12 DAYS, ALL ABOARD!
I'm having a blast!
>>750187437
Lowkirkuinely I am hyped as fuck, they really did almost everything I wanted out of WoW, although I wish they put more effort into it. It should be on the level of new retail expansion.
>>750187336HOOOOME RIDING HOOOOOME
>>750187336I'm optimistic
>>750187965where's his dick anon
>>750187336rofl nothing about this looks good or interesting
>>750188687Nobody’s forcing you to play the blue elves, you know.
how much does it cost?
>>750188852Just the basic sub
>>750187826>although I wish they put more effort into itI feel the same way, but the plan appears to be to add new content over months/years. Still though, I would've preferred more new levelling zones, since I'm unlikely to level new characters after hitting 60 on my main.
>>750188892I will play with you.
>>750188687>>750188716>>750188897>One new starting zone>It costs $30 blizzardbucksback in my day we used to get two for that price.
>>750188973That's only for the new Elf race. Other 3 new zones are Riverglades, Shen'Dralas and Hyjal (60 zone).
Fire Metzen.
>>750187336I genuinely can't wait anymore. If they just shadowdropped it now they would bank so hard
>>750187826>>750188897They need to give us a prestige system or way to level indefinitely somehow
>>750187826>they really did almost everything I wanted out of WoWLike what?
>>750188973>repeatedly state that you have no interest in the shitty recolored elves>retards keep bringing them up for some reasonI hate them, you hate them, anyone with sense hates them. What are you hoping to accomplish here? Is this some sort of advanced shill tactic?
>>750189263They did add a prestige system of sorts, the legacy system. It's a talent tree that gives minor QoL buffs, you gain point by (among other things) levelling alts
>>750189940Yeah but that's not enough because it doesn't seem to make you stronger. There is this one talent that gives you talent points starting at level 5 but at 60 you're still the same.Imagine something like the more quests you complete the stronger you get even after level cap. Or just reset to level 1 again but you get one more talent point or something
>>750187336the sharing will kill the game if blizzard doesn't do anything to fix it. It doesn't seem like a huge issue until you see it in action and how aggressive it can be.Even the majority of reddit hates it. The "world" of warcraft is currently the instance of warcraft. Outside of your guild there won't be any community building and you'll rarely run into the same people again.
>>750190221How does shared killing even work? I can just tag a mob or world boss other people have pulled, and get all the loot from it?
>>750189990>reset to level 1 again but you get one more talent pointThat would be ass, having to do 1-60 as many times as you can per characterthey'd have to tie cosmetics to a prestige system like that, not actual power>mandatory Loremaster on every character (do all quests) for max powerno thanks!
>>750190386pretty sure he meant sharding, which means that other players will fade away if they cross the same zone line as you without being in a party for exampleIt totally kills the immersion of it just being one world
we are so back, bros...
>>750189990Restarting at level 1 while retaining all previously earned quest rewards and reputation would be pretty neat. Imagine being able to use two Thrash Blades or pick up a different reward for your level 50 class quest. Obviously this loses a lot of value after the second or third time, but it could be pretty fun.
how many of you are streamer slaves?
>>750188716They are forcing me to see them and listen to their obnoxious voice actinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXFU3Kv33QY
>>750190386typo, meant sharding.
>>750189853>SHUT UP SHUT UP STOP TELLING PEOPLE BLIZZARD IS SHIT"no"
>>750189050>Hyjal (60 zone).The music sounds wrong and not like Vanilla at all
>>750190673>>750188687best Warcraft elveshow did they do it after failing so many times?
>>750190701>"BLIZZARD IS SHIT">yeah they kinda are>"BLIZZARD IS SHIT">yeah i agree, why did you say it again>"BLIZZARD IS SHIT">we all heard you the first time>"BLIZZARD IS SHIT">why are all of your posts like this>"BLIZZARD IS SHIT">shut the fuck up you annoying faggot>"WOOOOW WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING BLIZZARD??"Can you hurry up and die from cardiac arrest?
>>750190513>>750190691I'm going to cope and say that Blizzard will fix it. Because this time they actually appear to be listening to player suggestions.
>>750190673>wow they actually have their own unique dance, didn't expect that much effort>females SORRY type B has the exact same jokes and flirtsevery time i try to give this shit race a chance, they always find a new way to disappoint me
>>750187336hey op I was already on board but seems like we were on different layers haha
*disappears right in front of you*nothing pers-
>add high elves>add ogres>make separate servers>don't change spell scaling>give classes a couple fun abilitiesthat's all they had to do and they failed
>>750191478
>>750191575>add high elves for alliance>add goblins for hordeI like this better
>>750190572>China got a recreation of Dalaran, a massive event, even Ion went over to humble himself before the Chinese>the Chinese inexplicably love the SkyborneTheir WoW has its own dev teams and its own unique content in addition to what we get, it's like looking into one of those warped mirrors that make you like prettier. It's not fair...both are men btw
>>750191897>>the Chinese inexplicably love the Skyborneyeah sure they do
>friends my party keep getting booted to other layers, literally could not play with them on the stress test>podcast bitch says everyone loves the layering system
>>750192213>>podcast bitch says everyone loves the layering systemwhat.
>>750192213I'm so sick of these boot licking streamers not saying anything about this. We need realms
>>750192265>thinking Blizzard would ever allow dissenting opinions in their advertising piece
>>750192183What are you inferring, they doI'm having trouble finding CN server race distributions, but you'd see that they're nearly all elves and "pretty" exotic races, it's almost tailor made for them.
>>750188716They ruin the atmosphere, especially of the Horde. They are another snub to players who wanted plain old High Elves for over twenty years and they are a telltale sign that Blizzard is still intent on adding infinity Elven subraces to the game, even in the version that was supposed to remain true to the spirit of Classic. Best not to get invested. Also, anything called -born is reddit as fuck.
>>750192213>>podcast bitch says everyone loves the layering systemno they didn't, they said they're aware there's problems and they will discuss possible fixes on their next episode
NO NAGANO BUY
I'm not just saying this as somebody who has been playing on the successor of Turtle but Forever's looking more and more interesting...
>>750192361 there is nobody sane and competent left at blizzard anymore. It's a rotting bloated corpse. The race bloat (with total disregard for faction theme) and faggotry are a symptom of it. Oh well, i guess nostalgia is a mental illness anyway so I should be thankful for nublizz raping the game and saving me some wasted time
>>750191670They're afraid normies and trannies won't pick Horde if they can't play pretty races. They could've given Blood- and High Elves to the Horde and Alliance respectively without having pull a new breed of Elf out of their ass.
>>750192502normies, trannies and chinks*And they're not afraid. They know they won't.
>>750187965piss ugly AI slop
>>750192429looks like dogshit. i'm glad they are not adding meme races to the game
>>750188114You mean her dick, anon.
>>750187336Why would anybody at all in this version of the game level up as a tank? Nobody will be willing to chain run dungeons so youll have to wait an hour between every dungeon for people to run to the dungeon while also raging at you if you didn't kill exactly 99.9999% of the dungeon to get it done as fast as possible. Then you hit max level and get cucked because every guild only need 2 tanks max anyway.What the fuck is the point of tanks even existing as a role anymore?
>RMT>Layering>ugly ass UEslop graphics you can't turn off>cashgrab races that are also lazyNOT MY HOME
>>750187336No Amani Trolls or Ogres? NO BUY!
>>750192792you suck jeetda
just curious , but why has wow never been released in japan???
>>750192839**fucking suck
>>750187336Good morning Saar, how's the weather in Mumbai?
>>750187336BUY A FUCKING AD
>>750187336whats the appeal? never played vanilla btw, started in TBC
>>750192860they don't play pc games
>>750187336dead tranny game generals belong in /vg/
>>750192792you fucking suck jeetda
>>750193067it's the fortnite equivalent for soilennials. you wouldn't get it unless you spent the two decades surrounding your formative years playing blizzslop exclusively. it's all they played, it's all they know how to play.
>>750192980>talk about a game with literally zero relation to India>Indians have never even been associated with it, they are not known for liking or playing it>SAAAR SAARRRR GOOD MORNING SAARIndian psychosis is real.
>Warrior - Victory rush added to keep in combat constantly >Paladin - Holy strike added as filler ability, seal of fury added for protection tanks to taunt properly >Hunter - Aimed shot made baseline at level 20, traps work in combat, pet now scale to you, summon hawk added for beast mastery (basically murder of crows), sniper shot added for marksmanship, strider kick added for survival >Rogue - Mutilate added, passive added to reduce cooldowns by using finishing moves>Priest - Added shadow word: death, reduced cooldowns of other shadows dps spells>Shaman - Totemic projection and Call of the Elements added >Mage - Arcane blast stacking, triggered arcane missiles, frostfire bolt added, frost blast added>Druid - Wild growth added, swiftmend no longer consumes HoTs, added lacerate for bear tanks, eclipse mechanic added for balance (think wrath / starfire cycling) >Warlock - Added wrack (basically malefic grasp), reworked drain soul to give shards over time rather than on kill, incinerate added for destruction, soul fire made into an execute, pets now scale to you >Downranking nerfed >Dual spec added I mean it's getting to the halfway point of retail already and it hasn't been released.
Don't like the increased view distance. It makes the world feel much smaller.
>>750193139>blizzard is owned by microsoft, aka jeet central>implying these threads aren't made by microsoft's shill army>zero relation btwlol
>>750193143Ah cool, more retail abilities but with none of the added functionality of SoD, just what I always wanted in classic plus.Is it actually possible for them to think of new abilities that weren't released in TBC-Wrath?
>>750193213Genuine schizo lines of thinking.
>>750193230nonu-blizzard runs on fumes, all they can do is microwave what was made when the company actually had talent
>>750193268>Genuine schizo lines of thinking.
>>750187336Real Classic was the last time I felt hyped for WoW as someone who played up to Shadowlands, I'm truly cured.
>>750193268no you're right it's merely a coincidence these generals go unmolested by jannies, despite generals not being allowed on /v/, absolutely no money being passed under the tablemassive retard
>>750193315you're missing out bwo
>>750193290Unironically, take your meds, anon.
>>750193315>posts the test version of the daily when the real version has a dash mechanic
>>750193360>Unironically, take your meds, anon.
>we're going home>to nu-blizz-raped """"classic"""""I'm so glad I'm not a blizzdrone or an mmo fiend anymore
>>750193072they have hearthstone though
>>750193315>>750193351You know that classic is the easy, retard friendly version of the game right?
>>750193592>he thinks any version of WoW isn't made for lobotimitesLMAO
>>750193623post logs?
>>750193770you made the assertion first. let's see your classic logs first
>>750193860Classic being trivial is just a factYou claimed that all versions are, so you can back that up with logs, no? Despite pro players wiping hundreds of times to retail bosses Im sure you can show me how easy it is for you
>>750194030My statement is just a fact too. :^) WeakAuras plays the entire game for you.
>>750193592Yeah that's part of why the last time I was hyped for wow was before Classic released.BfA was a flop, Classic looked promising and while the community dynamics and pvp were fun the playerbase was much worse than I was used to in retail as a CE raider, then Shadowlands was another flop, and didn't really bother with TBC or retail again.
>>750194079So you can post logs to back that up right?
>>750194217Post your classic logs first. I expect them to be at least pink since you bluster so much about how it's a "well-known fact".
=Planned changes within 1 year=>Weapon skills removed>Hit caps removed >All resistances removed >Dungeon finder added>Mana regeneration rates for non-healers significantly increased, spirit removed as an attribute >Talent changes made free and available at any time out of combat>Can change specializations at any time out of combat >Defense rating removed>Reagents no longer required for abilities >Additional portals added around the world>Flight master speeds tripled >Corpse runs to instances removed, you now resurrect at the entrance>Downranking removed>Most skills automatically trained as you level but class quests remain for the remainder >Increased bag and personal bank sizes >Mounts reduced from 3 second to 1.5 second cast time =Planned changes after 1 year=>Raid finder added >Arenas added, battlegrounds split into casual and rated>Class quests removed>Priest racials removed >Resurrection stones added to instances after each boss >Great vault added >Cross faction dungeon and raid functionality>Housing added >Epic mounts can be accessed at level 40 with a reduced cost. Normal mounts can be accessed at level 20 with a reduced cost >WoW token made available
>>750194260meds
>>750194260wait a minutethis is just retail!!!Blizzard lie???? for the 98417581591535th time in a row??????????????
I spent a long time thinking and soulsearching on what I want and I came to the decision that I'll be an undead priest again. For the 4th time playing some iteration of classic.
>>750194257Classics content clear rate already proves its trivialIt also proves retail is hardThats why these are objective facts, and the weird thing is you already know this but as a leftist are fundamentally dishonest pretend to not understand, thus making discourse impossible
>>750194525>Classics content clear rate already proves its trivialOH NO NO NONONO
>>750194525I still don't see any logs. I accept your concession.
>>750194579not shown: clear ratebut its okay, you already knew that and continued to lie as your kind always does
>>750194525I mean, everyone knows the mechanics now so yes that would make sense
>>750194626>not shown: clear ratenot shown: clear rate
WOW FOREVER IS GOING TO BE GREAT!
>>750194640guides are out for every boss in retail, why do guilds still wipe hundreds of times?
>>750194739>why do guilds still wipe hundreds of times?because retail players are shit?
>>750194739Because people still have to get used to them. It's one thing to read about mechanics. People have had almost 20 years to get used to all classic WoW raid bosses. Yes I will absolutely admit that vanilla mechanics are far easier as there's less of them.
this is a stupid argumentretail has an e-sports difficulty with bosses who are overtuned on purpose so (((world first guilds))) spend trillions of gold in BoE epics, enchants, consumables, everything that gives them an edge. and it's impossible to raid in that setting unless you're a NEET and live and breathe the game. that's THE reason only two guilds actually compete for world firstclassic only has an honest difficulty setting
>>750194930>People have had almost 20 years to get used to all classic WoW raid bosses. this is cope, you dont need 20 years to learn to mash frostbolt, you need 20 seconds>Yes I will absolutely admit that vanilla mechanics are far easier as there's less of themThats good, unfortunately most classicfags are dishonest and wont admit that
>>750194943Not entirely. Blizzard typically makes the last 2-4 raid bosses in the current season difficult and that difficulty is almost always a "if one person does just one minor thing wrong then the entire raid wipes from a bomb" which I agree is bullshit and meant for those being paid to play. Everything else is fairly reasonable
>>750194943>retail has an e-sports difficulty with bosses who are overtuned on purpose so (((world first guilds))) spend trillions of gold in BoE epics, enchants, consumables, everything that gives them an edge. and it's impossible to raid in that setting unless you're a NEET and live and breathe the game. that's THE reason only two guilds actually compete for world firstThis is like saying super smash bros is an esport
>>750194943>its only reasonable if my shitter ass can clear itlol
*Ahem* since you're all faggots. Both versions are trivial. FF14 mogs both in actual difficulty.
>>750195104let's see your clear and also how much gold you spent on the tier
>>750195113both vanilla and retail players agree on one thing though: nobody cares about your ERP chatroom moviegame
>>750192546>shitty racials
>>750195113>linking logs from 10 years ago>hiding patch and difficulty when NH notoriously got gutted by 7.2 release>melee in NH when you literally got 0 mechanics on some bosseslmfao
>>750195001>this is cope, you dont need 20 years to learn to mash frostbolt, you need 20 secondsSure but there are other factors like threat, positioning, crowd control, interrupts that you still need to do and not everyone plays DPS. It's still a cakewalk compared to retail but everything is of course a little easier with that played experience.
How do I justify playing WoW again as a worthless NEET? I can't sink any lower.
>>750195113100% true >>750195186There is literally no group in vidya mode erp goonbrained than blizzcucks
>>750190673Warcraft has always had terrible voice acting lets be honest. It's a fantasy setting where everyone sounds like they are from California.
>>750192265No fucking dont. I am tired of having to get merged into another realm when mine dies or face the fact that blizzard deems my current realm "big" enough that it doesn't get merged. You can't win.
>>750190673>playing in EnglishW H Y
>>750195246It's been so long my character no longer shows up on the armory to grab a screenie of my CE achievements but I cleared NH before 7.2, two mage tower specs in EN mythic gear on the day mage tower first became available and killed KJ in ToS before its first round of nerfs (not counting RWF nerfs).Worlo is a meme, your mythic prog consists of praying your local retard doesn't get targeted by the wrong mechanic while you're paying attention to a suite of circus sound effect weakauras or bashing your head against an unreasonably overtuned boss just so two groups of autists can have their world race until blizzard tunes the bosses for groups that don't buy gold.
>>750195671>Warcraft has always had terrible voice acting lets be honest.Another "it was always shit!" shill defence lmfao
>>750187336>weekend>Blizzard marketing team spamming threads non-stop on /v/
>>750195759>until blizzard tunes the bosses for groups that don't buy gold.Actually the gayest part of prog and example #5233 how blizzard purposely makes their game worse in favor of streamers.
Who else is going Horde on the RP-PVP server? LET'S FUCKING SEE THEM, BOYS
>>750195931>pay $30 to reserve a nameKill yourself
>>750195987its literally free if youre not retarded
>>750195651samefag
>>750188927Thanks Anon, here's a code for a free week on EU servers
>>750188687My biggest problem with them isn't how they look, it's recolored night elf buildings.
>>750195759sure bro, just cant prove itYou outed yourself by bragging about mage tower clears btw, most specs were a joke from day 1. Anything doing feltotem, twins or god queen was completely faceroll, and most of the dps challenges + half the healers were still easy. Nobody would bring this up as a flex if they were actually a good player
>>750187336im hyped but cant figure out my day 1 plan for getting out of starter zone hell.first idea i had was just leaving and getting flightpaths/explore exp to level 5 but that takes almost an hour. now im not sure since cave hyperspawns are a thing i could just spam invite people and grind to 5 asap.im leaning to getting fps/exploring. getting a lot of the core ones out of the way early will save time later while the server lags out.i have 8 days off i cant wait for the leveling rushi love all mmo launches yes even bless online
>>750195931>name reservation when last names are a thingwhy
>>750196435Ask Blizzard, I'm not reinstalling nor resubbing so my character gets cached in the armory again lmao, I already had to dig through 30 wclogs pages to find my old parses that mog your ass btw.And no, you weren't clearing MT when it first came into the rotation on multiple specs with pre-NH gear, legendary rng memes and the autistic AP grinds. Feel free to provide your credentials if you're going to try to discredit mine :)
>>7501952253 min raid boss?
Is there any hope for this game or is it going to be pure incel cope and another ASMON LAYER flop?
>>750197191asmon and his drones will quit in 2 weeks
Convince me to play it
>>750197275its free for a week if you use a friend invite code that everybody who played the beta got dozens of
>he didn't get his fill with turtlewowYou think you do, but you don't
>>750197386"everybody who played the beta" got the cheap access by causing 10 dollars worth of food waste in australia retard
>>750197398sex
>>750189853I wasn't even talking about the elves as a race though, that's a different dicussion. I was talking about the new 1-15? zones being locked behind a paywall TBC gave 2 1-20 zones for the same price.that's all it was an observation about shrinkflation not the goy psyop you think it was. I don't really give a shit about the elves but while we're on the subject 30$ used to give us two races but that was before mop.really it's a bad sign that forever despite being meant to celebrate and push forward classic wow is being ran by the same mindset that made mop.>duo faction racesit's cheap but im im interested in the new lore of the high elves.
>>750192707from the beta it sounds like Prot is the best way to level as Warrior nowPala is looking kinda cucked at max level, but they'll probably balance it
>>750193143One active ability more than the absolute nothing some classes had going on is halfway to Retail, okay
I don't know about playing yet, but isn't it worrying if some huge ass guilds lead by influencers try to take control of every resources in the world? how do you even fight this? This wasn't something in the past...It's like a gaming equivalent of big corpo taking everything. Unlike with factions, this fuck over even people in the same side.
>>750198735you play on RP servers in which being streamercancer gets you banned
>>750197398>pve tranny server>1.12.1 dogshit clientno ty
>>750198839since there's no regional servers now, won't that make RP a bit clunky for everyone who do not speak english?Shit will be harder in asia though due to all the different languages and no lingua-franca
You fucking losers can't possibly be here wasting time this when November has way more relevant good games to be played right?
>>750198993players will be layered depending on their client languagei.e. german players will have their own containment layer, same for french, russians, etc
>>750199063name one that isn't grand normie slop six
>>750199063like...?
>>750199063>missing the biggest wow fresh for some singleplayer shit you can play anytime
they should have gone full wotlk when talent trees made specs actually feel differentthe way they design their shit is horrendous
>>750199168Didn't seem to work that way in the playtest though, all continents were with each others but different languagesmaybe they did that on purpose to test the servers and sharding....Speaking of speaking, why is NO ONE speaking in the actual game world? Some people talks in the general channel but generally, it seem like most people don't really talk in the game anymore....It's a bit sad as it's against the way is made.
>>750199502Late-Wrath talents were gay as fuck and ruined the game. Literally where the casualization started
>>750199273GTA and Zelda are both more important and higher quality than Nu Blizzard shit. All the people worth a fuck at Blizzard are long gone. You're supporting woke devs.
>>750200619GTA is catered and made for 70IQ ghetto niggers, and zelda is remake UE5 slop with antisoul gas everywhere>You're supporting woke devs.I'm not "supporting" anything you polbrained retard I'm just playing a video game I found interesting. Normal people are capable of existing without thinking "WHO DOES THIS SUPORT DUHHH IS IT MY SIDE OR ENEMY SIDE????!?!"
>>750187336I will not play this slop. I will only play era and i don't care about anything else.
>>750200619>consoleshitpass
>>750200619>Ghetto Simulator VILMAO, I'm not 15 anymore lil bro>OOTGood game, but I'm not paying $600 for an, at most, 8 hour experience for the hundredth time.
You can now play TurtleWoW offline with bots. So no thanks to wow Forever.Without all the pay-to-win garbage TurtleWoW should be a good game, I'd guess, I don't know I never played it, but am starting.
>>750201529Why would someone play a MMO with bots? This is against everywhere the genre stands for.Did people forget the "MO" in the name means "Multiplayer" and "online"?
>>750201529I ran Azerothcore for awhile, it's fun for 20 levels then just completely fucking soulless. Don't you have any friends you want to play with?
can't wait for the realm splitamericans are insufferable
>>750201701Influencers are going to make local branch of their giant guilds everywhere, watch this
>>750187336No, too many red flags, not worth investing time into it.
>>750201629>Why would someone play a MMO with bots?>s-s-stop having fun without me! Please come back! TRAITOR! MUTINY! You have to play with ME, us humans are so much fun!No, I'm done with you. I'm not playing WoW Forever with a bunch of retail simp blizzdrone cuck losers. Go ahead and do it if you want. Not to mention I am never paying a subscription for a game ever again, nor paying any money for a game I am not even allowed to own.You are deceived. And if you haven't heard, you're gay and everyone makes fun of you, me my bots are laughing at you. I blush for you. Looney Tunes rust, that's you.
>>750187336I'm still going RP cause I don't have time for pvp and if the rp side is dead cause of it I'll just quit desu
>>750188973when will blizzard release skyborne for free
>>750202020We all know that RP PVE is dead now that Blizzard announced RP PVP.
>>750192358asians like "pretty" races. That's a problem with league of legends as well, when I used to play it like 2020-2022 , people complained riot did not release any new real monster champion, just pretty "monster" champions
Can someone tell me the purpose behind this? Is it because retail dug too deep a shit hole they can't get out of? Is it an probe to see how wow2 should end up?
I will sub for 1 month, maybe 2...then i shall get bored
>>750200619>gun & ball slop>nint*ddler slophard pass
Raped by GTA6 award
>>750202208Blizzard genuinely thinks this is what their players wanted. They have said that there is zero crossover between the Classic and modern playerbase.But then for some reason it's possible they want to combine these two groups. But more likely they just don't understand the original game and so have no way to add to it properly. Because they like the modern game, which is why they're changing so much stuff to make it more like the modern game, such as being able to take on 70 mobs in a row before needing to eat or drink.Despite what people keep saying that this "isn't Classic+" well, Blizzard directly said "this is Classic+" at Blizzcon, so.... that's what it is, and it's really bad. And that's all. Not a surprise.
>>750202208They nuked Turtlewow and now they're providing a worse alternative.Turtle mentioned, blizzdrone defense force in in 3...2...1...
The beta killed any excitement I had for this. The dev team is just a bunch of clueless retail team morons making their own shitty private server. They have no idea what the fuck they are doing, as evidenced by multiple classes getting raped of their identity in the beta for no reason.
>>750202208It artificially pops up their quarter ends, which is why the beta and launch and hardcore are all in separate quartersalso forever is designed to die, they will make forever 2 in probably a year in a half in Q3/4 2027.
>>750202418This is not Classic+. This is not classic at all, hence the logo and branding. Them saying it’s classic is like if coke called classic coke “good for dieting”. They can say that, and it doesn’t need to be completely true, it’s still a completely separate product from Diet Coke.
one of the new zone has literally a whole Ogre clan defecting the twilight hammer for the Horde but nope, npc only
>>750202782But this is their version of Classic+ and that's what they want to do. They want and think that this is what WoW players want. And of course this is what retail players want, so they win anyway.And the shill streamers don't care, because they don't care about video games. They don't stream because they want to play WoW they stream because its their "job". So Blizzard continues to win as always pulling the same old tricks over and over, pretty amazing they can still get away with it. And when people are fed up with WoW Forever Blizzard will just pull the same trick again.
>>750202927Use your brain, it's the lead in to playable Ogres. They have not been subtle with the teasing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvMZsDIJ7IY
>>750203196This was always going to be the final boss of layering.
>>750202995Retoilets are the ones screeching that Forever is too classic thougheverbeit
I am chronically addicted to WoW but honestly wtf about this looks good other than it's classic? Blue elves? Changing npcs to be gay? Looks like the same old blizzard to me.
Dungeon XP is giganerfed to the point unless you have quests inside you want to you are literally wasting your timeAnd if there is one guy overlevelled for it the exp drops to zero evenSo fun levelling healers hahaah
>>750202418Sounds like they admit the short has gone to shit, cause if they're keeping the gameplay than they're not blaming it for retail's failure. >>750202465Classic was their answer to turtle wow. It sucks that it happened but it happened a long time ago. >>750202685I feel there's more to this than stretching out quarterly reports. I think they're testing the waters for the future. Retail is a dead end, and wow2 needs a good foundation. I wouldn't be surprised if this undoes some deep mistakes with the lore that have been around since BC
>>750203332this kills the boosting retardsI fucking hated their spam
>>750203175Wow, so cool, can't wait, so excited. Veeery excited. wow, so cool, awesome, please tease me papa Blizzard, playable ogres!? oh my gosh, please tease me more papa. I will literally soiface when they finally release what they should have. They may have served me crap on a plate, but they're teasing real food! UOOOOOH BLIZZARD! They just keep hitting the homeruns, they listen to us bros! Blizzbros they are listening! They are so smart and so wise, they are teasing ogres after releasing the sky elves dual faction no one wanted, they are listening bros! We won chuds!
>>750203175$30 :)
>>750203495>>750203534>nothing but sour grapes and 3rdworld poorfag copeI'll be buying and enjoying Ogres.
>>750203842>HIGH ELVES AND NAGA ARE COMING TRUST THE PLAN 20 MORE YEARS
>>750203842>necromancers will be the new horde only class>rune masters will be the new ally only classThey're not doing faction specific classes after doing all that work to try and justify undead paladins. It's not happening. >ogres comingDefinitely>goblins comingMaybe. Likely not, they're explicitly neutral in classic and Blizz says no retail races.>the next 12 days is gonna be huge announcement after huge announcementNow I know you're delusional. We're not seeing another race or class for at least a year.
>>750203842>deletedstill fake, your post wasn't blurry enough
If you want a sky race, bird people would work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z8rerFOxaIAnd they already made the models in TBC https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/ArakkoaSo if you're gonna copy the blood elf models from TBC and force a new race into the world.They got some established looore, they actually fit the look of the world. They even have banners and flags and different factions and a home.Hold up, wait a minute Mr. birdman. Even if you just took the skybourne as they are and gave them the Arrakoa model instead, and then change some of the dialogue lore whatever, that's already be more exciting and an improvement.
I get the impression this game is going to be dead in a year. Classicfags will get upset when it starts trending too close to Retail (you know damn well they're going to add a shop to help monetize the game, the UI was already there for it in beta), and Retailfags won't want to leave behind the characters and collections they've built over the past 20 years. People will log in long enough to check out the new content, then they'll leave again.
>>750204219chinese wouldn't play them
>retailfags posting the same thing over and over ad naseumIt's over bro. Your 20 years of mounts and mogs are worthless now. You need to let go.
>>750188973grok whats $15/mo paid since december 2004?and whats the average month paid in the most popular gacha games, currently?
>>750204290Whoever didn't drop it the moment the skybornes were revealed will eat up any garbage blizzard will serve them.
>>750204290It's not for classicfags and they will complain about any and all changes instead of just playing era
Anyone still excited for this after seeing how they completely raped Warrior of it's gameplay and identity on the beta is out of their mind. I don't mean damage nerfs, I mean them completely gutting rage as a mechanic and then totally failing to rebalance the class around their new shitty rage model. Less than 2 weeks to release and the class is broken because they fucked with it to fix a problem that didn't exist. This shows how incompetent and clueless the team making this is, and it won't be the last time something like this happens. They're too busy focusing on retarded shit like camping to even care.
>>750204290Yeah the game appeals to neither the Classic or modern players. I think WoW Forever will just be a third group of players and then I don't know what happens in the long run, probably nothing, blizzard will keep draining money from idiots while they do nothing good.
>>750204549Warriors having infinite rage at level 60 was a problem that needed addressing.Warriorfags are out of their minds, they always think that they deserve to be #1 in everything and monstrously overpowered, forever.
>>750204449/thread
>>750204549cry more, warcuck, as far as i've seen warriors are already close to GCD capped at 30 and don't need any more rage
>>750204549The problem is rage was an infinite scaling feedback loop in a game that is meant to go forever
>>750204549Warriors in the beta can take on 70 mobs one after the other without having to stop for a second, I think they're fine.
>>750200246idk what you're referring to but just nothe level of complexity brought by wrath was a step up from almost everything in vanilla and tbc besides shit like melee weaving and seal twisting, which were never even "designed" to begin withand still, specs felt different enough, not this bullshit >same exact thing but you get 1 more spellshit they did here
>>750204290i get the impression that this is blizzard's only shot at a "classic +". i think that they have squeezed all the juice out of re-launching vanilla (and its expansions) and if wow forever doesn't hit the mark, then that's it. i mean, they've released "the burning crusade" three times now. so i think there is a lot riding on making forever work. i don't think it's an experiment, as much as it is an all-in bet.
torn between warlock, mage, and shamanhelp me out brosI'm stuck alliance to play with friends
>>750204960wrath traded things like mana and threat mattering for more buttons, it's not really more complex
>>750205162you got a favorite race?
>>750190701
>>750205273whites but asians are a close second
>>750205373obviously a shaman then
>bitter disaffected female gnome that can only find meaning in being an onahole cocksleeve for taller racesRP-PVP it is!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCGtKGEnCAU
>>750205194>>750205194>wrath traded things like mana and threat mattering for more buttonsbecause they were already a non-issue in most scenarios alreadynot really "complex" to have a pally judge wisdom on a bossif you said cata I'd agree with you
>>750205683nah mana actually mattered in cata unlike wrath, very late in cata threat got increased (again) only because dps was scaling so high
>>750205273dwarf but gnome is tolerable
>>750205814wrath removed that dimension because they didn't know what to do with it : it's not really compelling gameplay having to drink after every pull if you don't have your bags filled with snowballs and a jow slave in your raidclaiming vanilla and tbc were more complex that wrath because of this is disingenuous
>>750205098I feel like it misses the mark for being a Classic+. There are too many fundamental changes like sharding, the spellpower rework, massive dungeon XP nerfs, and sky elfs to really call this Classic. They should've started with something less ambitious (like just taking Classic and adding more stuff to do) and worked on changing things from there. Instead, it feels like they're trying to make something completely different, which I'm not sure anyone really wanted.
>>750205646take the shirt slot item off. that top is for cleavage
>>750187336>getting milked from newblizz>playing the same slop for 20 years straightclinically retarded
>>750204620>>750204843Was already solved in BC, WotLK, and SoD. Warriors were balanced without needing to normalize rage.
>>750206081>I feel like it misses the mark for being a Classic+i agree with you, but i think it's probably about building a platform to expand off of. it's why they have the retail skeletons and texures, UI changes, server infrastructure, etc.i think sharding is probably unavoidable. i think severs suck and i hate them. it sucks cock to have your friend be on another server and you just can't play together. maybe there's a better design they could have gone with, but individual realms which can die and have to be merged is not a great solution.i don't know if the spellpower thing is a problem that could be fixed by tweaking numbers. itemization is not phenomenal, but i think the goal of making gear upgrades feel impactful (rather than just leveling and getting a new rank) is a good idea fundamentally.dungeon xp nerfs are retarded. if the goal is to punish RMT, go after that. people should be able to level in dungeons if they want to. i think dungeons are probably one of the most social things you can do in the game.sky elves i think were forced by higher-ups as a monetization system. which is bad, but i don't think the devs think it's a "good idea".
>>750204707>GCD capped at 30What? Pressing fucking what? Sunder and thunder clap?
>>750206469pretty sure TBC normalized rage
>>750206574>i think dungeons are probably one of the most social things you can do in the game.Definitely not for people chain grinding 50 dungeons in a row
>>750204707you really don't have enough rage to do much more than bloodthirst and whirlwind on cooldown
I'm making my enhancement shaman a femcow because I remember them having actually pretty good 2H animations. I don't like playing zugs and trolls 2H pose is nifty but seems kinda weird for anything that isn't a sword or spear.
Why are they so sexual?
>>750202995>it’s their version of classic +It literally isn’t hence the name
Do not give your money to the woke corporation that hates you and that has ruined gaming. They removed flirty emotes, added fags and pride parades, removed boob jiggle, and are ran by incompetent dei hires Epoch reborn launches in 2 MINUTES. The don't host the client to avoid C&D. Torrent a 3.3.5 client from another pserver: https://chromiecraft.com/en/downloads/ extract it to a folderThen download epoch reborn launcher and patch it: https://project-epoch.org/how-to-connect.htmlEPOCH HYPE, this time for with devs that know what they are doing
>>750206672sure, but i don't think that's very many people. and even if that is a big problem, i think the nerfs they rolled out impact a lot of people who aren't playing that way.sometimes i'd do deadmines on horde, or sfk on alliance, and it's such a pain in the ass to get out there that you'd do like 3 or 4 runs back to back to make it worth your while. but now, the mobs are giving like a quarter of the exp, why would i spend the time to make the trip?if they really wanted to stop people from grinding dungeons that hard, maybe change it so you don't get 5 lockouts an hour, or 30 lockouts a day.
>>750206654No, it adjusted the rage formula. Rage wasnt normalized until Cataclysm.
>>750206896you will unslopify my man joe immediately
>>750206870I love retail idiots like you, it's great, because you're incapable of reading basic things like Blizzard openly saying "This is Classic+", you genuinely are low IQ, I don't know id anyone told you that, you might be able to get disability benefits, I would go for that. You are mentally retarded, it's pretty common for people to be online.
>>750206896shoo shoo poor thirdie
>>750187336buy an ad marketshill
What do we think of the RpPvP server being added?
>>750204219>they actually fit the look of the worldBut they're from Draenor/Outland.would still take them over belves
>>750207105i think i don't want to have to use a serious name to play there and that makes me angry.i like rp events but i'm not going to be playing a character 100% of the time.
>>750207105you suck jeetda
>>750204314What's wrong with the Chinese exactly?
>>750204620You're a fucking retard if you think "infinite rage" is the reason warriors were overpowered in Classic. Please don't comment on shit you know nothing about.
>>750207291the difference between a warrior on their own and a warrior coming online in a raid is enormous, and that kind of sucks. it sucks that your character feels nuts only in this narrow window.
>>750207065>blizzard openly saying There is no “openly saying” in some interview with some chud no one has ever heard of. What a company “openly says” is their logo and title of what they are selling you.Look at the fucking image in OP. There is no mention of classic.
>>750191897>Chinese inexplicably loveReally? I'm retarded and I noticed the "tang" heavenly elves were chinkbait
>>750207065>incapable of reading basic things Read the logo of forever
>>750187965sorry anon, no draenei
>>750207291ok google AI summary
>anti olympus addon installed>gnome mage created>tauren wife securedyup, it’s time to game
>>750207391Nigger watch the reveal, the podcast, basically anything with the devs talking. They repeat "classic" like a prayer, you need to let go retailtroon
>>750207502yet
>>750207473>>750207391>>750207065https://youtu.be/uFJQgSkaacs?t=5055
>>750207694Blew that fucking retard out of the water.
>>750207694There's literally no point posting this because retail idiots will continue just arguing the same thing over and over, they are incapable of learning or realisation or even changing their argument.You will continue hearing "This isn't Blizzard's Classic+, it has different name! So stop talking about it! This game isn't' for you unc!" Playing retail damages the grey matter in your brain more severely than cellphones and porn.
>>750207917so keep it in your pocket. post it each time they say otherwise
>>750207976They can't comprehend it, it's information that they can't incorporate into their brain. Like many other things. Engaging with retail zombies means you've already lost.Never forget their are millions of people who drool and watch blizzshill streamers, millions who also love playing modern WoW, these people really exist and they walk among you.
>>750190572is like burning crusade launch
>>750204707>don't need any more rageThat not how warrior work
So when are they going to add races people actually want and how much will they cost?
>>750208429Retconned-Draenei are never coming. You will get Broken and you will like it
>>750192615>said anon as blizzard was adding blue sky niggers to the game that cost 30 dollars
>servers are in fun mode now, no more forever for 12 days
>>750195702almost like retail figured things out 16 years ago and allowed cross realm grouping
>>750208429They will add a ton of races to the game in desperation to generate more hype and it'll be a clustered disaster in the end just like retail.It's shocking that these companies can make such horrible decisions, but they do, like Disney and the Star Wars sequels, it just doesn't matter how much money and access to "talent" they supposedly have, they just make horrible decisions, and Blizzard will.
>>750208429if lazy hueshifts are 30 fucking dollaridoos, actual new races (implying nu-blizz is even capable of that) will easily cost 60 or more. especially if they're meme races like ogres that <1% of the playerbase will play, they have to compensate for the lost sales.look forward to your 80 dollar naga (just kidding we'll get dark iron dwarves and brown orcs for 30 dollars first)
>>750208429who cares? we're not going to see a single additional race, reskin or new, until 2 years from now and by then the ship will have sailed, it won't be FRESH™ anymore
29 minutes until the beta shuts down, aren't you sad?
>>750193268>everything on the internet is organicnot even a good gaslight
>>750208783havn't played it. didn't want to buy the gayelfsi will download and play this on release dayI will roll tauren shaman btw
>>750207071>discussion of games not allowed on gaming board
WoW was never good.
>>750206868I don't know but I do know that the female gnome VA is sex in audio formI want to marry the gnome voice
So uuuh... how am I supposed to solo level as a warrior in this game?>dungeons>travel around half the world for 45 minutes, only to wait another 20 minutes for everybody to meet at the entrance>clear dungeon after 30 minutes>this specific dungeon is now worthless due to the EXP nerf>questing>go from quest to quest, but mostly solo until you're at the final quest chain stage that is usually a 5 man mission>wait for 30 minutes before I find somebody else to do the quest withI had zero problems with dungeon spamming (90% of the fucking endgame is dungeons ffs), so I have no idea what drove them to this retarded decision.How are you guys going to level?
What's up with aggressive marketing Blizzard employees? Are you worried that Forever will not be a successful?
There's going to be one last patch before the release, right?They said that they won't change racials after release because it'll make people regret their decisions, so that means they'll buff Dwarf before then... r-right?Dwarves won't remain shit forever, RIGHT?
>>750209106hyperspawn farming in caves
>>750209153>200-something posts in 9 hours>on a Vietnamese local neighborhood watch forum>most posts are negativeDo you really think this is being paid for?Meds
>>750207105you fucking suck jeetda
>>750209153Didn't you remember the first classic release they did? The marketing back then here was way more awful and spammy compared to today.
>>750209106i see warriors pulling 5 mobs and their health not even going down
>>750209153>Are you worried that Forever will not be a successful?delusional lmao
>>750209106>How are you guys going to level?questingbtw Protection Warrior is one of the easiest and fastest solo questing spec in Forever, MUCH BETTER than both Fury and Arms for sure
>>750209153Kek got them
I legitimately cannot decide on rogue or mage
>>750209106>>go from quest to quest, but mostly solo until you're at the final quest chain stage that is usually a 5 man mission>>wait for 30 minutes before I find somebody else to do the quest withWhy would it take 30 minutes to find help with a group quest? The world is going to be bustling for many months after release, the early game zones will be popular practically forever because of the sharding shit and because alts are heavily encouraged (the 'legacy system')And if you did somehow get stuck why would you not just move on and do other quests, that quest green won't last longI swear you people make up problems that won't even exist. Sorry, buddy, you can't sit in instances and spam dungeons to 60, that's how it is now. Get over it
>>750209106Just roll palli
>>750209106>why run dungeons?their questchains
>>750209509Because prot is the only spec they actually balanced around the new rage system. Fury was still being adjusted, and Arms is flatout unfinished and nonfunctional.
>>750209661yeah Arms is Elemental Shaman or Arcane Mage tier of straight out literally unplayable
how is balance looking in battlegrounds? I might need to tank dungeons for my friend group but I am a caster enjoyer in PVP, even with the 50 million paladins, shamans, and hunters that are going to be giving me eternal spell cast pushback
>>750209553Rogue is unironically the worst possible class you could pick to play in Forever, not even memeing.Awful / no changes, offers no group utility, a shit reputation, and massively overrepresented due to the whole "Rogues are literally designed to be the best DPS!" announcement thing. It was already impossible to group as a Rogue in the beta, things are going to get so much worse when the sweatlord mentality kick in more.anyway, everyone likes a Mage in the group, they're always good and offer fantastic utility (for themselves and groups).
>>750210102didnt mages get nerfed in forever? lock seems like the most safe choice if you want a caster>least played class>lots of utility>most specs buffed
>>750209567he's a worthless dps shitter who vehemently refuses to tank any content regardless of how trivial it is, so nobody wants to group with him. sitting around and waiting for hours on end to get picked last for a group is the highlight of his wow experience
>>750210102better start making friends if you want to play melee dps
bro wow is legit the most boring game ive ever played. this shit is more boring than any version of runescape. and honestly that says a lot to me. wow is impressively boring. it's a feat. so yeah, i won't be playing forever.
>>750210226that gay tournament assured there will be a lot of lemming retards rolling lock
>>750210102but i'm gonna level to 60 and gank people and go viral on my stream
WoW Forever Beta is now over. Thank you so much for to paying for my game demo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UbxwUE5UGk
>>750210226I've done lock in Wrath and Classic and I would rather not deal with shard gayness again. That portal was given to locks for a reason and without it I cannot imagine battlegrounds against the glut of melee there is about to be, even with Sl/Sl back.
>>750210437>but i'm gonna level to 60 and gank people and go viral on my streamwhatever you say payo
Honestly I think Retail is better idgaf.
>>750210639>Honestly I think Retail is better idgafthat's great; you can stay there! No problem!
>>750209357apathy is true deatheven negative attention is still attention and converts to saleshalf of vanguards players did it for "let me see whats so bad about this"
>>750210512at least shards are permanent instead of conjured items in forever, just common sense qol stuff
>>750210639By the way, absolutely no one was watching or streaming the final hours of Beta stream. The only person streaming was Xaryu praising Blizzard all the while.No one is going to care when this game is fully released. Discussion about it will end so quickly, thankfully.
>>750210102Rogue has always been the class you picked if you like PvP, permanent invisibility and a million CCs/burst options is too broken
>>750210279I agree, never got why so many like it. just play xiv if you want a good mmo.
>>750210275i am confident no one will play shaman past the first weekWhat a fucking meme class in Forever>we don"t want you to do big crit on windfury procs.....you are...A BATTLEMAGE, forgot about STR, it's the age of INT!>also no, we removed totem twisting so windfury totem stay on ground and no grace of air for youAnd Elemental is unplayableSo it's either playing Resto or a cucked spec
>>750210952>just play xiv if you want a good mmo.
>>750196405My biggest issue is that the starting zone is barely wind themed and most of the buildings are recolored nelf stuff. The blue skin thing is weird because most of the npcs are just tan or pale and theres only 2 blue colors anyway. Why even market blue skin to begin with if you arent gonna commit?
This is what Blizzard is streaming by the way now that the beta is over https://www.twitch.tv/warcraft
>>750187336Oh boy! Can't wait to run Molten Core for the 500th time!
>>750189263I wouldn't mind if they raise the cap eventually. TBC elevated the base game. They just have to be strategic on how they implement it.
>>750211107I just I cannot, oooh my aching tentacles. Not a single person but the big shill himself was streaming the final moments of the beta, and now they're just having a retail TV show.This is the best ending to Blizzard ever, no one is gonna care when this game comes out, and they're just literally wining and dining "content creators" live on camera, I can't!
>>750211209they already said they're adding new mechanics to it
Bros why can't I log into the beta anymore?? I was having a blast
>>750211327WOW! They said they're adding NEW MECHANICS! excuse my soiface I was just so excited, WOOOOOOOOOO! 20 years they're adding a new mechanic to the raid! WOOOOOOOOOO!
>>750211368>why can't I play the thing I paid money for anymoreIt's called live service. You don't own it, you got robbed. Learn your lesson next time.
>>750211296livesteam yourself lighting yourself on fire like that other faggot when this shit breaks recordsyou're fucking delusional lmao
>>750211485Sorry I can't read your post, I'm busy watching Blizzard's new reality TV show streaming to 9k viewers. I'm so happy to see blizz shills get paid to dress up and drink and pretend to be TV stars.This is the greatest timeline.
>>750211598>people don't watch some random bullshitWOW stop the presses! Remember, livestream it. I would copy your post to paste it on the 4th to laugh, but I'll be busy
>>750187965https://files.catbox.moe/gpu2p5.pngGoodbye forever
You know Blizzard wasn't even planning on having the old textures in the game until in the summer when they invited streamers over to test the game and told them they needed to have the old models.STREAMERS have to tell "professional" game makers how to make their games.>>750211737People don't watch what? There's 9 thousand people watching this slop. It's so funny. This is the best content Blizzard's made in years.
Over the past few weeks, these threads have fully cemented my belief that most of the internet post 3rd world invasion is just bad actors and demoralization bots.
>>750210639Retail is terrible. Just like every other version of Wow. Genuinely just horrid.
Did you get yours?
>>750208482>If there are no Draenei, then there are no Broken.You're getting this. This is what the Draenei looked like before the retcon (with implications that this is a mutated version of them and they used to look more human-like before Draenor blew up)
>>750211819Most of the blizzdrones are not bots, they are genuine people, trust me. They hate video games, they hate the art of them, they love garbage and forced positivity. Just ignore them.It'd be nice if Blizzard ignored them and actually took criticism to heart and made their game good, but the fact they need so much help to make their own game... it's a helpless cause.
>>750198607yepone extremely fucking powerful ability per spec
>>750211819People don't like bad games and we are repeatedly shut down by mindless sheep who buy everything and praise everything as the next coming of Christ. I'll tell you your game is shit when it is. No version of WoW is good and no version of WoW ever WILL be good because the core gameplay is monotonous grind slop. There are exceedingly few games that have made grinding enjoyable. In general I would argue that grinding games are the worst type of game there is and I would rather not play them at all. So I don't. Grind slop is for teenagers who have endless time. When you hit your 20s you don't have the patience to be a slave to an XP bar. There is more to life than these FOMO slop games.
>there are people who unironically play with the HD models on
>>750212102i am never zoomed in enough to care
>>750212102I think it looks pretty good on orcs/trolls
>>750206868
>>750212071you sure type a lot and often about something that is (according to you) bad. One would think someone wouldn't bother. But you do, and probably will continue to for hours ITT. Odd!
>>750212102those are two different face presets though?
>>750212007I don't even know what you're trying to say. The retcon was that Draenei/Eredar are the same thing. They were not, this was a retcon introduced in TBC. Broken are Draenei. Draenei do not look like Eredar, and never did.
>>750212175"I just don't look at my model" isn't exactly a rock-solid defense of the HD models.
>>750210883For sure, but that combined with the >>750210437 mentality has just meant even more rogues, a shittier reputation, and more competition / counters out thereFriendly reminder that there's literally only one actual straight power increase in the "Legacy Talents" thing, and it's specifically an anti-rogue passive (permanent extra stealth detection)Some blizzard dev fucking HATES Rogues in Forever
>>750212189now thats a fit bird innit?
What are you guys most hyped to do?I can't fucking wait to do the quest where you collect 10 bear spleens. I've done it 10000 times before, but now I get to do it as an undead paladin! This is gonna be so fucking hype I can barely sleep at night thinking about how I'm going to be just as happy as I was when I first played the game as a 10 year old all over again!
>>750212102I like the HD gnome face, but only like two of them. For some reason 80% of the HD gnome face models look like old hags, I have no idea why it's that bad.Most other races are absolute trash though, like "what were they thinking??" territory
>>750187336This will brutally fail. Retail Minus garbage.
>>750212007>>750212237Sorry, forgot my pic.You're getting this. Not the Broken. This is what the Draenei looked like before the Draenei retcon. The Broken were a part of the Draenei retcon.
>>750212102gnome HD has some rally good dick sucking lips, holy shiti'd fuck her face non stop desu, really in for some gnussy rn
I look forward to the great druid crashout in the coming weeks.You just know 85% of the people rolling druid are going to get cold feet thinking about having to heal/tank because their dps will be trash as always
>>750212434Right, we're saying the same thing. I used the term Broken to differentiate them from what retail players think of when you say Draenei.
>>750210952what does that erp chatroom moviegame have to do with mmos?
>>750206868>Blizzard made Gnomes the best Alliance race (even after the comical Human buffs)>Classic is more relevant than its been in nearly a decade>still no new gnome smut despite everythingIt's a cruel world... Are artists afraid of gnomes, of the reputation it may bring? They're just midgets
>>750212370SKY ELVES! SKY ELVES! I'M HYYYYYPED! THEY MODDED THE GAME AND IT'S SLIGHTLYT INFERIOR TO WHAT FANS HAVE ALREADY DONE BUT I GET TO PAY A SUVBSCRIPTION FOR THIS! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>>750212434we already got some asspull OC elveswe're getting pink retcon-draenei with orange polka dots next and you WILL buy them
>>750210496>the missing Mario event was 5 years agoDamn..That was my favorite Siivagunner thing.
Why does almost no one use the public chat anymore ingame? You could ask something and literally no one will answer. I'm almost antisocial and even I think this is weird. This isn't good for most people to become like that.
>>750212546isn't druid always super fucking popular and remains so in every version of the game ever except the original release?
>>750212731yes grills play resto druid or resto shaman
>>750212731yeah, top 5 always has the same classes no matter which wow version>paladin, hunter, druid, warrior
>>750212729INV TO ASMONLAYER
>>750207691we'll get some asspull races before we get retail draenei
>>750212434That model would be way too hard to fit armor to. They'll just retcon things again and say that some non-broken Draenei somehow escaped to Azeroth at some point
>>750212854Not the case in vanilla. Forever druids wont be that much better off
I was willing to forgive Blizzard and maybe even spend money! I might have been willing if they actually made a true WoW 2 and it was good. I didn't expect it, but the chance was there.But you're taking a game I've known about and played, 20 years, and you're making it slightly worse, that's just bad.After years of Blizzard saying "you'll never play the old game again that you paid for!" and then finally caving and ruining that as much as they could as well. Now the mask is off and they're going all out on their hatred for the old game. Unbelievable.But the Beta is over and there's nothing more to say, they're clearly not changing or doing anything, they have made it clear what the path for this game will be. And the drones will eat it up for a short while before realising it's terrible like always and then they'll quit until Blizzard releases the next big "hype" thing for them to come back to for a short while.
>>750187336Seeing them converting Gilneas over to the Cataclysm model has me worried. I hope to fucking God they don't do the stupid Gilneas furry werewolf druids thing again. If they're going to have playable worgen at all, and that's a big IF, it should be the freed Sons of Arugal joining the Forsaken, not fucking Gilneas becoming werewolves and joining the Alliance. Jesus fucking Christ.And they should remain monstrous like their mob form. And there's no need for a fucking stupid "female" model. The average person can't tell the difference in sex between wolves without directly checking out their equipment, the same should go for any wolfman race.
>>750212729I think the only way to see public chatting back is to use the RP servers. But doing this also limit the topic of discussions.
>>750213057also visible bulges and sheaths
>>750213057dude we got blue elvesprepare yourself for the worst and laziest possible outcome
>>750212102Both are rapeable.
>>750213057them becoming werewolves 10 years early would be a little silly
>>750212693>Another faction of Eredars successfully escapes the Legion >They don't give themselves a new name for their species because that's gay and retarded>They crash land near Durotar >They meet the orcs and bond over being aliens and getting corrupted by demons >Draenei (Eredars) join the Horde Would you rike it?
>sharding completely rapes any kind of coordinated or intentional wpvp>only endgame pvp content is unrated bgsso the endgame gameplay is just afking battlegrounds after you do your weekly allowed instanced pvebit grim innit
>>750190631me, i donate half my paycheck to streamers
>no spell reflect, no intervene, no bladestorm>nerfed enrage>just the gayest version of taste for blood and sissified slamI feel like I could design better classes than the entire classic team combined. Why didn't they just start with TBC classes?
>>750187336so whats so special about this WOW? Y'all had the same memes with the season of discovery and it was basically the same WoW classics with sprinkles. How is this one anydifferent? Will it last more then a few months unlike Season of discover?
>>750213583please no criticism you'll ruin the hype, you happiness vampire
>>750213501No, because if Blizzard isn't doing the Draenei retcon, then the Eredar would be way, WAY too powerful to be a playable race.While Archimonde and Kil'jaeden were always the greatest of their kin, before the retcon they were absolutely in no sense atypical for Eredar and didn't receive any special power for Sargeras. They were always that powerful. Remember that in this version, THEY corrupted Sargeras, not the other way around. A playable pre-retcon Eredar would essentially be playing as a living god. They're the great arch-devils of the Burning Legion.
>>750213736Blizzard wants you to play a Paladin, not a Warrior.
I can't decide what I wanna play manI think I'd rather play mage but my friends are playing lock/priest/druid so I'm debating going huntter or something for a better gear splitI'm so torn
>>750213583>just afking battlegroundsor... you could actually not be a faggot and fight.
>>750213768You know, I see this argument all the time but did you people actually play WCIII? There are regular Eredar creeps. They're really not that strong.
>>750213736dropping retail spells into forever is lazy, they mostly did it for healers
Wow is dead. I literally don't see anyone in vanilla, tbc, retail. None of it. Of course mop is dead but that's because it sucks. Basically wow is dead and forever is just going to split the community even more.
>>750213630I also donate money to streamers, they really need the money, they don't get nearly enough from Blizzard. You know how hard it is to pretend to care for hours? I'm not joking, that is actually impressive, that is a tough job, being a fake person, all day? I mean... that's rough.
>>750213583They actually did fix things based on some user complains and the game releases in two weeks, they might be able to fix that.
>>750213820>try hard in vanilla BG, spend a fuckload of gold on consumes >get the exact same rewards in the same amount of time as someone who sits at a node watching youtube If winning doesn't matter there's no reason for people to care or try
>>750213736the warlock class designer is the only barely competent onethe hunter class designer is a literal mongoloid
>>750213763It is Season of Discovery, while they were making season of discovery they began to wonder if they could do something more permanent, which is this.So it's just kind of the same thing, I don't know kinda lame, look forward to never hearing about WoW Forever a month from now.
>>750213791All 3 paladin specs are the worst current specs of their roles.>Holy is the worst healer>Prot is the worst tank>Ret is only beating ele shamanThe only viable spec is fucking holy dps.This is why the retarded>Hurr aggend loves paladinsMantra is moronic, he loves holy shock and fucking killed the class to force it.
>>750192429>wanting all of your characters to wear a shitty looking skirt foreverNagafags are legitimately retarded
>>750213876blizzard keeps fragmenting the milennial playerbase because they're running on fumes and nobody from more recent generations give a shit about any of the slop they put out (or their enjoyment is directly tied to the streamer they're orbiting)
>>750188687Chud. #BlueLivesMatter
>>750213979so you blame the game for you being a faggot? Just don't fucking play if you don't want to play the game. Fucking mental illness, holy shit
Any tier list of which class to pick?
>>750187336Friendly reminder that they unceremoniously removed tiddy physics after 22+ years. They're just gone.
Man I don't even enjoy runescape anymore. It's like everything sacred has to be ruined. I want to enjoy RS but nuscape is such utter slop. And shit like 2004scape is just as bad because it's ran by lgbt
>>750213842Not everything in the game was its absolute canon portrayal. There are also recruitable Pit Lords that are just hero units you can get from the Tavern.
>>750214068I think Blizzard has been more successful though than anyone else in keeping their 2000s product relevant.Halo for example utterly failed to transfer to younger people. Because it didn't have a huge streamer presence. Kids like streamers, and they need to see the streamers play their games, that's why Blizzard is going over the moon to incorporate them, very smart business move.If you can't make a good game, then, tricking people is the next best thing, just... trick 'em.
>>750214192https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXTgH1TrZx4Forgot the link :(
>>750187336you'll hate it in 2 weeks
>>750214245Only in multiplayer matches. The campaign is canon, not every skirmish game with your bros.
>>750214145This isn't smash brothers, so no. It's... so okay let me explain, so this is called an MMORPG. So basically what you do is you pick a character you want to play and then you play that and you you know? yeah."How but how do I min max with the best gui--" don't talk to me. don't speak. Go play retail.
>>750214145WinnersDruidShamanMage LockHunterWarrior (if prot)LosersRoguePaladinWarrior (if dps)Priest kinda (honestly more meh than bad)
>>750214145>want to succeed soloHunter, Mage>want to be invited to groupsAny healer spec that isn't Holy Paladin (they do about half as much as other specs, they got FUCKED by the Shockadin meme Blizzard is pushing)Any tankIt really depends on what you want to do, anon. PvP, PvE (solo? groups? raids? individual performance e.g. the best DPS, or what helps your group the most?). You could make 10 different tier lists.
I'll give it a go for 15 bucks for a month of entertainment. If it's shit I'm out though.
>>750214269Streaming is literally the cable of the modern generation. Once you see through the illusion it's unwatchable slop. I can't even watch streamers I used to like due to the increasing commercialization of the industry. You literally just get barraged with ads even if you have an ad-blocker, because of course you do. Seriously fuck streamers
>>750214468damn i wanted to play holy paladin, maybe i'll just pray for buffs
>that one anon who still plans on playing a Troll ("epic voodoo mon XD")>that one anon who still plans on playing a heckin' wholesome TaurenHope you've got some good friends willing to carry you, anons...
>>750211209This but unironically.
>>750214662Yeah you can't play holy Paladin, the person on 4chan said so, what a shame.Another terrible person who doesn't like RPGs has been added to the modern mmorpg playerpool.I can't find the bard sound effects from Dungeons & Dragons Online, they're so much fun and cool. The public should be aware of this.
Instead of WoW you know what I'm going to be playing?Hardcore main worlds on OSRS. Unironically looks kino.
>>750214665>tier list faggotrygo back to whatever other game you came from
Missed horde drama. What happen?
>>750214112>blame the gameput in a fucking ranked mode so people have a reason to actually be competitive
>>750214468>they got FUCKED by the Shockadin meme Blizzard is pushingIts deeply funny the only damage button in all 3 specs is in the holy tree.Its also deeply funny prot is 99% going holy instead of prot for holy shock since its the only decent scaling threat ability and the prot tree sucks dick.While rets also probably going holy shock since ret sucks ass.
>>750214662Paladin is Blizzard's sweet little child in Forever, we can be pretty sure they'll get buffed should Holy turn out as poorly as it's looking to>>750214786I encourage him to look things up himself, but Holy really is that bad currently, anon... Genuinely meme tier at the moment.
>>750214801Blizzard gutted every single horde racial because people were whining about orcs while giga buffing humans.
>>750214192>>750214273aint nobody playing this shit for the tit physicsfuck off rightoid grifter
>>750214665Troll Regen is incredibly powerful in PvP as was just shown in the dueling tournament
>>750214890>breasts = "rightoid"You people are obsessed with politics. I just like breasts, and it's said to see them nerfed after 20 years.
>>750214870>Paladin is Blizzard's sweet little child in ForeverPaladin is quite literally the worst class in forever by every single metric.Its so bad they had to remove salv as a blessing since raids werent going to have 3 people willing to play them in a 20 man
imagine unironically just not being able to go into the code and increase the damage of bad classes. if every class isn't viable you just have bad game design. it's that simple.obviously a meta will always exist but you never should've had to meta chase in the first place. it's bad game design.
>>750214906>bonus health regen is incredibly powerful>in a game where someone can literally kill you in 1 hitI mean you are right its incredibly powerful in a lvl 30 duel I guess
>>750187336It's like another retail timeline, but instead of continuing to BC after vanilla it's going to be woke from the outset. Sign me up.
>>750214870everything is meme tier at level 30
>>750214906That's level 30, the Troll regen racials scale very, very poorly with level, comically so in fact
>>750214665>dwarf S tier pvp???stoneform aint THAT good
>>750215048In what world do you think you're going to kill a troll priest in one hit at level 60>>750215104There is no evidence of that, also I'm pretty sure it does percentage based healing so it should be exactly the same
>>750214872Saw all the new stuff alliance side got (dalaran, new boat routes..) and horde got.. nothing... beside epic paladin? Why do they hate horde so much?
>>750215095I meant for beyond level 30, of courseLevel 30 metas don't mean a thing, I agree, that's why it's retarded just how many people are going Warlock because it's "OP"
>>750215048Real PVP is not getting windfury crit by a BiS gear warrior with world buffs. Please pull your head out of your ass
>>750215193>horde gets the strongest class in the game>alliance gets the weakest class in the gameblatant favoritism, why does blizzard hate ally so much?
>>750214796t. played a Draenei Hunter and never got into groupsIt's 2026, people aren't going to invite you if you're a shit class, spec, or even race.
>>750215174>>750215207*seduces you**soulfire crits you for 3000**shadowburn crits you for 1200*nuthin personnel mon
>>750214837there is a tiny tiny tiny chance ret capstone is actually fun and retarded and you can stack all seals at once for a huge melee swing
>>750215297the reality is that classic PvE content is so fucking easy that you can and could always do it with off-meta classesparsefags like yourself are pure cancerthankfully im playing on a RP server and we'll run raids off-meta as fuck and still complete them easily because the game is a cakewalk by design
>>750215409>assuming a priest would just be standing there obliviously>not pre-shielded>even so if one thing doesn't perfectly maxroll crit, the priest hits penance once and is back to 75% health
>>750215428>could always do it with off-meta>couldBut people won't. When will you get this in your head?>RP server>after the RP-PvP announcementRP-PvE is fucking DEAD, RP-PvP is going to leech 80% of its players. And RP-PvP is going to be terrible and become "PvP Server 2", like always.
>>750215409cool story, drakedog, maybe someday you'll discover what a pvp trinket does
>>750213763wow forever is sod with 5x the budgetthe guy in charge of the project is basically the world's most successful private server owner as he can do his personal rectons and not get C&Dd
>>750215532Nobody who's actually interested in RP wants PvP server rules anyway. So good for those RP nerds. I expect all the streamer refugees to be ruin immersion for them.
>>750215297i play a healer you retarded cunt, i get messaged for groups even when i'm not in LFG. go be fucking stupid somewhere else
>>750215417Its not, people had it in blizzcon.Its exactly as you think it would be.Honestly the main issue isnt even that twisting is shit and making the capstone is retarded though both of those are true, its you dont have good seals to twist without blood/martyr.So you are twisting fucking SoR with its 10% coef.They could have done what sod did and just make it so you can double seal rather than twisting them and it wouldnt change anything other than taking away seal maint. Which to be fair is all the spec has now.
>>750215532>But people won't.I'm sorry that you don't have friends or a guild but uh, yes, we will.
guilds are gonna be so desperate for shamans alliance side. aint gonna be nearly enough of them to go around, and once people realize how the lack of totems will cripple a parse there will be such an outcry.
how are people actually upset about rppvplike just don't play on it retard lmao>it's gonna split the playerbase!oh no now there will be 400 layers instead of 800!
>>750215756Probably going to make the second race pack a pretty race that can shaman for alliance.Baffling they didnt do it with blue elves.
>>750214068that's not just a problem for blizzardgen z and gen a all have personalities and interests of women and majority only follow their e-celeb trendsetters
>>750195225>Forever is Pay 2 WinNo surprise there.
I genuinely sigh when I realize that some people unironically enjoy blizzslop. I genuinely can't play WoW without going insane. It's so fucking boring man. Where did all the normal people go who can't play boring as shit games? It feels like it's an outlier to not want to be bored.
>>750215515>dang I didn't crit, guess ill deathcoil+sapper this guy >>750215589>trinketing seduceNGMI
>>750215717ye idk they put swing timers in and then remove basically anything involving themthey're probably gonna change that shit at some point and put something lazy in, like divine storm, instead of pushing the self buff theme
when you open the book on changes, arent people just gonna ask for the same things they did over the course of the expansions? people are still people, they will want the same changes that was made from vanilla all the way to retail.
>>750215942What 'fun' MMOs do you play?
>>750193351>Moving in a different direction>Also looks entirely differentThis has to be bait, why else would he spend 30 seconds on three button clicks.
>>750216076MMOs aren't fun so I don't play them.
>>750216076ESO
>>750216175SLAM!
>>750212102right is way better
>>750212178>I think it looks pretty good on orcsThat is because you are mentally retarded, they were also hit extremely hard with the HD "upgrade".
>>750215965Theres literally 0 spellpower mail in the game right now at level 30.Blizzard put zero thought into this class
>>750216049That was the problem with doing anything other than maybe some slight balancing to make all specs at least somewhat viable. When you open that door, you inevitably let in people calling for flying, X class to be added, M+, etc and I simply have no desire to have the current retail team making changes to vanilla. I went from very excited about Forever to probably won't play.
>>750216175so why'd you click on the thread?
>>750216049yesthere is a reason retail went the direction it didwe even saw it with 1st and 2nd go of classic
>>750213941>the game releases in two weeks, they might be able to fix that.
>>750216657>just wait for next patch
>>750216049The issue is they weren't balanced with their changes.Bear tanks are mogging Warriors and Pallies really hard because its literally wrath bears and the other two tanks didnt get anything close.Shamans and Druids got Riptide and Wild Growth making them insane healers and priests and paladins got jack shit.DPS is just a numbers game and you can have people like hunters who didnt get anything for their rotations if the numbers are high enough but tanks and healers are the shining example of how hard they fucked up with inbalanced changes.
>>750216714so what you're saying is that im a retard if i go ret paladin instead of enhance shaman
>>750216714hunter talents in vanilla and tbc were basically cosmetic : I'm fairly confident it's the class that loses the least by going 0/0/0 at max level, by a long shot
>>750216714sounds very in the spirit of vanilla actually
>>750216902Shockadin is solid, actual ret is dogshit.Honestly with how popular pally is and how bad all 3 specs are its probably going to get a facelift
I've only been following forever sporadicallythe beta just ended, but max level was 30?has anyone tested 31-60?isn't that just going to be a huge shit show? what does balance matter at 30 when you'll just hit 60 a few hours/days later?
>>750217004>Paladin class discord ownerIts truly vanilla era
>>750217027Paladins still have kings and salv. They could go afk after buffing and people would still bring them.
>>750187336Which class can do a cool unconventional playstyle, if that's a thing? I'm mostly going blind into World of Warcraft
>>750217115Not a day goes by that the discord tranny paladin mains aren't crying and threatening, and I say this as a paladin main since 2005. These people are pathetic.
>>750217115>pick the class with the best buffs and raid support in the entire game>can be dps, heal or tank>malds because is not the best in all threeill never understand paladin players
>>750217115i can't believe they're not putting effort into the lazy cashgrab
>>750217115Druid was the most unfinished class in vanilla.They didn't even bother with a quest for cat form (class quests ended at lvl 16)Druids talent trees all got massively overhauled post launch too, back when innervate and hurricane were capstone talents and feral was blatantly unfinished
>>750217335Warriors demanded mass suicide if they didnt change rageClearly worked for them
>>750217569>>pick the class with the best buffs and raid support in the entire gameShamans?
>>750218167they changed warriors or they fixed the rage bugs? those are different things>>750218202paladins have better buffs in classic, no idea how is gonna play in forever
>blue wave incoming>good games coming outIt's a sign...
I wanna play the game but at the same time I've never done real vanilla progression so I know nothing about how to play the game, and then on top of that I also have zero info on what they're changing besides the class changes. What do, where learn
>>750218279>giving money to Blizzard
>>750218279>What do, where learnJust play and find out. The way you're trying to approach the game is what killed MMO's in the first place.
>roll a healer>decide to run a dungeon>make a group in the group finder>instantly get bombarded with whispers from simps>"50s-2g entrance fee, all greens are reserved">invite only the highest level players who don't share my armor type>instakick and instareplace anyone who is not at the dungeon entrance>2-8g free gold, free carry, free greens to DE, no wait timeEZ game, EZ life.
>>750210268dps wars are immediate fuck off for me>warrior is a shit grind, die to 2 mobs>have to learn to tank to get groups>tanking is hard but stick with it and figure it out>fuck no I'm not lettting some faggot roll on my plate gear who didn't want to tank his own group
>>750218235>bugsWasnt a bugThey shit and pissed until they changed how rage gen worked to wrath
>>750217296>unconventionalSurvival hunter since you can move in and out of melee to weave shots, or shockadin which is set up to be a decent DPS with off healing capability. They're not really that unconventional, but they're probably the most removed from what was viable in vanilla.
>>750211209Tbh id rather run a modified mid/late game mc over anything to do with aq40. Whoever made aq40 needs to be shot that is the worst shit ever.
>>750215193the base vanilla world is hilariously biased towards the horde
>>750215193horde and warriors already got their spotlight during vanilla and again during classicnow it's time for alliance and paladins
