AI “vibe coding” is starting to create a serious problem for the video game industry.The release of Claude Opus 5.5 has made it much easier to decompile and recompile games, leading to a wave of unofficial ports, mods and game clones. Publishers are already filing DMCA takedowns over some of this activity. KotakuFormer Take-Two AI chief Luke Dicken says developers and publishers need to take the trend seriously:“This new wave of decompile-and-port is definitely something that developers and publishers need to take seriously.”“More invasive DRM, platform-level solutions, and probably more of a push towards streaming solutions.”Godot executive director Emilio Coppola puts more responsibility on platforms such as Steam, arguing that developers have very few ways to protect themselves while bad actors can profit from selling AI-made clones:“The burden should fall onto the platforms who are enabling this sort of behavior.”There’s also a growing concern among indie developers about showing unfinished games publicly. Coppola says he has heard from developers who are now:“Worried and anxious to even share early access versions of their games”
GoodWe will own nothing, and neither will they.
early access and derivative games are dead and you are laughing?
>>749903791My god would someone PLEASE think about how this could impact the shareholders!!?
What in the reddit heck is this garbage thread?
it'll end when the cloud services hike up their prices and become unaffordable for everyone except big companies. local models are dogshit and can't compete
>>749903828lmao
>>749903791Buy an ad, faggot.
>>749903976companies can't sell stuff because people will just wait for free alternatives, AI idea guys can't sell stuff because their shit is still low quality, it costs a fortune to upkeep but none of the money from businesses that do succeed with it is coming back to the AI companies. the only reason shit isn't going down already is because the rich and powerful have too much money in the hole trying to make a personal utopia where they don't have to pay humans anymore.it cant last forever, but it would be really nice if it exploded sooner or later so we're not dealing with an even worse aftermath than what could happen right now
>>749903791Ive been using AI to make AI chatbots out of visual novels that pull on the lore to create endlessly playable visual novels. Shit's great.
Jannies delete the containment thread but leave this up? Hypocrisy.
>Luke DickenHeh
>>749903791>What if we made our games even shittier and treated our customers even worse?Continue the cleansing, crusader Claude.
>>749904274AI bubble will crash soon, just like capitalism it's a failed experiment that brings no benefits to anyone
AI has complimented me more in a month than meatbags ever had in my lifetime
>>749903791streaming won't do anything to stop it. You can just have the AI analyze frames of video based on inputs and build a similar simulation.
>>749903791Pirat_Nation
Fart thread
>>749903791All the power to the people!
>>749904527maybe if you werent a clumsy dysfunctional sociopathic faggot more people would compliment youneeding the compliment machine to give you compliments is just sad
>>749904490>brings no benefits to anyonekeep telling yourself that Luddite retard lmao.I've already made fully functional prototypes of FIVE 2d games with Claude in literally just 3 full days, ranging from platformers, brawlers, rpg, castlevania clone etc . Sure im not planning on selling or even sharing the stuff i did so i wouldnt say it financially "benefits" me, but i bet your ass TONS of people will try to benefit from this.
>>749904527What's the point of compliments?
>>749903791TLDR You’re trans and snailcat
>>749904634I remember being 15
>>749904634you will remember how you talked to the weak.
>>749904527i like your gif
>>749903791Who names someone Claude?
>>749904543false. this is approach is significantly costly, slower, and just overall worse and accurate by every metric, than just having a plain access to the game's binaries and assets. and i mean the difference as in the orders of magnitude.
>>749904831I’m never sure if it’s supposed to be pronounced like “cloud” or like “clod.” I don’t speak French
>>749904656>I made 5 barely functional piles of code that I immediately discarded.Uh, this isn't the own that you think it is. Making shitty rehash prototypes is easy. Making polished games with interesting and unique mechanics is hard. AI has yet to prove itself capable of the latter.
>>749904762you dont have to be weak
I am working on reverse engeeniering dfo online. I'll host a pvp daggerfall server, probably get 2k players KEK
>>749903791I fucking love AI. It's allowed me to mod games in ways I never thought possible. I personal favorite of mine was turning the original PS1 Silent Hill in to a horror themed FPS. Even got a mini map working that update markers in real time. No longer do I have to open the map screen every thirty seconds. Also increased the draw distance to the point where the whole map is loaded in , but don't worry, I kept the fog intact. This shit is fucking magic.
>>749905336>>749905336can you try and add in a complicated gun modifying system.
>>749904831
>>749904762That goes hard as shit, are you quoting something?
>>749903791>bad actors can profit from selling AI-made clonesThis is nonsense, nobody is selling this shit. This is not something that is happening. Publishers are being humiliated because a hobbyist can now release a better port than an AAA team can. It's showing how incompetent and unprofessional teams like Grove Street games were releasing the demasters of the GTA3 series games, when a single person can do a far better job. Developers don't like being humiliated
>>749905384Maybe. What do you have in mind exactly?
>>749903791>raise steam submission fee $5000>slop flood instantly stopsIt all could be so easy
all future video games will be free. Sorry devs (and sloppers) who expected to make money, I just had SI pirate your game.
>>749905336 (Me)Here's an example of the increased draw distance. As you can see, the whole map is loaded in, resulting in a much higher draw distance. Still not too sure how thick I should make the fog. What do you anons think? Should I lessen the fog some more, or is this good enough?
>>749905448get the ghost recon gun system. not sure if it'd work but try it. I'm almost finished my mp for daggerfall.
is this the modding thread
>>749905752I think the most I could do is make pick-ups that could increase a specific gun's damage and ammo capacity. But that might also fuck up the game's balance by making enemies too easy to kill with fully upgraded guns. I would also have to buff the monsters to compensate for the stronger guns, and that would require me to do multiple days of playtesting to make sure everything feels good to play.
>>749905675it's fine
>>749905675nobody cares faggotfuck off
>Force even more intrusive, hardware-demanding Denuvo>If that's not enough, the game you don't even own can no longer be downloaded onto your PCI'm sure that'll work out
>>749906016Just looking for some outside opinions. It's no good to be in a echo chamber when you're working on a project.
>>749905902Yep>AI GODS hijacking luddite seethe threadbased
>>749903791Buy a fucking ad and stop spamming, holy shit.
>>749906085>They stop letting you download the game entirely because people are pointing AI at the executable and telling it to reverse engineer>by the time they're actually enforcing that AI is good enough that you can just point it at a youtube playthrough and have it make it from scratch
>>749906162>"grok, take this character, played by Debra Wilson, and replace her with Kree Summers."
>>749903791>The burden should fall onto the platforms who are enabling this sort of behaviorshouldn't the burden fall on those that provided the AI in the first place?or is antrophic protected because they aren't a private company?>More invasive DRM, platform-level solutions, and probably more of a push towards streaming solutionsimagine saying this as a positive thing with a straight face in an interviewat least we now the actual goal of giving people the keys to the kingdomgotta protect people against freedomsaddest part is that the technology isn't even where it needs to be and all the recomps are buggy messes
>>749905902We will make it the modding threadMGS4xDS1 anon here, CQC finally works at a basic level (the MGS4-side item drops can be patched out easily later) after quite a while of having claude do some back and forth figuring out issues with depth and g-buffer fighting that made everything flash grey during CQC attempts.This weeks usage has been mostly spent on:>CQC (and very extensive fixes)>Retargeting snake to dark souls animations so he doesn't just float around while swtiches are being pushed and such>Octocamo implementation>Solid eye night visionI still have like 25% usage left, so I'll playtest more and log some annoying or game breaking issues for claude to sort out. Good times.>>749906109ignore that guy he's probably only here for smut posting and stealth /pol/ threads and is allergic to people actually talking about things
I think I was getting A/B tested with fable 5.5 today because rather than tard wrangling opus 5.5 today it felt like opus was tard wrangling ME.
>>749906629Nobody cares about your garbage vibeslopped "mod"Piss off
>>749906629It's so wild that you actually got all this in to Dark Souls. What's your overall goal with your project? How far are you taking this?
>>749906629make it about fun, simpler games. Like Fallout.
Can I make NSFW shit or is it still cucked like every other non local AI
>>749904845Once it has the backend in place, claude tends to just record it's own gameplay of the original game to fill out levels
>>749906629kek nice
>>749903791Yeah, go ahead and try any of that shit Luke is saying. You think, seriously, that doubling down on the things causing this will somehow prevent it? Can somebody, anyone, please tell me what mechanisms exist that allow these absolutely stupid people to be in these positions? It's too late you fucking faggot, all the assets, blueprints, and systems are in our hands already. It is quite literally too late for you disgusting bastards. I want the people to democratize and take everything you have. I want you to have to sit there and watch as you all go broke and have to work for a living. Perhaps they could play one of our games to unwind? Oh, and fuck early access, make them fucking finish their shitty, derivative slop.
>>749906781a game like escape from tarkov would of been kino.
>>749906779I'd like it playable from the start of dark souls to the end, with as much of the MGS4 kit as possible usable and a choice of difficulty levels with some unique mechanics like an alert system that spawns more enemies in so stealth remains an actual part of the game. Dark souls enemies all have an aggro and player awareness system anyway, so conceptually I can just have claude alter those numbers and systems a little to make it happen.
>>749903791>leading to a wave of unofficial ports, mods and game clonesThey are also the best way to play the game 100% of the time so far. Look at fighting game releases lately.
We could already pirate and emulate these same games
>>749907260>749907260>>749907260fuck out of o here stop being retarded. i'm quite far in my port of daggerall faggot.
>>749906629>>749907217That's actually funny as hell. Good luck anon.
>>749903791I think a lot of user issues would be solved if they made a comp website that let's you browse all the ones made that people upload the files to and users can give ratings to weed out the crap ones people shat out and don't work from the decent ones with stats and info on what it adds or edits
>>749907457i asked about that in 1 of these threads a few months ago and there's this at least https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_unofficial_ports
>>749906872You can't do it on American models, Chinese models don't care though
>>749907537Neat. That's a good start
Erm...>>749903791Lick my balls?
>>749905336Where's the piss meter?
>>749907704Stored in the balls.
Using Chatgpt to create Buffy sprites
>>749907840
>>749907840This is Gemini's version, can't tell if it's better or not
But can it combine Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball and Artificial Academy 2?
>>749907840>>749907903Chatgbt one is better, in my opinion.
>>749907903I'd say ai sprite's suck ass at this point.
>>749907971I think so as well, I especially like the portraits it's made
>>749903791Can I use this shit to make a program that can read my screen and track certain things in games? Like xp per hours rates and stuff?
>decompile>actually just spit out the real source code they stole during trainingSome lawyers are getting paid big soon
Made a short preview of the offline BRS thing I'd been posting about for a while. Got a feature list in the description. https://youtu.be/8-CGVxSrJq4
>>749907840>>749907873>>749907903The one without an obnoxious backdrop or gradient shadow is the only one that isn't literally unusable.
>>749908070I'm going to ask it to remove the background or just redo that part
>>749908018claude was stopped from decompiling an ancient DOS soft body car physics tech demo Terep2 because the 30 year old readme said "please do not decompile"
>>749904743every time an ai cat dances a troon dies
>>749905554But then how will I profit off of AI?
>>749903791Is lost odyssey playable on pc now
>>749908206>edit readme firstwhat now liberal
>>749908251>tranimals
>>749908286Hackerman..
>>749908286sure theres human ways around it as the end user but its that easy to block ai training.
>>749907217How will boss fights go?
>>749903791how much is sub and which tier do I need to get the decomp capabitlites? i need to decomp some games so I could learn programming and coding from the source codes. learning what each lines do. i have no background and trying to refresh my highschool maths and learning c# now for Unity.the games i'd like to learn from are:>Noio's Kingdom>Papers Please>No I'm Not Human>Celeste maybe for the tight platorming controls and feel>Rain World maybe? for the dynamic creature motions / animations?yes I know some of those are really simple like Kingdom but it's neat, and my goal is not to steal source code and just slap animay shit on top ot it. I actually want to learn from the codes.. as I said I've no background and is an absolute fucking beginner pleb in coding..
>>749908373>boot up the uncensored model "QWEN_DARK_3V1L_COMPILERAPER_V4_3B" first>tell it to find any references to compiling being a big bad nono and remove them>then point it at claude after its cleaned upGUI bypassed, all systems nominal, activating fat nigga mode
>>749908440There are plenty of games that can be decompiled without any AI tool. Unity/Godot games can be decompiled easily using normal programs. And they provide the real source code, the exact way their programmer wrote, with the same names etc.AI decompilation prolly uses reverse engineering tools that recreate all the code but nothing from the original source code can be seen, so the models will need to discover what each part of the code might do. This is expensive and will not teach you anything about how the game was made.
>>749908440Decompilations are not really "code", it's machine generated stuff that's like a C/C++ rendition of the optimised assembly. The AI can sort of make some stuff up about what the source might have been but ultimately it would be the worst learning resource you could get. Ghidra will give you the same level of usability on the source.When it comes to unity games, you can usually recover the scripts 1:1 with the original through normal unity asset extractor programs. No silly AI needed.What AI is useful for (for certain definitions of useful) is *changing* the source without understanding what you're doing. It's able to add things to the crap source in a way even experienced coders would balk at.
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>>749903791Ok but why did they choose to make their logo a butthole?
can someone get escape from tarkov and have metal gear 2 together.
>>749903828Based mutual annihilation Chad
>>749908798>Point ai to ghidra/IDA instance running an mcp server>?It's literally that shrimple. Tell it to comment code and rename function while it's in there too.
>>749903828
>>749903831>unfinished crap and attention whores are finishedbased AI
>>749903828Except aaa companies will still be the ones making money from games and indie fags will die despite ai fags saying the opposite will happen
>>749905675Looks cool are you going to release it
You ARE slop coding your wife into everything right anon?
>>749903791>The release of Claude Opus 5.5 has made it much easier to decompile and recompile games, leading to a wave of unofficial ports, mods and game clones.Thing is, this shit is already getting snuffed in its crib because the community faith in it is zero, and it's all the fault of the cringe ass users>static recomp is the kind of shit that AI should excel at>process already does most of the heavy lifting for games, just worried about unique microcode and such per-game>if you actually spend the time and money, then it gives good resultsbut then in comes the AI jeets>have no idea what they're doing>has no idea what the end product should look like, both under the hood and even at the end-user surface level>doesn't actually care about shit working or even being the right thing>just wants to rush out something, ANYTHING, just to own the trannies>AI isn't given the time to work, and they either don't want to spend more on prompts or can't afford it>end result is the internet being flooded with dozens of "recomps">bucko amounts are non-functional, several are just emulation wrappers, others aren't even recomps at all>shit that is just a recomp or even just a recreation is called a decomp instead>get supermad when people troubleshoot or want to use the right term, because AIjeets don't care about the end product, just trying to get kudos ASAP>now anytime there's word of a recomp, nobody trusts it to actually be the thing it's meant to be anymore, let alone that it works>bonus points: even human made recomps now get thrown in the dumpster because there's just too many claudecomps and misinfo to spot actual work anymore
FUUUUUUCKMy weekly limit resets in a few minutes and I only got to 83% usage. I want to have more agents running and doing things, but I can't keep up with checking the outputs properly.
>>749909335Piracy will enter a shining golden age where any game with even a minor security flaw is instantly recreated for free with private servers and will be playable on your phones browser. AAA corpo faggot CEOs are going to rope en masse.
>>749903791Game companies will just move all the logic onto the server with the client handling just presentation even for single player. This is already how some gacha games operate.
>>749903791Honest question - why is blatant use of AI to make the code for you called "vibe coding"?When I first heard the term before AI was as big as it was now I just assumed it meant coding without any particular established background or structure and just stringing together shitty code until it just works.But now it seems to just be a synonym for "I made AI make it". What is "vibe" about using AI?
>>749909384I just use grok than chat gpt than go back to claude for my project
>>749903828communism as our AI overlords intended
>>749909342Still WIP. I need to do a full playthrough in order to make sure everything looks and plays correctly. I don't want to release a broken mod.
>>749905407it doesn't go hard at all. it's someone weaponizing their own victimhood. really pathetic behavior.
>>749909392This
>>749903791>kotaku
>>749909392But the thing is that there is for example sort of ‘pirated’ version of old Genshin client but with gacha it’s not about that it’s more about frequent updates. Ain’t nobody fixing the script for quests and gacha release new content and events and characters so frequently piracy can’t keep up.
if the ai was that good name one decent game that was made by it
if this is the end of video games then i welcome it.fuck this hobby.
>>749909504Its not. Its the death of indie games and uniquity.Have fun playing aaa games for the reat of your life.
>>749909541i don't play video games made in the last 20 years
>>749909567missing out
>>749909567Then ai wont affect you anyway
Why aren’t these threads banned? What’s the true purpose of them?
>>749909392Gacha games can do this because the servers costs are covered by hardcore gambling addicts and whales wasting millions on porn jpegs.No other "singleplayer" experience will do this, its just not profitable or realistic even at old hardware prices, there is no future for streaming singleplayer games no matter how much people think there will be, its just not possible. Most gacha games are extremely simplistic in their actual gameplay loops to make this possible even for them, the most they stream game logic wise is basic maths to calculate you shitty teams damage number.
Does AI at least make learning UI design easier.
>>749909614>What’s the true purpose of them?OP thinks the (You)s will tell him they love him on his deathbed
>>749909378Same problem with chink tiktok dramas.>AI shits out over 9000 of these daily>The ones using actors can't keep up>AI now trains from said AI slop to make more and people just stop watching them
>>749909482if they have an active community they will, mods break and people fix them
>>749909378Yeah at this point those AI jeets are just only showing that they have money to pay for burning tokens
>>749909386Piracy is already incredibly easy. AC8 was cracked before it even came out. The average consumer just doesn't do it because they're lazy, tech-illiterate, and/or morally against it. Even if this gets more people on the gravy train, there will still be millions of cattle ready to buy from their favorite brand, and that's millions less than the average indie game has
A monthly Claude subscription is $20, would the monthly limit allow me to decompile a PS3 game?
>>749909646It's not profitable or realistic to have your game instantly piratable and modifiable by anyone who wants it including other corporate entities (this is the part you're not considering). Game companies will for sure take the path of least cost even if it's more costly than what we're doing now. Yes this will kill AA single player games. This is the future you chose.
>>749909541AI is just like every other form of industrialization or technological progress: it ultimately creates a higher-end demand for those that can actually do the older ways well, as the new tools just enable a lot of hack frauds that fuck up the market. Which is something I never got about AIfags that talk about how the new tool is the death of the old ways and artists n' shit. Like you never really see digital art fags need to constantly say that handdraw niggas are malding because their quality, capacity, and efficiency is infinitely worse. Why the insecurity and the need to tear shit down.
>>749909771Just burn $20 and try it anon. That's like dinner for a night? Just skip dinner instead.
>>749906441>Cree Summerbased
>>749903828Basado
>>749909824Lol I spend like less than €5 on dinner and I live in the Netherlands, one of the most expensive countries in the world.
>>749903828How are you going to ai housing?
>>749909942there are enough homes but private equity is sitting on them
>>749909765Piracy isn't what's going to kill indie games. It's the instant clones. The moat will no longer be game design or even source code now. It will be how you can guard your assets, which indie developers have almost no resources for. It will choke out the smaller game space as it becomes no longer profitable.
>>749909775Its only viable short term, as in make a client for the game at launch that streams logic and then shortly after release the full game because most sales are around launch so a decomp will be less damaging. The more people buy your game the greater an amount of money you lose on streaming it to them if they actually play it, steaming is potentially infinite loss if the game is good enough to keep people invested in it.I think realistically denuvo will be a lot more popular during launch periods for games, if the memory can't be read properly this whole thing gets a lot harder.
>>749904274>AI idea guys can't sell stuff because their shit is still low qualitySure about that?https://youtu.be/BhTdyYqa5FA?is=yNm1syNYwS-N1182
>>749909646single player games will cease to exist
mgs 2 source code is released, can do something with that.
>>749908483locals are based and thats how I would start if I wanted claude horsepower to do the heavy lifting, just have the local sanitize first. but thats not automated, that requires you manually loading a model and pointing it at software. what I mean is that games with simple "no decomp" in their readmes or docs are not getting used for automated training.
>>749908040Holy. Monitoring
>>749909614I know right
>>749909376hell yes I am
>>749910124Maybe we can finally get an undub with original voices.How about you go for it
>>749903791Good. If you won't sell it to me then I'll have it for free instead, if you make your own paid experience even worse as a result I won't even consider paying for it in the future.
>>749910150working on something right now. I'd put escacpe from tarkov into mgs2. just the gun system, than turn it into a shooter.
>>749910148What are you gonna do with her?
>>749910145It's very clear there is a need for AI companies to be profitable right now and are spending huge marketing budgets to get that accomplished.
or perhaps animie girls and mgs2?.... so you play as an animei girl and have to learn from snake
>>749910019You just send out a takedown notice and Steam, GOG and Itch deletes them if they are using your assets.
