There is literally nothing worth upgrading from a 3600 (without getting some AM5 motherboard)>Ryzen 7 5800X3D350 bucks for marginal better numbers? That's the best you can do?
>future proofing is le bad
>>7496935375800 is fine upgradeIf you can find non x version its best CPU for am465w TDP 8 core cpu with 95% performance of x version
>>749693615>futureYeah, about that...
>>749693660...Which one?
>>749693753Nvm, found it.
>>749693753just 5800, without anything
>>749693537What cooler should I use for a 5800X3D? Just a regular fan?
>>749693537>3600 to 5800X3D>marginal better numbersKEK poorfag cope.
>>7496936605800X3D is much better for games for am4, the fuck are you talking about?
>>749695516is it x2 times better than 5800 to justify the price?No?Gtfo
>>749693660this poster is retarded, the x3d vcache change is a very large upgrade over non x3d cpus. 5800x3d is a great cpu
>>749695516>>749695584stop samefaging retard, 5800 is best upgrade for him
>tfw bought a CPU online and the package arrived empty
Should I upgrade my 12600k? Not gonna change mono thoBecause I was thinking of getting a 5070, but from what I've read there isn't a substantial bottleneck at 1440p
Why shouldn't totally my friend get a Ryzen 9 7900X instead? It's cheaper than the 5800X3D here.
>>749693537Well yea, that's why they made a new socket.
>>749695885he needs to hammer it into am4 mobo
What are the chances the CPUpocalypse happens before black friday?
>>749693537>350 bucks for marginal better numbers?Much, MUCH better 1% lows, and the gap in performance is huge for games that have large open maps.
>>7496935375600X is cheap and insane
>>749696168Don't pin your hopes on black friday deals making hardware affordable.
>>749693537Just buy used anon. t.got a used 7600 and 4x8gb DDR5 ram. I never listen to waitfags. Because guess what prices are not going down anytime soon. >>7496962505600 is not enough for UE5 anon. Speaking as someone who upgraded.
>>749693537Dude I had a 3600, it was struggling even at 1080p and it wouldn't even play some games. My 5800X3D was probably the best idea I ever had.
>>749696354>5600 is not enough for UE5 ofc it is
>>749696395>My 5800X3D was probably the best idea I ever had.if you missspelled "worst" you are correctthat cpu is teenage Linustechtips watching kids with dads credit card CPU >muh 1% low>muh 4.2%better FPS in 1280x720 just no
The 5800x3d is a weird beast really. It either acts like a 7600 or goes full turbo god mode and shits on everything other than the new 8core+ x3d chips which makes it equally as challenging to recommend as an upgrade due to it being more expensive than other AM4 parts by a fair margin and be old but at the same time in this world of uncertainty and mental DDR5 prices if one is going in for the long haul it can be a very worthwhile upgrade.
>>749696535Hello CPU Pro, how is it hanging?
>>749696354>5600 is not enough for UE5 anonyou're fucking retarded then
>>749696535What would you have suggested for an AM4 socket upgrade then oh wise anon? The 3600 was a great CPU but it's simply not enough nowadays.
>>749696780Ryzen 5800 i told him in second post
>>749696354is your 5600 a real one and not a fake chink knockoff?
>>749696569Anyone considering a 5800x3d should ask themselves what kind of games they're playing, because the performance uplift of x3d is most prominent in games with big sprawling maps, the kind you'd see in an MMO, Multiplayer shooter, or open world RPG, which covers a huge swathe of genres, but not all of them. If all you play is corridor horror slop, pixelshit indie games, and highly optimized gachas, then you could get away with a non X3D AM4 cpu.
5800X3D cured my depression.
I'm gonna upgrade from a 3600 to a 5600x when I get paid. never replaced a cpu before though. shit is kind of spooky. had a hard enough time trying to replace the heatsink fan without feeling like I was going to break something
>>749697741I was scared too but you'll do fine anon. Take your time and have plenty of light to see what you're doing.
>>749693537>marginal better numbersThe X3D parts are way overpriced but if you think even an R5 5600 isn't a massive upgrade you're retarded and probably a delusional poorfag. 20% IPC improvement and higher clock speed make a meaningful difference. For the record I've had an R5 1600 (the original one, not the AF), R5 3600 and an R7 5700X.
>>749693537This is a retarded opinion. The 5800x3d is closer to the 9800x3d than the 3600 is to the 5800x3d. You simply could not be more wrong. You will get terrible 1% lows on the 3600 compared to its x3d companions. The 5800x3d doesn't bottleneck so in games its effectively as good as a 9800x3d.
>>749698224It's literally the best CPU for the AM4 socket. I guess there's the 5900X too. Either one would serve you well until AM6 when we get there.
>>749693537Planned obsolescence, you'll notice it after 3 years of medium use on any tech
Is this thread trolling? I jave never seen anyone recommend anything but x3d for gamingI literally doubled my fps in tarkov when switching from x to x3d>>749698467Are you retarded?
>>749698041moving from 1600 to 5600 was literally double the performance in renderingstraight up 2xif something took 10 minutes its took 5 on 5600
>>749697741>don't force anything>make sure the "arrow" is aligned with cpu socket>make a bigger grain of pea thermal paste on the cpu after installing in cpu socket>install heat sink etc. (don't forget to remove plastic protector under heat sing if it has any)Enjoy>extra tip: experiment with Fans in BIOS, it triggers me if cpu jumps dynamically like opening the web, window or other smaller tasks the fan ramps up faster/slower/faster/slower etc.Fix: I use very low rpm when its under 50% load always for silky smooth fan noise then gradually speeds up when its under heavy loads, 0 issues with temps and stability and system is dead silent
>>749699861he is going to rip out cpu together with cooler 100% if someone doesnt tell him to just run some cpu demanding shit for 10-15 minutes before he tries to remove cooler
>>749700063It will happen anyway because the AM4 lock is useless and any half decent paste will still be very sticky.
>>749700063yeah if he plans to use the same cooler, its good to heat it up with some stress benchamrk or something to warm it up, personally never had an issues to remove heat sink from "cold" cpu (I used only Arctic MX pastes)
>>749699861>>749700213I've never applied thermal paste on the cpus I've used, the heatsink always had some pre-applied on the bottom. Am I fucked?
>>749693537I went from a 3600x to a 5800X3D and it was one of the best choices I made so yes it is in fact worth it.
>>749700359its almost always fine, dont worry>aftermarket are betterthey are, if your cpu is overhearing its more likely cause of stock cooler than cause of paste
>3600 to 5800X3D>marginallol
>>749700063lol, I did this shit with my current cpu. Pretty sure I just popped it back in and it was fine.>>749700359If the cpu isn't overheating and the cpu fan isn't annoying you then you're fine.
>>749695040Doesn't really matter as long as it's at least a tower cooler. The 3D cache blanket is the cooling bottleneck.
>>749693537Coping poorfaggot, how about applying for a job instead of coping here.
>>749693537What even is the point of buying a new CPU? If something doesn't run well just lower the settings.
>>749697741Protip: run something cpu intensive (I dunno, occt will do) for say, 5 mins before you power down and swap the cpu. Reason is to get the 3600 nice and warm so the existing thermal paste isn't like glue and taking the cooler off doesn't rip the cpu right out of the socket.Also TWIST before you pull to help break the hold the thermal paste has.
>>749700889>get a job>no more time and energy to play vidyaWooooow
>>749695584It would only matters if Anon played CPU intensive games like city builders or heavy RTS with lots of troops, otherwise he's coming from a 3600, and he won't see many difference between a X3D version and a regular 5800.
>>749700781It is all AMD trash anyway. Any 12th gen onwards intel cpu runs rings around everything AM4.
>>749701043Buy an ad, userbenchmarks.
>>749701043Sure thing User benchmark guy.
>>749701039This is the video games board, not the movie games board.
>>749701141There are many games not CPU intensive that aren't movie games either.
>>749701043what
>>749701043>rusts>atomically deconstructs itself
>>749693537Yeah am5 motherboards are cheap but the ddr5 price right now is just ridiculous
7700X409064gigs of ram 1tb nvme
>>749701085>>749701108Here's benchmarks from a 'unbiased' site. Even then LGA1700 CPUs bench better.
>>749701043>post made by Intel employee from Tel Aviv
>>749701217>intel's best ties 9700x, a cpu no one gives a shit aboutbrvtal
>>749701290That was sensationalist hype spread by that fat retard wendell.
>>749701380i have bigger problems filling up 1tb of Nvme than i had to fill up 3x 20tb of datacenter seagatesGames i play take low space and programs i use are 100gb in total so filling up 60tb of 1990s euro porn was easier feat
>>749701217>a resolution that has no real-world use just to skew the numbersYup, AMD fanboi posting time!
On a side note, CPU nomenclature is a total unintuitive mess. Can't make any sense of it, besides X shit being more power hungry.
>>749701473>just ignore class action lawsuits goy
Here I am buying a used 3600...For my server > 9800X3D gang out
>>749701560It's not that difficult. The plain numbers are locked, X are unlocked for overclocking, some other lettering denotes it has an iGPU or not.
>>749701525want to talk about something that sees no real world use? ddr4 on 14th gen intel
>>749701403Why the fuck are you comparing the latest $600 Intel CPUs to $200-$300 AMD CPUs on architecture that's from 2016, and choosing to show productivity benchmarks?
>>749701624You mean the thing that never happened?
>>749701403>claims 12th gen is faster>Shows graph with 14th gen and 13th genAmazing.
>>749701043>>749701525>Dense butt hurt Intel fags are coping and seething!Kek!AMD > Intel.
>>749701403without counting in mobo prices and ignoring 7000x seriesyou intel fanboys are really special forces
>>749693676if anything future proofing is more important now than ever, you have no idea how bad it's gonna get
>>749701702class action takes a while, dumbass
>>749693537I put my 3600 back in my PC after I got AM4'd trying to swap my CPU cooler out and I ripped my 5800 clean from the socket and then some plastic for the retention shit broke on the motherboard. I think I'd be fine to slap it back in there since there were no bent pins and the 3600 has been working okay, but a part of me just wants to buy a new Mobo so I don't have to deal with any extra potential headaches in advance.
>>749701876>it totally happened!>no I can't prove it!uh-huh
>>749701687>>749701872Because that's what was asked? 12th gen Intel CPUs are better than anything you can get out of the AM4 socket.
ryzenfags conveniently ignore the 9800x3d's burning en masse>b-but its only asrock
>>749701926>ripped my 5800 clean from the socket...how? You can't even pick it up if it's locked in place. Did you ripped it because the thermal paste adhered too hard and pulled up the heatsink or what?
>>749701928it took 4 years for the bulldozer lawsuit to reach a resultyou have no idea what you're talking about
>>749702032
>>749702032>boards have retarded default settings>AMD is at fault
>>749702073You haven't even proven a case was brought against intel.
>>749702142>boards have retarded power limits set>intel is at fault
>>749701996You do realize there's only 3 12th gen CPUs in that graph you posted and they barely hold up against the 5900XT, right?
>>749702160https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/consumer-products/electronics/intel-class-action-claims-13th-14th-gen-processors-defective/took me 5 secondswhy are you this retarded?
>>749702051>Did you ripped it because the thermal paste adhered too hardYeah I was trying to get the old one off and I think I just let it sit too long before actually doing the cooler swap. I thought I had loosened it up enough and evidently I had not.
>>749702207intel is the one that chose the TDP for their chips, no?meanwhile with AMD you had board partners making the cpu push past what AMD set out
>>749701996i didnt ask that i still dont understand what are you comparing thereintel 13900 ksQ1'23FUCKING 150 to 253 WATTS of TDPWHATthat has 32 threads with 24 actual core compare to Ryzens 16/32 that work on 100wlike wtf are you even comparing here son
>>749696354in have a 5700x3d and not even that is enough for some UE5 sloppa games.
>>749702302intel is the one that chose the TDP for their chips, no?board manufacturers have traditionally set their own "enhanced" or "optimized" BIOS profiles by defaul. these vendor profiles often remove or greatly increase Intel's power limits (sometimes allowing unlimited wattage) to gain competitive performance benchmarks.>meanwhile with AMD you had board partners making the cpu push past what AMD set outso the exact same as board manufacturers setting retarded power limits.
>>749702207Intel's issue is that the CPUs oxidize due to a manufacturing problem made by Intel that they knew about and intentionally chose to ignore. It's something that literally can't be fixed. Meanwhile the AMD CPU issue was just SOME third party motherboards sending too much voltage to the CPU and it was fixed with BIOS updates.These two scenarios are not even close to being the same.
>>749702445>Meanwhile the AMD CPU issue was just SOME third party motherboards sending too much voltage to the CPU and it was fixed with BIOS updates.it's every board manufacturer and it hasn't been fixed with bios updates lol
>>749702283You need to slide the heatsink before pulling it up, Anon.
>>749702504>it's every board manufacturerNot true.>and it hasn't been fixed with bios updates lolNot true either.What do you gain from lying about something so stupid?
>>749702431lmaointel chose to give their cpus retarded voltages that ended up frying themthey had to literally downclock and undervolt that shit
>>749702445just like intel fixed the degradation with microcode updates? lol
>>749693537should have bought your 5700x3d when it was $130 on aliexpress like i did :)
Games aren't CPU-bound these days, little bro.
>>749702602Which board manufacturer did it not happen on?
>>749702324He started with the claim that 12th gen Intels are "Running rings around every AM4" and then proceeded to post a graph with barely any 12th gen Intel CPUs (proving they ran worse in the meantime lmao) and filled with the newer 13th and 14th gens.
>>749702758>Which board manufacturer did it not happen on?I thought you wrote "every board from every manufacturer" initially, my bad.
>>749702789i dont know what is he provinghe took AMD from 2020 and compared ti to stock not overclocked but electricity chugged monstrosity from 2023 that even has more physical cores than AMD and its still just 25% fasterwhile chuing 50% more powerdraw and having 50% more physical cores THREE YEARS LATER
>>749702789but the 12900ks did match or beat the 5800x3d in gaming, this isn't even talking about other benchmarks like single core or multicore workloads.
>>749702742*blocks your path*
>>749703030the 12900k also beat the 5950x in rendering
>>749702742they are if you choose to
I have a 5700X3D!
>>749703030>>749703110
>>749702742deadlock is a cpu-bound game
>>749703030do you understand what you are comparing12900 16 core 24 threads cput that have base TDP of 150W before boost that is set on 250Wto 58003xd 8 core/16 thread 105W TDP cpu Are you really well?
>>749703294It does not matter? The 12900k outperforms or matches the 5800X3D in gaming.
>>749693537The X3D chips are a major upgrade for some games. I got a 7800X3D, it rips through the most unoptimized dogshit like it's nothing.Also if you're seriously advocating being a waitfag in 2026 I don't know what to tell you. Yeah sure man, prices will definitely go down soon. I bought RAM at the same time as my CPU. I got it for $100. I thought wow, this is pretty expensive, maybe there's a better deal if I wait for black friday, eh screw it. Well it's fucking $600 now. The consumer market is in hospice right now. Sales are down on all PCs, consoles, and even phones, yet every company posts record profits. Consumer tech is fucking done for. This is the last dance. Buy whatever you need soon because it won't even exist in a few years.
>>749703294im also comparing the 12900k with the 16 core am4 flagship 5950x which you conveniently ignored
>>749703030>1.9% of performance differences in unknown testsTHAT'S "running rings around AM4" in your opinion?>>749703110>>749703153>specific "not vidya" scenariosHoly fucking shit end the cope already.
>>749701996lollemao
>>749703353>>749703419Linus tech tips need to be hang by his chink liking balls for completely brainfarting entire generationHOW ARE THEY COMPARABLE
my first gen ryzen mobo is still getting bios updatesintel fucking wishes
>>749693537The cpu gains might be marginal, but 5700/5800x3d are pretty much the only option that won't bottleneck a mid to high end card in recent years. I'm in a similar situation with a 3800x and just decided to ride it out until the next gen in '28 or '29. Maybe there'll be a game actually worth upgrading for by then.
>>749703487>techpowerup>randomyou can see the benchmarks yourself https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/15.html>THAT'S "running rings around AM4" in your opinion?considering the 5950x launched at an msrp of $800 with worse comparison compared to the $589 msrp of the 12900k, yeah it definitely ran rings around it.
>>749703679At 720p though? Got anything that's modern?
>>749703679>https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/15.htmlHow convenient to leave out your image all the other benches where the 5800 is performing the same as the 12900k.Also convenient to throw in the price, a metric that you didn't initially account for, to have any semblance of an argument.
>>749704148That's the only thing the Intel fanboy got right tho.You want to measure games at low res to compare CPU performances, since the CPU will have to process more textures for the GPU.
>>749704148hardware unboxed just had a heart attack from you posting thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy3w-VZyoiM
>>749704482>AMDunboxed
>>749693537I went from a 3600 to a 5500X3D because of the cache and it was cheaper than the other CPUs.
>>749704702I prefer them to AMD Nexus at least
>>749704840Who is next, TechPoweredbyAMDUp?
>>749704998AMDPowerUp
>>749703679Oh we're comparing MSRPs now? Then you'll have no problem comparing the 5800X3D (349$) to it, right? Why don't you post some screenshot from that same site, of other measured games where the 5800X3D demolishes the 12900K?
>>749693537This but it's the 5000 series.
>>749701560For what it's worth the desktop line of processor is the easiest to read since both CPU maker follow the similar set of rules for naming convention. Now if you look at the mobile processor things start to get messy.
>>749701560>>749705601>Niggas don't know about MCUs nomenclatureBelieve me it could've been WAY worse.
>>749693537>mfw got in on the 7800x3d at launch>also 4090 at launch>128gb DDR5 as wellheh, nothing personal kid.
>>749702742Every now and again they are.
>>749705872wtf marvel
>>749706315clearly fake
>>749698467The 5700x is the sweet spot of AM4 processors
>>749701560AMD isn't that hard actually.>if it has a G it's focused on low-end with an iGPU>if it has X3D it has a fuckload of L3 cache>if it has X it's a better version of the equivalent number without a XF, S, U, T, H and whatever else are like re-releases of the same number CPU that you have to look up individually to know what to expect.
>>749706690AMD's mobile chip naming scheme is pure madness though.
>>749706690>>if it has X it's a better version of the equivalent number without a Xeven then, not by much. as I recall pretty much every Ryzen can be OC'd but the mobo needs to be a mid-range or better.
>>749693537>marginal better numbersnegro, you are high
>>749707157While for AM4 it is hit-and-miss depending on the chipset for AM5 EVER mobo must be able to handle the 200w+ cpus (which was a serious factor into the high cost of mobos when AM5 first released) so fancy motherboards don't really offer anything extra for overclocking, at least for the cpu itself.
>>749707157Every basic mobo can overclock every AM4 CPU as far as I know, it's just the extreme budget ones that can't (chipsets A320 and A520).
>>749702574I'm pretty sure I did that too before pulling up, but I may just not have slid it enough knowing myself.
>>749702742They kind of are actuallyShader decompiling is important now
>>749693537A 5600 is already a nice upgrade in a lot of cases and is relatively cheap. My local Micro Center somehow has a shitload of 5600X3Ds in stock for $180, which isn't bad considering it's $130 cheaper than the 5800X3D and performs in the same ballpark. 5700X3D is long gone though and I'll always regret not buying one when they were available for dirt cheap on AliExpress
>>749700180You run something demanding for a few minutes, then twist as you remove whatever cooler.
Old pc>5700x3d>rtx 2070(not super)New pc>9800x3d>5070 TIYeah its a huge jump but holy shit my old pc is still a beast.Mainly thanks to dlss high performance.So glad i didn't listen to /v/ and got the 2070 over a 1080
My 5700x3d gives like 50% more frame from 3600. I got it before blackwell cards at $200 tho. Kind of wished I also grabbed more ram at the time but 3600 mhz rams were rare for some reason
>>749709952Oh and for anons that don't have them yetGet yourself a good wireless headsetYou will never go back to wired once you use themDon't listen to /v/ poorfags Same with wireless mice
>>749710185how good we talkingI'm a 2.1 speaker chad
>>749710259I got the steelseries arctis nova 7Never had any issues. Has a seperate dial that changes the mix between two channels. So you can lower your game to hewr your friends or a video etcShit is amazingAnd audio quality is among the best headsets i have used
>wanted to upgrade to ryzen cpu>need special installation to run in windows7>resource monitor is broken when using ryzen>all resource monitor alternatives look like aberrant malformed apps>get anxiety when feeling the system consume resources for goy cattle telemetry and slowing down for ms>explorer.exe still is a piece of shit in w11https://youtu.be/Ps5C6yk4uUk
>>749695040Whatever 35ish dollar cooler Thermalright is making these days.
>>7496937535700X is 5800 non-x
>>749693537The advantage of an X3D cpu is not just the cpu performance itself, but also that all that extra cache makes performance significantly less sensitive to bad RAM timings. Being able to use any shitty stick you can find for a less money without it hurting performance much is an obvious advantage these days.
>>749712140I bought some random 2666 sticks for my brother's skylake+++ system and they overclocked to 3600 with 0 effort
I would've made an AM5 rig if it wasn't for the retarded ram prices.
>>749693537i upgraded from a gtx 1070 i7-7700 to a 9070xt 9800x3d im happy i did before prices turned insane
>>749703128I saw these on sale for 150. Really wish I pulled the trigger.
The 10k X3D chips will be here next year. Drop in replacement for AM5. Seems like it will be a good upgrade for the 7800x3D.
