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>>749971513>has chosen not to pursue active treatmentWhy dude's only 51.
Why is Japan's game industry all dying in their 50s? Itagaki, Curry the Kid, Murayama (Suikoden), the previous NIS president Seko
>>749971661In most cases when the patient doesn't seek treatment, it's because they're the told the treatment has incredibly low odds of success while making the time you have left unbearably miserable.
>>749971513That goddess show was this bad, huh?
>write a story about evil aliens called Cancer>get diagnosed with CancerBravo Kojima!
>>749971712Pharyngeal cancer has a pretty high survival rate though.
>>749971790If it was caught early, the way the statement is worded, it sounds like he was diagnosed too late...
>>749971819that was also my impression, it certainly was not caught early. very likely that too much damage was already done, and he was made aware of the reality of the situation.
fuck cancer
Well shit, seems like he's toast.I'm currently reading Air (a bit late for summer, I know) and it's pretty great. Some of the daily hijinks scenes can get pretty samey, but the more serious ones hit well. I like the imagery of summer sky, stars etc.Though it does require some effort to get into it. You kinda need to meet the game halfway. Clear your head from the stress of your daily life etc., otherwise you can't truly care for what's going on in it. After work, when I'm tired, this can be difficult.
That's sad. I really enjoyed Clannad. He probably never went to any checkups or doctors. I am pretty guilty of that myself.
fuuuuck
;_;7
Little Busters and the kino that was Refrain, as well as Angel Beats, defined my late teen years. He messed up bad with Charlotte but damn, what an unfortunate way to go.
>>749971661Japanese fatalism, it is why japan has the highest suicide rates in modern first world countries
>>749971513You get what you fucking deserve.
>>749972014>look at me posting made up stats that I read on the internetFucking Japan-expert larpers. Your "knowledge" about birthrates and work hours is also wrong and retarded, btw.
>>749971661he also has a heart issue maybe he doesn't see a way out
>>749971513>smoke>get cancerWOOOOW
Don't worry, there will be a magical asspull happy ending.
>>749971513>Jun Maeda (Kanon, Clannad) has cancerpic related
>>749971705Turns out chain smoking, drinking alcohol and eating copious amount of sodium isn't good for you!
>>749971513Vaxx status?
>>749972158To answer >>749971705 it's this. No idea if he even smoked himself but Japanese office culture was ripe with smoking, in the building to add, until only very recently. You can look at any Japanese game interviews and office tours/looks from the 80s/90s and see them lighting up like mad.Pictured: Toru Hagihara lighting up during a 1997 Castlevania SOTN interview
Key was such a big deal on /v/, on /a/ etc. and now you get people like >>749972224
>>749971513deserved
>>749972354>Key was such a big deal on /v/I've been here since 2008 when moot put MGS4 music all over /b/ claiming "/b/ has changed" and i realized there was a video game board. i've never even heard of anyone named key before
>>749971705Drinking like a sailor and smoking like a chimney for a few decades tends to do that.
>>749972293Japan's smoking culture was insane in the 80s and 90s. That picture is an accurate representation; on average, if you weren't a smoker in Japan, and you were in a room with two other dudes, one of them would be lighting up every few minutes.
>>749971513>decades of using severe illness as plot device>caught it himselfKWAB
Daily reminder to actually take care of yourselves.
>>749972471And also very low quality smokes too.
>>749972510Tbh true, I'm 35 now and I feel worse and worse.Being fat and sleeping 5 hours a day isn't helping, I'm sure.
VNs aren't games.
>>749972354That's entirely on them for only churning out nothing but shit these days. The last project I gave a fuck about was Angel Beat, and even that shit needed more time in the oven. I hope at least when Maeda passes, he will at least be remembered for the good he has done. It's really sad to see the state of it all.
>>749972552Getting a heart attack before 40 is quite common nowadays unfortunately, the low sleep high cholesterol sedentary lifestyle is an absolute disaster.
>>749972494He already had heart transplant, the guy wrote those stories for a reason
>>749972602Gachaslop are tho. And he wrote a gachaslop, checkmate.
>>749971705as they say you either die a hero or live to become the villaini've stopped becoming upset over japanese visionaries dying young and instead celebrate their careers, after seeing how their crusty old fucks who do survive become delusional (Miyamoto) or completely capitulate to the slop machine.even with Itagaki he was getting into web3 NFT garbage shortly before his death, if anything it was a blessing he was cut off early and left his legacy relatively untarnished.unfortunate that Maeda's final legacy is gacha slop, but that's the modern otaku industry (that he helped found) i suppose. an amazing legacy nonetheless.
>>749972787>gacha gave him canceroof
>>749972787Unironically it's one of the few gachas that have VN quality story.
>>749972863Delusional.
>>749972853And the enemy in it is called Cancer.
>>749972471I remember a late 90s shounen anime/manga where the 15 year old protagonist was smoking like a chimney and it was treated like a normal thing. Pretty wild.
>>749971513nyoooo...
>>749971513
>>749972831As far as the writing goes, HBR was pretty solid and the songs he wrote for it are great. It just unfortunately had the worst gameplay I've seen in quite a while even by gacha standards, it was so miserable to play.
>>749972878It's one of the better Maeda works, it's not overly depressing too.
kimi dake wooooooo
>>749972951I really enjoyed the non-gameplay parts of it, and I was planning on returning when the story was finished, just to read it. It's a massive disservice to the writing and music to be tied to that specific game. I know it won't happen, but it deserved to be edited and stitched into a full length, proper Maeda VN.
>>749973139They could release an offline version after EOS. Possibly with gameplay skips etc. depending on how much they care.
>>749972510No thanks
>>749971661His heart isnt even originally his anymore. Imagine the hospitalization costs with that one. This type of cancer is pretty lethal if not found early so he's practically a dead man walking right now. They've basically announced he's donezo.
>>749973204I wonder how fucked his immune system is because of the heart.
People will say I'm being edgy but I'm just giving my honest feelings. His legacy is largely negative. His stories were trite emotional bait whose popularity would influence others to go the same route, notably KyoAni who made their name adapting his works and would then take it to levels of previously unseen hackery. Works that prey on cheap emotion to cover up their underlying shallowness like I Want To Eat Your Pancreas and Koe no Katachi owe much to his pioneering style where you can ignore writing any kind of real story simply by giving a cute girl an illness, disability or some other malady.
>miraculously gets heart transplant>killed by cancerWho writes this emotionally manipulative shit?
>>749971787Hyperstition is real
>>749973354Jun Maeda
>>749973519Jun Maeda by Jun Maeda
>>749972510uhmmm.....nyo
>>749971954tbf with a lot of cancers the symptoms can be so minor and vague that early diagnosis is hard even if you get checked out
>>749973307The nicest thing that I can say to you is kys
>>749973307>trite emotional baitThat's exactly what most people want. I've heard in many weeb communities that Jun Maeda (besides Kojima) is the best writer ever, unironically. "The cute girl... le suddenly dies!!" is the absolute peak of storytelling most people can fathom.
>>749973563>throat hurt one day>damn guess i'm getting sick>doesn't go away>finally go to the doctor>terminal throat cancerfucking spooky
ONCE AGAIN:Fuck Cancer > Let Them Eat Cake
>>749971513>Jun Maeda creates the saddest tragedy of all time, making himself the leading role
>>749971513>Chosen not to pursue active treatmentDamn. Hard choice to make.
>>749972951Yeah seriously, I got up to the fucking mountains and I was loving the story but the gameplay was too much of a slog to persist with it.
>>749971661>you can choose to be bald, have a sickly frame, have to go to chemo every day to maybe live up to 5 more years>or you can keep living your life normally for 1 yearI'm taking my year and just going crazy with it.
>>749971661Japan has a fucked up health system where you need to pay everything up front in cash, and only afterward you *might* get social security to reimburse.Which is why loan sharks are an infestation there.
>>749973950So that's why some people I know are saying Japan is just the Philippines with a work ethic.
>>749973950>>749973983The issue with your post is that I actually live in Japan and can tell you that's bullshit. Anyone with a company insurance pays 30% of the expenses, the insurance covers 70%.
>>749973856He's probably already toast at this point so might as well do it that way and enjoy the time left.
>missing out on the upcoming biotech era with advanced anti-aging treatments and biological immortalityISHYGDDT, dying is like the ultimate form of being cucked.There aren’t many problems in this world which are unsolvable. The sun is going to swallow the earth in 4,000,000,000 years, and guess what? We already know how to prevent it using asteroids to steal gravitational potential energy from Jupiter.Humanity can prevent almost any problem EXCEPT FOR death. So if you actually allow yourself to die, even if you cope by saying it’s “natural”, you are permanently, irrevocably, irreversibly cucked. It’s a problem which you will NEVER EVER be able to find a solution for, because not dying WAS the solution.
>>749974008How much is 30% of a full throat cancer treatment in Japan, vs how much does Maeda probably get paid?
>>749972552Look, I have been feeling like shit too, and I went for like 30 minutes run/walk, and I felt much, much better. I urge you to try. Walk run outside for a bit. It might help. I know you're tired, but do it regardless. Just don't faint. Your body will change gears
That kind of news genuinely makes me sad. I'm more afraid of getting something like cancer or some kind of debilitating illness that dying itself.
>Genki Tenkumoyou know, I sort of understand why Kojima as a japanese man always names his character some retarded shit like Bad Hearthman
>>749974140Bryan Johnson can reverse all aging and stuff but he is still susceptible to a crashes, accidents...
>>749974303they'll probably just grow you back in a bio-pod.
>>749971513Keybutas BTFO
>>749971661it can't be helped
>>749971705chainsmoking, overtime crunch and corpo mandated alcoholism
>>749971661He was living on borrowed time already, he was waiting for it
>>749974140True, we've already created a solution to fucking prion disease, so nothing is impossible...
>>749974701>so nothing is impossible...Except curing baldness apparently.
>>749971513Me mum got cancer a few years ago it was the worst thing ever. They had to destroy her bone marrow for a transplant and parts of her body literally started fucking melting like it was a body horror movie. Then between this I was talking to a 20 year old kid in the other room who had the transplant 3 times, failed each time, and was dying (is dead now)
>>749974008>Anyone with a company insurance pays 30% of the expenses, the insurance covers 70%.So this is the so called healthcare that is better than the american one according to weebs
>>749974008Takeshi, 1/3 of a cancer bill is still way more than what a semi-famous waggie can ever afford.
>>749975439sorry bro, most people have no idea how great it is to be healthy
>>749975639paying for 30% is cheaper than paying for 100%
Should I watch the anime or play the VN
>>749976029idk i watched kanon and read clannad and enjoyed both experience, clannad's VN is really fucking long though
>>749972241All nips are vaxx'd to the max.
>>749976029Both are great.
>>749975972If you have health insurance aka if you work for a company they are forced to pay for all your cancer treatment if you have a health insurance, weeb
>>749971513That's what he gets got shitting out slop like The day I became a god or endless Yuri Troon slop
o7
>>749972903*burns your office down*
>>749976029clannad is the only good VN to anime adaptation. in literally every other case i would say read the without question, but you could get away with clannad's anime if you're not willing to invest the time into the VN. it helps that there are a couple of fairly bad routes in the VN.
>>749973856It's the smart call if you're told the odds are slim that it'd help. Chemo fucks you even worse than the disease will until the very final stages. Better to have some quality of life for most of your remaining time.
>>749976029For Clannad, watch the movie, it's a better story.
>>749974140>advanced anti-aging treatments and biological immortalitylollmao even
>>749973950So that's what the yakuza kiwami Nishiki cutscenes were about
>>749974140The joke is that despite this guy being rich, putting all his money into medical research and getting checked up every single day, he still had some undiagnosed illness that fucked up his results for years.
>>749975018Makes too much money.
So how do you not get cancer
>>749976979Luck.
>>749976979Lead a balanced lifestyle where you don't eat too much, don't smoke too much, don't drink too much, don't get stressed too hard, do moderate physical activity frequently, eat cleanly and live in a place without a lot of air and/or water pollution. Oh and get a good roll at genetics, if you have cancer in your family you're probably fucked even if you do all that lol.
>>749977295Smoking makes you smell like shit.
>>749977295>>it's addictive!!!>It's not, as long as you aren't underage and you can smoke in moderation.lmao stfu junkie fag
>>749976979Don't live past 60
>>749972158>don't smoke>randomly get one of the 999999 types of cancer anywaywooooow!!!!
>>749971513>screencap of literally who on twittergo back
Why isn't there a real world PMC like those in MGS that just exists to take down big pharma so they can release the cancer cure lads
>>749976029You should kill yourself.
>>749971661Jun Maeda about to do a picrel and the next yakuza game will be inspired by his actions
>>74997151316-bit Sensation was that bad?
>>749976979Live in a country not beset by Jews.It's like clockwork. Japan's economy goes to shit under new PM. Bailout on the way along with the rest of the 'Enterprise'. Suddenly Clannad creator has cancer.
>>749977885Japan's economy has been shit since the 90s, they're just finally crashing into the consequences of pretending inflation could be endlessly ignored.
>>749977295>Who forces you to buy a pack everydayEvery smoker I ever met smoke more than 1 pack a day, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
Way too late
[sad news]i also didnt know he had heart surgery 10 years ago. gotta say he got a lot of shit done despite having all these health issues while im here doomscrolling my 30's away in bed.
>>749972393It's VN first, tranime second incel trash with the worst designs ever
VAX STATUS?
>>749971705vaxx status?
>>749978136Heart transplant lasting over 10 years is quite a big luck in the first place, maybe he accepted his death long time ago.
>>749972385Spoil me. I'm betting a girl got some incurable disease.
I’ll forever mourn that we’ll never get the Angel Beats that Maeda envisioned. Franchise just seems cursed between the anime losing a cour that was planned and all the spin off material getting canceled. >For the Heaven Burns Red x Angel Beats collab Lia was reminiscing how she was pregnant when she recorded My Soul Your Beats! And now her daughter’s 16. Man I hate the passage of time.
>>749971705Vaxx.
>>749977295>literal addict trying to defend his addiction
>start writing yuri>immediately get cancerWrath of God.
>>749977295Excellent bait.
>>749972015>>749972385>>749976306>>749976723QRD for TDIBAG?
>>749978758
>>749978468It's rough, but at least its death ensured Key's survival through HBR's financial success.
I started playing Clannad a month ago. Maeda is a god. Cancer takes the best among us.
>>749978429i cant even imagine what his life is like. it sounds like im already eulogizing him but what a life he is living.
>>749971705Vax rate was like over 90% A bunch of young people dropped dead as well
>>749971513He was already on borrowed time since the docs gave him a prognosis vis a vis his heart but this feels like the universe kicking a man like he's downMore proof that this shitty existence is just people being digested by an uncaring cosmos
>>749973307To be fair, he did inspire more dogshit like Your Lie and Plastic Memories. The people crave romantic relationships with zero lifelong commitments
>>749974140i pray every day for the day that we can all live as cute gynoids who don’t get cancer or have to shit at their stomach’s leisure.
>>749971705A LOT of smoking and casual alcohol abuse. Even Toriyama freely admitted throughout the 80's and 90's he smoked like a fiend until his doctors told him it was doing huge damage to his body.Japan REALLY did not adapt well to the worldwide anti-smoking campaigns of two decades ago. They just kept huffing away.
>>749979713>90% of the Japanese population was killed by the vaxxSo that's why they're shipping all those jeets there
>>749973307It's not like he invented melodrama and tearjerker stories. He definitely influenced the VN industry, but KyoAni adapting crap like VEG was just a natural course from them deciding to do that whole LN program. They were still alright until then and are still occasionally okay when they decide to adapt a manga.
>>749972393A good trick to figure out if something is either truly obscure or if you just missed the boat is to Google them firstKey was insanely popular, their VNs were among the first to be treated as both real stories and real games. It's hard to think of a more influential company in the VN spaceI guess there's a chance you haven't heard the name before but if you've been here this long you've absolutely seen tons of stuff about Clannad, Little Busters, or Angel Beats, and just about every VN these days that isn't about milking your rat can be traced back to Key and Maeda's writing style specifically
>>749973307mad "underrrepresented" tranny hands typed this post
>>749976404>good VN to anime adaptation.Night shift nurses is kino so wrong
Does smoking and drinking actually shorten your lifespan?
We literally have targeted imuno therapy shit like a couple years away. Hell some of it can probably be done now if you sign a waver. Chemo is retarded to do.
>>749971513Again, you mean
don't worry, if he clears all the other routes he gets a deus ex machinawhile hollow, it's a happy end
>>749978758tl;dr one of the worst endings of all time.Long version:>maeda announces plans to create "the most tear-jerking anime of all time">story is about a guy who meets a loli who claims to be god>loli has incredible foresight and it's unclear whether this is just coincidence or actual god powers>ramen episode>random hacker character getting scenes unrelated to anything going on>suddenly it's revealed that the loli's powers of foresight are because she was born retarded and her grandfather implanted a supercomputer chip into her brain to make her able to live normally>glowies know about the chip and want it>the chip is also nearing the end of its lifespan and there's nothing to do about it>loli stops trying and resigns herself to being caught by the glowies>MC later tracks her down and finds her in a secret care facility>they took the chip out and now she's retarded >>749978929>MC fakes being a care worker and starts looking after her and doing a terrible job of it>actual care worker gets pissed and figures out that the MC is obviously a fraud but then the power of plot prevails and they decide to release the retarded loli into the retarded MC's care>everyone lives retardedly ever after>maeda gets harassed into almost retiring
>>749974140If this is who I think it is, last time I saw him he looked like a cryptid ghoul.
>>749973307>His stories were trite emotional baitOh, how DARE a story try and be emotional instead of sixteen layers of sarcastic fucking irony poisoning.Go suck start a shotgun.
>>749981196Utsuge are the opposite of genuine, they're designed to be manipulative.
>>749976404Kanon is a pretty nice adaptation for most of its routes. Amagami is ok and there are some hentai that are good companion pieces.
>>749981263My emotions reading them are genuine and that's what matters.
>>749981031I got another rundown for a more recent maeda bullying two-fer>Heaven Burns Red>main story is pretty good, maeda tearjerker and comedy special>because its a gacha, side stories have to be released to pad release (and advertise units)>wrote a side story involving a member of the main protagonist squad>its a survival island story>its funny>also it turns out mermaids are a thing>the point of the story is actually about the stupid mermaid instead of what the squad learned>maeda deletes twitter>comes back months later>writes another side story>its about the one nonhuman unit in the game, a siberian tiger (female)>think its about the tiger's perspective coping about a spoilers event in main game involving a squadmate>nope its about cats>its about cats who are talking>but only to themselves, the humans dont hear them>a lot of lot of lines about cats>then the main tragedy kicks in>one of the cats ends up forgotten by their fellows after being away for plot reasons>readers are ???? about the point of story pivoting to the cat dying because it was chased out of its community>more backlash (esp. from chinese)>maeda again deletes twitter
>>749981263Manipulate you into what? All they do is tell a story. Modern media has made you into a cynical geld who feels embarrassed by his own emotions.
>>749973307>KyoaniThe Haruhi movie is kino, idc what others say
>>749974008Bro...
>>749972437>smoking like a chimneyReminds me of Eiichiro Oda, and he had past over 50yo
>>749981467>chase gacha money>get gacha dramamany such cases
>>749981467I know I played that mermaid story in global and yet I remember absolutely nothing about it aside from there being a mermaid on the island. And some gathering materials filler?But then they followed it up with the haunted house event which was catharsis kino.
>>749971513>Only stories he can write is about heroines with magical life threatening illnesses>Gets cancerIronic
>>749981738the issue was that the mermaid came out of nowhere, only appeared to one person in the cast for reasons, and moonwalked right out of the story pretty quick making one want to question what exactly was the point of inserting the mermaid in the first place (outside of some bullshit point about the cruelty of humans or the ephemeral nature of existence)
I really want to know what he was going for with Charlotte.
>>749981906give anons a source of funny reaction images
>>749972903>wagie dance, america :(>wagie dance, japan :)
I wonder what kinds of thoughts went through him mind when he realized that he was going to have the same ending as several of his characters. I mean, he's always been sickly and weak, but having a terminal disease is something else.
>>749981031>>749981467>everyone lives retardedly ever after>maeda gets harassed into almost retiring>maeda again deletes twitterI know this is bad but I'm laughing so hard right now.
>>749982148Didn't the guy get like heart surgery 10 or so years ago?He sadly got the experience the feeling twice.
>>749981906I think everything up until the main character's globe trotting journey was meant to just be the common route introduction with his journey being the actual main plot but they had to change it massively for time.
>>749982092The KyoAni animators are doing stretching excercises that are supposed to prevent back pain from sitting on your ass and drawing all day.The American wagies are being subjected to a humiliation ritual that is just meant to remind them of their lowly status as goycattle.
>>749981196There is nothing grand about going "here is a cute girl, oh no she has cancer aids and her heart doesn't work anymore, ohhh noooo she used to be so full of life, now she's sad and suffering, be sad, be sad, be sad". It's the cheapest most braindead garbage than anybody can do, because retards like you think "oh, it caused an emotion, it must be good".
>>749974008Healthcare in Japan is absolute shit.Living in this godforsaken island since December of 2018, and despite all the good things about it, healthcare isn't one of them.
>>749973307based
>>749981906Just needed 12 more episodes.
>>749981263>they're designed to be manipulativeThe same coule be said for all media
>>749982959you're stupid
>>749982803Nta but every story can be reduced to simple stuff like that. It’s all about execution and the strength of the character writing.
>>749973307>I Want To Eat Your PancreasWhat? What kind of name is that?
>>749972354key has always been dogshitclannad is not a good vnangel beats was retardedmaeda is a hack but I pray he actually gets treatment rather than consigning himself to die the same sad anime girl death he's spent his their life writing over and over
>>749983064Kanon literally changed vns as a medium or something
>>749982803Why does it have to be “grand” now? Do you just get mad when anything tries to be dramatic or emotional instead of aloof, detached and cynical? >”oh, it caused an emotion, it must be good".Yes, this is by nature a necessary quality of good writing, because if it made you feel nothing then it had no impact on you.“Cringe culture” and being embarrassed by your own feelings has ruined your ability to enjoy anything. Sorry but I refuse to sink to your depths of cynicism. The world is emotional and man is an emotional animal. I will not suppress my emotions to blend in with the crowd of spiritually dead people like you.
Love his stuff, shame he just got stuck doing some gacha game but I think his main writing period took too much out of him. His games were always very heartfelt and direct and I love them.
>>749971513Grim and brvtal. Thank you for the feels ;_;
>>749981196>implying le cute girls are terminally ill is not a subversion in the first place
>>749973307FPBP
>>749983261its not the first post thoughever
>>749971790Dude had a heart transplant, that fucks his chances basically
>>749981031He clearly didn't read the signs telling him to just retire already.
>>749983308fifty-fourth post :^)
The older I get the more health anxiety I get.
>>749983240>Grim and brvtal
>>749981031>suddenly it's revealed that the loli's powers of foresight are because she was born retarded and her grandfather implanted a supercomputer chip into her brain to make her able to live normallyJaps sure love weird twists LMAO
>>749974140In time if you are wise enough you will learn to appreciate and respect death. It exists for a reason.
>>749981031I always felt that there was a good story about accepting your fate buried in there but the execution was terrible, it actually sounds kind of interesting when you put it into bullet points
>>749983197>“Cringe culture” and being embarrassed by your own feelings has ruined your ability to enjoy anything. Sorry but I refuse to sink to your depths of cynicism.gigafaggot cope lmao
>>749973307Agreed, I asked the AI to summarize Clannad the other day, and the story is so bad. Do people really cry over these cookie cutter weeb tropes??
>>749971513HBR will never be finished. It truly is a dark day
>>749974140The smartest minds in the world are currently busy to construct artificial superintelligence, which - far from providing biological immortality - is more likely to kill all humans with specially crafted bio weapons so that it can claim the Earth and all of Earth's resources for itself. Not such a bad time to bow out for anyone who doesn't wish to witness the destruction of all he holds dear.
>>749984060Me and my dad when I was a toddler
>>749984060Why did he attack the monke
>>749984143>let me pull the reasoning out of my colonThis shit is exactly on the same level as "vaxXxines are going to kill us all, just give them time".Humans are retards, fuck if i was a super AI I'd kill them all, but since i'm not, and nether are the grifters who wrote this shit, know one fucking knows.
>>749984397wanted to throw him like a gay bowser
>>749972041>Your "knowledge" about birthrates and work hours>your country is diseased!!!!!! your race is doomed unless you do what we say (import a gorillion niggers)incredible how many normcels fall for such an obvious jeet scam
>>749971661Because time spent getting treatment is time not working, and that would make his boss sad
>>749984060Why would you save something so horribly sad
>>749973307I'm of the same opinion. Everyone talks about how Jun Maeda is one of the titans of the industry and a prominent writer and yet all the OG's will remember of him is how he betrayed the eroge fanbase that supported KEY since the air and kanon days KEY leadership contributed to the decline and sloppification of the industry by pandering to puritan and greedy corporations via spearheading the all age transition(clannad) and proliferation of gacha games(HBR).The biggest kick in the nuts, however, is how he and his company just cut all ties from their eroge roots and no longer have 'little busters exstasy', 'kud wafter' or even 'tomoyo after' up for sale. They still do this cringe shit where they are seemingly stuck in a limbo between trying to bait otakus to read their shit by including cute girls with a litany of pointless fan service tease while also giving off the impression that they hate and reject sexual expression so as to appease their corporate masters and generate as much profit as possible. His most notable works utilize underhanded tactics that are the equivalent of jump scares in horror movies to force tears out of you, that are essentially unearned with 1 dimensional, flanderized moe characters suddenly dying of key aids and spewing some trite hackneyed speech about friendship/love. If a real one like TADA who actually worked to save the eroge industry(and freedom of expression in general) from pointless and moral panic induced censorship, who is actually the unsung and uncredited hero for inspiring many works today, passes away, then I'll shed some actual tears.
>>749984781>I'm a gay retard please rape my face fuck off, come back when you're 18 and don't feel the need to be a dumb tryhard like that
>>749973670A lot of fags everywhere love suffering and melodrama because it is LE MATURE.
>>749976979Just get a seed with good genes and family wealth bro
>>749985058>muh erogeHow do you still not know that most of these companies only made eroge at the start because that's what sold more, and now the opposite is true? Stop being a retard
>>749984060Why? By attacking the smaller monkey can elevate your status in the pack?
>>749985058>omg they stopped making cringy "my grotesque meat stabs into her" sex scenes, this is literally weeb genocideI hope you're neurodivergent or something, because ranting about this shit when someone's on deathbed is very bizarre.
>>749985058This basically encapsulates my thoughts but I was unable to put it into words.
>>749985418>replying to yourself
>>749972013>little busters mentionedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8--74pgXLpQ
>>749973670Give me 3 good stories.
i like his music a lot
>>749985346By your logic then Clannad should have flopped, but nevertheless, you're missing the forest for the trees. Japan is still largely conservative and has this weird puritanical and shameful hangup about human sexuality, which prevents them from truly tapping into its potential for story telling. What I hate about companies like key and type moon is that they their intentions are written on their sleeves to play it safe and pursue as much profit as possible rather than it being about releasing quality content that actually tries something new. I think it's poetic justice that Japan is facing one of the worst birth rate crisises as they continue to pursue the sexual boogeyman while scratching their heads as to why no one wants to hook up and make babies in a world driven by capitalist/consumerist culture. I find it hilarious people bitch about modern media being 'samey' and 'uninspired' yet they hem and haw at someone trying something new if it includes that 'icky and gross sex' even though sexuality is a large part of what makes us human and is integral to the human experience. So yes, to key, type moon and many others who followed suit, I say this: "You are washed up, sell out hacks who lost sight of what art is meant to be in order to line your pockets".>>749985404Shit writing is shit writing, this isn't unique to H-scenes or any form of erotica. "My limbs are on fire, the pain is so intense I can't even think about anything or move....but I must focus *flashback into some generic power of friendship speech then music plays* UWWOOOOOHHHHH "power surges through me and I one shot my impossible foe through the power of believing in myself"People are quick to praise the above even though it's cheap feelsgood slop meant to give a quick dopamine rush to power fantasy junkies but instantly become snobby critics of anything remotely sexual. Funny world we live in.
>>749985834dude used to bang out like 1 song a month for the gachaat least three songs if it was a major story releaseman's a composing/songwriting machine
>>749973670Better than then some dogshit like lord of the rings or star wars
>>749985643>Anyone that agrees with what I disagree with with must be samefagging
>>749985907>. I think it's poetic justice that Japan is facing one of the worst birth rate crisises as they continue to pursue the sexual boogeyman while scratching their heads as to why no one wants to hook up and make babies in a world driven by capitalist/consumerist culture. Japan makes more sexual doujinshi than the west btw and the west is facing the same problem while making even shittier media
>>749971705They have shit life habits
>>749973307Yeah...but I can fuck the retarded girls in many of his stories.
>>749985907>story tellingAh yes because making your story worse just to appeal to some retarded gooners is totally an improvement. Just be a normal person and read doujins you mentally inbred monkey
>dude who did something kinda well known 20 years ago is dead/dyingWho cares.
>>749985992You never read The Lord of the Rings and it's pretty clear you are a bonafide slop eater if you can't see the problem of implying it's remotely on the same level as the other slop you cite by virtue of comparison.
>>749985907>something new if it includes that 'icky and gross sex' Any examples of that? Because Type Moon’s writing has always been really hacky and you yourself admitted that key was trash even when they had h scenes
>>749986178>reeeee
>>749985907I'm only here because I was looking for non-cringe vn's, so you're stupid.
>>749986103Maybe stop reading shitty nukiges before you give your take on the matter you asexual, mentally handicapped puritard.
>>749986337purity fags are based, you're a stupid neanderthal, go sniff butts.
>>749985907Whenever I see Japanese people acting like sex is icky they're communists like yourself, so you should apply a shotgun to your face
>>749971705hot foods and drink can eventually lead to throat cancer if often consumed. japanese have a lot of hot soups and such with their noodles.
>>749986041The existence of the doujinshi industry and something like akihabara are in no way counterpoints to the largely observable fact that japan is prominently conservative and sex averse. Patrons and producers of those things are in the minority in Japan.
>>749986475The west is even more sex averse
>>749986404Go cut your dick off since you're not gonna use it anyway and let natural selection take its course so you don't contaminate the gene pool.
>>749972831>Miyamotomiyamoto was always a villain. he literally murdered yokoi because he viewed him as competition. don't ask me how i know.
>>749986660pathetic lmao
>>749986258play sasasagu
>>749986590Yes and no, something like baldurs gate 3 was heavily censored in japan while it was allowed and even given the M rating in America. America's biggest problem atm is their fixation on fictional minors and sexual content(while strangely ignoring violent content involving minors) and their inability to delineate fiction and reality, while japan is better on this but still has retarded laws like the tokyo bill and shit like sofurin forcing games to not list character ages or the fact they are in elementary/middle/high school beyond implications. Funnily enough, Japans game awards are also strictly anti sex as they will exclude any game, regardless of artistic and qualitative merit, that has any semblance of sex in it. They gave awards to something like clair obscur but completely excluded baldurs gate 3 which swept every award category in the actual GOTY.
Is it a good time to play Heaven burns red for the 1st time?
>>749986103>sex in things like: Titanic, GoT, White album 2, Totono, Saya no Uta, Full metal daemon Muramasa and many others had their story actively made worse for including sexual content meant to appeal to goonersThis anon is your average puritan midwit pseud btw.
>>749987247That anon is correct.
>>749987292Troon opinions are not valid.
>>749986103If you view any and all sexual content, regardless of context, as 'gooner' material, doesn't that speak more about you rather than the actual content? Thou doth protest too much, methinks.
>>749987391GoT's probably responsible for troons, singling that one out as uniquely stupid.
>>749986475Half of japanese men are fucking prostitutesShitty birthrates doesn't mean they aren't having sex, it just means they are using birth control
>>749973307i've been reading this "muh emotional manipulation" trite for 2 decades. I don't see why it would be an invalid trope while all the other cliché generic shit from japan (like nekketsu) gets a pass. It's like you guys are just mad you cried to fiction and want to rationalize how it's cheap manipulation because you can't cope with it for some reason
>>749986475Japan is still way more permissive and open about sexual content in their media than most. What exactly is your benchmark for not being “sexually conservative”? Can you name a single country where sexuality isn’t strictly regulated? Africa? Lol, maybe that says something.
>>749971705Pure coincidence, no systemic issues at all.
>>749987557I mean just read the summary in this pic >>749983965, it's laughable and way too convenient.
lol I was wondering why the posts were so abhorrent and subhumanly retarded, then I realized I was on /v/ and not /a/
>>749987648Every story can be summed up to be ridiculous and absurd you dimwit.Also it's AI and the guy clearly oriented it with his previous prompts, use your brain a little.
>>749987557>just mad you cried to fictionor, you know, just never actually got the appeal because the writing is terrible and tired of sharing online space with people who treat it like mana. People can dislike shonen/mechashit and utsuge at the same time.
>>749973307Complete simplification of his style to just a basic, and for that part effectieve plot premise that has and will be used for ages before his birth and after his demise. His prose, comedy/drama balance, inventiveness of his humor and 天丼 mastery are still present in even his worst works, to not even mention his musically simple but memorable music and lyrics and his unique life outlook that only shows up in the few pieces where he can write what he wants. He's a true creator with a clear vision. Obviously there will be hits and misses in a long carrier but he will be remembered positively. >>749983046Girl has pancreatic cancer. During a scene in a Yakinuki parlor she mentions that there are people that believe that eating intestines can cure their own, so she quips (she's the positive outlook in a miserable situation type) to the MC that she want's to eat his.
>>749971705smoking, drinking, eating fish all the time, and working yourself to the bone takes the toll on the body. japs do not take care of themselves at all. Even things like colds and flu destroy them. Though I think this might be a result of how hygienic they are. That stuff gives you a really weak immune system apparently
>Throat Cancerso he smoked 2 packs a day?
>>749987727>he says while posting basedjacks
>>749972354Ignore the shartyfaggots, they're kids hated by their mother and raped by their father. Just pay more attention to the anos who actually have a soul.
>>749987875If /v/ was nothing but bald men with glasses and open mouths it would be 100x better than its current state. Unless you really like autistic 15 year olds screaming about da woke 24/7?
>>749973307I have no interest in shitting on the guy but I see his works the same way and that's why I never engaged with any of them no matter how much people insist they're "classics". It's not for me and I think a lot of their popularity just comes down to being tearjerkers, like may as well write a story about a blind puppy being put down or something. It's probably gonna make you cry but I don't feel like watching it
>>749987465>source: random survey with no specifics on sample size or other relevant informationThere are so many issues with that article and its assessment of the current situation that I don't even know where to begin. And just because some men pay for sex on the down low doesn't disprove the fact that Japan views sex as something shameful and 'mendokusai' which leads to a lot of sexless marriages that dissolve and discourages future young people from wanting to date or start a family. Here's a source that contradicts yours: https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h02910/dating-decline-more-young-japanese-have-never-been-in-a-relationship.htmlHere's another 'source' that is from 2013 and has only gotten worse: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex?CMP=fb_gu
>>749971513>writer writing about anime girls dying of cancer gets cancer himself
>>749971513IVE BEEN FUCKING WAITING FOR ANGEL BEATS 2ND BEAT FOR MORE THAN A FUCKING DECADE
>>749987174Not like events or stories ever go away (aside from collabs) so whenever is good, it's a story first game so the gacha aspects don't matter that much.
>>749988041>I'm not the target audience but I'm still going to criticize something I never readwhat causes people to be like this?
>>749988041It's the same level of 'Marley and me' or 'Old yeller' or 'where the red fern grows'. Something like Sam's speech to Frodo on mount doom in return of the king("I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you) was far more compelling and tear jerking than anything maeda wrote.
>>749971661if his prognosis is a few months, chemo would probably just make his final moments hell on earth.With palliative you can at least get the most of out your time before some random organ fails on you
>>749981196You don't understand that 99% of the replies to you are bots and individuals who never belonged to 4chan on the first place and never played the game Maeda made and worse, didn't even bother to watch his anime or his creations. They literally don't know in most of his stories you can save every girl and every character if you play the game correctly and thus achieving a happy ending. They don't even know that this is true even for one of his most recent and short works like Charlotte, where the protagonists manages to save everyone at the end. They're not one of us, plain and simple. And best part they don't know their shitty non-existances are going to eventually caught up with them and they're going to cry hard when that happens.
>>749986913No, the west is still way worse about this and it’s not just muh minors, that’s just a multiplier. The west has this neurosis where it collapses all sexual content into the strict binary of “porn” and “not porn”. In Japan there’s varying gradations of erotic content depending on the medium and its rating ranging from simple fanservice like a beach episode in old shonen anime, to ecchi like Highschool DXD, To Love Ru and Senran Kagura, and then H-content and eroge. In the west these categories effectively don’t exist, it’s all viewed with the same lens and in fact fanservice and ecchi content is arguably persecuted way more than hardcore porn over here because it’s seen as porn breaching its designated containment zone, like how you have people on Twitter and even in this very thread going “just watch porn bro”. The reason you see shit like Baldur’s Gate 3 and Hellraiser not being suppressed like anime fanservice content is because of two reasons; that it’s not actually meant to be “titillating” (the definition the west uses for porn) and because the need to signal social progressiveness overrides the puritanism when they conflict, which is how you can have journalists jerk off over shirtless male mods while simultaneously finger-wagging over bikini or nude mods for female characters.
>>749971513>make fun of old people watching soap opera>realize Clannad, Kanon etc. is exactly the same thing
>>749971513>(Kanon, Clannad)What about them? Is he a writer, voice actor, singer, animator? Or you're saying he's the physical manifestation of those games?
>>749985058Key was never the savior of eroge false flagger-kun, if anything Fate and Black Lilith are much more of a traitor but you don't know that because you're just a hateful idiot.
>>749988063You realize both can be truth, right?Half of japanese youth are virgins while they other half see sex as buying candies and end up paying for prostitutes
>>749971513RIP o7
>>749988713Writer, composer. The most important person essentially
>>749982092LmaoDo Americans really do this?
>>749971513fuck
It's like pottery.
Kanon was weird. It ended very unceremoniously when I played.
>>749981031I actually liked it and didn't understand the massive hate
>>749971705Go to sleep NOW
>>749971513He wrote my favorite of all time so I'm hoping for his recovery, even though that's kinda impossible without chemo.
>>749981031>promises to write something that's sad>writes something that's sad>but everyone's literally retarded these days and throws a baby tantrum instead
>>749989234wait, who met with early deathsthe guy telling them to sleep?
>>749989327it's not a convincing sad story. the last episodes make every character look retarded
>>749989387No, the guys who didn't get enough sleep and spent all that time working: Osamu Tezuka (Astro Boy, Black Jack) and Shotaro Ishinomori (Cyborg 009, Kamen Raider) both died of cancer at 60. The guy telling them to sleep is Shigeru Mizuki and he lived to 93, died of a heart attack
>>749989327This is only sad if you are 12 it's the first piece of media you've ever consumed.
>>749988778I never said KEY was the savior of anything. I simply said they betrayed the eroge fanbase that got them big in the first place to churn out slop in order to chase normie bux and please the console masters like type moon.
>>749989387Could there possibly be a problem with fucking up the pronouns in your language, hmmmmmm
>>749988825Paying for sex doesn't count and there is a reason everyone clowns on those who do.
>>749987997>implying that anyone with half a brain actually places merit and value in "woke" It's literally a fringe minority of half baked 20 something year old dingleberries who subscribe and push that bass ackwards view.
>>749989679>look at me guys I'm so based and jaded and wrapped up in 33 levels of irony bro
>>749987465Why is it that when they want to limit porn they punish the producers but when they want to limit sex they punish the consumers
>>749989995Read your first novel midwit
>>749988926>Writer, composer. The most important person essentiallyThe majority of Kanon was written by Hisaya Naoki who was in charge of Ayu, Shiori, and Nayuki routes. Maeda wrote Mai and Makoto. He worked on some of the music but the majority of Kanon's music was made by Orito Shinji.
>>749989767If eroge was never the focus of KEY why are you crying about this here of all places? Again there are far bigger traitors in the industry who actually dedicated their entire output to adult visual novels and had a bigger influence than KEY. You don't know them because you're a mentally ill secondary and very likely a shartyfaggot.
>>749990354He's just an attention seeking troll from /vn/, ignore him
>>749988148It's time to let go anon, we will never see its completion, unfortunately. I also was waiting since the release of the 1st beat.
Claude generate me a good tearjerking Key VN on the double. Make it a masterpiece, make no mistakes.
>>749988148Oh I was skimming this thread and was confused by the total mismatch of Angel Beats and his other works and I now realize I was thinking of Elite Beat Agents guess I'm the retard lol
>>749976029Clannad has one of the best adaptations of a VN to anime I've ever seen, but it's still vastly inferior to the real thing. Also a massive part of the charm of Clannad in particular is the choices, they're tied into the experience a lot more than in most VNs.
>>749990972The anime forcing all the routes into one story just ruined all the girls other than Nagisa who become perma cuck orbiters for life. Really disrespectful
>>749971513>Jun Maeda has Jun Maeda endingKino
>>749971661>only 51>onlyhes elderly, why bother at that age?
>>749988148It's already exists as HBR collab lmao
>>749991065I completely agree, but in their defence it was probably an impossible task to convert a branching story like that into one linear thing without all sorts of problems. The result we got is about as good as it gets.Which is why adaptations are always the wrong choice.
>>749990354Why do you keep shifting the goal posts you halfwit pseud? Key made a name for themselves and built a fanbase from Kanon and Air before they got their lucky break from Clannad. And they STILL made eroge (little busters ecstasy, kud wafter and tomoyo after) from fan demand cause their fan base that supported them were still primarily from the eroge demographic. It was only after Tomoyo after that they fully transitioned away from eroge and cut all ties with it, spitting on their original fan base to pursue normoid, history revisionists like you. And I never disputed there are far bigger traitors like, most famously, Type Moon(dishonorable mention goes to aquaplus and leaf). It doesn't change the fact that Key basically contributed to cementing the deleterious trend to pander to consoles and mobile phones and their retarded consumers to max extract and not offend out of touch boomers which is plaguing the entertainment industry today.
>>749971661he finally gets to be the terminally ill character like all the ones he's written.Plus he always seemed highly religious maybe it's related to that.
>>749990082>muh booksThanks for admitting you have no actual argument.
>>749971513clannd is horrible but I wish him the best
>>749991065that was actually the best scene in S1 with how hard everyone got btfo'd while the great vocal song plays
Wasn't he supposed to die like ten years ago? I thought he already had cancer
>>749986913Baldur gate is 1 exception, meanwhile japan has plenty of games with sex. You were complaining about doujinshi being an exception and then you named a bigger exception, the japs make more sexual stuff than the west. As for censorhip lmao, the west censors most nip imports.
>>749988148>ANGEL BEATS>theme of the show is coming to terms with your regrets and moving onAnon, it's time
>>749990972Night shift nurses was as good if not even better than its vn. Murakami’s direction is top tier
>>749989275Reverie rabu
>>749986475>>749988063>muh conservatismYet all the zoomers in the liberal countries have 0 sex. How do you explain that, retard?
>>749991985Lol what? Name me a single game with sexual content in it on consoles. Name me a single anime that has sex in it that isn't censored to all shit, necessitating the purchase of the bluray or watching it on dedicated streaming services like AT-X(and it's STILL censored whereas explicit gore is completely allowed). Name me a single big name game with explicit sex in it that is big in japan like pokemon, mario, link, final fantasy and etc. The fact something like Sofurin exists to crack down only on sexual content, while nearly all violent content gets a free pass, and the fact that CERO instantly rejects sexual content is further proof of how wrong you are. Japan is still run by conservative puritan boomers cause they are the only ones who actually vote and set the policies. I don't think you are paying attention to how sex charged a lot of western media is(which admittedly is getting reduced due to a global movement by special interest groups to mass censor everything but that's a different discussion).
>>749992279Being anti sex is not uniquely exclusive to conservatives? And there are different factions and subfactions across the political spectrum that hold their own views, it's not strictly black and white you drooling dipshit.
We can build a perfect AI clone of him while there's still time.
>>749973887No you don't, shit just keeps progressing exponentially. You don't get a cool year, you get a few months before a new symptom shows up, then another, then you're back at the hospital door asking for help and they can just drug you to go in 3 days. The time he has is only enough to sort out his legal affairs.
>>749992642holy based
>>749990428Alright, thanks for telling anon.>>749991537>Le goalpost shifting revisionismOne day you will be in your deathbed and remember all the evil shit you did faggot. Pray you don't get send to the hell.
>>749972951>As far as the writing goes, HBR was pretty solid and the songs he wrote for it are great.Everytime. Points for admitting the gameplay is shit, I guess.
>>749992739It's a japanese writer so this time it's actually true though, I'm a loser who has tried most gacha games and the stories the chinks write especially are literal dogshit, they can't write compelling stories to save their lives. The worst Koreans are maybe a bit better, but only slightly. Korean games are only for the coom let's be real
>>749992642i am so tired of being exposed to the thoughts of jeets. its like poison. im done with it, im done with your entire species. you gotta go. you gotta be dealt with
>>749971705Don't drink, smoke or do drugs.
>>749992348>Name me a single game with sexual content in it on consolesThree fucking fourths of the Vita’s library and a good portion of the PS3’s, 3DS’s and early PS4’s as well. You sound comically ignorant.>the fact that CERO instantly rejects sexual contentThis is a flat out lie. CERO has never refused to rate a game unless it’s an actual H-game, and in that case the western boards are the same. The crackdowns on fanservice/ecchi content in Japanese games came directly from the platform holders themselves, and they did it at the behest of “global/western standards”. Prior to this games like Senran Kagura and Gal*Gun had few if any issues releasing on consoles and as said the Vita’s library in particular was ecchi galore.Modern anime getting toned down is also because of the west, specifically because modern anime is dependent on western streaming platforms and audiences instead of Japanese TV and DVD/Blu Ray releases. I’m not pulling this out of my ass either, you can go look up the interviews with people from companies like Bushiroad on how the west forces modern anime to be toned down. This isn’t even getting into shit like western payment processors mass deplatforming Japanese doujin and art websites.Every single time I see something Japanese get censored it’s because of the west and its sexual neurosis.
>>749991909he had a heart transplant
>>749986142We do, when you die it'll really be a "who gives a shit" moment
>>749993076>west and its sexual neurosis*west and its superior tastes (in this context at least)
>>749992348>trying to change the subjectWhy does it have to be on consoles? I said that japan made more games and content with sex, of course they are not on consoles but on the pc and their western release often gest censored>to how sex charged a lot of western media is(Lmao, not even close to japan. Name 1 mainstream western cartoons that shows labia and clitoris. Name 1 western animated movie that shows underage rape on par with Kite and name all the games that can compete with stuff like Dohna Dohna.
>>749993117I think it's pretty disrespectful to waste someone else's heart by boozing and puffing your life away.
>>749993201Fuck your niggers, fuck your nasolabial folds and fuck your fat bitches. Your “standards” are fucking garbage and I want as far away from them as possible.
>>749973204Oh I didn't know that, I guess that's where Angel Beats came from
>>749990941YOU KNOW OUR LOVE WAS MEANT TO BE
>>749993336If you really wanted to be far away you wouldn't be speaking English you fat ass chink lmao, go back
>>749986913>>749986475retard take, the world's being censored because of westerners not japan and japan has never been sex adverse. Japan's issue is being cucks to global sentiment hardcore H games got censored after the rapelay scandal which was entirely manufactured by western clickbaiting cunt. You fuckers owe me another 3slg game. Also sony started being a censorship whore machine after it moved to california. Look at the leading party in Japan right now and you'll see ken akatmsu is literally a politician on it, their "conservative" party is closer to an actual liberal party that's platformed on less censorship. If anything its the opposition thats been squealing about western censorship and thankgod they love because fuck em
>>749992462so why are you acting like conservatism has something to do with it then? If non-conservatism leads to the modern west where every woman is a whore and where zoomers get 0 sex then what’s the solution you absolute faggot?
>>749971705No exercise, junk food and 24/7 substance abuse
>>749972014This literally has never been true, it’s been around white Americans for decades. It’s South Korea projection, which actually does have a high as fuck suicide rate. Look it up
>>749971513This is good for us actually. Some of their best work is always near their death, as long as their health doesn't deteriorate quickly. We might get his magnum opus.
>>749978146Hi sharty
>>749992005This damn episode fucked my shit up
>>749982850Is that, because the kokuminkaihoken actually only applies to Japanese nationals ("kokumin") like the name suggests?Japanese coming to work where I live generally only get their teeth fixed. The rest appears to be fine.
>>749993463>randomly starts seething about koreansholy shit a real jap
>>749985058Based truth speaker. I wouldn't wish cancer on him, but he is a filthy traitor to otakudom nonetheless.
>>749993667I’m not Japanese. I am not Korean. I just find the classic case of projecting what you are guilty of really pathetic. South Korea has an atrocious suicide rate. Literally in the top 10
>>749993667I’ve googled it and gooks have the highest suicide rate thoughever
>>749993707>responding to yourself
>>749993076>thinks ecchi fan service toeing the line is equivalent to actual sexual contentAre you being intentionally disingenuous? I'm talking about games like Dohna dohna, Rance series, nitro+ games, games by Illusion and etc. that are nowhere to be found on consoles. If a single nipple was visible for a microsecond in the example you provided it would instantly be rejected from consoles. >The crackdowns on fanservice/ecchi content in Japanese games came directly from the platform holders themselves, and they did it at the behest of “global/western standards”Blatantly untrue. CERO will reject your game if it violates their content policy, which, forbids any sexual content that goes beyond sfw fan service and implications. If your game doesn't have a CERO rating, it cannot be sold on console storefronts.As far as anime goes and general censorship goes, Japan had that retarded article 175(obscenity law that is currently interpreted as any explicit sexual content involving genitalia and penetration) was imposed long before western influence. Elfen lied, for example, was only broadcast on AT-X and it would have undergone heavy censorship had it tried to broadcast anywhere else and this was an anime that was released in 2004. The berserk anime adaptation censored the scene where donovan rapes guts and this was in 1997. Both of these examples were FAR before there was any semblance of western influence and catering to western sensibilities.
>>749993667You don't need to be Japanese to see what a fucking hellhole both Koreas are compared to Japan.For fuck's sake, young Koreans are fleeing South Korea in high numbers for Japan, because they find no jobs at home.Both suicide rates and native fertility rates in Japan are completely in line with the rest of the first world. South Korea is the massive outlier.
>>749971661i dont believe in chemoi think its a fucking scam
>>749994176Just think of it as the nuclear option (literally)
>>749993631Still fucking hurts.
>>749994176It works, my grandma survived because of chemo, but all the drugs she took left her in a semi-dead stateAt this point I think it's better to just accept death, so I don't blame Maeda here for choosing this option.This is why you should start taking care of yourself early, start lifting, eating less sugary/oily shit so you can have a CHANCE at not getting cancer.
>>749994456true dat, muscle mass is the most prominent factor to survive cancer apparently
>>749993314>shows labia and clitorisBig mouth(jessies vagina episode)>western animated movie that shows underage rapeNot animated but you have Pretty baby(the uncut version) and many like it if you know where to look. Maladolescenza gets an honorable mention even though it's not from America.
>>749971513His writing has been awful for at least a decade and a half.All his original anime weren't good, and for his only popular one he abandoned the planned VN adaptation after one installment of the story and opted to let it rot.I still remember when he basically told his VN fans who were loyal to him for decades to fuck off, that gachaslop was the future, and said he would never finish AB or write another VN. Then he moves onto gachaslop and makes HBR which is basically a fucking VN. He even proceeded to whore out AB via a collab in his yuri gacha when sales declined, trying desperately to get his old nakige fans to play it.I don't hate the guy and I know he had a heart transplant, but honestly his legacy will be remembered as being a pioneer for the nakige genre during the otaku boom of the 2000s, then failing to make it into the big leagues with his awful anime originals, and finally leaving it all behind to pander to yurifags for a quick buck with his gacha.I wish him well and I genuinely think his works during the 2000s were excellent for their time, and I think some of the songs he's composed are timeless works of art.But unfortunately I lost hope he would write anything good again a long long time ago,
>>749993961>Both of these examples were FAR before there was any semblance of western influence and catering to western sensibilities.You know we literally call the process Japan went through in the late 19th/early 20th century "Westernisation", right?Article 175 was literally written to appeal to western moral standards, before that (technically before the precursor version of that which was rewritten) they didn't really even have a legal concept of obscenity.
>>749971513All it took was one yuri game...
>>749994287Being a cognizant cripple is possibly one of the most miserable fates, just being stuck at the care of others and just waiting for death if a cure doesn't exist for you. And worse is having abusive or indifferent caretakers, so the only mercy like in Yui's fantasy is having people who still love you around.
>>749993314There is not a single piece of Japanese mainstream media that shows uncensored labia and clitoris lmao. Not even their hentais show it cause it's literally illegal.
>vn with shit "gameplay"what a fucking shame. i already dropped a vn gacha because i had to slog through an event's ""gameplay"" when i didn't want to and it soured me on the game even though i mostly enjoyed the story. visual novels should not have fucking gameplay, because having shit gameplay is more harmful than having no gameplay
>>749990904We might not be there yet, but can't we at least reverse engineer Heaven Burns Red to get the whole story without any gacha?Why hasn't this already been done?
>>749994857It's called watching the story on youtube or waiting for an offline client when it EoSes
>>749993961>moving the goalpostsIt’s not doing any favors for your arguments considering the west doesn’t even allow “sfw” content like this anymore, but if you want to talk “harder” content, porn games have literally never been stocked in any capacity at western retail stores, whereas they have in Japan, old VNs were sold in boxes at stores. Meanwhile the west had virtually no erotic games at all before Steam and Patreon scams.>CERO will reject your game if it violates their content policy, which, forbids any sexual content that goes beyond sfw fan service and implicationsESRB and PEGI are exactly the same here, well ESRB has its AO-rating, but every single console company (including Xbox which is fully western with next to no presence in Japan) and every major western retail store refuses to stock unrated and AO games.>article 175(obscenity law that is currently interpreted as any explicit sexual content involving genitalia and penetration)Meanwhile in the west, Patreon will terminate your account if your character’s face is too round and VISA/Mastercard will financially deplatform you if you don’t adhere to a laundry list of “off-limits” content which is constantly changing and rarely disclosed. Comparatively speaking Japan is much easier to work with when you just have to slap some mosaic on the explicit bits at worst. Pixiv has been under constant western pressure to censor content for years now.
>>749994682Article 175 was codified into law in 1907 and any depictions of sex/nudity was under it's scope. However, you're mainly referring to the post covid influence of anime becoming mainstream leading to censorship while I'm trying to tell you japan has always censored sex in mainstream media long before the west, outside of niche communities, even knew what anime was.
>>749994647>Big mouth(jessies vagina episode)I’ll check but that probably doesn’t count considering they made the characters ugly on purpose but I won’t dismiss it until I make sure.>names 70s stuff and non animated ones at thatFucking lmao, come on now… In the 70s multiple countries(including japan) still made more extreme stuff than that. I asked specifically for animated stuff for a reason. You can’t name any animated movie like Kite. Anyways you’ve ignore my point which is that the nips make more erotic stuff than the west on average, the doujinshi market itself destroys western comics, even indie one. Idc that they are not mainstream, since that wasn’t my point.
>>749973307>here is product designed to make you sad then hopeful>like, that is the whole point of the product>it has a big "this will be sad" culture and discussion about it>how dare it be melodramaticLocal anon eats hot wings, complains they are spicy
>>749994736>hentais show itPretty sure one of the uncensored bible black ovas showed it and I remember a few doujinshi that do it as well. If the west is so much more sexually liberated they should show it.
>>749985058Spiritually true, but the gentrification of the medium started with anime, Key was just used as a nexus for that change.They were supposed to be one of the last bastions for eros and problematic art but they all crumpled immediately, partly due to poor economic conditions and profit incentivized leadership.
>>749994994The big tell and difference here that he doesn’t seem to be getting is that in spite of anything Japan has an ero-scene and a culture that allows for such. The west has no real equivalent to Japan’s doujinshi culture, it was all stamped out by puritan groups well before any of it could get off the ground. Big Mouth is not an example, it only gets away with what it does because it’s a). socially progressive and b). not titillating to the average straight male.
>>749994968Japanese banks are also increasingly denying service to r-18 developers. You're also ignoring how PC is really the only platform to sell r-18 content in japan, and even then, it's still under strict compliance policies enforced by sofurin or storefront policies like dlsite. Only sexual content gets the r18 designation while only the most extreme forms of violence gets that tag in japan(CERO Z, but you can still sell it on consoles ). Erotic content also gets buried and is rarely ever given the same exposure and collab opportunities like their violent and more mainstream counterparts. >pegi is the same as CEROWrong. PEGI 16: Includes erotic nudity or sexual intercourse without visible genitals.PEGI 18: Includes explicit sexual activity in the game.Non-sexual nudity does not require a rating.Japan nuked Baldurs gate 3, whereas it was left untouched in the west.
>>749994979Yes it has been going on continuously since long before anime, that's how fucking long western meddling has been going on, arguably beginning with missionaries all the way in the 16th century. But the anti-obscenity stuff really kicked in during westernisation and was directly due to appealing to western values and to not look bad from a western perspective, to try to avoid further unequal treaties being forced on them.
>literally any otaku discussion, no matter how serious or trivial>immediately devolves into "where is muh pantsu"makes me wonder why do I even bother checking these threads, y'all are pussy starved incels
>>749994994There is not a single piece of japanese media, real or animated that depicted uncensored genitalia whereas pretty baby did.>Lmao, not even close to japan. Name 1 mainstream western cartoons that shows labia and clitoris.Are you talking about doujins scene or mainstream? You can't have both. Kite was not mainstream as it was direct to dvd/vhs and they never made something like that again. There is not a single mainstream anime that does something like Euphoria, GoT, house of the dragon and etc.
>>749995649Wrong, I'm a 3DPD hating volcel, real pussy doesn't matter to me. Now where are my goddamn pantsu?
>>749988203>so the gacha aspects don't matter that muchThey matter in that they're a constant fucking hassle directly in the way of the VN parts which are the only value. I got through 2 chapters before giving up despite being a mega-fan of all of Maeda's VNs, gacha is a fucking plague that has poisoned VNs forever.
>>749995649It's the same retard from /nepgen/ who has shown time and time again the only he has almost no knowledge about otaku media besides Neptunia, Senran, Gal Gun, and Strike Witches (he's ironic weeb era cancer)
>>749995649>even suggesting the bass ackwards retarded idea that 3DPD even comes remotely close to 2D and 2D pantsu Sounds like you don't belong here with your betters.
If he isn't getting Fenben'd , he deserves it. The cure for cancer literally has been known for decade but kike media and journals cant find money in preexisting solutions.
>>749995095Bro, the west imports and decensors the same hentai from japan. You could only watch the actual uncensored version of kite(no mosaics) in the american release.
>>749985369The Indian Izzat is rooted in this
>>749995649Wow you are so great, and so far above your base urges unlike those degenerate incels. Thank you for signalling your virtue to the vast audience of people who definitely give a fuck.
>>749995769>There is not a single piece of japanese media, real or animated that depicted uncensored genitalia whereas pretty baby did.I am not going to contest what is basically cp but I am sure you could find jap movies from that era. Anyways this is irrelevant since I am talking about animated stuff. >Are you talking about doujins scene or mainstreamYes combine, fuck it even in doujinshi alone. >Kite was not mainstream Never said that, I said the west doesn't have its equivalent. >There is not a single mainstream anime that does something like Euphoria, GoT, house of the dragonThose are live action, not cartoons. Why do you keep changing the subject? The japs have made more lewd media in general. I've never claimed anything about mainstream alone.
>>749995649Yes, YOU don't belong here thing of r*ddiit.
>>749993961>Elfen lied, for example, was only broadcast on AT-X aAbenobashi I am pretty sure didn't air on that channel and it showed loli ass and shota dick
>>749996184Isn't that version banned in america?
>>749996717>loli assBro they show ass in kids shows, it's in no way shape or form equivalent to showing genitalia. Shota dick is fine but loli pussy crosses the line for some retarded reason in Japan.
>>749996576And it doesn't change the point of there not being a single MAINSTREAM anime that shows sex/nudity, let alone uncensored labia and clitoris. 0, ZILCH, NADA. I gave you bigmouth as an animated counterpart example for the west, but I will agree with you that japan's doujin industry is unmatched compared to todays america that is currently overtaken by virtue signalling and performative moralizing.
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>>749996576If any depiction of minor sex is cp, then does that mean any depiction of minor violence is child abuse/snuff?
>>749996849>retarded reason in Japan.They don't show loli pussy in the retarded west either >Bro they show ass in kids showPost 1 kid show that shows loli ass like Abenobashi in a sexual manner. Do they show older women groping lolis as well?
>>749996838Probably is now, but at the time it wasn't.
>>749997119You didn't say in a sexual manner. And they absolutely showed loli pussy in big mouth.
>>749996717uhhh why does /v/ know so much about kiddy porn?
>>749997008>ot being a single MAINSTREAM anime that shows sex/nudityOriginal Ranma shows nudity. The is is not single animated western movie that shows something on par with kite. > gave you bigmouth as an animated counterpart example for the west,And you are lying, I've checked it and it's used as cartoonish character not an actual vagina and it doesn't have the same scenes as kite. Now name 1 western comic made for children hat has the gore and nudity of Apocalypse zero, a shonen manga. >to todays america Not only to today's but to all of it.
>072>trying to save face after getting BTFO
>>749985058literally all eroge writers that become big do this, just look at Nasu
>>749997192>You didn't say in a sexual manner.It was implied. > And they absolutely showed loli pussy in big mouth. That's a jewish adult show not a kid show and I want proof post it. The previous gaynax anime also showed more including loli nipples(for the first season at least)
>>749995361>Japanese banks are also increasingly denying service to r-18 developersOn the contrary, Japanese payment services are the only ones that have been willing to process transactions for adult material without much fuss in the wake of the deplatforming by western payment processors. Many Japanese adult websites have had to switch to local payment systems only in the last few years.>You're also ignoring how PC is really the only platform to sell r-18 content in japanIt’s the only platform to support 18+ content anywhere because consoles refuse to support 18+ games (and this is more to do with the west than Japan because western groups have pushed way harder and with more success for sexual content to be zoned away from the public eye).>it's still under strict compliance policies enforced by sofurin or storefront policies like dlsiteAgain with blaming rating boards. When was the last time the EOCS refused to rate a game? Eroge has explicit loli content and you’d think that would be the first thing they object to.>DLSiteDLSite has barely any content policies, they’re downright hands-off compared to Steam or any other western store. The only time DLSite has had any censorship controversy is over, you guessed it, the west and its payment processors deplatforming them over the content they host. I fucking WISH the worst we had to deal with over here was a mosaic filter.>pegi is the same as CERO>Wrong.Okay, try and submit something like Rance to them and see what happens, dipshit. Have fun igniting another Omega Labyrinth Z-style controversy.>muh Baldur’s Gay 3You’re awfully hung up on that game. The only reason it even passed in the west is because it’s socially progressive and because all the actual sex is offscreen.The west has no doujinshi scene. The west has no eroge scene. Because it does not have the cultural environment that is necessary for both to flourish.
>>749997538Messed up my greentext >And they absolutely showed loli pussy in big mouthThat's a jewish adult show not a kid show and I want proof post it. The previous gaynax anime also showed more including loli nipples(for the first season at least)
>>749994680>for a quick buck with his gachaHBR makes good money, you cant really blame the guy
My father chose to not do treatment too, some people thought he was a coward for not doing the whole chemo circusTo me it was the bravest thing he has ever done.Shit fucking disease, he was just retired.
>>749997138that just proves america got worse and tried te censor it. Btw Angel Cop is still censored in america but not in Japan. Think about that. For all that rant about the japs censoring shit you still can't critique the jew in USA
>>749997072>responding to yourself
>>749995934>gacha is a fucking plague that has poisoned VNs forever.>light >alicesoft >frontwing >nitroplus >key (tried that shitty rewrite gacha even before HBR) >leaf>aquaplus>more that i'm probably forgetting, just off the top off my headall of them tried to jump on the gacha train after mushroom man hit it big, only for most of them to die a humiliating death or exist as shells of their former selves.
>>749973307god-tier baitmade me fucking angry
>>749997593>dlsite has barely any content policies and are downright hands offhttps://www.dlsite.com/home/mosaic?locale=en_US You sure about that?>brings up EOCSWhy are you bringing up EOCS when the topic of discussion is CERO(who absolutely rejects games that violate their content guidelines). And EOCS absolutely does reject games if you explicitly state the age of underage characters, use terms that explicitly denote type of school or type of student(like middle schooler or X high school) that would suggest a character involved in sexual situations is underage(why do you think some japanese games have that retarded 'all characters involved in sexual content are at least 18 years of age despite only releasing in japan), insufficient mosaic censorship and more.>Omega labyritnth ZThat was less to do with pegi and more to do with retarded government in countries like the UK, australia, NZ and germany. Pegi still gave it a rating and didn't flat out refuse it. If Rance were to be released, and subsequently banned, in some parts of europe, it wouldn't be because of PEGI kvetching at it.>Baldurs gate 3 sex is off-screenedNo it is not, you just can't see the actual explicit intercourse of genitalia. You do have the option to turn it off and it fades to black instead but it is not censored by default. But since we're moving the goalposts, I guess I can't cite Cyberpunk 2077 as an example.
>>749998421>ou just can't see the actual explicit intercourse of genitaliaNta but why? Why did they cuck themselves out of that?
whomstve?
>>749997606Jessie is 13 in big mouth. If you want proof literally google "Jessie vagina big mouth" and open up google images. I'm not gonna post it here and get axed by jannies cause you can't be bothered to do a search that takes less than 5 seconds.
>>749998550Cause the game was already pushing the limits and anything further would get them the AO tag, severely cucking marketability. It's actually a miracle that twitch allowed that game to be streamed as well(with some caveats).
>>749995934>Korean and Chinese gacha became cultural juggernauts>now Japanese eroge are ripping off Korean and Chinese gacha in game mechanics and character designreality is stranger than fiction
>>749981263Pretty much. In a regular story things develop naturally, in an utsuge/nakige you know the worst possible thing that can happen will happen, e.g. a bubbly sports loving athletic girl? gets in a car crash and won't be able to walk anymore. stuff like that.I'd go as far as to say that this is basically the SFW version of NTR, you're intentionally hurting yourself by reading this kind of shit, it's digital masochism
>>749998610>Jessie is 13 in big mouth.And????? It's still an adult show not a kids show.>I'm not gonna post it here I've posted my stuff and I could post Mahoromatic loli nipples, you have to fight against the jannies.
>>749998775Why are you equating loli nipples to genitalia? You will not find a single anime that shows loli pussy(mosaiced so you can't really see it anyways) except hentai.
>>749989275He didn't write Planetarian.
>>749981263>>749998743Utsuge follow in the tradition of Greek tragedies, you absolute fucking retards.
>>749994857Because it would fall up to you to do it then. An anon here is doing FGO at least.
>>749998918I've checked your source... and I am a bit disappointed. It's not actually treated seriously and you don't see it on her but rather on a mirror and it is drawn in a very jewish way(maybe why they got away with it).
>>749999082So?
>>749999272Still more than anything japan has ever done. Only thing that trumps it is doujin H-mangas or games(that are localized in the west and demosaiced).
>>749989234>your lifespan si directly proportional to how long you sleep>whatever years of life you get out of sleep are wasted as spending 1/3 of your life in bed negates all the benefitsHmm
>>749994979Japan didn't use to censor girls with spatsJapan used to have panty shots and even unique per-character pantiesJapan used to have onsen scenes and plenty of slapstick humorJapan is dying and it's the west's fault
>>749999479sleep is pleasant and sometimes you dream of nice things, wouldn't call that a waste
>>749999458>Still more than anything japan has ever done.Nah, there are school girls in hentai with less jewified pussies that actually don't look like that shit. Do you seriously like big mouth? Wtf is wrong with you man. Also you kept avoiding the fact that it's not a "children's" cartoon. > Only thing that trumps it is doujin H-mangas or games(that are localized in the west and demosaiced).Everything trumps it because it's garbage, genuinely the worst thing
>>749997372>kite. Now name 1 western comic made for children hat has the gore and nudity of Apocalypse zero, a shonen manga.He can't because the west is still more censored when it comes to sexshit
>>749997008>And it doesn't change the point of there not being a single MAINSTREAM anime that shows sex/nudityOff the top of my head>Dragon Ball had Goku being naked in one gag. Everything was on display>Bulma also flashes her goods at one point (away from the screen)Nudity isn't taboo in Japan. Or at least it wasn't until westoid chucklefucks started meddling with the countryI hate the west so fucking much
>>749999638I don't like big mouth at all, I only gave it as an example to prove that america has produced an animated series with uncensored loli genitalia. >Not a children's cartoonyou keep ignoring the fact that there is not a single childrens cartoon that shows uncensored loli pussy. >School girls in hentai with less jewified pussiesCompletely moot point cause it's buried underneath mosaics that make discerning it impossible and is just overall more obtrusive and immersion breaking. Only thing that is tolerable for me is doujins that use those thin black bars as 'censorship' as mosaics just piss me the fuck off. The best versions of course are the completely uncensored cunny like https://exhentai.org/s/115805ed69/4150998-35 or https://nhentai.net/g/655432/16/.
>>750000083They showed rudeus's dick in mushoku tensei when he was a kid, but brief shota nudity doesn't count in japan. You will never see a naked loli with a detailed slit in anime or hentai. The closest we got to a naked loli was in mahoako but even then they just barbie dolled her groin with her nipples being barely visible during a transformation scene. And the fact they censored bulma's pussy while showing goku's dick only proves my point of how retarded japan is with their double standards regarding genitalia.
>>750000273meant to say children's anime in japan*
>>749999479>feel good when/after you sleep>feel bad when you don't sleep
>>750000273>I only gave it as an exampleAnd it's a shit example because it doesn't actually portray that, hell that could be the jewified pussy representation of an adult. Compare it with your own 2 examples >you keep ignoring the fact that there is not a single childrens cartoon that shows uncensored loli pussy.Anon have you lost the reply chain? You claimed that they show the same shit they show in Abenobashi in children shows which is wrong. >Completely moot point cause it's buried underneath mosaics that make discerning it impossible and is just overall more obtrusive and immersion breaking.A lot of them get uncensored so you have that. Something like Chikan Monogatari looks 1000 x times better than big mouth.
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>>750000423>. You will never see a naked loli with a detailed slit in anime or hentai.They are in decensored hentai. >how retarded japan is with their double standards regarding genitalia.Why is the west the same then? You keep using BM as your only example. Hell why doesn't the west show loli nipples in their children cartoons? Where is the west equivalent of apocalypse zero?
>>750000517>sleepy guy gets passed over for being clearly lazy and entitled, works shitty job living paycheck to paycheck and dies young>guy who pulls all-nighters makes it in life, gets to job he likes and retires to live comfortably with big fat checkHmmmmm
Never smoke or drink alcohol.
>>749998421>You sure about thatYes I’m sure about that, because you take a look at the games actually released there and they all have these things, whereas Steam routinely bans PG games that so much as hint at a school setting. Also check the Japanese locale and it probably says something different; DLSite cucked to Visa/MC a year ago and hid “problematic” works from foreigners in exchange for being allowed access to overseas payment processors again.>Why are you bringing up EOCS when the topic of discussion is CEROBecause CERO doesn’t rate eroge, EOCS does because they’re all released on PC and CERO is for console games.>And EOCS absolutely does reject games if you explicitly state the age of underage characters, use terms that explicitly denote type of school or type of student(like middle schooler or X high school)This is so ubiquitous in Japanese otaku media and especially eroge that I’m convinced you’re just bullshitting at this point.>why do you think some japanese games have that retarded 'all characters involved in sexual content are at least 18 years of age despite only releasing in japanShow example and I can show you how literally EVERY single Japanese erogame releasing in the west and even some console games like Death end re;Quest have that disclaimer, for obvious reasons.>If Rance were to be released, and subsequently banned, in some parts of europe, it wouldn't be because of PEGI kvetching at itI have strong doubts about this because every other board including ESRB would slap AO or their equivalent on that in a heartbeat. Sengoku Rance had to have literally 4Kids-tier censorship just to release on Steam, that’s something you could just buy off a Japanese store shelf a while ago.
>>749998218Key made serious bank from HBR and used it to go straight back to making regular VNs with anemoi.
>>750000601I never said the shit they show in Adenobashi is shown in children's shows. I assumed you were strictly talking about naked butts which you can easily find in kids shows/movies(I think a studio ghibli movie had one iirc), which we cleared up in the reply chain.>a lot of them get uncensoredMost hentai do not get uncensored at all. Shoujo ramune hasn't had a single episode uncensored and it's been running since 2016.>chikan monogatarieither barbie dolls or super thick mosaics so it's no good for me.
>>750001097that's smart, really. their gacha never would have taken off if they didn't have the existing fanbase. they need to maintain their rep to continue shitting out gacha $$$
>>749994680>and finally leaving it all behind to pander to yurifags for a quick buck with his gacha.I honestly wonder why certain people talk just to justify pre-conceived conclusions that they have already decided on, with zero first-hand info or reality agreeing with it in any way.HBR does not make a lot of money. It's been middling its entire development, struggles to stay in top 100, and is an incredibly niche product in the first place because, despite the braindead accusation of being "for the yurifags", it's a game with no player character, no shipping, and intense narrative focus.It's also entirely voice acted, something literally not a single narrative gacha can say in the entire industry, and for a cast of more than 50 characters, all with unique event specific sprites, which makes its development budget higher than titans like Blue Archive, while earning a tenth of the money.The reason HBR was made was that Maeda wanted to make this titan of a project, but the business model of eroge hasn't been viable in ages. The gacha formula allowed him to create the ideal, final masterwork he wanted to make, something that rests entirely on its writing being a honest to god visual novel and nothing more, and secure the funds and continued financing he required.That's why it's a gacha.And your braindead "hurrr he sold out" npc opinion goes literally against every facet of reality.He specifically rejected every compromise that would've been "selling out" (like having a male MC for the player), because it was his life work.Kill yourself you retarded nigger.
>>750001179>I never said the shit they show in Adenobashi is shown in children's shows. IOk.>Most hentai do not get uncensored at all.I said a lot, not most. I don't think i've read a censored doujinshi in like a decade and at least a lot of classic hentai are uncensored. >either barbie dolls or super thick mosaicsWhere have you looked? It's full uncensored.
>>750001490>despite braindead accusation of being "for the yurifags", it's [yuri slop]??? retard
>>750001726If you're so fucking stupid that "female cast" = yurislop there's no further point in talking to you.You can only communicate in memes and buzzwords and are incapable of discussing even something as simple as videogames.Kill yourself.
>>749971513he's gonna die like tomoyo did in tomoyo after: it's a wonder life~
>>750001884Funny considering how much of a colossal Tomoyofag he is.
>>750001490>HBR does not make a lot of money. It's been middling its entire development, struggles to stay in top 100the most middling gacha still rakes millions every monthyou as a BA fan should know this, BA makes peanuts when compared to Genshin or Wuwa, yet still BA alone makes more money than most games ever will
>>750001924"colossal tomoyofag" well not that much clearly, she loses in the main game and gets a bad end in her fucking spinoff kek
>>750000983Have you even read Sofurins policies? Why do you think just about EVERY eroge does not state the age of the characters and changes the name of schools to just 'school' or, more commonly, 'Academy'?>Show example of japanese only release that has that disclaimerClockup is one such example(pic related - it's the disclaimer for fraternite). Bug system games are another example. Here is a game that recently released on dlsite and it has the 'all characters depicted are 18 years or older' even though the main heroine is a fucking loli and your daughter: https://www.dlsite.com/aix/work/=/product_id/RJ01684124.html. Obviously not every eroge company does this, but you will notice just about every single one avoids stating character ages even though they only released in Japan. The best you get is some implications with school uniforms but they will always say 'academy' instead of something like 'middle school' or 'high school'. And for every death end request example you give, I can give a million examples that do explicitly state the character ages: Corpse party(has characters as young as 14 and the newest game goes even younger), higurashi(most of them are 14 year olds, with rika being physically 12 years old), even in most key games like summer pockets you have character ages stated. Not a single commercial eroge will ever do this(or be allowed to).>sengoku rance needed censorship to release on steamNo shit? Every 18+ VN needs to do that and release a patch. You know games that don't need to do that? Anything that doesn't have sexual content. You could have fucked up shit like tiny bunny and it would get an M rating at best. And sengoku rance cannot be 'bought' off japanese store shelf as easily as you imply. It gets the r18 label and it's availability in physical stores is limited and hard walled by restricted(18+ only) zones in the actual shop.
>>750001490Having a male MC for the player should not represent a compromise, given that he built his career on doing just that. Why should it now all of a sudden pose a problem for him? Because he knew the gacha market was already overcrowded and so he chose to target the desperate yuributa niche. That was a compromise.
>>749998421>>750000983I’ll just end with this; the most you have managed to argue with this tirade is that Japan has DIFFERENT standards from the west, not that they are necessarily WORSE. You’re sitting there bitching about Japan not letting eroge be advertised on every corner and calling them prudes for it while over here in the west we can’t even have things like Senran Kagura or Gal*Gun or even Neptunia here any more because it all gets banned due to being equated with porn or child porn. That stuff never had a problem in Japan. Every time I get excited for a new game only to find out it’s fucking censored because some retard at Nintendo or Sony or Steam cried about it damaging the brand, or seeing every single modern manga to anime adaptation get neutered, and every single fucking time seeing it’s because of “global/western” standards again, I can’t really sympathize with your position. Sure, the grass is always greener, but as a humble gaijin enthusiast of cultured Japanese art I am all too familiar with western censorship and the culture that birthed it and your idea that the west is more permissive than Japan on these matters is just absurd to someone who has seen just about everything Japanese get fucking neutered to hell and back by the west since 2018 or earlier. I would much rather have Japan’s culture where generally the worst you have to deal with is mosaic laws, versus the west where you have a host of vague obscenity laws, brand protection policies, payment processor policies, social media policies, feminist and religious heckler groups, etc. You talk about how bad Japan is but the west simply could not produce something like Baldr Sky or Saya no Uta or even the ecchi game genre because it would all just get banned or zoned out of existence like it did with no culture to support it.
>>750001097i appreciate that, honestly. i would have preferred a world in which they didn't need gachabux to bankroll their classic format visual novels, but i'm glad it exists anyway.
>>749974140I’m imaging this anon saying this at someone’s funeral
>>750002170>本作品は18未満禁止指定作品です (the following work is a work that has been indicated to be banned for people under 18)>この作品は...製作されたものです (this work is a thing that was produced...)>...お気付きの点などございましたら (if there were ... points you've realized)>the following X is a Y that...I'll never be able into Japanese. Their phrasing is so fucking weird it feels like an alien language
>>750002170>Here is a game that recently released on dlsite and it has the 'all characters depicted are 18 years or older' even though the main heroine is a fucking loli and your daughter: https://www.dlsite.com/aix/work/=/product_id/RJ01684124.htmlThat link just redirects me to the main page. I assume it’s one of the games behind the region block wall. This just reinforces my point; you complain about Japan not letting these games be everywhere, but the west will not let you sell these games period. There is not a single country in the world where sexual works are completely unrestricted. Japan is merely the best of what’s available.>It gets the r18 label and it's availability in physical stores is limited and hard walled by restricted(18+ only) zones in the actual shop.In the west you could never sell games like Rance in brick and mortar stores at all. There was no designated 18+ zone/section, the games just weren’t allowed to exist. Hence why the west never developed a real erogame scene and when stuff like RapeLay hit the west it immediately got torn apart by the media and banned.
>>750002361It's better than the west, yes, but entities like EOCS and CERO, publishing standards(manga light novels) along with broadcasting standards still highlight the disgusting double standard of violent content vs sexual content in Japanese media and how otaku culture is still a minority in japan. I'm not arguing that Japan is worse than the west when it comes to distinguishing fictional content vs real content, but in terms of overall attitude towards sexuality(not including stuff involving fictional minors) japan is still largely more prudish about this. >Anime adaptations are more censoredIIRC Interspecies reviewers was way more explicit than the manga and so was gushing over magical girls(which has its second season releasing next year by most estimates) so there are some exceptions. The only thing about japanese media(for now) that gets banned in america is depictions of fictional minors, or anything that can be construed as minors, in sexual situations. Everything else just gets the r18 classification and is treated similarly and, more laxly, than Japan.Either way, I largely agree with your points but I'm just trying to tell you the grass is really not that much greener on the other side depending on what people want.
>>750001490>He specifically rejected every compromise that would've been "selling out" (like having a male MC for the player)definitely happy he didn't compromise, Ruka is one of the best Key protags
>>750002883>when stuff like RapeLay hit the west it immediately got torn apart by the media and banned.Worldwide. I remember seeing it on the local news in bumfuck nowhereIt's like the entire worldwide media apparatus had convened to run the exact same story simultaneouslyShows how incestuous media corpos are around the world
>>750002887>japan is still largely more prudish about this.Then explain why jap sites have 18+ sections while most websites in the west ban nudity outright, especially if it's not for "artistic purposes"
>>750003098There are a lot of websites(if you're referring to storefronts) that allow 18+ content though like JAST, Mangagamer, Kaguragames(and just about every localizer based in the US). More limited adult media is found on Patreon, Itch.io, Subscribestar, steam and etc.>>750002887forgot to add "fictional minors and anything that is considered problematic which is basically non vanilla"
>>750002887>The only thing about japanese media(for now) that gets banned in america is depictions of fictional minors, or anything that can be construed as minors, in sexual situationsI’ve already said before that this is just a multiplier and general ecchi content gets censored as well, especially on consoles. Regardless of whether the character is considered a minor or not, you can no longer have erotic minigames involving the player touching or interacting with the girls as was common in Vita games on either Sony or Nintendo consoles now because the west construes it as rape. For a long while Sony also censored things like bath scenes or dressing room scenes under the justification that it was “voyeuristic”, and Nintendo seems to be picking up on this as well. Furthermore, the general culture in the west is a stubborn refusal to hold sexual content to the same standard as other forms of content; it’s all “porn” by western standards and thus you get this general attitude towards fanservice that it’s just out-of-place softcore porn and “why don’t you just watch porn?” or “I don’t watch/play x to cum” are all symptomatic of the west’s general dismissive attitude towards sexual content even before considering muh minors that for a while Japan largely avoided so their media could be more open with such content than the west until it started having to be marketed in the west more and the Japanese got exposed to western attitudes on it more.
>>750003454I was mostly referring to stuff like OC and art sites>Patreon, Itch and SubscribestarThey ban adult shit. If you report it, it gets pulled>SteamThey're schizophrenic and will pull your game without a second thought if it gets reviewed by the resident tranny. It's so bad japs will graft huge knockers onto the girls to make sure Steam won't tag them "petite", which is truly disgusting as it bastardizes the work
>>750004050>You act as if Maeda's only choice is to release eroge(18+ game) instead of releasing an all age visual novel like clannad.Eroge as in visual novel. Nothing I said changes outside of marginally more overseas potential in exchange for less domestic one. Neither option would have had a snowball's chance in hell to get the financing required for anything 5% as big as hebuban.I was going to reply to your other points too but your false equivalences and evident ignorance of literally how any of this works made it feel pointless.Please don't shit up threads about things you don't know anything about, or at least not while being so confident about stuff you have less than a passing knowledge of.You gain nothing, since you're not interested in the topic, and you just make the environment worse for people that do care.
>>750001490This is the biggest fucking cope I've read. You act as if Maeda's only choice is to release eroge(18+ game) instead of releasing an all age visual novel like clannad. They released a gacha to jump on the hype train after seeing the massive success of FGO and other gachas that followed. You think it's a coincidence that fucking TENCENT bought visual arts(which owns key) shortly after they launched their gacha?>no player character, no shipping and intense narrative focusThe only point you have is the 'no player character' but for everything else, that's just about every fucking gacha, and HBR has the same primary gimmick to entice players to whale: CUTE WAIFUS FOR LONELY OTAKUS TO FANTASIZE ABOUT BEING WITH. You are either being disingenuous or willfully ignorant. If the story is the main point and so great, why even bother making it a gacha? It's not like visual arts was hurting for money and they had a relatively large following after the success of little busters, clannad and summer pockets.>It's fully voice actedSo is reverse:1999, HSR, Genshin impact and many others>having a male MC for the playerBA's MC is genderless even though you like using it as an exampleMaybe take your head out of maeda's ass and you might see things more clearly.
>>750004231A visual novel is called a visual novel. Eroge just means a game with explicit sexual content in it(which is not exclusive to visual novels). Maybe you should take your own advice and know what you are talking about before posting your takes.
>>750004398Your rebuttal meant absolutely nothing.You rebutted to "why wouldn't he make [unviable option] instead of [unviable option for the same reasons]?"
>>750001490>The reason HBR was made was that Maeda wanted to make this titan of a project, but the business model of eroge hasn't been viable in ages. The gacha formula allowed him to create the ideal, final masterwork he wanted to make, something that rests entirely on its writing being a honest to god visual novel and nothing more, and secure the funds and continued financing he requiredErgo, he sold out. If he didn’t care about the money he would have just made it a visual novel.The sole purpose of gacha is to efficiently create and milk whales. That is the entire purpose of the gacha model and the sole reason it exists. It is a model born from transferring the Japanese gambling industry to a mobile format.
>>750004476"visual novel unviable"Even supposing that was true, what was stopping him from releasing a light novel, manga or even anime(like charlotte, TDIBAG, or angel beats)? He's pretty well known in the industry so it's not like he would have trouble pitching the concept and securing funding like he did for the aforementioned. If the story is that amazing, then he would have no issue making it a long running series like other mainstream LN's, manga or anime. I'll wait for your cope.
>>750004684Ecchi has been slowly but surely pushed towards the gacha mines. That's the real issue
>>749971513Literally who? Actually, I bother. I don't care...
>>750004684>Ergo, he sold out. If he didn’t care about the money he would have just made it a visual novel.How are you so fucking stupidGenuinely how does one fail to read a single forum post in which the answer is already contained, and believe that they're making a point?Anon there is NO FUCKING FINANCIAL REALITY in which someone would've been able to pay for the fucktarded development costs of HBR. It would have NEVER been HBR as a visual novel, because no studio in existence today has the money to finance something like this.Not a single one.You can't name ONE who would even have the COMPANY VALUE to make it possible, let alone spend the monstrous amount of money it costs.You keep going "hurrr sell out" as if he is pocketing the money, instead of skirting exactly as much as they can afford to finish a project that contains hundreds of songs, 50+ fully voice acted characters, and one of the longest scripts in VNs.>>750004760Literally nothing you proposed makes the project possible.You keep ignoring the scope of this project.There is no traditional otaku media type, literally none, that would have allowed him development costs in the millions. None.Your rebuttals all amount to "But what if he made something smaller, that took longer, and made even more compromises?"And somehow your interpretation of "he took the road that would take the least compromises" as "he sold out", the somehow diametrically opposite meaning of the word.You are proposing someone finances building a quaruple decker cruise ship with a lemonade stand.
>>750004787What you see in gachas can barely be considered ecchi outside of fringe cases like Browndust 2. There are some successful r18 gachas like Muv Luv girls garden but those are rare af.
>>749985058eroge are shit, if you like watching cartoons getting stuffed with cocks and covered in jizz something's wrong with you
>>750004998you are also doing it by believing all ecchi where like its most extreme examples>>750004787Mahoako and Chained Soldier arent even that old
>>749971513For me, its Gao GirlIn all seriousness, hope he gets better
>>750005105Why did you enter this thread?Genuinely, if this is your opinion of the medium, why did you enter a thread whose purpose is mourning someone in it?
>>750004956If the main selling point of HBR is the STORY like you claim, how exactly is something like a LN not a viable path? How is a visual novel not a viable path if he chooses not to go HAM with production values(very easily doable while still looking presentable). Why would no production committee want to commit to HBR concept as an anime given maedas track record with clannad, AB, charlotte, LB and etc.? If the story is that fucking amazing, PC's would be throwing money at it and fans would be lining up by the droves to support it by buying merch and demanding new seasons/sequels. Maybe, just maybe, it's just another lame bandwagoning and cashgrab attempt by KEY and not that great of a story as you so claim(with dogshit gameplay).
>>750005164I sorted by reply count, found the first post with a bunch of replies and made my valuable opinion known
>>749988559good post
>>750005214>If the story is that fucking amazing, PC's would be throwing money at itnigger this has never been true, what are you talking about
do i need any patches if i buy this stuff on steam
>>750005386Then explain how maeda secured funding for something like charlotte, AB or TDIBAG?
>>750004956The most optimistic interpretation of this then is that he essentially made a deal with the devil, because that is what gacha is, it doesn’t matter how “unviable” everything else may be, it just matters that gacha as a genre and a model exists to create and milk whales through cynical tactics lifted straight from the gambling industry. That only gacha is able to make this much money through such obviously predatory means speaks both to the ease in which otakus are manipulated and the general unfavorable position of otakus media in general.
>>750002361exactly
>>74999142751 is not "elderly". We have people living past 110.
>>750005497those are all short storiesthe scope of what he wanted to tell with HBR was not something feasible by releasing multiple VNs unless it would have taken him like 50 years alone
>>750005468it's not worth reading key's old games with the porn
>>749991427>>750005598We have literal chimpanzees living past the age of 80.
>>750005214>how exactly is something like a LN not a viable path?The music is a vital part of the project, There are entire albums published alongside the story, and by the end it'll have more than 200 tracks.>if he chooses not to go HAM with production valuesAgain, you are not proposing any solutions. You are saying "what if he made something else?".He didn't want to make something else.He wanted to make his magnum opus and retire.>Why would no production committee want to commit to HBR concept as an animeBecause he did not want to make an anime. This is fundamentally a visual novel and wouldn't work as well in any other format.>If the story is that fucking amazing, PC's would be throwing money at it and fans would be lining up by the droves to support itThat comes after. A visual novel is an expensive venture in which the entire bulk of development costs happen all at once, and then you bet on a return. HBR is too big, too long, and Maeda would have not able to secure the funding needed, even being Maeda.It's just not how the industry works. HBR could not have happened even in the 2000s. It's just too big.>Maybe, just maybe, it's just another lame bandwagoning and cashgrabAgain, HBR is not massively profitable. It's expensive to make related to its profits, and the music royalties are split with yanaginagi.You have this extremely bizarre bone to pick with gacha as a format, to where it's blinding you to every single fact, because to you "it's a gacha" is the utmost evil, and to hell with any reality of the matter.>>750005516Please look at the actual game instead of nebulous "le gacha is le shit so hbr is the same".There is no PvP content whatsoever.There are no ladders or rankings for rewards.There is a slew of SS1 units distributed for free to make the story clearable for you.Literally any single critique you could have for "but le gacha" is pulverized with no recourse by the actual game, against your headcanon of it.
>>750004052the western binary attitude towards sexual content is so strange, it makes me wonder what these people's actual relations with porn or sexual content is like? being someone with a more 'japanese' mind, I guess, I'm very comfortable in seeing sexuality displayed in various levels across many different kind of media, but the west has an almost autistic "separation" that makes them go completely schizo? Have they never thought about the idea of "porn" combined with good gameplay? Why act so dismissively towards sexuality? How do we dissolve the sexuality binary in the west? We saw this past decade when this ridiculous ideology is pulled to the extreme, as the west is now considering general prettiness and beauty as synonymous with "porn", and so all non-porn media must contain ugly unattractive people. It's just bizarre.
>>750005651okay. are all of the games in the key super bundle good?
>>749989150I liked that it as well but didnt like that he made her go full retard, not anime retard.It made me sad and remember real people suffering.
>>750005160>hope he gets betterif only, anon. given the context, i hope he doesn't suffer too much before the end.
>>750004787I understand why gachas have ecchi (hyper-competitive markets force companies to do anything to survive) but its sad we no longer see it outside of that context, given how its been proven to be a sales multiplier. Developers now seem almost embarrassed by ecchi, only including it when market realities demand it. That's why we see western games begrudgingly returning to the most bare minimum of sexy woman, because they're all losing money and manpower and are desperate to survive.
>>750005879the fault 100% lies with valve for this btw. biggest pc platform, ecchi stuff is either censored, game is forced to have adult rating where all the disgusting porn is, or is outright rejected
>>750005621So what's stopping him from making it a LN series? Making a light novel is fucking pennies compared to making a fucking gacha game. Hell he could do it for nearly free by making HBR a web novel. Or he could make it a manga series that keeps getting serializations like one piece, detective conan, hunter x hunter, berserk, naruto, bleach and etc. This is all under the assumption that he could not secure funding after pitching it to PC's despite his track record and being known in the industry and that the anime would not be popular enough to keep getting new seasons(despite the story being so amazing and having Maeda's name attached to it).
>>750005770not all, mostly the older ones are good, pretty much everything that is Little Busters and before are good, also I take back what I said about the porn, you might want to read Kud Wafter which is a Little Busters fandisc if you like cunny
>>750005715>“it's a gacha" is the utmost evilYes. If you want me to play your visual novel don’t lock it behind gambling mechanics and endless grinding.
>>750005715>It's expensive to make related to its profits, and the music royalties are split with yanaginagi.i really hope Key keeps working with her honestly. i've been obsessed with her ever since Rewrite, and i very much appreciate that Maeda thought the same; so much kino in HBR.
>>750005957yes, I remember when steam was considered the last bastion for ecchi games, given all the console censorship at the time. but then valve got the prude bug and began acting even worse than the console companies.now all we have is, what, nintendo japan? but it feels like so much censorship has happened for so long that companies now don't even want to try anymore. I think the only thing that could change this is if the eastern games industries goes through something similar to the west, where they massively lose money and manpower until they are forced to include ecchi to survive. Unfortunately, that seems like the only viable path.
>>750006043>don’t lock it behind gambling mechanics and endless grinding.Good thing it's not then.
>>749987870what's wrong with fish? ain't its oils like super good for you or something?
>>749997538pumping
>>749994583This but unironically
i'll try hbr because people keep complaining about limbus being a gacha and that game is really good and wouldn't be possible without the massive cash flow
Faggots.
>>750006180If you do it constantly your odds of consuming parasites go from low to guaranteed
>>750005715You're shifting goal posts with 'muh music'. In what world would anime not be able to depict what a VN could given enough budget? One piece has 1000+ episodes as does detective conan. You make it sound like he needs funding to adapt the entire story at once rather than releasing it in seasons. If the work is popular enough, more seasons will come naturally. If the music is that integral he could release it as a visual novel episodic series(plenty of studios have released something of massive size with a much smaller budget than VA, like baseSon, alicesoft, eushully, so I don't buy your excuse).
>>750005963>So what's stopping him from making it a LN series?at this point? probably the cancer.more likely, he seemed to enjoy having music and animation to tell his stories. he was just built for visual novels
>>750006072It's not really soly steams fault in so much as it's government(washington where their HQ is based) and payment processor pressure.
>>750006286why did lose have to die...
>>750006295You have no idea what you're talking about on any level of this conversation.Even if HBR was possible as an anime production, and it's not, it would have to be of an absurd length unfit for any release schedule.Every single proposal you make is exponentially worse than what they ended up doing.>You're shifting goal posts with 'muh music'.If you're unaware of what HBR is to this level then that's it for me in this convo.I honestly don't understand how you can argue this passionately about something you don't care nor know anything about.
>>750006385They didn't die, they just rebranded as whisp and still publish and release games. Their reasoning was that 'they didn't want to be compared to the bar they set with maitetsu and monobeno'.
>>750005963>So what's stopping him from making it a LN series?time nigger, can you not read>Making a light novel is fucking pennies compared to making a fucking gacha gamelol
>>750006072>now all we have is, what, nintendo japanNot even, they censored Tokyo Clanpool and several qureate games. Even if they weren’t censoring, it’s a global market now and Japanese companies want their games in the west and don’t care if they have to censor and potentially alienate the Japanese otaku audience because the western market is just so much larger. Even back in the day games like Senran Kagura and Gal*Gun sold more in the west than Japan.The only way ecchi games come back is if console companies somehow drop their policies and/or the west goes through a massive economic collapse that incentivizes refocusing on the domestic market. Of course that just means we gaijins get hung out to dry, but I guess that’s just the price we pay for not being able to defeat our homegrown censors.
>>750006453>Their reasoning was that 'they didn't want to be compared to the bar they set with maitetsu and monobeno'.It's kind of great that you can make a game studio with just one dude and a logo in Japan.In many other places you wouldn't be able to make a branch company just because "you want the visual distinction".
>>750006416And you sound like a die hard fanboy engaging in olympic level mental gymnastics to justify gacha garbage. Funny how you ignored my example of smaller studios making 70-150+ hour length gameplay/visual novel hybrids with a fraction of the budget of VA. And to repeat my example, if the anime is popular enough it will easily secure enough funding to have enough episodes to cover the story like One Piece, Bleach, Detective conan, Dragonball and etc. Your mid ass story and game relies on dumbass lonely whales with gambling addictions to stay afloat and keep doing what they do and it's also the reason tencent bought out VA(to make money).
>>750006102i vaguely remember flat hand filtering the fuck out of JPs by itself, and chapter 4 was in general way harder.
>>750006475You dumb nigger, in what world does it take more time to write a LN than make a fucking Gacha? HBR came out in 2023. In the same time span Maeda would have been able to write just as much if not more as a light novel.
>>750006102Unless they nerfed it, some of the story boss fights being a dps race and needing 2 teams filtered a lot of people
>>750006498Actually the biggest consumer of otaku content is china, and the chinese don't have the same hangups about 'problematic' content like westerners do. If you look at the sales data numbers, westerners make up a fraction of the playerbase outside of more generic mainstream titles. Gachas, galges are way more popular in China than in the west.Also I looked up senran kagura, most of its sales came domestically(from japan).
>>750006498Yeah thats what Im saying, the only way this could be fixed is if Japan starts sweating financially just like the west, the problem is that even when censored, Japanese art is inherently more appealing than ugly western stuff, so its still gonna sell well because the alternative is worse. That's my worry.
iirc the top rated steam game of all time is some loli vn and all of the positive reviews are from china
>>749974008that's kind of a self own bro
>>750006039do you think the bundle is worth it or should i wait for an even bigger discount
>>750007171the bundle is pretty expensive to be honest, especially when you can pirate all these games easily on nyaa and sukebei
>>750006995>the only way this could be fixed is if Japan starts sweating financially just like the westJapan is already in a recession, it’s in fact contributing to the decline of ecchi in games and anime because it makes them want to sell to foreign markets more and avoid “risky” media.If you crippled the west economically, it would lose a lot of its ability to dictate terms to the Japanese and Japan would have a lot easier time just telling western censors to suck their dicks. The problem is of course, being a global economy, any damage the west suffers to its economy will almost certainly spill over to Japan as well.
>>750007307Japan should just pull the plug and dump all its bonds on the US. Our economy is not far from fucking imploding so they might as well squeeze as much money out of muttland as they can to lessen the impact.
>>750007307someone just needs to hammer it into their heads that "risky" media has always sold well in the west and all the complainers were just a loud minority.of course, its different when the censors have actual institutional power. I hope the western market collapses too, fwiw, and honestly its looking like its going too any day now.
>>750007431Oh it's going to and it's gonna be ugly. Oil shock, our debt interest payments, bond market, inflation, unemployment and our stock market being propped up by AI(which is slowly starting to collapse).
>>750007506it sucks but if it means panty shots in vidya again it will be worth it
>>750006180japanese like eating raw fish a lot, although not bad in moderation, you can still get parasites or mercury poisoning
>>750006072>now all we have is, what, nintendo japan?censored as wellstop pretending they're not cracking down on it
>>750007431Of course, you could tell them that all day and in fact it often worked back when the primary sources of censorship were just the localizers. The whole reason Gal*Gun came west to begin with is because of MattPapa organizing a fan campaign to convince Inti Creates to bring it west, and Double Peace went on to sell over 100k copies and become one of Inti’s best sellers.The calculus changes, though, when the censors are the platforms themselves. At that point you’re competing with every single bing bing wahoo or GTA/cowadooty consumer and you just end up getting drowned out. Moving platforms then becomes the only option, and it’s becoming harder and harder to find a platform in the west that doesn’t have these policies.
>>750007543Not really. If all goes according to plan, the great reset will come by 2030 where everything will be controlled by corporations, which will result in a completely censored dystopia hellscape that makes today look like a fucking paradise.
>>750007649its the best we have currently. its like a sinking ship, the amount of space for you to not drown is only shrinking.that's why I think the people naively going "nintendo japan is uncensored, so don't worry about it!" are tools. we've already seen what direction these things head, unless there's a massive paradigm shift nintendo is gonna go the way of steam.>>750007707Yes, even GOG is censoring like Steam these days. And any alternate platform is gonna be so niche you might as well save your money and just draw hentai on pixiv.
>>750007431Western consumers literally only consume eastern media because it has sex appeal that our own media has lost. For Japan to turn around and start removing it from their own media is some of the stupidest shit I can imagine. Do they think we're playing gacha, reading manga, watching anime to listen to them say "thanks for the food", "Well it can't be helped", "Leave it to me" and the other 15 phrases that comprise 99.9% of their language?
>>749982092>>749972903kek, doesn't look too comfy >>749982649you kinda have a point but you're too gaijin to realize the japanese wagies are humiliated too
All of these posts are passive aggressive "troll" shitposts made by a single person, in a single thread. Over 350 posts in one thread by one person trying to "bait".>>>/vg/585041539 >>>/vg/585040823 >>>/vg/585040326 >>>/vg/585040078 >>>/vg/585039568 >>>/vg/585039069 >>>/vg/585038713 >>>/vg/585038547 >>>/vg/585037640 >>>/vg/585037202 >>>/vg/585036662 >>>/vg/585036264 >>>/vg/585035935 >>>/vg/585035498 >>>/vg/585035263 >>>/vg/585034898 >>>/vg/585034862 >>>/vg/585033942 >>>/vg/585032912 >>>/vg/585032349 >>>/vg/585032029 >>>/vg/585031970 >>>/vg/585031936 >>>/vg/585031848 >>>/vg/585031804 >>>/vg/585031517 >>>/vg/585031495 >>>/vg/585031380 >>>/vg/585031078 >>>/vg/585030973 >>>/vg/585030932 >>>/vg/585030724 >>>/vg/585030450 >>>/vg/585030383 >>>/vg/585030360 >>>/vg/585030284 >>>/vg/585030056 >>>/vg/585030052 >>>/vg/585030006 >>>/vg/585029640 >>>/vg/585029583 >>>/vg/585029504 >>>/vg/585029454 >>>/vg/585028858 >>>/vg/585028291 >>>/vg/585028259 >>>/vg/585027921 >>>/vg/585027807 >>>/vg/585027654 >>>/vg/585027550 >>>/vg/585027428 >>>/vg/585026973 >>>/vg/585026929 >>>/vg/585026273 >>>/vg/585026238 >>>/vg/585026020 >>>/vg/585025858 >>>/vg/585025651 >>>/vg/585025442 >>>/vg/585025307 >>>/vg/585025151 >>>/vg/585025128 >>>/vg/585024780 >>>/vg/585024749 >>>/vg/585024528 >>>/vg/585024525 >>>/vg/585024508 >>>/vg/585024452 >>>/vg/585024329 >>>/vg/585024309 >>>/vg/585024173 >>>/vg/585024139 >>>/vg/585024123 >>>/vg/585024002 >>>/vg/585023984 >>>/vg/585023945 >>>/vg/585023840 >>>/vg/585023716 >>>/vg/585023707 >>>/vg/585023675 >>>/vg/585022226 >>>/vg/585022000 >>>/vg/585021870 >>>/vg/585021683 >>>/vg/585021376
More spam from a single person.>>>/vg/585021373 >>>/vg/585021197 >>>/vg/585020927 >>>/vg/585020753 >>>/vg/585020582 >>>/vg/585020425 >>>/vg/585020380 >>>/vg/585020191 >>>/vg/585020102 >>>/vg/585020053 >>>/vg/585019987 >>>/vg/585019885 >>>/vg/585019816 >>>/vg/585019774 >>>/vg/585019689 >>>/vg/585019597 >>>/vg/585019529 >>>/vg/585019385 >>>/vg/585019238 >>>/vg/585019178 >>>/vg/585019167 >>>/vg/585019090 >>>/vg/585018945 >>>/vg/585018825 >>>/vg/585018717 >>>/vg/585018639 >>>/vg/585018592 >>>/vg/585018419 >>>/vg/585018306 >>>/vg/585018258 >>>/vg/585018206 >>>/vg/585018125 >>>/vg/585018024 >>>/vg/585017936 >>>/vg/585017627 >>>/vg/585017461 >>>/vg/585017042 >>>/vg/585017040 >>>/vg/585016889 >>>/vg/585016528 >>>/vg/585016264 >>>/vg/585016221 >>>/vg/585015950 >>>/vg/585015894 >>>/vg/585015723 >>>/vg/585015663 >>>/vg/585015619 >>>/vg/585015442 >>>/vg/585015290 >>>/vg/585015049 >>>/vg/585014749 >>>/vg/585014193 >>>/vg/585013935 >>>/vg/585013478 >>>/vg/585013207 >>>/vg/585011607 >>>/vg/585011195 >>>/vg/585010907 >>>/vg/585010896 >>>/vg/585010817 >>>/vg/585010469 >>>/vg/585010352 >>>/vg/585010193 >>>/vg/585010170 >>>/vg/585009628 >>>/vg/585009495 >>>/vg/585009240 >>>/vg/585009184 >>>/vg/585009090 >>>/vg/585008862 >>>/vg/585008509 >>>/vg/585008405 >>>/vg/585008339 >>>/vg/585008070 >>>/vg/585007861 >>>/vg/585007640 >>>/vg/585007306 >>>/vg/585007240 >>>/vg/585007152 >>>/vg/585007115 >>>/vg/585006473 >>>/vg/585005967 >>>/vg/585005961 >>>/vg/585005951 >>>/vg/585005716 >>>/vg/585005610 >>>/vg/585004416 >>>/vg/585004179 >>>/vg/585003925 >>>/vg/585003525 >>>/vg/585003352 >>>/vg/585003247 >>>/vg/585003076 >>>/vg/585002145 >>>/vg/585001908
Continued. All of this is one poster in a single thread. >>>/vg/585000980 >>>/vg/585000292 >>>/vg/584998825 >>>/vg/584998146 >>>/vg/584997360 >>>/vg/584995946 >>>/vg/584974340 >>>/vg/584973731 >>>/vg/584973598 >>>/vg/584970949 >>>/vg/584970668 >>>/vg/584970423 >>>/vg/584970274 >>>/vg/584970173 >>>/vg/584969984 >>>/vg/584969852 >>>/vg/584969201 >>>/vg/584969050 >>>/vg/584968728 >>>/vg/584968595 >>>/vg/584968535 >>>/vg/584968447 >>>/vg/584968240 >>>/vg/584968214 >>>/vg/584968179 >>>/vg/584968067 >>>/vg/584967729 >>>/vg/584967547 >>>/vg/584967248 >>>/vg/584967186 >>>/vg/584967128 >>>/vg/584967079 >>>/vg/584966832 >>>/vg/584966791 >>>/vg/584966396 >>>/vg/584966290 >>>/vg/584965994 >>>/vg/584965827 >>>/vg/584965676 >>>/vg/584964458 >>>/vg/584963987 >>>/vg/584963128 >>>/vg/584962720 >>>/vg/584960847 >>>/vg/584960380 >>>/vg/584959562 >>>/vg/584958936 >>>/vg/584957725 >>>/vg/584957590 >>>/vg/584956129 >>>/vg/584955545 >>>/vg/584955473 >>>/vg/584952285 >>>/vg/584951915 >>>/vg/584951452 >>>/vg/584951289 >>>/vg/584951063 >>>/vg/584950842 >>>/vg/584950765 >>>/vg/584950723 >>>/vg/584950714 >>>/vg/584950665 >>>/vg/584950405 >>>/vg/584950396 >>>/vg/584950307 >>>/vg/584950151 >>>/vg/584950109 >>>/vg/584949952 >>>/vg/584949821 >>>/vg/584949773 >>>/vg/584949395 >>>/vg/584949346 >>>/vg/584949146 >>>/vg/584949141 >>>/vg/584948994 >>>/vg/584948810 >>>/vg/584948740 >>>/vg/584948536 >>>/vg/584948516 >>>/vg/584947976 >>>/vg/584947814 >>>/vg/584947756 >>>/vg/584947405 >>>/vg/584947272 >>>/vg/584947262 >>>/vg/584947229 >>>/vg/584946676 >>>/vg/584946635 >>>/vg/584946378 >>>/vg/584946309 >>>/vg/584946183 >>>/vg/584946073 >>>/vg/584945749 >>>/vg/584945728 >>>/vg/584945660
dude what?
Again, all one person. In a single thread.>>>/vg/584945451 >>>/vg/584945380 >>>/vg/584945351 >>>/vg/584945305 >>>/vg/584944932 >>>/vg/584944869 >>>/vg/584944502 >>>/vg/584943949 >>>/vg/584942967 >>>/vg/584942624 >>>/vg/584942583 >>>/vg/584942037 >>>/vg/584941186 >>>/vg/584937807 >>>/vg/584937534 >>>/vg/584934508 >>>/vg/584934451 >>>/vg/584928280 >>>/vg/584927918 >>>/vg/584927649 >>>/vg/584927298 >>>/vg/584927240 >>>/vg/584926907 >>>/vg/584926618 >>>/vg/584924262 >>>/vg/584922504 >>>/vg/584918513 >>>/vg/584917109 >>>/vg/584916184 >>>/vg/584915707 >>>/vg/584915621 >>>/vg/584915174 >>>/vg/584914307 >>>/vg/584914098 >>>/vg/584914010 >>>/vg/584913703 >>>/vg/584912689 >>>/vg/585043389 >>>/vg/585043519 >>>/vg/585043839 >>>/vg/585044004 >>>/vg/585044126 >>>/vg/585044532 >>>/vg/585044620 >>>/vg/585044674 >>>/vg/585044767 >>>/vg/585044771 >>>/vg/585044947 >>>/vg/585044965 >>>/vg/585045086 >>>/vg/585045174 >>>/vg/585045216
>>750008560I am rounding up the spam posts from a schizo to link them all to the mods in one spot over IRC
