>Andromeda cost 100m dollars to make>it sold only 6m copies in its entire lifetime>Anthen cost 100-150M to make>sold a lifetime of just 5m copies>Dragon Age Veilguard cost 150-250M dollars to make>sold only 1.5m total copies>online niggers blame EA and Saudis and capitalism because the company spent over 500M dollars in three games in the last 10+ years that couldnt even break even let alone profit
But where did they keep getting all that money from?
>>750153870They had money from their more successful games + probably mlney from EA which they all blew in 3 projects thats entirely flopped so EA decided to shut that shit down before another project takes 200M to make just to sell like 3M copies.
>>750153713>online niggers blame EA and Saudis and capitalism because the company spent over 500M dollars in three games in the last 10+ years that couldnt even break even let alone profitthose are just leftards on bluesky once again blaming le big corpos for their shitty ideologies and schizophrenias unsuccessfully infiltrating gaming
>>750154285Thing is Bioware is pretty obvious why it failed, it doesnt make money. At least with Bethesda despite how shit their games are... they sell for some reason.With Bioware how can you be surprised that a studio that doesnt sell is closing down?
>>750154285They don't want to accept that their ideas are fundamentally unpopular. >>750153713>>sold only 1.5m total copiesI would wager at least 10x the amount of people have laughed at the non-binary and queer shit in the game. enough people saw it and knew to stay away.
>>750153870Bankrolled by Daddy EA, who are in turn eternally buoyed by FIFA and Madden money.
>>750153870EA, I wouldn't be surprised if some higher up at EA was actually protecting bioware but now that they have new bosses they couldn't do so anymore
>>750153713Normals are a little special in the head on account of being born wrong. Please understand.
>>750153713did 6/5 million niggas really bought ME Andromeda and Anthem?
>>750153870Blackrock, of course.However, as the political tides are unsteady, they no longer fund this type of stuff now.
>>750153870When you make good game and make a profit you use that profit to fund future games. They made some very influential games. EA thought it was the ip and brand name that had value, but big corpos havent realized what gamers have, that studio names don't matter anymore because they all ship of theseus
>>750154749retard
>>750153870ea was subsidizing them with fifa money, which the bioware defenders/ea haters don't want to admit. if not for ea, bioware would have went under a long time ago.
>>750154393>With Bioware how can you be surprised that a studio that doesnt sell is closing down?le ebil corp is bad man, kapitalism is bad, we just want healthcare and social justice for all, you know?>>750154437the shutting down is pretty binary tho, closed or open lol
>>750153870USAID
>>750153713Even if only 2m of those Andromeda copies were bought for full price, wouldn’t that be $120mil? I hate what BioWare became and I’m glad it’s dead but are these true “flops” (not counting Veilguard because obviously the math doesn’t add up)? Or this is a situation similar to movies where the marketing isn’t included in those budgets
Why do people think Mass Effect is some legacy franchise? It hasn't even sold as much as Kingdom Hearts
>>750154719Yes but if a game costs 100M+ dollars to make then 5/6m copies is basically a massive flop. You arent even breaking even at that point let alone making profit. For a game that expensive the 10m copies mark is the loweet target to resemble some sort of economical success. Veilguard is an insane flop, 150-250m to make but only 1.5m sales is just a money sink
>>750155384They need to pay consoles/steam a commission for each sale, there's also the issue of opportunity cost, even if it managed to break even it still counts as a flop in EA eyes since putting that money in some other projects would've made a profit
>>750153713I haven't even see redditors do that, everyone I saw agreeded that BioWare was a zombie for a long time, where the fuck are you reading these opinions from?
>>750155384Thats not how money works.Bioware said Andromeda made 100M in revenue only by 2025. Basically only breaking even last year.
>>750155703NTA but you must have not been to xitter. People are full on conspiracy theory schizoing out that Jared Kushner shut down Bioware or some shit, kek
>>750153870FIFA money. The thing is that people are crying the death of Bioware when the company has been a walking zombie for years. Andromeda was shit, Veilguard was shit and the rumored KOTOR remake never saw the light of day. This is not the same case as with Criterion or Visceral who got shut down after one singular failure during EA's most controversial era, this is a developer that has only wasted money on DEI hires and hasn't released anything worth buying in over a decade.
>>750155587i dont understand where all that money went2 and 3 are direct sequels on the same engine with a lot of asset re-use and they arent even long by rpg standards its like 20-25 hours long
>>750153870Before, Bioware stood on its own. Then EA became their sugar daddy and it's been downhill since.
>>750153713But think about the impact and inclusivity the games fostered in the LGBTQ community, that's worth more than money
>>7501555155-7M is on par with kh 1-3 though
>>750155964Modern games take retarded amount of money to make. For comparison mass effect 1 was 10m and mass effect 2 was 30-40m. Veilguard is a quarter of a billion. Could literally make 25 Mass Effect 1s with that budget
>>750155964Various outside fees and salaries, usually. A lot of employees all on payroll already ain't cheap, and I know shit games like veilguard called on consultation services, which is an actual scam and most certainly money laundering.
>>750153870Larry Fink
>>750155164HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
>>750154749DEI is still around. They infiltrated Shift Up recently.
>>750155515You are doing the economically illiterate thing OP is talking about. Check the budgets of ME 1-3
>>750155703bluesky and twitter>>750155828Think in a meta sense what these platforms are. Are they journalism? Are they about finding facts? It's literally a game with a points system. Saying something that is unpopular but true won't get you points.
>>750156376deadlock is extremely tranny infested
>>750156149GTA VI is going to be GOTY, all years.
>>750153870Up until 2023 they still had TOR. Then EA moved it to another dev and they no longer had that constant baseline of subs propping them up.
>>750156195I think games should stick to 30-50 million. There's clear diminishing returns for AAA 3D assets, and it's not like they even look remotely photo-realistic. They just look like 3D animated characters with more detail.
>>750156149How do you define a flop. A lot of those games made back their money and more lol.
>>750153713Those are actually very good sales numbers. Donkey Kong Bananaza didn't even hit 5m copies. The problem is they're spending way too much money, there's no reason on earth that Veilguard, a 40 hour strictly linear ARPG with combat about as deep as the first double dragon on NES, should have cost that much.
>>750154719
>>750156149Gta 6 will sell 10M+ copies in the first 24 hours and probably 30m+ by the end of this year. If we are talking about economical flops which is a obejctive truth, GTA wont be that
>>750156662Depends how much they spent making it. And for as long as it's taken to come out, you have to weigh any profit they make over "what if we just threw it in an index fund instead"
>>750156587but Catherynne Valente needs a living wage for her netflix subscription so he can watch true crime
>>750156587Yeah no shit. Its about sales - cost.If you made a game with a budget of 30m and you sold 6m copies then thats greatIf you made a game with a budget of 150m and you sold 5m copies then thats a flop
>>750153870EA was protecting Bioware. Them and USAID both for political reasons. Now they have no left-leaning support in Saudi.
>>750156394Its not a big series, no one in the grand scheme of things actually cared about Mass Effect until it was given the green light to larp for
>>750156919Nah that's not how it works. Otherwise Star Wars would be a flop, because it's never made a profit officially.
>>750157005Depends how long is your money pipe willing to give or how much money the company has.Bioware had 3 such flops in a row.
>>750153713Most of those Andromeda copies were sold at deep discounts after launch.It sold so bad at launch that the DLC was canceled and BioWare Montreal was shutdown.
>>750157039They'll make the break even part with the online mode next year only.Also gta 5 has sold 230m lifetime copies...
>>750153870I dunno but all the redditors complaining about the "private equity" buzzterm they parrot from e-celebs and other retards fail to mention that private equity wasn't responsible for the piss poor creative design and project management at Bioware before EA went private in 2026. Jared Kushner or the Saudis arent responsible for Anthem, Andromeda, or DA:V.
>>750157103Also this. Not every copy you see as "sold" means it was 60$. In fact most of the 60$ copies are only sold in the first month or two, even for successful games.
>>750153713>>750153870>>750154009Meanwhile, the financially propped-up game companies are collapsing. Beginning, apparently, with Bioware. And yes, I do mean propped-up and I would know. The company I worked for funded Neverwinter Nights.
>>750153870Electronic Arts, one of the largest video game publishers.
>>750156569Anon's wrong about enough to throw his whole post into doubt, but no. Many of those game did not make enough to break even.Just for three examples:Halo, Marathon, and Veilguard were all such giant piece of shit that two of the responsible studios are now dead (Halo Studios, Bioware) and one is going through major layoffs instead of reinvesting in a new project (Bungie). These were all extremely expensive AAA developments.Is he retarded for predicting a GTA 6 flop? Yes. But he's mostly still right.
meanwhile in saudi:>The social liberalization is being driven from the top, by Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. The hard-charging, tech-savvy 32-year-old launched an ambitious plan called Vision 2030 to open the kingdom, diversify its economy and create jobs, especially for young people. More than 70 percent of Saudis are under 30.Many of the social changes are popular with the kingdom's younger citizens."I'm really happy that it happened now that I'm young, and, like, I can live all these changes," says a 19-year-old woman at a café in Riyadh who asked that her name not be used so she could speak freely. "The cinema, I'm really excited about it, that's the most thing I'm excited about because I love movies so much," she gushes.
Having 3 100M+ flops in a row is fucking INSANE lmao. I am surprised EA didnt pull the plug earlier.
>>750153870blackrock aka unironically the jewish cabal /pol/ has been telling you about.
>WHY DIDNT EA FUND ANOTHER 200M BUDGET AAA GAME JUST FOR IT TO SELL 2M COPIES, MAN FUCK CAPITLISM AND SHIEEEEEEET
>>750155384Retailers get a 30% cut (brick and mortar stores are still the most popular retailer if the game has a physical version), marketing budget is only sometimes counted with dev budget, any copies bundled with anything else like a controller are counted as a full sale even if it was no extra revenue, and sheer opportunity cost of having 100mil doing nothing for ten years that could've just sat in a mutual fund for better return
Bioware never sold well, its own leaders said EA saved it because the company would implode without EA. Its a piss poor run company that doesnt sell for shit.
>>750153870FIFA Ultimate Team and its variant in sports games
Its always the same reason. They do not wish to admit or deal with reality
>>750158158>opportunity costNext you'll tell me how I'm losing money shitposting on 4channel.
>>750154285If blackrock and other firms are the ones keeping these projects afloat with their ESG funding then how is it not the corpos fault for their ideologies and schizophrenias? How are big bad corporations not at fault either way?
>>750153713They have an agenda to push, what do you expect?Capitalism bad and all thatIn fact, without capitalism, the agenda would have no pushback at all
It was orange man's fault obviously
>>750155515Did 2 and 3 really sell that little? Everybody was talking about mass effect in those years.
>>750153870from the kikes that push niggafying the entire world
>>750164135The guy's not exactly busting trusts or standing up against corporate corruption or anything.
>>750154437Was it worth it, trannies?To infuse the game with your derangement and then wonder why it didn't sell
>>750154285>once again blaming le big corpos for their shitty ideologiesWe are blaming them for causing games to cost that much. Which they are responsible for.
>>750154749So how does blackrock make money off that?
>>750155384>wouldn’t that be $120mil? Correct. Virtually all of these games made a profit. >>750157175Private equity would have killed the company no matter what because the business model of private equity is cancer.
>>750164663The game sold more than every single right wing game ever made.
>>750164135i guess the term "gimp" is making a comeback from 2008-2009 video games. we used to call being bad or having a bad character build being "gimped" or "gimping" yourself ect
>>750164815What's a right wing game
>>750164135these people have no concept of meritocracy, they just want billionaires to fund failed projects forever because they feel entitled to their wealth, commies never learn
>>750164891Lying to people and then starting a genocide, mostly. Doesn't make you very popular. >>750155515Because people are ideologically captured enough that they don't realize that literally every modern bioware game massively outsold games they view as classics.
>>750153713Sounds like the first one almost certainly made money, Anthrn probably, and Veilguard didn't.
actually, it's all trump's fault
>>750164976Jewish games thenLike last of us?
>>750164891
>>750153713So who kept giving them money?
Are Saudis the only middle easterners the left is allowed to openly hate? I thought Islam was the religion of peace.
>>750164939What healthy meritocracy has such huge portions of the economy and media controlled by so few companies?The thing you don't get is tons of funding went to kind of a dogshit company because the industry isn't healthy and there isn't much competition to make genuinely better products. You have EA, someone says, "I want to make shitty games," and that gets the funding because it's one of the only companies out there right now.This is the end game for corporate greed. Shitty companies that aren't really trying very hard, and then even those collapse.
>>750165165jewish scapegoat
>>750164939The concept of a billionaire is inherently not meritocratic. >>750165029Last of Us outsells literally every single game right wingers care about to such a extent that any argument about go woke go broke is fundamentally shot in the foot.>>750165067Villains are literally a stand in for the religious right.
>>750165165They are the most western middle easterns and that makes them objectively bad.
>>750157350>Rich messy tapestry of I'm so fucking sick of gay faggots watching an independent drama of their own lives in their head. Every "gay story" is about fucking and sucking. You're not deep. You're not interesting. You're a faggot sodomite obsessed with shoving stuff in your asshole and telling the world about it.
>>750159691if you put your money into some etf 5 years ago, you're soing great.
uh oh the gcj socialists found the thread
>>750165363>Every "gay story" is about fucking and sucking.That is every romance, period.
>>750165406Except one is about actual sex and the other isn't
>>750165267so you're saying because the villains are portrayed as religious fanatics it makes halo inherently left wing? that seems pretty short sighted of you
>>750165481>so you're saying because the villains are portrayed as religious fanatics it makes halo inherently left wing?Pretty much. Halo would be called Woke if it came out today.
>>750164720>So how does blackrock make money off that?They get bankrolled by the government, on top of controlling shitloads of retirement funds and other investment funds. If you have a 401k, you probably have money being controlled by this guy.
>>750153713Andromeda came close at least. Unless they spent a lot of money on packaging.>100m budget x2 for Marketing>200m Marketing and Game budget>6 million copies sold x $60 game price>$360 million income>30% lost due to store cut>15% lost due to packaging for physical>45% total lost due to factors outside of EA>$198 million income vs $200 million costNot bad for a game that was built on hype and was complete dogshit.
>>750165267Least retarded commieBillionaires make money out of thin air, no merit
>>750165267>Villains are literally a stand in for the religious right.No, they are a stand-in for muzzies, who are now aligned with commies.
>>750164135Mass Effect 5 was announced 6 years ago and it was still in "early development". That's nobody's fault but their own.
>>750153870Business loans with the idea that they put in DEI stuff in return for good deals on the loan. But in the end, you still need to pay the loan, so they went under.
>>750165769>Billionaires make money out of thin air, no meritYes.>>750165853>No, they are a stand-in for muzziesHumanity is a stand in for Muslims.
>>750153713Post this on r/gamingcirclejerk instead of here
>>750153713>>Dragon Age Veilguard cost 150-250M dollars to make>>sold only 1.5m total copiesIt's worse than that, bro.They didn't sell 1.5 million copies. They reported 1.5 million players. They never released how much they sold.If we go by comparative examples for subscription access, it's anywhere from 20% to 50% of player totals account for an actual purchase.We can assume it sold 300k to 750k copies.
>>750164815Give me figures nigger, you are talking out of your ass. The game itself had a false start in development, originally Dreadwolf until they reshuffled the whole thing under a new director who immediately bailed post release. Just look how reactive they are with competition over the years.
>>750166078Humanity in Halo is a stand-in for fascists (literally), as they are taken directly from Heinlein's Starship Troopers.
>>750164241Those were decent numbers for back then.
>>750166154>Give me figures nigger, you are talking out of your ass.Name a right wing game. >>750166249>as they are taken directly from Heinlein's Starship Troopers.You are confusing the movie with the novel. And no, they really aren't outside of some vague aesthetic similitarities.>>750166262>Back thenYes, before woke actually made games sell well.
>>750165685no anon, how does blackrock make money off giving money to bioware to put homosexuals or whatever in video games?You don't think blackrock is a charity do you?The reason blackrock get money from retirement funds and the like is that they have pretty good, highly diverse ETFs, it has nothing to do with putting woke in video games.
>>750166348>Name a right wing game.NTA. Space Marine 2.>4.5 million copies sold>vs VG 1.5 million engagements reported
>>750166469>Space Marine 240K is and pretty much always has been woke.
>>750166469>Space Marine 2lol, lmao even
>>750166348Already asked you that and you failed to answer, said something gay about genocide, how antisemitic of you sweetie
are bioware former employees going to join the 41% ?
>>750166459>no anon, how does blackrock make money off giving money to bioware to put homosexuals or whatever in video games?>You don't think blackrock is a charity do you?Larry Fink is on record from 2010 until 2025 explicitly stating his intentions to use investor money as a bulwark for social change, with a long horizon tolerance for losses. That's what ESG funds were - a bet that burning money for The Right Social Causes would eventually result in more profits by forcing social change. Using investor money, often without their knowledge via plan negotiations, with a high tolerance for loss.It failed, and Fink now gets assblasted whenver someone mentions it to him.
>>750166596Title and last sentence contradict each other, how brave and fearless
>>750166635You answer.
Lefties want infinite mistakes, its basically baked in them that no matter how much you fuck up society or whatever should make it up to you and continue funding your hobby.Reality is that there is no serious businessman that saw Biowares last 10+ year and last 3 major titles that you listed and thought>the new Mass Effect is gonna HIT HARD and sell a gorillion copiesNot even gamers themselves had any trust in it. The company had more than enough chances under "evil capitalism" and squandered it all but like I said, commies believe in infinite chances even if it bankrupts the company.Funniest thing is FIFA packs that every leftoid and even some rightoids seethe about are the reason EA even has money to fund these massive AAA projects that fail
>>750164752Private equity being cancer doesn't change the fact that shutting Bioware down is a good decision and the buyout earlier in 2026 had literally nothing to do with Bioware being a shit studio for 12+ years.
>>750166348>You are confusing the movie with the novel.No, I'm not. Read Fall of Reach, it's literally just Starship Troopers.
>>750166596>a game can't possibly be a right wing game because the franchise owner renting out the license makes virtue signals onlineLol. Space Marine 2 is a game for chuds, sorry bucko.
>>750166714It's like talking to a child. I don't believe there is such a thing as right-wing games, you're just obsessed and label non gay no woke games as right wing
>>750165762>$198 million income vs $200 million costThat's a massive loss when you consider how much more money they could've made by investing the same money in a mutual fund
>>750164135So the left are now just women huh?Always blaming men and never taking accountability
>>750164752>muh private equityGive me one (singular) reason why EA or any company should continue funding a failed studio that doesnt make games that sell. One. Go.
>>750166910Or they wish to be women
>handed an AAA budget>handed 15 years of time>can't make a good game
>>750165762Breaking even when you are making a game with a 200M dollars budget is basically a fucking disaster for a gaming studio
>>750166983Handed 3 AAA budgets actually. They were handed 3 games with 100M+ budgets and couldnt nail one. But sure EA evil corpo, Jared Kushner jew and Saudis gay or something
>>750166772>Private equity being cancer doesn't change the fact that shutting Bioware down is a good decisionIt's a poor decision from a PR perspective and hurts the long term health of a company like EA.Literally just keeping the name around but shifting the acutal people involved would be a more clever move from a PR perspective.>>750166781The novel doesn't portray the society as facist.
>>750153713Go woke. Go broke.
>>750166919PR. Diversifying their output. The fact the games do actually sell but the issue is entirely related to budget.>>750166843There is no such thing as woke games either, yet you insist otherwise.
>>750164679They are literally bankrolling these games you dumb shit. Do you think BioWare had 250m lying somewhere to make Veilguard? Fuck no. They were bankrolled and given a massive AAA budget that is double games like Elden Ring yet they sold 1.5m copies. How is this anyone fault but Biowares?
>>750154437theyre still deluded by baldur's gate 3 thinking it's a game on their side
>>750167096>It's a poor decision from a PR perspectiveWhat are you talking about. Even redditors understand that this decision was a long time coming. Bioware was full of talentless hacks and getting rid of them is like cutting off an unprofitable and unproductive tumor.
>>750167168Woke shit is your gospel then
>>750166459They sold investors ESG funds, it was highly popular for a while. They still exist, you can look them up.
>>750167227>They are literally bankrolling these games you dumb shitThen the issue is the financial side spending too much. >Do you think BioWare had 250m lying somewhere to make Veilguard?They didn't need 250m to make veilguard. EA is the reason why that happened.
All this talk of selling the IPsHas EA ever done that? They are sitting on countless dead IPs
>>750164241Everybody was smaller back then
>>750167168>they actually sellEA expected at least 3m sales from Veilguard in the first 2 months, and over 10m over its lifetime. They didnt even ask unrealistic numbers, thats what something like Crimsom Desert from an unknown company on the single player genre was able to do.Veilguard sold 1.5m, which is 15% of their expectations. Does selling 15% of the goal means you deserve to continue your job?
What do you call this bullshitWas it worth it to die on this gay hill
>>750167446The game could cost 50m and 1.5m copies would still be a flop.Meme games with sub 5m budgets have sold more than that but sure, keep coping that Veilguard wasnt a massive flop that killed the company
>>750167478India must be nuked as soon as possible.
>>750167168>The fact the games do actually sell but the issue is entirely related to budget.They need to be profitable and they clearly fucking weren't. They were giving away DA:V for free on PSN less than a year after it launched.
>>750167442>>750166693Stop being a such bleeding hearts.ESG is just a marketing term for a fundamentally sound managed package of securities that happens to satisfy certain criteria. All of those ESG funds always made money, because that's the point of an ETF. If your ETF doesn't go up, it's a bad ETF and nobody buys it.Regardless, this doesn't address how spending money on Bioware to make video games that don't sell makes Blackrock money. Especially since Bioware is owned wholly by EA.
EA does a lot of stupid shit but in case of BioWare, its a dead company either way. Without EA purchasing them they would have gone bankrupt, with EA purchasing them, they were bankrupting EA too. So for the good of everyone, thank god its shut down
If they discovered that even an animal has a soul, would they still produce woke garbage? Would they still obsess about money?
>>750167376Woke shit is just having normal values and believes.>>750167353I'm saying that "Beloved studio gets shut down by evil company" is bad PR. >>750167623>The game could cost 50m and 1.5m copies would still be a flop.If it sold 1.5 copies it would outsell most of bioware supposed classics.
>>750164135retard getting ratio'd lmao
>>750167889ESL, please. Just admit you want to kill people with different opinions to your echochamber's.
>>750167889Bioware classics cost 5 dudes and a burger to make. Making a gorillion AAA animations doesnt cost 5 dudes and a burged to make. AAA budgets require AAA profit. If BioWare wanted a pat in the back for selling 1.5m copies, they should have switched to making indie games then.
>>750168003You don't have opinions, you are just mentally ill.
>>750153713EA was the one who bought them out and ruined them in the first place you newfag election tourist retard.
>>750168028At least I am not a mentally ill gay faggot who is contemplating suicide like yourself.
>>750167889NTA but theres just so much PR can do when a company is a money sink. The final nail in the coffin remains Veilguard no matter how much people seethe about this game one way or another. The father company wanted this game to sell 10m+ copies, it did only 1.5m and theres no coming back from this. Big game with big budget failure = GGs for the company. Happened like 10 different times these last 3 or 4 years
>>750153713>make nothing but flops over a decade>dieDESERVED
>>750167889>Woke shit is just having normal values and believes.youre a retard
>>750153713>Hire nothing but activists>Make a bunch of shit games no one wanted>Ruin beloved IP's with gay race commie bullshit>Studio shuts down>"Muh capitalism is to blame"
>>750167764ESG in aggregate trails actual market indices by 2-3% per year. CPAs and financial planners will correctly treat a 0.5% difference in AUM fees as literal hateful portfolio murder, so imagine how the general investors react to a 4x to 6x worse drag.I get this is haha funi trollpost, but it's actually impressive how poorly they performed - Satya has considered shutting down the entirety of Xbox for similar return thresholds. But Larry and co were content to shovel that money into the fire year after year.
>>750154393>Bethesda sells for some reasonCreation engine mods and community mods
>>750168037BioWare was so economically fucked its owners sold it because they thought it would go under...
>>750168015>Bioware classics cost 5 dudes and a burger to make.And why did that stop, anon? >AAA budgets require AAA profitAnd the issue is AAA budgets. >If BioWare wanted a pat in the back for selling 1.5m copies, they should have switched to making indie games then.EA would have never allowed that.
>Woke shit is having normal values and believes LMFAO leftists have no fucking beliefs, zero actual morals whatsoever, the CEO of blackrock, who's responsible for the mainstream push of woke ideologies, literally admitted it was a failed experiment. Your entire identity is a larp. Now fuck off back to gamingcirclejerk with the other freaks
>>750167376Can't wait for the mods that lets you shoot up everyone. Bet it'll be as easy as removing an invincibility flag too.
>>750153870The Canadian government unironically subsidized 30% of the cost
>>750167889>>750168184>Woke shit is just having normal values and believesAhh yes, so when pedophilia becomes normalized it won't be woke.Bravo Reddit
>>750168361>leftists have no fucking beliefsThat's not true, their core belief is hating white people and the west
>>750168251>Fallout 4 cost 150m to make>sold a whooping 35.4m lifetime copies>Fallout 76 cost around 100M to make>sold 21m lifetime copies>Starfield cost roughly 200M to make>sold at least 5m copies to dateYeah while Bethesda is a shitshow, their recent games still sell (albeit Starfield is a meh)
>>750168107You are, actually.>>750168171>The final nail in the coffin remains Veilguard no matter how much people seethe about this game one way or another.Veilguard was a failure almost overwelmingly because of EA meddling and poor business decisions. The solution, from both a pr and practical perspective, is to restructure and take personal responsibility. Especially if you have a long, LONG tradition of killing popular game studios.>The father company wanted this game to sell 10m+ copies, it did only 1.5m and theres no coming back from this.Correct. So take responsibility and admit you are the problem by trying to make a game that sold 10m+ copies. Then get bioware to make something smaller and cheaper.
>>750168237>in aggregateThat's nice, but now only look at Blackrock's would you?
Anthem sold 5M copies?!
>>750167889>cutting off your dick is normalPlease don't ever vote
>>750168459 you're the only one mentioning pedophilia in any way shape or form
>>750168361>no fucking beliefs, zero actual morals whatsoever...but enough about conservatives.
>>750168358AAA budgets work very well for other companies that sell 10m copies. Seems only an issue with BioWare.
>>750168361>LMFAO leftists have no fucking beliefsHuman society being good, for starters.>the CEO of blackrock, who's responsible for the mainstream push of woke ideologies, literally admitted it was a failed experimentNobody cares about blackrock. The culture shift happened because it was normal and popular. >>750168459>Ahh yes, so when pedophilia becomes normalized it won't be woke.If pedophilia became normalized it would mean society is actually right wing since they are pro pedophilia.
>>750168574lol
>>750168473Human society being good, yes. >>750168539More republicans rape children then democrats cut off their dick. >>750168574>AAA budgets work very well for other companies that sell 10m copies.Lol? All six of them? AAA gaming has completely collapsed compared to what it was only a decade ago.
>>750168495>then get bioware to make something smaller or cheaperOr shut them down because clearly their last 3 projects have been slop. That works too
I remember back in 2012 when people here knew that EA would eventually kill off Bethesda just like it did with other studios it bought before.Now nu-/v/ is unironically taking EA's side while pushing culture war nonsense. What the fuck happened?
>>750168703Meant to say Bioware not BethesdaPoint still stands
>>750168649>AA gaming has completelt collapsedWRONG.AAA gaming has had increased revenue each year with a record revenue in 2025.
>>750168525Blackrock's ESG aggregation also drags 2-3% behind standard market indices.Why do you think Larry doesn't promote it anymore and gets salty when people ask about it? Because it lost, and the shareholders got tired of losing.It's actually really funny - game and film fan-backlash is probably the closest we'll ever get to a leftist's vision of a "general strike" against sustained corporate interference, and yet they'll never recognize it as such because to them it's the wrong kind of prole.
>>750168703>muh culture warThe point of this thread is the economics behind Biowares failed projects you fucking mutt
>>750168650> That works tooit doesn't, actually. It's worse pr, worse for your company, worse for your bottom line, and worse morally. >>750168782No? It did well during covid, because covid, and since then has cratered.
>>750164891FnaF and Minecraft (until microsoft bought it), unironically
>>750168940>FnafMade by one guy on a budget of about ten bucks.Also being anti murder of children means it's woke.>MinecraftSold most of it's copies under microsoft.
>>750168703Things change, anon. The scope of things change. At first it was about corporate greed, but it's much more than that now. The original Bioware died a long time ago, it was just a mockery wearing a skinsuit of it. It's best to put rabid bests down so it can't infect others.
>>750168923>revenue in 2020 was 89.4b>revenue in 2025 was 103.7bAnything else?
>>750167478Get rid of China, India, Brazil (South America really), middle east, and Russia then maybe the internet will go back to the good ole days. Get rid of Israel too, but you got to do more work on cleaning them out.
>>750164135>fascism means you don't spend 100s of millions of dollars on some smug freaks from Cali>just so they can shove trannies and other mental illnesses down your throatholy fucking shit call me fucking Mussolini over here
>>750168703Bioware delivered 3 abject failures in 10 fucking years. Three major big budget failures with nothing redeemable to the point that even the alphabet soup diversity audience went "yeah that sucked" for the one that pandered to them.EA has killed great companies who did not deliver even one failure, let alone three. Bioware deserved to die in 2020.
>>750153870Kikes hate white people so much they'll spend late sums of money to subvert them. It's how extremely unprofitable shit like Rangz of powah (oh lawrd dem Rangz!) gets a 3rd season.
>>750169134Look up how inflation works, anon.>>750169232>>fascism means you don't spend 100s of millions of dollars on some smug freaks from CaliIt means you spend 100s of millions of dollars on your son in law so he can ruin art.
>>750169425Rings of power gets money because everybody else hates you as well.
>>750169429no it means you spend 100s of millions of dollars on the trains so they can run on timeand that money ends up in the hands of the good, hardworking, honest people instead of narcissistic smug disgusting amoral freaks who spend it all on funko pops, vasectomies and vinyl albums of the shittiest fucking music you can imagine
>>750168703Bioware was taken over by EA in 2007, Dragon Age Inquisition came out in 2014 and sold a whooping 12m copies completely crushing EAs expectations which is why BioWare was given so much money for future projects.Stop blaming EA with no nuance but "big corpo = bad" because everything was FINE when BioWare was still making games people bought and enjoyed. They destroyed any good will with both the fanbase and their parent company with their last 3 games. Its that simple
>>750165165The media told them it's okay to hate this specific group of Muslims, that is exactly the same as all the rest, because of reasons. Probably because some of them are rich, so that means all of them are and they don't get the downtrodden PoC buff to acceptability to cancel out the natural Muslim misogyny debuff to it.
>>750169657>no it means you spend 100s of millions of dollars on the trains so they can run on timeMussolini's Empire was dismantled by ten British people and two camels. They couldn't get their guns to fire out of the right hole, let alone make the trains run on time. >and that money ends up in the hands of the good, hardworking, honest peopleLeftists developers, yes.>narcissistic smug disgusting amoral freaks who spend it all on funko pops, vasectomies and vinyl albums of the shittiest fucking music you can imagineThe Trump family, yes.
>>750169429>art>BioWare since 2014Shits offensive to the word art nigga, get the fuck outta here
>>750169664>because everything was FINE when BioWare was still making games people bought and enjoyedLike fucking Inquistion, Mass Effect 3, and Dragon Age 2.
>>750169758>>and that money ends up in the hands of the good, hardworking, honest people>Leftists developers, yes.oh so you are actually just ragebaiting, ok fine.>disgusting amoral freaks who spend it all on funko pops, vasectomies and vinyl albums of the shittiest fucking music you can imagine>The Trump family, yes.I gotta say, the image of the zion don listening to stompstompclap while lovingly looking at a Captain Amerikkka funkopop does put a smile on my face. Thank you for that.but do burn yourself alive, please, and livestream it - I'd love to watch you fill your lungs with fire and sizzle as you die you trannoid, I love these videos. Such a pretty view.
>>750169758Yes. Jared Kushner personally shut down BioWare for the gay bro. True and real.
>>750169595Ifln you antidepressant muddied brain I know you believe that's true, but reality is different. There was an 80% dropoff in viewership from episodes 1&2 to the final episode of season 1; and silence for season 2. As for me, people love me cause I'm not a faggot. Yes I am a hit at parties.
>>750155670Is "opportunity cost" the new buzzword rettidards are using to try to seem intelligent? I've been seeing a lot of anons using that phrase and it seems none of you knows what it means or how to use it in a context that means anything. There is an opportunity cost associated with every decision good or bad, success or failure.
Some retards were blaming trump for why Bioware will never release the Mass effect game that was announced It was nearly announced officially almost 7 years ago...under Biden. They had SEVEN years to show something. Literally anything and we got nothing. Is there any wonder why the sandniggers at EA were all "What the fuck are we paying these retards for?"
>>750155384Revenue doesn't equal profit. You've got to take into account distributor and retailer cuts, manufacturing/transport/storage for physical copies, server maintenance for online games, post-launch support, all sorts of shit.If someone walks into a store and buys a game for $60, the retailer doesn't just hand 100% of that money back to the devs.
>>750153870Fifa makes billions of dollars per year so they keep siphonin that money away to other shit
>>750170297If this new trailer we saw today is actually real then good riddance they shut that shit down because my god lmao
>Any other company sells shitty products and loses money, they shut down >Leftists:......>Game devs sell shitty products that lose money, they shut down >Leftists: NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THIS YOU MONSTERS I can't be the only one noticing this shit right
>>750153713>online niggers blame EA and Saudis and capitalism I don't know where you're seeing this? Probably commiesky or a similar platformEveryone else know Bioware made slop for more than a decade
>>750153713I kinda blame EA for wanting them to make such slop in the first place, they're far from the first company studio has run into the ground.
>>750154393Bethesda is being set to get an axe dropped on their neck in the next 5 years
>>750170442Trannies overwhelmingly work in the gaming industry, if not all of them. 90% of blue collar industries are devoid of trannies which is why when big corpos fire 1000 blue collar workers trannies celebrate because the chuds who work construction got owned.Layoffs in the gaming industry affect them directly thus the chimping out
>>750170725If the next ES flops like Veilguard for example then its ggs for them too.
>>750170725all depends on the next elder scrolls really, i cant see them living long if it flops after the gigantic fiasco that was starfield
>>750164720They get chuds all depressed and angry about everything with shit ass gaems, so they refuse to work and breed, so blackrock gets to buy all the properties those chuds would be using to raise their families in and instead they get to perma rent from (((blackrock))).
>>750153713>online niggers blame EA and Saudis and capitalism because the company spent over 500M dollars in three games in the last 10+ years that couldnt even break even let alone profitAnd according to Kotaku lolcow Alyssa Mercante, GamerGate is also to blame.
Leftists will never understand that they are the problem. They have been successfully brainwashed.
>>750170725Like rockstar, they bet everything on a single mainline game that takes over a decade to make. They are literally at one flop away from collapsing.
>>750171078the real estate fund is blackstone (no relation), anoneasy mistake to make
>>750169164>Get rid of Russia>Get rid of the people keeping piracy aliveFuck off faggot, go suck a dick in GTA.
>>750153870USAID.
>>750153713Why were they so reckless with Veilguard? They didn't know they were on thin ice after 2 previous flops? They should've played it safe and toned down the messaging to DA2 levels at most.
>>750170023>oh so you are actually just ragebaiting, Im factual. I don't like a lot of modern bioware stuff, but they are still objectively more hardworking than everybody involved with the Trump clan.>>750170120 Private equity and Trump are the same mental illness with a different name.
>>750171376It was basically their LAST chance and they blew it harder than Andromeda and Anthem. I am not particularly as giddy or happy about these news as others here are but its hard to defend Bioware after that Veilguard shitshow.
>>750171182Is it even "woke" to say that everything after ME2 was shit? Yeah the games are the most pozzed shit ever but outside of that the actual GAME is shit too. Even if you are woke you should be able to acknowledge that Bioware closing is a good thing. Like what great loss exactly was Bioware? They haven't made a good game in 15+ years!
>>750171412The Saudi crown Prince immediately saw the gay in BioWare and shut it down. Really sad bro.
>>750171504ME2 was the beginning of the end for Bioware. That was when they turned Mass Effect into space Gears of War and it ruined EVERYTHINGThen 3 came along and bioware tried to gaslight everyone into not thinking the ending was dogshit.
>>750169429>videogames>artKing faggot over here
>>750171376They thought they were on the right side of history, simple as that. The game was just complete shit so not even their target audience could actually recommend it to their peers. If a game is actually good it can survive a little pozz, but it was a pozz overload on top of a turd.
>read thread>"Bioware wasn't woke">"Woke means wanting Good Things">"Anyone who doesn't like Bioware is pushing culture war nonsense"What's with the cope?
>>750171504Hades games are giga pozzed shitshows with dialogue straight out of LA but the game is good, so I can easily ignore the dogshit story and do my runs because the gameplay is really fun. Same with Baldurs Gate, I can easily choose not to interact with the pozzed aspects of the game since the game overall is still great.Theres nothing good about BioWare games, the pozzed shit is just the cherry on top of a pile of shit
>>750171645I saw a clip of the combat and it looked pretty cool. Seems like yet ANOTHER thing ruined by fucking millennial writers and the directors that eat their shit up
>>750171662This is the first big woke studio to go down. They are all scrambling to explain why it wasn't actually because of wokeness (it was).
>>750171621I'm a filthy casual, I'll admit it. ME2 did dumb the game down and make it have shooting mechanics more in line with other TPS at the time, but a lot of it was good. The story in particular was very memorable and the way they handled companions felt really high quality for the time.
>>750153713>>Andromeda cost 100m dollars to make>>it sold only 6m copies in its entire lifetimeAt $60 a copy should that mean it made 360 million dollars then?
>>750171504>Even if you are woke you should be able to acknowledge that Bioware closing is a good thing.I'd rather ACK myself instead of being a woke leftist.
>>750171782>thread is about economic illiteracy>incoming fag who knows how to multiply numbers
>>750171662You have to understand Bioware was one of the first big woke game companies. They can't admit that bioware died because of them making shit nobody wanted to buy so they cope by saying you're just a /pol/fag (even though people have telling Bioware to stop fucking up for over a decade)
>>750171710I'm in some pretty left leaning circles and basically no one in them has ever said the game was any sort of good. You can always pirate it and take one for the team to inform us about it's actual quality. I actually play some incredibly woke games for fun, but I've no interest in Veilguard, that sort of stuff actually has a very niche audience so it has little place in big budget games.
>>750171182Veilguard had no live service elements. If anything it was one of the more self contained things EA made. I can't recall external timers, there were no multiplayer features, the game was never anything other than a singleplayer trashbin.
>>750154901retard>>750164720They are the money, they don't care about making profit. They care about pic related: >>750165685i.e. creating culture
I have to say that Veilguard was one of the few games that I truly do believe failed because of wokeness. Like it's so comically bad in that game it turned off tons of normalfags.
>>750171956>They are the money, they don't care about making profit. Blackrock is a hedge fund, not a liquidity provider. You are confused.
>>750171330I pirate for the love of itI love denying videogame devs and publishers of moneyI love announcing my pirate ways and make people madNo launchers, no telemetry, no logins
>>750171662Most dedicated unpaid shillHis checks bounced but he's still at it
>>750171921The final product didn't, I think it was Schrier who eulogized the dev history of the game and said they had to throw out everything at one point and make it a live service game at the behest of EA, only for EA to turn around and tell them to strip out all the live service elements a few months before launch.
>>750172090Yar har fiddle-dee-dee motherfucker
Veilguard had no microtransactions, no battle passes, no live service monetization. It was a pure AAA single player game.This is ALL on BioWare. They flopped themselves and EA put them out of misery.
>>750155515Gamers rewarding Andromeda with 5 millions copies sold is fucking disgusting.
>>750153713>>Andromeda cost 100m dollars to make>>it sold only 6m copies in its entire lifetimethat's 300+ million dollars, 3x the budget>>Anthen cost 100-150M to make>>sold a lifetime of just 5m copiesthat's 250+ million dollars, 2x the budget>>Dragon Age Veilguard cost 150-250M dollars to make>>sold only 1.5m total copiesthis one flopped, probably 100 million loss. The other 2 were successful though.
>>750172292I pirated it and then deleted it
>>750172193Well whatever live service there was, stripping it out didn't leave many obvious hanging wires. Shit was exactly as bland and boring from the first second to the last one, but it was relatively polished.
>>750172292Half or more of those are when the game cost like 10$ or some shit, dont be fooled by total sales numbers. Fuck it. They count bundles that come with playstation purchases as "game sales". Look at fallout 76
>>750167478every time i see this it makes me so fucking depressed
>>750172424Thats not how any of this works. Games sold dont come 100% back to the developers mate.Also the only one who broke even was Andromeda at 100M revenue in 2025.
>>750172070>le terminology They _manage_ $15.5 trillion. What do you think "manage" means. They direct the money given to them to the causes they deem suitable.
>>750167376>Ali-Agood morning!
>>750172424>sales tax>marketplace tax (steam's cut)>corporation tax>other fees>remember marketing cost money too
>>750171991What I find particularly wild is that the writing itself is just piss poor all the way through, particularly in the woke stuff (i.e. shoving the word "Non-binary" in the middle of this fantasy world. ESPECIALLY when they made up a word in Inquisition for that specific type of person before), but also plaguing the entire script.Marvel-esque quips constantly, lots of "and then" storytelling that makes you feel incredibly uninvolved with the grander plot, and pages and pages of just shitting on the established lore and history of the previous games in the series that not even Inquisition dared to sully as much.The more you see and experience the game, the more you can tell this was made by a team that absolutely hated the world it was set it and wanted to just rip it all apart for whatever they liked. And even normalfags can slowly understand when that happens.
>>750153713why are people so f*cking mean? she's a person too
>>750172424Yea, this isn't mathing for me either and bizare it took 266 comments till someone who went to college to say anything.We really are poltards/browns/bots.
>>750172424Lifetimes sales are not tabulated at launch price.
>>750172570managing money means using that money to make more money, anon.If they make no profits better than just buying the index, people will take their money back and then blackrock has no more money.Blackrock doesn't just need to make money, they need to make well over a trillion dollars annually. That's a lot of money.So I'll ask again, how is helping Bioware make a video game that doesn't sell (and even if it does, it will never even come close to a billion) helping them make trillions of dollars?
>>750155515What do you think Legacy means?
>>750171182Your fucking game sold less that Yoshi's Crafted World. What the fuck are you bitching about executives.
>>750173032So we have incomplete data and OPs entire post is trash?
>>750172897>anti-wokes don't play gamesI'd say the left steals its memes but they are why normal people don't play Bioware's games.
>>750169164Russia can stay. I've been playing FPS games with them for decades now.
>>750172938>poltards>>750173620Mentioning the price comes down during sales, and then regional price differences, only makes OP's post stronger
>>750153870The taxpayer
>>750168401I just learned that the canadian goverment funded the gay hockey tv show. Us conquering them and thanosing their population would be a favor.
>>750173885>the incomplete data just makes OPs post strongerWe really are poltards/browns/bots.
>>750153713Economic terrorism will NOT be tolerated.
>>750153870Der goy
>>750174004You cant have your Canada till you finish your Iran champ.
>>750153713>communists are economically illiteratewater is also wet
>>750153870TOR was profitable for a long time. Taking TOR away from Bioware was when you know EA was preparing to close down the studio.
>>750153870Blackstone, Blackrock and Vanguard.
>>750155964tranny daycare and DEI blackmail fees most likely.
>>750174194Turns out the TORtanic never sank after all, but Bioware did LOL
>>750174038Your broken record is more botlike than anyone else here
bioware has only ever made ONE good gameand they immediately butchered it afterwards
>>750153713It´s their own fault. The criticism were to nudge them on the right direction but did they listen? No, they doubled down and called anyone criticizing them names antagonizing their whole former fanbase. Even now they refuse to be hold accountable. Most (former) fans gave up on them and let them go a long time ago.
Didn't EA gut the Dragon Age series with DA2 by trying to make it in to an action game to try to appeal to the normies? Then they also made ME2 less RPG and more cover shooter slop?How is it not the corpos fault? What about all the other studios they killed like Maxis, Pandemic, Westwood, Citerion, etc etc they have a history of doing this retarded shit and you fuckers are trying to gaslight me in to thinking otherwise? Fuck off bootlicking retard.
>>750174698Oh yeah, EA definitely didn't help. But the most egregious things in most of their ME3 and on games weren't the clearly shoehorned fucking time gate mechanics designed by invalids. The writing was terrible, the gameplay design was terrible, the core of the games were just not there. EA made each and every game worse, but Bioware made them bad to begin with.
>>750174698>How is it not the corpos fault?Those games sold, didn't they?Maybe corporate should have told Bioware to hold back on the genders.
>>750174698EA wasn't helping but a lot of Bioware's later mishaps was all them. Hell Anthem was pretty much their idea. All they did was pitch it to EA.
I thought Anthem was F2P.
>>750153870Government funding. People try to pretend they were ever profitable but the truth is that Canada, France, and the UK were funding them art grants. Also, they paid no taxes to the US government due to finding ways to write off every major failure from "economic terrorism" to "covid irregularities". When you see a ton of articles come out that say shit like that, it's because they're prepping a defense to cite to governments on why they need more money but also need to pay less money.
>>750172897Again using the word grifter and not knowing what it means
>>750157436>says a 19-year-old woman at a café in Riyadh who asked that her name not be used so she could speak freely. lol such a bullshit country. hope ansar allah wins
>>750164135Closing a garbage video game studio is fascism
>>750153713It also comes back to chasing hyper realism in games instead of using good artstyles, just sticking more and more details on things so people will look at the graphics and not notice that your underlying gameplay is fucking garbage. I won't miss Bioware because i hated everything they did after Baldurs Gate 2.I piss on their corpse.
>>750153713>Andromeda cost 100m dollars to make>it sold only 6m copies in its entire lifetime>Anthen cost 100-150M to make>sold a lifetime of just 5m copiesAt like 40 bucks a pop, isn't this still a nice profit even after taxes and publisher overhead?
>>750153713>believes Bioware had creative freedom>has not read the development hell EA put the studios through>drools
>>750153713No fucking way Andromeda sold 6 million. It would have been a mild commercial success even if it cost 100 million. 3 million max makes more sense since it flopped so hard they canned the very obvious DLC they were planning for it.
>>750181782>defending retarded troons intentionally making garbage to btfo the chudsyou resetera fags aren't subtle
