Radeon RX 9070 XT is the best value gaming GPU on the marketWhy do AMD GPUs get so much hate here again?
>>749781740Their drivers were historically shit.They're still shit, but nowhere near as bad as a decade ago.
>>749781740>no physx>no dlss>no rtx>no nvidia app>shitted drivers>no cuda>amd gpus also get putted in consoles>comes with stigma of being poor and indian>female ceo
>>749781740Currently less buyers remorse with amd cards
>>749781740LmaoSpending like $800 for the "privilege" of not having access to DLSS, RT or FG has to be the most cucked shit. It made sense when they were cheap, but AMD got greedy and they're way too overpriced now.
>>749782890>no physxWrong. https://github.com/UndeadBulwark/Proton-ZLUDA/>no dlssWrong. https://github.com/lonewolf0622/HelixSR>no rtxThat's just a brand name for raytracing. AMD GPUs have been capable of raytracing for four generations.>no nvidia appBloat.>shitted driversWorks on my GNU+Linux machine.>no cudaWrong. https://github.com/vosen/ZLUDA>amd gpus also get putted in consolesAnd?>comes with stigma of being poor and indianSince when?>female ceoAnd?
>>749781740It would be a much better value if it was actually msrp, but since every GPU is currently overpriced, and Nvidia GPUs even more so then yes its the best value on the market right now.I've had a 9070xt for over a year. The performance is good, my only complaints are that the card gets really loud and it needs more VRAM. Trying to do local AI shit is possible with AMD, just a massive fucking headache that isnt worth it. Not enough VRAM to do anything interesting, but the ROCm support for this card is great if you're on linux.FSR 4.0 is good. Ray tracing is mediocre but you dont need that gimmick shit. If you're just gonna play GTA 6 this is the card that will get you ultra settings with a smooth framerate for the lowest price. Though I'm gonna lower my settings deliberately just so my shit isn't so loud. It's seriously really fucking loud I can barely hear the game even with headphones.
>>749781740The drivers are pretty blackscreeny and crashy on windows, it seems that AMD cards are totally fine on linux distros.t. 5080 bro.
Windows trannies
>>749781740>cheaping out on your GPU that you will use for at least the next 5 years just for $200 worth of big macsfat fucking retards
>>749783068the 9070xt is like 400 dollars less than the 5070ti for the exact same or better performance
>>749785068Why get a 9070 XT? For a few hundred dollars more? Get a 5070 TI. Why get a 5070 TI? Few hundred dollars more than a 5070 TI? Get a 5080 instead.
>>749784974This is not 2020 anon, Nvidia nowadays have never failed to shat out driver update that doesn't contain serious bugs..Heck, they just rolled out hotfix for black screen yesterday.
>>749781740>radeonLOL
>>749785424AMD straight up broke Windows 10 compatibility when they released FSR4 support for RDNA3 cards not too long ago.
>>749781740My only issue with AMD video cards is that they perform poorly compared to nVidia cancer when it comes to AI stuff, thanks to how these language models have been programmed. My interest in playing around with image and video generation, and stuff like this, is really the only reason why I'd be looking to have my wallet raped by nVidia for my next video card upgrade. My current and previous three cards have all been AMD.
>>749785365>Get a 5080 insteadThis desu, or just wait for the 24gb variant instead.
>>749785498At least its only pertain to FSR4 usage... Nvidia latest black screen pretty much require you to reboot into safe mode to clean the driver.
>>749785365It's like $500 more for the 5080 TI, in my cunt. That said, both cards are currently disgustingly overpriced, with the cheapest of the 9070 XT going for around $1200.
>>749783275Physx was open sourced in 2015. AMD GPUs can raytrace since 2014, feature added later. That's 7 generations.
>>749781740its actually the gtx 1080. 8gb of vram, $100, single 8 pin power, its the best
>>749783275>>749784974>werkz on linuxbeware there are reports that the 7.2 kernel version has bad AMD GPU driver crashesincidentally, it's the first version to get significantly more vibeslopped commits, but it's surely a coincidence right?
>>749785532I used some software, ComfyUI, and I couldn't...for the life of me...render just a basic chess board connected to fifteen other chess boards. Just a picture of sixteen chess board put together. Was text to image.AI as a whole is probably paused, and extremely retarded. The better software are all probably illegal until the illuminati are not threatened by jail time from any of the common, typical desktop computer users.Don't wait up for AI to finally git gud.>>749785556NGL a 5080 is probably waaay too expensive. I can already play Microsoft Flight Simulator 40th Anniversary Edition at low settings, in VR, and with reasonable frames per second...but a 5080 is pretty much the next step up from a 9070 XT. Though nearly twice the price.>>749785653Just bought a 9070 XT for around a thousand. You paying in Australian dollars?
>>749781740amd cant generate 1girls
>>749785913>Just bought a 9070 XT for around a thousand. You paying in Australian dollars?Yeah, unfortunately.
>>749783275it's not just zluda anymore, rocm works on win11
>>749785365Are you retarded? This gen is dead. Amd is underwhelming and nvidia struggles performing its own gimmick because they all underspecced this gen because it's the "we lowballed to sell you the same again gen" even 5090s are underpowered, the only reason amd is currently allright is because all is shit and at least amd card aren't 1.5k for lower midrange.Whoever baught current gen without needing to was ultra retarded.
>>749786649I don't need to flight sim in VR, nor play unreal engine games with Unreal Engine Virtual Reality Injector...but I'm a gamer. I want to play. I am, and am having fun.tldr; Gamers gonna game. Not retarded. Just gaming.
>>749781740Objectively best value is the B580.
>>749783275>ZLUDAlarp
Buying a 5090 a year ago is the actual best value. I'm sorry you missed out
>>749788181It was alrdy underpowered for its price a year ago anon.
I have the non XT version of the 9070 since last year and it's been working for me very well on my gentoo box. What would I be missing from the XT version? Both cards have the 16GB VRAM? Would the standard 9070 work with the github projects that >>749783275 has linked?
>>749784920I have a sapphhire Pure. Playing Cyberpunk close to max setttings and its not loud at all. Definitely not as loud as you describe
>>749788181buying a 5090 for gaming is actually the dumbest thing you can do with your money
>>749788610Non XT is just missing 10% of the compute units of the XT. Not a huge deal.
>>749781740they never work
>>749782606They were fine a decade ago and they are fine today. Just like Nvidia's drivers. Anybody who believes anything else is a gaslighted retard.
Did they decompile nvidias drivers yet?
>>749788610I'm kinda interested in this too. I mean, my current RX6700 XT is having some heat problems (hotspot sometimes being 30C higher than "normal" temperature, random spikes 10C above and GPU only have 3 years), so I was checking current cards and don't really know what's the actual performance difference between 9060, 9060 XT, 9070 and 9070 XT and which one is most reasonable.
>>749781740i care more about gpu livespamis rx9070 more durable than xt ? surely a shill would knowthat card will sure run amazing, when i buy it, used in 2028, in pc build for 1000$ that now cost 2000$
>>749789131Buy the strongest 9070XT. 10% improvement is a lot. Just avoid Gigabyte models as you will have the same hotspot issues with those.
>>749781740>amd gpuno thanks im not poor
>>749789131My 6700XT has had bad hotspot for years. Undervolting takes care of it. (Too lazy to repaste)
Do you people live under the rock?It's been 2 years since Nvidia drivers got shit.
>>749789268>gigabyte my 9070xt is a gigabyte gaming oc did I fuck up? all the other models were at least $100 more
>>74978926810% sounds a bit small improvement but I guess that depends on price difference. Any other brands to avoid? My current RX6700XT is from Sapphire ("Pulse" non-OC version instead of "Nitro", had RX480 "Nitro" before and had to constantly watch over temperatures at some point because it would shut down when reaching 90C).
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>>749789652Imo, if the price isn't 10% more or thereabouts, it's a bad deal
Is the 9070 XT better than a 4070 Super? I never use DLSS or ray tracing so I'm thinking of getting a 9070 XT to replace my 4070 Super but only if I'll get a big boost in frames.
>>749789652You were well beyond the point of watching temps when you're shutting down from heat.1. Fix case airflow or take off the sidepanel.2. Repaste with a good long term paste. Nothing "extreme" that dries out in 2 months.
>>749790586Pointless sidegrade.
>>749789652Just avoid the ones with infamous 12 pin, connectors. I myself have Sapphire Pure, works great.
>>749790592That was long time ago, about 3 years and that RX480 was 8 years old or something around by that time. I simply got worried recently since 6700 was reaching peaks of 110C at hotspot (with 80C on normal), while fans would casually stay at 40%. At one game, however, Endless Legend 2, which could be "just" bad coding. But something is generally wrong with fans, I made profile for just this game and with a bit more step fan curve but instead it jumped right to 60% fan speed when game started and stayed there (which indeed kept temps at 60C normal/70C hotspot but still, it's odd).
>>749790887Good thinking. 60/70 is excellent, 110 is downright dangerous.
>>749790715>Sapphire Puke
>>749791113Still, it's odd that by default fans were still so low despite hotspot spiking at junction limit.
>>749791284That is definitely strange.
>>749782606I have no idea how nvidia managed to keep this meme around so many years after it was remotely relevant
>>749784920I bought the XFX Swift. No heat or noise issues at all. Maybe you should warranty your card and get a new one
>>749791358Old memes never die.Many faggots haven't used AMD/ATi GPU in their whole life but they know memes.
>>749784920>>749788809ASUS 9070XT here, 90% of Cyberpunk graphical settings turned to the max. I use FSR, raytracing, framegen, HDR, on a QHD ultrawide, and I get stable and smooth 144fps. And my CPU and RAM although above average are pretty much ancient at this point. My box should be fucking howling in pain, but apart from heating a bit around 60°C I don't hear a single thing and it plays very nicely.>>749782995This should be stated. I had a 5070 that achieved a bit less but about the same performance, even though I got it for 540€ it felt almost bad having it. Paid 850€ for my 9070XT, I have absolutely no regrets considering first of all the drivers that work magnificently and also most of all the compatibility AMD provides with mid-range monitors and the gaming Linux distros.
>>749791358A few months ago they released a driver update that broke multi monitor support and limited refresh rates to 60 btw.
>>749791472Waste of a good card playing such a garbage game
>>749788883You sure about that? My gpu appreciated by 5k€ since I bought it.How much did your appreciate amdjeet?
>>749782606AMD drivers are greatOnly thing that makes Nvidia better is CUDA monopoly, not chip techits insane when you look under the hoodEverything is suited for Nvidia architecture and Nvidias software, and if you bootleg some makebelieve hotfix that can emulate both on AMD architecture, like HIP currently is, AMD is almost on par with Nvidia in Nvidia world.If we had honest raw performance, not phonefilter mickeymouse AI FPS, AMD is easily x10 more worth in $/performance
>>749791502Whatever you say, retard.
>>749791547IF you dont sell it you will live to see you 5090 cost $1500You fool were already parted with your money
>>749791616I would actually not sell it even if it reached 10k, it's already a legendary collector's item couple days after it got discontinued. It just cool to own stuff when you're not poor
>>749791724holy goycattle
getting my Asus dual RX9060XT in mail today, got it for 520 usd equivalent, pretty chill price (the price has gone up like +35% since I bought it). will be nice to finally replace the decade old RX470.
>>749791724> it's already a legendary collector's item couple dayspeople said same for 1080TInot people buy it from Ebay for $50 you are just delulu
>>749791724>it's already a legendary collector's item
Is there anyone who can actually explain here why there is such a substantial price difference between the 9070 XT and the 5070 Ti? I bought a 4070 Ti SUPER about a year ago and have been largely under the impression that AMD cards are strictly inferior for people gaming on Win11. Is that true? Because if the anons ITT claiming that the shit really is $400 cheaper and pretty much exactly the same performance wise, then that makes the 5070 Ti a scam, pretty much. Which i honestly doubt.
>>749791986Nvidia stupid taxnothing else to it9070xt is twice better card that 5070ti
>>749791986Because NJudea is the Apple of GPUs and normalfags want muh cuda and muh gay AI features in latest pozzed AAA slop. None of these companies are your friend btw and AMD/Intel would do the same given the opportunity but NVidia is currently the worst.
>>749782606i have a 9070xt and admittedly the constant timeouts are inexcusablemy hd7850 and rx570 have ran without incident.
>>749792246honestly could be skill issue
>>749792084>>749792128Posts like these are unironically part of the reason why I bought an NVIDIA card. Do you clowns have any idea how fucking stupid you sound? Lmao
>>749785634I don't mean FSR4 not working under W10. The driver straight up doesn't function under W10.It's fixed, but that's a massive fuckup.
>>749792084i cant agree with this, i got both and my main pc has the 5070tiin a perfect world, if we just only gamed and games ran just pure raw shit, i think the 9070xt winsin our world, im forced to use the ai, raytracing crap is there, i do have a preference for DLSS if so, cuz its so widely supported, nvidia seems to have a gun to every devs head to use it, amd missed the boat by not forcing every dev to comply to FSR4, the last thing i run the nvidia daily for is just cuz of general ai shithowever, caveat, i got both cards at nearly identical prices a year ago (~720), if i had waited, the XT would actually be cheaper now (699ish), amd is so unloved in this regard, they didnt even get more expensive, they got cheaper now that amd flooded the market
>>749792343You bought Nvidia cause you are normie tard lol
>>749788809Same. Zero coil whine and can't hear the fans either.
>>74978174060fps on an AMD card feels like 30fps on an Nvidia card. Also lackluster features and drivers that might as well not exist.
>>749792246Back off your undervolt, retard.
>>749792084>is twice better card thatHoly ESL
>>749792717Coul whine never happens on low fpsBy low i lean 100fps and underTry uncapped CS2 instead of Cyberpunk and enjoy coilwhineAll GPUs have in on 300+ frames its not a fault its the way tech works
>>749789652XFX or Sapphire are the ones I'd go for but here's a bit of a comparison.
>>7497919865070ti gets bought up by smaller companies to make slopand nvidia soft discontinued 16gb cards, focusing on 8gb ones
>tfw no XTX Nitro+ wife
>>749792850The Pulse and the Pure should be almost identical. What's up with the big delta difference?
>>749796245It's just some retarded made up number. There is no real explanation what that "delta" even is.
>Novideouh oh connector melty
>>749781740did they unfuck the drivers?
>>749796245white makes it cooler
I've literally never had an AMD eGPU.
>>749796751I've never had an eGPU either.
>>749791474How come my dual monitor set up works fine then?
>>749796814I've never had an AMD dGPU either.
>>749782890you can't prove that jensen is male.
>>749788181Buying a 4090 at retail price was the best value.
>>749781740>Why do AMD GPUs get so much hate here again?/v/ is full of normies that would rather spend the same amount of money on the 5070 rather than the 9070XT because AMD had bad drivers in 2013.They also value CUDA even though no one uses more than once or twice.They would also prefer to use DLSS upscaling at all times rather than playing natively.
>>749796814I liked having my eGPU a while back; it was nice having a relatively light laptop for doing laptop things with, but for gaming at home, sitting at a desk I could get pretty close to desktop performance out of my gtx 1080 (2018 or so?)not sure if modern laptops with discrete GPU's are much lighter now, but back then to get any sort of decent performance you had to lug around a god damn behemoth -- even if you didn't really do any gaming while out of the house.
>>749797113>They would also prefer to use DLSS upscaling at all times rather than playing nativelyBecause TAA is the worst technology ever created.
I sold my 5070ti because it had nonstop driver issueswhen is nvidia going to fix their drivers on linux & windows they are worse than amd nowNvidia forums are nothing but driver issues unresolvedNvidia mega thread is full of driver issues on reddit and also on guru3d that place is older than 4chan and it's nonstop Nvidia issues there.>NVIDIA says 617.70 resolves some, but not all, cases of the black-screen issue. The company continues investigating the remaining cases>NVIDIA recommends opening NVIDIA Control Panel, selecting Manage 3D Settings, and changing Power Management Mode to Prefer Maximum Performance.>A separate problem involving G-SYNC becoming unavailable after a monitor wakes from sleep also remains under investigation.Yeah bro just disable VRR & make your GPU run at 150+ Watts at idle to "mitigate" the Nvidia driver issuesThe whole fukken world has driver issues on Nvidia on both Windows & Linux anyone saying it just works it's a fucking lying bitch faggotIm talking driver timeouts, crashes, stutterings, low frame rates, screen flickering, issues with multi monitor setup, the gpu itself behaving erratically
>>749797153The latest AMD iGPUs can rival the 3060 non-TI. Slap FSR4 on it and you can get some pretty great graphics at a very decent perfomance.Intel iGPUs should be reaching performance parity in the near future.
>>749797272This what happens when you get your PC advice from 4chan
>>749797239What is DLAAWhat is FSR Native AA
>>749797272enjoy your green brick
it's a genuine humiliation ritual at this point>5070ti is $350 more expensive than a 9070xt>12vhpwr can just decide to fuck your card up because it was made to sell more cards>windows 10 drivers won't get any more updates and linux drivers still suck shit
>>749797272Yeah Nvidia is terrible hardware & software now. If the GPU doesnt catch on fire then your drivers will.
>>749797272vibecoded ai drivers
>>749797272It's strange because for a veeeery long Nvidia had amazing drivers both on Windows and surprisingly on Linux too.I think they're trying so hard to rush the next iteration of DLSS at the best performance possible, that they keep breaking shit all over the code base.I look at it this way: Remember what happened to Intel? How they stagnated and AMD's CPUs eventually surpassed them? If Nvidia stagnates than AMD GPUs could do the same. To prevent stagnation Nvidia needs to aggressively innovate and keep AMD chasing breadcrumbs. After all, the industry follows Nvidia, not AMD. So whatever Nvidia shits out, the industry will swallow it - doesn't matter if it crashes or burns.
The only interesting gpus are intel and qualcomm. amd is boring because it works so well and nvidia has no driver
>>749796245From my understanding of that confusing image, the triple fan design already does enough to keep it cool so cranking it up to 100% doesn't do much... But wouldn't that be a good thing?
>>749797627if nvidia doesn't invest into chiplets they're going to lose to amdwhen they can glue 16CU chiplets together, there's nothing nvidia can do
>>749797707> chipletsRDNA4 doesn't use chiplets though. RDNA3 had them but AMD seems to have abandoned that idea on GPUs - at least for now.
>>749797707>if nvidia doesn't invest into chiplets they're going to lose to amdIt doesn't matter if Nvidia keep releasing gigantic, expensive monolithic chips because they have CUDA and the industry uses CUDA. That simple.
>>749797627The Intel/AMD scenario can never happen between Nvidia/AMD because AMD is essentially controlled opposition. AMD graphics are fine, but they'll ensure that it never gets to the point that Nvidia starts getting cannibalized.Their CEOs are literally cousins.
>>749796245they are identical when you equalise the numbersthis is some retarded extrapolation based on weird fan curves
>>749797272You will download the pajeet vibecoded drivers and you will be happy
>>749797761rdna4 isn't a full generation, it's a stopgap mostly, a tech demo flexing their per CU gains gen on gen>>749797823cuda is not exactly a hard spec, when they reunite compute and gaming with udna they'll recover
>>749797875This graph is a bit bullshitty because not every card uses the same samsung vram, which runs at a significantly lower temperature
>>749781740>Why do AMD GPUs get so much hate here again?This is the shill board, Anon, it's full of thirdworlders making artificial posts about products.
>>749798013>rdna4 isn't a full generation, it's a stopgap mostly,I would call RDNA1 and 3 the stopgap or beta generations. 2 and 4 were and still are amazing architectures.
>>749792246Don't bother undervolting your card. The RX 9070 XT already runs very efficiently. Especially if you have a good card like a PowerColor Hellhound, which is already set nearly to the bare minimum voltage by the manufacturer. This was not always the case, but it is today.
>>749798143Sapphire Pulse here. Could undervolt -30mV. Been running fine since release.
>>749798123they're still not taking rdna4 that seriously and are going all in for udnardna4 had no mobile silicon
>>749798234that was practically before they were taking AI seriouslyit's probably safe to say situations are completely different today.
>>749798143Silicon lottery is always worth playing around with. My pulse 9070 non-XT does -55mV no problem. Bumped it down from -60mV after getting some hangs in NMS a month ago, but that game is pretty jank in the graphics department.
>>749797272thats why nvidia stock price is worse than amd
>>749797410honestly give it a little bit more time, MS is apparently incapable of NOT shooting themselves in the foot, which means linux will continue to improve at an even faster rate.
>>749782606Confirm. The worst part about amd stuff is their software. >t.9800x3d+9070xt asus tuf
Depends on the region. When I was buying when prices weren't as bad a year or so ago the 9070xt was still a fair amount more than a 5070 which was the only card retailing for around msrp at the time. I did the math and the 9070xt was around 20-25% faster on average than a 5070 but the price was also 25% more and you also lose the nvidia features by going amd so I decided to just save money and get the 5070. I'd have preferred the 5070 ti but that was another 15% more than the 9070 xt.
how long will i have to keep my 7900xtx i wonder.. will the price/perf ever make a worthwhile upgrade?
i bought mine on launch day for msrp and i feel very lucky
>>7498011109070XT is only faster than yours in RTIt seems RDNA5's flagship will target 5080's performance, at hopefully much better efficiencyI'd probably wait until RDNA6 or UDNA. I'd definitely buy the architecture that comes after the architecture PS6 will use. So if PS6 uses RDNA5 then waiting for RDNA6 or UDNA would be the best decision in my opinion. Or Nvidia's equivalents.
>>749801308actually helpful post/10thx bro.
>>749801308???9070xt has 64 CUs and the 5080 is only about 20% betterrdna5 and udna are the same thingnext flagship will be between 96 and 154 CUs
