Why did PC vegans surrender ownership of their games? Just so their lord and savior can buy yachts?
>>750152005Because on disc DRM was far worse than anything consolefags have ever had to deal with. For all intents and purposes we already didn't own our games
>>750152005Id rather own the machine that plays the games than live within an ecosystem where saying a naughty word can render your machine unusable.
Why are console fags babbling about things they gave up on and don't understand? So incredibly bored without any games to play?
>>750152005because if you want ownership of the game on PC you can always just pirate it
Do not speak ill of glorious leader and his yachts
>>750152005Because new aaa games were suddenly 5 bucks provided by your friendly russian key reseller and for that price you didn't give a fuck if you just rented it for 3 decades.
>>750152005>Why did PC vegans surrender ownership of their games?We did? I must have missed the part where I stopped having control over the files on my SSD.
>>750152005Half Life 2 was meant to be one of the biggest games in the history of PC gamingReally it was just a shitty alpha demo to test some physicsThe game is about 5-6 hours long and was made to require steam solely so you couldn't resell/rent it/loan it from a friendPC gaming was, for the most part, actually quite pirate friendly - you would p[robably spend 3-4 on a 'new' game with some friends and just share it and crack itIronically HL2 started a new wave of piracy with how much of a scumbag gabe is. But decades later and millions of dollars into marketing and we get 'daddy gabe' or, as he is known to the intelligent 'the reason gaming is dead'
>>750152242>I lack self control and this is somehow everyone else's faultjust say you're black
>>750152005steamies = indiansgaben = vishnu
>>750152283They have games to play but they just ran out of company approved time to play it
THREAD HIJACKTHREAD HIJACKTHIS THREAD IS NOW A GENERAL VIDEO GAME DISCUSSION. What are you anons playing these days?
>>750152005Because he validates their piracy of his competitors games.
But fully own the HDD I keep cracks on and the machine I use to play them
>>750152005>>750152427>>750152431Samefag
>>750152427Why are you okay with playing games on a platform you don't own where you have to follow other people's rules to maintain access to your games?
>>750152450HAHAHAHAHA NO WAY THIS IS REAL DO CONSOLEKEKS REALLY?
>>750152005I don't have a single DRM launcher installed.All my games are saved locally on my NAS server.I own every single one, including mods and also some console ISOs for emulation, thats a couple thousand of games not counting my extensive eroge collection.Your turn.
>>750152452I'm playing steamcuck simulator, where I pay for games I don't own and will never play because they have a discount next to them.
>>750152452I don't really play video games to be honest.
>>750152005>Just so their lord and savior can buy yachts?Where else is he supposed to throw pedoparties and fuck children with his epstein class pals??
>>750152659>I'm playing steamcuck simulator, where I pay for games I don't ownThat's consolecuck simulator. SteamCHAD simulator is the one where you own all your games and can freely mod them and make backups.>and will never play because they have a discount next to them.Your lack of self control is purely a personal issue.
>>750152005can you get some new material already?this is pathetic
>>750152005Tbqh gaben is thousand times better than snoy or Nintendo because he just sells you fucking games. He doesn't use dark patterns and every theoretical opportunity out there to squeeze 0.1% of income increase from his customers. Corpos can't just do their job, they always need to squeeze every penny out of you
>>750152662>Steamies prefer ERPing with Indonesians in GC than playing gamestypical.
>>750152659Anon, you don't need a game for that, you just need to buy a console!
>>750152816>Corpos can't just do their job, they always need to squeeze every penny out of you>But not MY corpo. They're special because they have the funny fat video game guy as their mascot
>can't pirate games on Steam>can pirate games on my Sonybox
>>750152921Valve is not a corporation, retard-kun. It's a privately owned company. Thence the difference
>>750152921They are special because they are not publicly traded, and it's something that people like those who pay OP to periodically make this shitty thread seethe endlessly about.
steam is just paying for convenient patching desuIf valve ever went retarded, i'd just go back to piracy
>>750152005Around the time when Steam became more popular games were releasing with broken online services, limited installs, accounts, launchers, always-online authentication, pre-order bonuses and other bullshit.Steam cut out a lot of the bullshit and since you have full control over your PC, you still had the files.
>there are people on /v/ who believe he’s only buying a yacht so he can research the ocean for Half Life 3Are valvefags the most retarded fanbase on /v/?
I’ll never understand it. The first time I realized I couldn’t play a damn game I’d actually bought, I grew to hate that fat son of a bitch and his faggoty platform.
>>750152385who writes this shit? there was no used pc game market and no, i don't care how your turd world shithole does things and what the fuck are you talking about renting pc games for anyway? piracy reached the state it did because developers started abandoning pc. the pc ports we did get were all poorly optimized and by that point they phased out the cool manuals you would get by giving you a slip of paper. you couldn't even find pc games in stores anymore, you went to gamestop and all they had was a cuck island for pc games with bejeweled and the sims. mom and pop shops didn't even deal in pc games. there was no place you could get pc games except ordering them online and unless you wanted to pay double the price you were waiting a month, maybe more, to receive your shitty port. this is why piracy became as widespread as it did and why gabe described it as a service problemgo back to robolox you retarded poopskin zoomer
>>750154125Watching steam, sony and microsoft go bankrupt, while nintendo thrives, is a great personal joy. Maybe the poorfag brownoids on /v/ will finally buy games for a change.
>>750152217FPBP
>>750152005Surrender how? I don't choose how games are published
>>750152283They are just trying to cope with losing their physical games
So when will Valve start taking away my games for no reason?
>>750155628They already have. Try reselling them legally.
>>750155738Question, has anyone ever resold a GoG game?
>>750155738
>>750155984>vegan needs ai to tell him if he owns somethingKek
>>750155897Nothing stops you from burning it on CD and selling to someone. It's your copy.
>>750155738Why would I need to resell on PC? If I was ever concerned about not liking a game, and thus reselling to recoup costs, I could instead just pirate it for 0$.
>>750155738I don't care about selling games. Is Valve going to start randomly taking away my games in my library or not?
>>750156156>i own my games because i have them on plastic!ownership means control over the games, that means being able to play it how you want without the drm getting in the wayread the EULA faggotnintendo says right there that your licenses are revocableand unlike everyone on pc, you don't own your hardware
>>750152005You never had it in the first place kiddo. >babby's first dealing with commercial software licensing
>>750152005>Getting sold licenses>Everything began to be turned into a service due subscriptions>piracy going wild>Manufacturers decides to print less physical unitsAnd then Steam arrived and became a thing. Vegan were being conditioned in every front, not just game sofware
>>750156225>>750156348You do not own your games. Making illegal bootleg copies does not confer ownership. You also cannot transfer your games. Digital games are non transferable. Read US copyright law and see
>>750152217Maybe because you are the kind of retard assuming owning your games meant owning the IP of them like the right over its data. Also; worked in my machine with a crack
>>750152005>gaben wins a court case against the rothschilds>immediately attacked online for becoming wealthy by hurting nobodyhmmm not suspicious at all.
>>750156445you do not own your gamesownership entails more than being able to sell themthe ultimate authority lies with nintendo, you're a licenseeread the agreement you agreed to when you first started up your toy
>>750152005He’s building Noah’s Ark okay!!!??
>>750156501>Rothchilds want people to legally own their digital games by making it so you can sell them>greedy yacht merchant fights the courts and wins, preventing resale>this is somehow a good thing in the eyes of a vegan
>>750152816>Tbqh gaben is thousand times better than snoy or Nintendo because he just sells you fucking games1) He's a former Microsoft employee2) Nothing good comes out from Microsoft, ever3) Gaben sells you licenses, not games. >>750155897Resold? Likely but most importantly; you can freely distribute it.
>>750152005Whoever keeps making these posts needs to take their meds and refrain from copulation until further notice.
>>750156561First sale doctrine, vegan. Look it up.>but i cant make tranny romhacks! I cant look insideAs you've been told a thousand times, DRM has nothing to do with ownership, ACfag.
>gabe decides to steal my games>the files are already on my pc>apply steamcrack>use goldberg>if for whatever reason that doesnt work I can just pirate those titles back in an afternoonMeanwhile the games he would take are shit I bought for sub 10$ a pop on deep discount. Gay Ben suddenly turning evil and trying to jew everyone is a total non issue. You would also have every other PC storefront immediately fill that vacuum.
>>750152005Why won't this fat fuck make Half Life 3?
>>750156773>DRM has nothing to do with ownershipHoly shit. Do tendies actually believe this? I know they're retarded but damn.
>>750156839Valve doesn't make games anymore, it's just a service provider now
>>750156773first sale doctrine does not mean ownershipyou agreed to a license where your games can be taken away, your plastic be damnednintendo can, and did, take people's games away for violating itif you're an owner then your property can't be taken away>DRM has nothing to do with ownershipgetting shot has nothing to do with bleeding out and dyingsee? i can be a retard too
>>750152005It's because PC vegans were never and still aren't actual gamers. The entire reason they play on PC is to tinker, not to play games.
>>750156629these Rothschilds sound like cool dudes maybe they'll start their own digital storefront that allows people to resell games
>>750156747>Gaben sells you licenses, not games.Wrong. Gaben sells me games that I have full access to modify and copy. Consoles sell you plastic licenses you have no control over.
>>750156861Everyone knows, aside of 21st century vegans it seems. But we do not think much of them beyond TO disease
>>750156501>ME CONTRARIAN ME DON'T LIKE POPULAR THING>It's the (((Rothchilds))). Everyburg Singlestein Timewitz...>Glory to the Revolution!
>>750156629>rothschilds want people to legally own-this cannot be true if you know what a rothschild is. what ELSE were they fighting for?>yacht man bad>war financier jews goodyeah ok
>>750152217>Because on disc DRM was far worse than anything consolefags have ever had to deal withWhy are you lying?
>>750153070It's a privately owned corporation, dumbfuck.
>>750156839They're literally doing that right now. HLX.
>>750156958Reminder. Steam IS a service. That's why Gaben explicitly stated the word access.
>>750156972unironically yes
>>750152005>surrenderi didn'ti just stopped buying pc games at release when i couldn't buy them physicalit helps all franchises i liked were killed and raped between 2004 and 2010
>>750156487Since when do you need to own an IP to not have to install malware?
>>750155628>So when will Valve start taking away my games for no reason?Like 2006 or around there.
>richer than ever>makes fewer gamesSad!
>>750155897Nope, nobody has ever owned a GoG game either
>>750157101Good. I never liked their games
>>750157095Since never seeing all those Adobe software lmao
>>750156263Why are you discussing ownerahip if you suddenly don't want to discuss ownership?
>>750157065Wrong. Consoles are a service because you can only interact with the hardware and games through one official way. Steam is ownership because the games they sell are just files on my PC that I can access through anything I want.
>>750157134So you're just shilling for a storeMillennial moment rofl
>>750156292I don't care about preservation. Is Valve going to start letting me own my games or not?
>>750157127Kind of; it has no security drm so the person has more control. This gives a little more ownership despite being a license as well
>>750157147Reselling has nothing to do with ownership.>>750157198>Is Valve going to start letting me own my games or not?They already do.
>>750156861>>750156906The "drm" on nintendo games lets me resell them legally. So it isnt interfering with ownership.
>>750156348>ownership means control over the games, that means being able to play it how you want without the drm getting in the wayFalse.>read the EULA faggot>nintendo saysWhat does Nintendo have to do with this? Anyway EULAs don't matter. Ownership of licended entertainment media defers to the exhaustion principle, not EULAs.
>>750157159>Consoles are a service because you can only interact with the hardware and games through one official way.Consoles are a product; pay once, use at will. You don't know what a service is, do you?>Steam is ownership because the games they sell are just files on my PC that I can access through anything I want.No, it's a service; you pay for access through a license.
>>750152005Zoom zoom
>>750152005There's dolphin porn in your console hard drive.Cerny put it there.Just get into the file manager and check.
>>750156561False.
this yacht shit is really forced
>>750157147Because reselling is pointless to me on PC. I care about my ability to modify what I own, something you can't do on console.
>>750157319It doesn't let you mod or back them up so it is interfering with ownership.
>>750157319the drm on nintendo games forces you to play them on a single shitty toy and you're so limited that you can only press A to use the licensethis is not ownership the same way renting isn't ownership
Wow, ACfag is really fuming today. What is he angry about today?
>>750152005get fucked snoy, you will never be a woman
When you realize that people have capital at stake with shit like CS knives, you'll understand why they're so committed to bolstering Valve's reputation
>>750157295>Reselling has nothing to do with ownershipFalse.>They already do.False.
>>750157326>what does the entity that fully controls my hardware, the operating system and can identify and blacklist my copy have anything to do with ownershipare you stupid?
>>750152005>OP is literally paid to spam these threads daily
>>750157202No, GoG doesn't provide legal ownership at all because digital media can't be owned.
>>750157532No I'm above average in intelligence.
>>750157460>>750157439You do not have a legal right to tamper with someone's intellectual property. That is not what ownership entails. >but i bought this gun! I should be able to shoot people with itNo.
YourAttackOnMyCharacterHasBeenNoted
>>750157332Steam is pay once, use at will. Or do you think you have to pay a subscription to keep access to your games? Console are pay once but not use at will because they limit what you can actually do with your games.
>>750152005good morning saaaaarplease to do the needful and redeem yourself one more for the jagganath
>>750157595>someone's propertythere you goyou don't own your games by your own admissionyour'e a licensee
>>750157392I was talking about ownership, not reselling. Try to keep up, PC vegan.
>>750157439>It doesn't let youWhat doesn't let me? I'm free to mod or hack or so anything to any device in my home, legally.
>>750156992because he's not, you filthy fucking jeetnigger retard, your shithole 5th world country didn't even have computational machines of any kind until 2018
>>750157682Is this like a falseflag or something?
>>750157763no, you're notconsoles are not legally allowed to be jailbroken because they're devices that are only used to interact with copyrighted property
>>750157765Calm down, PC vegan.
>>750157595>You do not have a legal right to tamper with someone's intellectual property.I'm not tampering with their intellectual property. I'm tampering with my personal copy. It has no effect on the actual IP.>but i bought this gun! I should be able to shoot people with itAside from the fact that that's literally what guns are made for, and that you are allowed to shoot people, it's not even an accurate analogy. More accurate would be>but i bought this gun! I should be able to open it and swap parts, which you are allowed to do.
>>750157680You own that particular license, not the IP itself. If you would like me to educate you on the difference, please say so.
>>750157830>consoles are not legally allowed to be jailbrokenYeah they are.
>>750157771worseit's a rape victim
>>750157140So it became a legal requirement to include malware with software after that point or what?
>>750157771No, why? Reselling is simply a single benefit of ownership.
>>750157460>the drm on nintendo games forces you to play them on a single shitty toy and you're so limited that you can only press A to use the license>steamie trying to create narrative where a cassette player playing cassette tapes only is a bad thing nowwhat is that logic? Only to you a product working in the ways the product is sold is a bad thing
>>750157902Yes that's my post. Is there something you want to discuss?
>>750157870that particular license can be taken away thanks to the agreement you agreed toso you don't own it
>>750157552True but I'm talking about control and security drm. Digital always works as a service and IP enforcing
>>750157981False. He owns it regardless.
>>750157852So much wrong with what you posted.>but i bought this gun! I should be able to open it and swap partsYou do not have the right to do this. Many states have rightfully outlawed illegal gun mods. You still own the gun, you just cannot do illegal things with it. Does this clear up the confusion, vegan?
>>750157638>Steam is pay once, use at will.*Steam is pay once, access at will.
>>750157938The more apt metaphor is a casette only being playable on its manufacturer's cassette player and doesnt work in any other player.
Unironically, PC is actually the only platform where your allowed to own your games. Any dev can literally just release a game on a disc or fucking whatever, there's no jewish corporation behind the platform telling them what they can and can't do. Meanwhile cucksoles are just DRM machines and you're forced to hack them just to get any control. No different than a HP printer.
>>750158014DRM is off topic from anything being discussed in this thread. It's a red herring commonly used by PC vegans to escape the criticism of non ownership.
>>750157925I'll tell you this; it was never illegal
>>750157887no>https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2015/10/28/2015-27212/exemption-to-prohibition-on-circumvention-of-copyright-protection-systems-for-access-control#p-147>The Register also confirmed that the exemption for gamers should not extend to jailbreaking of console software because such jailbreaking is strongly associated with video game piracy.
>>750157902Nta but eric and sealion deserve it for unfairly attacking nintendo, the last bastion of good games and actual, physical ownership. Westoid greed is darth sideous, acfag is darth vader being manipulated by them, and nintendo is luke skywalker.
>>750158084>when the PC vegan is so afraid of positive traction of ownerhsip discussion that he starts to grandstand to his invisible audience
>>750157981>that particular license can be taken away thanks to the agreement you agreed toYeah but that only applies to digital distribution. This is why physical is ownership.
>>750158048you own plastic, not the gamethis board is about video games, not plastic collectiblesare you lost?
>>750158183What the hell are you even talking about you nigger? Forget about owning games, you don't even own your hardware.
>>750158142That's not really relevant
>>750158194wrongnintendo banned dumped physical gamesthat's your ownership on consoles right there, all you have is the right to use your license exactly how nintendo wants it to be used
>pc vegans when you stick the ps2 game into the wii and it doesn't work
>>750158217>vegan is now against board games because of this odd hatred of plastic and physical items
>>750158082>a casette only being playable on its manufacturer's cassette player and doesnt work in any other player.Nothing wrong in that vein since gaming has been always been like that. I think there was also something like that in the music enviroment>Buy inserttitlegame for PC>play it on PC>Buy insertitlegame for SNES>play it on SNESOnly a retard would see an issue with this. Why my insertgametitle game doesn't work on PC REEEEEE?!
>>750158303>/v/ - Video Gamesare you lost?no, board game manufacturers can't send a signal to disable their gamenintendo can
I don't think Christ would have approved of all this 'ownership' hand-wringing...
>>750158284It is. >>750157925 asked
>>750158298>consolecucks believe ownership means they have to use a corpo approved goy OS on goy hardwaregrim
>>750152005I can drop a file on the folder of almost any steam game and be able to run it without steam.You can't see even see the file system.
>>750158298And yet my PS2 can play my Wii disc... curious! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo08jxCVQhIYou will never own your hardware tendie-chan
>>750152217>on disc DRM was worse than no disc DRM...?
>>750152242>He thinks he actually owns his machineLol
>>750158161
>>750157850silence, brownoid
>>750158381Even if they could, that wouldn't prevent you from owning the.board game. Just don't do anything illegal and they have no reason to shut it down. But of course vegans have a hard time with this concept. Following the rule of law is a white people thing.
>>750158217>you own plastic, not the gameActually I own the game.
>>750158489>noninfringingyou are in fact infringing on the copyright of the operating system
Back in the day Steam Sales used to be really fucking good. That was a very very very big part of it.
>>750158285>nintendo banned dumped physical games>punish misuseYou do realize you are in the wrong here? Every medium goes against this
>>750158263>doubles down
>>750158573oh, so if i take a shovel apart and use the handle as a stick, the manufacturer can take the shovel away from me?
>>750158453>>750158460We already went over this. Drm has nothing to do with ownership. You can still use your console to play games, even though you can't illegally jailbreak it. It's called following the law, the same law that outlines ownership.
>>750158470>playing a game made for better hardware in an inferior hardware hindering it in the processJust get a wii/wii u or emulate, nobody is that poor to only have a ps2.
>>750158554Nope. Personal use has always been allowed and will not trigger a legal dispute, only a civil suit at absolute worst, and that only if you're using your knowledge to advertise and spread DRM breaking methods or tools.
>>750158575>quadruples down on being a fucking retardDon't bother replying again.
>>750158472on disc drm was worse than the no drm we currently have, that is correct, thanks for finally learning english, ESLjeet
>>750158662No, but you can get punished depending how you use that shovel piece.
>>750158056>rightfullyNothing righful about that. And even then, you're still allowed to do a lot of things with the gun. It's only certain mods that are illegal. By the way, there's no equivalent law that says modding games is illegal.
>>750158547>functionality doesn't matter, only possession doeslol>>750158550you own the plasticplastic that can be made useless beyond being a collectiblebut you don't care about playing the game, just displaying ittendies are estrogenated søy creatures so you have plenty of funkos already
>>750158737I'll reply whenever I feel like it, sweetie.
>>750158708Never say that in a shitch 2 thread or the mentally ill nintendo cult will knife you
>>750158787>you own the plasticNope. I own the video game.
>>750158703Until they decide you don't.As you have no control on what happens with your box, they're one patch away from disabling games from running on your machine, like they literally just did with several movies.
>>750158802No. I will. Fuck off
>>750158194No. It only applies to consoles. This is why PC is ownership.
>>750158802Hold on, PC vegans just said I couldn't crack or emulate consoles. Which is it, PC vegan?
>>750158778Read the law, modifying games is illegal under the DMCA.
>>750158703no, it's called console being goy devices that you can't owni'm not limited in my OS choice, i'm not limited in modding gamesyou areyou have fewer rights than metherefore you don't get to call yourself an owner of a game or the console
>>750158472Yeah. Consumers didn't want StarForce or securom or any of that other bullshit. They voted for their wallet and they voted for the option that gave them more freedom, even if it cost them the token of ownership
>>750152217>>750154905>>750156445>>750158759>I don’t know how to burn CDShut up kid
>>750158858Nintendo would never do that. They respect the customer and only go after brownoid thieves and criminals.
>>750152005You buy games?t. Pirate Lord since 1995
>>750158858>As you have no control on what happens with your box, they're one patch away from disabling games from running on your machine>connecting to internet to begin withFeels good running on out of support OS and having consoles without internet connection. Stay getting cucked and indoctrinated into that
>>750158912Nobody said you didn't own your computer
>>750157507>False.False.>False.False.
>>750157505CS "economy" ruined PC gaming as a whole
>>750158913What the fuck is up with your reading comprehension? I was talking about the >playing a game made for better hardware in an inferior hardware hindering it in the processpart because mentally ill tendie niggers really love playing insanely downgraded ports in their toddler's tabletI mean, they're playing fucking elden ring's at 30FPS and praising it. That's a PS4 game. It's 2026. What the fuck?
>>750158928If you don't own your console, then why can you legally resell them at any store? The first sale doctrine, codified in US law, seems to prove you wrong.
>>750158912You got it the other way around; PC is the default digital only machine. If anything, it's the one being affected by it the most
>>750159012It's not a debate really. I'm teaching you the answer. You can be ignorant of it, I don't care.
>>750158735>personal useok retard, have fun jailbreaking when no one has made a jailbreak in your retarded worldyou have to rely on people breaking the law in places outside your country's jurisdiction
>>750159010That depends on the os you're tho
>>750152005>pc veganRetard keeps trying to make this a thing.
>>750159065I can also sell a google stadia that can't play any games due to the service being shut down, just sayan
>>750159037I'm an idort so your attack missed
>>750158918Read the law, it's not.
>>750159001So, how you're supposed to play new games?
>>750158771you only get punished for misusing that shovel piece if you buy it from a shovel manufacturer that scans the integrity of the shovel and sets it on fire if it's been alteredand that's nintendo
>>750158990Burning CDs is pointless these days
>>750159116Are you saying you are the jailbreakign source and you don't rely on outside information?
>>750159150What the fuck is up with your reading comprehension? I wasn't fucking attacking you, I was just fucking explaining you what I meant because you can't read of shit. The fact that you're even pointing that shit out, actually makes me think that you're not even an idort. You're acting like a retarded fragile child.
>>750159065because reselling is not necessary to ownershipthe same way the right to choose how you use your property is not necessary to ownership on consoles since you keep dodging that
>>750152005>>750152217Everytime i come to these threads op is btfo in the first post sometimes second, fibby and scribby keep winning.
>>750159037More and more games are becoming switch 2 exclusive, and the definitive editions are always on console. Why would you play the pc version which cant even be owned?Tick tock vegan.
>>750159128I doubt it. You own your hardware regardless of what OS you use.
>>750159182>play new gamesNot really worth the attention so nothing lost. Also; one consoles of choice that will last like a decade if that desperate to play semi average releases
Despite being on the platform that you can do anything on, PC sissies still shackle themselves to defending certain entities like valve. Fucking slave behavior.
>>750159135So?
>>750158178>nintendo, the last bastion of good games and actual, physical ownership>he actually, genuinely, unironically, believes this
>>750159256i'm saying that you can't have a jailbreak in the first place if you punish everything that isn't personal use, you fucking muppet
>>750159261Good to know.
>>750159263because reselling is not necessary to ownershipFalse. Read the law. Exhaustion principle and first sale doctrine. I dont want to repeat myself again.
>>750152005Are you retarded? You own the game via a license>but but what if steam le shuts down or somethingIt's been 20 years of this argument, nothing ever happens
>>750159286>and the definitive editions are always on consoleYour own exclusives aren't even the definitive editions anymore you fucktard>inb4 sour grapes response
>>750159378I know. Someone has to break the law for me to personally benefit from console jailbreaking. I already knew that.
>>750159331At least PC "sissies" aren't stuck with a single distributor
>>750159356It sounds like something a fat faggot retard would say.
>>750159413no thanksbundle of rightsi don't have this one thing, you don't have the other
>>750159207>you only get punished for misusing that shovel piece if you buy it from a shovel manufacturer that scans the integrity of the shovel and sets it on fire if it's been alteredNo, you'd get punished for using it wrong. Which is exactly the way the retards banned were doing with Switch 2 (and that's not even new since ms was doing the same decades before with windows validations)>>750159238>pointlessNot at all; ps1, ps2, Wii/GC, Dreamcast. Perfect to play games there.
>>750159517Neither are console users. We have amazon, walmart, target, gamestop, eshops, etc
>>750159358>>750159462Then show the class how you can sell your pc versions legally. You DO own them, after all. They arent attached to online accounts that specifically sell you non-transferable licenses?
>>750159526Your attack on my character is noted
>>750159476then why are you talking? jailbreaking consoles is illegal because making a jailbreak is illegalare you having issues following basic logic?
>>750152217consoles are literally locked down DRMboxes though?
>>750159286>and the definitive editions are always on consoleThere is not a single video game in all of recorded human history where this is the case.>Why would you play the pc version which cant even be owned?You're getting consoles and PC mixed up again.
>>750159561Sure here you go https://www.ebay.com/b/The-Sims-1/139973/bn_7023456497
>>750159531so are you willing to admit that license ownership is not real ownership yet?
>>750159528You just absolutely slayed the PC vegan argument that digital games can be owned.
I'm so sick of attention seeking faggots, OP has had it explained to him countless times but keeps making these threads because he's desperate for (you)s.
Uh oh pc vegans are getting upset again
>>750159326Windows has been very enthusiastic in taking away the control of their computer from their users. You can't do shit with the hardware you own if they weasel into deep layers (which hasn't happened yet thankfully, but you never know with windows)>>750159331Shhhh don't boild their double standars, keep them happy
>>750159528You know ai is usually wrong, right?
>>750159561I'll do that as soon as you show yourself modding your console games and making backups of them.
I like consoles now that my playstation runs windows.
>>750156487>worked in my machine with a crackWith that kind of logic, Steam allows you to own your games after downloading them because its DRM is super trivial to bypass, unless it's some AAAA game or random Bathtub simulator 2029 that has Denuvo for some reason and no one wants to put in the effort (ie AI tokens) to crack it.
>>750159687nope, says it right there, not strictly requiredjust like you not being able to do more than press A to use your license is not strictly required
>>750159672I'm not telling you it is; digital distribution can't be owned, only physical.
>>750159637>back when PCs had ownership That wasn't really ever under dispute
>>750159624Show which pc multiplats can be played portably, like switch 2 versions. Steam deck doesnt count, its an overpricrd vegan slop box.
>>750159531>not at allBut you can do all that from the hard drive. It'll even run better when it doesn't have to read a disc>>750159543Well thanks to snoy it's only a matter of time. The others will follow suit just like they did with paid online
>>750159593>jailbreaking consoles is illegalSee >>750158735
>>750159776console distribution can't be owned thanks to the numerous amount of restrictions it imposes, only pc games can be owned
>>750159765I'm not telling you being able to blown Steam's security means there's no issue there.
>>750159718I already did that. Ready to concede?
>>750159783anything on a laptop?>it doesn't count!!!lol
>>750159842>playing optical discs machines with hdd storage instead>mfwThat's as stupid as playing pc games with floppy disks
>>750159605Playing console games on more than one console never carried any risk. It's not that there was DRM, it's what the DRM did
>>750159771So what is you position then? Digital media can be owned, but physical can't?
>>750159584See what I'm saying?
>>750152005Because it's more economical to pay a couple bucks and "rent" a game for a few decades or possibly my entire life, than buy it for $50 and own it "forever."
>>750159071Digital is irrelevant. Nintendo or Sony can just as easily disable your card/disc as they can a digital copy.PC isn't affected since you have filesystem access, meaning there's nothing anyone can do to take your games away.
>>750159842>in two more weeks what I said will be true maybeThen it's false today. Concede that position immediately.
>>750159852False.
>>750159938Seriously, ACfag? A laptop? Is it the same one you borrow from your mother to play terraria and team fortress 2?
>>750159973Sure.
>>750159842>Well thanks to snoy it's only a matter of time. The others will follow suit just like they did with paid onlineIt depends if it becomes a thing, like Steam killing physical. The thing on consoles is that Sony is jumping the shark, Xbox always wanted to cuck physical so only Nintendo is left doing it but then again a fair amount of retards are falling for the gkc scam (japan with the ffvii "remake" lmao). So all boils down to if PS6 and Helix sustain or collapse miserablyCan't blame them if that's where the money is; it's all on the consumer's hands.
>>750159959either it's all ownership with limitations or neither of it is ownership because of digital and console limitations if you want to be strictyou pick, i don't exactly care, just want you to stop sucking your own cock when you have no leg to stand on
>>750159862This is a fast thread so I must have missed that. Please link the post.
>>750160021I'll concede that when steam removes games from my library in two more weeks
>>750160063hypocritical opinion noted
>>750159780Alright here you go then, here's a modern physical PC game that you can resell https://www.wetheindies.com/product-page/the-winds-path-pc-dvdPC is an open platform, devs can sell you the physical non DRM disc if they want, nothing is stopping them other than the fact that no one other tendie cultists give a fucking shit about that worthless garbageAnd since you are fucking retarded, I'll just point out that this item includes a steam key AND the disc with the installer in it without any DRM. So you basically get the game twice.Imagine, you're an indie dev in 2026. Are you going out of your way and make a physical release to cater to 3 autists, or are you just going to focus on making the fucking game and selling it with 0 hassle on digital storefronts? If I want to own my PC games, then I pirate them, simple as that. This is the only platform where I know that no one can take away my games. Just today with the new switch 2 hack, nintendo will potentially block running certain switch 1 games due to them being able to used for the new exploit. I'm happy that this sort of cancer will never happen on PC.
>>750152005Qrd on pc vegan?
>>750160167No need. Look it up if you want to know how to do it.
>>750160019>Nintendo or Sony can just as easily disable your card/disc as they can a digital copy.No, they can't. Unlike PC, a console can be fine without internet. Stop projecting your terminally online disease>PC isn't affected since you have filesystem access, meaning there's nothing anyone can do to take your games away.There are already cases of licenses being revoked.
>>750160069a laptop is portablewhy are you crying?you do know that the switch 2 gpu is on par with a gtx 1050 when it's docked, right?why are you being picky?
>>750160205Can't remove what you never owned in the first place.
>>750160241Fuming at others as always
>>750160284A laptop is not portable. It requires a table to use and needs to be plugged in. It is a far cry from a nintendo switch.
>>750156773>>750157484>>750158178>>750160069The rest of us can't see your imaginary boyfriend so you'll have to give context if you're going to keep bringing him up.
>>750160329They actually can; they can revoke the license, it's the only thing remotely close to own in there. And without the license they have no access (at least from there)
>>750160138>either it's all ownership with limitations>or neither of it is ownership because of digital and console limitations if you want to be strictOkay but ownership of licensed entertainment media is already defined and codified into law so your random guess at how ownership works or should work is a worthless gesture. I can teach you, but I can't learn it for you.
>>750160252Thank you for consneeding.
>>750159951what are you even trying to say? You can access your entire library regardless of generation on any pc and even across OS'es
>>750160395a laptop is portable, learn what words mean you fucking idiotwhat you're asking for is a handheld and you preemptively dismissed one because you know your retarded argument has no legs to stand on
>>750160205>I was factually wrong but I get to kake demandsNope. Either concede and be honest or continue lying. It's not my reputation at stake either way.
>>750159543Not true. All games are distributed by the console manufacturer to retailers
>>750152005I have a backup copy of pretty much everything I give a shit about. Consolesharts could never.
>>750152005We didn't tho?
>>750160232>here's a modern physical PC game that you can resellYou mean own? >PC is an open platform, devs can sell you the physical non DRM disc if they want, nothing is stopping them other than the fact that no one other tendie cultists give a fucking shit about that worthless garbage>And since you are fucking retarded, I'll just point out that this item includes a steam key AND the disc with the installer in it without any DRM. So you basically get the game twice.>Imagine, you're an indie dev in 2026. Are you going out of your way and make a physical release to cater to 3 autists, or are you just going to focus on making the fucking game and selling it with 0 hassle on digital storefronts?>If I want to own my PC games, then I pirate them, simple as that. This is the only platform where I know that no one can take away my games. Just today with the new switch 2 hack, nintendo will potentially block running certain switch 1 games due to them being able to used for the new exploit. I'm happy that this sort of cancer will never happen on PC.Your feelings are noted, PC vegan.
>>750160424>ownership of licensed entertainment mediaso not ownership of games thanks to all the restrictions that are placed on you by the console manufacturer that don't exist on pc
>>750160273>No, they can'tYes they can.>Unlike PC, a console can be fine without internet.Not really. You won't be able to play new games that require newer firmware and the games you can play will be permanently broken release versions. You can also keep a PC connected to the internet without anyone being able to disable your games.>There are already cases of licenses being revoked.And it doesn't matter for shit since the files are still on my SSD and I can keep playing them uninterrupted.
>>750160486I disagree.>>750160405ACfag has been trolling nintendo threads for 16 years, and has been making nintendo fans suffer through his idiocy. It is timr he gets his comeauppance.
>>750160617I accept your concession
>>750160470I'm talking about before stem. Pay attention
>>750160273unlike a console, no one can nuke your hardware and make it inoperable because it's connected to the internet>There are already cases of licenses being revoked.you mean like what nintendo did to cartridges when people dumped their games?
>>750160405You'll have to lurk moar
>>750160639you disagree on definitions of words?is that how desperate you truly are?
>>750160714Wrong. If you dont update windows, you cannot use online, and microsoft can delete any file on your computer, if they want.
>>750160639>ACfag has been trolling nintendo threads for 16 years, and has been making nintendo fans suffer through his idiocyHoly based. I kneel.>It is timr he gets his comeauppance.Is that what you call it when you have imaginary sex with him?
>>750160621You guessed incorrectly. Would you like to know the correct answer?
>>750160801post a single example of your delusion manifesting in the real world
>>750160491I stated my case. "Nope" is not an argument. None of us have any reputation on an anonymous vacuum cleaning forum so I don't know why you think you're special in that regard
>>750160824nah, i already know you're copingyou need to specifically say ownership of licensed entertainment media because it's not real ownership, just cope so you can have a buzzword to spout at the enemies of your cult
>>750160846https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/3892170/latest-windows-update-has-deleted-all-my-personalYour pirated games can be deleted any time. So much for you owning them kek
>>750160578>Consolesharts could never.I do too, and lots of binder filled with bootlegs + a couple of hdd for them, you dumb seething vegan
>>750152005Our lord and savior is good to us, he will provide our rightfully acquired games on judgement day. How have your gods treated you, welp?
>>750160513No they're published by a publisher and sold to distributors to later be sold to retail locations.
>>750160926you claimed this is what would happen if you DIDN'T updateis reading really that difficult to you?
>>750160786Can you use a laptop in a subway? On the toilet? In the park?
>>750160329>can't removeThank you for conceeding
>>750160578A little off topic but okay.
>>750160801>>750160926Doesn't affect me. Wincattle are little more than consolecattle and deserve it.
>>750161000Windows forces updates, vegan. you shoukd know this.
>>750160648There's no ground to concede unfortunately. You told me your opinion and I laughed at you.
>>750161003could you use a portable heater in a subway? on the toilet? in the park?you don't have to fight this retarda portable means it's small and can be moved easilya handheld means you can use it when held in your handjust concede with dignity
>>750152005They are weak willed and fold to the fat mans tricks.
>>750160395>It requires a tableWrong>needs to be plugged inWrong
Jesus christ, how the fuck does no one know the actual reason why.>>750152005PC games were being forsaken by an increasing number of publishers in the late 2000s because PCs were falling behind in one crucial hardware aspect. The install base for PCs with DVD drives was still so absurdly low. Where most PCs still only had a CD player, consoles were already moving on to HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, the latter of which was a licensing nightmare.That's why a lot of PC games that came out in the late 00s had both CD and DVD box variants, to account for the overwhelming majority of PC users that never picked up a DVD Drive. It's also why there were so many PS360 games that remained console-only. It was all just because publishers did not want to bother with the hassles of multiple physical formats for what was perceived at the time as a much smaller install base. It was bad enough that you'd need 4+ CDs to install a game that could fit on one DVD; it was over once games needed to start boxing multiple DVDs.Many major publishers were backing out of PC by the late 2000s because of this disc format issue. Anything else like fears of piracy was nothing compared to the logistics and costs of still having to ship with the older disc formats.The shift to online distribution of digital copies was the only thing PC could do to remain a viable platform. Steam was there at the right place at the right time.
>>750161080you can disable themwhy are you trying to be an authority on PC when all you have is an office laptop from 2020? you have never seen the inside of a bios, you tech illiterate mongoloid
>>750160621>so not ownership of gamesFalse. Licensed entertainment media in the form of interactive media is called video games.
>>750161093Your opinion has been noted.>>750161037Linux is no better. Games barely even work on it, and every moment pacman.org breaks, so its not worth using.
>>750160625>Yes they can.No, the only time that happened was with retards trying to play pirated copies. >You won't be able to play new games that require newer firmwareThat's a dumb logic, this only applies to online play. >You can also keep a PC connected to the internet without anyone being able to disable your games.Worse, someone can fucking disable you entire os. This is why I went back to unsupported OS>And it doesn't matter for shit since the files are still on my SSD and I can keep playing them uninterrupted.We're not talking about you and your limited reality, the majority will lose access to that data unless someone managed to back it up and that back up isn't nuked because copyright
>>750160904I'm sorry you feel that way.
>>750161185licensed entertainment media is plastic, you own thatgames are games, you don't own that and agreed to a revocable license when it comes to their usehope this helps
>>750161176Microsoft can turn them back on.https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/7v3ij1/windows_update_service_reenabling_itself/
>>750160873>anonymousKEK
>>750161193>Games barely even work on it,Werks on my machine. Try coming back to 2026.>and every moment pacman.org breaksI'm not retarded enough to use arch. Not my problem.
>>750160714>unlike a console, no one can nuke your hardware and make it inoperable because it's connected to the internet>those times windows 10 obliterated people's computers when they were retarded and updated
>>750161085You asked for PC games that you can pretend to own. I posted an old game. You didn't accept because muh semantics. I posted a modern one. You smugly decided to not focus on it for some reason. That's all there is to it. And I didn't say my opinion, I said a fact: PC is an open platform, any dev can release a physical version without DRM without the fat fuck at steam telling them that they're not allowed to.
>>750161296>works on my machineSure.
>>750161278>sysadminso office pcs? is this really how desperate you truly are?
>>750161176>you can disable themNo, you can't. They forced telemetry because all of the user disabling them before. You can only "delay" them now
How can we kill Valve, /v/ros?
>>750152005Things like "ownership of games" are set top down by people with actual power (governments and big corporations). What goyim "accept" has literally no impact on it.
>pc vegansbut consoleniggers are the fringe minority
>>750161387yes, you can disable them, takes 2 minutesmaybe don't talk about something you don't understand?
>>750161159Here's comes the vegan grandstand to his invisible audience
>>750161417>he still thinks that the botted wukong numbers were reallol
>>750160710you could always just pirate though? unlike on console, which is probably why ownership matters more to consolefags since they straight up can't play a game if the dev chooses to revoke access
>>750161386Concession accepted, vegan.
>>750161453>yes, you can disable them, takes 2 minutesIt's a false prompt, anon... you need to go out of your way to actually disable, something the majority doesn't know or do
>>750161487hey, if you think that your console is on the level of ownership of an office pc, that's your choicei'm willing to accept that
>acfag is absolutely malding because famitsu reports yet another batch of record sales, while nintendo says they wont get rid of physical>while steam loses billions in lawsuitsKek
>>750161535and that takes 2 minutes
>>750159698i eat meat though
>>750161194>No, the only time that happened was with retards trying to play pirated copies. Which means they can and just haven't done it to anyone else yet. Thank you for conceeding.>That's a dumb logic, this only applies to online play.a lot of offline games require new firmware too.>Worse, someone can fucking disable you entire os.Not if you use Linux.>We're not talking about you and your limited reality, the majority will lose access to that data unless someone managed to back it up and that back up isn't nuked because copyrightAnd on console you don't even have the option of making a backup. Even if your games get nuked, you can pirate them right back.
>>750161551Let's go back first sale doctrine if you need a refresher of ownership. Can you sell your console and console games?
>>750161267>licensed entertainment media is plasticAlso metal and probably some minerals, idk it's entirely irrelevant what materials make it. >you own thatYup I own video games.>agreed to a revocable license when it comes to their useNope. It can not be revoked from me. All my games are safe. >hope this helpsI already knew every PC vegan is a liar so no further proof was needed. Thanks though.
Spamming "vegan" for literal years when it's obviously never going to catch on is not "dedication" or "based actually". It's insanity. You should seek mental health so you can live a normal life instead of this online hell you're stuck in.
computer: arch3ds: homebrewedps5: hackedcomplete ownership: achieved
>>750161669ownership is not defined exclusively as the ability to resell games
>>750161292Depends on who you're arguing with, but I guess console war autists would be that unhinged
>>750161370>You asked for PC games that you can pretend to own.I did no such thing.
>>750161551>implying an office pc has any level of ownershipthe times I used those were the most cucked shit ever; everything was under paid goy subs, absolutely every piece of software. it was borderline distopic and that was a decade ago
>>750161683it can be revoked from youyou agreed to it and nintendo has mechanisms to enforce itanything more than this is cope
>>750161771>>750159561
>>750161612Something almost nobody does.
>>750161791that's exactly what i'm sayingan office pc is a foreign device where you're not allowed to do shit, same as a console
>>750161718Us law says otherwise.
>>750152005>troll thread #six million
>>750161683>Yup I own video games.No. You own the piece of plastic it's stored on, not the actual digital game, like I do on PC.>Nope. It can not be revoked from me. All my games are safe. Wrong. All it takes is revoking the license attached to your card or disc. It has in fact already happened.
>>750161718Ownership is proven by multiple things. One of those things is a legal transfer of property, selling, bartering, trading, gifting. Etc. Hope this helps.
>>750161714You WillOwnNothing
>>750161851>>750161791Office pcs are no different from home PCs. Your computers have parts that arr illegal to tamper with, if you read the eula from intel and nvidia.
>>750161721There's nothing unhinged about noticing a pattern of PC vegans trolling certain topics and then exacting revenge on them in their own perferred topics.
>>750161667>Which means they can and just haven't done it to anyone else yet. Thank you for conceeding.Where the issue here? Microsoft has done the same since the 90s and the people affected have been doing bad use of their product's features.>a lot of offline games require new firmware too.Which ones? >Not if you use Linux.Sure but Linux is microscopic in terms of pc useage, everyone is on windows basically.>And on console you don't even have the option of making a backup.Yes, I do; my consoles are hacked. Not that I need a backup when the console and the game are in good shape and works.
>>750161810I didn't see "pretend" written anywhere.
>>750161867you can own property without being able to resell it>>750161884and another of those things is the right of control and quiet enjoymentsomething you don't havehope this helps
>>750161795Nope, my games are safe.
>>750161993This. Snoys like eric spam CSAM in nintendo threads, so dont even think of claiming "both sides!" Like ACfag tries to claim.
>>750161470You could, but convenience is king for the average gamer. It was the whole argument for consoles before this ownership debate flared up
>>750162025>again with the fucking semanticsAlright you win, I don't care anymore
>>750161948you're not an owner of an office pc, the corporation isyet consoles have the same, if not worse restrictions
>>750161851Nah, on a console I can actually play games. and office pc is locked down to not do it for obvious reason and has deep surveillance. A colleague tried to play Quake 3 in the meantime once and got scolded>>750161948>Office pcs are no different from home PCs.Nah, at home I can choose what I do and install with it.
>>750162048>you can own property without being able to resell itFalse.
>>750162057whatever helps you sleep at night, princess
>>750161948Office pcs belong to the company not you. It's basically just a rent pc
>>750162129an office pc is made for one thing and one thing onlya console is made for one thing and one thing onlythey're basically the same
>>750162129>>750162112You don't own your pc as much as you think. If you did, then go ahead and play switch 2 games on it. Natively, no emulation.
>>750161876>You own the piece of plastic it's stored on, not the actual digital game, like I do on PC.You can't own digitally formatted PC games whichbis 99.999999% of PC games. Digital games aren't covered by the exhaustion principle. Sorry. Console owners can own their games. If it helps, and I think it does because I see you guys do this a lot, whenever we criticize your lack of rights, just lie and say ownership is "selling" and video games are "plastic".
>>750162097I accept your concession.
>>750162137just as false as your claims to ownership when you can't do things an owner should be able to do with their property
>>750162238>they're basically the sameExcept it's only a negative for pc, for consoles it's their plus. Not comparable like the vegan's seething agenda tries to
>>750162048>andNope. No "and".
>>750152005Every time I bought a physical game, it came with a steam installer. I tried voting with my wallet, but they took away my other option.
>>750162252whatyou can't do that because of nintendothe same way, you can't choose your OS on a switch 2 because of nintendothe enemy in both cases is nintendo
>>750162296Owning something doesnt entitle you to do illegal things. This is the third time you had to be told this.
>>750152005Because PC browns are turdies that happily gave up the concept of real ownership to be able to buy shovelware for cents to larp as rich paying customers.
>>750162070true enough, although pc's have become just as or even more convenient after steam IMPO
>>750162296>your claims to ownershipHe said it!
>>750162314nah, that's just your hypocrisy showing, bubyou don't get to cope like this
>>750162252>You don't own your pc as much as you think. If you did, then go ahead and play switch 2 games on it. Natively, no emulation.I don't see how those correlate...
>>750162362But you own your pc. Why can it not run nintendo games? Where is the ownership that you and eric and acfag gloated over?
>>750162296>you can't do things an owner should be able to do with their propertySuch as? Keep in mind all consoles will be cracked eventually so anything to do with duping, modding, or piracy isn't an acceptable answer.
>>750162427>hypocrisyNo, different products = different needs. A PC is a multitasking machine that suffers when it's denied from doing mutiple tasks, a console is a dedicated device that suffers when it's forced to do tasks outside its own.
>>750162429>>750162458
>>750161884>One of those things>Nope. No "and".is it really that hard to maintain a consistent narrative for you?
>>750161993I thought you were talking about digging up actual personal information. I guess there's always that one retard. I've been around long enough to not bother engaging with retards so congratulations on not being a retard
>>750162458>But you own your pc.>M(icrosoft's)fw
the fact that someone like timmy can just take your steam game and tie it to another drm platform after your purchase says all you need to know about pc game ownership
>>750152005We can download them to our hard drives and install cracks the moment steam decides to backstab us. We're safe.How about you, filthy console peasants? What choice do you have? The moment snoy and micropeen decide to rape your anus, you have no choice but to obey. The thing you paid money for does not belong to you, after all, and you may not run your own code on it.
>>750162540Sure I'll bite. What can't I control?
>>750162365they're not illegaljust forbidden on consolesan arbitrary restriction on your rights that proves you don't have ownership>>750162495>keep in mind that people will do something nintendo really doesn't like and i'm worshipping thempick a lane, please
>>750162530>you own your pc so it's bad if it doesn't run other products/companies softwareThat's a very fat fetched correlation. Sounds more like a case of nds
>>750162572I have no problem with doxing either.
>>750162590Then let's see you play your steam games on the switch or xbox or playstation.
>>750162016>Where the issue herethe issue is with you not having full control over your hardware or games.>Microsoft has done the same since the 90sAnd that's a bad thing too.>Which ones? I don't actually have a console so I can't give a comprehensive list, but most recent I've heard GTA 6 will for example. That's why dumping it isn't guaranteed. I remember hearing that about other games too in the past.>Sure but Linux is microscopic in terms of pc useage, everyone is on windows basically.Maybe, doesn't affect me.>Yes, I do; my consoles are hackedFair enough. But in that case, piracy and cracks are fair game too so PC has ownership as well, and with significantly less effort and drawbacks than a hacked console.
>>750162458because no one owns nintendo's property, they want everyone to be raped inside a cage of their making
>>750162651It should be possible on Switch if someone that actually knows about PC, unlike vegans on /v/, does the code. Switch had android built in
>>750162634I am using ACfag's retarded logic against him. If he owned his games and they have no drm, they should work on any computer and console. The vegan runs asay whenever he gers btfo.
>>750162616>couldn't answer the question
>>750162675See >>750162495
>>750162651What point are you even trying to make
>>750162729He just ran away here when I projected unwavering loyalty onto me >>750162616
>>750162821>I*he
>>750162254>You can't own digitally formatted PC games>can copy them>can mod them>no one can take them awaySeems like ownership to me.>Sorry. Console owners can own their games.>can't copy them>can't mod them>nintendo and sony can take them awaySorry, not ownership.
>>750152005PC gamers have de facto but not de jure ownership, because they can just install a crack and do whatever they want with the files.Console gamers have neither de jure nor de facto ownership.
>>750162521so? this is just a justification for having lesshere's how retarded you sound>boy, being paraphlegic means i have different needs! i no longer need to think about being out in public! i can dedicate myself to sitting at home and doing simple tasks with my hands!no, fuck off, it's strictly inferior
>>750162651You unironically can do it now thanks to gamenativeBasically, this shit allows you to legaly login into your steam account on android and play all of the games that you have https://github.com/utkarshdalal/GameNativeThen, in the shitch 1's case, you can install android on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IllbZpMv_4Have you connected the dots already?I use that shit on my phone to play some simple mouse only games from my steam library. Consoleshit games on the other hand are locked to shitty DRM hardware. Tragic.
>>750162789>DrM aFfEcTs OwNeRsHiP>ignore that my totally drm free pc games don't work on consoles
>>750162863>Seems like ownership to me.I'm debating factual ownership, not ownership in theory. Your opinion is noted however.
>>750162735what question? if you're making a caveat that you can break copyright on your console then you lose the ownership larp since i can do the same
>>750162910>just download malware that installs crypto miners on your deviceNo thank you, vegan.
>>750163001it's open source, you tech illiterate tendoid drone
>People still bitching about first sale doctrineCompanies didn't take away first sale doctrine. Digital media is just inherently non-resellable. It's got nothing to do with restrictions or rights. It's just that no one in their right fucking minds would ever buy a digital copy from a non-respected seller.Imagine fucking going up to a mom-and-pop used game store and going "Hey, I wanna sell my digital copy of Baldur's Gate 3". They'd just look at you like you're a dumbass. It doesn't matter how the laws get changed, no one is going to buy your digital copy.
>>750162675>the issue is with you not having full control over your hardware or games.But I do, it's you being unable to accept it.>And that's a bad thing too.Then why only stick to consoles?>Maybe, doesn't affect me.It's not a maybe; we know the vast majority of computers are sold with windows>and with significantly less effort and drawbacks than a hacked console.None of them has real drawbacks.
>>750163001It's open source, your post is automatically invalid.Here's the good morning gamesir equivalent app https://gamehub.xiaoji.com/en/This one is closed source so there's an actual chance that it has actual malware in it. Since you consolekids just love closed source shit, then this one is definitely """safer""" for you.
>>750162615your choice of hardwareyour choice of OSthe settings the game runsthe filesmodifications
>>750162919What? I still own the games. The reason we can't run these on the peasant consoles is exactly because you don't own them and can't run your own code on them.That's exactly the strength of PC as a platform: Steam can't take away our games even if they heel turn tomorrow.Snoy and MS can take away yours any moment they want and you can do nothing about it. They can brick your console any day they want for any reason they want. The EULA you accepted let them.
>>750163121>>750163046Open source can still hide malware. Come on vegans, you can do better than this.
>>750162296if you're making a caveat that you can break copyright on your PC then you lose the ownership larp since i can do the same on consoles
>>750162651all of this would easily be doable if not for console manufacturers blocking the ability to install another OSno one on PC is arguing that you own your consoles my guy
>>750162882>so? this is just a justification for having lessNo, to you only it's an issue. But you're biased and try to see an issue about a product doing their intended way as sold. >no, fuck off, it's strictly inferiorBy that seething logic also a br player or a cd player. But you're wrong.
>>750163062>PC vegan spastically starts grandstanding and monologuing frantically to her invisible audience againXD
>>750163062This.Physical copies are just inherently valuable. Nobody is going to buy a fucking digital copy of a game off you. Because digital copies HAVE NO VALUE AT ALLSteam gets away with selling digital because they've been around for 20 plus years and they're convenient
>>750163185ok, screen it thenoh wait, you're a consolenigger that has never written a single line of codedo you know what meets the definition of malware? console operating systems
>>750163256>>750163171So much for your games not having drm.
>>750163125>your choice of hardwareMicrosoft, Nintendo, or Sony. You are limited to hardware brands as well. >your choice of OSSee above>the settings the game runsCan be cracked>the filesSee above>modificationsSee above
>>750163185Valid point champ. But again, here's the closed source gamesir version: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xiaoji.egggame&pcampaignid=web_share https://apps.apple.com/us/app/gamehub/id6717579482It got accepted into the applestore which is definitely """"safer"""" than the playstore. What's your excuse for this?
>>750152217I loved the ones where you had to call a number and give someone at a support desk a serial number to tell them you wanted to uninstall your software.
>>750163271you have less on consolethis is objectively where the facts endthe rest is you trying to spin it as a good thing because you're tech illiterate
>>750152217Not to say that Gaben's DRM is good (ideally no DRM would exist as DRM only exists to hamper user rights.) but securom ondisc DRM (same company that now does denuvo btw) was bad. Extremely bad.The only purpose of DRM is to protect """the investors""" it has never been anything besides detrimental to the end-user.
>>750163326It would be easy to, but you are a known liar, ACfag, so the effort would be wasted on you.
>>750163256And ownership would be doable on PC of gabe newell wasn't a kike.
>>750152005because pc gaming was on deaths door before steam took off
>>750163302Samefag. Ignored.
>>750152005bro just pirate if you hate steam
>>750163206ok, so you lose because the one thing you were gloating about is irrelevant, except now you have a dogshit brickis this really what you wanted?
>>750163430Drm does not hamper rights. Only releasing digital does that. If you want ownership, go physical.
>>750152005>PC vegansTendie thread, only a tendie of an insult this retarded
>>750163367You're the biggest retard on this platform.>PC games without any DRM actually HAVE DRM because they don't run our locked down digital prisons ("consoles"). No, it's your consoles that are locked down. Just ask Claude to explain this to you, I'm not wasting my time.
Basically all the "arguments" on both sides in this thread are based on utopian ideals rather than realism.
>>750163367where's the drm? you can play steam games on android now, valve is actively breaking down barriersconsoles actively fight against that because if the barriers are down they just lose
>>750162648So tell me about this Eric. I've only seen his face and first name
>>750163069>But I do, it's you being unable to accept it.That part was a general you referring to unhacked consoles, not about you personally.>Then why only stick to consoles?Do you mean why I focus on consoles in my arguments? Because consoles are locked platforms that you have to hack to approach any sense of ownership while PC does not equal windows and you can freely do whatever you want with one out of the box.>we know the vast majority of computers are sold with windowsThat's true. Still doesn't affect me, you or anyone else's ability to install Linux, BSD, TempleOS or whatever else.>None of them has real drawbacks.Hacking a console is more involved and still has limits on what you can do. Can't play online for example. Or if it breaks unrelated to the hack, you can't get warranty. You can buy a PC with windows installed, install something else and still get warranty because the PC is inherently open and doesn't need to be forced to be so.
>>750163424>you have less on consoleNo, I have what I want on console just as I have want on PC.
What the actual fuck is going on itt?
>>750163516It does. It hampers your rights to 1) inspect the software 2) modify the software and 3) (re)distribute the sortware as needed. It's literally called Digital Restrictions Management.
>>750152005There is literally no such thing as a physical video game, /ourguy/ Mork already debunked this nonsense. The only real form of ownership/preservation is DRM free digital files.
>>750152005>fat guy is insanely greedy and does everything he can to steal as much from others as he possibly canWow who could have predicted this behavior from a morbidly obese ex-Microsoft employee
the only ones who own their games are pirates and piracy is primarily a pc privilege
>>750163001>noooooooooo they're going to mine bitcoin on my hecking switch 1!!!!!!The funny irony here is, legit switch 1 buycucks were actually at risk of getting crypto mined thanks to the cooking mama drama
>>750163487Actually the one thing I was glaoting about was ownership. You lost there so you moved the goalpost to modifications and lost again. Try to keep up.
>>750163590People wasting their time with the hourly lolcow
>>750163558>>750163531Why does gabe newell prevent you from playing your "drm free" games on other consoles? Your games should work on any computer if they are truly drm free.
>>750163524>tendiePC vegan thread. Only a PC vegan of an insult is this retarded.
>>750163516It hampers privileges. When you're on a platform where piracy is like drinking water, privileges count for more than rights
>>750163464>CryingThe tendie thread is two blocks down.
>>750152005
>>750152005Steam doesn't enforce any DRM. Developers can choose to publish DRM free.Valves Steam DRM, which developers can optionally choose, has been bypassed since the day it release with a simple file drop in the directory or goldberg if you want to go that route. As such a majority of my library is DRM free and backups are housed on bluray discs with the bypasses for portable sharable gaming. And I get to decide where/how it is played and from what format it is executed. This can be done on some consoles but requires significantly greater effort than the 2 seconds it took me to permanently bypass everything and take ownership of my games. Steam has never made any effort to correct these extremely well known and long lasting bypasses either. It is just a way to gatekeep the truly retarded people out of ownership which is pretty fucking funny imo.
>>750163590Picrel with a healthy dose of typical consolecuck retardation.
>>750152005Didn't have much choice. In-store copies started coming with Steam keys and no discs. It was literally just a box and a piece of paper.There wasn't really a "PC gamer" tag people attached themselves back then, pc gamers just played games and left console warring stuff to console players. That changed after Valve consolized PC gaming with its store.
>>750163373>Microsoft, Nintendo, or Sony. You are limited to hardware brands as well. ok, can you choose individual parts? your form factor? can you pick hardware exactly the way you want it down to the most retarded details?no, you can't3 options all with their own concessions isn't comparable to thousands of options>Can be crackedmaking jailbreaks for consoles is illegalit's not on pc, every pc is jailbroken out of the box
>>750163538Uh no. Media ownership is a fact and codified into law.
>>750163630drm-free digital distribution is the way. it allows you to burn your own cd's make your own usb-drives, having your own backups. somehow these aren't as physical as a storebought dvd in the general public's mind
>>750163608But none of those are important. You can still play the game. Drm does not affect ownership. It only hampers pirates and thieves.
>>750152005>DOS eraMusic of the Ainur>Windows eraSpring of Arda>GFWL eraWars of Beleriand>Steam eraArda marred
>>750163531From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management>Digital rights management (DRM) is the management of legal access to digital content. Various tools or technological protection measures,[1] such as access control technologies, can restrict the use of proprietary hardware and copyrighted works.[2] DRM technologies govern the use, modification and distribution of copyrighted works (e.g. software, multimedia content) and of systems that enforce these policies within devices.[3] DRM technologies[4] include licensing agreements[5] and encryption.[6]Even the first paragraph on fucking wikipedia gives you the hint>management of legal access to digital content. >DRM technologies govern the use, modification and distribution of copyrighted works
>>750163561No. Thanks for the offer however.
>>750163719Your post was more than two sentences and therefore beyond comprehension for browns and cumbrains. It will be ignored.
>>750156972This but unironically
Question: if I buy a console game, dump it, and play exclusively the dumped version of the game to preserve my disc/cartridge, is this considered piracy?
>>750163681Umm, sweetie. He doesn't. It's Snoy and MS that won't let you have Steam on their consoles. What's stopping you from playing the games on consoles isn't DRM. It's Sony and MS not letting you. It's the Console's DRM. And that's exactly what you don't have on PC. Don't like Steam? Don't use it. Don't like Windows? Don't use it.
>>750163432>It would be easy to,not for you, you're an impoverished phonenigger that works retail and is too stupid for computersyour pathetic attempt at poisoning the well flopped
>>750163590The smartest and mildest mannered PC vegans are handling an extremely mild criticism the best they can.
>>750163704You legally have no privileges, unless you are a paying customer, and the only way to prove this is buying physical. Digital can be taken any time.
>>750163719You're trying to explain how DRM works to the iphone zoomer crowd. It'll fail anon.
>>750163861Doesn't xbox actually let you do that thanks to dev mode?
>>750163762Well, console children don't really know what their gotchas mean. They were told physical = good and pc = no physical, and they repeat it dogmatically with phrasing brief enough for their fellow lobotomites to parse.
>>750163681actually, when people put linux on consoles, they can play steam gamesnow, who's preventing linux from being installed on consoles? come on, you can answer this question, big guy!
>>750152005He deserves all his yachts, for keeping Steam a private company if nothing else.If the company you simp for is publicly traded, you are a gigafaggot.
>>750163774Spoken like a true industry plant. DRM absolutely does affect ownership. It's the very question of ownership (and the will that people should have none) that brought the rise of DRM.
>>750163879>legallyLegality doesn't count for much when users can take what they want
>>750163752>3 options all with their own concessions isn't comparable to thousands of optionsThat's fine. >making jailbreaks for consoles is illegalit's not on pcNope the laws remain the same for copyright infringement on consoles or on a computer.
>>750163647you claimed you have it because you broke copyrighttherefore, if we both break copyright we're on the same level, except you're still a delusional consolenigger with an unearned superiority complex
>>750163571>That part was a general you referring to unhacked consoles, not about you personally.Good, personal choices matter jackshit.>Because consoles are locked platforms that you have to hack to approach any sense of ownershipThat's your mistake; you have the same ownership as a music or movie player. You only see an issue here for bias and want every device being either the same or doing the same. Which is not only a mistake but also redundant since everyone has a pc.>Still doesn't affect meMost likely already did.>Hacking a console is more involved Nothing more than stick a usb stick or solder a tiny chip. >Can't play online for exampleNever important in console, only to pc. And should stay that way
>>750163793First sale doctrine trumps that. Try again, vegan. You are given the right to play a game, not illegally modify it.
>>750163798>>750163916Good. I'm relying on it. Without barely functional retards accounting for the majority of gamers businesses would take notice of this glaring hole presumably purposefully left open by Valve. Between that and being able to use steamcmd to (with the help of publicly available and archived manifests) pull ANY version of a game build you choose going back to pre-launch it truly is a phenomenal time to be a PC gamer lmfao. I've had simple scripts written for years now that allow me to input a title's name and it provides me a list of software versions which I can click on to pull the exact version of the game I want to play. All at extremely high speeds (though much older builds are on older infrastructure so they'll be slightly slower to download).Even games that have been delisted for 15 years I can download. Games where publishers pulled all the licensed audio? I can still pull the build from before that happened. Games where devs added Denuvo after launch? Not a fucking problem, downloaded straight from Steam.
>>750163916I ignored it on the grounds of her using a pointless tranime pic.
>>750163762>drm-free digital distributionthat doesn't exists unless it's analog
>>750163879>you legally have no privilegesPrivileges are not rights. Nobody legally has them
>>750164026you better tell every single pc and motherboard manufacturer that they're breaking the law by letting you hit the bios key and installing whatever OS you want
>>750163920Kinda, but it's really inconvenient, you have to switch back between dev mode and retail mode to play your normal games, dev mode apps are really separated from everything else and don't get the same access. Also you need to pay money for it.It's just not something you can build a proper platform to compete withthe MS store on.
>>750164030>you claimed you have it because you broke copyright>thereforeNope. I claimed I have ownership by citing laws.
>>750164052>You are given the right to play a game, not illegally modify it.that's one of the things I'm saying
>>750164098it does unless you view user authentication as a form of drm
>>750164110I won't be doing anything for you.
>>750164147you have not cited a law that states that you can't have ownership without resellingbecause there isn't oneagain, bundle of rights
>>750152005The consoleroach cannot even comprehend the level of freedom PC gamers have. They make retarded arguments from a consoles perspective that will never be relevant to the PC so long as pirate sites, mods, uncensoring patches, etc exist.
>>750164004>>750163943>>750163923>>750163861Wrong. If gabe wanted to, he could let you play steam games on xbox and sony and nintendo. But then he couldnt shake you down for shekels for cs go crates. You suffer from drm which actually robs you of ownership, while nintenchads have physical ownership at their disposal. Sorry, but this is not up for debate.
>>750164204that's because you lostyou don't have to do anything to jailbreak a pc and it's completely legal
>>750164220>you have not cited a law that states that you can't have ownership without resellingThat's because I never made that claim. Legal transfer of property proves legal ownership, not "reselling" you stupid illiterate lying PC vegan.
>>750164279You have to do something to jailbreak a console and it's completely legal.
>>750164240but he lets me do thatas long as i remove the evil parasite that is the console operating system, that iswhat you're asking for here, is to have a storefront within a storefrontremember epic vs apple? that was ruled illegal and apple was forced to allow sideloading
>>750164414>Legal transfer of property proves legal ownershipit doesn't
>>750164536It does.
So you all know he's trolling and are just playing along, right?
>>750164612Who, me?
>>750164098There is no such thing as an analog video game, so-called physical video games are still digital files written onto a disc or cartridge.
>>750164463>it isnt steam's fault, lord gaben would never treat me like a slave. It's those durn consolesVegans really can't handle criticism of their yacht god.
>>750164192Everything digital is drm unless you as user or owner are in full control, if the wikipedia qrd is anything to go by>>750163793>DRM technologies govern the use
>>750164579no thanksget parried, retard
>>750164240>Nintendo blacklists your console>Blacklists every game cartridge ID that ever got plugged into the console>B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b--b-b-b-b-b-but physical means ownership!>Nightmare scenario, Microsoft AND Steam blacklist your PC and block your steam account>Install Linux distro, install cracks for all the games on your HDD and pirate the ones you didn't have downloaded backThat's true ownership. The freedom to run your own software and to fully own the hardware you bought.
>>750164656Atari. You never played games from casette tapes? filthy zoomer
ACfag won.
>>750164670again, apple vs epicepic wanted to sell shit without going through apple on apple hardware and courts sided with himyou're in the wrong, consolegroidwhat's going on here is you complaining about valve not wanting to submit to obviously illegal shakedowns by console manufacturers
>>750164701>>750164695Both false. You keep trying to pull out some justfication for your thousands of dollars of money wasted on pointless steam rentals. Learn to take the L, ACfag.
>>750164680yeah unless you get the source code to modify for your purposes you will never truly own a piece of software.that's mostly not compatilbe with the video game industry even stallman I think said something of the sort.So the next best thing for digital is stuff that you can freely copy between your machines with no intermediate hamperinge (DRM) in between.
>>750164831your opinion isn't lawsorry
>>750164695>if I use words incorrectly then I get incorrect answersI love how short and non grandstandy your posts get the closer your are to losing your temper at me. Btw what you are doing is a completely fruitless effort. Ownership of licensed entertainment media is already defined and codified. You can't win. There is no debate to even be had. You simply have to endure me trolling you with facts about your gay ass computer storefronts while I gloat endlessly. 17 U.S.C. § 109
>>750164758He won at losing.>>750164794Wrong.>>750164879False.
>>750164879>yeah unless you get the source code to modify for your purposes you will never truly own a piece of software.Which renders the physical release as the only other instance even as within the drm over reaching prison.
>>750164758You're spiraling out of control son
>>750152816So Steam all of a sudden running "fests" nonstop now is not trying to make you buy shit and squeeze every penny you got?
>>750164953Feels good desu.
>>750164953you're rightwhatever ownership larp you're trying to pull already has to concede that you have any sort of ownership because you're extremely limited by your licenseit's a glorified rental
>>750152217this should just shut the argument down. Lots of people held out, maybe because of bandwidth and internet speeds in their areas, but once the internet got faster than disc drives, It became a no brainer.
>>750164936I disagree. My opinion limes up with us law.
>>75016510217 U.S.C. § 109
Anyway. Consolefags lost.
>>750164957correctvendor lock in is illegal for general purpose devices but legal for consolesbecause you don't actually own them
>>750165153Vegans be seethan
>>750165224Sure.
>>750165216You're boiling with rage
>>750165130your opinion lines up with delusions of a licensee with a revocable license trying to gloat because it came on plastic>>750165153repetition is a sign of wanting a draw in chess
>>750164745Looked it up, while those game are technically stored as analog audio they are still fundamentally just converted digital binaries
>>750165257>>750165228When is eric not seething? Him and acfag live to mald.
>>750165257Projecting.
>>750165251there we go, you know nothing about the subject so you start niggerlooping because you got intellectually lappedconsoles are anticonsumer for locking down the hardware and it's indisputable
>>750165216sounds like cope, bro
>>750165281Chess would imply we're contending for something. I'm teaching you a fact. The answer will never change.17 U.S.C. § 109
>>750165316into analog.
>>750165329Mad?
>>750165410the fact is that you can't truly own a licensed product but you're a tendie manchild so you think having a collectible means somethingtendies love their useless plastic, that's why you're more likely to be fags and troons
>>750165452Yeah. You mad.
>>750165474False.
>>750165490KEK
>>750165372You'll survive.
>>750165525trueyour supposed ownership is entirely contingent on nintendo not raping youyou're not a very clever bunch so you come up with copes as to why having less control is better
>>750165597Thanks for sharing.
>>750165586>>750165251Absolutely based
>>750165442Which the Atari computers would translate back and read as digital 1s and 0s
>>750165661you belong on reddit with how much you try to fillibuster when you lose
>>750165712You mean I belong on 4chan for how much I gloat when I win
>>750165712Its only fair, after you spent 16 years trolling metroid fans. Guess pc vegans can dish it out, but they cant take it.
>>750165773gloating is a brown characteristic>>750165786schizophreniatendies really do believe it's all just one person because they themselves are lone warriors fighting against everyone who isn't a fanatic of toddler games
>>750165871>gloating is a brown characteristicWhite actually. Lying and deception is a brown characteristic.
>>750165871Damn, you'll survive tho
>>750165898white people have humilityyou don'tall you have is izzat and you fight for that izzat
>>750165871Actually, piracy and theft and copyright infringement are brown coded. Whites arr happy to abide by the law because the rule of law is important.
>>750165871>oh no not the consequences of my actions!
>>750165708but analog
>>750165976console piracy is a moral issue, actuallyconsoles are inherently morally deficient with how their main purpose is to limit the user and protect copyright and not actually sell games
>>750152636Nobody used this shit is just a nice to have with game pass
>>750165959Actually it's you that lacks humility. Your inability to take a loss or handle criticism is borederline frightening. You're barely detatched from an umbilical cord and mommy hand feets you and coddles you.
God I love these threads
>>750166089nah, your claim to ownership stems entirely from corporate authoritynintendo is your daddy, child
>>750166043Yes yes acfag. You want everything for free. Paying for games is capitalist burgeouise, right? Much love from mother russia.
>this thread
>>750166159i pay for games, actuallyjust not console games, as their developers prioritized having control over their users over actually selling games
>>750166205Of course. You play nothing but pixeltranny game like pizza tranny, tranny knight and trannyrarria. All on your moms laptop.
>>750166205Your cheap 2 dollar indie doesn't count ACfag. When was the last toime you actually bought a real game?
>>750166241>TRANNY TRANNY TRANNYYou ok nintendork?
>>750166241>tranny tranny trannyreminderhttps://glaad.org/glaad-gaming/2024/1-in-5-active-gamers-are-lgbtq/LGBTQ and non-LGBTQ gamers report similar percentages regarding which platforms they use and which genres they play. The exceptions are 39% of LGBTQ gamers who play on the Nintendo Switch consoles, compared to 32% of non-LGBTQ gamers. LGBTQ gamers are also more likely than non-LGBTQ gamers to play on a Nintendo Switch Lite (12% versus 9%).no surprise really, considering troonimal crossing, troontopia, troonkemon are staples of tranny gamingwhy, tendies invented the biggest tranny activity known to man, shiny hunting
>>750166147>your claim to ownershipThere it is!
>>750166345>>750166313That really rustled acfag.
>>750166293ok, your games made for 10 year olds don't count either if you want to be this discriminatingtendie toys offer nothing but preschooler games
>>750166043>limit the user and protect copyright and not actually sell gamesThis vegan argument is getting really fucking burnt with the overuse
>>750166504tranny.
>>750166205>i pay for games, actually>just not console gamesyou paying for licenses...
>>750166043I just like having a platform where everyone is on the same hardware and all games are designed around it and it's locked down to prevent hacking, PC is full of security holes and you constantly get shit like say the mgsv nuke counter hacked making the endgame untimely pointless
>>750166538ok, how does the locked bootloader help you?
>>750166661>sealioningXD
>>750166585not a nintendo fan, sorry>>750166590you're feeling superior over getting worse licensing terms...
>>750166804tranny cope
>>750166753answer the questionhow does not being able to install what you want on the console help YOUi don't care about your parasocial relationship with the company making products for pedophiles
>>750166854
>>750152217>For all intents and purposes we already didn't own our gamesthe point was that you could legally resell discs if you wanted
>>750166804>the same screenshot scapegoatOk, now bring the encarta and windows 95 ones. >worsephysical gets you something in your hands, digital distribution does not; it's better.
>m.jpgWe need to ban phoneposters
>>750166865Ownership. Good question.
>>750166934see, you can't help but dodge the fact that you're getting an objectively worse version of the game by bringing up that you get a collectibleunfortunately for you, this is /v/, not /toy/
