Assuming we're not getting an "everyone is here" situation, are there any smash bros characters that you would be fine with if they didn't return?
>>750134271Well aside from shitmons like Incineroar, None of the echos really had any business being there in the first place. Daisy and Richtor weren't different enough to have any place on the roster. They could have added Shadow as a Sanic echo but they didn't. Such a wasted mechanic.
>>750134271>Doesn't want Incineroar to return
>>750134473how were simon and richter even different in the first place
>>750134634The owl would have been a better choice. We already had the retarded dragon for a fire type.
I don't care but if they don't add a new zelda character, then I have to question what sakurai's idea even is. There are a hundred great zelda characters and one of them is a clone of captain falcon
Get rid of half of the fire emblem cast. Chrom and Byleth can eat a dick
>>750134678Their fire is different only Olimar's red Pikmin cares about this
>>750134634Not OP but it should’ve been one of the characters from NES Pro Wrestling. Pokemon has way too many starters.
>>750136040i mean they got lucario and mewtwo
>>750134271Just off the top of my head:>Pretty much every echo fighter (it's understandable that they exist since they take less resources to make, but I can't think of any who I'd be upset to see get cut)>Semi-clones like Roy, Pichu, Lucas, and the extra Links>Most of the third-party characters>Lucario>Corrin>Ike>Falco>Wolf
>>750136261Both Falco and Wolf? I feel like Falco has a place on the roster. Maybe not Wolf so much. I think the melee cast has a place aside from Roy, Pichu, and Young Link unless they rework him.
>>750134271Most of them, a new Smash game should redo the roster from the ground up as if it was the first Smash game to ever exist. No sacred cows. Not even 64 OGs. Fire Emblem gets one (1) rep period. Right now Smash Bros has become a franchise unto itself with its own dedicated fanbase who demand catering to their Smash Bros nostalgia, when that's the opposite of how it should be.
>>750136261what's wrong with lucario?
>>750136629>No sacred cows. Not even 64 OGs.This is Jigglypuff erasure
>>750136813Yes, anon. Yes it is.
>>750136462I don't necessarily WANT Falco and/or Wolf gone (or most of those characters, really) but I simply wouldn't give a shit if they did get cut>>750136697Nothing in particular, aside from being furrybait I guess. I just don't care about Lucario
>>750134271Get Corrin and Roy the fuck out of there.
steve needs to go
ridley stays lmao hes in and he'll always be in you faggots got owned so hard lmao
>>750137736he's too big though
>>750137948yet hes in
>>750135919>>750136261>>750137069
>>750138056>you now remember when ridley and king k rool were both considered never evers
>>750138230I never once doubted King K. Rool. I was always a stan.
I want a slight Mario rework.>side B (tap) is the Cappy spin>works the exact same as cape>side B (mashed) is the tornado from 64/Melee>down aerial is Dr. Mario's stomp>forward throw is a hammer swing>down throw is ground pound
>>750134634Incineroar's design is so genuinely shit that it singlehandedly made me reconsider the direction of pokemon and was the reason I believed the starter leaks, because no fan would dream up that thing as an evolution to two unassuming cats. It proceeded to become the greatest cancer VGC has ever known and I didn't even like fighting it in Smash.I spit on that homo
>>750134271Remove Steve. I don't care much about anyone else, but remove that piece of shit.
>>750135082Sakurai hates grass types. I'm more bothered by Hoenn and Unova not having reps tho
>>750138891Sceptile really should have been a fighter, it's gay that he wasn't
>>750134271Yeah I'd 69 with him
>>750138085>series that's sold less than wario has 11 reps>BWAAAAH WHY DO YOU WANT THEM GONE SO MUCH
>>750136462Young Link is probably staying because of the OoT remake
>>750136813Please consider Scream Tail, made Jigglypuff relevant again.
>>750139178Jimmy T, Ashley, or 9volt probably has a better spot in smash than half of the fire emblem cast
Every character that doesn't have a sword except Captain Falcon he's cool so he can stay
>>750137069Roy can stay, both Byleth and Robin can fuck off however, avatar characters are and always have been cancer.
>>750138085I'm >>750137069 a FE fan. Corrin, Roy and Chrom DO NOT deserve to be in smash. There's several FE characters who'd be better picks than those three.Corrin is a controversial character who's fairly disliked for being an absolute moron and the protagonist of a game with atrocious writing.Chrom is a forgettable mid popularity FE protagonist who only got into smash as a callback to Robin and Lucina's trailer. Awakening certainly doesn't deserve to have 3 reps either.Roy is a bland inferior version of Marth and a dogshit unit. His entire popularity comes from smash and practically nobody who played his game gives a shit about him.There is no reason why those three should be in smash over more popular FE characters like Lyn or Dimitri.
>>750139434Considering Sakurai likes adding the latest Lord, it's more likely to see Eshmel over Dimitri as the resident lancer.Regarding OP, most of the 3rd parties most likely won't return. I can't picture Sakurai asking Disney to add Sora again.
>>750139182Young Link has his place in the roster. He's a speedy rushdown character. Meanwhile, you could remove like 5 FE characters and basically nobody would notice or care.>>750138982True, but Vaati oand/r Skull Kid should've been added back in BRAWL, but they don't actually care about what the players want.>>750139363Roy is the perfect Counter Playstyle to Marth, being a slow, heavy, in your face, heavy hitter rather than a nimble, tip of the sword, combo monster. So yeah, keep Roy.>>750139363Robin was the closest we ever got to a proper mage character, and I loved his mechanic, but goddammit, literally any other Mage Character would've been better(Vivi and Vaati being two good examples.)
>>750138085Objectively FE's representation in Smash is subpar to say the leastAll these classes and most of them are just sword lords. Fucking why. Not even Tiki or something. Byleth has a few weapons I guess, Corrin has dragon moves incorporated, but I mostly feel like only Robin is especially unique for the series since he greatly uses tombs and they even have durability mechanics.
>>750138085I actually like FE, but I don't like how a majority of its reps in Smash Bros are just dime-a-dozen sword lordsIf they're going to have more than 2 or 3 FE characters on the roster, I think they should at least throw in a villain or side character who could potentially have a more unique gameplay style. Give us a full-on mage or a mounted unit or an archer or literally fucking ANYTHING that'd actually stand out from the existing FE reps
>>750134271it'll just be an inferior game if the cast doesnt come back, no point in discussing it
>>750139683that's why i like corrin, he isn't just blue hair faggot. marth gets a pass since he was the first one to do itt
>>750139683Most of them are dogshit half assed clones of each other, and Lucina is outright a wasted slot, no matter how you look at it. She's literally just a worse Marth. Ike, Marth, Roy. Those are the ONLY three that should be considered for a permanent place in the roster.>>750139746If Steve isn't removed outright, the game is gonna be dogshit anyway.
No more than three reps per franchise Mario can have more but that's it
>>750139846Is it agreed that steve is the worst smash bros character?
>>750139860>Mario can have more but that's itSo how do you quantify pogeyman? pikachu, mewtwo, and lucario?
>>750138085Nigger, 10% of the roster is Fire Emblem. It's a fucking OBSESSION from Nintendo to promote this weak ass series that should have been dead a long time ago. It's completely relevant to bring up in the topic.The only other franchises in Smash that have that many characters are a series that even your non-vidya grandma will recognize. There are hardcore Nintendo fans that never even heard of Fire Emblem until Melee.
>>750139940For a shitload of reasons, yes. Between his dogshit impossible to balance...EVERYTHING, and the fact that he forced them to COMPLETELY remake every stage from the ground up in order for him to FUNCTION, and the bug that resulted from that allowing people to get slapped THROUGH the stage...yes. Yes he is.
>>750139846No fuck Roy. His biggest claim to fame is being in Melee. Keep Robin and it'll be good.>>750139940Yeah he was a mistake
>>750140081You could've just said you're mad Fire Emblem is more popular than Wario.
>>750140048Pikachu, Mewtwo, and Pokemon Trainer
>>750140182>>750139846like the other anon said, let's just limit FE to 3 characters. who do we pick? i'm going with marth, ike, and corrin.
>>750140305KANTOOOOOOOOOOO
>>750139846>Ike, Marth, RoyNah, fuck that. Having 3 basic bitch sword lords as FE's only representation wouldn't help anythingIf we're cutting it down to 3 reps then I'd personally go with Marth, Robin, and 1 (one) newcomer that's either a side character with a unique playstyle OR an obligatory shillpick for the most recent game
>>750140305i like pokemon trainer as a concept, but ivysaur and squirtle are gay, and charizard is pointless by itself
>>750140182Robin is a dogshit half ass lame fucking excuse fr a wannabe mage. Keep Roy, trash robin, get a REAL mage into the roster.>>750140182>Yeah he was a mistakeSee? I actually dropped the game entirely because I was forced to play against that piece of shit.
>>750140318Marth, Ike, and Eshmel as a newcomer to shill for the latest game like Corrin and Byleth did.
>>750140409Fuck robin. Get a REAL mage in here. Vivi, Vaati, etc.
>>750140318Marth and Ike are keepers I think everyone would agree. But as I said I'd put Robin in last since I not only enjoy playing as him but Awakening was significant for the franchise so makes sense to mark the era.In that sense I wouldn't mind sticking in a Switch/2 character either, but if given restrictions.
>>750134271delete all fire emblem characters
>>750140547Again, Fuck robin. He's a fucking waste of a slot. Bring in a REAL mage. I will GLADLY give up Roy(one of my mains btw) if you take Robin and Steve with him.
>>750134271Lucina and Chrom.I don't care if awakening saved FE or not, you already have Robin as a rep for it who also happens to have a fairly unique moveset, while Lucina and Chrom are just clones. Fix Marth so he isn't utter shit and get rid of Lucina and Chrom.On that topic, Daisy has no business being a Peach clone, if you are going to keep her give her a more unique moveset.I like the idea of having some characters like Duck Hunt, Megaman and Pacman mostly because of what they represent, but playing with or against them is an absolute chore and this wasn't a problem in the first 2 smashes or soBowser jr is annoying and shouldn't have the cart being part of his character, I would have preferred if he was like PichuAnd the miis should go, they are ugly, unoriginal and shitty. I also don't see any reason to have both YLink and Tlink, just keep one, either is fine.
I hate incineroar but as a character he was the most fun to play out of all the newcommers, by far
>>750134271I'm more than alright with Banjo and Sora being permanently cut.Both of them are godawful characters that are not fun to play as or against, and were only added in so trannies wouldn't kill themselves.Plus, Sora barely qualifies as a vidya character. He has more in common with Mickey Mouse than Super Mario.And of course; Banjo was never good.
>>750140585>>750140659>>750140684I have anti-Fire Emblem fatigue.
>>750140659>>750140497Robin is based, get fucked.
>>750140684Young Link is the unique one. Toon Link is like a weird little flightly, floaty, combo-less hybrid of both with none of the appeal of either.Remove Megaman until they bring back his Variable Weapon System(Custom Moves). That was his whole schtick.Daisy is just as bad as Lucina.>>750140812I have Robin Dickrider Fatigue. Get over yourself.>>750140828See?
>>750134271Jigglypuff shouldn't have been in to begin with
>>750140497Robin is an Awakening rep. It's an extremely significant milestone in the franchise's history that deserves SOME form of representation, and keeping him in would be the simplest way to accomplish that. Plus it's cool that he has weapon durability in his movesetBesides, why the fuck would Robin existing somehow prevent them from also adding a "REAL mage"? It's not like having a bajillion swordfighters in Smash ever stopped more from getting added
>>750140737ridley was a monster though
>>750140659No fuck YOU with Robin's jaged electric sword, he's cool and way more fun and unique than red Marth
I wouldn't care if Yoshi was demoted to an assist trophy.
>>750140889>>750140905See? More robin dickriders. I repeat, again, I ENJOYED HIS MECHANIC, BUT HE'S A FUCKING DOGSHIT EXCUSE FOR A CASTER CHARACTER.If removing him will get me a REAL caster character, I'll fucking take that trade in a heartbeat.
>>750140882jiggs was a semi clone of kirby. i think smackurai wanted meowth to be in smash 64 in the first place
>>750140905>red marth And this is how I now that you have nothing of value to say.
>>750141017>I wouldn't care if Yoshi was demoted to an assist trophy.riding around on yoshi as fox would be fun
>>750140219>Game is so popular that it sells less copies
>>750141086If that's true then fuck me, I want smash Meowth.
>>750141451I had to read this a second time lol
>>750134271Unpopular opinion but remove Zero Suit Samus. The zero suit did more damage to non-metroid fans perception of Samus than Other M ever did. They can replace ZSS with Raven Beak if they don't want to reduce Metroid reps.
>>750141190>Yet another sword lord that plays like another sword lord that no one cares about in his own series>Mage hybrid with unique mechanics that plays nothing like anyone else from a significant turning point in the franchiseObjectively who is better here
>>750141570Just do the Brawl thing and have it be part of her final smash.
>>750141642>Nothing of value here
>>750140341IS THE ONLY RELEVANT REGIOOONwhat do you want? Meowscarada? A Winds and Waves rep? Fuck off with your dead series you're lucky they don't get dumped and we add Palworld reps instead
>>750141071I don't care about what you think or want.
>>750142121>nothing of value here
>>750142265>nothing of value here
>>750142334>nothing of value here
>>750142052No, kanto is just fucking boring to wank off 24/7. Wank 2, 3, and 4 more. Rest I don't really give a fuck unless they're adding ceruledge
They kind of painted themselves into a corner and people are going to be disappointed and negative no matter what they do. Best thing they could do is remake the current smash and we would be lucky to get that. I could do with 90% of whoever the lame anime swordsman being gone, incineroar can gtfo and we get all new pokemon reps, unfortunately they would all be from newer games to shill that gen
>>750142496>ceruledgeA man of taste i see.
>>750134271Incineroar is a weird case because I don't want him but the porn he has made his inclusion much more tolerable, even if he didn't deserve it. I just want Sonic to not feel like shit to play.
>>750142761As much as I like Sanic, he's kinda gay. Knuckles would have been a better smash fighter.
A bunch of third-parties need to go. I'm not a NINTENDO ALONE purist (especially since non-Nintendo IPs were in the conversation even for Melee), but a lot of them just have little to no business being in a Nintendo-heavy crossover game. I'd keep Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man, MAYBE Ryu, Simon, Hero (if Square Enix takes the stick out of their ass), and Steve (but he needs nerfs).At least half the current Fire Emblem niggers need the ax, and are probably the easiest first-party cuts to make. The series is wildly overrepresented relative to its actual popularity and the gameplay/visual variety they've brought to the table so far. I'd keep Marth, Ike (fan favorite), Robin (the most unique avatar rep and FE rep in general), and Byleth (UNLESS there's an FE newcomer with an axe/spear). Demote Lucina to an Alph costume for Marth.Ganondorf shouldn't be "cut" as a CHARACTER, but his clone-y moveset really ought to be scrapped by now. Ideally, they'd treat a non-clone Ganondorf as a pseudo-newcomer (maybe sharing a trailer with a villain newcomer).Same as above for Dark Samus, but that seems like a much more unlikely pipe dream.The shota Links are a tricky situation. I'd say that "adult" Link should be given more stuff from the Wild games, and then keep either Young OR Toon Link as a retainer of the classic Link moveset, so that both eras of Zelda can be represented and not feel redundant in doing so.Replace Sheik with Impa by default, BUT keep Sheik as an Alph costume.Pokémon doesn't need much cutting down IMO. Just Pichu and Jigglypuff. The latter simply doesn't bring a lot to the table in moveset variety; I'm not even really concerned about relevancy.Keep Ness, since his moveset is so unique and since EB now firmly has a place in Nintendo canon as a respected cult classic (it was a standout game on the SNES Classic, and its addition to NSO was Direct-worthy). Lucas is hard to justify keeping with cuts due to moveset redundancy and his Japan exclusivity.
>>750143075Remove Steve entirely, or gtfo.
>>750134634>>750135082None of the fully evolved Alola starters were good choices
>>750143206didn't ultimate come out during sword and shield? shouldn't they have added intellion, cinderace or rillaboom?
>>750143368I think everyone hated this faggot.
>>750142496>>750142759Same fag. Ceruledge is cringe
>>750143513They're both gay I think
>>750143513Wrong on both accountsIt's a ghost knight net navi, cool as hell
>>750143368SwSh was a year after retail SSBU, so it would've only been eligible (on paper) for DLC. now that I think about it, it's kinda fucked up that Pokémon just got one newcomer but FE got two newcomers AND a new stage
fire emblemsaved you a thread
>>750143739SSB wii u got greninja before they even knew what it was
>>750143640Cringe and gay.
>>750143852I hate this frog.
What the fuck even is fire emblem and why the fuck do we need 20 of them lol? Just give that series a proper fighting game of its own, which would actually be cool, and stop ass-pull shoving 2 dozen of them into a game where next to no one wants them in.
>>750143075>(UNLESS there's an FE newcomer with an axe/spear)Eshmel canonically only uses spears and white magic.
>>750134271Every Star Fox character2/3 LinksCaptain FalconNessJigglypuffLucasIce ClimbersMr Game and WatchEvery Kid Icarus characterDr MarioRosalinaBowser JrSheikZSSDark SamusMewtwoPichuPokemon TrainerLucarioMarthRoyIkeChromOne of Robin or LucinaCorrinShulkDuck HuntSnakeMega ManPac-ManBayonettaPirahna PlantKing K RoolIncineroarPyra and MythraMin MinKenSephirothRichterJokerBanjoHeroSteveTerryKazuyaThat should be a good start for culling the roster of garbage
>>750144006how does FE have more fighters than mario?wario, DK, and yoshi do not count as mario characters. waluigi deserves to be in smash more than byleth or corrin.
>>750134271allmost all Pokemon and FE characters are a product of their time and they no longer serve any purpose on the roster.
>>750144179>mega man and pac manur gae
Only the Fire Emblem ones. Everyone else can and SHOULD stay. Even Sora.
>>750144205jiggs and pichu u agree with but pikachu, lucario, and mewtwo have a place
>>750144006It's Sakurai's favorite Nintendo IP that he didn't work on, and Nintendo got this delusion stuck in their heads a decade ago that FE was a "major" IP for them, so they keep trying to forcefeed it down people's throats to try making that a reality.
>>750144295Cringe characters from cringe series
I just hope Geno never gets officially added in. Genofags are the true worst of the fandom and their character is retarded.
>>750144179Dr Mario is the coolest character on the whole roster, Kys.
>>750144386>Lucarioabsolutely not. mewtwo is on the chopping block as is
>>750144450this but waluigi
>>750144450Banjo out of nowhere
>>750139587Screw Eshmel. He is so lame. The game tries to convince the player that he is all badass but he just comes off as autistic and awkward. Being a mute avatar just doesnt work in this game like it did with Byleth. I want Dietrich instead. He is so cool!
>>750144193Wario and Yoshi directly come from Mario games (I think) so I'd consider them one in the same. DK came first so he can have his claim.The better question is why the fuck does it have more characters than Zelda? And why does Zelda technically only have 3 characters with the rest being forms when the series is rich in fan favorites. My ass still wants Midna
>>750144469You know what? You're right actually, Dr Mario should stay.And honestly we should add Metal, Baby, Paper, and '& Luigi' Mario as characters too. Mario is literally Mr Video, he deserves as many spots as he wants.Not being ironic btw.
What's the funniest way to counter this cunt in Champions?
I find it hilarious that it took until fucking Byleth for one of Fire Emblem's reps to actual rep the weapon triangle instead of just being generic sword dude, when Byleth is from one of the few games to not use the weapon triangle.
>>750144725I like Robin using magic at least
>>750144612the zelda question is one worth asking. tingle, nabooru, or impa should have been smash mainstays
>>750144868Why Nabooru?
>>750144450I'd only accept Geno if Waluigi still gets cucked. I hate wacky ironybro Waluigifags more than I hate entitled hipster Genofags.
>>750144179>Every Star Fox character>Every Kid Icarus characterTRVTHNVKE
>>750144978Because she's hot.
>>750145005>You can't like a silly characterTime to dump Wario
>>750145142He’s fat ugly and crude, I’m okay with him going.
>>750143982Forg is based tho :(
>>750145005okay but if you were going to take a mario rpg character for smash, would you really go with geno? i think mallow would be a better option
>>750144612Wario has his own distinct universe and characters so that makes sense to consider as its own thing, but Yoshi definitely falls heavily under the Mario wheelhouse though, since his games still use a ton of Mario characters (and some of its new ones have cross-pollinated INTO Mario).
>>750145218Not that guy, but I always hated him too.
>>750145336why hate frog?
>>750134271>are there any smash bros characters that you would be fine with if they didn't return?Remove Alex. Not Steve I just don't like gingers in my games
>>750134678Simon's down B has the fire property.Which is niche for the olimar and link matchups, and theoretically niche with items.This is a bigger difference than Daisy, who USED to have a slightly different idle pose that technically made her just better than Peach, but they patched this out.
>>750145387Always just seemed too try hard and on the nose I dunno like they were desperately trying to make him cool and likable and shilled him a little too hard. Just rubbed me the wrong way
>>750145658you think they were trying to make him the next charizard? people actually voted him as one of their favorite pogeyman
The definite cutsDr. MarioPichuIce ClimbersRoyChromCorrinPokemon Trainer (Charizard can stay again)LucasRosalinaWii FitBowser Jr.Little MacHeroSoraSephirothCloudIncineroar
>>750143075I agree with most of this, I'd replace Byleth with Anna since you can BS a reason as to why she can use other weapons and make her the evergreen FE rep since she's in damn near every game (as well as give her a unique Smash outfit ala Athena from KOF). That way you can have a slot for the newest FE lord and things wouldn't be overcrowded. I'd also keep Jigglypuff since they've been here since day one. I'd personally cut Steve but I also can't see a reason to cut him outside of Microsoft not playing ball and they would be stupid to not.
>>750134271JigglypuffIce climberspichuroyikediddy konglucasr.o.bvillagerall koopalingswii fitcorrink rollisabelleinineroarpiranah plantjokerherobanjobyltehmin minstevekazuyasora(notice how most of the ultimate's newcomers were a fucking mistake)young link, toon link, and bowser jr should get a completely reworked moveset or get cuti dont mind echoes, but their existence should not be an excuse to steal roster slots
>>750145903I kinda agree here but I think little mac stays and banjo goes. cloud can stay but sephiroth gets raped.
An everybody is here situation is not hard to do. Fortnite WISHES it had the cultural impact of being put into smash bros, any third party character's respective company would fight tooth and nail to even hand out the lisence to use their character's franchise's likeness for fucking free if it came down to that. So the idea of cutting off third parties is nonsensical (even if understandable to some extent, i do not like Steve and Square Enix's shit in smash bros ever since clod got put into 4)What needs to happen when it comes to the roster however>Either de-clone or remove echo fightersRichter can definitely be spiced up, the Fire Emblem roster should be full of reskins or wholesale rehauls and Daisy sharing moves with Peach is retarded, bare minimum her neutral B should've been using those Jiangshi thingies from mario land 1>Spice up the semi-clonesYou look at Luigi getting some fun sauce over the years, then look at how LInk's clones are the same shit but with varying degrees of stubby hitboxes and start to wonder what the fuck did the zelda franchise do to sakurai & co. to keep the Zelda reps this garbage? Even Ganondorf got a bit of a glowup and he's his own can of worms (he definitely needs all of his specials except side B rehauled)>Better single player contentNo, world of light being just event mode with a map is not enough, i want something like SSE again, hell i would be comfortable with Melee-styled Adventure mode with more cool nods to nintendo's stuff>Improve onlineAnd i don't mean just netcode shit, i mean expand the structure of the online multiplayer by having different ranjking ladders for different gamemodes, so you can become King Casual who grinds the ladder is stamina mode, all items and all the "competitive" stages are blacklisted.>Improve itemsEvery single controller that has ever been used for smash bros has enough buttons for a third attack button dedicated EXCLUSIVELY for items, imagine using both normals and item moves, fun.
>>750146065>all koopalingsif you're gonna keep BJ may as well keep the koopalingsif it was up to me I'd turn BJ into a super heavy weight with a way bigger clown car so Morton and Roy get less deformed
>>750146235man fuck the koopalings give me wario's extra brawl costumes back
>>750146235I want bowser jr to have a moveset inspired in sunshine/mario galaxy movie with the brush and shit. That's why i'll cut the fucking koopalings
>>750146235wario still has his plumber alt, what do you care
>>750146384>actually had a good argument but replied to the wrong postEEEEYUPi TANKED that.
>>750146235As long as I can play as Ludwig I'm eating good
>>750146461well i'll just kill myself i guess
>>750145903>>750146065Forgot Kazuya on mine
>>750146065>cloud and sephiroth not on the list
>>750146860sephiroth absolutely needs to do, but cloud can stay
>>750146076I don't think Banjo's odds are good, but he's not in the fukkin gone group like the rest. He has a snowball's chance in hell. Cloud is ENTIRELY dependent on Sakurai working on it. If Sakurai is gone, Squeenix is too much of a prick to work with. Whatever black magic Sakurai had to negotiate with them leaves with him. Operating under the assumption that he's not working on the next one, he's super gone
>>750134271I genuinely feel the next smash should have a 100% fresh roster. And I mean like, Yeah sure you can bring mario and pikachu back in, BUT, these legacy characters need an entirely new move set.
>>750146991The incompetent assholes at Sega could get Cloud for their kart racer, probably fine
>>750147107so who would you prescribe? yes mario, pikachu, DK, and luigi, but who else?
>>750147107genuinely keep captain falcon the way he is or the series DIES
>>750147548captain falcon is the quintessential smash character as far as im concerned
>>750147674Absolutely. The fact that Ganondorf is a clone of him is only a testament to his staying power.
>>750147674On a foundational level, he basically IS mr smash bros, since his moveset is derived from Dragon Fighter, before it became smashAlso why Ganondorf is stuck as what he is.
>>750142761He really did a service by saving Isabelle from being fighter #69. That being said his grapple is fun and I like his revenge counter, he's always one of my picks when playing some matches for fun.
>>750134473>The only echoes with significant differences from their originals were Lucina, Dark Pit, Chrom, and Ken.>The rest of the differences were entirely superficial (Simon and Richter's Down-Bs), or nonexistent.>Then you have characters clearly based on another character (Dr. Mario, Falco, Wolf, Ganondorf, Young Link, Toon Link, etc.) yet are not considered echoes.>Then they never added any echoes as DLC, not even as a bonus packaged with an existing fighter.The hell was Sakurai's logic with this?
>>750148024>sakurai>logicyou okay, anon?
>>750134271I would be ok with none of the Ultimate DLC characters returning except for Banjo because he's the only one that plays like a Super Smash Bros character
>>750148525That's not exactly a good thing.
>>750136213That doesn't change the fact that it has too many starters.Honestly i think starters were already perfectly represented by PKMN Trainer. Wish they would pick more cool random mons
>>750136697I fucking hate Lucario's mouth so much. It looks so retarded, why is it under the snout? shouldn't the snout itself be the mouth?
>>750148649I think you're stupid is what I think
>>750138085I am a FEfag and i hate the FE characters in smash
>>750148651>Wish they would pick more cool random monslike what? i liked lokix and spydops from gen 9 but they were both kinda shit
>>750148649I just don't like gimmick characters. Banjo is the only one that i could see being in Smash 64-Brawl and that's why i like him
>>750134271Echo fighters and all of Ultimate's new DLC. Each single one of them.
>>750148880There are over 1000 to pick from. Anyone but a starter would be nice (specially because starters have been absolute shit these past 2 gens)
We need the entire Kanto dex.
>>750148882you don't like shitbrains like dr mario or ice climbers?
>>750148967>smash bros with only the 151 kanto monswho's the best? keep in mind, pikachu is better than mewtwo
>>750148993Never cared for Ice Climbers. I don't see how Dr. Mario is a gimmick character but i also don't care for him though at least he's funny
AndI'd say the shoe ins to be kept, come hell or high waterThe original twelve minus Puff and Ness BowserPeachZelda (though possibly a new zelda)ShiekFalcoGanondorf G&W MarthDededeMeta KnightIkePit & Palutena (only if Sakurai stays on)Sonic (barring fuckery from Sega)The Miis (though they could be condensed or remixed into tomadachis)Anyone past them is some level of debatable. Puff was almost cut already, original 12 membership is literally the only thing Ness has going for him, pretty much everyone from Smash 4 and Ultimate is either dependant on a shaky license, is some glup shitto or flavor of the month shill pick nobody cares about anymore. There would probably be more than that, but these are just the ones I can't really see ever being cut. Either they're enough of a brand staple that removing them is out of the question, have enough of a legacy in Smash that trying to cut them would rub fans the wrong way, or else are somewhat foundationally baked into the game, to the extent that a lot of other movesets source that moveset for their own moves. Sonic, Pit, and Palu are easily the weakest picks here since all of them are only sure things under "ideal" conditions. Ike is probably the next weakest, he's pretty squarely the main one relying on being a source moveset for a lot of other characters as his reason to stay. I could see Ike being replaced in this capacity, though I can't say who would replace him.Zelda being functionally cut as a property of her moveset being fundamentally changed is also reasonably likely, since Zelda has been dogshit for as long as she's been in it, and she makes the most sense to change to shill whatever new Zelda game is coming out when Smash 6 is getting made.
>>750149131thanks doc
>>750149112Venomoth becomes SS tier
>>750149112Nidoking
>>750148967based unapologetic genwun boomer
>>750149205parasect has spore
>>750149223See? that's a pokemon that would actually be cool in smash. I wonder if Sakurai could make it look as good as this on 3D too
Megaten rep when>inb4 Joker
>>750148902I could see Pythra being kept. Depends if there's a new Xenoblade coming out at the time. It would be too late to shill 3, and people do like them. I think Steve is also, unfortunately, pretty likely to stick around. Minecraft is very comfortable doing collabs, the kiddies cream their pants over it, so it's unfortunately pretty likely we're stuck with that blocky bastard forever. Not a sure thing, licensing can be tenuous, but, probably just behind Sonic as far as the third party shots stuck to Smash forever.
>>750149324this guy is an actual menace
>>750149356My problem with a possible Megaten rep is that i know it would be one of the main characters but i think it would be way cooler if it was one of the monsters like pic related
>>750149356Protag of persona 6.
>>750149417He's double weak to poison, fire, and flying though
>>750149453SMT I/2/IV/IV:A protag as a summoner ala Pokemon trainer
>>750149585I like that idea
>>750136697Lucario's popularity is waning. It's still pretty high up there, but nowhere near what it once was, and Lucario is generally just not seen in the playerbase. I have to imagine, the game being modern, playerstats are tracked, and anyone with as abysmally low pickrates as Lucario is on the chopping block.Like, seriously. NOBODY fucking plays Lucario.
>>750149695I dunno I like his aura mechanic
>>750149585I like it, probably won't happen. A hypothetical scenario, where you have to pick three reasonably popular and workable demons to use.Smash has to keep the kiddy, overseas compliant audience, so no scary demons, no demons with gore, skulls, or erotic themes, no overly complex, or overly simplistic body plans. Nothing that directly draws too much from a currently practiced religion, nothing obviously "demonic". If it's from the Ars Goetia, christian apocrypha, hindu, buddhist, jewish, islamic, ect myth, it's out. If it's directly invoking something popular used today, like Thor, it's probably out.My best approximation, is a team of Pixy, Jack Frost, and Cerberus. That, or some shill picks from whatever SMT is coming up.
>>750150161>Smash has to keep the kiddy, overseas compliant audiencei mean joker, mythra, pyra, and bayonetta don't exactly fit that bill
>>750150161>skullsDamn, no Matador?
>>750149695In my opinion lucario's moves just lack impact. I think it's almost purely an animation issue but it makes him unsatisfying to play.
>>750149453I would be for the jack bros
>>750150443he was shilled hard as gen 4's shitmon. he probably wouldn't have been in brawl otherwise
>>750148790That really does sum up my biggest gripe with the FE reps. Accross a series with characters of all sorts of fighting styles and profiles, it's always just sword dude. Couldn't grab a single mounted unit, shape shifter, spear heavy, pure wizard, or any of the other crazy shit?
>>750150591>>750150443Did gen 5 not have a shillmon? Why does it seem like they got skipped over?
>>750134271This thing is probably one of the first things getting cut in the next Smash Bros
>>750150642I still think it should have been Edelgard instead of Byleth. That way you get>An axe user>A heavy >A villainWhich are things smash is lacking
>>750150161Alright >Jack Frost >Oni >Cu Chulainn >Finn Maccumhail>ScathachThese are my picks
>>750150695they did
>>750150695It was Zoroark but they didn't shill it as hard as Lucario. A shame because i think Zoroark is a million times cooler than Lucario
>>750150695Gen 5's shillmon was zoroark, but they fucked up and made zoroark an event pokemon so no one was able to use it. Meanwhile in gen 4 you're just given a riolu egg during the campaign. It resulted in the lad being nowhere near as popular, compounded with gen 5 being the lowest selling mainline games.Also, by the time 4 released, it was time for gen 6 anyway.
>>750134271Nobody gives a shit about the ugly Bara Cat so its definitely getting the boot.
>>750140795What's up your ass, banjo is fun as fuck
>>750145907>I'd personally cut Steve but I also can't see a reason to cut him outside of Microsoft not playing ball and they would be stupid to not.He's a fucking pile of shit that makes literally everything in the game WORSE, development included. Literally his entire existence is nothing BUT reasons to remove him.
>>750150809>>750150823>>750150848what is zoroark supposed to be
>>750146950Remove Sephiroth and add in Kefka, Ultimecia, or Emperor Mateus to take his place. They ARE the three most powerful FF Villains in FF history.
>>750151693A fox. It's based on those fox yokai that can shapeshift tot rick people who's name i don't remember
>>750149165>keeping Shiek, Falco, and fucking Ike
>>750151796They're called Kitsune.
>>750151978Those things
>>750144179Do you even like Smash
>>750152735Yes but most of the characters are products of their time or Sakurai's shill picks and need to go
>>750144179>Captain Falcon
>>750152735i liked smash when it was a celebration of gamingthere's too many characters getting in just because they're third parties that happened to be relevant in 2015
>>750152857just take some modern F-Zero equivalent rep and give him Captain Falcon's movesetlike wheelchair basketball guy
>13 matchesCorrin is hot and if she isn't in then I shant be purchasing.
>>750153879this but male corrin
I don't want Jigglypuff back. I hated her ever since I was a kid playing Melee.
>>750155285I could see Puff getting cut in a smaller roster if they added a new Pokemon rep in her place
>>750134271Clones. they are you people call ''wasted slots'' so i feel every clone should be replaced or overhauled. besides that nintendo is like billionaire i dont care if they are greedy fucks. they are still billionaire. only indie devs are allowed to make excuses
>>750134271If be fine with: removing any or all anime swordsmen/womenremoving any or all third party charactersremoving clone characters (e.g., all the minor variations of Fox, Mario, Marth, etc.), though I recognize those are low labor means of padding the roster. trimming the Pokémon roster (Pikachu is the only essential, though I'm personally fond of Jigglypuff)I'm sure there are more individual characters that I wouldn't mind being removed, but I'd have to actually look at the roster to figure that out. Pretty much the only ones I feel need to be preserved are the original 64 cast, minus Luigi. And Dedede and Bowser.
>>750157124>removing any or all third party charactersI would prefer a roster that isn't bloated with too many third parties, but all of them? I dunno...
>>750157654There are some that I think are worthy additions like Megaman and Pac Man, but I don't think they need to be on the roster permanently. It's more interesting to have a unique rotation.
>>750158065This isn't an EA sports franchise where there's a new release every year. There's at most one release per console. There is no "unique rotation."
>>750157124>Pretty much the only ones I feel need to be preserved are the original 64 castCaptain Falcon Jigglypuff and Ness are relics, cut them awayFox is pretty close too
>make the most abhorrent bait Smash 6 wishlist possible>post it here>people unironically say it's 10/10
>>750134271Sonic. I don't care how iconic he is. I hate playing as him and he is annoying af to fight against.
>>750158542Those aren’t valid reasons bigot chud
I wouldn't miss any of these and the clones I listed would be better off as skins or something.
>>750158372>cut falcon from the gamedumb take
>>750158584Oops. Sorry to offend you Chris Chan. How's your mom?
>>750158976>Sorry to offend you [e-celeb or something]literally who
>>750146065>r.o.bWithout ROB you wouldn't even have a smash, you gigantic faggot
>>750134271sonic, banjo, sora, and lucario are lame as fuck to play and need completely kit changes. echo fighters need to be more different, cut a link out entirely, make the starfox character way more different, make lucas and ness specials more different. make roy have different attacks and just remove chrom and lucina (or make all three of them skins). i don't actually mind how many fire emblem reps there are since the non-marth clones are all unique and fun to play.
>>750146065>i dont mind echoes, but their existence should not be an excuse to steal roster slotsThere's no such thing as an echo stealing a roster slot you fucking retard. It's not like Sakurai was staring at an empty line on the Smash select.def file and thought "Hmm I could start work on a completely new and original character... or I could make a quick Pit palette swap... yes, I will make Dark Pit instead of Geno"
>>750134271all the non-nintendo characters except snake.
>>750144179I respect some of the bolder cuts but you kept trash like ROB, Daisy, Miis and Wii Fit Trainer in the game so I think all in all you're a nigger
>>750146065why do you think k rool gets the boot? ninty's made it clear with bananza that they want to keep him around
>>750159906even sanic?
>>750160123I don't think anybody plays the Miis, so it's essentially a non factor.
>>750159906But then you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for Nintendo reps that aren't playable/assist/trophies/backgrounds. Like I doubt people are gonna be hyped for the NES Golf Uncle.
>>750161069I'll say it again. There is only one Wario character in smash, and whether or not your consider Waluigi to be Mario or Wario, fact is he's not a fighter.
>New Smash announcement>Starts off in a Japanese shrine.>A shrine maiden is sweeping the ground, head obscure>A smash envelope flutters down.It's never going to be Reimu you faggot.
>>750134271Just Bayonetta and Kazuya Ishima. Bayonetta because she doesn't belong in a kid's game, what with her trying to make you cum your pants and whatnot. And Kazuta because I've seen gameplay of him, and he's literally just the same as he is in Tekken. You have to do input shit and memorise combos and his physics are all different. It's dumb, like playing a whole different game. Those are the only two who should be cut.
>>750161281Waluigi would be "Mario Sports Spinoff" with like, Plum.
Do we really need the entire cast of fire emblem in smash?
>>750161374sure enough, but that's kind of why he should be added. i think paper mario needs representation as well, but i don't think paper mario is the way to do it
>>750161456It's Nintendo's only JRPG series, of course it'll get priority.
>>750148024>significant differencesKen is just blonde Ryu. They're both shotos with extremely similar movements and have been since the beginning. Ken should have been a Ryu skin. Lucina should have been a Marth skin. Chrom should have been an Ike skin. Save room on the roster for characters that are actually different.
>>750161481Paper/Mario RPG/Mario&LuigiPaper Mario, Bloque, Fawful, Boshi.
>>750161456Yes but only as one character with different skins. There are enough sword lords to go around.
>>750161605I'd say just...knock it down to Marth (with echo), Roy (with Echo) and Lynn. A nice five reps.
>>750160123How much of a faggot do you have to be to not like ROB?
Give ROB some moves of Nintendo history. The grabber arm toy, the hanafuda cards, the love tester.
Clones and echos should just be alternate skins. They did this right with Hero. No reason not to do it for every other clone.
>>750139618It's too bad Nintendo fucking despises Capcom Zelda because otherwise Vaati would have been a shoe in back in the day, now he hasn't been relevant for like 20 years, which didn't stop other characters from getting into Smash but I digress
>>750160123Rob is the Brawl rep and Wii is the best console EVER rep and Daisy is there because she's low budget and little girls need another princess to play as
>>750138085It's pretty hard to ignore the Fire Emblem elephant in the room whenever discussing Smash rosters and especially cuts unless you're one of its newer coombait gachafag fans.
Kazuya is pretty cool I hope he stays. It doesn't matter if smash 6 cuts all the cool characters anyways because we'll have a full PC port of ultimate by then with 120 player online smash with smash run
>>750134271I don’t care about old characters unless their movesets get changed. I want to play as new characters.
>>750134271>Nobody asked for another shit shillmon and even if they did it was for the owl instead>Wasted a slot that could have been for any other Nintendo 1st party or another 3rd party guest>NEVER DREW A DIMEKWAB
>>750140318Marth, Lyn, Black Knight
>>750140873Toon Link hasn't been relevant since triforce heroes back in 2015, so I wouldn't be surprised if they cut him in favor of young link
Incineroar should have been Mimikyu instead.
>>750161643Not a videogame character. Doesn't even have a stage. Has no place in Smash at all.
>>750160123Replace Diddy Kong with Waluigi and this roster is perfect
>>750140547I don't agree with keeping Marth because he's not popular in the fanbase and his DS games weren't popular at all and I don't give a FUCK that he was in Melee it's time to get rid of dead weight
>>750142623Greninja can stay out too, irrelevant and was also a blatantly astroturfed shillmon as early as 2014 when they put him in before Ash even got it in the anime
>>750134271JRPG fighters need to stay, Cloud, Joker, Hero and Sora and even Sephiroth as he is iconicFor removal i don't know, i like like the whole cast should come back, hell i am still sad Ice Climbers was out of Smash 4
>>750162414>Constantly wins polls with Lucario>Meanwhile Inshitiroar can't even win a poll from his own gameKWAB
>>750134473Echos are low effort. They can stay.
>>750162293>putting in a pikacloneEhh
>>750144179I would agree with Star Fox if we hadn't just gotten a remake, meaning they might have plans for the franchise in the future, also the cameo in the galaxy movie.
I'm surprised so many people say Sora will never come back...the fighter who at one time was THE most requested fighter.
>>750144179Just the first line alone makes the list bad then list get worse and worse, like yeah bro lets cut a lot of fighters that were in the FUCKING NINTENDO 64 SMASH
>>750144868You're getting Riju and you're gonna like it.
>>750162698>FUCKING NINTENDO 64 SMASHKill the Holy Cow. Kill the past.
>>750162669There's this idea that Square would be hard to work with for Smash, but lately they've been putting their characters in a bunch of things and they won't want to miss out on the exposure from a new Smash (or the bad rep from pulling their characters from the game)
>>750162842It doesn't matter what Square wants, Sora is a Disney character from a legal standpoint.
>>750162669>>750162842It's never been Square, always Disney, because they own the IP.
remove Ken from Street Fighter first and then remove him from Smash
>So many people thinking any of the original twelve will be removedDelusional.
>>750163080They eventually put him in Smash and now he's in Fortnite I don't think they're that stingy with him
>>750163176Not think but they should
>>750134271ya every one of them that i dont like
>>750163417They're at least slightly stingy, Sora only has the mickey keychain in smash.
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>>750163748>noooooo you cut captain falcon>Don't worry gamer, Ganondorf still plays like a slow Captain Falcon
>>750163748cut the bottom right literal whos and Oatchi
>>750153009>just take some modern F-Zero equivalent rep???like what?
You just know they will cut DDD and Meta Knight as Sakurai is not directing anymore
>>750164023DDD is a mainstay. meta might not be.
>>750163987a modern equivalent to F-Zero sillylike wheelchair basketball guy
>>750163748Why is it that rhythm faggots have such horrendous taste in characters for these threads? Such pretentious homosexuals.
>>750163748>fucking parasol faggot instead of Kara JoeNo
>>750163080>>750163417The reason Sora has been in jackshit up until recently is because Disney outside of when Square needed to contact a movie's team for approval all but forgot about Kingdom Hearts till this year when they began another formal push into gaming.Like Eisner who was the CEO at the time KH was approved has no memory of it at all levels of forgotten.Regardless I think mechanically Sora should stay as he fulfills a niche (floaty air swordsman) on the roster and I think has a cleaner if less interesting of the magic swordsman archetype compared to say Hero (Robin should be redesigned to be a even heavier caster style character or replaced with a true caster).
>>750134271Delete all the Pokémon and put in Chibi Robo.
>>750164648Watch Sora get axed because Disney thinks they can make their own Smash clone a decade too late
>>750134271There's a handful of characters I could do without:>Piranha Plant>Dr. Mario>Jigglypuff>Mewtwo>Pichu>Incineroar>Young Link>Toon Link>Sheik>Roy>Lucina>Chrom>Corrin>Zero-Suit Samus>Dark Pit>Joker>Steve>Sephiroth>SoraOn top of that, there's a handful of characters that should have updated movesets:>Mario: replace some old attacks with stuff from Galaxy and Odyssey, and turn Dr. Mario into a costume>DK: replace some old attacks with stuff from Bananza>Link: actually include sheikah slate techniques, and maybe Rauru's arm>Samus: include psychic abilites from MP4 and her metroid transformation from Dread>Ness: replace PK Starstorm with PK Rockin'>Ganondorf: add more long-range magic attacks>Marth: make Critical Hit look more flashy; add Lucina, Roy, and Chrom as costumes>Lucas: replace PK Starstorm with PK Love>Sonic: Super Sonic will either become Super Sonic 2 at 100% or Hyper Sonic at 200%, also include his attacks from Frontiers>Olimar: add Rock, Ice, and Glow Pikmin to the rotation. Also maybe the Bulbmin too.>Pac-Man: incorporate more attacks from the Pac-Man World series>Daisy: de-clone her by adding the Super Ball, Bubble Shot, and Drill Cap; Final Smash is the Wonder Flower>Dark Samus: de-clone her by adding the attacks her old assist trophy had>Richter: de-clone him by adding more attacks from Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night, such as Hydro Storm and Thousand Edge>Miis: Let us mix and match specials between the Brawler, Gunner, and Swordfighter movesets; also add Magic and Sports-based movesets
>>750164874they already tried and failed with their own disney kart racer
There's no reason to make another Smash game. Ultimate can be played on Switch 2
>>750163748I just gotta ask, are we just going to be stuck with Peach forever? She's just never going to be reduced to a support character or NPC, huh?Just fucking replace her with Waluigi already. No amount of portraying her as a girlboss will erase everyone's perception of her as the most famous damsel in vidya. And don't give me that shit about him being a side character as Toadette only existed to be Toad's MKDD partner and now she's playable in Wonder so there's no reason why he needs to "earn" his way into Smash. If Nintendo fears he isn't famous enough, just make him famous like they did with Rosalina and Pauline. Everyone knows who Waluigi is and it looks strange to see him missing since Wario is right there. It's a small step but this change alone would give Smash 6 a grand first impression that differentiates it from everything that came before it. And apply a similar logic to other IPs. Keep people on their toes. Embrace the chaos. Hell, retire Pikachu and make Eevee or Mew the face of the franchise.
>>750165557ultimate was already a port of smash 4 in the first place
>>750163748>nu-FoxI am vomit
>>750165616Which was a port of Brawl
>>750165680not really
>>750165596It should be pretty obvious that Sakurai has a hateboner for Waluigi by nowOr more like a discriminationbonerTo him, Waluigi IS the archetypical assist trophy, and assist trophies can't be playable
>>750134271My one and ONLY wish atm is that they don't add the fucking furrybait cat from pokémon (Not Incineroar, the OTHER one) I'd be legit pissed, I'd rather risk them and have them add whatever starter they want from WiWa.
>>750141086>SemicloneFuck now, did they maybe use Kirby's rig to desing Jigglypuff? Maybe, but it sure as hell isn't a Kirby semi-clone, even their jumping animation is different.
>>750165968Gecqua will be a scaliebait the likes of which has never been seenProbably a trans fat lizard with eyelashes and fuck me eyes
>>750165924>To him, Waluigi IS the archetypical assist trophy,i thought the same about spring man. i have no doubt that he would have been the arms representative if he wasn't already an assist trophy
>>750166081it isn't a secret you know
>>750134271Steve. He's unironically an awful choice. Might as well add Angry Birds at that point.
>>750144179>Keeping Lucina>Keeping Isabelle>Keeping the Miis>Keeping Little Mac>Keeping SoraNGMI
>>750166187Misguided
>>750166187>might as well add [GIGA KINO] at that point
>>750134271He needs new moves.
Will the next game be holiday 2027?It'll be 9 years between installments if it was
>>750151895Falco's a legacy hype character. Falco is in for the same reason Captain Falcon is. You may not personally like Falco or believe the character is worthy of the slot, but the identity of the moveset is too closely tied to Smash's identity as a whole. If it was down to the wire, Falco would be cut before Falcon for a variety of reasons, but in anything resembling a 30-40 character roster, he'd make itShiek and Ike are both more because their movesets are so heavily sourced for other characters. It's a sort of mechanical entrenching. Both could conceivably be replaced with a different character with a near identical moveset that hits all the important bases, but actually identifying a character to do this with is difficult.
Next pokemon fighter should be Ceruledge and Armarouge as a team.
>>750141570metroid enjoys a lot of attention in smash even though its not a series with a large character-driven cast, like at allSamus, Ridley and Raven Beak or that new Mawkin teased in the Ravenous trailer would be both a great lineup and almost too generous
>>750165924Waluigifags whining about bias is such a tired trope. Trust me, you have absolutely no idea what it's like to actually be discriminated by him.
>>750162598nintendo's trying to grow that IP like they're doing with DK. Both missed the Switch 1 golden age so now they're going hard on them
>>750166636>but actually identifying a character to do this with is difficult.I mean his moveset is entirely madeup and sourceless so
>>750165557Didn't stop them from making Brawl.
>>750167834brawl was made because sakurai went to a local and got buttraped by sweaty compfag neets. he said it on record.
>>750161792They despise ANY Nintendo game that was made by a third party. ESPECIALLY if it did well.
>>750168214Oh they must hate Pokemon and Smash then.
>>750168309They HATE coliseum actually, yes. They REFUSE to acknowledge it, even when asked directly.
>>750139434I'd say Corrin does but only because Smash would be too cowardly to let a real Manakete like Tiki be in Smash.
>>750158502I just like respecting other people's tastes
>>750134271I'm in favor of AGGRESSIVE cuts, like even Luigi becoming questionable, if it enables them to redistribute dev time to making a serious effort of refining the core game mechanics to be actually fun. I'd consider 1 spoonful of good food to be infinitely more worth my time than 50 of soggy gruel.>but they can do both, they have moneyThey haven't been doing both and they never spend the money on it, please be realistic.
>>750169946gameplay in smash is done. at best, you'll get some sort of generational gimmick. the game is creaking and breaking under the size of its roster, but the roster IS smash at this point. the gameplay is an accessory to the roster.
>he thinks clones, which cost a texture artist 1 afternoon, cost the game the same amount of time/budget as real characters thus "took up a slot"You didn't miss out on Geno and Goku just because Marth got copy-pasted twice by accident in the newer game.
>>750169946If you don't think Smash's gameplay is fun, then you're not in the target demographic and never will be, so stop caring about it. No, nobody cares what your opinion is on people who do think Smash is fun. Spend your time more productively than complaining about a game and its fanbase who do not care about you.
>>750170296Twice? I know Lucina was one, but who was the other one? Can't be Roy, Ike, or Robin....Chrom?
>>750170312compfags make up like 0.001% of smash players, it's true.
>>750134271Ness, Lucas, Bayo and every StarFox character
>>750169946>Oh yeah cut almost everyone while also reworking the shitty gameplay from the groundBut why? Cutting a lot will make people mad then reworking the gameplay people are playing ever since ever alongside sounds dumb as fuck
>>750170356I just meant Marth got copy-pasted from the last game into the new, and it happened twice so Lucina was added
>>750144006Sakurai loves it and gets to play early versions of the games. Byleth was guaranteed a spot before his game even came out.
>>750145493Based
It baffles me that some people think they'll cut down the roster to below Melee numbers. Nintendo would be crucified if they cut that many fighters, and there's literally no reason to snip that many. Rosters should grow as a series goes on, not get cut. And anyone that DOES get cut should just be replaced. We're in the 2020s, and Smash Ultimate isn't even the fighting game with the largest roster.
>>750136261>IkeI love playing as Ike though, but I do kind of get it. Just hope somebody takes over his play style.
>>750134271I'd be fine with this.
>>750171486>Rosters should grow as a series goes onAbsolutely not, then you get bloated shit filled with literally whos that nobody actually plays as. It's fine with games like Ultimate and MK:A that are supposed to be every character as a gimmick, but it doesn't work long-term. It's even easier now since they have actual numbers of which characters are used more often, so they can trim the ones that aren't and try adding in newcomers.It's also how you get shit like more Fire Emblem characters than you can use in a single match, when for a series like Fire Emblem or Pokemon it should get maybe 2 or 3 reps consisting of whoever's newest plus 1 or 2 popular legacy picks.
>>750139657> Fucking why.Because there are a lot of Fire Emblem characters and most of the more intresting ones aren't liable to make it in.Like, a wizard would be cool but who the fuck could they even add? Lute? Tharja? Fucking Rheinhardt? Same for Dragon riders or Pegasus knights.
>>750134271Incineroar instead of Steve or several of the Fire Emblem fags is a wild choice, I loved his wrestling bullshit. One time a friend of mine pulled Krystal out of an assist trophy and I grabbed her and suplexed her into him for a kill and IMO that's peak Smash.
>>750171969Robin is the wizard. Keep Robin, Marth and either an axe or a polearm character. New ones should be butting-out the old. If you like a sword character, consider letting them be a skin of Marth. It's not like their original game's gameplay makes them different either.
>>750134271Some of the multiple near identical representatives of one fire emblem game could probably goSonic probably isn't worth dealing with Sega's shit.
>>750171939>forgot to cut one NES memberberryR.O.B
>>750170296I wish they'd give us more interesting clones
>>750139363>Get rid of the 2 characters that are actually different to save the clones
>>750171939>keeping Jigglypuff and Mewtwo over Lucario and Greninjastop the KANTOOOOOOOOO
>>750171960That's what I mean by if they cut a character, then replace them. Like take out half the Fire Emblem characters and replace them with someone else.
incineroar? Like the stick run dude?
>>750172448Jiggs is part of the original 12 which I consider untouchable. Mewtwo I actually forgot about while editing so probably cut him but I'd still cut Grens and Lucario too.
>>750164923I would want a daisy decloning to lean into her desert nature.
>>750172712>which I consider untouchable.gross
>>750172591The next game's roster should absolutely be smaller than Ultimate's, because Ultimate had "everyone is here" as a gimmick. Brawl had 39, 4 had 58 including DLC. Somewhere between those two would be good enough.
>>750172448Jigglypuff is a character made up for Smash Bros like Captain Falcon, it belongs to the game and will keep its iconic seat.
>>750172712But Mewtwo is based. He's the one I did most of Melee's most bullshit challenges with because he's good but has a high skill floor. He's as iconic in the series as Ganondorf.
>>750139353Does Bayonetta count? She has swords she just doesn't use them in smash
>>750173093>He's as iconic in the series as Ganondorf.DORIYAH vs ... oh wait nothing lolhe was snubbed in Brawl and came back in Smash 4 as DLC... (that's the most notable thing about him)
>>750134271I usually forget Incineroar is even in the fucking game, they can kick this ugly ass Pokemon out and get literally any other grappler game character to take it's place
>>750173231He was good enough for them to bring in Lucario, a Captain Falcon to his Ganondorf.
>>750172951Not really. Or at least not to the same extent as Captain Falcon
>>750173251I was baffled when I saw it get revealed, there's so many Pokemon more popular and requested than it, but of course SoccerGuy is a huge wrestling fag, it'll probably be cut anyways.
>>750173457Literally to the exact same extent
>>750173568Not really because 100% of Falcon's moveset is made up shit. Jigglypuff at least has pokemon moves as her specials
>>750134473It's insane to me people still see clones/echo characters as a wasted character slot. Sakurai has mentioned plenty of times that 6 clone characters wouldn't equal an entirely new character in Smash. They're supposed to be seen as freebies where the team had extra time to squeeze in.
>>750173739This. It's literally as easy as adding a reskin in Project M. Niggas seriously need to start informing themselves on how gamedev works.
>>750173568FALCON PAWNCH (one of the most iconic moves in gaming) vs ummmmm... Sing? uhhhh Rest is kinda cool I guess...
Who are Nintendo's "biggest" characters that debuted in the 2020s so far?
>>750172951Jigglypuff was made for the anime, and she became a smash fighter after that
>>750174465Jigglypuff was in the fucking game you spastic. I think it was even supposed to the mascot before they decided on pikachu. Eat a dick.
>>750174148Probably Shiver Frye and Big Man lmaoIf we count Pokemon then Tinkaton I guess, that was a pretty big hit...Did Tears of the Kingdom have any new characters?Do Edelgard Dimitri and Byleth count?Kirby had Elfilin...Again Pokemon but Jacinthe from Z/A?Tomodachi Life rep.....?
>>750174586>I think it was even supposed to the mascot before they decided on pikachu.No that was the tadpole which later evolved into the highly underrated fighting frog as well as the also underrated rain ability frog. Not him BTW.
>>750174586It went Polywhirl for 5 seconds and then Clefairy for 5 seconds and then PikachuJigglypuff was obviously in the games first though
I really hope they don't go full scorched earth on fire emblem.Robin's one of my favorites, and I do like byleth too
>>750174691It was Clefary, not Jigglypuff. Poliwhirl just happened to be Satoshi Tajiri' favorite pokemon. He wasn't known for having good taste.
>>750174776Robin and Byleth are some of the most likely to stay since 3H is the biggest game and Awakening ressurected the series
>>750172172He's literally NOT a wizard.
>Pokemon bloat>Fire Emblem bloatWhich do you think is more egregious to a potential future roster?
>>750171939>oooh look at me im removing all the clones and a bunch of fire emblem characters. i have solved teh development time dilemma and now smash can be rebootedFAGGOT
Apparently Sakurai didn't think he'd be able to get Sora at first and that's why the 2nd fighter pass has 6 charactersUltimate would've ended on fucking Kazuya
>>750174620>If we count Pokemon then Tinkaton I guess, that was a pretty big hit...Delusional
>>750174904Mario bloat.Who the fuck was asking for Peace?
>>750174964Sakurai also went with PS era FF characters because he didn't think people would recognize Bartz. I like the dude but holy shit has he dropped some balls in his career.
>>750174904FE, Pokemon has way more potential in terms of movesets, you could make 40+ characters in a Super Pokemon Bros feel unique. You could find a Pokemon and moveset for every single Smash bros character I think.FE struggles to come up with unique movesets for like 3 characters.
>>750174925I'd like to see who you'd cut since you seem to know everything.
>>750174904Honestly the pokemon offends me more.I hate fire emblem but seeing pokemon get special treatment pisses me off.We got barely any newcomers in base ultimate and of course one of them goes to current shillmon and it just ages the game horribly.Ain't nobody thinking about Incineroar in current year
>>750174973I actually hate the thing. It's definitely the most popular S/V 9 mon, no? Definitely moreso than Ceruledge or Armarogue.
>>750134271Remove every first party nintendo character and you might have a decent roster.
>>750175109Actually I completely forgot about Meowscarada, that's first. Tinkaton is second.
>>750174148Noah (possibly with Mio) is basically a guarantee but, as a Xenofag, I'd hate to see him.
>people dont want incineroarwhat the fuck he was my day 1 main he's a cocky showboater tank and he was fun as hell
>>750174620>TinkatonI wouldn't mind this one getting in specially if it means we are spared from Meowscarada
pick your Paldeamon bros
>>750175109If Smash gets announced next summer we'll get MeowscaradaIf it's anything later it'll be something from gen 10
>>750175241I feel like he can get replaced by any grappler, there's a lot of more interesting Pokemon
>>750175271PokeVita might actually have an interesting moveset.
>>750175109No. I mean, it's popular amongst trannies and pedophiles, but it's obvious that Meowscarada is that generation's designated shillmon.
>>750175346Clodsire has the most moveset potential imoA bulky poison user with regen sounds unique
>>750175425the copium is strong
>>750134271the anime sword fighters and plenty of clones mostly
>>750175337i truly had no attachment to the pokemon presmashbros despite picking litten in gen7 but he grew on me a lot. assuming they had the same playstyle i wouldnt be too upset. incineroar is like firmly entrenched in the pokemon meta and while i dont think a lot of people would speak out on it i dont think it makes much sense to take such an icon out
>>750175378I don't know it feels like it's disappearing a little, I've been seeing Ceruledge rising in popularity
>>750140812>I have "people being rightfully irritated at a over repped series with boring fighters" fatiguecat pic checks out.
>>750134271every dlc faggot. except sephiroth, hero, every marth copy besides ike..actually ike can fk off too..or make him shittier like smash ult marth. poke furry niggers like inshitiroar and lucario can go, get the based owl in. get rid of stupid ass echos bs and make them just different enough like ness/lucas, fox/falco vilager/isabelle
>>750175898>get the based owl inlolDeshitueye lost
>>750174904At least pokemon has the size to justify it and warrants some neat playstyles. I still would rather cut down on the pokemons though.Fire emblem is a mediocre selling series that has boring fighters. Idk why alot of FE fans are delusional about this. Maybe it's because it's the closest they'll ever get to a more general audience acknowledging their dumb strategy game exists.
>>750175775Is Cinderace still popular? they seem to still want to force him into becoming a staple but i don't know if it's working
>>750175762Kingambit is the new king of VGC, that would be a funny addition
>>750140812Fire Emblem hasn't been good since handhelds were relevant, and I find no joy in saying that.
It sucks knowing that Sephiroth might be one of the most likely characters to get cutSquare's annoying to deal with and he's literally only in so that Sakurai could put Cloud in the base game
>>750175378>but it's obvious that Meowscarada is that generation's designated shillmon.ENTER
>>750176042Yeah it's still pretty popular, I know they made it an official mascot for Japan's Kids National Football team and it's constantly getting Merch and a whole Lego set next year, kids seem to love him.
I'll be the first to say it, rosterfaggotry is the last concern smash bros needs, how about improve the gameplay by>Not designing the game around the shitty gamecube controller (if the game is gonna be kept stupid like that, the least they coud do is get nintendo to make an accessory so i can use wiimote + nunchuck)>Get rid of the input lag shit in the game (or at least make it consistent across every controller), 8 frames of input lag is too much>Bring back shield-dropping off platforms so being on a platform is not a major detriment, among other movement improvements>Improve the netcode and add more ladders than just faggy elite smash, bring back for fun/for glory ladder splits, with each having 3 different modes (Fun: 3 minutes score, 4-8 players or staminia tag ladders, all 3 having all items enabled. Glory: singles, doubles, with an option for the 3v3 tag mode)>PvE modes with online functionality should be a thing, smash as a beat em up would rock hard.Nintendo better do these first before caring about which glup shitto scrimblo bimblo character they shove in.
>>750175775>five of these ten pokemon are in smash brosokay
If I was Sakurai I'd add like 5 more pokemon and have them all be dumbass nonsense picks.I'm talking Throh and Walrein. Give me Carnivine and Hypno. Bust out the Weezing.
>>750175775Cinderace got the porn factor these days
>>750176546the other five will obviously be in the next one
>>750175775>Garchompthis would rock actuallybring out the Ground type and have it tunnel underground and its immediately got a cool hook
>>750176621He is pretty cute
>>750175775>implying fagonite, FUG, garchump, incel-erace, or the other one will ever be in smash bros
>>750174856>Um erm uh actually it was just the favorite monster of an important guy
>>750176768Why would they not put Rayquaza in smash bros?
>>750176621we need to go younger.........sexo.........need alola variant what shed the jacket............
>>750134271Cut all of the 3rd parties and hopefully focus on some newer Nintendo games while giving the veterans updated kits.
>>750176442They made him and Pikachu the mascot over the whole J-Leauge too a month ago, he's really popular in Nip land for sure, I've also seen some kids with Cinderace shirts over here in the states so the kiddies must love him.
>>750176885>Google J League>Japan's soccer league>African guy because the ride never ends
>>750138085kek this triggered the browns today
I hate Cinderace so fucking much holy shit
>>750177287What the fuck are you talking about
>>750138085can see FE losing one rep to gain 2, at least.
>>750177287
>>750134271if there ever was a digimon collab one day for smash, who would they pick as their front runner?
>>750134271>are there any smash bros characters that you would be fine with if they didn't return?Fire Emblem characters aside, Bayonetta, Joker, Duck Hunt and Jigglypuff (Original 12 Seniority be damned)
>>750177437Like mother, like son
>>750135082What if in a different timeline we got Rhythm Heaven Wrestler back in Smash 4 as the token Grappler character? We wouldn’t need Incineroar, thus we could get Decidueye as the Gen 7 rep. This was just for fun.
>>750134271>@Claude, faithfully port over every character from Smash Ultimate in my new engine>ok dev team now tweak these characterswow that was hard
>>750134271So many anon.
>>750175057FE wouldn't be so bad if Sakurai didn't keep adding swordies. There are plenty of archers, axe-wielders, and the occasional dragonborn. Hell, one of the protags of the latest game uses a spear, that's a moveset Smash hasn't explored yet (at least until Bandana Dee gets added).
>>750175271Screw them, I want the duck
>>750176442>>750176885they're playing the long game with the rabbit, it's going to be Generation Alpha's Charizard in a few years
>>750136697Gen 4 was so long ago and I’m sure Gamefreak would want to represent the newer generations. Not to mention the gens with no playable reps.
>>750177230Most of the J.League's top scorers are Brazilian, so it might supposed to be one of them.
>>750177732With how much they shill gardevoir over the past 3 years, i think Gardevoir being put into smash bros as a playable character is not an impossibility.
>>750149453>>750149356for smash it would only be jack frost.
>>750138085Honestly, they should just make a Fire Emblem fighting game so Smash can stop being over populated by those characters.Smash is not a Fire Emblem spinoff and shouldn’t be a dumping ground for the newest flavor of the month protagonist.Kinda funny how we got most of these but haven’t gotten some of them yet.
>>750138868A lot of people will argue Steve should stay until the end of time because “muh best selling game of all time”And to that I say I don’t think Smash necessarily needs to keep every 3rd Party until the end of time. That’s just unrealistic. If Smash was to ever go back to being 1st Party again then so be it.
>>750136813Remember when it was thought that we can’t get Ryu because Mega Man was already the Capcom rep or that we couldn’t get Steve because we already had Banjo. So many fan rules and debates got destroyed over the course of Smash’s history. The only one that has yet to be broken is the “Original 12 must always stay”
>>750178461I think the only other one is "can't originate outside of games" that's Sakurai's personal rule, so who knows if we get Goku if they ever make a game without him.
>>750140684Believe it or not I see lots of Lucina glazing when I lurk the Smash Reddits, their only defense for the bitch is being an easy no effort clone of Marth. These are the same idiots who tend to cut Daisy while keeping Peach (she’s obviously a mainstay) in their Smash 6 prediction rosters while not applying that same logic to Daisy. Fire Emblem fans I tell you…
>>750177664>There are plenty of axe-wielders,Not like axe wielders would be particularly more interesting compared to a sword user...
>>750140812I have “Sakurai glaze” fatigue
>>750146065Smash with no Puff is worthless garbage.You cut an original 12 and it's over.
>>750141570This, if fucking Pyra and Mythra can be merged into one character, give that mechanic back to Zelda/Sheik and Samus/Zero Suit
it's HER turn
>>750178802we'd live
Nintendo would be dumb NOT to release a new SSB or at least upgrade SSBU to have more characters on Switch 2Its guaranteed billions in yen
>>750142496>Gen 1Pikachu >Gen 2Scizor>Gen 3Gardevoir>Gen 4Lucario>Gen 5Zoroark>Gen 6Greninja>Gen 7Incineroar >Gen 8Toxtricity>Gen 9Meowscarda>Gen 10????????????
>>750178879what would krystals moveset even be
>>750179000Why is Scizor your gen 2 pick? and why gardevoir for gen 3 and not FUG?
>>750143075A Reboot with the “Nintendo Only” rule could allow for some niche Nintendo characters to get added like Excitebiker, Sukapon, Ayumi Tachibana, Andy (Advance Wars), Lip (Panel De Pon) etc. So much of Smash speculation is polluted by 3rd Parties and it kinda gets annoying after a while.It’s just a picture of a bunch of random Nintendo characters, of course they all obviously wouldn’t get in because if we go by Nintendo, we gotta have recency bias picks.
>>750143739>Spoiler Fire Emblem got a new stage (thanks to the DLC) while Pokèmon didn’t
>>750178250Can you even call them "people"? They're more like sheep.
>>750143982I’d rather have the geek Space Frog instead
>>750178696Any Axe Wielders would just copy Roy's moveset anyway. Giant fuck-off explosive hits are HIS thing.
>>750176885CinderBased
>>750144023Smash revives series of games that have been dormant for a long time. Smash MADE Fire Emblem popular. Smash MADE K Rool come back. Smash even got Kid Icarus a new game.People (like me) are salty because there are long dormant franchises that could use more Smash exposure (like Golden Sun) whose only hope of getting a new game is if a character from it got put into Smash. Then again yes I know Banjo and Min Min got nothing despite getting in Smash.
>>750179240meowth and bowser were considered for smash 64 and i think dedede and wario were considered for melee
>>750179240Need dog
>>750144450>Genofags are the true worst of the fandom and their character is retarded.That sounds a lot like Fire Emblem but ok
>>750161552>>750173739>>750134473Guys,In the competitive scene those little differences mean A LOT
>>750134271Most of them. I'd love if the core cast were totally reevaluated and no longer beholden to movesets designed around the state the characters were in 25 years ago.
>>750179420okay? what's your point
>>750177579Persona 5 is bigger than Sonic
>>750179483sanic is like the second biggest vidya franchise. what are you talking about
>>750148525Banjo feels like a 64 character or a base roster character I guess you can say.
>>750179521okay what about conker
>>750148967I can’t wait to Lovely Kiss and Ice Punch my opponents with Jynx!
>>750179000>Gen 8>ToxtricityNo one remembers this thing lmfao, it would be Cinderace or Dragapult
>>750149131If I made Melee I would’ve added Daisy instead of Mario in a lab coat. A clone for a clone.
>>750179000>>Toxtricity>trips of truth
>>750149356Jack Frost please
>>750179637you forget yourself anon
>>750150695>>750150809>>750151693They made Zoroark an item instead…
>>75015387913 is an unlucky number and nothing to be proud of.
>>750179825yeah fuck them for making event specific pokeymans
>>750158927GET FALCON PUNCHED
>>750135082Niggers like you and OP truly have no fucking idea how big a deal incineroar are nor will I elaborate. Fuck all the other pokemon reps only keep incineroar
If each first party had nearly perfect representation in Smash
>>750161456Did we really only need FF7 representation from Final Fantasy?
>>750179959why kleavor
>>750162380Guess who they showed in the Fire Emblem Engage reveal trailer?
>>750180029It's better than Scizor, is it not?
>>750180098Absolutely not, scizor kinda sucks itself
>Wonder who the fuck is Ayumi>Ayumi Tachibana is a character from the Famicom Detective Club series.Wtf, it looks like a VN and fucking Nintendo did VN back in the days? I never knew that
>>750165616>>750165680Brawl was so good, Smash 4 and “Ultimate” had to reuse its victory themes.
>>750166187Steve will will always be that out of place shitstain on the roster, next to Corrin.
Scizor ain't bad is it? It could be a good gen 2 representative.
>>750180285No, it has the ability techniciab, that makes its bullet punch attack incredibly strong
>>750179517Persona has become SEGA's most profittable IP, Sonic is hardly SEGA's goldmine.
>>750180285scizor is gay
>>750166617This might just be the longest wait if you don’t count the Sora reveal which was 5 damn years ago, half a decade…
>>750180256The fact that he's regarded as the best character meta wise makes it sad as fuck
>>750168053Nah Iwata specifically said that Melee would be ported to the Wii with Online Functionality if Sakurai wasn’t going to do Brawl. Sakurai even talked about it on his YouTube Channel which a lot of folks on here forget exists.
>>750168796Tiki could also kinda be a villain rep considering you have to recruit her in her chapter.
This whole thread in a nutshell, amirite?
>>750173739I just think it’s stupid that Fire Emblem gets to have specifically two echoes. They are still fan service that other franchises would appreciate, they get unique voice lines and even amiibo. Also think it’s stupid they stopped at Ken.
>>750174904If Pokèmon had only Pika Clones then yeah it would face backlash like Fire Emblem and it’s anime swordsman humans, not to mention a fraction of them having blue hair and blending in with each other. Oh and six of them having down b counters.
>>750175021Sakurai either has godlike or dogshit tastes, there’s no in between.
>>750176850>Rabbit with a Toe Ring>In a Smash threadThese threads are just full of surprises
>>750178982>upgrade SSBU to have more characters on Switch 2 Its guaranteed billions in yenThat’s so retarded when that could just add that precious new content into the new game to sell it to people and we can move on from shitty Ultimate.
>>750179368>meowth and bowser were considered for smash 64 and i think dedede and wario were considered for meleeAll those characters except Meowth eventually made it into a game
>>750181530sure but jiggs was a crapshoot. she was only added because she was popular in the anime
>>750180179Well Kleavor can be a bug type character with a focus on Axes before Fire Emblem
>>750179000Zoroark's a failed shillmon, give us Chandelure instead
Should Smash go 3D?https://youtu.be/cJRvI43e5Qg?is=zslk0LGsleTC_HCH
>>750179959I'd rather Magolor over Marx
>>750181226Plusle and Minun, Emolga, and Togedemaru are kind of cooking
