How do we feel about The Lion himself appearing in Dawn of War IV?
How about the gameplay? Is it any good?
>>749842386That's not relevant to the discussion.
>>749842386Seems pretty meh desu.The devs are really hyping up pvp which concerns me.Hopefully the campaign/story is solid enough to play
wh40k is one of a few IPs that really taught me to stop caring about lore
>>749842386Every single gameplay video consists of both guys marching their dudes into a chokepoint to die. There's no cover, no vehicles, no artillery (besides one-click call ins), no flanking. Seems like a very stale game.Hate Dark Angels. Gimmie BLUD RAVENS
>>749842279I've never known a single irl dark angels fan.In fact I don't know exactly why but DAs as a whole just come off very cringe, like someone's OC faction. Or like they were just transplanted from some other setting/game.Maybe it's the fact that they have a "secret" that literally everyone knows about and their entire existence revolves around it, as if it matters at all.Or the weird "knight" theme that Grey Knights do better anyway.
>>749842932I had a childhood friend who had a Dark Angels army. 100% of the 40k players I knew IRL were Dark Angels fans.
>>749842279Almost certainly a GW mandated decision to push mini sales, there being no blood ravens specific plastic men to sell
>>749842279https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/How%20do%20we%20feel%20about/filename/Lion/type/op/Why?
>>749843002I have no idea why. Honestly I'm baffled.I guess the Ultramarines are too normie, BA too gay so DA is the most common normie pick
>>749842279Why do you keep making this thread?
>>749842279What in the fuck? Is this real?Mechanicum better get a fucking titan. Your gene-editing can't compete with a god-engine.
>>749842553Apparently it's going to have 48 levels, 4 times as long as DoW1. I haven't heard if that's segmented into 4 separate campaigns and not one mega long one, but we'll find out I suppose.
>>749843002>>749843090maybe it's because they have a nice aesthetic
Is Lion the most boring primarch? What does he even going for him?
>>749843316Fulgrim.
>>749842279imperiumfags will look at this skull-adorned, red eyed armor and then tell you without a hint of irony that he is one of the good guys
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>>749843316Lion's interactions with his brothers is cool, really cool>Most boringhow do you forget mr angry
>>749843354Problem, heretic?
>>749843316kinda weird how they resurrected a character whose defining trait was getting killed
>>749842279Primarchs returning is the worst thing about NuHammer
>>749843401Man I love AdMech.
>Portotardo is returning>His next appearance will coincide with Total War 40kKino incoming..
Feels good to be a 40k chad
>>749843445what the fuck is even heresy? not wanting to worship a corpse? daring to wish for a better life?
>>749843457Ferrus?
>>749843591no, glup shitto
>>749843173Something about that reads like the HoTS 26 missions! When 8 of them were the evolve missions.
>>749842279>How do we feel about The Lion himself appearing in Dawn of War IV?mehPrimarch armor can only do so much against super heavy ordinance
>>749842279It's really ???????????????? since a primarch is on so many power levels above what you see on the scale of 40k that the other factions should be able to bring in titans
>>749842279Blood Ravens are cringe OC. Fuck them.
>>749843729It's only a campaign thing and someone/thing just as strong probably appears for the lion to rape
>>749843316I'm mad and I'm mad about being mad.We love you for being so mad about being mad.Kill yourselves because you can't mad to my level of mad.We mad ourselves mad retarded to better understand your madThat makes me mad
desperate times, I get it. literally any idea is good enough to keep the story going. like star wars, or marvel.
>>749843782Is this supposed to be a Black Hawk Down reference?
>>749843817
>>749843830Nah, not yetSOON the desperation will start because 11th ed fucking flopped because James is shitting out too much and it's too expensiveTheir valuation dropped 480milly btw get ready for MORE PRIMARCH WANKGULLIMAN!!!!RUSS!!!!ANGRON!!!!
>>749843782>Blood Ravens are cringe OC.>t.got his shit stol'd
>>749843809Still. It's kind of whack in terms of the power level. Do the Orks get to bring in a Beast? Necrons get to bring in the Silent King? What does the Admech even have on that power scale?I'm not mad but Son of the Forest had the Lion essentially curbstomping everything in his path and Guilliman's revival reversed the invasion of Ultramar and Guilliman is regarded as one of the mediocre primarchs in terms of martial ability
>>749843854Yes it is.
>>749843526hes a big guy...
>>749843970>What does the Admech even have on that power scale?Cawl
Dumb idea, like Calgar showing up in SM2You know the writer isn't allowed to kill them like they could with OC characters, so it harshly limits the possibilities for the story, and they inevitably steal the spotlight by their very presenceIt also just does a lot to undermine the 'million worlds of the Imperium, this setting SO BIG bro' notion when the same named characters pop up in everything, like Cadia is long gone and yet Cadians are still the default regiment for all writers, even the ones in SM2 were Cadians
>>749844208I haven't read his novels but is Cawl really up to the same power level as the Lion, The Beast or The Silent King?
>>749842279couldn't give one single shit, since this franchise has been marked for turbo pozzingmiss me with all this faggot shit, nigger
>>749843316The most boring primarch is ferrus because he's fucking dead and just stays there
>>749842932>>749843090Dark Angels look cool.
>>749843423What as the Lion actually DONE though.As flat of a character as Angron is, at least I know of a few things he has done.All I know about the Lion is that he grew up on a feudal world, was sleeping in the Rock until recently, and his sons are paranoid little shits.
>>749844474I think he recently woke up, gathered the Fallen and offered them to return.That's pretty much it.
>>749844287He's one of the top dogs of the AdMech so absolutely would wreck shit given that he has access to the best AdMech has to offer.
>>749844474He was revived by GAMES WORKSHOP.It's a notable feat that automatically means he'll be the bestest boy for atleast a few years.
>>749844287After ten thousand years of replacing his squishy bits with metal he's the size of a carnifex. For real, Cawl and carnifexes use the same size base.
>Dark Angels>medieval space marines>Black Templars>medieval space marines>Gray Knights>medieval space marineskinda redundant, should've been just one faction with that theme
>>749844474>What has the Lion actually done THOUGH.
>>749844547I hate the dark angels, but if he gets them away from the fallen and they stop caring about that then maybe he can redeem his garbage legion
>>749843316Brentonian Knight aesthetic while also being the absolute best swordsman out of the entire Primarch collection.Currently probably the only person alive in lore than could theoretically 1v1 Daemon-Prince Angron and slap his shit.One of the reasons (among many others) Horus lowered his shields to fight the Emperor is because The Lion and Rouboute were about to arrive at Terra, and Horus and The Lion had BOTH previously stated that Lion el Johnson would win that fight, if it came down to it.Meaning that the man that was empowered by every Chaos God and was the Warmaster of the Primarchs chose to have a final fight against The Motherfucking Emperor, rather than be humbled by his brother.But then his planet collapsed onto him (no, really) and he took a 10,000 year nap.And he's also bland as heck and comes off as legitimately autistic in the books.
>>749843526It's time to bring back Dorn.
>>749844805that's kind of the problem, he boils down to "guy is really good at fighting like a knight" and then that's it. no personality, no interesting stories about him, no banter, no interactions with major characters or factions that are interesting, etc..
>>749844687Crusaded in the great crusade and getting things done and stabbing Leman Russ for not taking their previous duel seriously
>>749844684Dark Angels used to be American Indian before woke faggots started with Indian erasure
>>749844929also made me chuckle because he thought his aged up self after waking up was some demonic sorcery at work. His accusations even confused the daemon he was fighting.
>>749844920Nope. He has one thing and that's "Sword gooder."It sucks, but that's what he's got going for him. Hopefully he gets some actual character development, soon. He's been back from the dead for years, already.
How do we feel about the massive Deathwatch push lately?The chaosgate game looks nice, they're going to have a full ass animated season of tv too soon
>>749845118>Denuvo
>>749845118I’m more glad Tau are appearing as enemies for once. Hope they’ll appear more frequently.As for the Deathwatch push the deathwatch kill team has sold extremely well and is one of the most popular kill teams. So that’s likely why.
>>749845062He can also Nightcrawler across interstellar distances now. So technically he has two things. Three if you count The Emperor's shield.
>>74984340140K has officially become reddit
>>749842279he is old
>>749842279Excited for Dorn in V.
>>749844684>dark angels gay teamkilling fucktards, with the lion back they do less teamkilling but they're still gay >gray knights mary sue holier-than-thou purest of the pure snowflake marines, also teamkilling fucktards to the point it had to get retconned a bit >black templarsactual space knights, supposed to be the belligerent psychopaths but they get along well enough with a lot of other loyalists especially their brother chapter the Crimson Fists
>>749844684>Anglo knights 1200 ad>Templar knights 1000>Germanic knight 1600
>>749845343>My favorite homoerotic gang of faggots is better than yours!Pull your head out of your ass.
Ever since the heresy, the Primarchs haven't really done anything.>inb4 but muh Girlyman running the Imperium!He might as well not run it at all considering that he changes nothing of note
>>749845437ok faggot don't wet yourself
>>749842279nice shield you got there
>>749845571Put it back Gabe.
>>749845204Oh, right, he became a psyker after 10,000 years and can teleport to a forest in the warp that has safe paths to travel anywhere he needs to go for the plot.And also the Emperor's Shield was in there, for some reason that is never explained. Also suspicious since he's never depicted as even USING a shield.Whatever. At least the forest path thing means it makes sense for him to be everywhere he needs to be.
>>749842279Honestly I’m surprised Bobby G isn’t the one making the first out of book debut.
>>749845849All the primarches are psykers, most of them never bothered to develop those abilities. The only loyalist that's really made any effort to is Corax, who is now some manner of bird shadow thing that follows Lorgar around and beats his ass for being Lorgar(as would anyone that had the means to do so).
How is Dawn of War 1 (incl expansions) still the only good one?
>>749842279>copying the low detail models they use for the tabletop gameGW once again getting mogged by fan projects.
>>749846119I am in the minority that liked DoW2, but DoW1 feels more like a 40K game. DoW2 is basically a Company of Heroes 40K mod that was done very well.
>>749843173>Apparently it's going to have 48 levels>8 tutorial levels, leaving 40>10 of those are side missions (read, 10 minute spinoffs that have no relevance to the game) leaving 30>6 of those are locked behind DLC, leaving 24>8 of those are unlockable challenge missions, leaving 16>And 4 of those are sandbox style 'do whatever' missions outside the campaign, leaving 12 actual missions for the 4 factions, 3 per faction like in DOW3You know it to be true
>>749846680The fact that they've been just shilling 2v2s and multiplayer gives me no hope... another dow3...
>>749842932In both 30k and 40k, they're marines with a modest amount of extra drip and cool toys whilst still being somewhat vanilla, leaning closer into the idea of marines being akin to space knights, just more Arthurian. Contrast to the Crusader style for Black Templars, or Grey Knights being more akin to high fantasy paladins, and the two of these also deviate further from being similar to OG marines in gameplay.
>>749842279Love to see Newfags getting a headache with the Dark Angels. Those assholes are next level traitors.
>>749843354Yeah, problem?
>>749844805The only downside of the Brettonians is that they're partly, and forgive me for saying this, French.
>>749849298>Look cool as fuck>Aren't the good good guys so they just get ignoredBretbros....
>>749844805Yeah but Brettonian questing knights is someone you actually want to meet. In Warhammer Fantasy Battle a questing knight announcing their presence is demoralizing for most evil creatures and instantly rejuvinates the good guys.The Lion does the exact opposite of that, minus the demoralizing on his enemies. His children are worse in every way too as they are plagued by a shame for betrayal that makes no sense to be secretive about 10,000(+) years later.
>>749844805>>749849298They're Arthurian not Bretonnian you dumb zoomers.
>>749846680I think a better judge of the quality of the campaign will be to look at the company's other RTS, Iron Harvest. Which was....fine, but I wouldn't call it particularly good. Which is what I would call the game as a whole, but with a tad too many long winded cutscenes for an RTS game.
>>749849418why they got french accents then?
>>749849458The CGI trailers and set pieces they've shown us for DoW4 are really cool though, I hope we get some cool cutscenes in game too
>>749849418You know Brettonia is based of Arthurian legend, right?
>>749842279Horus Heresy and it's consequences have been devastating to 40k as an IP. It sucks that the thing I dedicated so much time and thought to is now one of the lamest things out there. Marvel slop at best.
>>749849458>Iron Harvest. Which was....fineIt was one of the most fucking boring and rock-paper-scissors RTS on the market lmao.
>>749845118Deathwatch are cool enough, why should anyone have a problem. The helmets look stupid though.
>>749844024for Dorn
>>749843401>reddit: the character
>>749849517Yes, Mr. 200IQ Big Brain, Bretonnians are also Arthurian.
>>749845118Interested. But the gameplay of Daemonhunters was not good enough for me to slog through the whole story.
>>749846218Gw is forcing developers to have the units look exactly like the tabletop. Every design change has to be sent to GW for approval.
>>749844267To be honest Lion did fuckall and nobody even remembers he is back. Unlike Calgar and Guilliman which are everywhere
>>749846119I generally like both DoW1 and 2 but for different reasons. 1 is a more traditional RTS but emphasizes map control and aggressive play. 2 is small squad based tactics meant for at least 2v2 team play, and the campaign is almost a full on arpg but you control multiple characters instead of just 1. Sometimes I want one more than the other, but 3 kind of throws out both styles to not quite be a MOBA and an RTS at the same time and isn’t good at either.
>>749844684All Marines are Medieval Space Knights. And yes, this includes Egyptian Space Knights, Mongol Space Knights and Viking Space Knights. Being Space Knights is their basic, core aesthetic onto which other themes are bolted
>>749842279Dork Angels supplanting the Blood Ravens in their own franchise, its ogre
>>749845118Was a huge fan of Chaos Gate Daemonhunters, curious to see what they cook up with the concept of spending different points on different team compositions. I really hope Grey Knights come back in it, shouldn't be too hard since they're part of the forces of the Inquisition, but I guess we'll see
>>749845118Deathwatch are cool, they're just usually set up as jobbers which is sad.
>>749844287They wank him really hard since he's such a recent invention.
Lion returning is cheap, he's a combat primarch who is very much in his element in 40k since his earliest days was whacking chaos shitters and very dangerous xenos. It's like dropping a pit bull on a playground full of children and babies.
>>749844684Problem is that GW wants the first foundings to be the main characters, when the actually popular knight chapter is the templars.
>>749845118It was pathetic in Rogue Trader Infinite Museion. Owlcat blatantly had to put in them on GW demands, most likely due to Kill Team Tomb World releasing few months back.>Enter small Trazyn Museion>Meet random Deathwatch marine>Free him and only him even though tons of other cool characters being present, including other Imperials and Eldar which would be sensible to free to join forces or a Zoat which could be actually interesting to interact with>He won't join you and instead wants to stay being all mysterious on a secret mission. Alone. In a hostile territory where he was trapped once already.>Basically he lore dumps Deathwatch fluff, which feels extremely out of place at that point in story and fucks off>Meet him again near the end of the dlc>He shows up to help in one minor fight>Won't help you fight Trazyn saying it's pointless since he can't be killed since he uses spare bodies all the time>Fucks off again to work on his secret mission>This is despite you being responsible for a full scale invasion on this Museion, a full blown siege due to which Museion starts to fall apart and everything is set free in it>Actually destroy Museion in process and leave>He is still utterly irrelevant and never heard from againReally felt like GW just told them to make sure Deathwatch is in and their lore explained as an advertisement so they put him in with the least screentime possible and being utterly irrelevant to the plot just to complete deal on their end. Deathwatch was GW mandate, not Trazyn, a named character Owlcat was finally allowed to use. Which they tried previously already with Vect, but GW blocked them.They make perfect sense for a Chaos Gate though. Natural direction after making Grey Knight game.
>>749846218Death of Hope was true kino, even if guy was nowhere near as skilled at animation as Astartes guy and bit off more than he could chew. It felt more 40k than Astartes.
are the eldar cool?
>>749852806They're designated jobbers.
>>749852850That's the Tyranids.
>>749852850that's the books' problem, i am talking about the cool factor, you know weird weapons and machines and such like fun shit
>>749852896I removed the comma, damn my bad
>>749852806very
>>749853971this looks goofy but not bad
>>749852806the 'coolness' of any faction in 40k and entirely dependent on how much you like them.if you like them a lot then sure. they are cool.
>>749852806In the grim darkness of the far far future...Elves.. Riding... Dinosaurs...
>>749854310kinda wish the exodites looked less fancy and spiffyit looks neat but like it would be sick to see a non dark eldar sub faction that looks you know a bit not eldar-ish for a change or a little less proper and sleek, you would think cavemen eldar are that
>>749854438We got space High Elves, Dark Elves, that the Exodites could've been a shoe-in for Wood Elves. But GW has been consistently shafting any army that isn't Marines (Imperial or Chaos) for years now. They weren't going to anything like that.
Lion El isn't exactly a very interesting primarch. Dunno why they're using him.Of the remaining loyalists you have Corvus, Vulkan, Guiliman, Russ, Genghis Khan and then technically you could use Omegon if you were insane. Guiliman is already active and so would be reasonable to use in a story in some capacity, three of the others have just 'vanished into the Warp', Vulkan is momentarily dead but will be back shortly, and Omegon is probably also dead but calling a character Omegon and then not having it be Omegon would be pretty funny. Out of those Lion is the most boring option. Only reason to use Dark Angels is for the Dark Angels murder-boner for traitors, but you can slap that on any legion.
>>749842279He's a big guy
>>749852806Harlequins are pretty cool.I like that story about the Cegorach play where there's a performance of harlequins where they act out how Cegorach tricked a C'tan into eating other C'tan and collapsed it into a black hole, which ends with the troupe bowing to the audience before the black hole starts to rupture and even the Eldar playing Cegorach becomes scared, indicating the Outsider C'tan is coming back. Spooky stuff.
>>749855106wasnt the deceiver the one whooh never mind 40k lore is all over the place
>devs say that gabriel angelos isn't in the game because he'd be "too overpowered" for the story they're trying to tell>"yeah anyway heres a primarch, the intent is to be OP"theres no reason for dark angels to be in this game other than to steal the spotlight from the blood ravens, because games workshop wants to advertise dark angels?everything just feels too clean, sanitized and corporate with this game
Confirmed blood ravens are sons of the lion now, they re his seed
>>749852539>Which they tried previously already with Vect, but GW blocked them.Did they really? I hadn't heard this.Got a source?
>>749852806they got cool designs, but their lore is garbage and they're the POTENTIAL MAN of the settingalso they're very expensive to collect on the tabletop (compared to other armies that is)
>>749857076All so GW can push a Dark Angels kill team and refresh? That’s fucking gay.
>>749852806Design wise? Yes. Everything else? No.
>>749857389this is just an anime girl
>>749842279Literally the lamest loyalist primarch.
>>749857610>>749857610When are they bringing him back...
>>749857589you'll never guess what Eldar are based on.
>>749857684elves?
>>749857696and?what's the really obvious answer you don't want to say that I'm implying here?
>>749857076Nah, the Blood Ravens borrowed Dark Angels' primarch, by accident.
>>749857748isnt that the tau?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CXswOYugyE>That faction you liked? Gay>Get saved by GW's mandated push chapter!
>>749857794Lol did they really offscreen cyrus
>>749857767it's both, Eldar have a lot of thematic designs based on classic anime, while Tau have themes based on more modern anime.here's an example from the 1990s, it's called Iria: Zeiram the animation fuck I hate the japs and their shitty names for things
>>749849298I have always be amazed by my country abilities to make foreigner irrationnaly seethes by the mere mention of its name and by doing litteraly nothing.
>>749858157The same is true for the UK it's just a Western European thing
The Dark Angels are cool but I genuinely don't get why they're in DOW.
>>749843782>blood ravens>"""original""" contentblood ravens are anti-OC
>>749857996ok i guess
>>749843401>aura farmingWhy did the internet adopt nigger babble?
>>749858709yeah it's not exactly exciting, but still a minor piece of trivia.
>>749842279The biggest indicator for quality of writing of DoW 4 is if Lion El Johnson is actually killableImperium wank is on the rise in BL and in tabletop because of Astartes and SM2, a lot more people buy into the hype that the imperium wins by default instead of just being another playable faction.Worse, Lion is a primarch which means he gets wanked extra hard as a "main character" of 40k and he himself is jerked off as being the best primarch so a lot of people expect him to be unkillableIn Battlefleet Gothic Guilliman was killable and capturable by other factions, and in tabletop both returned primarchs are defeatable, and i can only hope that continues in this game
>>749858786Teens are dumb.
>>749843970>Son of the Forest had the Lion essentially curbstomping everything in his pathnta but from memory that book and AoO had him genuinely struggle at points. He lost his edge from his youth, was about to be gunned down by obliterators without his sword, got immobilised by a sorceror (though that guy was metal af) and the only reason he survived angron was his new shield
>>749844287The lion is leagues below the silent king. The silent king has like 3 sentences of fluff of him actually fighting and he's jerked off harder than great crusade era emperor (which is good)
>>749852806No, they had eons to make the galaxy a better place but did the opposite instead. Also despite the fact that the majority of their race are basically cenobytes who created a new chaos god, they still somehow believe themselves better than humans. It's made especially ridiculous when you consider the fact that the Eldar had all of their ability and technology handed to them and never advanced beyond that, whereas humans came from dirt and built even more advanced technology despite the fact humans had existed for 0.5% of the time the Eldar had. Even after the end of the golden age, humans just picked themselves back up, conquered the entire galaxy and started working on getting into the webway. And yes, E is human, perpetuals are a human mutation.
>>749857610Nah>Sanguiniusplot device with insufferable writing>Ferrus even duller plot device who gw had to retroactively prop up>Vulkantumblr-esque comfort character who nobody can decide the personality of>Russa pretty good flawed character, but sw fans are even more retarded than the average marinefag so only care about him always winning>Khanthe same as Russ but he's more obscure so his fans have an air of smugness around themPrimarchs are the the 40k equivalent of girls reading their zodiac sign
>>749859794i know that perpetuals are humans
>>749842279like fuck off GW with your blatant forced advertisement
>>749842279Fucking shit. Primarchs are awful for story trying since it always ends up with power scaling wank. When is CAPTIAN DICKITUS BUTTICUS you can do whatever you want
>>749843574
>>749859158devs said he's overpowered, I don't think he'll be able to be killed and it'll be a power fantasy
>>749859794>humans came from dirt and built even more advanced technologythey needed a ctan lol>despite the fact humans had existed for 0.5% of the time the Eldar hadso what you're saying is that the imperium burnt itself down in a century when it took the eldar 60 million years>they still somehow believe themselves better than humans.they kinda are though, at least in regards to chaos. Most branches of the eldar race after the fall immediately rectified their society to protect against slaanesh. Harlequins have their god actually actively protecting them, craftworlders and exodites way of life protects them and their actual day to day life is only described as pleasant. and even the dark eldar took steps to actually protect against chaos by living in commeragh where demonic incursions are a rare footnoteThe imperium makes a big point of being a bulwark against chaos but the raped emperor effectively made a galaxy wide civilisation optimised to feed all 4 of them. 99.9% of chaos worshippers are humans because 40k humans are the most gullable creatures in the setting and the imperium produces whole herds of dumb cattle ripe for any cult leader to convert. That's also why almost every genestealer cult is human despite the fact that to every other faction they're a minor pest that they've only lost to maybe once
>>749858786Because white culture is a waste, not cool, and morally repugnant.Black culture is cool, appeals to the youth, and speaks truth to power.
>>749859158>Imperium wank is on the rise in BL and in tabletopPrimarchs have been a joke for the last 4 editions on the tabbletop. Yeah, they are occasionally broken but "Shoot them off the board" has always been a option. Lion himself was a punchline for like two editions for being a 500 point model that somehow barely justified 200 points.40K in general hasn't been herohammer for a long time. HH is closer, but it also has some truly wacked out options from Forge World.
GIVE ME BEST BOYCORVUS CORAXNEVERMORE
>>749845239Your at least 10 years late anon
>>749842386so far looks like DOW2 which in my opinion is not a very promising.
>>749857610He's the one who matured and mellowed out. Prime Lion is honestly only a Loyalist because fuck Chaos.
>>749860608it's such a damn shame corax basically got branded as the emo raven when he's one of the few balanced ones
>>749860665Honestly imagine that's the case for most Primarchs nowadays. Khan didn't even like the Imperium when the Emperor was still alive. Guess Leman Russ probably wouldn't care much. Though he's supposed to have turned into NOT Odin anyway.
>>749842279bringing back primarchs was a mistakethey were better as distant mythical demi-gods
Has this cunt done anything since he woke up?
>>749860564i was refering less to primarch models and more the recent changes to marine and custodes stat lines that make them more elite at everyone's expense. Some marine units move faster than eldar now
>>749860449>speaks truth to power.Twerking is truth? blacks are against power?
>>749860847He's on the other side of the galaxy from Guilliman so he doesn't get much attention.
>>749860774Girllyman is basically set up to be sit in Big E
>>749860742he's a good mix between good hearted and a rutheless pragmatic
>>749860742You can judge a Primarch's value by how useful they would be in peace times. Corax specifically wanted to write a book on governing comparable to Codex Astartes.
>>749860915Imagine the conversation when they meet>So what have you done>I uhhh came over here. It was pretty far>How about you>I fought mortarion got my ass handed to me>Oh then dad possessed me and we had a little chat>Now I'm rewriting to codex because holy fuck are spess muhreens dumb and take everything too literally
>>749842279Those little shits in robes following him around are more interesting than he is.
>>749860857>i was refering less to primarch models and more the recent changes to marine and custodes stat lines that make them more elite at everyone's expense.I'm torn on that since Marines really have been getting weaker and weaker with every edition. Custodes as well have just plain dropped off a cliff, though that is mostly due to losing rules. I also just want the game to get smaller, because I'm tired of lugging around my entire Ork collection for a 2000 point game. > Some marine units move faster than eldar nowThat is silly, though Eldar speed is kind of weird in general since depending on the edition it's more their vehicles than the infantry.
when will the imperium finally collapse
>>749860919>Girllyman is basically set up to be sit in Big ESay that again, motherfucker. See how quickly Custodes can kill a Primarch.
>>749861210It won't because it's the biggest cash cow.I honestly wouldn't mind a soft reboot where the imperium as a central organization is gone and it's a lot of scattered remnants of humanity fighting each other as much as enemies, but I don't see it happening any time soon.
>>749860919>>749861291Didn't they basically set up a thing with the Emperor to make sure they can use him to squat the entire Grey Knight line?
>>749861291Uncanny head.Wrong angle + face might be too small.
>>749842279Bad.I don't care for wank marines in general, but they're fine if they're just another faction. The presence of a wank marine superdaddy, who are always plot sponges and always at the top of the power level faggotry index, is a bad omen.I feel like the presence of this faggot means everyone's campaign is going to revolve around him.
>>749861291but custards are weaker
>>749842279Worried. Stressed. Perturbed. As though I've forgotten something, as though someone is behind me.
>>749857330That sham trial Marazhai makes for his sister was supposed to be at Vect's Court. There are remnants of this in files, you can see etudes for them being even named "Vect". And that's why he is name dropped so often.GW had to cockblock them and so they replaced Vect with that a random Black Heart Kabal Archon.
>>749842279Makes me roll my eyes up, would have prefered the story to be Blood Ravens vs. The world again, but GW probably pressured them in the hope to sell more minis>>749842553>The devs are really hyping up pvp which concerns me.They literally said the opposite, their focus is on a good solo>>749842854>There's no coverwrong, Orks can even build their own cover, but it's true the maps they've shown didn't have much>no vehiclesWrong again and I don't even know how you could miss the vehicles in the video >no artillery (besides one-click call ins), no flanking. Seems like a very stale game.True and true enough, it's doesn't seem te reinvent the wheel
>>749861295You could just split Imperium into independent segmentums. Kinda like what happened to Alexander's empire after his death.
Thoughts on Boltgun 2? How is it
>>749842386it looks awful
>>749862352This is the power of being forced to use Xbox series S
>>749862289/ourgirl/ alanah is great in it
>>749862289Genuinely great follow up to a 5/10 game that got boring fast. The 4 mono-god factions have their quirks that make approaching them very different, and possibly the Plague Marines are the worst, farting, shitting, and planting damaging mines everywhere. I actually like it, I have to keep them in that mid-long range area to bait their shit spray attack that has very short range but stops them from throwing grenades. For levels I've seen thus far, trench warfare, block to block city fighting that ends with you clearing a building floor by floor before a friendly gunship clears the rooftop and lands letting you end the level. A train level, a nuclear launch silo, a mine that lets you both ride a cart and mulch cultists with it as a battering ram. A rotating power station that radically alters the level geometry. Auroch got incredibly creative with the levels and the set pieces inside them that I actually wanted to replay it again to see all the levels I didn't choose on the first playthrough because it also has branching paths. Guns are also better thanks to no strength/toughness BS to get in the way. A gun deals full damage to all enemies no matter how big they are. Malum got 1 new weapon, and frankly it's all he needed. It's a fully automatic grenade launcher and it kills damn near everything you point it at.It's actually pretty damn good this time.
>>749859794> they had eons to make the galaxy a better place but did the opposite insteadThey did a good job for 60 million years >they still somehow believe themselves better than humansEach Eldar is objectively superhuman though. They are humans but better at everything>Stronger>Faster>Taller>More agile>Smarter>Prettier >Think faster>See better>Live longer>Feel better>All are psychic>WhiterThey are literal Übermensch, not a single downside compared to humans. They even shit better.>the Eldar had all of their ability and technology handed to them and never advanced beyond thatThat's not what happened. Eldar tech isn't Old Ones tech. Which is why Orks and Jokaero, both also Old Ones creations, have completely different tech as well. It's all their own. Only thing which arguably was "given" to Eldar is a Webway, which is arguable, because it's entirely possible Old Ones made Eldar so they could make Webway for them.Other races like Humans ripped off and reverse engineered Eldar tech. All power, chain, force, even melta weapons are Eldar tech DAoT and other Aliens made discount, inferior copies of>humans came from dirt and built even more advanced technologyAll human tech is strictly inferior to Eldar tech>Even after the end of the golden age, humans just picked themselves back up,An attempt was made, but they lost again. Galaxy isn't conquered by humans at all, there are Alien empires even within Segmentum Solar
>>749862289Same mediocre game
>>749862918eldar have all that yet keep jobbing lol
I fucking love Vorx bros. I love Vorx and Ahriman and Abaddon and Eidolon.
I will play Admech and spam crabsCrabs with big lasersCrabs with big arc gunsCrabs with big auto cannonsCrabs with big AA missiles
>>749856364>devs say that gabriel angelos isn't in the game because he'd be "too overpowered" for the story they're trying to tell>"yeah anyway heres a primarch, the intent is to be OP"Why are you repeating this and misunderstanding so much?They didn't want a Chapter Master, but a Captain as a protagonist which is why they picked Cyrus instead of Gabriel. It makes perfect, absolute sense.Dark Angels also have merely a Captain and other factions have equivalent HQsLion will be set piece in like a last mission at bestNOTHING about this is contradictory>theres no reason for dark angels to be in this game other than to steal the spotlight from the blood ravens, because games workshop wants to advertise dark angels?Every faction has two subfactions. Blood Ravens are a tacticool chapter so they chose knightly chapter for a second soft subfaction in story
>>749862918>All human tech is strictly inferior to Eldar techI'm talking golden age humanity. The shit they were making is insane.
>Space Marine man leader of the green space marines is in the new space marine game featuring space marines
Bring back my nigga Corvus Corax, I need the Raven Guard to start getting love
>>749863258He’s gonna job to Lorgar
>>749863129ew it's miku
>>749863258Isnt he a horrible raven monster running through the warp right now?
>>749863096That's pretty stupid logic when Gabe is a Chapter Master to a lesser known successor chapter that primarily operates in what might as well be the boonies of the Imperium. Not having the 1 character that has appeared in every Dawn of War game but instead have a primarch of one the first founding legions and the literal first legion at that? That reeks of someone at GW dictating that so the game can be advertising for a presumably $200 miniature. Likewise the Blood Ravens weren't a "tacticool" Chapter. They were a secretive bordering on actual heretical chapter with an unusually high number of psykers and a pension for foresight in their actions and war planning. There aren't exactly a lot of chapters whose chief librarian and chapter master were the same person, and that didn't go so well for them when half the chapter turned to Chaos and the other half didn't even know it was happening.
>>749842279>primarch capeshithard pass
>>749863258Raven Guard problem is kinda like the Imperial Fists one. They spawned a cooler chapter.
>>749863112DAoT was explicitly inferior to Eldar Empire. Objective, meta statement is that no other Empire could hope to ever best Eldar Empire - period. Eldar didn't even need to fight their wars anymore, their Iron Knights (proto Wraiths) won all conflicts automatically for them to the point Eldar didn't even pay attention to wars.DAoT could only fight and win against Exodites, guys with intentionally inferior tech, which other factions can fight against in 40k too. There is one mention of DAoT (still with Men of Iron at their side) starting war with Eldar and losing it. Which makes sense of course otherwise hyper aggressive DAoT Empires ruled by insane dictators which otherwise enslaved everyone else would have conquered galaxy by then. But they didn't since they couldn't best Eldar.>>749863025yes
>"what if we brought chapter god-figures back and made the stories revolve around their actions and interpersonal relationships?">actual fans: that sounds fucking gay as shit>secondaries: YAAAS QUEEN I LOVE SOME HECKING CAPESHIT
>>749863596eldar really hype themselves up like if it wasnt for their warp entities plus old ones they wouldnt be shitthey are massive losers
>>749863832because they had no real competitors after necron went to sleep
>>749863651>>secondaries: YAAAS QUEEN I LOVE SOME HECKING CAPESHITYeah tabletop fags are really annoying
>Loyalist primarchs return BAD>Daemon primarchs that are immortal warp niggas and can return at any time GOODlol
>>749864015they think they are hot shit with their muscles and power rangers
>>749863508>That's pretty stupid logicThere is nothing stupid about this. Every faction has a Captain equivalent for an HQ for skirmish. Question was asked why Cyrus and not Gabe. Gabe is tier higher, that's why not it would be off playing entire game as Marines who only have a tier higher HQ. Or in skirmish. Perfectly sensible choice to make a Captain as a character for Marines>instead have a primarch of one the first founding legions and the literal first legion at that?Because it's last mission hype unit and not a regular unit in skirmish and for 99% of a campaign> Likewise the Blood Ravens weren't a "tacticool" ChapterThey were ALWAYS tacticool. Every single instance of their battle tactics being mentioned and described paints them as a tacticool chapter. They use their Psykers as advisors to predict enemy movement and devise perfect plans which then their generic tacticool marines normally fight. Which is why they trained their Tactical and fucking Devastator squads in stealth. Which is why in games they fight like generic Marines, but players then savescum so they always win perfectly. Which is why their fluff is joking about when describing their tacticool approach to warfare. They are the most tacticool chapter next to Raptors and Mentors. Hence it makes sense for their Phobos focus now.Blood Ravens are explicitly described as a "cowardly" chapter and directly contrary to knightly ones like Dark Angels and Black Templars. Which is why one of them shows up as a second subfation
>>749863651>Strawmanning "secondaries"You are very obviously not someone who reads books. Why are you roleplaying.
>>749863832Necrons lost to Eldar after Old Ones were defeated already
>>749864194because the ctan ate each other and then got sealed and they lost most of their tech while eldar kept their warp entities duheldar aint shit unlike the old ones
>>749864194Uhhhhmmm Great Sleep was a TACTICAL retreat. Orikan predicted the fall of Eldar and when it will happen.Don't fall for the Eldar propaganda, mkay?
>>749864404i mean necrons and ctan beat the old ones then the ctan and big secret weapons no longer become an option after the infight then eldar keep all their good shit, obviously they needed to retreat
>>749859892>Retard Pussi>loyalist"He's" a brainless faggot barbarian traitor and cat's paw of Horus. Intellectually mogged by his fellow traitor primarch Angron.
>>749864404heh
>>749864530such a dumb comic and one of the lamest fucking designs for....what even is that some anime necron?
>>749862289There's a mission where you build a Leman Russ in a manufactorum then it fights with you in the next level.
>>749864750you have an engineering degree in this game? cool
>>749864630Triarch Praetorian or a Lychguard presumably
>>749864825what an ugly art style, like genuinely
>>749864530Cute necron, they should look like this in canon from now onMuch better design and artstyle than whatever GW shits out
>>749864902gross
>>749864140>Because it's last mission hype unit and not a regular unit in skirmish and for 99% of a campaignThat is the exact same bit Relic did with Gabe at the end of DoW2s base campaign where he comes in with the rest of the chapter to assist in fighting the Tyranids and again later in Retribution. He can work as a campaign only hero unit if being a chapter master is somehow "too powerful" for a standard faction commander unit.>They were ALWAYS tacticool. Every single instance of their battle tactics being mentioned and described paints them as a tacticool chapter.They were shown as a mostly codex compliant chapter that acted as secretive and shadowy as the Dark Angels due to the psychic foresight having them only ever attack when they knew what the outcome was going to be. They were never "tacticool" as that implies the kind of gay modern warfare shit and still used a lot of the basic strategies that pretty much all the standard codex based chapters used. They were seen as untrustworthy after DoW2 had all the item descriptions leave the implication that they had a habit of stealing other chapters war gear and claiming them as their own.>Perfectly sensible choice to make a Captain as a character for MarinesYet previous SM hero units included a Chaplain (actually sensible) a Librarion (also an HQ choice) and a Techmarine, which was never an HQ option at all. If we're talking sensible, you could still have a chapter master as a powerful relic or late game super unit you can only ever have 1 of. Like either you get a chapter master out or you choose some other equally powerful unit to put down instead. Just saying "yeah we can't have this guy because we just can't balance him" but then go "oh yeah but we can include this even more blatantly overpowered character instead" is still poorly thought out logic.
>>749842279He's full on Autism, maybe the most autistic. you have Perturabo who's got building shit autism.You got Guilliman who's administration autism And you have the lion who has battlefield tactics autism.Hes aslo a full on sperg when it comes to personal interaction with people, can't read the room to save his legion.He's like 90% of th3 faggots in this thread
The first DLC faction they add will be Night Lords.
>>749865113Night Lords are the enemy in Dark Heresy so I could see it being an internal push.
>>749865261Although Iron Warriors did just get a bunch of focus.As long as it's not Black Legion even though I do like them.
>>749843950So are they gonna lower the prices if stock keeps dropping? Or are they gonna make up for it by adding more models in Combat Patrol boxes?
Did this book ruin 40k in the long run?
>>749863352>lorgar>beating anyonelmao
>>749865663>GW>Lowering prices
>>749865731Nah, not really.
>>749865663They'll double the prices to milk the fanboys still retarded enough to buy the plastic
>>749865731Overall problem with HH was they had an initial plan for like dozen books or so, that's why the pacing is so different before the entire thing turns out side stories and collections.
>>749865731No more than Space Marine
>>749843950I really hope they take the right message from 11th edition insofar that nostalgic for old shitty space marines is bad, rather than Orks not selling.
>>749865663>So are they gonna lower the prices if stock keeps dropping?What would that accomplish? What do you think stocks are, exactly?
>>749843316He's the dude responsible for burning all of the Traitor Primarchs planets. He created Exterminatus as an activity.
>>749842553PvP is where is at tho
>>749863417>Isnt he a horrible raven monsterNo, that's what happens to all Primarchs when they cross into the Eye of Terror. He can shift back and forth between forms.
>>749867117AYAYAYAYA
>>749842279Primarchs and Horus Heresy marvel slop were a fucking mistake.
>>749864971>That is the exact same bit Relic did with Gabe at the end of DoW2s base campaignYes, so exactly what happens with Lion here. Gabe doesn't have to be everywhere>They were never "tacticool" as that implies the kind of gay modern warfare shit and still used a lot of the basic strategies that pretty much all the standard codex based chapters used.They were explicitly tacticool. You can check any source describing their combat doctrine. Unlike Black Templars, Blood Angels, Dark Angels or Space Wovles, they are all about smart plans, predicting enemy movement, striking at weakest possible point, researching enemy, using tacticool probing strikes, using stealth etcCurrently the most flavorful army for them would be indeed using Phobos units like Incursors, Infiltrators and Eliminators guided by Phobos Librarians. Which is why this how they mostly fight in DoW4. I made even a compilation for you.https://youtu.be/lshE06-vJTw?t=146 This is really, literally a perfect representation of how Blood Ravens fight.>Just saying "yeah we can't have this guy because we just can't balance him"As a normal SM commander. Not unique last mission unit.
>>749863258Corax doesn't need to be brought back. Nigga never left. He's the one confirmed to have been kicking around for 10k.
>>749867316>Gabe doesn't have to be everywhereTrue, he only has to be in every Dawn of War game instead of some literally who from the books
>>749867496>he only has to be in every Dawn of War gamNah. It's fine for other characters to show up, instead of using this same guy everywhere. That would make galaxy smaller
>>749867316I would expect Gabe to at least be in the game series that he started in and not be sidelined so GW can try to sell nerds and people with poor impulse control a fancy new primarch model. Why can't Lion show up literally anywhere else instead? SM2 is still getting updated and Sabre clearly gets plenty of income from the game still to just make a new PvE mission featuring a primarch show up as a set piece event. Or have him appear in the TW40k game thats coming up. Surely that can feature a blatantly powerful commander unit when CA has repeatedly done that for TWW1-3.
>>749865731No? Whos the retard that told you that?
>>749867654They're a group of massive autist that hate anything and everything to do with the Black Library.
>>749865731I would argue it did to some extent. Without the HH series we wouldn't have nearly as much primarch capeshit in the setting, which has drawn in a large audience who only care about these twenty-odd specific characters. But I mainly play 30k tabletop so I guess I don't have much room to complain, lol.
>>749867764It's just annoying because it always get recommended, when the entire thing is a damn prequel that's going to give everyone the wrong impression. Which I guess has creeped into 40k.
>>749865731Yes, anyone who says otherwise is a retard
>>749867814It sets up why the Imperium is in such a shitty dismal state. The problem is that they people want to give it some air of mythos and legend that no one knows about or remembers by the time of 40k.
>>749867878>It sets up why the Imperium is in such a shitty dismal stateYet the 30k Imperium is no different than the 40k one.
>>749867878We already knew the main plot points of the heresy to explain why the imperium sucks, the book series just massively over-expanded on it and primed a massive portion of the 40k audience to view 40k as a story and not a setting to have plastic army men battles in. IMO that is the main damage the HH books have caused.
>>749865731Anything without beakies is not real 40k
>>749867878That really only works when it's not depicting the characters in a mythic way as though it were a legend being told, and not as a first hand account from the perspective of the characters. Which takes it from myth and legend to hard fact as we get to know things that no one in universe save the absolute oldest characters would even know about.
>>749868048>and primed a massive portion of the 40k audience to view 40k as a story and not a setting to have plastic army men battles inWhat's wrong with that?
>>749868094>very first edition>crimson fists on the coverhmmmmm
>>749868018This is my main gripe with the heresy novels' setting honestly, the imperium feels almost exactly the same as it does 10k years later. I feel like Abnett tried a bit in the first books with the remembrancer stuff, but it's still like 95% the same as it is later. I feel like the authors were too scared to write the Imperium as something radically different because it might scare some people off.
>>749868213Rick Priestley himself said the same thing when asked what he thinks about the book series. He originally envisioned the Imperium as a golden age of humanity until Horus drank the Chaos juice. And with different aesthetics instead of 40k space marines with Roman plumes.
>>749843782Cry about it angelnigger. you are barely relevant
>>749846218God i love death of hope armors.
>>749842932SECRETLY GAY
>>749842932>as if it matters at all.This is why the Horus Heresy novels suck dick, because this DID matter. Originally there were no traitors from the loyalist legions except from the Dark Angels. That's why they're so autistic about keeping it secret. Then the novels showed there were traitors in other legions too which makes the entire gimmick of the DA useless.
>>749842553RTS are developed with PVP in mind. If it doesn't work at putting to human players against each other then building a campaign on that frame then it's not an RTS, might as well be a tower defense, an adventure game or a city builder
>>749868172>What's wrong with that?40k is just not a setting that works when there's one big over-arching plot everything has to revolve around. It's a framework to tell stories in. The whole appeal is that it's a vast galaxy you can be a part of by building and painting an army and making them your dudes who exist in the setting. The HH novels told one massive central story that revolved around a limited selection of Named Characters (the primarchs) making galaxy-shaking decisions. Which is fine itself, because that's what the Heresy was. The issue is that those novels became so popular that GW followed the money and now the primarchs are in 40k now, and have started centralizing all the attention on themselves. I mean look at any 40k discussions online and half of it is just about the various primarchs. All the big announcements are about a new primarch returning or a primarch doing something. It makes the setting feel small.
>>749867348Leman and Jaghatai are still around, well, still not confirmed dead might be more accurate. Jaghatai was last seen blitzkrieging into the webway to get back the chogorians that the Deldar took in a raid while he was busy on Terra, and Leman is maybe in Nurgle's realm looking for what sounds an awful lot like one of the three intact eldar gods, to help cure Big E of his chair addiction.
>>749868779I always thought they were so shamed by it because unlike the other loyalists who had small portions of their legions turn traitor, the DA had like 1/3 of their legion turn. Plus their legion rebels killed their primarch (or so they believed) which is extra embarassing. Also, the DA were 'the first legion', they considered themselves to be above the other legions because they got special treatment from the emperor, so it could also be seen as a result of their pride being wounded.
>>749846218I read in the Horus Heresy books that the armour of the 30k Marines were like this, very decorative full of adornments and stuff but over the years the 10k years to 40k they got rid of all that stuff, standardised the look baring a few chapters. Think this is why I really like the aesthetic of atmosphere of 30k over 40k.
>>749843316With the advent of "The Risen" he is the one Imperial authority with the power to pardon Traitor Marines
>>749851670I miss him, I'm very grateful to those interviews he gave, the insights were golddust. His forever hatred of the Ultramarines is still really funny to me.
what weapons do the gene stealer cult dudes use?
>>749869504Stubs and whatever local IG/PDF equipment that they overran had
>>749861830They're physically weaker but Custodes like Valdor could absolutely body some of the Primarchs he would destroy Logar. Why? Because although 'weaker' in strength he's far more combat proficient, he's a killer, he's far, far more experienced. He's also more than likely as fast as some of the Primarchs if not faster through his immense training.
>>749869454>His forever hatred of the Ultramarines is still really funny to me.qrd, what did he say about them?
>>749869454he was getting pretty weak near the end.You can tell when he was doing YouTube interviews or those Army Painter ads that he had a lot of problems speaking for any length of time and they had to cover bruises with sunglasses even when he was indoors Pic being from, a month or two before his death
>>749865731No, aboslutely not if anything it saved the franchise. GW themselves were about to go bankrupt if it wasn't for the Horus Heresy they freely admit to how bad they were financially before the book series took off.Lore wise it's amazing, but there's a lot of contrarians who think it ruined the mystique of the Primarchs.
>>749869636but primarchs have powerz
>>749865731HH and 5th both started killing 40k in their own ways, but you could argue HH started the trend of Primarch wank, marine wank, retarded OCs, retarded retcons, progressing the plot at the cost of the setting, and inserting retarded modern fads and political trends into the setting
>>749869578can they have tau mechs? theoretically?
>>749869679He was probably on edge, being interviewed by a dark eldar wych and all.
>>749842279Why the fuck has the Lion STILL not meet Roboute yet?The primarch 40k lore is moving at a glacial pace.
>>749869674He just doesn't like them, general disdain he sees them as too bland. >>749869679He was recognised within his time, his art was very unique. There's a video interview he did where he's commenting on not just his own artwork but those of others and giving some backstory and background on how they came to be, the conceptualisation of them, the thoughts behind the art and techniques used, they to me are invaluable.
>>749869748I just don't see a universe where base Logar could defeat Valdor. I would say Alpharius (and Omegon) would get fucked up by him too.The other Primarchs' I don't know how Valdor would fare against them.
>>749869930so primarchs are NOT the best of the best?
>>749864194The writers aren't consistent about it. Eldar Empire was small as fuck compared to Imperium and Necrons. Eldar Empire was just the Eye of Terror + webway realms, both Necrons and Humans spanned the entire galaxy. The writing for modern 40k is such a clusterfuck that you can't really extrapolate anything from it.
>>749869848He probably found antiquity a bit boring he was always more fond of baroque artwork, which is why factions like the Vampire Counts were his fav
>>749868779>Originally there were no traitors from the loyalist legions This is retarded, just like traitor legions had loyalists, enough that Horus had to pull Isstvan 3 to purge them, there would also be traitors among loyalists.
>>749869420Wasn't he only doing that with the fallen that are only technical traitors because they thought the orders Luther gave them were coming from Johnson? The ones that only ran off after Caliban's destruction because they figured there was no way anyone would believe they got duped?
>>749870159since they went the usual 'ooooh mystery' route about what they talk about in private, we'll never really know, but that's still a hundredfold more mercy than they'd have gotten from the Inquisition, let alone Asmodei.
>>749869963>Eldar Empire was just the Eye of TerrorThe eye of the terror was their core worlds and home world. They had territory all over, hence why humans in modern 40k keep getting messages from Biel'Tan telling them "You have a week to get the fuck off our planet."
>>749870331eldar are jobbers so who cares
>>749869025 >The whole appeal is was* and you can still do that >I mean look at any 40k discussions online and half of it is just about the various primarchs. All the big announcements are about a new primarch returning or a primarch doing something. What's wrong with this? And no, the setting isn't smaller because you can still have your dudes and that dude's dudes and the other dude's dudes doing whatever if you want, having more context for the larger state of the setting doesn't change that
>>749870431So are chaos and orks and tyranids, but they're still around and still have fans.
>>749870331>They had territory all over,Those were all the diaspora who left when their empire was getting degenerate, they weren't part of the empire proper
>>749870697fair nuffso...questionwhat cool stuff do the nids have?
>>749869961They have the potential to be the best of the best but they are not invincible. Look at how Conrad Kurz died for example.
>>749858786Why are you such a dry cranky fun hater? You've turned into the old man wagging his cane, congrats.Now go walk in traffic.
>>749870787the grey knight thing where a geezer defeated both a chaos primarch and higher daemon?
>>749870787>Look at how Conrad Kurz died for example.Like an absolute retard?
>>749842279>dawn of war secondariesi'll pray that you faggots will get some better taste someday
>>749870971Dawn of War gods are primaries thoughever
>>749870760Lorewise? Post great rift they now have a hivefleet that has a magnified shadow in the warp effect that goes around closing chaos portals. The other hivefleets make sure to leave it non daemon worlds so it can replenish biomass because nids can't eat daemons.
>>749864041Yes.The good die early, while the bad sell their souls for eternal power. That has always been the point.
>>749871040do dark eldar have better bioweapons or worse?
>primariestabletop players who started at or before 5th edition>primary adjacenttabletop players and people who either started with chaos gate or dawn of war 1>secondarieseveryone else>Games Workshop coporate literature slop readerslol
>>749871162tabletranny cope, you will never be even a tertiary
>>749870760>what cool stuff do the nids have?Lots and lots and lots of teeth and clawsHormagaunt swarms will always be hilarious to me
>>749870971>>749871031>>74987116240k is one of a handful of settings out there where it's less cringe to be a secondary than a primary
>>749852806No, dark elder have more point than them
>>749871310>it's less cringe to be a secondarylol
>>749871230kek i bet you read the fucking """books"""
>>749871242that's it? tentacles, acid and claws/teeth?
>>749871369>no argument
>>749871398>PrimaryEngages with the HOBBY at its intended level, as it was first designed in the 1980s.>SecondaryEngages with the SETTING through neutered secondary sources (YouTube, Wiki, video games) or reading literal corporate stamped schlock that only exist as one giant advert to peddle more second-hand slop to witless consumers.
>>749871791>>Primary>Engages with the HOBBY at its intended levelYes, video games>>Secondary>Engages with the SETTING through neutered secondary sourcesYes, tableslopGlad we agree>reading literal corporate stamped schlock that only exist as one giant advert to peddle more second-hand slop to witless consumersBut enough about codexes
>>749871104The dark eldar have a virus that turns those infected into living glass statues. Their bioweapons division are definitely earning their paychecks.
>>749872148more like painchecks amiright?
>>749842279So did he finally reunite with Gorillaman?
i like dark angels. nice colour scheme and plasma goes hard
>>749870787>Look at how Conrad Kurz died for example.uhhh, by allowing himself to be assassinated just to prove a point? he literally just sat there and let it happen while smiling
>>749858157France rules!
>>749871393Let me guess, you need more?
>>749874050ye, all the other factions have all sorts of cool toys
>>749870787>>749873135>mfw Curze thinks he's making a statement while Sanguinius and Corax existHe CHOSE his shit course in life, and then blamed fate for it.
they're gonna make the blood ravens successors of the dark angels arent they?
>>749864530Who are talking here?
>>749869797NTA but I presume genestealers on Tau planets steal Tau weaponry instead.
>>749867117Source? Girlyman didn't turn into a monster in the warp.
>>749842932mom look a retard
>>749865731>start a trilogy >Bloat it into 60 booksIt's inoffensive on its own but it cause a lot of long term damage >Making Primarchs plus a handful of other human characters "main characters" >People want heresy era stuff to come back to the current setting to turn 40k into 30k instead of moving on>jerking off armies to the point that current space marines fight as well as old custodes, Custodes right as well as old primarchs and primarchs are now narrative lynchpins of the galaxy instead of just big dudes>ADB trying to add his esotericism like perpetuals, fulgerite and enunciated that no one actually finds fun (although John grammaticus completely ruining all the melodrama is funny and Eldrad killing the cabal storyline was also funny)>other writers constantly clashing for control and letting their biases screw over fans of other factions, like John French's hard on for imperial fists
>>749861291Diocletian is the only Custodes character I like because of how much he seethes at everything
>>749876340>Thule is so ashamed that the BR are a DA successor chapter and being a son of The Lion that he would rather keep it a secret and die than tell his brothers or anyone elseHoly based
>>749872394No
>>749875284Well it's not like he was a stable guyhe was a pessimist and believed both that fate was determined and that only bad things ever happened
>>749864041Chaos primarchs make a threat, do a narrative event where both sides have fun, get banished by an imperial names character and leave while maybe leaving some minor consequences on the faction they fought. They might also get visitors to their small realm and or do some mysterious plotting.Loyalist primarchs are expected by imperiumfags to come bad and instantly save the imperium and fix all its institutions on top of getting along witu or dominating every imperial subfaction faction that opposes them, and some Imperiumfags are naive enough to think that returning primarchs should be allowed to kill the leaders of other factions because they're primarchs
>>749865386Who are those enemies in the female power armor?
>>749869797Theoretically yeah but it's probably a once in a blue moon thing. There's on been a handful of humans using battlesuits and all of them were trained by Tau
>>749878553Chaos SoBs I think
>>749876340ADB is head loremaster at GW, dislikes loyalist traitors and said that BR are NOT Thousand Sons successor years ago. Things may have changed, still
>>749843316>Currently probably the only person alive in lore than could theoretically 1v1 Daemon-Prince Angron and slap his shit.But only with emps' magic everything proof shield. Angron stomps otherwise.
>>749842553>hyping up pvpwhat else is there for RTS?
>>749843401i will forever be seething at mechanicus 2 and utter shit it was
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>>749878954the mystery is the pointmaking blood ravens successors of anyone will piss people off, and making them successors of thousand sons will be underwhelmingthe mystery is more fun
>>749872394no because GW know that (loyalist) primarchs are what're keeping their company afloat, but also know that after 3 or 4 loyalist primarchs get together and start working together most of the enemy factions would get annihilated so they're digging their heels in an trying to drag out any potential meeting as long as possibledon't be surprised is lion and gman weren't able to meet because of some warp storm or whatever so they put it off for "later"
An RTS is only as good as its unit voice lines. And I have no faith in modern voice ""actors"" to deliver anything half as iconic as Dawn of War 1's shouts.
>>749871162>painting minisbased >actually playing the tabletopcringegot into 40k when I was in the uk for uni, and by god the stench in the gw store during the in store game days was nugle incarnateyou tabletope nigga don't fucking bathe
>>749880290>tactical smell successfully made another opponent concede the match before even playingheh, another win for me
>>749862148>They literally said the opposite, their focus is on a good soloI admit I'm not following DoW4 very closely but all gameplay showcases I've seen were about PvP.
>>749878748All three of them that have ever existed?
>>749879102Going off tt stats Khaine will kill Angron more often than not, barring a streak of bad roles. Not surprising considering he stalemated Slaneesh when she was temporarily the strongest chaos god in existence.
>>749880290The GW stores have undergone a drastic change.The one I went to recently was very open plan, friendly and had guys in there getting their paints and minis but also women in there getting stuff for their boyfriends and talking with people and wanting to get into it.Also the dioramas they were pretty cool I was looking at them for a while and the GW guys could see I was just looking at the figures smiled and didn't come over and try to pressure sell me which I fucking hate. Also what do you mean to you were Britain, my country for University? Are you Irish or what? Tell me before I pass judgement on you for being an immigrant to my country.
>>749842279>>749843401I really hate that graphics, even the cinematics look like it's from the mobile tacticus game
>>749880681>women wanting to get into itFantastic, we can always use more tyranid players.
>>749879487the right one is brown doe
>>749843090>Angels>gayfuck you faggot
>>749880713Photorealistic graphics are a mistake, and age like milk. CoD Blops 27 will look like shit in six months, while Darkest Dungeon will still look good long after all of us are dead and buried.
>>749869961Primarchs are an unholy fusion of human souls with the warp. They are capable of coming back from death, like the Lion did, but it takes a fucklong time.
>>749880837They're space vampires, and vampire literature has forever ruined vampires and drained them of all their masculinity.
>>749880945That's because you're a gay nigger who cares about that sort of stuff. Blood Angels are peak masculinity and you're just a FAGGOT
>>749880681canadian, so a subject of the crown myselfand I was in wales then scotland
>>749880934not what i asked
>>749869961some are more best of the best than others
>>749881071That's not how other people see them. They're vampires in a post Twilight world.
>>749881130They're immortal, not physically stronger than custards. Alpharius fought Valdor and nearly died.
>>749881191And then you have Demetrian Titus, the greatest of the greatest of them all.
Just as long as he's stupidly overpowered, that's fine. Controlling a Primarch should be a power fantasy stacked ontop of every other power fantasy.>>749842553>PVP focus This is the goddamn death knell of every goddamn RTS. They should fucking ignore it and get onboard for campaign, co-op, and modders/custom modes first of all. After that, they can spend time with competitive matches and balancing.
>>749881095I hope you're not one of those Jeets that are over there now and are British stock Canadian (or French I'll even accept that).I've never been to Wales personally, how was it? Scotland (outside the main cities) has beautiful countryside, perhaps the best in the entire Kingdom. Shame you didn't go to England, I mean stay away from London of course but there's much to see and do in England.
>>749880882the DoW style peaked with 2
>>749881212Anon, only a nigger cares about what other people think. Are you also a nigger? How do you enjoy anything? Reconsider your entire life.
>>749881407Johnson is a 12 foot tall power armored Nightcrawler with a sword that can cut through anything and a shield that can block any attack. He'll be overpowered if they put in even a token effort to make him lore accurate.
>>749881513I collect eldar, my dude, just telling you how it is. You're the one going NUH UH, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY ARE!
>>749881514They better do that. Nothing will be more disappointing than going through whatever late game fuckery necessary to deploy him and he dies to a handful of mid or high tier units without doing anything. >>749880934Debatable if they're all immortal. I mean Emps probably is (though Malcador and Erda are both Perpetuals and I think both of them have died somewhat properly and havent' come back) , some Primarchs come back, the only one that's a natural Perpetual is Vulkan but I don't think he's back yet (or if he was fucked over.. Lion and Gulliman basically were in long term healing status and took either DaoT fuckery (Lion, DA and Watchers in the Dark) or Eldar Ynarri death god avatar gilrfriend waking his ass up after he healed for 10K years (Gulliman), so its kind of hard to say they all come back. The Chaos Primarchs can reconstitute but so can any Daemon Prince so that's not usual. Sanguinius was killed ,but his soul is split into light and dark aspects and he could combine some time - I think the dark aspect is being imprisoned by the only guy who ever basically not only tamed the Black Rage but was told by Sang "Hey, if you imprison this thing you'll die eventually, but you'll help our entire chapter. You'll also be stupidly overpowered with my rage until you die so.. that's an idea". There are other Primarchs that are "lost in the warp" they can bring back, notably Corax and Jagatai but as far we know they're not dead.
>>749880934>Primarchs are an unholy fusion of human souls with the warpEvery time you hear someone self assuredly telling you what primarchs are, it's 99% headcannon. The only concrete information is that they are products of top of the line generating and that they had something warp related infused into them, everything beyond that is conjecture like the "primarch souls give them extra strength" and "they contain trapped minor gods" nonsense>They are capable of coming back from death, like the Lion did, but it takes a fucklongLion didn't die, he was stuck in a comaThe two times resurrecting primarchs is seriously talked about is Khan getting resurrected after fighting stinkchud where he was still technically just on the brink of death and the emperor talking about how he could totally bring Ferris back which is more a bone thrown towards desperate iron hands fans.
>>749842279Space Marines and Primarchs are gay. I'm not interested until they add The Man The Myth The Legend Inquisitor Eisenhorn. Inquisitors get the shaft on tabletop. They deserve game representation be it vidya or tabletop. Nothing more Kino than a principled intelligent psycher armed with esoteric knowledge, arcane weaponry and an army of hand-picked masters in their field telling enemies of the empire to "SIT" and "DROP IT" while the enemy freezes and dies without fighting back. An otherwise normal dude (other than being a minor psycher) able to muster armies of space marines, star ships, mechanicus, guardsmen, etc under his command. Genuinely the ONLY thing interesting in the Imperium is the Inquisitor faction. The rest is a BORE. Hopefully we at least get more xenos factions.
>>749882525>They deserve game representation be it vidya or tabletop.Owlkeks' Dark Heresy soon
>>749874424Can I interest you in bigger claws and bigger teeth?
I've been playing Vermintide and Space Marine 2 these last few days, its so comfy during the early fall.
>>749883067listen all the weirder shit i know of are>man eating baby bug ammo>some psychic shit>tendril bomb things
>>749883145>Xenotech power swordHuh
>>749868779>Originally there were no traitors from the loyalist legions except from the Dark AngelsLil bro forgot the biggest narrative before HH was Badab which was all about loyalist traitors.
>>749882661I didn't play the Rogue Trader one but I am interested in Dark Heresy.
>>749880279TWW has plenty of great VA
>>749843090DA and BA players are bros for life. I will not stand any slander of them.
>>749883294Deathwatch, get all the special goodies
>>749882525>Mary Suehornlol, more plot armor than Primarchs.
>>749883483>plot armorTell me more about how you don't read.
>>749883482Hmmm. I call bullshit but I'll allow it.
>>749883402>I didn't play the Rogue Trader oneYou should, it's pretty good.
>>749883549The fact he survived the first book is proof of that lil bro.
>>749862352thats a different game...
>>749883712Ahh so you DIDN'T read them. Got it. Thanks for confirming. There is a REASON Eisenhorn survives as long as he does and it isn't by his will, despite him believing it at first. It isn't like helmetless Space Marine who is super spechul and super tacticool and that's why he lives. Or Mr. Primearch who comes back to life because... because he just does OK!
>>749883483>Mary Sue>Looks inside>Always fails and every other character hates him
>>749844805>Horus and The Lion had BOTH previously stated that Lion el Johnson would win that fight, if it came down to it.Call bullshit on that one, Sanguinius was the best Primarch on 1v1 and while he was winning the first part of the fight, the moment Horus fully used Chaos powers he defeated him. Ascended Horus was the Emperors equal, if not slight stronger, the Lion couldn't match him.The reason he Horus lowered his shields is because both Guilliman and the Lion had massive Legions who didn't get as much damage during the war as all the others, the moment they got to Terra as reinforcements the war would be over, even if Horus himself wasn't defeated.
>>749842279is that one of those space marines
>>749852806They have a interesting concept with being a 60 million years old race created as a weapon for the War in Haven and survived as the winners due to both sides of the war taking each other out and are now on decline due to their own foolishness, also being a psychic race with deep knowledge about the warp and Chaos in a setting where such things is hazardous to even get close to. The problem is that they're GW least favorite child, so they never get to do anything interesting in the setting besides manipulating others from the shadows, if even that.
>>749884857>The reason he Horus lowered his shields is because both Guilliman and the Lion had massive Legions who didn't get as much damage during the war as all the others, the moment they got to Terra as reinforcements the war would be overHorus realized he had 6 hours before gman and 150k ultramarines showed up to wipe the, at this point completely disorganized to the point of being just random warbands, away. Sure, horus himself would remain but consider the alternate scenario where emps doesn't take the bait, and then terra is wiped clean of traitor forces. And then russ and the lion were right behind him with another 50k marines, the siege was over.If emps hadn't taken the bait I'd say the chaos gods would likely abandon horus and just let him bet dogpiled by the loyalists, since we see that when horus does lose with their full support it takes a great deal out of them.
>>749883184>Our guns fart maggots at you!Yeah all that shit is gayAll I need is claws and teeth and maybe some big boys with bigger claws and teeth
>>749885741More likely Horus would have bailed with whatever forces he could still take with him and retreat to the Eye of Terror. The Scouring would likely still have happened but the traitors would probably done a better job of escaping with an actual leadership calling the shots. In this scenario the traitors would have made their own headquarters on the Eye of Terror and would launch a long war against the Imperium for the next 10k years, with Horus and the Emperor (having to stay on the Golden Throne) playing the long game against each other. The fact that the Scouring wasn't the end of the traitors in the canon timeline is proof of how hardy they can be, since they had no reason to even try to survive that, any less succeed somehow.
>>749871791>Engages with the HOBBY at its intended level, as it was first designed in the 1980s.>The hobby: Paying for overpriced plastic to a gay company that hates youbro you're never going to make collecting and painting little toy mans cool or better than video games, books, and other media, just get over it
>>749885770but that's boring, they have the power to adapt and change and all they do is add wings?
>>749885704i want something cool though and goofy maybe
>>749864194The Necrons chose to retreat because they had no strength left after defeating the Old Ones and then the Ctan, meanwhile the Eldar and Krork were only getting stronger and more out of control. Not to say that it wasn't an Eldar win, but retreating instead of fighting until death was a sensible choice.
>>749886417trueoff topic, why do people call necrons reddit?
>>749886241I get what you are saying but all that shit ever meant in the crunch was "they get rerolls" so the adaptation shtick is whateverMaybe sneaky toothy claw guys are more your vibe?
>>749886514>off topic, why do people call necrons reddit?because the nucron lords are autistic (not a joke)
>>749886556is that a lictor?
>>749886241Don't be silly. They add wings, and then big psychic brains.
Apparently he's just in one mission.>>749842386From the battle reports they put out, yes it looks p good for MP.
>>749885770>make a force that would be very effective against normal human soldiers in a setting with augmented heavily armored warriors>have to pretend the bugs with bone swords and maggot bullets wouldn't get rolled hard every time they had to fight the 8 foot tall duded dressed in the equivalent to multiple inches of solid steelMaking every faction playable in your setting is always going to be a problem going forward when you aren't prepared to just shrug at the people who opted into playing the bugs when they inevitable get squished.
>>749887293oh come on some nids can kill custodes
>>749887462They have.But I don't care how mono-mollecular your BONE swords are, or how deep your MAGGOT bullets burrow into flesh, when you use either of those against the 9 foot tall golden dude that might weigh as much as a small car, and is wearing what has the equivalent strength as 10 inches of solid steel, the bone will shatter and the maggots will just become smears. Unless we're talking about a psychic tyrannid attack, unless the custodi got barreled over by a stampede of carnifexes, I'm calling it bullshit.
>>749882525Imperial agents are pretty much the inquisition, and friends as a playable army. They're okay but don't really have any dedicated anti vehicle units, which hurts them a bit.
>>749887737i guess you're right but like they mass produce shit that rip dreadnauts apart
>>749881407Primarch is a 1-off super unit who shows up at the end of the Campaign to curbstomp whatever the big threat is, probably some giant ass C'tan shard that gets unleashed. They said he was designed to be OP as hell and isn't meant for regular play.They also said the game is PvE focused above all else. Some retard on 4chan saying otherwise and everyone just trusting them shows how much nu-chan just sucks up whatever ragebait they're fed.
>>749887737It's not just really sharp, those bone swords have a little guy in the hilt you can see if you look close enough that is a biological power field generator. That's why tyranid bone swords have the same stats as a power weapon on tabletop, because they are power weapons.
>>749883483thisalso it gets incredibly boring once he just starts throwing daemonhosts at things, holy fucking snoozefest.
>>749887984Its not so much about trusting some random tard on the board, as much as it is every fucking new potential RTS from Iron Harvest to Stormgate and Tempest Rising all, despite having good single player campaigns, started to focus on competitive gookclick ladder shit and lost all their audience, when they could have spent more time on campaign , co-op, and other stuff.
>>749888129I thought you were fucking with me, you weren't.To me that's completely ridiculous, but it is what it is, good day sir.
>>749882525>leads your company to financial ruin due to being so BORING>enter CHADmarchs who save the day
>>749883856>Or Mr. Primearch who comes back to life because... because he just does OK!>read in this book why MY guy can survive and it's ok because there is a REASONsir read the books about why the primarchs can come back, it's really REALLY straightforward
>>749887737The idea that imperial gene crafting even sure t it's height produces better creatures on a biological level than the hive mind that has been collecting the best genes from the strongest species of multiple galaxies without the Custodes really needing to deviate from the human form is itself silly. The numbers don't really see up either since even if a tyranid warrior is only 10% of a space marine they probably outnumber him by a hundred.Tyranids have killed Custodes before too since there was that born emissary that killed a Custodes gunship and kicked a Custodes head clean off when it wasn't even prioritising them
>>749889397what can kill the emissaries generally
