Honestly don't get why this is even a discussion, 90% of JRPGs are less complex than shit like Skyrim, I'm convinced people who prefer JRPGs don't like videogames and just masturbate to the characters
>>750160925i feel japanese ''TTRPG's'' are the greatest japanese rpg genre. they had everything the ultima-esque JRPG's lacked. Also ARPG's based with street fighter mechanics are also fine
meanwhile slavic RPGs
>>750161142DRPGs are the ones with the most depthalso pokemon oddly enough for being PVP designed
>>750160925>JRPG = nigger ass
>>750161295>wordswordswordsshould've put more effort into the combat game design
>>750161474>I'm a low IQ troglodytesuper amazing flex
>>750160925i'll take 10 hours of jrpg random battle slop over 10 hours of the writer waxing philosophical through their in-game mouthpiece any day.
>>750161556underrail is a low iq game, play something with more than 1 character and more complex combat
Dungeon crawlers and trpgs from japan are great and where they usually shine. Regular ff style jrpgs are hard carried by visuals and audio and the gameplay is mostly shit. Modern western rpgs are all complete garbage like Skyrim. Braindead games for retards
>>750160925>I better make sure my inventory is appropriate>MorrowindWhat, Sujamma in case you get too greedy and carry too much? You're not going anywhere without the usual teleport spells too. You quite literally don't need to consider anything later on since even Corprus becomes a non issue.
>>750161675>le character extravaganzacrap for modern audience >more complex combatyou got filtered by it and dropped at depot A
>>750161657JRPG's are also shock full of political ideology. but since we dont know japanese and they are written for ''children'' everything goes over our head
>>750161829Yeah you're pretty much a God in morrowind and even so you can flee from any battle if you ever somehow are losing
>>750161784Like it or not there's not a single JRPG with as much freedom to roleplay like skyrim
>>750160925>words words words words words words wordsthe meme captures why JRPGs are better very well
>>750161927What roleplay? Your character is a master of all trades dragon killer no matter what you do. The only real choices you have are who you pick for the war and whether you steal/murder relentlessly or just moderately
>>750160925>WRPG>DEPRESSION!!!! MAYBE THE HUMANS ARE BAAAAD!!! GLOOM AND DOOM PORN!!!>JRPG (mainstream, not rpg maker faggotry)>Check out these cool spells and companions>Hot bitches EVERYWHERE>"There's no way we'd let despair win over the indominable human spirit!"Every westoid game studio will die in my lifetime and I'm so happy
>>750160925>its like i really have a social lifehaha now thats every rpg
>>750162087>Every westoid game studio will die in my lifetime and I'm so happyNot happening, sorry, also YWNBJ (you will never be japanese)
>>750162032You see you can stay your whole playthrough in one single village chopping wood pretending to be Steve the lumberjack instead of actually playing the game as intended.I love TES but roleplayers are retards
>>750162205You mean Bioware crap and Persona crap, the rest aren't like that
>>750160925There's a difference between JRPGs and weebslop.
>>750160925somebody post the full res version of bottom pic please I need it quick.
>>750160925I like both. JRPGs are comfy and I don't need more of a reason than that.
>>750162438>diet evangelion>a glorified visual novel with no gameplayI agree but why are you posting weebslop?
My biggest issue with the Asian stuff, aside from the on rails nature, is that I hate their designs.It's always some anime woman with a generic body and a retarded huge weapon that just looks silly and that only a 11 year old would find cool, or some schoolgirl showing off her panties for the millionth time.Western design language has been ass for a while, but at least it's not a one trick pony.
>>750162087>
>>750162447This is the only one I have, dunno if there's a higher res version.
>>750162563So you want a purple tranny?
>>750160925WRPG have pretty shitass enemies and "bosses" if you even can call anything a boss on these.Dagoth ur is the best final boss the US came with and it's just a dude.
>>750162492NO! Stormcloak or Law?
>>750160925Majority of JRPGs will never be real RPGs (roleplaying games) and that's just a fact. If you can't chose what type of person your character is and your decisions have no real impact, it's not an RPG Even Ultima back then understood this. There are very few true japanese RPGs
>>750162263>Not happeningSure thing. What was the biggest JRPG in the last few years? Oh and what studio was it? Oh and how is that studio doing?>YWNBJI like having sex, that won't be a problem.
>>750160925yeah I don't get it. JRPGs probably kick ass when you're 11 but they just do nothing for me now. There's no freedom, you can't mess around with anything, nothing dynamic can ever happen.
>>750162438This game is a complete disaster on every gameplay level. Even the text boxes shit the bed with a barely legible font, no skip and the slowest god damn text crawl on the planet. Just basic bitch lazy remaster would do wonders for this game
>>750162617kill yourself, you stupid nigger retard obesum
>>750162631>Dagoth ur is the best final bossGrim. He's literally a joke when you fight him and does nothing but taunt you until he starts begging you to stop.
>>750162640>Ultima >be the goody two shoes avatar or never progress the gameWow such roleplaying, smt2 has more role-playing than that
>>750162575>no spade tattooTrash
Bethesda+japkino is all i need, you can keep the rest
>>750162563>>750162654>11Strangely specific
>>750160925jrpgs are just movie games that were invented before movie games. people play them because they dont want gameplay or rpg mechanics. they want to read a visual novel that also has a number going up.
>>750162767A Bethesda like game with Japanese game aesthetics would be the best rpg ever
>>750160925What is so complex about Skyrim?
>>750162834its the first one i played
I really despise weebs
>>750162938do something about it pussy ass nigga
>>750162726Being able to reject your heroic quest and even slaughter everyone is RPG freedom, you mega-retard
>>750162938zoom zoom detected
>>750162834It's complex in roleplaying matters since you can go to any place, kill anyone, choose to ignore the main quest and still have something to play, choose how to act and so on and so forth.
>>750162790Believe it or not Squaresoft isn't the only company on the planet that has made a JRPG
>>750162938>I know, I'll go to the weeb website!
>>750161784>Dungeon crawlers and trpgsAre you talking about that wizardry japanese exclusive game it was popular enough to get some threads
>>750162575nice thanks
>>750163110its just sharteens getting uppity since the php shit, ive seen this same thread three times today
>>750163284To be fair, you can't kill major NPCs in Skyrim
What is it about JRPGs that completely mindbreaks people like OP? You don't see JRPG fans shit up the board with anti WRPG threads constantly.
>>750163494because they suck and idiots pretend theyre good because they can jack off to them
>>750163494Because they pose as RPGs when most of them aren't
>>750163494they are simply jealous that JRPGs actually has characters and stories people care about
>>750163494see>>750163427
>>750163665Let's not act like weebs care about jrpg characters for their writing, lolSex appeal is the highest factor here
>>750163665Not a single JRPG more relevant than the Witcher or Skyrim
>>750163494WRPGfags are one of the most snobbiest """fanbases""" there is to the point that infighting is always happening. Then you have an entire genre of games that calls itself "RPGs" and it mindbreaks those people.
People who think CRPGs are examples of good writing are the same people who think fashion is for women, lord of the rings is peak cinema, beards are manly, contemporary art is bullshit, are huge consoomers, repel women, are agitated yet still overweight, can't cook, can't dance, watch capeshit, are plotfags, ascribe to so bad it's good ironic detachment, etc.
>>750160925The western AAA industry is crashing now and youre posting this? How little self awareness do you have?
>>750160925Me on the bottom.
>>750163829>Fashion for men>Beards aren't manly You're a faggot>>750163842>EVERYTHING IS CRASHINGnot happening retard
>>750163494because they are called rpgs but have less rpg mechanics than a call of duty game.
>>750163829But JRPGs have good writing? You can't be serious. Anyone who is actually into literature WILL tell you JRPG writing is a joke
>>750164101>muh literatureno one gives a shit
>>750164101anyone who is actually into literature will tell you not a single game has good writing
>>750164101anyone who is actually into literature will tell you that good writing has never been achieved
>>750160925
>>750160925do western rpgs like the one in the image are still being made?
>>750164247>blocks your path
>>750164143Being illiterate isn't something to brag about
Codexfags please go and stay go
>>750164271>Skyrim>Just like out of a Tolkien NovelHe just turned in his grave
>>750164101>Anyone who is actually into literature WILL tell you JRPG writing is a jokeAre they using the English localization or the original Japanese script? Because the former isn't even the same game most of the time.
>>750164181Not sure about that.. Disco gets a lot of glaze from bookfags
>>750164101name 10 books
>>750164419Well usually the great change in script is the english version has rather less marrying 11 year olds
>>750164101>But JRPGs have good writing?only people who think this are those who have low enough standards to play a jrpg for the story in the first place
>>750160925>>750161556WRPGs be like:>look dude, you can create your troon, walk anywhere and have 30000 pointless choices!!! also we have a lot of ugly characters!Just play a sandbox at this point, braindead nigger cattle
>>750164330Maybe good literature for pedos. I'm not into books that provide a moral and legal means to raping toddlers.
>>750164330>they're the chosen ones because...>they just are okay!Shit writing.
People say games like nu God of War are movie games but they never turn that same sentiment towards games like Persona 3-5 which are ABSOLUTELY movie games. Granted they don't spoil puzzles and stuff like the Sony movie games do, but they're still more story than rpg gameplay.
>>750164534Now with ai chatbots I don't see much point in wrpgs that are just saying [THING] to see npc react with [FUNNY REPLY TO THING]
>>750164534>I WANT LESS FREEDOM AND OPTIONS and we're supposed to be the cattle
>>750160925I know this is a shitpost thread, but Skyrim had the writing of a middle school fanfic. Even bottom of the barrel Atelier games have more complex writing.
>>750164512Wish your bait were true, because that would make JRPGs really good, but it's just something you're copying from a Xitter post
>>750164586P4G has a super ultra fast forward button if for some reason you want to skip the mediocre 150 hour anime and get back into the video game. God of Snore doesn't let you fast forward the walk and talk
>>750164643You are just sexless eunuchs. Seeing attractive women in a game repels you like a coffin dodger from a cross.
>>750160925JRPGs differ from western rpg by have more complex gameplay mechanics systems that are more numerical than western rpgs story.
>>750163994>>EVERYTHING IS CRASHING>not happening retardYoure right because everything isnt crashing. The Western AAA industry is.Sorry about your reading comprehension retard. Try to be a little less mad next time.
>>750164774what gameplay
>>750164534Unironically, sandbox games are truer RPGs than games that are considered RPGs
>>750161556>>750161295underrail is boring as shit
>>750164774Eh, depends.
>>750160925woah can't wait to play another game with bards, elves and goblinscan't wait to obsess over stats like i'm working through an excel spreadsheetcan't wait to just skip any dialogue because the story is just getting in the way of my sword-swinging can't wait to do thousands of ubisoft-like fetch quests can't wait to get the same ending but slightly different from all the other 300 routesWRPGs are the best
>>750164534you have no idea what I'm talking about, midwit
>>750164749Sometimes I get the urge to download sexy mods and stuff and then I boot up the game, see the sex, think for myself "cool", and then it gets boring afterwards because if I want to masturbate I'd watch porn, I want to have fun playing games not play with my dick, you're a loser and a failure.
This is the actual problem with jrpgs compared to wrpgs, none of the play pretend gay shit no one actually cares about
>>750164774What western RPG has less complicated gameplay than Phantasy Star 4?
>>750164832'cuz you're a subhuman troglodyte
Every jarpig thread on the log is there solely to coompost, discuss romance routes, and image dump.
>>750164909>200 hoursCompletely dishonest when 180 of that are just different selections of fetch quests with some minor "choices" you can do sometimes to make it seem that it's deep.>Yes, I killed that nigger.>(Lie) Yes, I killed that nigger.>Okay, here's your next assignment. Kill this retard.
>>750164850>can't wait to obsess over stats like i'm working through an excel spreadsheetuh yeah thats why you play RPGs. What did you want to do, jerk off to anime .pngs while garbage dialogue auto scrolls? They have VNs for that
>>750164909Is KH even considered an RPG? I'm pretty sure most people agree it's just an action game with level up
>>750164731But the whole point of personal 4 is the high school wish fulfillment visual novel for losers that didn't get any in irl high school. Same goes for persona 3 and 5
>>750165023>just an action game with level upthat's been every RPG since morrowind
>>750165004when was the last time you saw a skyrim thread that wasn't about coom mods? or a bg3 thread even
>>750164927Ultima Underworld II: Labyrinth of Worlds
>>750165004You're free to visit CRPG threads and their endless talk of cucking.
>>750164643>Hey dude, instead of progressing the story or doing a funny side quest, you can ROB the guy, go to jail, and jerk off for 30 minutes while waiting to get out, hahaha! We put a lot of work into these paths, so we hope you like them ;)))I'm glad WPRGfags are going extinct.
>>750165010I'm talking about 1 single savefile so dialogue variants are irrelevant >>750165023If you level up and it matters for the combat it is a rpg, it doesn't matter if there is no dialogue choice to say you're non binary
>>750164495Lord of the RingsHarry PotterCat in the HatVery Hungry CaterpillarThe cheat books for PS2 gamesMinecraft Joke BookThe chinese takeout menu I haveFFX2.5The BibleBible Black
>>750165034name a single RPG that isn't a wish fulfillment power fantasy
>>750160925>mfw i like both
Roleplaying is one of the most retarded things ever made by mankind
>>750165110There's no way you're comparing one of the first imsims to fucking Phantasy Star 4 in gameplay complexity lmao
>>750165214>mainstream normie shitPerformative as fuck
lot of dispatch enthusiasts itt
>>750163494Something something anime tropes
>>750165162>If you level up and it matters for the combat it is a rpg, it doesn't matter if there is no dialogue choiceLearn what a roleplaying game is, retarded weeb. Combat isn't what makes something an RPG
>>750165231Killing monsters isn't the same kind of power fantasy as reliving high school but with the friends you never had.
Never ask a WRPG elitist what his steam library looks like
>>750162771this is called a coincidence my sweet little nigger anon. of a kid that these games are made for how many numbers do you think I had to choose from?
What are WRPGs good for besides being sandbox the sims simulators filled with cuckshit?
>People are now saying just having Level Up combat is enough to make a game an RPGThis whole thread has to be ragebait, man
>>750165162>If you level up and it matters for the combat it is a rpg,So Madden is an rpg?
>>750165308>w-weeb!My favorite rpg is morrowind you fat retarded grognard, no, playing pretend is the gayest cringes shit ever, go play with your cardboard and plastic dolls like a little girl while the men play RPG videogames focused on combat and making your character stronger, not gay cringe larp shit
>>750165154You forgot that you can answer "yes", "no" and even "yes (ironic)" and "no (angry)" to Feashaniqua the Propheticus Erendar and get a subquest where the reward is le sex (adult, brave and stunning)
>>750165506Didn't play it but sport rpgs do exists, if you level up kick and you kick the ball better then it's a rpg
>>750165259The Bible franchise is a true cult classic just because it got a high budget animation doesn't make it normieshit fuck off.
the only good western RPG is borderlands 2
>>750160925>WRPGYou have to listen about how I fucked 5000 guys and loved it and then encourage me to fuck 5000 more while we are in a relationship or this romance is over>JRPGA kiss?! I-i've never done that...but if it's you...>Wait why do people only like JRPGS?!
>>750165527The entirety of RPGs were founded on "playing pretend with cardboard", but go on pretending you know shit about what makes something an RPG or not, Weeb.
>>750165632The live action movie that got all the jews mad was even better
>>750162737kys
all rpgs are shit games that get by on vibes and "but think of the possibilities though." the difference is that jrpg fans are honest about the fact that their games suck. everyone including jrpg fans knows that the gameplay in idea fuck and falcum games is barely passable at best and everyone only puts up with it because they're in for the characters and story. wrpg fans on the other hand will tell you with a straight face that planescape has good gameplay because "the real gameplay is reading the dialogue" and when you point out that the play pretend mechanics they are so concerned about never actually accomplish what they claim they do they will just cope with "well at least the game is trying."
>>750165694sounds like you're playing ntr eroge, not RPGs
>>750165716You're just mad that Japs made your shit genre better by removing the pointless gay shit.
>>750165023>Is KH even considered an RPGno jrpg is considered one
>>750165772>the difference is that jrpg fans are honest about the fact that their games suckbullshit theyre insanely defensive
>>750165716Yeah and it was gay as fuck until Nippon masters folded it 1000 gorillon times into kino.
>>750165716Sure sure if you want to play with dolls you can go to /tg/ but rpgs VIDEOGAMES are about making your character stronger, over the course of the game, not what retarded thing you can say to the dungeon master so you can pretend to be smart
WRPGs are just bad attempts at replicating the tabletop experience, JRPGs are at least video games.
>>750165865Exactly, though not all wrpgs are play pretend crap for women, you have TES and Wizardry too. Now those are the real wrpgs
>>750165823only when it comes to wrpgfags trying to smear shit at them. if you actually look at jrpg threads by themselves you will see people complaining about the shit gameplay, like how many times that one factory level is reused in neptunia.
>>750165865>JRPGs are at least video games.By having less gameplay than any given wrpg?
name 5 good jrpgs that came out in the 21st century
Cope. JRPGs will never be real RPGs, end of story.
>>750162563>It's always some anime woman with a generic bodytrannies can't help but out themselves its like a fetish for them
>>750165772People play JRPGs for the gameplay autism of seeing numbers go up without things getting too complex. Cute girls and aesthetics are a plus, but If they wanted a story, they would just read a visual novel or something.
>>750165987Picking yes (ironic) is not gameplay
>>750165865>hour 14 in the 32 hour long cutscene that is FF##Wow this gameplay is INCREDIBLE.
>>750164271>makes both sides look goodrare based moment from quentin
I only play text only cyoa with stats now and I've never been happier.
>>750160925And 90% of crpgs are complex with a lot of mechanics, but they have absolutely nothing else going for them at all. Might as well just roll a bunch of dice on the table, since the result is the same as playing them.The problem is the two strengths of both genres, don't come together nearly as much as they should.
>>750166065picking "attack" is not gameplay
>>750166064>People play JRPGs for the gameplay autism of seeing numbers go up without things getting too complex. Anyone with high test would play wrpgs for the same reason, and mod in cute girls to replace the western slop ugly women
>western rpg>it's nostalgia over shit from 25 years ago
>>750166009Rance 6Sengoku RanceRance QuestRance IX Rance X
>japanese rpg>it's 1000 year old dragon lolis and calenders
>>750166194>you play it>it's not that good>they call you nigger anyway since you didn't play the more broken original version and you didn't need to go through more dialogue boxes to talk to people
>>750166153Choosing between "attack" (does 50 damage) and "heavy attack" (does 75 damage and cost 5 mp) has more impact on gameplay than choosing "yes" or "yes (ironic)" which both led to the same result
>>750162737guess tabletop RPGs are not real games then
>>750166276Fire emblem doesn't has calenders Persona doesn't has dragon lolisYou got them mixed up
>>750166371This is why WRPGS fail, you can't pick what kind of attack you want to do.
>>750166153neither is casting 40 buff spells and then letting auto attack clear the fight with no additional input
>>750166245Holy based
>>750166371Why are you acting like Fallout 4 represents WRPG writing lol. Put more effort if you're gonna troll
>>7501664263H has calendars howeverthobeit o algo
>>750166245looks like shit, thanks
>>750166492Literally all wrpgs are like that though, doesn't matter if you're good or bad in 99% it matters jack shit and you're always fighting the same final boss. Doesn't matter how much of a saint or murder hobo you were
>>750166065Watching anime highschoolers talk for an hour straight is not gameplay either
>>750166454But enough about Pathfinder
>>750166454Wrong, bucko. This is what peak gaming looks like.
>>750166615Why yes I love real jrpgs and hate personaAlso I love real wrpgs and hate bioware shitThey are exactly the same, friend simulators for losers with no real friends
>>750166580Ok, now you're just lying
>>750166703you're a total outlier. based thoughever
>>750166615>Watching anime highschoolers talk for an hour straight is not gameplay eitherAnon almost every AAA game does this shitthis is not exclusive to only JRPG games.
>>750166674>WRPGs let you trivialize gameplay by going overkillSo not too different from JRPGs
why are WPRGtards so fucking midwit and insecure
When people complain about WRPG they complain about how they could be more complex than they are, like "oh you have choices but they don't change everything while people who complain about JRPGs talk about how shit and shallow they are, guess what? You can't spend a trillion dollars on a videogame and that's why WRPGs options aren't super complex, meanwhile JRPGs have shitty graphics shitty gameplay and like 3 voice actors and still have no complexity and freedom of choice
Crusaders of the Dark Savant with an imported party is peak RPG. Nothing will ever top it.
>>750166834>>750166674Are we pretending now that being alchemy doped in morrowind or null all in smt not kino and fun as fuck?
>>750166940Stop projecting, Kirito-kun
>>750166967>muh complexity and freedom of choicenigger I don't care that I can have sex with lil thug troon 3 instead of killing him to get a reward
>>750166967jrpgs accept that they're low budget shit games and don't try to fluff you with bullshit. wrpgs only exist because wrpgfags will give a game +5 to the score out of 10 for "trying."
Looks bros, it's alright if you prefer hurr durr numbers go up gameplay, but don't pretend it has anything to do with the spirit of roleplaying, alright? Cheers.
>>750166371This restaurant has some really good gameplay.
RPG niggas play too little and read too much. Shit is unseemly as fuck.
>>750166454>jrpgs dont even have buff spellssmdh
>>750167198Numbers go up was the only good part of table top rpgs though, no one wants to hear some faggot go about how his gay elf backstory while he makes a shitty eld impression, they are just waiting for their turn, eventual loot and exp
>>750167198The spirit of roleplay has nothing to do with combat. If your RPG has an uninteresting narrative then it's not worth playing.
>>750167332You've never played tabletop with a group of friends before if that's what you think
>>750167250But that looks more like a wrpg character creation screen, not that I'm complaining if the skills are all viable for combat and not just for unlocking gay dialogue choices with npcs
>>750167163But that's what RPGs are about, you don't like roleplaying, just say you're a coomer piggy that goons to anime girls
>>750160925game name in top left?
>>750167470baldurs planescape underail pathfinder 9
>>750167420I did, videogames are better, hell ai bots would probably do a better job at being players in a table top too.
>>750167470Dragon Scrolls: Shadowrun
>>750167332Wrong. Numbers are the worst part, let the man rock his lumberjack class and use a wagon wheel as a shield.
>>750167470might and ultima: realms
>>750167470Ultima 4 for Sega Master System
>>750167408>The spirit of roleplay has nothing to do with combatThat is what I said, yes.
>>750167198wrpgtards love to talk about "roleplaying" but there isn't one wrpg where you can actually roleplay. half of them don't even let you pick a background, and the most ones that do don't mention it beyond your character sheet. even a minor character trait like "my character has a speech impediment and can't pronounce his r's" is impossible in any wrpg I've played or heard anyone talk about. all of the "roleplaying" in wrpgs literally amount to nothing more than picking "yes (lie)" from the menu and pretending in your head that your character is actually saying something else.
>>750167585Go play in a sandbox if you want to be retarded
>>750167470Planescape Odyssey: IF
>>750163494The fact that WRPGs are still more boring, despite trying so hard, is hilarious.
>>750167678ai could fix that but at that point why even play a game instead of just chatting with a bot?
Is there any JRPG like kingdom come deliverance? Kcd's developers researched medieval bohemia to make it accurate to reality including weapons, clothings, mannerisms and so on, I don't think so
>>750167420how many wrpgs can you play with friends? have you ever tried playing a tabletop rpg by yourself? I have and it's fucking lame.
>>750161906>beginning of game>can't hit a rat with a dagger after 100 swings>end game>jumping 500ft in the air and slaughtering all nocs on screen without even seeing your magicka moveThis is called proper progression
>>750160925What”s the point of this dogshit thread?
>>750167840>Kcd's developers researched medieval bohemia to make it accurate to reality including weapons, clothings, mannerisms and so onall that work to release a boring game
>>750167862>you can't hit the ra-A dagger is not a long swordThe green bar matters You just don't know how to play
>>750167840Yeah there was one that got released a while back featuring real battles done in medieval Japan which included a giant enemy crab.
>>750167840I'm so fucking sick of feudal Japan and feudal China, it feels like a fucking psyop with how many games have that as their setting in the past years
>>750167919Well I've played these games for like 500 hours so it certainly isn't boring to me
>WRPG>Humans are the real monster so enjoy this final battle against a dude>JRPG>Time to make yet another bigass monster that requires the player to use all the mechanics (unless he grinded like a retard), but this will have his own cool song and a shitload of different phases
>>750167935Nigger I just beat the game two days ago. I like the game!
>>750162563You don't play JRPGs. Nothing of this actually exists in mainstream games.
>>750167678>there isn't one wrpg where you can actually roleplayYou can roleplay in every single WRPG.>half of them don't even let you pick a backgroundBecause you're supposed to make up the background of your character yourself in your mind as you do in tabletop, you unironic moron. What, do you want your character to be a static nigger like Cloud Strife with a pre-defined backstory and morals where you can't decide a single factor of who he is? >all of the "roleplaying" in wrpgs literally amount to nothing more than picking "yes (lie)" from the menu and pretending in your head that your character is actually saying something elseDo you actually expect devs to write dialogue for every single possible interaction there could be for a scene? Really?
>>750168169>Do you actually expect devs to write dialogue for every single possible interaction there could be for a scene? Really?Yes.
>>750168105Yeah I remember how I made general autumn a pile of green goop with one shot in fallout 3 and was pretty confused that he was the final boss
>>750160925>wrpg: cringey self-insert shit where you end up not even playing a real character>jrpg: come along with our protagonists on their fleshed out actual story!
>>750168072Name 5 JRPGs set in feudal China
>>750168278Nigger they are both mute fucks
>>750164534If it doesn't have choices and consequences, it's by definition not an RPG
I like it when Japs make King Arthur in a futa waifu and I get to see numbers go up.
What did Nintendo mean by this
>>750161871>shock full
>>750168105Tbh I do think WRPGs could do well by having their bosses feel as important as JRPGs do.>Millenia old manipulator/all powerful mage/force of nature>Just beat them up with a stick and you're doneLike come on.
>>750168169ok so if my background that I picked is that I'm a pirate whose ship ran aground can I give my character a peg leg and an eyepatch? can I tell people to walk the plank? what the hell is the point of making roleplaying mechanics if you still have to pretend everything is happening? you might as well make up different stories for your jrpg party and imagine that they're different characters.
>>750168330but the choices are made during chargen and the consequences are seen in combatdialogue trees are not RPGs
>>750168330A visual novel has choices and consequences too, so I guess visual novels are rpgs? Fuck no, what makes a rpg are stats that progressively increase and make your character stronger, anything else? Irrelevant. Side content.
>>750161871yeah the racism allegory with anime cat/dog/bunny girls was real subtle, didn't notice it the first 5 games I saw it in
>>750168308>he can't pick up on the protag's characterizations if it doesn't have dialogueUnfortunate
>>750168508Nigggerrrr what characterization!? The whome point is that they are blank states for you to self insert, it's on purpose.
>>750168407>can I tell people to walk the plank? what the hell is the point of making roleplaying mechanics if you still have to pretend everything is happening?Are you retarded? Genuine question
>>750168454these guys would be better off playing telltale
>>750168454>Fuck no, what makes a rpg are stats that progressively increase and make your character stronger, anything else?linear number going up is not rpgrpg implies builds which means the way you progress through the game whether it be through fighting style, actions or dialogue will be different based on what your build is good or bad at. the quality of the rpg comes from how big a difference your build choices make to your progression style
>>750168598But enough about wrpgs
>>750160925I like western RPGs more but mostly cause thats just what I mainly grew up playing and I haven't really played much JRPGs
>>750168381>what? did you thought we would let YOU fight the cool giant boss? nah, just sit in your virtual cuckchair and watch the fun!
You guys just don't understand what roleplaying is, period
>>750167470The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
>>750168798The only way to have fun in Oblivion is to do some wacky build that avoids combat all together with magic and acrobatics.
>>750168829Which is why I don't consider Elden Ring an RPG
>>750164952nah you like it 'cuz you're a subhuman troglodyte
>>750161295Slavs are the only people that are still truly capable of making good RPGs
>>750168905You can roleplay in ER and your actions have consequences. You can kill almost everyone and become Satan by literally transforming the world into hell if you wish
>>750168905Fromsoft games are basically just action rpgs where the RPG is in the leveling and stat system
>>750168621are you? choosing between "yes" and "yes (sarcastic)" while you imagine in your head that your character is saying something completely different is no closer to roleplaying than "but thou must" in jrpgs.
>>750168917nah-ah, you don't like it because you play and enjoy crap like skyrim or starfield, hence a subhuman troglodyte>>750168982I wouldn't say only but we are close to that
>>750168632Having different combat skills to build your character differently is always welcome but it doesn't makes the rpg, you can have a fixed character that will always get +5 str on level 2 and the game will be a rpg, numbers go up, character can kill enemy they couldn't before, boom RPG.Now leveling up sneak or dialogue or say kick in a sport rpg or dance or whatever it's also rpg, anything that levels up and gives you new skills and better stats, LINEAR OR NOT is rpg.
>>750160925True
>>750168643I wasn't even pointing my fingers at jrpgs, wrpgs do that too, it's just so stupid to say, yeah the mute protagonists that's obviously made to self insert has an actual personality
>>750169210>you can have a fixed character that will always get +5 str on level 2 and the game will be a rpgthats as much of an rpg as call of duty. the system exists only to trick your brain and contributes nothing to the gameif you have no say in what you are improving, it is not an rpg
>>750160925kek, true. E33 mogged every JRPG in history
>>750169162nah-ah, you like it because you play and enjoy crap like skyrim or starfield, hence a subhuman troglodyte
>>750161295There is no meaningful distinction between Slavic RPGs and Western RPGs
>>750164909>>750165010>>750165023It's funny because the first few rpg didn't even have "le dialogue choice that changes EVERYTHING". They were just sandbox games with rpg numbers (Ultima, Wizardry). I hate how nu-faggots see a wrpg and say they aren't rpg ("ACKSHULLY IT'S AN ACTION GAME WITH RPG ELEMENTS CHUD") when "dialogue choices" wasn't something that the few first vidya rpgs even had. The whole dialogue options as a way to change the story was almost exclusively for text-based adventure games back then. >inb4: "but le hecking TTRPG did it chud!"don't care, not vidya
>>750169473>If it's convenient to disregard TTRPGs, i'll do itshut up faggot, you will never be a real RPG
>>750169372I played call of duty BO 3 and yes the campaign thing where you get new skills is RPG, can't talk about the rest of the series.>it tricks youNo, you have access to new skills because you leveled up the skill tree, how the fuck it is tricking you?>it contributes nothing to the gameYou are given resources to upgrade your character and see the progression through the game with new skills, how the fuck is that not rpg? Just because it's on a game called Call of Duty?
>>750169459Slavic RPGs are darker and feature more gray morality. Also they aren't woke, obviously.
>>750169589nta but TTRPGs were not about larp dialogue until WOD shit. dungeons and dragons was just that, combat encounters in dungeons 5e faggots who watch critical role are not RPG gamers
>>750169617>No, you have access to new skills because you leveled up the skill tree, how the fuck it is tricking you?because its exactly the same as the game just giving you new abilities when you arrive at the next stage, only now attached to a skinner box.>how the fuck is that not rpg?Because you are making no choices and therefore are not building a character.
>>750169459slavs always add тocкa to their games that makes them SOVLful and good
>>750164534>>750164749Have you considered that people are fine with fanservice in a vaccum but they don't want that to be the sole focus because some people actually care about roleplaying as a fictional character instead of self-iserting as a harem protagonist? Retard.
>>750169679They're still part of the same WRPG family, and the distinction is becoming even less meaningless since a lot of Slavic RPGs are also increasingly woke.
I'm playing p4g for the first time as a 30 year old and this is how I feel
>>750169589vidya rpg always where just an abstraction of what TTRPG is. Not, a 1:1 copy. So saying a rpg is not rpg because it doesn't have dialogue choices is disingenuous. I am not saying rpg can't have dialogue choices. I am saying that they don't need to have them to still be vidya RPGs.I like both JRPG and WRPG (probably wrpg a little more because they generally put a lot more care for the lore and obviously, freedom). But the amount of pretentious faggots you read on reddit telling you "hem- not ackshully rpg" when you name a game more action oriented than a wall of text like dysco trannysium or planescape
>>750169812>some people actually care about roleplaying as a fictional character instead of self-iserting as a harem protagonist?>some peopleonly troons and women*
>>750169852It’s showing you the light and cleansing you of the rot of lesser western games?
>>750169951>everyone who wants anything out of fiction other than the most basic things is le troon!So all the acclaimed writers of history were women and troons? Double retard.
>>750169852I just don't understand how having college-aged characters would make Persona any different other than making a few xitter users feel less guilty about jerking off to the characters.
>>750169459>>750169868This reminds me of when a slavic guy I know played Final Fantasy for the first time. His reaction was something like>why do people call this an RPG? you're not playing any role, it's all railroaded shit
>>750170001nah, I'm lusting after kanji
>>750170089It would make it stand-out as a rare college setting in an ocean of high school settings
>>750170126Based WRPG patriot
>>750164101Vidya writing in general sucks
>>750169785>because its exactly the same as the game just giving you new abilities when you arrive at the next stageWrong1: your exp is based on how you performed through the stage so its possible to level up or not level up at all, and you can grind replaying the stages so if it was like that you would end up with abilities you were never be intended to have.2: you can choose the ability so it's nothing like Samus getting missiles after the first boss in metroid, which is more like your example.>Because you are making no choices and therefore are not building a character.You're literally making a choice between 3 skill trees, from invisibility, to hacking and buffs, smoke, etc, played the game with a friend and we build up completely different characters. Sounds like you're just judging a game you never played.
>>750170126he's right, final fantasy has no rpg mechanics
>>750170429>you can choose the abilitythen you are agreeing with me
>>750163829But different groups of people think those things? Bearded soiboys are usually into fashion because they're on their way to becoming troons.
>>750170518Hey at least you can dress up and play the role of a woman in 7
>>750170573Yes, by your logic call of duty 3 has more role playing than Ultima 4 were you're stuck with one class in a linear path
>>750164426I mean, Disco is literally based on the main dev's book that he reworked into a game.
>>750164561But you're on an anime otaku website where half the threads on any given day are about having sex with lolis...
>>750170126if a game allows you to grind your ass off to become stronger than enemies your previously had a hard time against because of your ingame stats it is already an rpg
>>750170846Lol no
>>750164419This is somewhat true but the real redpill is that even if you play in Japanese you're not getting anything especially profound, they just replace stale Japanese cliches with stale Western cliches.
>>750170905not fooling anyone treehouse
>>750170648You havent played Ultima 4
>>750170952I'm not your boyfriend, schizo
>>750166834>>750166779>whataboutism
>>750171019No one under 55 has tbqh
>>750171071meant for >>750170996
>>750170996Yes I did, you do the morality test and you're stuck with the same class for the whole game and the battles are biggest slog ever unless you use ranged weapons or spells, I have never seen a game do physical fighters so dirty, oh and the level scaling, can't forget that
>>750171157Nice job skimming the gemini summary zoom zoom
>>750171442>i was wrong so muh aiHuh so this is going to be a thing from now on, because playing old games is so hard and totally not easy as fuck
>>750171563You didn't play the game and everyone knows it. Yes, this is going to be a thing.
>>750171638Yeah whatever lets you sleep at night nigger, waiting for the moon gates just to travel the world map was also retarded as fuck.
>>750164101Anyone who knows anything about literature without being 'into it' will tell you, correctly, that litfagging is a pretentious circlejerk and not necessarily indicative of actual quality.
>>750168454True
>>750171442Holy cope
>>750160925Asians and Japanese in particular are the polar opposite of Slavs. While Slavs are constantly melancholic and deep in thought, Japs do not understand subtlety and are very superficial. They genuinely cannot picture an apple. All they can create is a distorted version of reality rather than something new
>>750160925Baldur's Gate 1/2 are the best RPGs of all time so I have to agree
>>750170518>he's right, final fantasy has no rpg mechanicsSince final fantasy is not a real rpg then what game genre would you call it then ?
>>750172087>All they can create is a distorted version of reality rather than something newThe simulacrum people
>>750172607Depends on the entry
Dies irae convinced me that the Japanese are subhuman.
>>750172607visual novel, movie game, or bad action game
>>750160925That pic just proves that JRPGs are better
>>750162737Walk in front of a train Rajesh
Darksydephil is a "huge jRPG fan" but he doesnt understand what's going on in actual RPGs. Curious how jrpg fans tend to be neurodivergent, no?
>>750161927Roleplaying in JRPGs refers to the actual roles a character plays within the setting or within your party for 4 nighas in a rownot like imaginary LARPing you do in WRPGs
>>750173034You mean because of something in the story or because you hated it so much? Even if it's not to everyone's liking it's not really an outrageously bad kusoge I'd say.
>>750174894>you're not supposed to ACTUALLY roleplay in RPGS bro
>>750174894larp means live action roleplay. its just rp
>>750163810Story is literally the last thing people care about in Skyrim, hell arguable nobody cares about unmodded skyrim and for Witcher people only care about 3 and these days BG3 is more popular and famous
>>750163284There's a vampire hunter DLC where you're forced to help a vampire instead of killing it on the spot
>>750170518>FF1 is LITERALLY just a d&d adventure ported into a game>"final fantasy has no rpg mechanics"
>>750175303its not and it doesnt
>>750160925The japanese are a small minded people; they lack the Faustian spirit, verisimilitude, and systemic depth inherent in the European race and our vidya.
>>750164101>>750164271https://youtu.be/D7Sk-tHk1n4BTFO'd by one video
These threads never get old!
>>750175480Retard, there are literal d&d enemies there, also if FF is not a rpg neither is Wizardry
>>750175596You shouldn't speak about things you know nothing about.
>>750175596Wizardry is an RPG, it's even on the original box.
>>750172087>Japs do not understand subtlety and are very superficial.That's all asians, lol
>>750175580>just rewarded brown children going "nuh-uh" over and over>every single thread
>>750175706>no but you see my pure dungeon crawling game is a rpg and ff is not because uhhhhhYeah sure>>750175763FF1 too
If we're judging an RPG by how much roleplaying there is in it, then almost no video game is a true RPG as no true video game can fully replicate the roleplaying aspectIf you want to piss and shit whatever which country is the heckin TRUUUUU rpg maker, then you might as well grab some books, some dice, and start a sesh with friends
>>750172087it's weird because ive seen some japanese movies that are wonderful and very melancholic and subtle but vidya and anime and shit just all seems really superficial.like go watch Harakiri it's a masterpiece.
>>750175834>rewardedthat's all of 4chan these days buddehi wish it was the darwin awards
>>750160925>Everyone wanting your cock in WRPG?>Fine>Everyone wanting your cock in a JRPG?>Not fineCurious isn't?
>>750175834The guy trying to redefine what an RPG is just so he can win an argument is the funniest.
>>750175834>rewarded brown childrenWhat's the reward?
>>750175906Or something like neverwinter nights were you can do multiplayer CRPG with a GM and everything
>>750175540I used to listen to this bitch until I heard her horrible take on Rambo. She's actually retarded, and she barely gives any examples for anything she talks about.
>>750160925etrian odyssey is more of an RPG than half of all warpiggie slop
>>750175937What are you talking about retard? It's okay in both, Persona 5 and BG3 are literally two of the most popular games of our generation. If it was up to me no RPG would have dating mechanics but alas people just expect romance mechanics in fucking everything now.
>Rivals the greatest WRPG worldbuilding while maintaining a distinct JRPG charmnothing personnel kid
>>750176128OP's post, but in general yeah people love romance shit
>>750176204OP's post is a bait image.
>>750175596>there are literal d&d enemies thereNo way? I guess Doom is an RPG since it has beholders.
>>750175843ff1 has no rpg elements
>>750176137Well with like +10 games doing a good worldbuilding is the minimum, hell i i can't think of other games japanese or western that do the same(there is Rance but Rance is rpg, tactial rpg and random shit sometimes)
>>750160925>mfw watching 15 year old troll posts still hit bump limit on /v/
>>750176318Neither does Wizardly then
>>750176137Rance did it better.
>>750166153it is actually next you are going to say "moving your pawn foward one tile is not gameplay" like a drooling nigger
A game needs a certain amount of verisimilitude and player agency to be called a RPG."JRPGs" should really just be called Action adventure games.
weeb fucking shits
>>750176443Diablo isn't a rpg series then
>>750176443>"JRPGs" should really just be called Action adventure games.That argument only works with KH since the entire game is a action adventure rpg game.
>>750176440youre comparing jrpg slop with chess? you fuckin wish nigga
>>750176443The earliest RPGs were either dungeon crawlers or a series of combat arenas tied together with a loose narrative, the Japanese concept of a video game RPG is derived from western dungeon crawlers.
>>750176560KH1 is more of an RPG than most jarpigs. You have actual builds and skill point allocation
>>750166967>like 3 voice actorsFinal Fantasy Resonance has better voice acting than any Bethesda game lmao
>>750176749>BethesdaThey fucking suck and all their games post Morrowind are objectively bad RPGs, nobody will argue against this with you.
>>750176565i'd waifu a rook. they'd give me many children
>>750176659So the West evolved while the Japs are stuck in the past. Sad!
>>750176749>Final Fantasy Resonance has better voice acting than any Bethesda game lmaoAnon i really hope to god you are talking about the japanese voice acting and not the shitty modern english voice acting when comes to final fantasy.
>>750176967Why sad? if people like it then its fine, DQ is beloved in japan and its not like every DQ reinvents the wheel
>>750160925Do JRPGs have pic related?
>>750168169>as you do in tabletopWrong in table top your character effects the other players and the GM will work your traits into the gameplay meaningfully if he's good >Do you actually expect devs to write dialogue for every single possible interaction there could be for a scene? Really?That's what GMs do
>>750176440Moving a pawn forward is gameplay because you a selecting a unit and a position. The JRPG equivilent would be talking to a chess AI bot and saying "Move"
>>750177089Horrible almost unreadable fonts with terrible text? yes
>>750170126because the characters have a role each in the party clear as day definition
>>750161295
>>750175048I know what it means, that's why I called it imaginary within the context of vidyaYou're imagining that you're doing a LARP but not in live action >>750175041You are, play a combat role within the setting or partynot pretending you're someone else
Which way, gamers?
>>750177015ofchaven't listened to the English, but it's probably shit because it's captured by the commiefornia/cucknadian VA cabal like WRPGs
>>750177208choosing how and when to attack in JRPGs is the exact same thing I bet the only JRPG you ever played was Pokémon or something
>>750176659>the Japanese concept of a video game RPG is derived from western dungeon crawlers.Exactly thx for proving my point. Early RPGs were limited by hardware. As hardware improved western devs were able to get closer to the player agency and systemic depth in the tabletops. Japan never evolved past those initial tech limitations. Instead, they copied the old formula, bastardized it, and made it as linear as possible. They essentially cargo culted the genre into a completely different subgenre.
>>750178067Why is being linear a bad thing? Having a lot of options can sometimes leave you feeling more lost and bored than excited. It's also hard to create a good structure and story when you can do everything in any order and stray from the main path with your choices.
>>750160925Dungeons in Persona games are a fucking slog indeed...
WRPGs want to be like tabletop. Which not going to lie, is gay theater kid shit. One of the few times I have ever seen a tranny IRL was at a D&D session. The experience is not really like a video game or even other board games with definite win states.
>>750178067>They essentially cargo culted the genre into a completely different subgenre.Which is supremely basedthey did the exact same thing with animation and we all know /co/ lost biglyThe world would be best if it was completely Japonised like RPGs and Anime desu
>>750178159>Why is being linear a bad thing?Because these people don't like video games but VNs are too "cringe" so they want the shitty inbetween that is a WRPG. VNs have actual branching paths.
>>750178159You could also argue it's homebrew campaigns versus a packaged module.
>>750178202I will kill you. >>750178067Actually there's multiple factors at play, another factor into why so many jap RPGs are linear is the fact that literal anime and manga editors and executives(shueisha and other companies) had massive influence over how much exposure your game got due to them controlling the promotional magazines, Dragon Quest as a series exists of because of such fuckery.
>>750164534TRVKE NVKE
Can anyone here explain to me what made Dragon Quest so popular in Japan ?
>>750178462DQ1 was revolutionary compared to other japanese games at the time
>>750160925It’s funny on how my first playthrough of persona 5 I was literally picrel. Afterwards I was just too focused on becoming a one man army. Which I guess is also a power fantasy not too different from our fedorajak in a way
>>750178067you are still being dishonest about being able to choose between "yes" and "no (lie)" being significant in any way.
>>750178159>Why is being linear a bad thingMoving the goalpost? I never said linearity was bad, I just implied that it disqualifies a game from being a true RPG which it does.>Having a lot of options can sometimes leave you feeling more lost and bored than excitedThis is the mindset of a conformist bugman who lacks faustian spirit.
>>750178462It was the very first game in japan that had substantial casualization. It was explicitly designed so that anyone could see the ending, regardless of skill. Before DQ only skilled players could see the end of a game.
>>750177697>You're imagining that you're doing a LARP but not in live actionso... rp...
>>750178015It's not. Positioining and
>>750178462PC RPGs were popular amongst enthusiasts so people without PCs were vaguely familiarPromoted by Shuiesha in their popular magazine, Toriyama doing the artwork for the game also helped because Dragon Ball was popular at the time.The Famicom(NES) was pretty much in every japanese living room. Gameplay means that literally anyone can play it since you're only selecting attacks from a menu making it popular amongst older people too.
>>750178367You you won't you'll go to your smelly LGS filled with mentally iss eunuchs and imagine that you're some gender bending wizard who defeats fascist capitalist dragons or something
>>750178462>Can anyone here explain to me what made Dragon Quest so popular in Japan ?It's a nationalistic thing.
>>750178710You're still choosing from predetermined options written by someone else. That's not freedom of agency. You're just clicking on prewritten responses that might not even align with what you actually want to do.
>>750178841Nah RP is what you do with your wife once you both hit middle age and want to keep the fire burning. Imaginary LARPing is what WRPGfags and TTRPGfags do
>>750178710>lacks faustian spirit.and that's a good thing, the faustian spirit is what is leading the entire world into the nihilist voidperhaps try reading your own founding myths until the end, no I don't mean the sanitised SIMP Goethe version
>>750178942You do know that japan has tabletop gaming too right? Call of Cthulu(american game) and Sword World RPG are pretty popular.
>>750179132sure but they focus on gameplay instead of spastic make believe escapist autism about the characters that exist in their head and how awesomely non-binary they are
>>750179201>sure but they focus on gameplay instead of [role-playing gameplay]
>>750179287>role-playing gameplay>>imagining you're someone else is gameplay Troons max gameplay in day to day life lmfao
>>750162575SNIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
>>750179003>You're still choosing from predetermined options written by someone else. That's not freedom of agency.You're confusing absolute creative freedom with agency within a system. Agency in a video game is all about systemic consequences, and JRPGs have very little if any systemic consequence in them.>You're just clicking on prewritten responses that might not even align with what you actually want to do.You should be viewing the programmers and writers as the DMs; the DM sets the rules and builds the environment, but the player has the freedom to push against those rules.>>750179084>the faustian spirit is what is leading the entire world into the nihilist voidThe complete opposite is true, actually.
>>750180294What you call agency is quicksaving, killing all the NPCs, reloading your save, and progressing as if nothing happened. WRPGs don't have creative freedom at all either, since they have to pander to troons and other minorities, and anything problematic is a big no-no.
>>750180294>The complete opposite is true, actually.Gr8 another Faustian who never read Faust
>>750180762You keep hiding behind the title of a book you don't actually understand. You should really try reading it for yourself sometime instead getting your opinion from whatever liberal jewtuber you listen to.
>>750160925JRPGs developed a sense of aesthetic flair and engaging presentation that helped them surpass the popularity of WRPGs around the mid 90s, but WRPG fans could rightfully point out that the actual narrative depth and implementation of player choice was often more prominent in their genre.In the modern age, WRPG output is unfortunately a lot more anemic. It's a hard place to be when your tentpole releases are stuff like Starfield and Veilguard. BG3 is okay.
>>750181043>liberal jewtuber you listen to.Peak projection. You can't even tell me how it ends
>>750163891me in her bottom
>>750163829>fashion is for womenFashion "for fashion's sake" is absolutely a woman thing and and any man going as far as getting excited about throwing away 'last season' cloths to follow new trends is very suspect. It's one thing to shit on the "I just want to wear graphic tees" crowd and desire respectable and good looking clothing, it's another to adopt the crowd following spendthrift mentality of women.>contemporary art is bullshitA huge amount of it is genuinely bullshit and is not to be defended by any genuine lover of art. The usage of the word 'contemporary' is doing a lot of work for you here because it implicitly throws in a ton of 'modern art' with high aesthetic value into the pot with all the conceptual nonsense that doesn't even aim at any kind of beauty at all.>are plotfagsAristotle rated the plot as the most important part of theatrical works for a reason. Works can certainly get by with minimal focus on plot and be great, but plot is not some tool to simply be disregarded because there are gimmicky things that drive interest mainly by enticing you to find out what happens next, rather than using the plot in a compelling way in it's own right to bring everything together for the sake of a higher goal.
>>750164247Meh
>>750167310JRPGs with buff spells forcing you to cast them in combat is genuinely one of the greatest advantages JRPGs have over WPRGs combat wise. WRPGs tend to gives you tons of freedom, but so much more hinges on your setup than on whatever actual decisions you make in the heat of battle.
>>750161927Yeah, you're right. None of them are that restrictive.
>>750178015>I bet the only JRPG you ever played was Pokémon or somethingLol at this retard who doesn't even understand his own genre. Pokemon is the closest trad JRPGs actually get to chess like tactical decision making, because it doesn't just boil down to choosing the optimal attack and healing and has actually well thought out status effects.
>>750160925>he still stuck in the pastLmaoeh wake up grandpa, this is WRPG now.
>>750168169>What, do you want your character to be a static nigger like Cloud Strife with a pre-defined backstory and morals where you can't decide a single factor of who he is?Yes.This is specifically the greatest advantage that JRPGs have in terms of writing, pre-set protagonists naturally result in much more compelling stories that the writers have much more freedom of control over, there is not a single WRPG where the core plot is as compelling as FFVII's.>>750168202If you can't properly account for everything you offer as an option, you should not be offering those options in the first place. As shitty as JRPGs tend to be, Japanese designers at least understand this much.
>>750170846Its just tactic game
>>750163829You are almost right, but how i'm suppose to get fat without cooking skills. Moron
>>750183430I would ABSOLUTELY FUCKING LOVE IT if there existed RPGS that were 'just tactics games' and there was not leveling whatsoever.
>>750183046>rock paper scissors is chessDunning Kruger
>>750169409This. Weebs can cope and seethe until Sandfall drop their next game, at which point they'll make like trannies and 44%
>>750161295Underrail is kino.
>>750183553Yes, Pokemon's RPS is "closer to Chess" than basically anything else in the genre, that's all I'm claiming, and I'm right about that.
>>750164330what the fuck is this piece of shit doing in /v/ you fucking disgusting sack of shit
>>750169473Its just tactic game, even telltale games are more RPG than those, they are more strategy games than RPG
>>750177089i don't remember this
>>750183639No you're Dunning Kruger about that.Rock paper scissors is nothing strategically like chess, chess is all about move positioning any 4 dudes in a row is closer to chess than Pokémon
>>750183046name every JRPG you've played retard
>>750183793>Rock paper scissors is nothing strategically like chessI'm not even claiming that it is, just that other JRPGs have even less strategy.>any 4 dudes in a row is closer to chess than PokémonPokemon's 2v2 and 3v3+swappable reserves is more strategic than 4 dudes standing in a row who stay in that row and everything attacks everything else indiscriminately.
>>750177089Some of them did but those are in the eroge category.
>>750160925>western RPG>its bethesdasloplmaowestoids are just as dishonest as their jewish masters
>>750163494westoids don't have any good games to play so they have to spend most of their time shitposting online
>>750184304>westoids>>750184526westoidsWhat the fuck is a westoid? Are there northoids, southoids and eastoids too?
>>750184591>What the fuck is a westoidits you
>>750184664That answers nothing.
>>750184749Slay the Princess, my beloved...
>>750177089How are you supposed to read all that long floating text lmao.
>>750169409>no cultural impact>the sequel will just get worse>forgotten already if theres no people mentioned it sometimesSneed and cope bro.
>>750160925>see a succulent teenage ass>immediately start thinking about sucking cockporn has ruined me
>>750185174At least it's your cock that's getting sucked, right? You're not thinking about sucking someone else's cock, right??
>>750185020With your eyes, yes? You have eyes don't you? Oh what am I saying? Of course you have eyes, everyone has eight eyes.
>>750175928>>750172087Idk, Xenogears is great and Haibane Renmei is a pretty subtle melancholic series that spells nothing out for you
>>750185404No anon, it is not mine getting sucked.
>>750185553>Roleplaying implies player agency and choiceI've never understood this post-hoc categorisation attempt: all games have choice in them by fiat if needing to react to player input. Snake and Tetris have choice and player agency: that doesn't make them RPGs.
>>750185748Goddamn are you stupid. Here's a simple example. In RPGs you can decide who you want in your party, in JRPGs the core party is forced on you, with maybe a couple of optional party members down the line.
>>750185927Your own post contradicts you, dumbass.
>>750186087No, it doesn't. Don't know why I'm entertaining a retard who can't understand something as simple as player agency. My fault for expecting 90+ IQ posters during brown hours
>>750185553>Words words wordsI don’t really play WRPGs that much because they have;-Terrible combat or game mechanics that just aren’t fun to engage with-Too much lore and storytelling that could be better told in a book where the story doesn’t have to revolve around a flawless main character-Too much focus on LGBT shit, to the point that it clashes with reality since even today most people are normal and not homosexual or a tranny-Subliminal anti-Christian themes or messaging
>>750185553What kind of retard wrote this? Child of Light has garbage writing.
>>750161295Mucho texto
I pick secret third option
>>750186504Why are western artists always so bad at drawing people?
>>750161295> info dump npcBad design, you should dole out game information in smaller conversations across multiple npcs
>>750186504You cannot play a book
>>750186589You can, try it.
>>750186428The redpill is this. Despite all the colossally shitty things JRPGs generally do, the best JRPG endgames shit all over WRPGS almost entirely and do a much better job if giving you a place to freely explore and figure out shit in that rewards you for understanding the mechanics well enough to defeat a heap of ultra super-bosses better than any WRPGs will, while being much more atmospheric and aesthetic.
>>750186623>He still needs the game/book to tell him where he can and can't go lmao git gud faggot
>>750169840>woke
>>750185447>eight eyesAnon i'm not xenomorph. Normal people will have trouble reading all that small text packed together like sardine. Do you expect me to squint like asian.
>>750163110zooms grew up with Naruto and Pokeslop you retarded sharteen
>>750164534this, wrpgs are literally just quirk chungus dialogue sims with dogshit combat to pad out the game. completely obsolete after llms
I like both :)
>>750188514me but with sex
>>750160925WRPGs feel so cold. JRPGs tend to have a lot more style. Of course there are standouts like Deus Ex and VTMB but on average WRPGs are a lot more sterile.
>>750162087Based, fuck grimdark faggotry
>>750163284>I can choose to be a fucking retard! Wow western rpgs are so superiorThe main quest is the main quest because the developers spent months or years making the coolest path to take. Why the fuck would I want to do anything else besides that and some side quests? Choice is the same poison as open world, and westoids get baited by it so hard. Shallow homo shit
>>750160925My all time favorite RPGs have always been WRPGs although they are all pretty old. But the best JRPG in recent years was French so maybe they don't have that much good going on recently either.
>>750191174>the best JRPG in recent years was FrenchTranny spotted
>>750191385Well the most successful anyway, I haven't played it so I don't know how the actual game is.
>>750191385The only tranny in the one in this screencap still seething over E33, kek >>750183563
>>750162087BASEDVidya is chuds/nerdspace. Fuck troons.
>>750191552So you're either a tranny or a bald cuck who only likes games for the cutscenes according to that tweet
SMT > Expedition
No one likes WRPG
No one likes JRPG
>>750162087>GLOOM AND DOOMDATS RITEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HowVkIzBixc
>>750185106>Weebs will always spurg out about "MUH CULTURAL IMPACT" when E33 is the subject>Conveniently ignoring the vast, vast majority of """real jrpgs""" are completely forgotten and have infinitely less cultural impact than E33Literal thing: Japan moment>>750191628E33 hating weebs are almost always trannies.
>>750191794Brown hands typed this
>>750191794E33 being a game for tourists doesn't make it better
>>750191794Weeb E33 hate is so funny especially since the devs themselves are JRPG lovers/weebs>>750191841E33 seethers are brown since they're afraid of the French man's superiority
>>750177686>NTR: Netoddrare
>>750192012French are huge fucking weebs in general. They love anime, manga and japanese video games
>>750161295Based Slavs almost single handedly saving modern RPGs
>>750162563My problem is the generic body on both genders. God forbid someone's tall or short, skinny or fat, etc etc. Instead everyone's build like the same model.
>>750160925Modern WRPGs feels like bottom part of the pic too but for queers instead.
>>750191951>E33 being a game for touristsSo true, xister! Why can't they be like /ourgirl/ and play real games like Xenoblade! >>750183563
>>750160925>Meanwhile in tabletop RPGsA cannibal, holy crusader, and martial artist are sitting around a table debating whether or not aborting the anti-Christ is efficient. The holy crusader believes it is better to attempt a purification ritual that will most likely kill the mother and the child, the martial artist believes he can just axe kick the stomach of the mother at the right angle to shoot the baby out her snatch, and the cannibal is humming the Chili's Baby Back Ribs jingle while the other two are talking. These are the heroes of our story. They are definitely not good people but the world is worse.
>>750164101>Anyone who is actually into literatureIf a story is good it will be good. You don't need to study the Greeks to realize the plot sucks. At most you can spot how the game borrows from other source material.>>750182663Especially since for men, all you really need is jeans, black trousers, some monotone/grey shirts that well-fitted (or loose if you're fat) and you're done. Woman make a huge deal about it I suspect because it's a "womanly productive hobby." What I mean is for men, we see going to the gym and grooming ourselves to be how we look good. Woman however do that through other avenues like makeup and clothes. It's the difference between men seeing their body as the problem, vs woman seeing their presentation of their body as the problem.
>>750160925I agree but Morrowind is dogshit
>>750163284I remember playing the rpg known as gta [#], doing taxi missions.
>>750160925Based and Westoid pilled
>>750164101>Anyone who is actually into literatureWhich literature? You mean the performative outdated shit that released centuries ago or modern popular degen like how to milk a minotaur?Actually that reminds me of something, westoid dont have any platforms that is as impactful as qidian or even tomato dont they?
Looks like the bait thread finally hit bump limit.
