>2000-2015>a single developer was able to ship atleast 1 game every year but often 2 or 3 released>the games were polished and optimised>a publisher could easly space out the year with over 10 releases>budgets would get allocated correctly to games according to the type of market reach it has>a game would get anounced and it would take 1 or 2 years for it to release, sometimes they would even release the same year>if a game spends more than 4 years without any information or trailers since announcement people would rightfully assume its vaporware or cancelled>Developers worked hard, but hard work was expected of you in the industry like how overtime is expected in the service industry or continues work for months on a tanker>2016 hits>tons of articles hit the scene condemning crunch culture>tons of unknown developers suddenly come out of the woodwork to back the articles up>they get their way and crunch slowly disappears from the average game studio>2017 and beyond>game studios have inflated employee counts 10 folds>games development time takes about 6-10 years now>games release in buggy states, feature incomplete or just straight up broken>budgets have increased astronomicly >all kinds of positions have been endlessly stretched beyond all measure, making pointless roles in the company such as community HR manager or creative narrative lead>a publisher is lucky to push out 2 games in a year now>because of this these 2 games have to be the most safe, by numbers, test audience approved games one can think off>one flop is enough to topple a entire game studio or even publisher Bioware is the latest example of thisin the period of 2006 to 2012 they were able to push out the entire Mass Effect trilogy and expansions, Dragon Age 1&2 and even Star Wars TORNow in the same timeframe they were barely in the beginning stage of development for a game they announced in 2020
The loss of crunch in the industry is what is going to eventually kill it.The industry has created a cushy new culture were you can sit around for years vibing and writing down ideas before actually working on a game, working at a studio today might as well be the most expensive adult daycare on the planet.Publishers and developers should have stood their ground and told these journos that if you cant stand the culture then fuck off.
>>750187123>in the period of 2006 to 2012 they were able to push out the entire Mass Effect trilogy and expansions, Dragon Age 1&2 and even Star Wars TORall dogshit I'm overjoyed that they're finally fucking dead and hamburger helper will starve to death
>>750187123You can have crunch, but you need to pay full overtime.Or if management and execs weren't retards, the game would be made on a proper schedule where there is no crunch.Either way crunch is shareholder supremacy cancer so it's inherently bad.
>>750187413>You can have crunch, but you need to pay full overtime.cool it with the antisemetism
No, all it needs is competence and scoping. At no point do you need more than 30 people working on a game.
Crunch never disappeared What happens now is that developers sit in their asses for almost a decade and then put in work like a few years before launchNaughty dog is currently doing it for that Intergalactic game
>>750187382>thinks bioware's peak was "all dogshit">is a fucking retardchecks out
>>750187123Mass Effect trilogy sucked ass because EA forced them to finish it too quickly.Bad example.
Yeah those quick games where all hits. Like Dragon Age 2. That game was clearly finished and not just the same dungeon copy pasted 20 times.
>>750187123People, specifically men, were expected to give 120% all the time in their professions for centuries and have no regard for their physical and mental health.Health is a currency and resource you spend in order to get things done and get proper results. Men were expected to die in their mid-50s; that's why things like retirement or pensions weren't a thing for centuries. When you had used up your health, you had used up your reason to live and just... died. By then, you had married, procreated, and provided your family with the resources they needed to grow into independence and society with profits, goods, and services. You had fulfilled your purpose. That's why the biggest leap in prosperity and progress was possible from the mid/late 19th century to the 1950s (with the first signs of corruption showing in the 1920s), when men were expected and required to spend all of their energy to get proper shit done and didn't waste time and energy on useless crap and nonsense. But when women and the left weaseled, lied, and cheated their way into power, everything turned to shit, and it keeps getting worse and worse. Just imagine what would be possible today with today's level of technology and the work ethic of the golden age.
Nintendo is proof of the opposite.They've gotten rid of crunch entirely over the past decade, to the point where multiple first-party games have been delayed by years, such as Animal Crossing.Despite this, we're getting more first-party Nintendo titles per year than either Sony or Microsoft put out per generation. The Switch 2 alone currently has more exclusives than the PS4 and PS5 combined despite the latter being a decade and a half old. And that's every year, not just some fluke years.
>>750188107>Men where better when they worked themselves to death for their jew overlords
>>750187981I hope hamburger helper sees this bro
>>750188148realistically with how many studios Microsoft owns they should be taking up half the releases of a single year but at best they can push out like 4 games in a entire yearthe amount of mismanagemend in this industry needs to be studied
>>750188148Personally I always do my best when i'm tired, stressed, hate my job, and know that the second it's done I will get fired.It's a real motivator to go the extra mile.
>>750187123the issue with Crunch is that it went from "we're 2 weeks from the deadline and we need to make sure everything is properly polished" to "management has taken your estimate of 6 months and told the CEO you can do it in 3 instead, good luck fuckers" That's why it got a bad name, the crunch time never ended and it only existed because of management fuckups and it burned out a lot of passionate people who moved on to other industries that weren't as fucktarded about it like say, the financial sector Because seriously, I need someone who's pro-crunch to explain me how it's possible financial sector software manages to have only a fraction of the level of crunch as videogames, when the former is drastically more important
>>750188074Dragon Age 2 was alot more finished than shit like Mass Effect Andromeda
>>750187123You are delusional, the industry lost people who gave a single fuck about the game they were making, when you crunch jeets you get gta defective edition
I miss the time Rockstar was a actual publishing powerhouse and had all of its studios work individually
>>750187931The worst part is that these people THINK they are working. In reality they are spinning wheels and pushing pencils. I've seen real competent office workers; they certainly deserve a damn good pay cuz those guys are never off work cuz overseas people can and will do business without regard to time zones, which means overtime is impossible to calculate.
>>750188148well you see, Nintendo is a company where an almost bafflingly large amount of top level functions are filled by people who rose through the ranks rather than simply putting nepo-baby MBA's in those roles
>>750188148People tend to forget the very first thing Nintendo did when they acquired Monolith Soft wasn't talk to them about games, but to send a team of accountants over to tard wrangle them on how to properly budget their time and money since they had a reputation for going over budget and being late.And look at how that strategy paid off given Monolith Soft is a premier dev team in gaming now.
>muh crunchWhy does a AAAA game have a 10+ year dev cycle now if poor, oppresed devs are crunching all the time?Someone here is lying.
>>750188346Also Nintendo believes in stakeholder supremacy and not the parasitic shareholder supremacy that is the norm for capitalism, and is a major reason why video games are shit and why Nintendo is the only company thriving still.Remember they fought off share holders that wanted them to go third party, go full mobile games or get out of game entirely so their shareholders could earn more equity.
>>750188353There's other stories like that, like say Retro Studios Before MP1 they were a disorganized mess of a dozen different quarter-finished projects that never were going to go anywhereNintendo forced them to focus on one thing at a time, set realistic goals and deadlines and we got multiple great hits out of them in a row (though then things kinda ended, still not sure what happened)
>>750188284>when you crunch jeets you get gta defective editionthere was no absolutely no crunch involved in GTA defective edition, that is simply the result of hiring jeets to do any work, you give jeets a infinite amount of time and money and they will still make a dogshit productlook at the entire fiasco of the Prince of Persia SOT remake
>>750188437Or Silicon Knights, their only two good games, Eternal Darkness and Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes, were done under Nintendo's whip. The moment they went third party we got Too Human and bomb after bomb until the company folded.
>>750187123The whole issue boils down to game companies scaling and the usual Crunch Culture not being ethical to an institutionalized conglomerate version of the games business.And Jason Schreier's entire perspective is pro-corporates, pro-usury (the stock market is debt that goes to Israel, just look, they subsidized NVIDIA) and the only way to gain the worldwide consent of governments to run businesses at scale is to make the workflow institutionalized (schools -> work pipelines) and other pedantic shit that makes taxpayers say yes to nationalize and pour national funds into businesses, and not attack them with NGOs etc.So basically if you eliminated Crunch and shat out mediocre AAA woke games, you'd get tonnes of money to Israel, and the machine would keep going forever, and "they" want that, whereas gamers want games that you give a shit about and not just a "pop music" machine like the music business turned into or absolute schlock like Hollywood eventually also became.
>>7501883869 out of those 10 years are spend doing>sitting in team calls>team gatherings>browsing pinterest for ideas>team bonding days>team training days>pushing your pencil around>drinking coffee>collecting a paycheckthen the last few years are when you actually need to work
>I have to... DO MY JOB!?
>>750187123>2000-2015>the games were (...) and optimisedI brought out my old 360 and shiiit man playing Sonic Unleashed, and the High Moon Transformers games ran like ass. Constant frame drops when something exciting happens or when there's 5 enemies on screen. Though, I don't disagree with the feeling you're describing, OP. Seeing Transformers Reactivate sit in the oven between 2017 to 2025 (7ish years) when High Moon could make 3 games more substantial than that in like 4 years really fucking says a lot.
>>750187123Crunch has always been retarded and is in no way the same thing as overtime in the service industry. If the retards in management actually knew what the fuck they were doing then they wouldn't need crunch at all as they would be running the show in a way that allows for iteration and time management at the same time, IMO it should look something like this:>One mega team that consist of all the devs in the studio that only does market research, iterative design and asset creation>People are rotated in and out of it as needed and they work "normal" hours with no overtime (9-5) but they are free to work longer out of their on volition an might get small perks to encourage them to work longer (free food/snacks, in-house rest area, access to a digital "library" of al kinds of media, etc)>This mega team essentially exists as the creative engine for the entire studio>Once a few ideas from this team has been settled and tested by the mega team, the most appropriate team members are picked from it and placed in smaller team(s)>Said smaller team(s) then start working on getting said ideas polished and buttoned up for release as a finished product>These smaller teams gets paid overtime (up to a limit) and have a strict time frame/budget to get the thing out the door>People for the mega team helps these smaller teams as needed with asset creation and iterative testing>If things aren't done before the time/budget runs out then another internal support team (formed from the mega team) is called in to force the game into a playable state and out the door in a 6 month time frame together with the original small team
>>750187123Crunch has nothing to do with it.Games are much higher quality today than previously. Proper voice acting, mocap, higher-quality textures, much more polish, etc.Also, in the year of our Lord 2026, every big studio is required to have huge HR departments and other bloat that they didn't previously.Also, previously, companies were filled with white autistic men who enjoyed their work with a passion. Now it is white women who just use it as feminist daycare
>>750188386because the top level morons demand the entire game be scrapped and redone to fit [CURRENT TREND] 5 times over the course of a single dev cycle and the grunts at the bottom have to find a way to make it happen Every single big flop in the past decade has been the result of top level decisions, the only time the base level work is genuinely crap is if it's outsourced to indians, but the decision to do so is ALSO A TOP LEVEL DECISION a lot of the technical details of Concord were decent, there were a good number of skilled people working on it who did their jobs as well as anyone could reasonably expect, but none of that can save a game where the inherent concept is awful
>>750188481didnt they also try to start a legal fight with Epic when they left Nintendo?
>>750188424Stakeholders make stable and safe decisions, which is generally a good thing cuz that usually means they have a drive to make products gud. Not sure why Nintendo's decided emulation is electronic satan, but I guess nothing's perfect.
>>750188513>>750188539Boring /pol/ takes>>750188550>>750188537The /v/irgins who know what they're talking about.
>>750187123Crunch can be avoided if you plan ahead. Western devs will delay E-Day so they can add someone like Mags to the story, then have to crunch cause the game is behind schedule.
>>750188539>Proper voice acting, mocap, higher-quality textures, much more polishnotice how you didnt mention anything that actually improves games
Surely crunch is no longer needed now thanks to AI?
>>750188550>t, but none of that can save a game where the inherent concept is awfulthing is in the past, when a developer revealed a game and obviously saw what they revealed didnt click with the audience or just didnt work in concept, it wasnt too late to go back ton the drawing board and try something different, at most you'd get like 2 years of extra dev timenowadays a single can have the entire studios budget riding on it, getting it to the stage of even having a reveal trailer would already cost millions of dollars and years of dev timethe sunk cost in making a game is so large that devs cant afford starting over, they have to ride out what they have and HOPE people eventually ''warm up to it''
>>750187123You're retarded
>>750188679LolLmao even
>>750187123with how lazy modern devs are we need super crunch
>>750188564They used UE past their contract expiration not even trying to renew it and told Epic to blow them.Epic then sued them into bankruptcy for illegally using their engine.
>>750188617All four are correct, though.>>750188642It doesn't affect gameplay, no. It improves the "experience".
>>750187123>2000-2015>polished and optimisedyou don't play games.
>>750187313nah the actual problem is gossipy normalfags like you doing anything but work on the game
>>750188617it's just instance #2012004 of /pol/ being useful idiots for the elites to shift the blame for their mistakes onto the common people
>>750188148and in this crisp moment I realized: who would do such a thing? why get rid of the crunch?
>>750187123Unironically. They turned an artistic endeavour into a cushy conveyor belt job in an air conditioned office. That's how you get "products", but not art, which demands sacrifice.
>>750187382>hamburger helpercurrently at blizzard lol
>>750188964Really makes you think when 2 weeks ago, the russian data centers that housed their bots went down and the internet, including /v/ became somewhat pleasant to use for like 2 days before they came back, and we saw threads on /v/ that were about people liking vidya games and not just tearing things down.
>>750188964Common people can be retarded as well.Attacking the useful idiots for the elites is not being a useful idiot to protect the elites.
>>750187931Basically this, those day in the life videos really showed how much work these niggers really do every day, which is literally nothing at all.
>>750187123Phil Spencer definitively proved that unlimited time and budget doesn't produce good video games.
>>750189171Which is sad.So much for that white excellency.
>>750188271It still was a bad game that got destroyed by the public at the time, don't come here and try to gaslight us into believing it's now a good game because everything afterwards was pure dogshit in comparison.
>>750189187You will never be White.
>>750187981Bioware's peak is BG1-BG2, not console garbage, retard.
>>750189272nah it was me2
The video game industry also has some of the biggest bonuses. (If you don't get fired before bonus drops and your game is good).
Crunch is literally an upper management problem that's shoved down onto the peons. Poor planning, budgeting, and expectations are left to float until they go OH SHIT, WE NEED TO SHIP Q4.
>2000-2005>hey kid, look at this new thing we did. you want ragdoll physics? yeah i bet you do! btw you can run it on a handmedown $500 pc>2005-2010>hey kid look at this detail, open worlds, better lighting. smoke and water physics. you might need a slightly better PC to run it>2010-2015>hey look at this, motherfucka. we expanded on the previous generation and now have even better lighting, physics, number of NPCs, and more! alright so you might need a $800 pc to run it comfortably>2015 and onward>yeah uhm, so the game is 200gb and you’ll need a $2,000 graphics card alone to even boot the game>gameplay and physics updates? fuck you little chud, you’ll play the storygame that “subverts expectations”, or whatever, and you will like it. any complaints about game crashes or glitches will be reported to your workplace’s HR department. also we can just decide to go belly up and close the game servers whenever the fuck we want, ya little CIS bastard o algo.
>>750187123Crunch or lack thereof isn't the problem and anyone who thinks it is is fucking retarded.Here's the real progression of things:>early devstudios had devs who would willingly crunch because most of them were a bunch of nerds who liked what they were working on>this resulted in good games>these studios were then bought by big publishers, who expected them to keep this output while being saddled with projects the staff had less investment in>employees who can't handle forced crunch leave>those who remain burn out, get lazy, and are fired>new staff is brought in to replace old staff>new staff has even LESS investment in the tools and projects, and half the time they get fired at the end of projects anyways to make some numbers on a sheet higher>game quality takes a nosedive because nobody understands or cares about what they're working on and is constantly stressed by the need to be in perpetual jobhunting mode since no position is ever stable except for C-suite management>studio is shuttered>vampiric publishing houses move on and C-suite management has 20 golden parachutes in reserveHalf of the reason Jap studios haven't had nearly as massive of a quality loss compared to Western ones is because Jap work culture values (for better or worse) staying at the same company until the day you die, which is good for a creative industry because it gives employees time to learn and experiment instead of being shuffled around between random engines/studios/the employement line every couple years regardless of whether or not they make something good.Saying>MUH GAMES ARE BAD BECAUSE DEVS DONT CRUNCH NOWis both comically wrong (crunch is absolutely still around and still sucks cock) and completely ignores the rancid work culture that results in poor games to begin with.
>>750189540>Oh btw we HAVE to have identity politics in the game about amorphous blobs, yes lil chuddie this one is an underaged trans child trying to get into a wholesome relationship with an older bi blob. :^)
>>750189920>wtf why arent our games selling now?
>>750187123Crunch is just incompetent management and long dev times are due to incompetent management as well.The videogame industry needs smaller development teams without hyperfocused specializations to cut down on incompetent management. Once you raise employee counts over 40, game development starts to suffer and employees create garbage work.It's a feedback loop that keep bringing in more management, more specialized teams, more consultants and more approval boards, all of which bring down efficiency and either duplicate or delete work.>>750187313>Yes I would like to increase my workforce by a few % by forcing them to work excessive overtimeWith their decreased efficiency you may as well replace them with more drunk slavs.Crunch exists to make a manager look good when he overpromises shit that he can't deliver.
Nothing is more motivating than working to increase my bosses bonus pay that he gets when he fires me.
>>750188862>It improves the "experience".How the fuck does that improve my experience?400GB hand textures that i can only appreciate if plaster my face infront of a 8K monitor?Mocap? oh yeah seeing Debra Wilson in dozens of games these days really improves my immersion.fuck off with mocap, id rather they bring back actual character animators wich are probably 100 times cheaper than having to license a bunch of mocap equipment from Hollywood
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>>7501871234K development ruined the AAA scene
>>750189171being hands off with a bunch of scammers doesnt help eitherNigga hired Double Fine right after the Broken Age scam and acted surprised when they made almost nothing while slurping up budget
>>750189345Upper managers who "accidentally" cause crunch do so becauase it's a viable strategy for them. The Dragon Age dude talked favorably about it and his strategies for it, saying that when you're not in crunch mode, there's a habit to work slow and also not really escalate the tasks you're working on, so then you underdeliver and fall behind schedule, and once you go in crunch and tell people we have to work fast towards a strict deadline it creates what he calls "completion-urgency". A mode of stress where the employees set aside their regular habits for chatting with people outside of work or constantly calling their family member on extra breaks, or fiddling around with the same texture past their agreed deadlines, and instead they go "it needs to coalesce, it needs to be delivered to the other guys, I'm falling behind fuck fuck fuck" and that's when people across the whole studio begin to actually haul ass and put things together as a game.And when you're not enforcing that their mentality becomes lazy, and you can do many things to remind them of the urgency, but nothing actually creates urgency but telling people "it's too late".
Crunch is how you lose skilled workers.
It wasn't even crunch that enabled that, it was having a solid core of nerd devs with a vision for the video game they wanted to make and with minimal managerial bloat holding the process up. You can get shit down in 2 years if you just make game->get game to market.now you have to have 7 years of managerial bureaucracy and 12 layers of "DIDN'T YOU FORGET TO ASK SOMEONE" that makes it impossible. make game->fuckheads->DEI grifter layer->more fuckheads->more DEI grifter layer->more fuckheads->some faggot named grJeremy->EVEN MORE FUCKHEADS->EVEN MORE DEI RACKEETERS->get game to market
>>750190529Crunch weeds out unmotivated losers with no passion for the projectRockstar had crunch for almost its entire existance but the moment ''office culture changed'' that is when tons of developers started leaving
>>750190587see >>750189872
>>750187123>She
>>750187123>hard work was expected of youis this like the american tipping thing
>>750190406You are right. None of that matters. All games should be text based, graphics is a cope.
Having to work overtime sometimes is just reality in literally any job. The main problem with modern devs is the hiring-firing cycle where they only keep employees on short contracts and boot them after 2-3 years instead of building up skills, experience and company culture.
>>750190879>you shouldnt waste money on useless features>GUESS YOU DONT WANT ANY FEATURES AT ALL HUH?Ah yes, a genuine retard
>>750188148Nintendo takes 8 years to release a game now. 5 years for TOTK8 years for Mario kart worldNo new Mario game8 years for Metroid Prime 4No crunch has killed Nintendo too.
>>750188148nintendo is still slower than ever. it makes no sense to compare them to others. you have to look at how they used to do things.
>>750190993Nintendo killed their own internal development teams by promoting people beyond their ability to perform and repeatedly culling anyone who didn't toe the line.
theres too many chefs in the kitchen. To make something cohesive you need people that can make choices and stick with them. Nowadays every large game studio has 20 writers sharing trying to agree on a story, you got market analysts and management imposing dumb shit and god knows how many consultants for DEI and other bullshit to make sure they don't offend anyone.everything is a jumbled mess without clear direction that takes 10 years to make
>>750187123>atleastBrown.
>>750188313I completely forgot about Max Payne.
>>750187123>let women in>all the sudden various injustices of the industry are brought to the forefront of all conversations regarding said industry >systemic changes are made to address these new issues >everything gets unfathomably worse
>>750191441
>>750190993>5 years for TOTKthey released expansions for BOTW in the meantime so dont act like they didnt make anything>8 years for Mario kart worldMarioKart 8 still got regular updates and DLC>No new Mario gameBananza is the sequel to Odyssee>8 years for Metroid Prime 4That was entirely on Retro fucking up development and having to restart 3 times over. if anything Nintendo should have just taken the game from them after the second attempt
>>750191258So it's a good ol' case of 9 women wont make you a baby in a month eh?
>>750187123Go crunch yourself.
>>750187345This Anything worth growing... grows
>>750189320ME is a TPS with RPG elements for Xbox faggots.Peak shit.
>>750190406>How the fuck does that improve my experience?Immersion.>id rather they bring back actual character animatorsThey are only cheaper because they do a shitter job. To get the same quality, they would be more expensive.
>>750191612>he took the shitposting on /v/ seriously and can't enjoy games anymorekek I feel sorry for youactually I don't, you're a retarded normalfag and you deserve to experience pure suffering until you die
>>750190470yeah it's literally a normalfag cattle wrangling technique, one of many. Other techniques include dev perks (office bar, pool table, and other cheap shit), teambuilding exercises, mandatory fun aka after-work drinks (like in japan); basically ways to forcefully create emotional bonds and make the cattle cohesive and dependent on your validation and commands.
>game credits for games from before 2016, like 100 people tops, most even less>game credits for games post 2017, 1000+ peopleToo many useless positions filled by useless people in useless job roles, too much outsourcing, not enough actual united vision for the game.
if AI is so great where are AAA studios not shitting out a new game every week?
>>750191701>Immersion.do you seriously spend hours looking at your fucking hand textures in a game? what boring shit do you play>They are only cheaper because they do a shitter job. To get the same quality, they would be more expensive.The wooden acting most of these mocappers give is no better than stiff animationsalso>3 guys doing character animations vs 10 guys + several pieces of 1000 dollar mocap suits plus cameras
>>750191814cool opinion except the games on the left are just as bad as the ones on the right
>>750187123>by jason schreierstopped reading right therenever forget he was one of the five guys
>>750191886
>>750191881>games on the left are massive successes while games on the right are all massive financial failures two of them killing the studiopure westoid cope still going strong
>>750191856ok, but where's your point? you're not making any
>>750188148Bruh Nintendo took almost a decade to rerelease BOTW and charge sequel money for it + tip They can get away with it because they have a rabid fanbase thanks to their billions in marketing, but no other dev can afford such luxury, see New Vegas being a whole new game that completely reworked Fallout 3, being made in 18 months, and still being called glorified DLC on launch, something no one dared say about TOTK
>>750191970>but what about muh salesoh god it's one of those steam charts retards
>>750191923this rat really is the biggest industry shill out there, im glad everyone is clowning on him for his terribly ages ''GO WOKE UHH TOP THE CHARTS'' tweet
>>750192016>brings up steamcharts out of nowhereaww did someone make fun of your dogshit game?
>>750188862The fuck is improving the experience. If it's game, I want GAME. If it dun make game gud, it's a shit experience no matter how it's made or how pretty it looks or how well I can cook eggs on my tower when I run it.
>>750191973compressed textures look better than bloated 4k texturesmocap should leave videogames because its a hollywood psy op to leech off the games marketand you are a faggotthat is all
>>750187123Fun fact. Every single industry is like this, crunch isn't unique to videogames. It's almost like deadlines and launches are a thing.
>>750188732Makes me think about DmC: Devil May Cry 2013 reboot. The entire internet pretty much formed a que and everyone took turns shitting on new Dante. If this game were released today then people would unironically call you a fragile chud for not being okay with the redesign.
>>750192106>lossy compression looks better than uncompressedYou're so dumb you BTFO'd yourself in one sentence.
>>750192016>Mass appeal is le bad because I have autismYour argument still works against you because if both sides are equally bad then why bother hiring so many people?
>>750187123In any other industry>Hey Jim, how's that work coming along?>Sorry bob, falling behind>Well Jim you might have to stay back and finish some more of it each day then? Or else the project won't get complete>That makes senseIn the gaming industry>Hey Jim it's been two years, how's the game going?>Oh well we've JUST started narrative design and->What the fuck you JUST started the story? The fuck have you been doing for two fucking years? Get back to fucking work you lazy piece of shit>REEE THIS IS UNFAIR!!!!!
>>750192215DmC also had tons of hitpiece articles that tried to justify its existance and called people ''entitled'' for shitting on itid argue it was patient 0 for the moment journos started attacking consumers
>>750187123don't care, not my problemI will not be blamed for industry practices
>>750191706>Normalfag>For not liking dumbed down AAA dudebro slop from the late 2000sEat a goddamned dick asshole
>>750192425this whole Bioware situation really opened my eyes on the industry and how dev studios are filled with absolute crybaby'si cant believe they actually made me side with EA of all things but i understand EA management for cutting loose Bioware if after 6 years they dont even half quarter of a game done.
>>750187123I think its everything that is broken. Jobs, culture, business, politics, education, society, morality.
>>750192465It was 1 year before GG took off and before game journos went full mask off.They always were corpo mouth-pieces but at the very least they tried to put on a facade.
>>750187123>the games were polished and optimisedL O LO L OL O L
>>750192571As it turned out, the suits had little to do with games being shit. Big investors and developers were responsible for it.Corporate just wants games to be shat out quickly and to make money. It's greedy but at least they admit to it.Devs want to sit on their asses all day and add 100 LGBT flags to the game.
>>750189064Can't have /v/ enjoy ANYTHING. Hard to control that way.
>>750192647a game release like CP2077 would not have even gone gold back in 2005
>>750192753Games on console back then ran at 15 FPS and PC cane out broken all the time. But development times were much shorter.
>>750192687Buddy, shut the fuck up. Why is it that according to some of you retards, corporate Jews are just wittle babies at the mercy of everyone, who have no way of knowing why their own properties keep shitting out commercial failures? What do you think their job is?
>>750192926>Games on console back then ran at 15 FPSnot all of themthe Gamecube has more 60 fps titles than the PS5
>>750193440>What do you think their job is?snort coke, rape children and prepare golden parachutes for when the company goes belly under
>>750193484lmao
>>750190728>Drake's chest hair moves in the wind because someone realized the grass animation code worked on hair tookek
>>750190728all that for a ps3 movie
>>750187123Why does /v/ attract retards like OP and those who agree with him?
>>750187123>cris>fygoon>nortubel>bokube>azur>marmoreal>blorb>nolgorb>crumble>psychojoshindies will save the industry
Cyberpunk2077 worked on PC. the deprecated last-gen consoles were just too weak to run the game. Fault was on cdred for refusing to admit they should've just cut the weak last-gen consoles and focused on PC first, then current-gen consoles, and just not even tried to get it to on old-gen consoles.
Devs should go back to low-poly.There's really nothing wrong with it.
>>750188107>Just imagine what would be possible today with today's level of technology and the work ethic of the golden age.You're describing Japan. It's not helping them dig out of their recession.
>going overbudget>going way beyond normal scheduleswhy is this so normal in the videogame industry but any other field of work this would look like a huge management problem that would need to be solved
>>750196056The government
Games used to be simpler to be made and required far less budget. Which enabled more people to work on many games, and even for games that fail to not completely close down their studio after a failure, people used to be able to learn from mistakes. Now you get instantly fired and the studio imploding.This is also against players too, the common player WILL be mad if a game isn't using "state of the art graphics" which cost a lot of time, money and people. Notice how so many people use the "it looks like a PS3/PS4" game as an insult.The industry is now overbloated in budget, extremely risky to work in yet also punish games that often are not generic enough, with less and less respect for the developers (including by the suits in charges with golden parachutes) and more and more demanding players.And the worst thing is that it's likely impossible to go back on this.
Not sure what /v/ is saying here, if anything there's MORE crunch now and even more devastating ones than in the past.Hell, at least in the past it was only during a few weeks or month at worse. Nowadays you get some crunch for YEARS.
>>750187123>how's the work going>MY HAIR IS TOO HEAVY>alright carry onwhy am i unemployed
>>750195305japan's work ethic is incredibly unproductive for the effort put in. the overall culture is too stifling.
>>750187123You know nothing of the crunchhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B7he8OyuQdg&pp=ygUeeW91IGtub3cgbm90aGluZyBvZiB0aGUgY3J1bmNo#bottom-sheet
What makes them think crunch is a metric?
The reason why video games have bad conditions is the same reason holywood will always feature producers and directors fucking young actresses for favors.People have a mad romantic fervor for working in the industry, creating a surplus of people trying to get in, which drives the leverage of people looking for work into the mud.Every abused worker has two to take their place if they say no and quit.It's the market at work.
>>750187123>>the games were polished and optimizedNo. That was not common at all. Your basic premise is wrong.
>>750188107>man, wouldn't it be better if everyone died in middle age you're a retard
>>750188107>Men were expected to die in their mid-50s; that's why things like retirement or pensions weren't a thing for centuries.No, that's because basic hygeine is barely a concept until late 19th centuries.
>>750188642Presentation is half the appeal of a game.A game looking good increases the amount of enjoyment you get out of the gameplay because things that look nice feel nicer to play.
>>750192465>patient 0 for the moment journos started attacking consumersDid you forget the ME 3 ending controversy in 2012? That was when the entitlement narrative first hit critical mass.
>>750187123>2000-2015>a single developer was able to ship atleast 1 game every year but often 2 or 3 released>the games were polished and optimised>a publisher could easly space out the year with over 10 releases>budgets would get allocated correctly to games according to the type of market reach it has>a game would get anounced and it would take 1 or 2 years for it to release, sometimes they would even release the same yearThe fuck is this fantasy land bullshit?
>>750189872>>750189045>>750187123Anyone that thinks older developers were better than modern ones is a retard.Literally just look at any of the modern games that guys like Raph Koster, Warren Spector, Tim Sweeny, Tim Schafer, etc. have produced over the last 20 years. They weren't more competent. They were luckier to have been born early.
Crunch or lack of crunch isn't the problem, most of these dipshits in the modern industry could never make a good game, insufficient time is not the issue.
>>750191995>>750190993Nintendo released a few remakes or remastere of older Zelda games and multiple Zelda spin off games. Acting like there was nothing at all between BOTW and TOTK is just stupid.
>>750194660what is the lore of these guys?
Crunch is a tool of shitty managers. If you're for crunch you're actually endorsing some of the most useless, wasteful positions that have been increasingly bogging down the industry for 20 years
>>750192571>crybabiesI remember reading that staff would go and cry in the closet during Anthem. Obviously they hired too many mentally ill retards that were too detached from reality, which is common for Edmonton. Employee problem. For crunch itself it used to be a period where devs were trying to sneak cool bonus shit in a game and make a little something extra. Or they’d polish the game to the nth degree. Crunch just to complete the game is mismanagement and the lack of effective decision making being a management problem. Women in the industry was the big Jew lie that’s primary goal was to immediately double the workforce. Through this labour becomes much cheaper; however, you introduce indecision. A group of 5 bros collaborates seamlessly in seconds to complete things where women do not. Also a management problem.Now with Indian slop work being done real devs have to waste time fixing literal garbage. Management and employee problem. An even bigger problem is the use of consultants. Imagine the level of incompetence on display when you ever need to hire a cultural consultant. Now as we know woke devs try to force consultants on companies through cancel culture. They waste significant time and resources. The easiest solution is to contract all employees so they can’t unionize. Management and employee problem. HR departments need to be removed as it prevents the aforementioned 5 guys from just getting shit done. They also bias the hiring process towards mentally ill and technically inefficient employees through DEI (ie. the image of the girls at the office and the one dude that codes). Management problem that turns I to employee problem. ‘Managers’ are also a problem because most are just buzz word slinging retards with no actual talent or skills in of themselves. Management problem. Lest but not least is the media who in collusion with consultant subhumans and woke tards defend and create fake negative press for slander.
>>750189540Games hardware became obsolete way faster in the early 2000s and 2010s than today.Are you a child or a moron?
>>750197975>they took 6 years to put out a lazy rehash but that's fine because they took 2-3 years in between to put out remakes This would be called the death rattle of any other company
>>750190587RSR2 is the best game Rockstar ever made, so what is the problem?
>>750198625It would not be because that is one franchise of many instead of Nintendo's only franchise.Releasing several DLC, remakes and remasters, and spinoffs between two main installments of a franchise is literally better than normal for any studio that doesn't do yearly or biyearly releases.
>>750199093No it's not, you're only saying that because you've been affected by Nintendo's marketing machine
>>750187123Do you retards not realize crunch is happening even as you speak, and the biggest issue of shit not moving forward is because of middle management and C-Suite constantly making ass backwards decisions that require devs to just halt all immediate production and abandon it to start over multiple times in some new ass manner that corporate/shareholders think will make the maximum buck?Clearly we need to cut down on the amount of developers and artists and instead just hire MORE managers because clearly if there's 200 managers in a studio it means production goes up 200x, right??
>>750192753It absolutely would have.Myth 2 literally shipped with a bug that could delete your entire hard drive.Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines is to this day basically unfinished and is a total buggy mess after 20 years of fan patches. Everything Troika released was like that.Morrowind is the same, an absolutely dysfunctional and broken mess of a game. And Bethesda's later releases have been the same.Same with every STALKER game, same with every Paradox GSG, same with every BioShock game, etc.What the fuck are you even talking about man?
>>750196056It is normal in every industry.
AI solves the crunch. AI solves everything these people bitch about except, of course, AI.
