No game's failure has given me more sadness. I can dismiss SH2, MGS3, etc slopmakes. But FF7 was much more near and dear to me, and a remak series with real tiem combat could have been amazing.Rebirth specifically seems to have utterly killed anyone's interest in the FF7 remake series and the FF7 universe in general. Good going Square.
>>749698327I even want to go so far as to say ti's designed as an anti-fun game. An Anti-game. It's like a checklist of all the wrost parts of AAA games rolled into one. Good grief.
Worst character and worst gameplay mechanic in your path.
Why is Elena even a Turk, anyway? She has zero professionalism, she's constantly complaining, and the second it seems like she might actually die, she's on the verge of pissing herself. >"W-Wait a second, you mean this extremely dangerous mission with a high chance of death has a high chance of death?! I didn't sign up for this!"
>>749698914>>749698914>Why is Elena even a Turk, anyway? She has zero professionalism, she's constantly complaining, and the second it seems like she might actually die, she's on the verge of pissing herself.You're confusing Elena (Remake series) for Elena (FF7 character). In remake series, everyone's personality is cranked up to 100, and everything is played purely for laughs. In the original, she is the source of a few gags, but it's nowhere to the extreme level of Rebirth. Also, she's superhumanly strong just inexperienced compared to the rest. Yuffie and Elena becoem teh go to comedy slapstick characters and I hate it.
Its like remaking a james bond movie into an austin powers movie.
That's how most people felt OP.
>>749699602Oh thanks, that's a nice way to put it. It's just wall to wall humor, slapstick, dance numbers, Celine Dion style song, or other nonsense. It's utterly baffling. It has this Disney tone to everything. Oh and the entire world is a theme park and tourist trap, so there's always these tourists wandering about wearing Gap clothing.
>>749698327Good. All FF7 needed was HD and maybe alternative models (even though the legos are iconic).It never needed to be ubisoft/sony open world bad pacing slop.
>>749700348>>749700348>It never needed to be ubisoft/sony open world bad pacing slop.The open world is DREADFUL and mostly kills pacing. its' vile and the game's biggest sin.
>>749698327I agree with you, 100%.Sadly, I also cared dearly for the SH, MGS, and many other older classic franchises, that have been butchered beyond recognition by the modern-day DE-makes the past few years.The fact that there's also shittons of new players, who honestly thought they'd get to play THE greatest JRPG of all time, with just a new coat of paint ... only for them to land on some of the cringiest, fugliest, and outright unfinished fan-fic sludge imaginable, must feel painful.>>749700348The PC port of the 1997 game, with the ReMako + NiNo-Style mods is all you need for a true HD remaster.
>>749701005Those were outsourced remakes by third parties with modest to low budgets so you KNEW what you were getting. FF7 Remake series is high budget, and handled in-house by FF7 staff, many key figures also worked on the original. The pieces are there. Story and cutscenes are laughable embarrasing, and the gameplay is sludge that is actively anti-fun. Just such a complete disaster. Even the people who liked FF7 Remake were turned off by Rebirth.
>Walt Disney does battle with an FBI agent attempting to capture Osama bin Laden As I said, everything is dialed up to 100. So Dio was nominally an ally in FF7, but here he is outright directly assisting your escape in a totally illogical manner. Gold Saucer is a Shinra financed project, and he's nominally under their command even if the place has a lot of autonomy.
It literally hurts my soul.
tranny thread
>>749703053Trannies are 10x more likely to like FF7 remake series.
>>749701840kek at dio placing his nutsack right in barret's face as he's grieving
>>749698914Forced "diversity" it seemsWhy couldn't it just be Rude and Reno like the first game? Nah, Reno "needs a nap" or some stupid shit
>>749698327What modern jrpgs do you like?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TivFFFq8Zy4
>>749698327Rebirth is the only good Final Fantasy game in the last 20 years. What are you talking about?
>>749703583Japan is sadly obsessive about seiyu, and Reno’s voice actor died after Ff7Remake. They will literally bench characters if the goice actor dies.
>>749698327>failed so badly SE has already said there will be more games set in the 7 universe and the remakes are now the blueprint for the future of the franchise in generalYou lost
>>749700724I like open world games, and don't mind doing checklist stuff like towers, etc but this game just went mad with the repetition>oh you beat those summon fights? ok, now beat 2 summon bosses at the same time!>oh you beat those hard bosses? ok, now beat 5 of them in a row without dying!>oh you beat 4 rounds of fort condor/gears and gambits/catuar crush? ok, now beat another 4 rounds of each with even more brutal restrictions!
>>749703690>Rebirth is the only good Final Fantasy game in the last 20 years. What are you talking about?You need to be sent to a lab and studied. wtf are you on about?
>>749703732I didn't hear about him dying, the excuse they gave in the game for Elena replacing Reno was virtually non-existent
>>749704624Correct. It's a very silly very stupid concept where Japanse voice acting bleeds into the actual game design. Absolutely abhor it.
>>749698327The combat is the least of the remake trash heap's problems.
>>749701840I like how this retarded anime bullshit immediately follows Dyne's emotional death scene, and his fresh corpse is still in frame for most of it. It's a nice microcosm of the remake's tonal inconsistency.
>>749699706>That's how most people felt OP.It's because it brings me great sadness. It could have been great. It could have been a revival of Final Fantasy. You just know that FF7 is going to be buried dead and good after this. Am I even going to slog it through Part 3? These games are anti-fun.
>>749704958It's not accidental. The game is utterly terrified of sad scenes or actual stakes. It can't write out Dyne's death outright, so it does everything to undermine the pathos and sadness of the sequence with its anime disney spectacle nonsense. The game absolutely HATES being FF7, and instead wants to be a fun happy go lucky fun tourist world full of theme parks. This is all deliberately planned and executed. The FF7 cast and setting are popular, but they wanted to strip out the actual atmosphere, tone, and tragedy from the story.
Cloud = meAerith = my faith in Final Fantasy
yeah there will never be another gaming disappointment even 1% as tragic as this fucking demake trilogy. the original is my favorite game ever, I waited DECADES for this, it was my holy grail and white whale, and then we got... this. Damn near a worst case scenario remake. the only praise I can give it is the visual direction. and even then they fucked up the most important part of that too (tifa). It doesnt hurt just because the games are a fucking disgrace, what really hurts is the actually good remake I'll never get to play.
what are the chances part 3 is actually good and redeems the series? what would they have to do in order for (You) to feel that way?
>>749705313I'm wondering if Sakaguchi is needed to keep the creatives under control? Nomura is obviously a homosexual, and his homosexuality seeps into the story. Motomu Toriyama is the director of X2 and presumably the source of all the dance numbers and songs. It feels like at times someone gave 200 million dollars to a bunch of theater kids and told them to go wild. Meanwhile, the staff seems to just not like FF7, and instead want to make Kingdom Hearts, FFX, FFX2, or anything else INSTEAD. X2 was the exact moment I initially ducked out of the Final Fantasy series for like 20 years. FF7 rebirth series reeled me back in only for it to go full X2. Fuck I hate dance numbers and girly bullshit. >>749705450Same director as Part 2: Naoki Hamaguchi who is at least half of Rebirth's problems. Nomura is at least a competent director, and Hamaguchi is an idiot. The open world and slop is the other half of the problems, and Part 3 is more slop, more filler, more open world.
>>749705450>what would they have to do in order for (You) to feel that way?1. Remove the 3D open world levels. 2. Instead you go to the bridge of the highwind and just tap a map and you are dropped off at key locations. 3. Dress spheres are removed. 4. Stagger system removed. 5. Dungeons are not teal-blue-green lit.6. All cast members have a 3 hit combo default, slow deliberate movements, rather than spamming attacks. 7. Chadley was strangled off screen and his body flayed 8. Materia is found in the world space Literally anti-rebirth so they won't do it. Hamaguchi is a moron and thinks he made a great game with Rebirth.
>>749705450Tooate we are getting more Open World, more Chadley, more pointless minigames
>>749705597my cope is that disc 3 of ffvii is actually open world/optional stuff already and on paper there's a lot of kino stuff for them to put in the game so maybe it will feel more like playing the real ffvii than rebirth didits pure cope and Im 99% sure they will find a way to make it all boring and cringe
>>749698327Breaking a game into 3 parts and releasing them years apart is just a bad idea in general. Starcraft 2 tried that and look how it went
>>749705747>>749705450We're getting more Cait Sith and Yuffie too, two minor side characters who are front and center for the Remake series. I swear to god, they got more lines than Barret did in Rebirth. Cait Sith is your fucking Tour Guide on your holiday through theme parks, explaining every location and never not talking. Yuffie is your team's cheerleader singing her own theme song. If you could DO something with this, I could roll with it. Having a full romance and dating system where you could just Date Yuffie is something I could get on board wtih, as it'd change the story and you could have different endings.
>>749704975I don't know about hin but I'm not suffering through more of this shitLife is too short
at least we got some of the greatest r34 ever made out of it.
>>749705812The break-up and timing is terrrible too. So far we have only gone through FF7 Disc 1. 1 disc out of 3. I know Disc 3 is mostly just the end-dungeon and cutscenes, but Disc 2 is pretty big. Sepiroth's summoning of meteor is a much more logical place to put the end of FF7. Game 2 would start with Tifa-chan waking up in Junon and the world is changed. I think FF7 could work as a duology. They could even throw in Part 3 as a new story.
Do they not know that boys hate dance numbers and musicals? Even as a kid I hated Disney and thought it was gay and faggy. I liked Transformers and He-man. Cool shit with guys with swords.
>>749705237 Literally bollywood tier editing.
Remake doesn't have Chadley. Remake is "mostly" just the Midgar portion of Final Fantasy VII with a bunch of bloat added to turn the 8 hour experience of Midgar into a 40 hour experience.Rebirth is an even more bloated open world meme Ubisoft tower game where Chadley serves the purpose of a sort of checklist quest hub. Every time you want to scan some rocks, Chadley's your guy, and if you don't want to scan some rocks then you don't enjoy Final Fantasy VII.
>>749699496I liked her better in OG for sure. She had the "new kouhai" archetype thing going. A little cocky sometimes, but also clumsy and deferential.Nu Elena is just a fucking annoying bitch with no redeemable traits.
>>749705952I only really cared for Madam M
>>749706874>"new kouhai"konichiwa
It gives me spiritual sadness, since all the elements are there, you get brief glimses of brillance too. Whenever the game uses the old score, or adapts a scene 1:1, the game just pops and it hits. But it's buried under a mountain of filler and badly written and directed scenes.
>>749708189It's an archetype, anon. Don't be autistic.
>>749709662Dont’t temp me.
>>749705450>what are the chances part 3 is actually good and redeems the series? what would they have to do in order for (You) to feel that way?They'd ahve to remove the director, admit they screwed up and change their entire design philosophy for 3. Not happening.
>>749698405Before playing the game I would have called that image shitpost but I'm on chp 6, it is 100% on point.I'm dropping that game because I'm not having fun
>>749711118>I'm dropping that game because I'm not having funThis is actually a very common opinion, to the point I'd almost call it the default position of a lot of people. It's pretty scary how completely unfun it is, and how they made an "anti-game". You really want to keep pushing because it's Tifa, Barret, Cloud, Aerith, but man it sucks. Even if you go "oh neat, Tifa is over there. I should go talk to her". And you do and it's fucking nothing. She has nothing interesting to say because it's filler, you're in filler zone, and doing filler things. It's filler piled upon filler. And it all cost like 200 million dollars.
The most amazing part is how they managed to lose people that were ok with Remake's ending and general crap, which made me check out way sooner. At that point I thought these people would eat up anything served but apparently Rebirth alienated a big fraction of those too.
>>749698327Both 7R games have been consistently sitting in the top 5 and 10 on all storefronts across all platforms this year. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings, but you should try to stay a bit grounded.
>>749711271It's because the core gameplay loop is an utter chore and unfun. I think they should scientifically study how unfun FF7 Rebirth is because it's almost scientifically designed to be an unfun experience. The metaphor I'd use is wading through a waist high swamp.You technically are making slow progress but it's slow and it takes forever.
>>749711327>Square has refused to release sales numbers after 2 years >>749711118You're not alone. Every Rebirth thread has people saying they dropped the game, and if that's /v/ (who has more patience than most), it means a decent percentage just dropped the game out of frustration. That would be utterly unthinkable in 1997. That if you told them that there's gonna be a big budget remake of the game, and people get bored and give up on it.
>>749711271lol I think SE thought the same thing. "These people will eat up any slop". But nope ,even they have limits.
They should release a version or patch that rewards you with materia at the end of each chapter as if you've 100% all sidequest filler and call it easy mode or whatever idc. It won't fix much but it might allow you to chain the story beats better.
>>749711271>The most amazing part is how they managed to lose people that were ok with Remake's ending and general crap, which made me check out way sooner. At that point I thought these people would eat up anything served but apparently Rebirth alienated a big fraction of those too.The exact moment I checked out was the fate ghosts ("whispers"). It was jaw on floor level of "what the fuck?". Not in a cool way, more in a "Ocelot starts talking like Liquid because he got his body posessed by a ghost arm" moment in MGS2, where I knew the plot was gonna go off the rails. I was looking forward to Reno's introduction scene, since it's a great little segment but instead the whispers dominate the segment and ruin it. Every scene that they're in, they dominate and I honestly kept trying to pretend they weren't in the plot. Whispers are so meta, so stupid, and probably the worst thing SE has done in tehir entire career.
>>749698327It makes me happy that you shit taste retards dont get to enjoy Squares only good jrpgs in a decade
>>749711808In every thread there's an equal amount of people who say they liked the game as outright dropped it. Those are dreadful numbers. Genuine Rebirth fans seem to be a total minority, and the sales figures show it. Games sell a lot based on word of mouth and the word of mouth is "skip it".
I dunno about you guys but I'm kind of excited about part 3. I never bought the games but I liked the original enough back in the day. Watching the shitfest of a story unfold is like watching a really bad series that for some reason you can't take your eyes off of and I want to see how it ends while eating popcorn.
>>749711965Not only that but a whole lot of people bought FF7 on hype and high expectations and were let down. Those people didn't return for part 2. People who complain on imageboards are a minority, most people just move on quietly. Squeenix understandably sleep walked into this mess, not knowing how poorly received 7R was, but now they know so if R3 doesn't fix anything, they only have themselves to blame.
>>749701840They made him look like fucking Mr. Satan.
>>749712278It is too late and R3 is way too late in development. All signs point to more slop, more chadley, more mini-games. Fucking dress spehres is unfortiveable.
>>7497122787R's walk and talk sections are a moodkiller, that's where the majority of the people checks out.
>>749709662Youre asking a lot for a weeaboo image board.
>>749712203I can because it is not that interesting and most of the new shot is whispers, sephy taunting cloud, and the same bombastic shit.
>>749712619>7R's walk and talk sections are a moodkiller, that's where the majority of the people checks out.Yeah, i noticed. They utterly kill the pacing, and nothing interesting is ever said. The entire team also moves at a glacial pace and never act like there's any sense of urgency. Original had them always on the tail of Sephiroth as he moves through the lands, desperate to get close and find answers.
man Im playing through part 1 right now and its like 50/50 awesome/cringe ratio. a lot of padding but thankfully you can skip a lot of it. was hoping part 2 would be better but this thread has basically killed any hope I had lmao
>>749713510Oh boy. FF7 Remake feels like a master piece compared to Rebirth. You can already just watch the dance and musical numbers (there are several of them). Oh and Yuffie and Cait Sith are central characters rather than side characters who steal most of the limelight. But the main issues are bloat, padding, dreadful mini-games, and laborious open world sections which make up the majority of the game.
when the final part is out will they do a compilation edition so I can purchase the entire game once?I'm not in a rush, and I'm sure it'll be $5 in no time
