>moggs all fantasy RPGs Video game writers, even the "good" ones, are hacks
Okay.
>>749722001R.R. Martin is a video game writer, you loathsome dung eater
Finish your fucking book
>>749722035They have admitted to paying for his name and he did no work on the game
WHEREISWINDS???
I thought we were past the meme of pretending these books are good. Are you gonna start making the cake is a lie jokes next?
>>749722001What is moggs?
What are good modern fantasy books?
It's funny how much of a knockoff Dragon Age Origins' plot is of asoiaf and nobody noticed because it came out a year before the show
>YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, I CAN'T FINISH THE BOOKS BECAUSE HBWOKE AND MITSUBISHI-SAN NEED MY ADIIIAAACCK!!!Xenogears alone shits on anything he ever "contributed" to. In and out of vidya.
>Xenogearslmao.
>>749722443Huh? They’re totally different.
>>749722001>soap opera slop
This could maybe work as game but nothing else.
>>749722001He literally wrote himself into a corner
>>749722001Slaine is better than gays of throne
>>749722570this is your average idiots brain on anime btw.
>>749722658>>749722769Cope and/or seethe
>>749722672Existential threat to the world (White Walkers/Darkspawn) is only opposed by a understaffed and overwhelmed group of mostly conscripts (Night's Watch/Grey Wardens) while the rest of the realm ignores them and is distracted by a violent succession crisis (War of the Five Kinds/Ferelden Civil War)
>>749722001Why are you trying to be elitist about a Dune knockoff for foids?
>>749722769enjoy not having an argument. even xenoslop has endpoints, unlike gay of goons.
Poop and rape are just not that compelling as a writing focus, sorry old man
>>749722570Wait, he still hasn't finished?
>>749723218He has 2 books (announced and at minimum) left while he circlejerks hollykike writers on tv shows, and fellates miyazaki
Being gay aside, why is it so hard to create an open-world RPG with 3-4 biomes, 5-6 cities, 5-6 houses, a war, some supernatural stuff, history etc
>>749723218He will never finish.
>>749723309>Open worldOkay, one year to develope this>RPG systemOkay, one year to develope this>biomeOkay, one year to develope this>A cityOkay, one year to develope this>WarOkay, one year to develope this>StuffOkay, one year to develope this>StoryOkay, one year to develope thisIt's not hard. It just takes A LONG TIME.
>>749723375AI + a creative person could do all of this in an hour.
>>749723375Morrowind did it in like 3 years
>>749723304>>749723369At least he's not on patreon collecting forgotten auto renewed subs. Guy just checked out.
>>749723218He keeps working on side projects and eating himself to death. Probably doesn't wanna finish the main series because he's afraid he won't live up to expectations, so he'd rather die with his works unfinished and have people talk about the potential of his works afterwards
>>749722443??? They literally explicitly talked about how they wanted to be ASoIaF before release.
>>749723535It's worse than that. He promotes shitty woke shows and got cucked out of his own spinoff with House of the Dragon and instead of demanding they pull the plug, just bitches about his shitty cuckening.
>>749723593>instead of demanding they pull the plugHe can't do that, he signed a contract and if he blows it all up not even his book publishers will want to have anything to do with him anymore.He should have been more involved in production instead.
>>749723375Also like a billion dollars, surely this will be profitable right?
>>749722001The Song of Ice and Fire series is not really fantasy, OP. Although they take place in a setting with fantasy elements, the stories revolved around mundane human conflicts and political struggles.
>>749722745>posting the manchild core stapleWhat was Severian’s tax policy?
>>749724149imagine being as butthurt as the maker of that memepic KEK what a raped bitch
>>749722001Books 1-3, sure, if you skip sansa and dany chapters Everything else is shit
>>749723435Okay, i am a screenwriter, i can create the world from scratch. What model of AI i need here?>>749723463Different strokes back in then, and the RPG system in that game is horrible. I love that game tho.
>>749722001while the old fuck is spending his remaining days fapping to westerosi loli porn, Brandon Sanderson spews massive novels every 2 years, while also co-writing the Mistborn movies and Stormlight series.George should just give him the rights to finish the books, like Robert Jordan did with Wheel of Time before passing away
>>749724149Dune mogs all the other books combined.
>>749722745I was too retarded to understand this book. Was fun to read all the weird places he ends up though.
>>749722443>they even misspell sir as ser because GRRM did itIt's not as if they were trying to be subtle.
>>749722745Long Sun would work better as a game desu.
>>749722001>she shat like a waterfall until the sun came up then he shat again until sundown then she got raped while she shat and shatYeah, great writer...
>>749722001
>>749725652I still find it funny how that's one of the last things you'll read, since it's like the final chapter in book 5.Hoping he at least gets one more book out, so an overly vivid description of dysentery isn't the last thing his most popular series ends up being famous for.
>>749722001most games have bad writing, yes, but those books aren't much better. i don't play games for story. and i barely read fantasy slop because there is no real point to it, most of these fantasy epics are the male equivalent to the bestial, sadomasochistic romance novels marketed at women, except instead of werewolves dicking down helpless maidens, it is big burly men beheading other men with fake and gay "politics" to "justify" the violence.
>>749722001Never read them, are those actually good?
>>749722001It also "moggs" most fantasy books and movies though. There are a literal handful of stories out there better than aSoIaF.>>749722443>Blight (even if the word is used differently)>Tower school of mages >"Dark"spawnYou're thinking of the wrong series Dragon Age blatantly plagiarized. The fact that I had a sexy witch bitch obsessed with my character on my playthrough kind of drove it home for me.
>>749726136They are, and highly influential. Modern Tolkien in a way.
>>749726136Only if you go back in time to the 00s
>>749726182Having never read the books, I'm assuming this is a Wheel of Time reference?
>>749726182>There are a literal handful of stories out there better than aSoIaF.such as?
Are there any other good fantasy novels? The foid written ones are fucking trash.
Tolkien kept writing while having a full-time job at a university and regular club meetings and doing personal research he finished his works on time. Only death managed to stop him.
>>749722001Then why are you here? Go play your book lmao.
>>749722001George is hack too.Can't even finish a single novel because he's too fat to type.
>>749726998I think i will.No open world game can ever beat fabled lands/vulkanverse
>>749726909the conceit of lotr was more profound and meaningful but also more straight forward to plot out.
>>7497244524 is great.
<= ultimate updated my journal core.Has any game ever done "amnesiac foreigner in weird land" better than Soldier in the mist
>>749726621Yes>>749726684Wheel of Time and LotR. Kingkiller Chronicle though I think if both got an ending, Martin would be able to drive it home better than Rothfuss. I wasn't put off as much by the faerie sexcapades in the second book as most people since I think it will be very fucking relevant when we find out more about Bast.There's probably endless examples in classic /lit/ and I have no doubt some of the shit in >>749724149 could compete, but half of that pic I've never read and the other half was written too densely for my brainletism.
>>749727696I always thought a good solution would be some sort of resurrected knight like a fish out of water 1000 years in the future but still medieval fantasy like
>>749722001This book as better writing than that entire series of dogshit.
>>749725001It's a mostly good system, just needs some tweaks and bugfixes
>>749723435Then how come no one has done it?
>YOU UNDERSTAND! I CAN'T FINISH THE BOOKS BECAUSE CHAD-BEEE-OH AND MITSUBISHI-SAMA NEED MY ADVICE!!!>makes more money than God, and both projects are massive successesKNEEL
>>749722745No, it could only work as an anime series with Amano character designs and animation quality on par with Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust or Angel Egg. The sort of designs in pic related would be perfect for BOTNS and UOTNS.
once he finishes the books then people will have closure and stop caring about GoT. hes a genius for not finishing and milking it with spin offs.
>>749728889He doesn’t finish the books because the need to complete them is what keeps him alive. It’s like a lich curse.
>>749722001>book has better writing than a video game...yeah? This is like saying a musician's album mogs a film score.
I still think Jamie Lannister will kill the night king
>>749725382You literally have to read it twice to get it. Reading the story once and understanding the whole picture would be psychotic.
>>749729000Obviously that's literally the entire point of his arc
>>749727792Rothfus frustrates me way more than Martin. With Ice and Fire I can at least see the through line and extrapolate the path to the ending. But Doors of Stone can't possibly deliver on all that was promised in one final book.
>>749728889He's old as dirt the only thing he has left is his legacy which he needs to finish the books to see realized.
>>749729053I feel like the core conceit is so widely known at this point that it spoils that sense of discovery for new readers. The fucking Ursula LeGuin foreword they added in the most recent publication even spells it out to readers before they ever even crack the first page.
>>749729756Bro, core conceit is delivered on first page.All the weird stuff can't really be spoiled and is really fun to discover by yourself.
>>749722001call me when it's finished
>>749722745>>749725443Short sun is the one that suits a game best.>>749728885
>>749722117sauce plz
Started reading this for the first time in the last few months without ever watching the show. I feel like it really falls off after the third book. Also it pissed me off that most of the action in the first and second book was from tyrion's perspective. I refuse to belief a dwarf with tiny ass arms can hit anybody on horseback with an axe, ask any mount and blade player. It really makes him feel like a Gary stu and grrm's self insert. I can believe the fantastic but not the improbable. I liked The Second Apocalypse a lot better despite the dialogue not being as good and the series having an absolutely bummer ending.
>>749722001thats why elden ring is the greatest rpg ever made, perhaps the greatest game period
>>749728889>>749728967He can't finish the books because the characters' stories need to meet a certain resolution in order for the message he wants to send to get across, but he's a "gardener" and just let the characters write themselves, which is part of the reason people like them so much: they feel real. But now he has to wrangle them back on course, which goes against his writing style.It's like he needs to bring his dog to the vet but he doesn't believe in forcing her to go places so he just let her loose and hoped she'd end up there on her own. Now he has no more "time" since he wants seven books total. He needs to find a way to let the characters be free but ALSO stumble into their planned endings, and that's just wishful thinking. Books 4 and 5 were supposed to be about Dany's invasion, but 5 ends with her in the Dothraki Sea of all places.
I prefer fantasy that doesn't hate the fact that it's fantasy. And is finished.
>>749730939Would you believe it was originally pitched as a trilogy and just kept blooming out further and further from there?>>749731038Yeah, it's obvious some of the plot has gotten away from him. I think he has character arcs in mind for each character he writes but the timelines for them don't quite matchup and he has a lot of trouble integrating them back in with the overarching kingdom politics so he has to keep everyone spread all over the world barely interacting together. As things condense again moving towards the finale his character plots start suffering.
>>749722001I've read the books, they were pretty boring
>>749722001Bloated as fuck overrated series
>>749722001*mogs GRRM to death*
>>749731234>>749731287Filtered>>749731387Lol no
>>749731446>Lol nojudging by the rest of the thread, nobody takes this hack's books seriouslyyoure mumma was fuck.ed by many + you are losting + bharat owns you blud
>>749731038he should have went with the timeskip
>>749722001I wish there were more fantasy series with a single point of view characterI find it so much more immersive
>>749729276The NK doesn't really exist in the books and the Others aren't evil. One of GRRM's gripes with LotR is that the orcs are innately evil. He wouldn't do that to the Others. He even called them "the others" to foreshadow that they're just foreigners and should be treated like people. Maybe their leader is an evil warlord and he needs to be killed to free his people, but the series is definitely ending with the message that humans and the Others are equals and war is bad.Jaime was also originally intended to be the Big Bad of the War of the Five Kings, but his current arc is about him becoming a diplomat instead of a king slayer. Kinda' weird for his arc to end with him killing a king.>>749730939No offense but I think this is a dumb person's opinion.
>>749731741I'm not going to pretend I'm smarter than an extremely successful multimillionaire authorBut I do wonder how he thought going from>I will have Daenerys land in Westeros in the middle of book 4to>I will not have Daenerys (or Jon or Tyrion) in book 4 at allwas a good idea
>>749722001>Writes vidya lore>It ends up being strictly inferior to the lore the devs wrote.The fatass "She sharted and farted" man is a hack who would rather gorge himself than work on his next shit book. The arrogant cunt has the audacity to compare himself to JRR Tolkien.
>>749729053Even if you told me it's post apocalyptic I still dont understand him walking around a random abandoned city with windmills in the distance, seeing a dried out corpse with an IV drip, that suddenly comes to live and starts attacking him.
>>749726909It took him like 17 years to write LOTR
>>749722001Tolkien clears.
>>749733519Also he never finished Silmarillion. What was eventually published is an amalgamation of Tolkien's drafts and notes which was written into a coherent book by his son Christopher.
>>749732971that's because the book got so big that he just split the thing into two separate books
Most fantasy rpgs aren't as well written as they're made out to beI'm playing the trails first chapter remake and it's hilarious how shit the whole story isI assume it's well liked because this kind of long running epic fantasy series which keeps building on itself is rare in video games, so for people who don't read it must seem like a one of a kind, special thingBut wow this is so bad
>>749731234>he read over 6 thousands pages of something boring
>>749734640KEK
>>749734640blackpill
>>749724149What's wrong with Hyperion and Titus Groan?
>>749727817Missed opportunity - imagine the defecation chapters
>>749722029Licking chikas pussy
>>749735375It's bait. They're all good novels for a number of reasons but people endlessly dig way more meta-textual meaning out of than exists within the books themselves. It's a consistent midwit pitfall to find something for the first time that brushes against deeper themes and philosophical concepts and pronounce this a profound revelatory work because it was the source of their personal first revelation.See also Outer Wilds, for a Vidya example.
>>749735616Oh. Okay.
>>749724149black company bros...were safe from the manchild allegations
>>749722001I've read the first four but dropped them there, once something starts to get interesting he usually kills them off or go back to boring shit. His world is cool but I don't find his story telling to be more than passable
>>749728656they do you just haven't noticed it's AII mean yeah those games don't exist yet and AAA studios still take years to make things, but they totally could if they wantedtwo more weeks
>>749722001the more she shit the thirstier she uh...
>>749723218Nope, and he never will. People hated the show's ending and that's most likely what he had in mind for the books, so he just won't finish to preserve his legacy of being a great writer. Instead he will write 500 spinoff books and shows
There's a goated book series spanning 41 novels written by a brilliant British humorist but I'm gonna gatekeep it.
>>749735616I haven't seen anyone jerk off outer wilds for its profound themes, it's always because of the deductive mystery puzzle aspect.
I like the idea that Jaime could become the 1000th lord commander of the nights watch at the end. It's the most poetic ending for him. His fate is no longer tied to Cerseis and I love how grrm has written him.
>>749737342he's never going to finish it
>>749732628the others are looking for a stark with a valyrian sword. what their intent is is anyone's guess>prologue book 1 has the others ambush waymar royce>one duels him honorably until his sword cracks and then it says "something mocking" and all of them descend on him and stab him to death>they clearly only care about royce, as they leave one survivor and the other guy is killed by royce's risen corpse>book 2 sees jon and co at crastor's, where he instantly recognizes jon as having the stark look (grey eyes, dark hair) and takes an interest in him>he also reveals waymar, gared and will stopped in at crastor's before riding north into the ambush>we later learn crastor is in contact with the others via offering them his sons>book 5, sansa is at the eyrie and remembers waymar stopping in at winterfell on his way to the wall>she thought he was hot and would have let him hit it because of his "grey eyes and dark hair"putting it all together>waymar and co stop at crastor's then continue north>crastor tells the others that a ranger with the stark look and a nice sword is north of the wall>the others bait royce into a trap>one of them duels him, his sword shatters and they realize he is not the one they are looking for>they unceremoniously kill him and move onlater, possibly incidental but likely related:>mormont tells crastor they are making for the fist of the first men, and they are soon overrun by a massive force of wights>jon is already gone by then, having volunteered with the half-hand
>>749722001Fat man will never finish the series, making all discussion about it pointless
>>749722001Genre fiction writers, even the "good" ones, are hacks.
>>749736919Any one sub series would make for an amazing TV show, so long as we ignore that one time they fucked it all up.
>>749722086He is literally hoping to die first.
>>749722128Who can write when fascism is on the rise worldwide?
George RR or Chris Roberts. Who's the bigger hack?
Nah we fr got GTA VI before Winds of Winter
>>749736919There’s like a dozen Discworld games
So did any of you goys play the 1999 wheel of time vidya game? It's actually pretty fun.
>>749734640No one talks about how Bron literally married a chick named Lolis in the books. Also it’s a shame that no one has ever made a joke about that or art.
>>749724149thanks for the recs
>>749741614Roberts probably has more money, but Martin has more goys which idolize him
>>749722745on blue's waterssailing alone on a recently colonized alien planetand anyways if it was severian it should be the 3rd and 4th books where he is travelling or the coda where he is on a massive starship
>>749722001It's never even occured to me to read these, since it feels like so many others "have it covered," so to speak.I recently read and enjoyed Earthsea and Book of the New Sun.
>>749725137
>>749722001I love ASOIAF, but think it would make for a bad video gameI don't love the Stormlight Archives, but think it would make for a good video game
>>749744051Hasn't there been a telltale and a vr game for each of them? Don't remember if they were any good.
>>749744505Telltale had one for Game of Thrones. I thought it started okay, but it fell apart pretty quickly trying to balance a big rotating cast and ended on a cliffhanger. Plus it felt like they had to have a quota of characters from the show in there for fanservice, which actively hurt the story because you knew that you were completely powerless against canon characters like Ramsey who just showed up to randomly fuck with you. I don't know of any Stormlight Archive game
>>749742481Pretty ambitious for a 1999 game
>>749744505Fat man's graphomania had a telltale game which ended on sequelbaiting which went nowhere since studio got canned. Game ends roughly in the middle of season 4 of the show.Also it had a DA:O-like arpuger which is ugly as sin but has an actually interesting plotKFC doesn't have any games
>>749738589Every book falls under a genre
>>749732628>dumb persons opinionPlease enlighten me on how its dumb anon. I get its a fantasy book but a person with dwarfism killing people in head on melee combat really takes me out of it. A grown man swinging an axe on horseback already has short reach, let alone somebody with dwarfism. Like I can suspend my disbelief for a LOTR dwarf but not for an actual midget lmao.
Elder Scrolls is way better for a video game easilyIt could make a GoT style show if done properly
>>749722001Normalfags read one book or book series in their entire lives then make their entire personality revolve around that one single megapopular normalfag-approved form of media.
>>749722001Always found it boring.
>>749745924I've read a lot of books this year but think that ASOIAF ruined fantasy as a genre for me because most adult fantasy series are honestly pretty rough. Only author I thought matched up was Abercrombie
>>749744051>>749744051I read 100 pages of this book and it felt so shit
>>749746841>Abercrombie
>>749724149Frieren: Beyond Journey's End mogs all of these
>>749747161It unironically gets good 500 pages in.Series kind of goes to shit in the third book though.
Is it worth reading Name of the Wind even if it seems that writer is also a lazy fuck without even the excuse of being old like GRRM?
>>749746841>ASOIAF ruined fantasy as a genre for melol
>>749746841Because fantasy writers are the perfect match for their audience, both are complete illiterate in every field with the only exception of Tolkien, and since the rest are just poor copies of him without any idea behind their stories they write "worldbuilding" instead of metaphysics and theology therefore they replicate the same modern mentality of today but in renaissance theme park with dungeons and dragons cartoons, magic turned into technology instead of mystery and gods into superpowered aliens closer to Marvel and DC comics characters than real numinous entities. Like in how many the characters say stuff like the concept of "Sin" and "Redemption" when there is Rabbi Yeshua in these world?
>>749722001and now please demonstrate what are you talking about and throw this edgelord teen shit into the firebin
>>749748010>Exception of TolienLmao everytime.
>>749747757Yeah
Didn't they make a theater play recently that had Lyanna be a complete piece of shit and Rhaegar's wife have a cuck fetish?What happened to that, did it actually come out?
>>749748236Always funny to see people who never read to begin with venerate Tolkien and put him on a pedestal.
>>749731194>Would you believe it was originally pitched as a trilogyYes, because the general plot points stayed the same. And we know that the story is literally in the middle. Last book(s) ended with like 10 cliffhangers.
>>749722001>overrated trash>mogslmao
>>749748236>>749748542See the problem is that apes read it as some fantasy novel being completely unaware of the amount of metatextual games, like the Witch King being Macbeth because Tolkien didn't like how Shakespeare resolved the story. Or Aragorn doing a clear Katabasis to be reborn as king of Men and Gondor.
>>749722001>George Reddit Martinit doesn't mog anything if your IQ is >90
>>749747161>>749747557I didn't hate it, but it can be very slow and repetitive in terms of actually moving the plot forward. It sounds kind of childish to say but the best part was all the effort put into the magic and weaponry. Like I think a lot more effort was put into the neat magic system and premise of a violent social climb in the name of cool swords than I think was put into the actual characters dynamics and politics.
>>749747190>>749747783You are welcome to recommend better books. My backlog is running thin
>>749747757I liked the prose but hated the protagonist
>>749722001The fact it isn't done prevents it from mogging.Completed works are always one tier above incomplete works.
>>749750728second apocalypse
>>749722001>Give the two HBO retards his final draft on how Game of Thrones is going to finish>They get heavy backslash on how shit it gets in the final 3 seasons >Still cannot finish the books because he wrote himself in a corner>Will die before ending it
>>749750804Stating this as a hard fact is pretty silly. I enjoyed ASOIAF unfinished as it is more than most finished works.
>>749723309You just described Skyrim.
>>749750804Not always
>>749750660That's all Sanderson novels, pretty much.
> a gaggle of wieners
>>749750728Arguably anything. Eye of Argon even.
>>749750856Never heard of it, I'll add it to the list
>>749751737>Arguably anythingEmpty answer
>>749722001>Dude, porn and violence lmaoThis fag isn't even good enough to polish Sapkowksi's boots, not to mention comparing himself to Tolkien.
>>749751839>book good because popularEmpty propositionFinish the job unlike Martin and an hero
>>749750804this mfer hasn't tried edging. You should try it anon it's life changing.
>>749751863>picThe Starks are the most objectively good people in the setting and they get glazed as such.
>>749726894I liked the Name of the Wind series. Unfortunate the guy has tried several times to write more and he just couldn't.
>>749724149>bait listAs someone going through the current top rated fantasy books, I can definitively state that post 2000 fantasy books are mostly man child tierRed Rising is an example
>>749722001>war of roses but slightly less incest
>>749751912Chickenshit contrarian unable to recommend anything you actually enjoy
>>749726136Very good with the caveat that the downward spiral that was the HBO version is the only ending we have.
>>749732628The kingslayer thing is more about prophecy. It’d be a prophecy in plain sight. Everyone talks shit about him for being the kingslayer throughout the book only for him to have the exact same title while being the greatest hero in Westeros.
>>749747161>we have to carry the bridge broI’m sick of the bridge.
>>749754164You're gonna carry that weight.Which I realize now is the underlying theme of that whole series.
Vidya adaptation when?
I recently learned that Hedge Knight's weren't a real thing and that GRRM invented them. He's good at that sort of stuff, adding concepts that feel real to a medieval fantasy world.
>>749722086Motherfucker is going to pull an Aegon IV and say every fanfic is Canon on his deathbed
>>749754670
this thread is about books?i finished this today and i cried for like 20 minutes straightwhat a hearbreaking read
>>749722001As a complete story, Morrowind mogs.
>>749755531I don't think anyone overrates the writing and lore more than Elder Scrolls fans
>>749755772Xenogears/Xenosaga fans?
>>749722443Dragon Age Origins always felt more like Warhammer Fantasy. You've got the Empire, the greenskins bearing down on you, xenophobic elves, asshole French, mages in schools who are one sneeze away from converting to Chaos, etc.
>>749754367Is Sanderson the guy that is anti-theme, or am I thinking of someone else. I listened to some of his lectures and he seems to never talk about theme.
>>749722001Show me the ending.
>>749755772Elder scrolls is just baby’s first exposure to Gnosticism, which does a slightly better job at explaining Gnosticism than other Gnosticism games.
>>749722001>moggs asoifOh and its actually finished
>>749755479Yeah, it’s good.
>>749756479I've seen a lot of Elder Scrolls fans explain that the lore is super trippy and that using god mode is part of the lore and that the setting is self aware that it's a video game or some shit. None of that feels actually present in the games, they all get that from reading the wiki.
>>749756626Tried to read this, absolute slog.
>>749755479The fuck was even the point of this book, that everyone is a fucking cunt?
>>749757030Unironically filtered.
>>749757159I love Gene Wolfe, but this just felt like - i dunno, pointless?
>>749757125the point of this book was looking into the consequences of being smart, both for the person who is smart and for the people who surround said personemotional intelligence is just as important as logical intelligence, without it, even when we're smart, we tend to hurt people who wish us nothing but good thingsthat's what i got from it anyway
>>749722001>it's nothing but a bunch of old cynical fucks having sex and betraying eachother nonstopI read them all.First one was good. Took a sharp nosedive starting from book 2 and never recovered.
>>749726136First three are great, but four was terrible. I'd be kind to the fifth book, but after several years I've grown about sour on whole series.
>>749722001If ASOIAF is so good why is the closest thing I've seen to a vidya adaptation of it a slot machine?
>>749757564Telltale made a game for it, otherwise I think it’s just mobile slop.
>>749757205I've read BotNS too. You still got filtered.
>>749757306I never read the book but I'm interested now.It's also my opinion that inconsideration is just evil. Call it innocence or ignorance, mindlessly chasing surface level virtue without regard for the consequences like adopting 12 orphans while your 3 children starve is just an evil behavior.
>Will never be finishedkek
>>749757868>mindlessly chasing surface level virtue without regard for the consequences like adopting 12 orphans while your 3 children starve is just an evil behaviormuramasa spoke of this
>>749757868I’ve recently come to the conclusion that apathy is worse than evil. Evil is blatant a lot of the time and you will always have people speak out against it, apathy is always just allowed to go on unimpeded until the apathetic are affected.
You see, most video game stories are actually better than those books because they eventually reach an ending.
Has anyone read the Black company books? Are they any good?
>>749757125>>749757306I thought it was also about the inherent tragedy of how we perceive and judge others over things they can't actually change about themselves.
>>749723375>adds up to a 7 year task to put out a gameWhich is exactly how long the typical AAA design cycle is now, so why can't they do that much? Instead we get much much less.
>>749744728It bugs me because this would have been better if they just based it on the books and had it be about a clash between minor houses in the midsts of a larger conflict. No need to tie it into anything with any of the major events. Just have it be more or less contained. Also Roderick, Asher, and Garret were based, I hope the latter got himself some wildling pussy like Jon. Oh and fuck Gryff and Ludd.
>>749759309Development is usually half that, the other half is execs and creatives fighting over what the game is even supposed to be.
>>749759271yeah, that toothis book is brilliantreminded me of heart of a dog, except much more tragic
>>749757472Interesting take. I thought Storm of Swords was where it peeked, while Feast for Crows was where they started padding things out a bit much balancing so many additional POV characters.
>>749722001why do you post literal dogshit tho? At least post a good author next time.
>>749757564i unironically heard this one is decent. only learned about it recently and i've been into the series a long time
>>749757989I wouldn't say it's outright worse, but I do think you can argue that it's a larger systemic issue because one corrupt person in power is only able to stay in power because we're all too apathetic to take direct action against it.
>>749725137I agree, and I think he should do so now.He's clearly more interested in all the other projects he's working on then in wrapping up Ice and Fire.If he hands it over to Sanderson now, he can read and vet anything Sanderson writes, so it can be considered 'canonical', instead of it all being done after his death like Jordan.
>>749756626Overarching plot is a bit of a mess, but the setting and characters are amazing.
>>749756626read like the first 5 books while i was in rehabi think book 4 intro where Karsa is introduced is pure fucking cinema
>>749728783Do you think Sophie sucked his dick?
>>749725137>>749759678Sanderson would be a terrible pick. His style is so different that it just doesn't make sense. A few years back I figured Abercrombie might be a better choice but I have no idea if he still even exists
>>749760025I'm not fussy who specifically; George can pick his own favorite. But he should do so now, not on his deathbed decades down the line.
>>749725137>>749759678>>749760025Sanderson has repeatedly stated that he won't do it even if Martin himself asked. The tone and writing styles are far too different for him to to handle
>>749734832It's like playing Pathologic, you know you're not in for a good time but it's an experience all the same
>>749722117>and he did no work on the gameTo be fair, he does no work at all in his other ventures, so it's just on point for him.
>>749722745Shadow of the Torturer was kino beyond words, absolutely amazing bookI didn't really like Claw of the Conciliator, even though there were major plot drops in it
>>749736989The story in Outer Wilds takes a backseat to the exploration and puzzle discovery, but I think the ending is surprisingly poignant
>>7497220015 books, which needed to be split up into parts, which got an HBO series?Impressive. However
>>749759409Recommend one then
>CTRL + F>No Malazan mentionV shit taste at it again
>>749762252retard >>749756626
>>749722001Pic related is the only series that gets close to a good book series.
>>749723435Nobody who's actually creative is going to handicap himself with slop.
>>749755479the stupid fucking rat man
>>749725804Kek
First law mogs because abercrombie can write actual characters on par with grrm but can also finish his series, I love his sense of humor too made me actually lol many times
>>749722001I'd rather read this never finishing story.
>>749764097The Heroes is legit funny.
>enjoy an author's work>go back and read their old shit>mfw
>>749764097I had to put the series on hold after Last Argument of Kings, because everything was just kind of shit, but all of the characters made completely reasonable choices given everything that they'd done and that was really the first time I was in any sort of agreement with what other people said of calling The First Law "grimdark". Because it wasn't some over the top buffoonery, it was very human characters making choices that make sense for them, and everything is still terrible in spite of their struggles.
>>749731038>I'm a gardener>doesn't seem to understand that the whole point of gardens is the endless pruning and trimming it takes to make themFuck, what is it with this guy
>Completely unfinished after 2 decadesLol no.
>>749733519So the same amount of time between dance with dragons and now? And that's ignoring the fact LoTR comes with several complete languages and significant scholarly work.
>>749722001Elden Ring had shit writing
>>749744051Storm light archives and Cosmete books in general are so kino. I stumbled on them quite randomly, and binged almost all of them in couple of months.
Here's my lineup of new books and book series from the past forty years to check out! Any thoughts or recommendations?
>>749722117everything in the game having his iconic scat, incest, std fetishry is a mere coincidence
>>749766791OOPS
>>749766840why the fuck do you have shit like harry potter in your queue?
>>749766687Also, like, Tolkien was working as a professor. And there was WW2 going on.
>>749766840It's fine, assuming you're under 25 and just getting into reading.
>>749722443>dragon age Origins and Game of Thrones are only a year apart
>>749767025>>749767083>Sincerely try to post a list of books I'm interested in reading>Get called an autistic pussy-bitch-baby for not including enough gore and snuffHow do you expect anyone to keep coming here just to get screamed at? Please just shut up.
>>749767419>>Get called an autistic pussy-bitch-baby for not including enough gore and snuffwho are you quoting?
Would it have saved the show?
>>749766840Holy highschool senior
>>749722443It's mostly the grey warden shit that' makes it obvious.
>>749754915https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight-errant
>>749760171Martin has specifically said he's made no provisions for the series to be finished once he dies and has no plans on passing it on to someone. When be dies that's it.
>DUDE what if rape and beheadings and sex and snow but stretched out over thousands of pages Kys
>>749767769>When be dies that's it.only if he has someone trustworthy enough to do to his work what Prachett did.
>>749767419Dude you posted a bunch of YA and asked for opinions. The answer is: This is fine if you're in the age range for YA, but if you're older, you should probably graduate towards books oriented towards adult people.
>>749767780This describes 90% of the books that people who will belittle you for reading Harry Potter like.
>>749767854No, he said he won't do it and has made no notes or plans so even if someone was willing to try they would be unable. If he really did care about his world, or his fans or he would Robert Jordan it, but he doesn't so he didn't. He will die, it will be tragically unfinished and that will be his legacy and I'm sure he prefers it that way since it will make it more memorable and timeless than giving everyone the closure they want.
>>749727792Isn't wheel of time that series with 20 books of meta irony that no one takes seriously?
Hail Mary, Fourth Wing, Court Of, Dirty Job, Antimemetics Division, Snow Crash, Good Omens, Hitchiker's Guide, Neuromancer, Blindsight, House Of Leaves, and New Sun aren't YA at all. They're novels written by adults, for adults. If your definition of books for adults are archaic, unreadable grandma literature like Little Women or backwater snuffshit for rednecks like Blood Meridian, your emotional maturity is completely off and you need to seek some form of counsel. There is never any reason to come down on an adult for reading PG-rated novels like Harry Potter.
>>749767904No, it doesn't.
>>749767948So Martin literally has no outline or drafts for anything beyond what he's currently written? No wonder it's taken him two decades to not finish his story.Hate someone like Sanderson for his writing voice or character dialog but the man knows how to plan out a fucking story. After he dies probably literally anyone would churn out whatever books that man doesn't finish.
>>749767860>books oriented towards adult people.Examples?
>>749768057I'll always come down on people for reading Harry Potter because Harry Potter itself is just garbage. Everything else in that list was fine by me.
>>749768026Like 2 books of it maybe. Which is funny because people bitch about those books as if nothing happens when insane amounts of plot relevant shit and major lines begin and end in them. It's just the books go from 700 insane things happening a book to like 150 so they complain, and then go and gobble up some other crap which has less going on in and entire series than even Jordan's slowest book.
>>749768026Wheel of Time is the one where the author went senile in the middle of the series. It's not better than ASOIAF
>>749768084He's got some barebones outlines and shit but not nearly enough to actually hand off to someone and have them finish.
>>749722001>Mogs all your gay fantasy novelsLMFAO.Cao Cao shits on your grave
>>749768135You're tempting fate by asking this question, because the kind of person who will antagonize you for reading colorful novels that appeal to people who draw and read comics is always going to respond to questions about book maturity with some insane, incredibly creepy and out-of-left-field novel like Behead All Satans, or they're going to start lecturing you on philosophy as a segway to try to get you into a copy of The Communist Manifesto or something equally anti-authority that has no value to an author. And then they're going to scream at you for not being receptive to them and try to make you think *you're* crazy for not understanding how meaningful their crap is, and try to make you feel like a dork for not immediately understanding their implied deep-underground epic taste curated for them by a thousand art students. Just read a good book.
>>749722001If that nudnik was a good writer, he wouldn’t feel the need to pop out from the woodwork every few months to whine about some new nitpick he found with Tolkien
>>749757306>emotional intelligenceis not a thing. You can't just throw "intelligence" onto another word to try and make it sound important.>>749757868From the perspective of others, it doesn't really matter which is which. I work in a factory full of <90 IQ rubes and the amount of time that gets wasted due to how inconsiderate everyone is honestly astounds me to no end. Basic gestures I was taught as a child, like putting things back where you found them and asking for help if you don't know what you're doing, are no only foreign to them, they mockingly reject them. I eventually learned to stop helping them since I was just enabling their bad habits. It's better to look busy until they break something or piss a supervisor off, then they get banned and we can roll the dice on the next guy.
>>749758835Endings don't matter.>>749759678There's no point in having someone else finish your work.>then it'll get finished!So?
>>749768135Start with the classics. They're the classics for a reason and you can find out what you like.If you want something specific, Hemingway.
Just to cut out the faffery, I want everyone in this thread to reply to this post with the novel they're currently reading, right now.I'm reading Snuff, from the Discworld series. I have permanent newness bias because I'm still under 30, so I've been hopping around the Discworld pretty idiosyncratically to try to settle on the best-selling, best-received books that are the most relevant to my art project, and the City Watch series is the one that's most written for adults. Captain Vimes the workaholic gets a mandated vacation that puts him into a fancy house in the countryside outside of Ankh-Morpork where all the help act super-weird around him and he has to deal with local craziness while watching over his son and unwinding the mystery of why it's all happening. Discworld novels always have that special touch of humor that really make you want to keep chewing at them.
>>749758835>because they eventually reach an ending.Trails and Yakuza faggots btfo||Haha...||
>>749768652Blood meridian
>>749722001Books 4 and 5 are complete garbage.
>>749768378He doesn't do that? I've seen the statement he made about his themes being a subversion on some Lord of the Rings concepts like the idea that maybe a good warrior wouldn't automatically make for a good king, but people act like Martin shits on Tolkien every chance he gets when he clearly respects the work he did.
>>749767517Don't spoil the book ending like that!
>>749767860>you should probably graduate towards books oriented towards adult peoplePeople say this but then they conflate "mature" with "realistic, slow, edgy.">Pfft, you read books about wizards and pure maidens? Try reading something for adults, like this book about a bald old fart who fucks women to death.>lmao you like superheroes? Try reading something intelligent for once, like this comic about a married couple going through divorce. I especially liked the scene where he goes fishing and contemplates his childhood.Yeah, riveting.
>>749726894The Witcher series isn’t good but it is entertaining.
>>749756783It’s relevant in morrowind’s main story and secretly relevant in summerset isles in oblivion. Don’t remember shit about Skyrim so I can’t tell if it comes up there.
>>749768292>three kingdoms perioddon't ever show your face around here basic bitch
>>749757989While somewhat connected to this, my conclusion has just been that good actions are all that matter. You can be a good person in your head, but who you are is literally just what you do.
>>749768652I'm rereading my beloved masters of rome series, currently on Caesar's women
>>749768567I read The Old Man and the Sea and it was fucking boring and by the third time he said, "I wish I brought the boy," I actually laughed out loud. And I don't think that was the intention.Moby Dick is good for like 20 chapters then turns into a boring, meaningless slog until the whale actually shows up and suddenly it's Wrestlemania and everyone dies. I've read analyses of it to see if maybe I missed something and literally everyone confidently asserts it's about this or that, but none of them agree with each other.Don Quixote caused me physical pain to read. It has a few funny moments, but most of the first book is low brow comedy and most of the second book is just hateful. I was told it's meant to be a satire of old Spanish romance novels. Okay. How many of those do you think I've read? Are you well-versed in 16th century Spanish romance novels? A Confederacy of Dunces is the same.I finished King in Yellow and Heart of Darkness like an anime girl with a question mark above my head. I didn't dislike them, but I didn't know what the authors were trying to say either. I think King in Yellow was interesting, maybe it'd be fun to pick it apart and try to figure it out, but Heart of Darkness made me think the message was probably something along the lines of "muh environment" so I really do not want to pry any further lest I throw up on my keyboard.1984, Animal Farm, Lolita and The Metamorphosis were good.I love ASOIAF too but I'd be lying if I didn't mention that half my interest came from watching theory channels/blogs. I also watched the TV show and most of the dialogue people love from it is original to the show. When you strip that stuff away, maybe I'd like the books less. But it's been a long time, so I dunno.Discworld is kinda' funny and whimsical but I found it hard to read more than six books. It reminded me too much of talking to British teenage girls on the Internet back in the day, with how punny and self-satisfied the characters act.
>>749769579Read The Brothers Karamazov. It’s a classic book that’s actually a good read.
>>749768876>slow life isekai is realistic, slow and edgy
>>749769579>1984Dude, 1984 is TRASH. 1984 makes teenage dystopian fiction like Divergent look like liquid gold.>DUDE WHAT IF THERE WAS A MIND-CONTROLLING REGIME THAT SECRETLY CONTROLLED ALL WORLD CONFLICT (WHICH IT ABSTRACTLY SHIFTED THE DIRECTION OF THREE TIMES A YEAR TO DEMONSTRATE TO THE AUDIENCE HOW QUEER AND PETTY THEY ARE) AND IF YOU CROSS THE REGIME THEY MAKE RATS EAT YOUR FACE UNTIL YOU LIKE THEM
>>749768652I'm reading Charles Murray's Human Accomplishments because people always quote stuff from it but I wanted to know exactly what the book had to say. It's been kind of tedious and I might just stop.>>749768747He's doing literally the same thing every author does: recycle their favorite stories but change a couple things they would prefer to see done differently. The difference between him and other authors is he said it out loud and the soi-filled fanboys went red in the face at the suggestion that their god could be, in any way, shape or form, fallible.>>749769685I tried reading Crime and Punishment and I got filtered by the long Slavic names.>Petrovicyc Merivogolod sat in the corner drinking to his lost Illyanavic Raspolotomin. And who could blame him? Who could forget Fyodoloduk Papamichelinmin!Nobody's name needs to be more than two syllables.
>>749756626>>749762252Redpill me on Malazan, why does it get sucked off so much?
>>749769834>book written by a man who actually experienced what he wrote about>some niggers brain breaks cuz he can't understand the idea of room 101 being a metaphor/catch all example of someone being mindbrokenYou're one stupid retard
>>749768652machiavelli's prince to finally see what the deal is with reddit's favourite ebil ruler guidebook. imagine my surprise when 9/10 of it was filled with shit like don't backstab your allies and you can't please all factions so choose your foundation and firmly support them and only a tenth was meanie weanie circumstantial advice like if you've already betrayed someone you'd better curbstomp them into oblivion because they'll remember it when they're in a position to return the favour.
Recommend me a book where the MC is an incel that DOES NOT end up getting a girl, I'm tired of all this normalfaggotry.
>>749722001I like The First Law seriesNot perfect, but I enjoy that the author plans his shit out before he starts writing. Also the character writing is great.
>>749755479Flowers For Algernon would have been my nightmare book when I was a kid. I did and still hate IQ reduction and mental retardation stuff SO much, and a book where a mentally handicapped man gets an experimental procedure to make him not stupid only for it to turn out to be faulty and for his IQ to degrade back into the toilet over the rest of the book is the most horrifying thing I could conceive of at that age, but that was then.Learning about this book as an adult, it's fucking laughable. The guy's IQ goes up to ONE-HUNDRED-AND-SEVENTY (which is a COMPLETELY arbitrary number, by the way, given that the highest recorded, living IQ in human history is greater than 220 and that guy can't even speak English) and then slowly goes back down so he's retarded again? After becoming a genius with the entire battle pass and two expansion packs? I mean, all I did was read a plot summary, so maybe the person who wrote it was a tub of crap and the book actually does detail him becoming a vegetable after the experiment starts failing, but from what I understand, he just becomes...disabled again? WHAT?
>>749768026No, try reading them before getting your opinion online
>>749770689A lot of famous strategy guides are like that, art of war is also mostly common sense stuff, but it's important to internalize that kind of stuff if you're gonna be waging war/politics for a living
>>749770939yeah i get it but for how bad of a reputation it has it's extremely mild and rational
>>749768652Started reading the Illiad, which I know is not a novel but shut up. Only read books 1 and 2, 1 was a lot of fun and much easier to read than expected, the first half of 2 was the same but then half the book is Homer giving a shoutout to every single greek civilization on earth. Still happy with it so far. Reading the Robert Fagles translation, if anyone cares.
>>749770654>IT'S A METAPHOR, BRO>A METAPHOR FOR...WHITE ROOMS WHERE RATS EAT YOUR FACEAs someone who has actually survived multiple American institutions and been in a cell before, I challenge any libertarian to create a more nonsensical allegory for abuse and forcible confinement than a fucking Aaron Carter room where the freak chick from Duckman blowtorches rats into your face.
>>749768652Les Misérables.
ready player one should be required reading for anyone visiting this board.
>>749771260I read it ages ago and I think my brain filtered out all the pop culture references because I just remember the plot, but whenever I see an excerpt of the book it's stuffed so full of references it's insufferable
How does Ready Player One stack up to Snow Crash, which is my favorite novel of that type? Snow Crash is more about the Matrix, mind control and guerrilla warfare in burgerpunk America than whatever RPO is about, but I imagine their readers have a lot of demographic overlap.
>>749769834It was funny seeing people that were pro flock cams describe them as “big brother” in a positive way.
>>749771161Sounds like they should have never let your retarded ass out. Fucking dipshit nigger
>>749769986I’d just call them Pete and Illy
>>749770704The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
>>749746841These three books are great.But Abercrombie wrote The Devils that is SUCH SHIT it's made me turn on him and think these were just flukes.It's the suicide squad but with classic monsters. That's the plot, that's the bit and it never ever develops even slightly from that idea.
>>749771161Libertarians don’t read anon. The only people that read are commies and fascists.
>>749727792Kingkiller is fucking terrible.
>>749771793Grim.
>>749771541Ready Player One is interesting for catching the zeitgeist of the redditor mentality flawlessly, but as a story it stinks and Spielberg is responsible for making it palatable on the big screen. I'm serious when I say that the MC is every single negative reddit user trope wrapped into a single socially-inept human being who sees Wil Wheaton as someone to aspire to be, and it ends up being unintentionally comical when you compare it to the inoffensive gen alpha protagonist of the movie.
>>749771161Are you implying that George Orwell was a libertarian?
>>749772236Maybe not an accurate label. Anyone who is anti-authority is a Republican in my opinion.
>>749722001Amongus has a more engaging narrative than any GRRM book.
>>749772297Stop talking like you have any clue what you're on about please
>>749772297He technically was a republican in that he volunteered for the Spanish Republican Army, only to see that everything people were saying about the USSR proved right. Him, Hemingway, and some other writers whose names elude me all got redpilled from that campaign.
>>749772484My favorite pastime is reading books from dead authors who would have crumbled to dust if you told them what a furry was.
>>749722029GRRM stole everything from France btw.Like most US movie makers.
>>749771541complete dogshit but if you're curious about old tech it's glossary is a really decent roadmap of terms you can look up
i quite vividly remember this character and EVERYBODY here was like dayum she a baddielook her up now
>>749727792>Wheel of TimeHow do you people exist? That series is awful. You're awful for enjoying it.
>>749770248It's pretty great. It's inspiration is better though. Read Black Company and Chronicles of Thomas Covenant instead.
>>749772661We're talking about the books, not the TV show.
>>749722001Some games get close, like ff tactics and dragonage o, but they all shit the bed with save the world bullshittery near their ends.
>>749772661>He doesn't think Casey Kasem's Top 40 Hits is more like America's Top Borety Pits
>>749772297That’s a silly worldview.
>>749772780The BOOKS are awful and you're awful for enjoying it. You retarded cultists tricked me into reading two books claiming it was just about to get good. It does not.>bro religious themes broFuck you.
>>749768876Read Canticle for Leibowitz.It's mature and hopeful and funny. And about making a Jew a Christian saint in a post apocalyptic world.Read Player One, not Ready Player One.It's insightful and sad and funny.It's just conversations in a bar at an airport and could be made into a great play.Read Between Two Fires.It's a road trip story with a disgraced knight, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST and a drunk priest.It will make you cry at how beautifully it tells a story of redemption.
>>749772971Filtered
Guys, I tried reading Atlas Shrugged. People were right. It’s trash…
>>749772236George Orwell was a based libertarian socialist, he fought with anarcho syndicalists in Spain, definitely not a republican faggot.
>>749772780the books are also unmitigated misandrist dogshit. literally the only redeeming part of that entire 20 some book series is when the asha'man show up and absolutely wipe the fucking floor with the ser'ai and dominate the shit out of those arrogant wenches. that and the last few books which were written by sanderson; as much of a hack as sanderson is, hes still better than that faggot jordan and doesnt have an obvious misandrist agenda to push
>>749742481Absolute kino, shame that few people here know about it>>749772661Filtered
>>749773031You’re arguing with someone that still believes in the American two party system. They probably haven’t even read a book.
>>749770704The Name Of The WindIt's such utter shit and the MC spends the entire series shooting down women so that he can keep chasing after his oneitis on dates with other men.
>It's like the 1700s>except with magic and shitPlease, make it stop.
>>749773084America has never produced a single effective President via any of its multiple parties.
>>749773220I couldn't finish the first book. Kvothe made me too pissy.
>>749722001A story is only as good as its ending and guess what this piece of shit series never getting. :^)
>>749773316Democracy, by its nature, prohibits leaders of strong character and vision. Their entire political career is decided by how many people like them. There is no room to be singularly effective or decisive. All they can do is fish for approval from people that are clueless about what's needed to keep the world from imploding.
>>749773061>misandristWhen it was published, it was lauded for it's evenhanded presentation of men and women and their gender dynamic.
>>749771862I liked the Shattered Sea trilogy. It's Diet Coke Game of Thrones with vikings but I thought it was fun.
>>749773352I had to finish the first and second simply because of how often it comes up in /vlit/ threads and shockingly it was absolute shit.I still can't wrap my head around this innkeeper with a demon slave/apprentice is actually like 30? and that all the things he is praised for don't fucking happen apparently until the last year before he retires to innkeep.
>>749773316Then how come America dominates the world?
>>749773489Anon I swear to god if I end up reading another Abercrombie series recommended to me by /v/ and it gets my hopes that he is a good author only to be disappointed again by a modern one off story of his.It'll have happened twice in my life and that's just odd.
>>749768652Tom's Crossing. I havent read any of MZD's work besides House of Leaves & this is his latest(?) so I picked it up. Pretty great so far actually
>>749773220Sounds like some cuck fantasy, pass.>shooting down womenNot an incel.
>>749773084Show where I said that lol
>>749773526Because, despite our representation by a small cadre of ultra-rich morons, the American people genuinely do harbor without a doubt the best people on the planet. It's a paradox or catch-22 where you're forced to deal with an ocean of morons to get to us, but you can't find us anywhere else on the planet, so we kind of just have to make do and congregate in places like these until we naturally terraform society and create a new, more optimistic world order.
>>749773676Blatantly not reading the signs of THIS GIRL WANTS TO FUCK YOU but you don't see it because it isn't "Becky! the first and only girl I'll ever love" is absolutely incel.
>>749773472>evenhanded representation of men and women>men literally cannot use magic without going insane and are hunted down and lobotomized or killed if they are born with it>women who have magic become the most unbearable, nasty, vindictive cunts to ever exist, practically glorying in the fact that they have a means to hurt men at any turn that they want to out of falsely perceived 'wrongs'>a huge plot point is the empire faction from across the sea who literally enslaves magic women and treats them like actual dehumanized animals in some of the most disgusting fetish-bait shit ive ever seeni dont think so, timbook's fucking dogshit
>>749773682You’re saying Republican is synonymous with being “anti authority” when there’s no evidence for that in reality whatsoever outside of Ireland.
>>749773031>libertarian socialistthis is like when faggots call themselves aromatic asexual or some bullshit. You can't just start slapping words together and pretend you're making sense.
>>749773636It's really weird that the first thing MZD fans picked up on with this thing is that it's a conventional story with no meta elements, because from the chapter or two I did read, the fact that's written completely in weirdo lowercase Dril text and there's two seperate instances of a horse shitting described in detail within those two chapters, it really seemed quite off its nut anyway.
>>749773369No, it has “potential” ending.
>>749773772>you're saying *thing you never said*Learn to follow a reply chain and distinguish one person from the exact person he's arguing with before you try posting, holy shit.
>>749773707Dude you had the good fortune of inheriting a massive, wealthy land mostly cleaned of natives by smallpox, and then of being an ocean away while all the other powers decimate each other and leave you to inherit the world by default. Don't get too full of yourself.
>>749726684MalazanSecond ApocalypseBlack Company
>>749773756oh sorry i forgot to mention the literal mind-slavery raping of will that is the 'warder bond' and the nauseating cultural 'custom' of wanting such a thing, which was of course instituted by those same magic having women the ser'ai. absolute fucking disgusting.
>>749773316How was James Polk not effective?
>>749773752>THIS GIRL WANTS TO FUCK YOUNot an incel, retard.
>>749768652Reading Dungeon Crawler Carl, The Eye of the Bedlam Bride. I wasn't on board with it at first, the whole RPGLit stuff rubbed me the wrong way, but the series is a very easy read, and by the end of the first book, I was interested enough in learning more about the multiple layers that the plot was going into.
>>749768652Finishing the last book in the Oddjobs seriesPretty good series. Pubfish and Rod are easily my favorite characters
>>749773707the american people that only riot when a nig overdoses on fent?
>>749773838>inheritedconquered*get it right
>>749772971*tips fedora*>>749768026the worst WoT book (book 2) is still better than the best GoT book (book 1)
>>749773936In order to conquer you need to fight an actual enemy, not just bully the remnant of a people who died of disease.
>>749759937She jammed that shit in her pussy.
Where's his high-quality reboot that completely revolutionizes the reading space?
>>749773836When I’m making a claim about “they’ll guy who tried to define Republican as being anti authority” and you come in saying “I didn’t say that” it’s assumed that you are the person being discussed. I could reply to any other post in here with “I didn’t say that”, and while that may be true, it’s irrelevant to the comment chain actually happening.
>>749773989hey i never said it was a DIFFICULT conqueringbut we took the land from other people. that is by definition conquering
>>749773756>>749773865>>749773061
>>749773526It’s the most fertile farming land on the planet and it’s protected on both sides by massive mountain ranges.
>>749773915Just finished Masquerade and I'm still really unsure if I hate or like the series.The first two are actively annoying being obviously one book split in two and neither having a good payoff. But each floors dungeon has been an interesting enough concept that I've kept reading and it was a series two of my nonreading friends have been reading alongside me.Gate has been the best with Masquerade being a close second so far.
>>749773962>the worst WoT book (book 2)...what
>>749774058yeah those are all me, whats your point?
>>749773908Retard. Every incels has 100% had an opportunity in their life to fuck a woman that they themselves fucked up.The most common one was ignoring signs from women who wanted to fuck them because they were mid-fantasy about some broad who didn't.That's part of what makes them so pitiful a human they are in prisons of their own creation.
>>749774020You literally are retarded. Go back and see what post the guy who you first spoke to made and realize that it's you who cant follow a conversation.
>>749774116The fact that we can feed the world 3 times over with what we produce today is nice. Autarky foodwise is immensely important.And having friendly and placid neighbors helps too.But agriculture alone doesn't let you dominate the world. And no invasions tends to make countries less warlike.
>>749774248i think you know perfectly well how thats a retarded statement to make. there are a lot of incels who are disgusting and utterly repulsive to women and always have been. such people have NEVER had an 'opportunity' to fuck that they just messed up
>>749774116You seriously think that is all it takes? Are you simple?
>>749771904>first-person perspective>miles of purple prose>the author's barely disguised fetishI never understood the appeal of Rothfuss
>>749774248>The most common one was ignoring signs from women who wanted to fuck them because they were mid-fantasy about some broad who didn't.Most often they miss those signs because they're socially awkward, and very likely the women interested in them is socially awkward too.
>>749774334>there are a lot of incels who are disgusting and utterly repulsive to women and always have beenOh look I spent 200 bucks and a have a dime and a half of blow. I can get my dick sucked regardless of how I look.Every internet incel absolutely has had an opportunity to fuck a woman that they just messed up.Every internet incel is upset that they can't get THE woman to suck their dick, not that they actually can't get it sucked.
>>749774471No shit? You think you had to explain fumbling women on 4chan?
>>749774521No, I had to explain it to that guy (girl?) I was responding to
>>749774550It's just me replying with the seven lads watching.I wish we were still talking about books.
>>749774119I'm curious what you feel isn't really meshing with you. For me it's always the game elements that take me out a little bit. Talking about the interface, or a hot bar, all of this stuff that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense, especially given the reality show nature of the whole thing. Since it comes up so much it can get annoying, but like I said I liked all of the sort of background plot going on that I think the overall world is interesting enough to stick with it.I kind of agree with you on Feral Gods and Masquerade though. The first three books feel very much like "Updated with new chapters every week" kind of writing (and the number of like two or three page chapters really brings that thought home) But with the fourth book on they really feel like okay, they're fully writing a book at this point.I think Gate of the Feral Gods I think is where we see a bunch of characters really coming into their own and the things they're best at really shining. Carls planning is really good. Donuts antics, Katia getting more assertive was real nice to see. Masquerade continues some of this stuff, but a lot of it is more off screen, especially with Katia's stuff, and well continuing a characters good trajectory is always less interesting than seeing them change course. I just feel like in Masquerade like, too much went wrong. Sure Carl achieved his goals, but it almost feels more like happenstance, rather than like in Gate of the Feral Gods where it was much more of Carl outsmarting the system.
>>749774298the problem with that has ALWAYS been logistics anon. getting the food where it has to go before it spoils.plus, frankly, i dont give a shit about 'starving brown countries' and im not afraid to say so. when somewhere in europe, the baltics or russia (slavics may be the lowest tier of whites but theyre still whites), then ill care
>>749774479if you think an internet spaghetti dropping incel has the connections to score dope then you are fundamentally not understanding what an incel are.incels dont have friends. they dont have connections to get drugs through. they usually dont even have jobs to get money to buy the drugs with. or buy hookers with.you are just wrong my guy
>>749774248>Every incels has 100% had an opportunity in their life to fuck a woman that they themselves fucked up.You're one retarded motherfucker.
>>749774425Well it allows you to stay out of other people’s issues and take everything over after they fight each other to the death. Yeah, that’s why America is what it is.
>>749774725>if you think an internet spaghetti dropping incel has the connections to score dope then you are fundamentally not understanding what an incel are.Just go to your local Republican club meetings, that worked for me.
>>749774479Thanks for immediately proving me >>749774898 right, I guess.
>Book thread on /v/ devolves into sub-English shitflinging competition between people who can't read
>>749774626It's honestly been how the stories of each book have been told and specifically in how they aren't their own story.The 1st was absolutely the worst case of this because it sets up a pair of "real" villains that seem tailor made to be the first payoff and yet it weirdly ends with them beating a floor boss and then a pet sidequest. It actively doesn't payoff what it sets up and make itself a story. The book just ends with Smaug flying off to destroy Burrowtown.Gates has been the best because Carl's assassination is his first step towards his actual goal and places him in a scenario that actually feels threatening for once.I just enjoyed the build up to the heist in Masquerade and every part of it playing out until I noticed I have like twenty pages left and the shit hadn't hit the fan yet and then it was just sorta wrapped up really really quickly.Down to all the players in the ballroom there is a great tension in the three way standoff taking place and then it just sorta ended.
>>749773816There is definately some "meta" elements to it but nothing like, or to the extent of, House of Leaves. I think Mark is just a turboautist about typography and ergodic literature, it's part of the charm of his stuff to me
>>749774948You sound very simple.
>>749775101stop wasting bandwidth shitskin
>>749775195>canned low effort response
>>749774725Today I learned I fundamentally don't understand what an incel is.I know a lot of really unfuckable guys with shit looks/personalities and mental issues that make them unable to sustain a conversation with women.Apparently I don't know what the bottom actually is.
was waiting for the chink shill to arive
>>749774334>there are a lot of incels who are disgusting and utterly repulsive to women and always have been. such people have NEVER had an 'opportunity' to fuck that they just messed upThat's not even the whole thing, this retard simply cannot comprehend that the entire world doesn't work exactly the way that his personal experiences did.Considering the next post he probably grew up in some shithole.
>>749775293The idea that there are men out there that haven't even been in a position to atleast bribe/coerce themselves into pussy is baffling and goes back to me thinking.>Every internet incel is upset that they can't get THE woman to suck their dick, not that they actually can't get it sucked.Not that apparently their are legions of crippled men who don't talk to other humans and who haven't even seen a woman in a bad situation that they could've taken advantage of.
>>749768876I agree mate. In the words of Dave WolvertonA story that fascinates is better than one that bores. A story that is eloquent is better than the baboon howlings of the verbally damned. A story that is profound, that transmits valuable insight, is better than one that is pedestrian or that is opaque. A story that speaks to many is better than one that speaks to few. A story that is beautiful in form is better than one that is inelegant, rambling or clumsy. A story that transports me to another world or that transmits experience is better than a story that leaves me sitting alone and troubled in my reading chair. A story that artfully moves me emotionally or intellectually is better than one that leaves me emotionally or intellectually anesthetized.
>>749775236>>749775101
>>749722001I really liked Elden Ring. GotD.
>>749775767Seething lol
>>749775747Then Dave Wolverton is a twat >A story that speaks to many is better than one that speaks to few.Is an awful sentiment for a writer to express. Writing specifically is the best medium for the niche, the obscure and the truly weird because it is really really really cheap compared to any other mass media.Writing is the expression meant to speak to the few and if it is of good enough quality to reaches the many.
>>749776085bootyblasted lol
>>749742481It's interesting how few games use cool little tricks like this. Last I can think of that did this is Psychonauts 2
>>749722001Game of Thrones is gay and lame. Only retards and Americans eat this slop up.
>>749775101What do you want me to do? Do you want me to give you a breakdown of the entire history of the west colonizing and developing the new world? How about slavery and industrialization? How about the CIA being created with the intention of being temporary only for it to become the octopus it is today? My point was simply that none of what America has done would have been possible if it were smaller, had worse farmland, and was less geographically secure. Geography is a key aspect as to why America is as successful as it is. It’s not a footnote. You’re the epitome of the average internet loser that thinks someone saying they like fried eggs immediately means they hate them scrambled. Many things built America. Geography is one of those things, and it is your simple mind that can’t comprehend discussing one aspect of a topic without constantly making deference to the rest of western history. It implies you might be illiterate.
>>749776207Idiotic but not unexpected opinion
