Kojima was buttblasted by this. Now billions must be censored because you made fun of his game!
>>750133012What gameplay does this even have besides walking around?
>>750133071>Real "walking simulator": Walking = tilting the control stick forward at maximum (slow) speed without regard for terrain>Death Stranding: Walking with heavy cargo on your back = tilting the control stick forward, holding the triggers (to keep balance), going slower on hazardous rocky terrain, keeping warm in cold weather...
>>750133071Inventory and weight management. Vehicle driving. Delivery boy simulator. Combat. Throwing. Sneaking. Some basic building. Showering. Peeing.
>>750133071>proving his point
>>750133071>the "walking simulator" label came from echo chambers>twitter told me you're wrongthis level of delusion is unprecedented.
>>750133071it's kinda like mgs5 if you've played that. just less focus on combat and more about traveling mechanics. i like to think mgs5 as prototype for death stranding
>>750133603I like to think of DS as MGS V but worse
>>750133012walking simulators are their own genre of extremely specific indie "horror" / psychological games about introspection like yume nikki, he's not wrong to get a little mad. its clearly a strand game, about package delivery.
>>750133664there's nothing to even do in mgs5. it's just open world for no reason
>>750133782>Metal Gear is not a stealth game, it's a tactical espionage action game>Zone of the Enders isn't a mech battle game, it's a 2nd runner game
>>750133216>>750133251That doesn't sound very fun or interesting or even engaging.>>750133603MGSV was kind of fucking bad desu
I loved Death Stranding 1 and bought 2 on launch but find it so boring after putting in 20 hours or so. I'll get back to it but they ruined something about the game, I utilize the vehicles because they make the transport time faster but they're so fucking boring to use but i'm going to use them because I don't feel like artificially inflating my gametime by walking everywhere.
>>750133868ok forget what I said, he's just right to be mad, people are assholes and think they're funny. don't know why I ever bother trying to make an actual point followed by a light joke when this is the standard now.
>>750134139You just can't rename genres by slapping a new moniker onto them and pretend it grants you special snowflake status. Kojima is the kind of guy who, had he made that rumored Silent Hill game, would've said that it's not a Survival Horror; it's a [stupid fucking marketing gimmick genre he thought of]
The only reason this game got any attention in the first place, was because it had great graphics for the time and it was made by the same guy who worked on Metal Gear.These games had zero relevance and there's nothing memorable about them aside from walking.
>>750134306The most memorable thing about them was Sam doing the 30 yo boomer meme and drinking Monster Energy in the original, something that was retconned out of existence in the DC. Zero legacy.
>>750133012>Motherfucker literally says in promotional materials that he didn't want the game to be "too fun" and wanted to focus on scale and a sense of disconnection>People listen to what he said>HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED!?
>>750133012the walking simulation is the best part of the gameany time any of the characters were speaking I was wish they would just fucking stop already so I can go back to walking
>>750133071it also has gay ass stealth gameplay where you are not allowed to kill your enemies because killing is bad m'kay
>>750134306You don't remember this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXI7qZujm3Ior the guitar jamming boss fight?
i think this kojima guy is a real jerk
It is a walking simulator and that's okay, just depends if you like the gameplay or not.There's kind of a big reason nobody talks about the stories in these games and it's because they're totally boring and not a reason for the drive to finish the game.
>>750133012sorry im too dumb to understand what that title is supposed me mean.>"I'm right, you are all wrong"?
>>750134003I can recommend digging at your own thoughts to come up with something less vague.
>brainlets STILL seethingkojimaCHADS we wonned biggestly
>>750133251Wow, riveting. That faggot just wants to make a movie.
>>750133919>MGSV was kind of fucking bad desuMission variety wise, yeah. But the actual gameplay was great
Are Kojima worshippers even more retarded than Yoko Taro worshippers?
>>750134574Are you serious? It's one of those games?
>>750133012He's right though. Death Stranding actually has really complex strategic gameplay but so many people played it for an hour or two and dropped it and went online complaining about it being boring before ever actually experiencing anything in the game had offer and gave it a reputation it didn't deserve. Too many midwit opinions get boosted by the internet social media scene. Nobody wants to listen to "game journalists" anymore but for what its worth at least those people actually play the game before forming an opinion.
>>750133216So, Walking vs. Walking but with extra stepsKojima you geniouse
>>750135460>"are you serious? Hideo Kojima made a stealth game?"
>>750133216QWOP has deeper gameplay than death stranding
>>750133012But 90% of the gameplay is quite literally walking or driving around, you don't count watching cinematics play without interacting with the game as something defining the game, since in that case the reputation would be much much worse, since half the game is sitting in your chair and watching videos play on the screen.
>>750133251>ShoweringFinally!
>>750134306A few indie games got some death stranding DNA in them, a big one that /v/ likes being Peak. Climbing games became a small genre because of death stranding. Post 2020 when there's focus on methodical traversal, sandbox route creation with lingering tools or a visible backpack system it's death stranding echoing through the medium of videogames.
>>750135782>Kojima made a stealth game where you aren't allowed to kill people>>750135969I played Peak a few times and do not really see why people like it so much. The gameplay is kinda shallow and the map generation is atrociously bad.
>Kojima Derangement Syndrome
>>750136206
>>750133012But it is just a walking simulator.
>>750135867We clearly didn't play the same game.https://youtu.be/0izfj7ME6kI?is=p3yM2CvIHqRt9V9l
>>750136503>We clearly didn't play the same game.I played DS2 from starting to finish without doing much secondaries and can guarantee most of the game is running around back and forth, sprinkling like 10 minutes of combat for every 2 hours of walking around and watching videos play on screen isn't changing the fact that the game isn't mainly an action combat shooter.
>>750134574You can kill all you want, but you gotta drop whatever youre doing and dispose of the bodies before they nuke the area
>>750136503>generic TPS with some force lightning powersRiveting
>>750136729Maybe its not the games fault you choose not to engage with any of its content. Nobody said you had to like it. Stop lying about what playing it is actually like just because you don't like it. That's the point.
>>750133012I didn’t play the second one, but I really enjoyed the first one. I’d put on a good Audio book and start goofing deliveries
>>750136445Translation: "aah, i exist, aaa"People in this thread or elsewhere talk, just to say something and to make it known they've joined the conversation so they pull out simple memes they've seen orbiting the topic at hand. Such posts should no be mistaken for human language but are truly the cries of animals disguised as words. If they emanate from living creatures at all.
>>750136924Where's the walking simulator though? Your goal posts just moved and predictably you're failing to acknowledge that because you already know you're lying.
>>750136997>I had to distract myself with something else because the game isn't good enough on its own to hold my attentionMost damning statement I've seen of this game.
The "walking simulator"https://youtu.be/K7COthANjXQ?is=Q6SAFEyg4tjvjP7T
>>750137537>>750136503Why are they not carrying anything? What's the point of combat if you're not hauling a bunch of shit at the same time
>>750137849This footage is someone whose beaten the game already and just treating it like a sandbox and busting out every piece of equipment and weapon in the game for the kicks. My point is simply that all this stuff is in the game and there for you to engage with. Its not a walking sim. The balance of protecting your cargo while traversing difficult terrain full of enemies and environmental hazards is the experience here. People calling it that aren't just people who didn't care for it, they are lying about what it is.
>>750133012I think Death Stranding's biggest mistake is that it wasn't fun to play. Imagine coming home from work and playing a game that was a chore to play.
>>750133251>Combat. Throwing. Sneaking.why is there never a single webm of the combat, throwing, or sneaking in DS 1&2? the only clips I ever see are cutscenes or people walking and tripping as though there is a heavier focus on the walking aspect of the gameplay in particular.
>>750133012He's right. Which is why all you zoomers use the same 5 words for literally everything.>Every single piece of media in the internet.>Within top comments "DURR DIS PEAK FRFR!"
>>750133012>distort realityI don't think he understands words.
>NOOOOO IT'S NOT A WALKING SIMULATOR!!!! It's just a walking simulator with a bunch of gimmicks!Lmao.>>750135249That has always been the case. Kojombo is just a retarded westaboo Hollywood worshipper who wanted to use bideo games to launch his career. He never had anything clever or unique to say, thankfully he made the right move because cucksole gamers are genuine low IQ lobotomites.
I like Kojima. I like all the actors in it. I like the story. I like the music. But I disliked the game.
>>750133012>Too many people liked my game, it's slop for the masses. I must make it more pretentious to lose mass appeal.>NOOO NOT LIKE THATI can't wait for this faggot to kick the bucket.
I've analyzed the one strongest point of breakage between gamers and this game is the lack of any difficulty or rather challenge, some don't mind it and some utterly do. Someone seeking to be challenged will fundamentally disagree with DS as DS disagrees with challenge at every turn. The message is clear in both games: sweatlords keep out, don't sweat it. For some it's unacceptable. I myself dream of a difficult Death Stranding so i do understand but it rigorously does not want to be that game. I've learned to accept this fact of Death Stranding.If you're looking for the crux of the argument here it is, it's the center of mass.
>>750135707>Walking but with extra stepsYou just described 99.9% of video games since mario
I have played death stranding 1 to completion 3 times. the trash games like that gotg, shadow tomb raider, Jedi fallen order are infintitely more fun to play than masterpieces like zelda rdr2 elden ring. the moment sequels change to appease more fans who hated your first game it turns to dogshit like ds2
>>750133012>It's not a walking simulator, it's an amazon delivery simulator!lel
I think it shows how much Kojima needs someone to say no like Konami. Someone should have told him the idea is retarded and just make spy games.
>>750139168Logistics are super interesting. Picture all of the systems in your mind.
>>750139465If I want "delivery" and "logistics" I'll just play Euro Truck Sim not Kojombo's pretentious fart-sniffing garbage.
What if in Metal Gear, Snake's trousers would fall off if you didn't constantly press the trigger buttons. Also he might fall over if you don't tie the shoes every 10 minutes.
massive fucking a hag, mudrunner came out two years prior
>>750139552Logistics games don't have minute sci-fi details or a fantasy world to get immersed in so DS is different from those. It's light logistics anyway but i want to entertain this vision in my head. None of you understand the electrifying elegance of soda cans.
>>750139465This isn't logistics, stop extrapolating to something the game does not do.
>>750140261Amazon deliveries are logistics.
>>750138961The challenge scales based on your own decisions though. You can choose to play pure combat avoidance but you can also deliberately make things more exciting by diving headfirst at the adversity. I used to make a point to make high risk beer deliveries in DS1 all the time and moving through multiple dangerous zones just to get the thrill of defending my truck full of delicious beer from every terrorist or bt that dared to cross me on the way. It was NOT easy. I often failed completely, but it was fun for me to try.
>>750139889What if everytime Snake crouches his knees pop and he groans in pain, then walks super slow from back pain.
>>750139949What
I spent the entire gam riding the motorcycle or truck.Why the hell would you walk unless you are a LARPer?
>>750137849FIX YOUR FUCKING CARGO
>>750133012rather than a walking simulator its a game that simulates walking
>>750135610>hour or twoSorry, but your game needs a hook within the first 10 minutes in order to keep the audience's interest. That's how movies work, and Kojima wants to be a movie maker.
>average ds hater
>>750141648Fun gameplay. Not.
>>750141648this shit is bussing fr fr I like when he walked bravo Kojymbalaya
>death stranding is a walking simu->AAAAAAAAAIIIIEEEEE save me kojimasama!!
>>750141648Why didn't he just press the triggers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKTY6jaQ8O8
>>750133071It becomes MGS when dealing with mules.And DS2 allows you to just obliterate everything in your path by turning you into a supersoldier.It's only a walking simulator during the beginning of the game.
>>750133836The missions?
>>750141991This is why the film industry will never take him seriously
>>750133012He's right, DS1 and 2 take a fat shit on MGS except maybe Peace Walker and MGSV.
>>750140586There are only so many self imposed challenges and so many mechanics i can ignore until i find myself playing some alternate version of the game.Thankfully these games allows for self control over the level of play but playing a game to the fullest extent of its ruleset feels the best. Leave mature restrain behavior for real life, i don't want to control the buttons i press, i want to press all the buttons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bas_fZ1anQQ
>>750142251That's a compliment considering Hollywood is dying and their successes are either capeshit or Nolanslop.
>>750133012He's right.
>>750140586>It was NOT easy.This is how I know you didn't play the game. Either that or you're actually retarded.
>>750142578I'm not going to waste my life defending myself from nonsense allegations. I put about a 1000 hours into ds1 give or take and probably about half that on ds2. I don't give shit if some fuckass on /v/ believes me or not. You're garbage and a liar.
>>750142578Combat can be deadly without a bola gun. Better-Not-Fuck-Up tier combat.
>>750133012Your game has no demo. All I can do is either pirate it, or go by what other people are saying. Apparently for the first 2 hours, AKA the refund window, all you do is walk around doing fetch quests. To me this sounds like just holding the stick forward for hours. Maybe there's more to it than that, but again he failed to sell the appeal of the game well enough for me to investigate further after having already dismissed it.
>>750136962>Noo you played it wrong!!!>You shouldn't hold your phone that way because you block the antennas!!!>It's not kojimbo's fault that the MSQ is a fucking boredom!!!>You have to spend 10000 hours playing a single game to be allowed to have an opinion!!!Literal cultist mentality.
>make a bloated, stupid, obnoxious walking simulator with 500,000,000 USD facial mocap with Hollywood actorsKojima can lick my balls lmao, all that time, all that effort, all that money, for Norman Reedus to flop around.
>>750143454I forgot to mention, I didn't even know it had combat before this thread. That's how hard the advertising failed to control the narrative around this game.
>>750143523Lots of Kojima fans hate it because it's not Metal Gear.
>>750133071You watch movie cutscenes too!
>>750143116At least I'm not completely retarded and know how to play easy games.
>>750143637The narrative is that you want to avoid combat, but they also showed off Mads and his goon squad plenty
>>750143125The bola gun does completely trivialize enemy encounters, but to date I don't know what actually happens if you actually die. I recall the game makes dramatic screen effects, but it never actually happened, at this point I assume I'd have to make an active effort to die.
>>750133071Dogshit shooting and fighting
>>750138442When the game came out, I made several webms of wacky combat encounters for /v/. Unfortunately the combat isn't actually all that interesting, and people seemed to mistakenly would post them for a while thinking they made the game look good/to counteract the "walking sim" criticisms. I haven't seen them posted in a very long time though.
>>750144143>what actually happens if you actually dieIf you die normally you literally just wake up again after the repatriating sequence plays out, possibly with your cargo gone or stolenIf you get killed by BTs the same thing happens but it causes a voidout and the surrounding area becomes a giant crater for a while in-game
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>>750133216So, still walking though, right?
>>750133919>That doesn't sound very fun or interesting or even engaging.picrel
>>750138442Because the combat is yet another 3rd person shooter with stealth shit.Travelling using funny shit is the main thing because its fun
>>750133012Both games were really good. I really hope Kojima keeps making stuff, his stuff is always super unique and you would never see it made anywhere else. Itll be a lsoee when he stops making games.
>>750144143On the highest difficulties K.O. comes fast if not mitigated by shields, if i don't get hit and keep a firm grip on the battle situation then it's no problem. Sometimes durr i don't gear up, make a bad decision and an attack turns into a shitshow. Most players never allow the enemies to fight back in the first place so they might not know that they are indeed programmed to kill your shit.
>>750143657I just hate it because it fucking sucks.
>>750133012Kojima is such a retarded diva
>>750145243Try not to hate physint too much just because it's not metal gear.
>>750143657>>750145243Don't get me wrong, I think it was a fine game up until the last hours of the game where the alt-auteur shit started popping up and shit like the battle against the governor I think was called, and the nigga mannequin appeared dancing and singing for no reason which destroyed the mood of the scene, and obviously went downhill from there for me.
>>750133012The infinite tolerance kojima and elder scrolls fans have for dogshit media needs to be studied. Imagine how much easier life would be if you had these people's ability to convince yourself the atrocious media you're experiencing is actually awesome.
>>750143657But I love Snatcher and Policenauts and dislike DS. What now?
>>750145809Kinda faggy because Policenauts is much inferior to Snatcher
>>750145541Nigga mannequin would have been out of place if "the governor" hadn't played off of it immediately after, the governor gets angry at this ridiculous display and his reaction sells the scene. Suddenly it was real, it happened and it makes the antagonist seethe.
>>750145941Not him, but what's wrong with liking both even if what you say is true?
>>750133012mgsv was his last good game
Fags see this and get extremely angry for an inexplicable reason.
>>750134690>Suddenly for no reason at all guitar battle*yawn* reminds me the shit i used to watch on newgrounds.XD
>>750133012>"just walking simulator"I mean it's also a movie-game. And all kinds of stuff. But that doesn't mean it's not a walking simulator. Actually. Completely and fully unironically "just a walking simulator" would probably be an improvement in my book.
>>750133216So what is "strand type gameplay"?
>>750149237Dark Soul messages system.
>>750145957I don't even get why this scene is the topic of such obsession. They were in a simulated environment. Combat was pointless when Diehard man entered and had already hacked control of the network back. He used his complete control of the network to turn his entrance into a song and dance routine to demonstrate his absolute victory without firing a shot. It wasn't just some inexplicable musical interlude, it was Diehard man being sarcastic to his adversary.
>>750149237you are too american to ever understrand
>>750149237
>>750138442Because you never bothered to pay attention. There's been a lot of webms from both games posted showing off the combat and various shit you can do, like throw packages to knock out enemies, or drop kick them, etc.
>>750133012Remember when people sided with Kojima and shat on Konami for firing him? What the FUCK happened?
>>750149237Destiny 2: Lightfall
>>750133012He's right. Death Stranding is a cummies delivery game!
>>750142428based
>>750133603>just less focus on combat and more about traveling mechanicsSuch as walking?
>>750133071you can pick up other peoples' packages off the ground, then chuck them at other people so they do funny fall over animations and you destroy that person's package
>>750151121I do this in real life
>>750152029give it back tyrone... give it back...
>>750150353I got obsessed with it you betcha. That stupid dance with the cutscene before and the cutscene after delivered the most intense narrative roller coaster i'd experienced in years and i write this without an agenda or an ounce of sarcasm. I couldn't believe what i was witnessing and it's the indisputable peak of DS2, i never want to forget this moment and 2025 was the year of that cutscene. No it wasn't gameplay it was a cutscene but the controller rumbling in unison with everything made it quite immersive. https://youtu.be/6_bzBxNx1hI?list=RD6_bzBxNx1hI&t=62Independence Day hype speech BTFO, dance nigga is my president.
>make a game about an Amazon Prime delivery boy>you have to walk everywhere>you have to manage weight and balance>you have to plan your path across a perlin noise terrain with grass1 and rock2 PBR texturesIts a walking simulator. The whole game is about simulating the experience of walking.
Anonymous sure loves his semen tics.
>>750133012After finishing the KINO that was DS2 M$ should give him as many bazillion as he wants, he's one of the few if not only one who at least tries something new.
>>750147190probably cause the band isn't good lol
>>750154780
>>750135707Kojima invented the walking simulator. The others are just point and click games
>>750133012I cant fathom the level of broken you have to be to actually dislike either of the death stranding games. At worst they dont click with you, but they are both excellently crafted and unique.
>>750153241>has cars and ziplines and trains
>>750155791When was the last time I saw babby, Jesus Christ
>>750140261this guy didnt build roads to get the pizza delivered in 30 seconds flat
>>750158958how was it formed
>>750145741You are posting in a board that unironically plays absolute garbage like Palworld, Danganronpa, Life is Strange, Dispatch, and who will insist Kojima used to make good games back when his "games" were 70% cutscenes.
