>Dude, just spend 10 fucking K for a gaming PCThis isn't sustainable
>>750128705>You need to spend $4000 on a gaming pchas been a retarded meme for years, it's just been upgraded to>You need to spend $10000 on a gaming pc.Nothing has really changed for the average pcfag who will spend roughly $1500. You get a lot less for that now than you did a year ago but it's still enough for gaming.
>>750128705Is there are reason why you picked the absolutely most top of the top high-end specs for the PC? Because I achieved a high-end build for total I'd say 2500€, built it myself.
>>750128705It's not that much retard, everyone should have 10k in his pocket to spend anytime right now.
>>750128705It isn't. Looking at the performance gain over a 4090 the 5090 should be a upper midrange card and priced at around 800 bucks.
>>750128705so what game can you play with it that you can't play on an alder lake i5 and used 6600xt
They want this to be unaffordable to you so you start shelling money for games as a service
>>750129282people got really really mad when i said this last year
Prices are never going back down btw. The consumer pc market share is 10%. They dont care about you. They know they can charge whatever they want now and you will pay up.
>>750128705Bought nvidia for the past 10 years award
Meanwhile, black people are looting PS5s for free, lmao
The Series S was the undisputed budget king before the price increases. At $299, no other machine on the planet could play CP2077 @60fps.
>>750129320Not that anon, but prepare to get mad yourself at what I suggest: get into stocks and/or crypto to ensure you can always upgrade your setup.If you're not investing/trading in the markets already, you're pretty fucked. Simply saving isn't enough these days. The price of everything is rising quicker than wages are, even if you work multiple jobs.
There's absolutely no reason to leave AM4 for gaming
>>750128705Those PCs are for editing videos or genning ai.1200/2000 is peak gaming for what we have now.
i still got my 1050 ti and i can run everything
Of course it's sustainable, very sustainable even.Lots of people who used to buy cars don't do it anymore and the average car is way more expensive than a gayming rig.People also have less kids, so that's not a financial burden either.You can also socialize less outside, so money gets saved doing that too.We might not like it, but if we look at the average person's purchasing power, basically anyone can easily buy a 10k product.Just pay in installments and you're good.Top end rig like that will be good for the next 10 years anyways, so it's not even that bad when you take that into consideration.It just feels absurd considering how insanely cheap computing has been in the recent years.
>>750129586& expect price of ram and gpu to x3 in the next 2 year btw (not joking).This is indirect feudal lockout of the plens from local compute. Not good.
>>750130150I can easily buy a 10k product that's why I don't easily pay 10k for a 2k product.
>>750128705Anyone who has a window on their case or colored light fans is a tranny.
>>750128705It’s not meant to be sustainable. Try voting for someone who doesn’t hate humanity.
>>750129396I bet the stores could eventually send serial numbers to sony and then brick them remotely
>>750128705Nobody is telling you to purchase the GPU that isn't being manufactured for consumer use anymore.
>>750128705you can thank ai sloppa for that!
>>750128705>10k GPU>700 dollar CPU>4TB of storageassuming it's not assembled like shit and actually works paying sub-10k for that is not bad right now
>>750131231Scalpers on discogs also sell their fotm first press for 1k to a friend to sell it again for 300 bucks to some retard who thinks he's making 700 bucks because that was the last confirmed purchase.Never pay more for something than you think it's worth only because the seller says it's worth more.
>>750132440>Scalpers on discogs also sell theirKek, this discogs analogy isn't quite the same situation as Nvidia literally telling retail consumers that there will be less production line stock allotted to them in the future, plus that little there will be is all going to be rapidly more expensive year on year.You don't see people of all ages, especially young working people with discretionary income, playing rekkids and cds all the time. You see them on their computers. Which they'd ideally like to upgrade at some point in the next few years.
>>750128705So what. Modern games are trash anyway.
>>750128705>This isn't sustainableYeah and its by design to force rent cucking not only software but hardware too.
>>750129141>spending 10k to play modern games
>>750128705he's our only hope
This looks like great place to ask because i am afraid /g/ will laugh at me.Heres my current PC:CPU - Intel Core i7-3770 3.4 GHzGPU - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (6 gb)MOTHERBOARD - ASUS P8Z77-V LXRAM - 16GBIts 10 years old, but it was perfect for me so far, sadly i REALLY want to play poe2 and its just impossible on current rig, i need upgrades.What are my Cheapest option? And what is my most interesting options that leaves room for small upgrades in future?
>>750128857>Nothing has really changed for the average pcfag who will spend roughly $1500. You get a lot less for that now than you did a year ago but it's still enough for gaming.only top tier pcs were above 1.5k back in the day
>>750132840>rare goods out of production ppl don't really need.I think it checks out pretty well. At 10k you really can just get a console of your choice until things cooled off or play your backlog for another 5 years. Nothing in these pcs is worth 10k of entertainment like no LP is worth more than 20 bucks. It's all in ppls head.
>>750128705you don't need a 5090
>>750134082new cpu first
>>750129396>Meanwhile, black people are looting PS5s for free, lmaoYou know they just brick stolen PS5's remotely, right?Only value it has is selling it to some sucker.
>>750135225These are probably already hacked, if le jamal is smart.
>>750134630>>rare goods out of production ppl don't really need.>I think it checks out pretty well.Based retard. Consider the market size for local compute, globally, and continued retail demand over next few years. Then consider comparative market size of discord buyers.I get it, you like music, very cool anon.
>>750128705the bottom 10K one might be worth it you could probably resell that ram and x90 for more than the pay price.
>>750134082>>750135170Yeah but what socket type is the current cpu? Homie is gonna need to do a motherboard swap which means also upgrading the ram. I certainly do not envy the pc bros with old hardware. T.riding out the storm with:Gpu 5060tiCpu 5600x32gb ram1tb m2 ssd x2 one for windows, one for vidya installs.I'm hoping for a black friday deal on a 5800x3d cpu which will hold me over even longer but I'm not paying 300 bucks for it right now.
>>750138821Well one of my friends suggested>wait half a year - 1 year for China to kick in with ram, their ddr4 is pretty good>Ryzen 7500f>any b650/b850 motherboard (they are similar)>2 sticks of 16 gb ddr5 (All in on Chinaman)>keep gpu because neither poe2 nor CS2 needs better one
>>750139032QRD on China? What's happening over there with regards to pc parts?
>>750138821>5800x3dShit advice, 200-300 bux for CPU without any possible upgrade options. I guess its fine if you are planning to not upgrade your pc for 5 years.
Currently saving up around $10-$15k for my next build. I hope to spend significantly less that.... but since we're in the middle of some kind of world war and all this AI shit looks like it's the future. I'm probably going to have to end up spending a lot. Shit, that is if terminal streaming platforms haven't completely replaced computers by the end of 2030.
>>750128705>2020 >finally graduate, get a job and have money for once in my life>inflation goes into overdrive and I'm basically back to where I started
>>750139194China is trying to become a serious competitor in RAM manufacturingThats it basically, Samsung CEO said that they will impact globabl ram prices soon (trademark)
>>750139340get fucked kid
>gtx 1070>8gb ram>i5 7600k>1tb HDDWill I be ok if I just add more ram and get an ssd? Oh and switch to win11 from win7
>>750131089restarted ahh snoy
REMINDER: Your favorite streamer has two full working PCs and you don't even have one
>>750139470I can't wait till the US lifts restrictions. I get that their hardware is straight up compromised. But my current hardware is compromised! Why can't I have a choice in the dick that is fucking me! It's not fair!
>>750139639I don't watch streams and I have 10 pcs
I run a>4070ti Super>64 GB DDR5>Ryzen 9 7900X3DMost expensive parts were the GPU ($800) and CPU (like $500 I think? I don't remember) and it runs everything I want at 1440p 60+ FPS. I would be shocked if the total price for my PC was over $2,000. You don't NEED a 5090 and if you do (and I mean NEED one, not just want one for your video games), you probably can either get one through work or make enough money to afford one with inflated prices.
>>750139470Thank fucking god. Based China flooding the market with cheap chinkslop into another industry to tank prices for the benefit of consumers. We need someone to bust up the current pc parts cartel asap since our worthless governments won't do it.
>>750139851>64 GB DDR52 sticks of 32gb can be worth up to $1k
>>75013779710k is babby numbers in audiophile insanity anon.
>>750139286That's EXACTLY why I want it. I am NOT doing a motherboard swap again any time soon so the 5800x3d being the top tier of the am4 slot could hold me over for another 5 years but again, I am not paying fucking 300 for it.
>>750128705We told you not to wait.
>>750139486yeah ram and ssd sounds good but do not go to w11. if youre gonna switch then go to 10
>>750140005LDC mics can easily top that. You're not wrong, but I don't like it.
>>750128705I waited to upgrade now im still on ddr3 tell me there is hope to upgrade this year to a decent computer.
>>750139806Your browser history says otherwise
>>750140148>W-We told you not to w- ACCCCCCKKKKKKK
>>750140227This year? Definitely not.
>>750139962I paid $220 for 64GB. I'm looking at DDR4 (which is still completely viable for PC gayman) and I see 32GB Corsair for $260 on Amazon, which should be more than enough for someone who wants to play on PC to get into PC gaming. I also see 3060tis for $460. My point is you can build an affordable PC easily that will do 80% of what most people want to play. You might be locked to 1080p 60fps but its still doable.
>>750140252I don't watch them live, I watch the edits.
>>750140316>This year? Definitely not.Its so over.
>>750128705even the lower end is god awful. a 5060 TI 16GB that went for 430 is now going for 830+ and is also out of stock. and its not like that card is running every new game on ultra at 1440p either you're still having to turn down settings for certain games.
>>750140386you do know that 32GB of overclocking tier ddr4 was $50 14 months ago
>>750128705>5090There are subhumans playing Monster Hunter: Wilds on their Steam Decks. Existing PC components have a long ass runway, and it will be some time before appreciable numbers of people are TRULY priced out of PC gaming.
>>750140005>10k is babby numbers in audiophile insanity anon.The issue is you keep insisting upon yourself and your music hobby when no one asked. The analogy isn't even good. All your posts are>pls notice me senpai
>>750140316Depends on Chinaman
>>750140662Look at your calendar. Christmas is in 2 months. No one can unfuck the market in 2 months.
>>750140616Thx for noticing me. All my posts are just. Don't overpay for shit that's not worth it especially if the guy selling it to you insists it's worth it and the price regulary crashes once a new version drops.
>>750140739I thought anon meant >this yearas >in 12 month from todayYeah, until christmas its impossible, but i have to say i am checking marketplaces frequently for used pcs and from time to time i come across great deals.
I can‘t even find a low end pc with a 5060ti/9060 for around 1000€. If there‘s no good deals on black friday i‘m just gonna get a steam machine and embrace the 1080p lowest settings life
>>750128705Someone would only buy that for gaming if they wanted to play in 4k native resolution with path tracing.Pic related gets 1080p 120 fps on most games with DLSS.
>>750128705>Waitfag yappinDon't care, you had plenty of opportunity. Its your own fault.Enjoy that 970 on its last legs bro.
>>750140956>DLSS
The cyber monday sale is going to be insane this year.
>>750140985im enjoying your mom's creamy pussy on the end of my dick bro.
>>750128705Without sounding like a retard, a shitposter or a mentally ill tranny explain why you need a 5090 for gaming.
>>750140956>8gb vram
>>750141245To play Super Mario 64 on a poorly coded emulator
>>750141245I want to play crysis at max settings.
>>7501413285090 is not a cpu, it only draws the picture. Games and emulators run on cpus.
>>750141245>needI don't strictly need it but it is really nice. Why are you asshurt about people having nice things?
>>750140481Its still affordable though3060ti - $46032 GB DDR4 - $260R7 3700x - $200B550 - $150A case and PSU can't be more than $150 total. $1220 total cost not including fans/heatsink (and some CPUs come with one)
>>750141245Its investing in your rig for the future>>750141453I would get one if it went back to MSRP even though I have a 1440p monitor.
>>750140956>Ryzen 5Bets what it's going to be? 5500?
>>750141453Is it worth 10k?
>>750141409Ironically can't do that with contemporary Nvidia drivers.
>>750140806>let me reiterate my gay analogy that doesn't apply here againIt's like you lack the ability to mentally model different market size and demand.
>>750141489>1.2k for a 3060ti buildNuke the whole industry
>>750141669Hell no. But I won't sell it either, I enjoy looking at it and maxing everything at 4k ultra. I bought it for near MSRP
>>750128705just buy a discount prebuilt dell, add a used old gpu and psu
>>750128705Kek I found high end premades at Costco for 1500, granted that was the sale price but the original was only about 22-ish.
>>750141731There's no demand for 10k 5090s anon. It was hardly worth msrp.
>>750129586Yeah man, buy those stocks and crypto then watch them dip outside of trading hours and even if they peak during hours suddenly selling is restricted. Also enhoy your crypto wallet locked and loast if you don't touch it within a certain timeframe.
>>750129396>just be a nigger, bro!
>>750142139Our society is built around worshipping niggerdomMight as well act like a nigger yourself, it beats paying taxes like a cuck
>>750134082Come on, bros, help a brother out
>>7501426705700x and 9060 xt which is gonna be like 700 bucks lol. Maybe you can find a used 3080 or something for cheap
>>750142670With that motherboard only your gpu is worth boosting abit but depends on your reso 1080/60 anything will pretty much work.
>>750128705>top CPU>top GPUyou don't need that>b-but $YOUTUBE_GRIFTER said...you. do. not. need. that.
>>7501392865950X still exists at least.
>>750142873>>750143069He doesnt need new GPU to play PoE2 thou
>>750128705>Now that I'm old enough to get a job is when component prices skyrocketFuck my life. You're really just fucked if you weren't born into a wealthy family that spoils you huh
You people do realize that you should build PC according to your needs, right?Like why do you even need TOP OF THE LINE $4k for?Genuine question
>>750143084Idk if it's just me but if I have to turn ANY setting down besides useless shit like motion blur I just stop playing the game. That's why I bought a 9950x3d and a 5090
>>750141146For some reason I can't run Darktide without DLSS. I don't think a 4080 super is bad.
>>750143227Same. I‘m not spending a months salary on a gaming machine
>>750143437>look at me I am a retarded consoomerok bro
>Buying a pre-built >From Amazon
>>750143608It didn't cost me any more than launch MSRP. The way things were going made it obvious waiting was not the right move.
>>750128705Thank God all the games I play are 15 years old or 16-bit JRPGs and Pokemon knockoffs. I weep for idiots who need to play NuGoW or Red Dead or some other reddit game at 300fps in 4K and need to spend more money on a computer than you would a new car.
>>750128705Just get the 5060 version and enjoy it for ten years
Unironically, why wouldn’t you just buy a gaming console? I get it seems plebeian, but I imagine the next console generation will have integrated Steam into its software. Why wouldn’t you just buy a console?
>>750128967i checked om pcpartpicker, and it went to 4500€
>>750144104>but I imagine the next console generation will have integrated Steam into its softwareFuck no, they won‘t
>>750144104>Unironically, why wouldn’t you just buy a gaming console?I do. I have a PC, Switch and PS5. PC for gamingSwitch for exclusivesPS5 for Blu-Rays and Code Veronica.
>>750144104can't use a console to watch yt videos on a second monitor while you game
>>750144104Consoles charge for online play and there's no real perks anymore.
>>750143774well, good for you bro, hope your having a blast, but unfortunately OP is shit out of luck
The price of ram and ssd's is what sucks the most.
>>750144104Partially the reason why I always had a PlayStation was to play my huge library of dvds and shit. I have a PC and if that shits the bed then I think I’m all set with new video games.
>>750141810/threadYeah, it's very nice but the price/performance ratio on the 5090 isn't very good for vidya in general. There's a good chance of devs toning down gfx because high end hardware isn't affordable for most. Which is pretty shit if you have the flagship card.
>>750144585Games take 6 years minimum to develop these days. If devs started to target lower spec hardware once prices hit the roof you‘ll see the effects of that in 5 years at the earliest. I fully expect AAA games in the next few years to be very demanding
>>750144907Anon, watchdogs got downgraded last minute, shit was on the disc but ppl still needed a few months to mod it back in.
anon you think we wouldn't buy an "enterprise work computer" instead of a "consumer pc"? oh wait, they also got expensive.what makes you think they never come down?
>>750145124Except modern devs are vibecoding bullshit on ue5 and couldn‘t optimize their games if they wanted to
>>750128705I spent $1000 on my PC late last year, didn't need to urgently update but I saw the writing on the wall and got one while I could, and there hasn't been anything I've been unable to play at high settings yet (but I don't play big open world UE5 games, maybe those are too unoptimized to work). That PC would cost $1700 now unfortunately, but you don't need an RTX 5090 for gaming, that shit is only necessary for AI slop. Even if you do want AI slop there are models that can work off 8GB of VRAM
>>750145353That just means that the downgrade gonna be worse because the 3060 is still the most popular gpu according to poorfag stats.
>>750134082There's no cheap option, you'll have to change everything for poe2
>>750145527You don‘t get what i‘m saying. These guys have no grasp on the engines they‘re using. The days of devs using their own engines that they know inside out are long gone. The most they can do is lower some things and pray ai upscaling does the rest but that‘s not enough
>>750141245You didn't need any of the Titans either but Nvidia kept making them and retards kept buying them. There's some halo effect that having a flagship model brings to a lineup that doesn't or won't exist when it's axed to make way for more Pro workstation cards.
>>750128705do niggers on this site really think buying computers from shitmazon is an own? like everyone knows these retards scam their customers, just build your fucking own or buy a cheap one, from microcenter. or any other computer shop and just stick what you have instead of trying to upgrade for a new scrimblo game.i swear this board should've just stay offline for 3 days would've kept all that nintendo shilling away.
>>750145782I know but #notalldevs.Besides the pt shitshow eday was actually really well optimised on ultra... would have been nice if they would have done that for an ue5 game that doesn't fucking suck.
>>750128705>This isn't sustainableOf course, it's by design. Now go back to paying for your much more affordable subs :]
>>750146248subs?
>>750139639Also, your favorite streamer rubs slimy penis all over his cheeks so what's your point.
>>750128705it shouldn't be, but there's absolutely 0 chance that the current government does anything about the ram cartel and price gouging going on.
>>750128705>RTX 5090Hmm surely this isnt a biased consolepoor seething about PC again
>1 month's salary is expensive Lmao okay
>>750147183>Boy do I love being ripped off!
>>750129396>protestors>scored
>>750128705just loan it without interest fee?
>>750128705Sustainability isn't the goal. The consumer market is a fucking spec of dust to them so we're basically stuck in the early stages of a corporate war where digital media companies are being attacked by the very hardware makers that enabled them.
>>750148074>The consumer market is a fucking spec of dustb2b sales are great in volume and stability. If you are lucky liquidation sells can be sources for consumers in the future. You get the things from closing business or what businesses are going to replace.
>>750148074>he thinks all the data centers have alrdy been paid for.It's a bubble... not a wrecking ball
I built a desktop for 6 thousand dolar yesteryear. I checked current prices it's more than 20 thousand.
>>750128705Nobody need that. Those a top top of the line that is overkill for games. You don't need 8k path tracing to have a good time. 1080p is enough. 120fps. That costs around 2500. More than console, sure, but much stronger.
>>750142308I'd rather die than be goycattle
>>750128705what are you a 3D animator? a local-AI slopper? you dont need hardware that high end for just gaming. buy a 2 grand PC at most, and it’ll last you years
>>750135379overdrive pre-installed, free games forever
>>750131173i can thank ai sloppa that I just bought the last affordable SD cards at my local officeworks "on clearance" because the newest batch is 3-4x the price. imagine paying au$600 for a 1tb SD card
I have a crappy PC (1070 and i7-4790) and a Switch 2 don't even know what else I would need. Most PC games I play are shit like Balatro and Hearthstone Battlegrounds anyway which can run on my iPhone kek. You can build a decent 1080p machine for not a lot of money if you want to play new games too.
Waiter will win in time, be patient.
>>750128705Should I go for arctic LF3 or thermalright peerless Assassin 120?
>>750128705i'm saving up to spend 50k on a gaymen PC
>>750129396What about the games?
it isnt so devs will actually have to abide by 2025 standards until prices drop again.
>>750128705feeling pretty good about my purchase
You WILL play vibe-coded indie slop and you WILL like it.
>>750128705thank god I didn't fall for the wait meme
>>750128705It need to be like that for a few years to force the subscription and no more personal computers. Around 2030.
>>750128705decent PC is around 4kgaming is still like the most cheapest hobbies there is
>>750128705>I must buy or I die
You see what you should have done it bought it when it was cheaper.
>>750134312you'll have to account for jewish money printing debasing the currency though
>>750128705bro, you can build one yourself for like way less, still more than you used to be able to because of AI jeets, but if you're spending more than 3k you're doing something wrong, if you're spending between 1k and 2k you can build something that will last 5+ years.
>>750141293Fell for leather jacket's gaslighting award
>>750134082You'll need a whole new rig a this point. Build a cheap AM4+ socket computer so you can re-use your RAM. The expensive part will be the new gpu, which you might as well just grab the strongest one you can afford.
>>750128705>still cant play gta 6 on launchOMEGALUL
>>750157540Correct, it'll be played before launch
>>750139934>won't do it.*are actively supporting it
>>750128705Consoletroons were spending 20k years ago financing 10 foot TVs just to watch pozzed AAA """""games""""" though?????
>>750141293Yeah he only needs about 4 for 1080
>>750157814Facts.
>>750140094CPU isn't so important these days and your PC actually likes going over 100%. Just go a tier down in the same range.
>>750157973I'll check back in on CPUs once the holidays roll around.
>5070TI>9800X3D>AM5 B850 MOBO>2TB SSD>32GB DDR5 6000 CL30>1000W PSUshould be good at 1080p until cloud gaming faggotry finally starts in 10 years or so
>>750128705Controlling for inflation, that's what PCs sold for in the early 90s. What we're seeing isn't a slide into dystopia but the end of a golden age. We had it just that good a few years ago.
>>750128705Is it cheaper now to buy a pre-made than build a pc? What if I just transfer my 3070
>>750160197Eh I regret getting the 5070Ti, I really should have just dropped a few hundred more for the 5090
>>750161307Well, I've built this whole build new in July this year, 5080 seemed like a money waste 300-500 euro difference in Eastern Europe, 5070ti was an obv pick here. 5090 was a lot too but obv it's way worse now...honestly when I look back I could've probably gone with a 5090 instead, budget was not the problem I just did not expect for this shit to escalate even more in just 3 months and with my luck my 5090 would probably end up burning or something.
>3060ti
>>750128705boomers got to live a real life, gen X got to play with cars, millenials got to play with PCs, zoomers get to play with rocks
>>750131089that's messed up and racist yo
you don't need a 5090 it's slopjust get a 5080
>>750129396Imagine how much money they can make from the stolen PC parts a couple of RAM sticks can be sold for thousands
No wonder this piece of shit is dying.Happy that it is too.
i play nothing but homm3 multiplayer, starsector and classic wow. i can run all of these on a toaster tier laptop. games have no business requiring anything more to run
