JUST DIE ALREADYTHIS SERIES DID NOT NEED A BOWSER
>>749700913The funny part is that it isn't even him. Sigma died at the beginning of X1 and since then was being skinwalkered by a virus Doctor Wily made back when the worst thing unleashing it would do was cause some refrigerators to malfunction.
>>749700913Agreed. Lumine should be the final boss of every MMX game. And also every game, period
>>749700913He already died in X8 and they kept him dead in the next game in the timeline, Command Mission.
>>749700913>A BOWSER>not a Dr. Wily>>749701187>worst thing unleashing it would do was cause some refrigerators to malfunction.too soon
>>749701274He should but only with him transformed into a different female reploid each game and you have to fuck him (her) to win
>>749702457Why would he ever downgrade himself by giving himself a pussy?
>>749701651Why are there video games in her canon fat reserves?
>>749700913do you think NES era mega man fans ever said this about wily?
>>749700913because they killed off Gate too early and also had him bring back Sigma as an epic prank that goes wrong
>>749702661As a current-era Classic fan I'm not opposed to Wily being involved every time, but we don't need the whole Wily Machine + Wily Capsule routine just because it's tradition, it's gotten pretty stale
>>749701187But that's fucking wrong. All Wily's virus did was make him stop holding back about telling humans to fuck off.
>>749701651>Layer>MMZ ZeroDo Zerofags really?
>>749703064It's not them it's her.
>>749700913He's a warning about:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4
>>749702512Every boss needs a weakness.
>has the power to come back from the dead>refuses to resurrect his dogthe monster
>>749703360>wanting to see your pet suffer and die again instead of letting them enjoy peace in deathyou are evil
>>749703360He is the dog (wolf)
>>749702512It's a perfect trap (heh), he was defeating human and reploid men nonstop with it.
>BAROOOOOOO!>*BLBLBLBLBLBLING AS HEALTH BAR FILLS UP*How do you respond without sound mad?
>>749703918maverick hands typed this post
>>749702718Just a social experiment bro
>>749704031HADOUKEN
>>749702661The only time it was really egregious imo was MM6, otherwise classic is silly enough that I'm ok with Wily always being the bad guy. X tried to take the story in a more serious direction and Sigma always being the final boss feels unnecessary.
>>749702718He did it for the Vine.
>>749703918And since all this was enabled by the virus, and since Zero outlived X, Wily wins. The ZXA villains win too since by the time legends happens the world is flooded like one of them wanted.
>>749703918It's funny how the later games show that early game main villains won in the end
>>749703064Yes, they do.
>>749704189OH N-
>>749704031Hadoken
>>749704031
>>749704334>And since all this was enabled by the virus, and since Zero outlived X, Wily wins.That doesn't even happen in the X timeline.
>>749700913He looks like the type of character the rock would want to play in a movie so he can hijack the franchise and become the main character while the actual protagonist gets sidelined.
>>749704031With a newspaper to the face
>>749702895I think it's the placement. Bowser's a great example: his plots are boring and he's a tired final boss, but there's RPGs where he isn't the main villain and he's fucking amazing. He's so good at randomly busting in to pick fights, muddy the waters, and join the heroes or villains on a whim.MM could mix things up like that. Wily's opportunistic character and his machines are fun, but there's no mystery to him. Sunstar doesn't have much personality or story presence but he's so cool just for not being Wily again
>>749704031>madFuck that I'm laughingVelguarder's howl is a strong contender for the funniest sound effect in any megaman game
>>749703918Megaman lore is pretty based, Nintendo could never
>>749704980You're seriously complaining about it not working on the final boss's final form when it one-shots like 14 other fights?
>>749704551Based proper aspect ratio chad
It's time for your mandated centennial purge!
>>749704968>>749705220Mario is a platformer first, action game second. Enemies are mostly obstacles. Most bosses are forgettable and lame. Same for Sonic, Donkey Kong, etc. Mega Man is an action game first and platformer second. Bosses are a bigger part of your experience so you expect more out of them. But more importantly, the series always give you a little hope that it's focusing more on the plot this time, that maybe they're gonna advance the status quo, something about it feels like the plot matters more than your average mascot platformer. So you get disappointed when it doesn't happen. Meanwhile, you already know for sure the next Mario game is gonna have Bowser as a villain, you already made your peace with it and never expected a good plot out of it either.
>>749705337Sorry, but i do need these carbons to make contracts and push the entropy back.Your plans will now be halted by this magical boy.
>>749704031Now try fighting two of these assholes at the same time.
>>749705693I did. Regenesis was super fun. I rank it up there with X1.
>>749705580Who's the Homura of Legends?
>>749705759>>749705693>trying to beat double Velgaurder on veteran mode>make it to old man sigma>he one shots me
>>749705807Mega Man Volnutt himself, given how serious he takes it (and the massive arsenal of weapons)
>>749706059Upper cut and dive kick.
>>749702936Sigma is weird, he's basically a sentient computer virus piloting a hollow robot shell, this was established all the way back in X1. No other reploid is like this.Future games would vaguely imply Zero's virus made him like this but there's no real explanation for why no other maverick was affected this way.
>>749706289They just needed a new villaim for the X series, since Willy was long death. Simple as.
sigma a sigma
>>749706289Lumine might be like this but we'll never know. Watch it turn out that the Lumine in Axl is just a trojan horse Sigma and the Lumine coloring in ??? is just a red herring.
>>749702895I like Wily Machines. but I fucking hate wily Capsules.
>>749706646A fair point. I miss Gamma.
>>749706585It's been so many years, surely there's hentai about Zero Virus that makes women have bigger boobs & asses right?And also turning male into female?
>>749706585There are scientific and logistical reasons that she needs to look like this
>>749706289I'm pretty sure the "cyber elves" are made out of the same shit as sigma.
>>749703360>speed>spiky design>same hollow eyes>purple>second form is a giant head dropping spikes the whole time>dying words are "Master, avenge me!"Agile WAS the dog, reborn as a humanoid.
>>749706817They're not. The Mother Elf on the other hand is the Zero Virus reverse engineered. It's never elaborated upon what Cyber Elves are made up of other than being energy bodies.
>>749706771She's the peaceful half, and if everybody got laid, there would be eternal peace.
>>749706817>>749706908Cyber elves were made from studying Zero's brain
>>749706817>>749706908The Mother Elf was basically created to be a maverick vaccine, so it tracks that the cyber elves are beings akin to the nightmare virus.
sigma balls
>>749707657isn't it sugma balls?
>>749707657Who is Dr. Cain?
>>749707576The Nightmare Virus is just the Zero Virus that was made so potent that it became physical and capable of fucking with reality ie Nightmare Phenomenon.
>>749703360MMX7 actually has enemies that are clearly just his dog in the final stage, so he did do it a grand total of once.>>749706289Pretty sure the games imply its just because he was the "greatest and first reploid", meaning the virus couldn't fully overcome his systems without merging with him. I feel like this was mentioned at some point.
>>749707884That's my point, if you think of cyber elves as vaccines, it makes sense they'd be able to physically manifest like the virus can.
>>749708201The issue is that not all cyber elves are vaccines.
>>749701187Even in classic, it would be really dangerous, see the evil energy or the robot covid.
who tf is sugma
>>749708406They're derived from the mother elf, who is a vaccine.
>>749708590ok anon, darling i'll take your bait so you can be happy, ok?"who is sugma" "sugma balls, haha!". There, now be well, darling.
>>749708598X isn't derived from the Mother Elf.
>>749706289It is because of the virus being a retcon for X2
>>749707657You can't just say "sigma balls."
>>749700913Why not? An unstoppable computer virus that can hop from dummy body to dummy body and never truly be destroyed is basically the ideal villain for a robot and tech focused platformer series. Plus he has a great design
>>749708139>brings back the opening stage highway>brings back end level dogYOOOOOO X7 IS BASICALLY JUST AS GOOD AS X1 BROS
>>749708685Ever since x4/xtreme 2, reployds developed artificial souls capable of interacting with the physical world.
>>749709016>opening stage highway>Zero 4, ZX and ZXA.Strange how they kept redoing it.
>>749707884>literally forgetting the Zero virus was already fucking with reality
>>749709108It's literally the same highway iirc, going by design and Zero's dialogue.
>>749706998>She's the peaceful half>goes to kill someone
>>749706998>>749709202Peace means "no humans"
>>749709193I wonder if they would re-do it for the canceled ZXC
>>749710061ZXC's would be a retread of Noah Park
>>749709108it is our green hill zone
Since Mega Man has had something of a resurgence in the past decade - and especially the last few years - do you think Capcom might actually make a new X game? Or shit, anything other than Classic?
>>749711316That would be nice, but I doubt it. I'm not even sure what you mean by Mega Man is having a "resurgence." Things seem pretty grim for the blue bomber. Capcom seems perfectly comfortable to release about one game per decade, and when they do, it's just another Classic title. So no, I wouldn't get my hopes up for a new X game or any other kind of Mega Man game for that matter
>>749711316Considering the remake craze, I'd bet on another MMX reboot more than an actual new X game.
>>749711316they've done stuff with the X series lately so probably
>>749706871interesting theory
>>749711316How many fucking times are we going to have this conversation
>>749712303Every day until you like it
>>749711316>and especially the last few yearsThe only thing that actually happened was that they finally ran out of non-verboten game collections to resell.
>>749713385It's pretty funny how they let their personal feelings stop themselves from rereleasing a few kusos
>>749705693They're not that hard once you figure out they have a very stupid and simple pattern. Old Sigma on the other hand fucking sucks. He is not a fun fight.Also, Regenesis sucks. Yes, I beat it on Veteran. Buster only because the weapons suck.
>>749713385>finally ran out of non-verboten game collections>legendslel
Capcom will release a bunch of collections of the spinoffs like X-Treme and Soccer before they even look at Legends
>>749713939>xtremelollmao
>>749700913Because he's the only one who can keep pace with X and Zero.X has infinite potential. He gets stronger without limit.Zero is already the strongest, but his brain damage put a cap on his specs. The more he fights, the more he raises his cap.Both of them are basically godly precursor machines, created by a pair of unparalleled geniuses that no one could even hope to compare to.The only one who can keep up with them is Sigma. Why? Because his "soul" merged with an energy virus. Sigma is unbound by physical limitations. He can always have the absolute strongest, most advanced body that the current level of technology has to offer. That's what all his forms are. Sigma always represents the pinnacle of Reploid technology in the current year. Combine that with the fact that he retains all his memories of every defeat. He's always learning, getting smarter. The more he comes back, the better prepared he can be for the next go around. Only with these traits can you put up a fight against X and Zero.Ultimately, the problem lies with X and Zero. Because they're practically alien tech centuries ahead of the rest, you basically HAVE to be an undying energy lifeform to stand a chance against them.
>>749713997X-Treme was immemsely kino back when it released, especially 2. Wish they had more original stuff instead though.
>>749713939megaman sports mix when?
>>749700913Its either Sigma, or we get something like the mobile game with Via. AKA blue Zero
>>749714027The real problem is that the Playstation era went global instead of regional/local
>>749714256a battle schizo could be good. especially someone you once knew. wish he actually went evil instead of using the virus to be extra horny
>>749714027>practically alien techAnd then there's this maverick
>>749714660Dragoon was our battle schizo
>>749715525oh yeah he did destroy some skyscrapers to get zero to 1 v 1 at a volcano
ZX3 would have had Model Sigma final boss...
>>749711316>new X gameHow? People new to the series aren't gonna like the idea of buying a new game with 9 in the title when it appears from the outside to have a ton of lore. A lot of people are gonna think they need to play all the classic and X games first. Capcom could do a soft reboot, but that's not gonna satisfy the oldfags who want to know what happens after X8. They could do a true reboot but then we get into Star Fox territory since we already had Maverick Hunter X. Then there's the gameplay, Dual Override already appears to be taking a few things from X, it's hard to justify in this day and age selling X as a different series at full price or near full price. They could try something new like an FPS or 3rd person shooter, but old fans would just be mad.
>>749715569Boys will be boys
>>749715617Realistically you could do a sequel to x8 while introducing most lore details; thats what most X games already did.People at this point tend to forget but most of the X games barely connect outside of a few cases where they link to the game right next to them.Also the number thing is basically purely unproven conjecture on these game companies end, and doesn't relate to the idea of making sequels entirely; just that the number in the title is bad. Nothing is stopping them from making "Megaman X - New Age Virus" or whatever the fuck as x9.Even if X9 wasn't the obvious "Sigma resurrects from the virus Lumine shot out" and the virus was considered a separate thing, you only need a very brief mention of the new age reploids.
>>749715859See, I think it's more likely that the devs are just gonna throw out everything and start fresh. The previous team left them with a shitty cliffhanger that they don't want to deal with, and they'll just decide "You know what? I don't care. X8 didn't even do that good. The bosses aren't gonna make us continue that plotline so we're just not going to."
>>749716042More than likely yeah, just saying that if they "wanted to" X9 isn't really that restrictive. People overhype command mission when in reality that was just running with the same restrictions Xtreme did.X was the face of the gacha game for good reason though so they do have incentive to bring back X, now whether or not they do eh. X legitimately was the face of megaman for awhile and his popularity has stuck around.
>>749715569He destroyed a city, and caused a war.>>749715608Serpent was already the Sigma analog.
>>749716536Pretty sure Colonel started the war when he refused to stand down
>>749715617>How?Same way they're doing MM12
>>749716574The general perception from outside is that the classic series is like Mario or Sonic. It might have lore but no one cares, Wily is trying to take over the world and Mega Man has to stop him. I think the general perception from outside about the X series is that it, alongside the Zero and ZX series, has a lot of dialogue, anime cutscenes and lore, and therefore it's something for hardcore fans and autists. Even though at its core it's the same thing as classic but with Sigma instead of Wily
>>749716536>He destroyed a cityNo, you're thinking of Jet Stingray. Magma Dragoon betrayed the irregular hunters and hid himself inside a volcano
>>749716574By making a new game with the same graphics that were dated ten years ago? Bold strategy.
>>749716739Because the classic series pretty much is? Capcom screwed up by making so many dystopic spin-offs set in the classic time-line.
>>749716961Ok now tell me what the backdrop of the Eregion fight is supposed to be
>>749715617Make a Maverick Hunter X2 using the assets from X Dive. And if it sells well then make X9.
>>749717102>1...2...9!3, sir.
>>749716739Another thing I just thought about. Why make a new X game in the first place? Classic makes sense. The Mega Man IP as a whole is iconic. It sells merch, participates in crossovers, Capcom is very interested in never letting it die completely. But a single classic game every now and then is enough to keep it alive. I don't see a world where a new X game that plays like the old games would sell as much as a new classic game, considering the broader appeal of the classic series. Releasing both an X game and a classic game close to each other also seems like a waste of effort, those devs could have been working on the far more profitable RE and MH franchises instead. It would also start accusations of flooding the market with similar games, which they heard often enough in the 90s. Seems to me like a lot of work just to please a shrinking demographic of fans of a subseries that died 20 years ago.
>>749717458Yes but, an Maverick Hunter X2 could be a good way to see just how much people really want the X series back. It can be one of there infamous Capcom Test that they love to do so often. Make a relatively cheap but fun remake of a game, then go all in on an X9 on the RE engine if it sells well. Not that crazy of an idea.
>Maverick Hunter X2.I wonder who would be the second player character.
>>749717570I mean sure if Xdive didn't work.
I think the reason they're not making X9 is because, despite its differences, X has a ton of overlap with Classic and they don't want their own IPs to compete with each other.
>>749717618Well that and Capcom is no stranger to doing things like that such as RE4 then 9
>>749718246There actually was going to be an X9 before Inafune conducted his bullshit so there really isn't much of an overlap.
>>749717707Starts out with Serges ordering Black Zero to follow and destroy X as a justification for playing through the entire game, final boss being Ultimate Armor X who jumps back injured after the fight, then the real Zero warps in all fixed up as the phase 2 final boss. That way it isn't just a retread of MHX.
>>749718427It was arguably a good call. Mega Man was on decline back then. Even the brief revival brought about by MM9 was short-lived, with MM10 not really doing quite as well. Inafune sought to ride the momentum and create Legends 3, but it clearly wasn't the best move.I know we blame him for how that whole thing turned out, and it's true he fucked up hard, but his first fuck-up was trying to crowdsource MML3 in the first place. There's a reason fucking NO ONE does this even now. It was a dumbass idea that never should have got off the ground.
>>749718565>with MM10 not really doing quite as wellMostly because 9 was a faithful retro throwback and 10 was seen as lazy for trying to do the bare minimumafter 9's reception. Megaman as a franchise is a story of one thing working and Capcom making the devs do it over and over again in as little time as possible until it stops being profitable.
>>749706871>Serges is Dr. Wily>Agile is Velguarder>Violen is...?
>>749718565>arguably a good callWith MHX and MMPU being thrown into the PSP you can't really argue it as a good call.>Even the brief revival brought about by MM9 was short-livedConsidering he caused inti to pretty much shut down ZX because MM9 wasn't MM2 enough?>Inafune sought to ride the momentum and create Legends 3, but it clearly wasn't the best move.Inafune wasn't trying to ride anything. He just wanted to throw his weight around as producer while setting up his own ideas company. Pretty much ended with the legends 3 shitshow.
>>749718982Let's not pretend that ZX and ZXA sold particularly well, man. Seriously, Mega Manfags are so goddamn delusional about how successful these games were.
>>749718887The Guts design expy since Wily was always making things with Gutsman faces
>>749717707I had my ideas about this.>Second campaign: Zero>Start off with Zero from X1. He wakes up but doesn't know where he is or how he got there. >He does all the same eight stages as X. He recognizes some of them, like Magna Centipede, but none of them respond to them. It's like they're all hollow shells.>For every four bosses he beats, he receives a new part. Body part enhances his durability, leg parts give him an air dash, arm parts let him perform the double charged shot, head part lets him use the Earth Gaizer attack.>Eventually, he runs into Vile from X1, complete with his Ride Armor. A voice goads him on to defeat Vile, to wipe away his previous defeat.>Afterwards, he runs into Serges, who is revealed to be the previous voice. Defeating him gets him the Z-Saber. Serges is deeply pleased with this development, and urges him forward.>His final boss is X1 Sigma. This ends the simulation and Zero wakes up at Maverick Hunter HQ. He immediately leaves to help X fight Sigma.
>>749704031I finished this game for the first time a couple nights ago, out of the three last bosses this dog was the most interesting, the Sigma forms were just tedious. Oh golly gee, when I wall jump up here, Sigma goes up in a predictable pattern, I shoot him as I drop down and he just returns to the ground without hitting me
>>749719039I'm not calling it successful, just that it was in the works. If we're going to be specific about it everything but the Z/ZX collection did decently enough and even mentioned as hitting the million mark according to Capcom.
>>749705759I gotta finish that. There was a bug in an earlier version that I encountered. Destroying the first Sigma Palace boss or whatever with the buster slowed the game to a crawl and froze it. I've updated since but haven't felt like doing it again
>>749719280The Zero/ZX collection isn't really a factor here. The fact is that the DS era was a pretty bad time for Mega Man. Previously for the GBA, each game in the Mega Man Zero series did worse than the previous installment. MMZ4's sales were less than a third that of MMZ1's. ZX managed to do better than Z4 did, but it still wasn't exactly a super successful title. ZXA did worse than ZX. THAT is why ZX3 was canceled. The sales trajectory of the franchise was clear; there was very, very, VERY little chance that ZX3 would be able to match the sales of ZXA, much less surpass it.It's not as if Inafune alone would have had enough power to cancel these games had there been any confidence in their success. X8, despite being a better game than X7, still performed worse. X9 very likely would have done worse than X8. That was the trajectory of the IP at the time. These games were selling worse and worse every year.
Anyone who thinks this much about a game with such a throwaway plot is a complete faggot.
>>749718740>MM10>lazyMM10 is what MM9 should've looked and sounded more like if it wasn't stuck aping MM2 so hard.
>>749719542>ZXA did worse than ZX. THAT is why ZX3 was canceled.Except ZX3 was also in the works at the time. The only reason it got canned was because of Inafune's MM2 autism for MM9 to the point that the developers had to redo what they had and them choosing to trash ZX3 to have everyone focus on that.
>>749720065It was in the works, but then it got cancelled because it made no sense to continue development when it would have sold significantly worse than ZXA.You act as if just because a project is underway, current events can't affect it. Games get canceled for this reason all the goddamn time. It's called cutting your losses.
>>749719974"Was seen as," obviously it was a solid game in its own right. It's just that 9 was a nice reminder the series still exists and could get entries, but 10 also being 8bit signaled to the masses that Capcom was not going to allocate more than an indie game budget to the franchise and this was in the peak of AAA game era.
>>749705807>>749706162Uihihi
>>749720307All the time but this wasn't one of them. It's a fact that Inafune was anal about MM9 and so the developers had to focus on that, especially since he was the pointman between them and Capcom.
>>749720536Take devs off the project that's bound to fail and put them on a project that has a chance of succeeding. Simple logic. Anyone with a brain can tell that ZX3 was gonna shit the bed in terms of sales, so it was a perfectly logical decision.
>>749720608Sure but the devs are a small group and they themselves chose to shelve ZX3 to help the ones that were working on MM9 which is another small team in the dev group. The situation had less to do with logic and more to do with placating someone's autism.
>>749720754You're being weirdly stubborn about this. Do you actually believe that ZX3 was a worthwhile investment? There's a reason why I brought up X8 earlier. It doesn't matter if ZX3 ended up being better than ZXA, it still almost definitely would have sold like shit.
The only people who want MMZXC or MML3 are storyfags
>>749720863And I'm not disagreeing that it would've sold like shit but the point I'm making here is that it selling like shit is moot since they were already in the process of working on it. It getting shelved had nothing to do with it selling like shit and more because of Conman's autism, and the dev team putting a hold on one project because the team assigned to MM9 fell behind because they had to redo everything.
>>749721498It probably would have gotten shelved even if MM9 hadn't been made. It makes no sense to continue development. It's not just ZX3. Much of the IP pretty much came to a standstill at around the same time.Your belief seems to be that ZX3 would have come to fruition if ONLY MM9 not been made. But I say that it would have been canceled regardless. Doesn't matter how good it was, it makes no sense to waste anymore money on it than they already did.
Generally, a game dev can only hope that the quality of their product results in greater sales. Obviously, things don't always work out, and there are a great number of factors at work, but the dev's only role is to try and refine the game's quality as much as possible.So when an IP reaches a point where the quality of the product is completely irrelevant to the sales, as was the case with Mega Man at the time, then there's literally nothing they can do. If you make a better game and it ends up selling way worse than the previous, shittier game, then what the fuck can the dev even do anymore?
>>749722309>If you make a better game and it ends up selling way worse than the previous, shittier game, then what the fuck can the dev even do anymore?Thus, Game Freak was born.
>>749722130Anon the fact is they were working on both at the same time so it's not even a case of "if only this didn't come out". The point is that sales wasn't the factor when it came to it's development and the ceasing of it, but blatant other fuckery.
