>be spear>king of the battlefield for centuries>completely overlooked in video gamesHow's that and which games has the best spear combat?
cant think of one that does the spear justice. game devs are retards
>>750190246I certainly won't say best spear combat per se, but spears are a pretty great weapon category in Morrowind.
>>750190842Even in Morrowind it's pretty underused. Like no class has it as favored skill, except for Warrior who has all combat skills. And even then that class have it as a minor skill.
>>750190246Arent spears the meta in zomboid?
>>750191175Ehh, big whoop when you can make custom classes.
>>750190246Cus spears are a military formation weapon and as such are kinda ass in the 1v1.Nobody carried a spear unless it was their job. Everyone who could afford it had a sword on their hip.
>>750191243Guess so, still it shows so little the devs thought about this weapon.
>>750190246That's the downside of being the "boring but effective" option.Katanas on the other hand are a dogshit weapon that thrive in media solely due to style points.
>>750190246I like this artist
>>750191267>kinda ass in the 1v1Modern HEMA nerds disagree (spear + shield, not huge 2-handed pike).
>>750191267Yeah, if you like spears, you should look into Total War series.
>>750191354No arguement there, especially when it disappeared as a type entirely after Morrowind. Damn shame.
>>750191213Not really. They break insanely fast and they gutted crits on them recently.
>>750191729Genuinly why?
>>750191427opinion so regurgitated it has mold on it
>>750190246>Sexy female """ historical""" """ warriors""".I am tired of this retarded shit.Gooners playing right into feminists hands.Foids belong on the backlines, nursing wounded soldiers, making food and reproducing new soldiers, not on the battlefield.
>>750191436Its indeed very transcoded, sis!
>>750193170
>>750190246a spear is just a sword on a stick
>>750193726and a halberd is just an axe on a stickwhat's your point?
>>750193726a sword is just a spear without stick.
>>750193726Plato>>750194181Socrates>>750194206Diogenes
>>750190246>How's thatAncient Romans are to blame. All else being equal, spear + shield has moderate advantage over sword + shield. But the Romans used sword + shield and won anyway because of superior logistics and training (more important than weapon choice). Probably some morale boost from using more expensive weapons too.
>>750191557>shield>for anything other than arrowsLmao HEMAfags, not even once
>>750190246>which games has the best spear combat?Age of Mythology. Fully upgraded hoplites are great.Plus, there's based Arkantos with his spear.
>>750191267>Cus spears are a military formation weapon and as such are kinda ass in the 1v1.Retards never fail to say this line. It's uncanny. Spears are incredibly good at duels.
>>750195198The Roman military was mostly cavalry and polearms. Historylets just like to focus on a specific type of shock troop and pretend it was the entire military or even a majority of it for some reason.
>>750193170This guys posting like hes living in Rome before the fallIts current year, chuddicus
>>750190246I like to hide behind my shield and poke everything with a spear in Fromsoft games :)
>>750195198Ah yes, the military that heavily featured spears to the point that it had the famous Hastati, an entire infantry division dedicated to that with a deeply autistic subdivision of different types of spears and javelins, is to blame for videogames supposedly not having enough spear combat.
Gladiusfags are weird. It's like they don't know that by the 3rd century AD that Rome completely phased out swords as primary weapons and everyone used spears instead (again). And that the gladius was never the primary weapon used by the majority of Rome's military not even during gladiusfag's precious Marian reforms (which they still don't really know anything about and keep asserting that it was a reform to make everyone use a gladius).
>>750197153blame asterix
Spears were "king of the battlefield" because they were extremely useful in formation with other spear wielders.When you're fighting all by yourself (as in 99% of video games) a sword is better.
>>750198131That isn't true. At all. Polearms are extremely adept at 1v1 or 1vMany fights.
So why are axebros cool getting the campiest and sloppiest of inclusions, while spearcucks are the whiniest faggots imaginable?
>things that never happened but i will say they did
>>750190246spear has longer range > it has to be weakened in other places so that players don't just use spears the whole time > damage is reduced because it's an easy number to change > people don't use spears because they do less damage and the range isn't enough to compensate for it
>>750196778Only obsoleted by plate armor.
>>750198291axe users are a type, and its either a viking, or some sort of barbarian. One handed, two handed, doesn't matter
>>750196778HEMAfags are delusional but you're just retarded.
>>750190694Crimson Desert is close I think
>>75019084299℅ of the time you want to stab with a spear. Obvious, right? Yet even in games like Morrowind or Mount & Blade that feature spears, 3/4 of your attack directions are swinging the damn thing like Little John with down syndrome.>>750190694>>750191267As for this cope, even "1v1 bad" claims were true, spears are dogshit in rts games like total war too.>>750190694Hopefully Claude does better.
>>750190694it was really fun in nioh
>>750198820Spears were often used for swinging, not just thrusting. That's why most of them have heads with sharp edges and not just a sharp point.
>>750199301Solid logic, little John. I guess knicking the enemy is just as good as piercing his heart to you. See you at the battlefield!
>>750199558Polearms have enormous kinetic energy when swung. It's not going to be a knick. It's a fact that many spears were designed for both thrusting and slashing.
>>750190694I like Dark Souls.
>>750199117the twist riposte thing is OP
>>750190246Tis a shame.
Alright /v/, name some of your favorite historical polearmsDESU my top favorite is probably the poleaxe, but I am obligated to draw attention to the many polearms used by Mesoamerican civilizations that never get features in anything because Mesoamerica is also almost never used in pop culture, and when it is people always exclusively focus on Macuahuitl
>>750200568The quarterstaff. It's not only the simplest weapon but also one of the most deadly. It was extremely popular during medieval times for not only sport but also combat. It was extensively featured in the tales of Robin Hood, even moreso than the bow. Probably the most underrated weapon in modern times.
>>750200568Goedendag!
>>750198236Wrong
>>750200737Actually the Mesoamericans used quarterstaffs too, see pic, but it's not shown in >>750200568 Frankly it might be more of a baton then a full polearm length quarterstaff, but it's hard to say for sure because the proportions in codex depictions tend to be stylized and given inconsistent lengths and proportions. Like sometimes atlatl darts (which are projectiles) are depicted as if they're full length lances used for melee combat. >>750200751Is there a specific name for non-full-length polearms like this? Not necessarily the Goedendag in particular, but just any that have a shaft/handle longer then like a mace or club, but shorter than a spear. They show up in Mesoamerican warfare too and I'm not sure how to describe them as a result.
>>750201060No
>>750190694Was fun in for honor ten years ago
>>750201289I don't think there's a particular name for it as far as I'm aware. Usually it's on an individual basis. Like Black Bills were around 5 or maybe 6 feet while forest bills were 8 or 9 feet.
Aoe2, steppe lancers have an extra range, throw cheap camels Infront of them to tank a bit and you have a cavalry shredderAlso a bunch of infantry units with the same thing gimmick of a 1 tile reach rangeAgain put cheap infantry units Infront of them and you get a group that just shreds through melee combatants cause you're fighting one row of units with 2 and the big damage dealers are bodyblocked by cheap inexpensive trash units
>>750194334heh
>>750190246This is the kind of girls we could have had in the new fire emblem but IS to go full pozzed and and filled the game with browns
I enjoyed spears in Chivalry, Total War Shogun 2 and Fire Emblem 7. Never really bothered with them in Morrowind except for early cheese. Warband/Bannerlord spears (not lances) are pretty good when on horseback for killing routing enemies. DS3 red hilted halberd is used like a spear 90% of the time and works great. BotW/TotK spears were fun to use for the multi-hit and then throw. Warband spear on foot was cancer. Mostly the issue is a weapon that just stabs tends to be boring to use, and when they add slash you wish they didn’t.
spears irl>most varied angles of attack>adjustable grip for different lengths on the fly>all sorts of diffent ends for specialized tasks>varies from short to ridiculously long>spinning, swinging, thrusting, crushing, slicing, tripping, pulling, pushing, grappling, pinning, choking, throwingspears in vidya>very slow poke>very fast poke>
Total war attila.Just spam them and you are good
>>750200568Jumonji yari
>>750190694Wo longNiohRise of the RoninShadow of romeGladiators Begins
>>750190694Dynasty Warriors and Samurai Warriors
>>750191267>theirhis*
>>750208275>spinning, swinging, crushing, slicing, tripping, pulling, pushing, grapplingyou cannot do these with a spear irl
>>750210806see >>750209850
Is bayonet a type of a spear?
>>750210806You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about but want to convince others that you do.
>>750210972Yes. Fags want gunswords to be real but what's really real is the gunspear.
>>750191267nah spears are legit in 1v1
>>750200568Not my most favorite per se but the roncone is a very terrifying weapon and I would hate to die horribly from one
Spear chads did this? How?? They didnt even have guns and tanks??
>>750190694I liked the spearplay for God of War: Ragnarok.
>>750211149Alexander was the original murderhobo. Gotta love him.
Metal Gear Survive
>>750190246>How's that and which games has the best spear combat?Spearhead 1&2ThalassophobiaWolfenstein 3D: Spear of DestinyNeon Genesis Evangelion N64 (for Spear of Longinus)
>>750198768Great game, great Spears, dont get the hate.
>>750190246>>750191436cute whos the artist?
>>750191427Counterpoint, "functionality" is not a real concept when it comes to a video game as it is entirely make believe in the first place so being a "functional" weapon has no bearing on what should be added to a game and looking cool is far more important than looking functional.
>>750211752ironlily
>>750190246I will NEVER hate Spears/Lances/Harpoons.
>>750191267This is a delusional swordfaggot btw
>>750190246Battle Brothers. Spear line is the most viable strategy early game.
>>750190246>be tranny>post yurislop
>>750211090What movie?
>>750190842>>750191175>>750191243>>750191354>>750191621>>7501988201. In Morrowind's data files you have meshes and textures for 4 spears: dwemer long spear, daedric long spear, nordic silver spear, stalhrim spear. Why those were not made and baked into the game - no idea.2. You will be using "use best attack option" anyway, so you will be poking with a spear anyway.3. Regarding Little John - the way you use staves IRL is nearly the same as they way you use a naginata/voulge/bardiche/poleaxe and even a spear. So yes, you can use a spear like you use a staff, except it has a sharp bit on the end that can poke and impale a target. And nothing stops you from swishing a spear to cut things with a blade. Unfortunately, the way spears are done in the game, especially damage ranges, do dirty to spears.The whole bit with spears in the game is that thrust animation is faster and easier on the eyes, and hit range is the longest of all weapons aside from staves (which are not that great damage-wise or durability-wise).
>heavier = stronger>bigger blade = bigger damage>weapons = 10lbs+>shield = strapped to forearm>slash > thrustvideo game logic vs reality
>>750210806You forgot to add choking on the list.How the fuck do you choke someone with a spear?>>750211090At 21 I asked why doesn't she attack her sides or legs.At 24 she attacks the sides of an opponent facing away and somehow does not wound.I wonder if there's a gunslop version of movie sword fights.>>750212206Truly is the tranime pipeline.
For me, it’s standing on a roof in Morrowind as an argonian and spearing guards to death
>>750214260>How the fuck do you choke someone with a spear?It's a long bar. You press it horizontally on their throat from the front or behind. You can literally crush their throat almost instantly. It's not complicated, retard.
>>750198820>3/4 of your attack directions are swinging the damn thingtry pressing up or down instead of left or right when attacking, little john. or if you're feeling particularly retarded turn on the "use best attack" function in the options menu if you can't parse your weapon attack type can be influenced by what moving your character in a certain direction.
That's cuz spears are ghay.
>>750214915Not as ghay as western comic artists making every woman have a manface
>>750190246outward had actual 'spear' moveset.super underrepresented weapon-class.
>>750214582Damn anon, you could do that with your arm.How are you going to do that on a battlefield and against a gorget?
>>750215214Damn anon, I wish you understood basic principles like leverage. How are you not drooling on yourself right now?
>>750214823Why did they make directional attacks and then have a single attack direction that's clearly better?
I have trained a lot with sticks, therefore I could kick your ass
Crudely drawn feet are cute but rl feet and high detail art are both gross
>>750215280>How are you not drooling on yourself right now?I don't use a spear.
>>750215280>How are you not drooling on yourself right now?Trick question. He is.
>fucking shoots youWhat now?
>>750215761You win.
>>750214970Obsessed with men.
Polearms are way cooler.
>>750214970>weeb complains about non-asian facial bone structuresGo fuck a porcelain doll or something.
>>750215761Have more men than they have bullets, or use meat shields, or shields made from a hard-enough metal, or use better ranged weapons.
Imagine seeing a woman and only thinking of cock.
>>750200568Gae Bolg
For me it's a guandao
>>750211123Having no familiarity with most weapons, I'm going to assume from the hook that thing was made to disembowel people. In which case yeah that's a really fucked up way to die.
>>750190246Spears are more difficult to animate than swords.As shrimple as that.
>>750217524No. It's made for yanking stuff like shields out of way so your mates can poke them.
>>750190246>king of the battlefield for centuriesMuh heckin phalanxes got raped & gaped by a bunch of guys with shortswords so hard the Greeks started adopted Roman equipment. And those were the "good", Macedonian-style phalanxes, not a bunch of peasants with sticks who in the ailed minds of spearsuckers could somehow stop cavalry charges.
>>750218258those guys with shortswords later got btfo by a couple of guys with spears so badly their entire empire collapsed LMAO
>>750218643>those guys with shortswords later got btfo by a couple of guys with spearsYou mean by thousands and thousands of cavalrymen and horse archers? Typical spearcuck levels of history knowledge.
>>750218947they lost. get over it.
>>750190246Are pilebunkers honorary spears?
>>750190246It doesn't look cool. Even the japs mostly ignore the spear and make samurai take the sword.
>>750219447Absolutely. >>750218258That isn't what happened. The Roman military was always predominantly polearms. Romans just stopped using the more rigid Macedonian formations.
>>750217760Yeah that checks out. I guess the long point on the other end would make it hard to get in deep enough to disembowel anything in hindsight.
>>750215304It's when you want to train weapon skills by repeatedly hitting the same target like mudcrabs or scribs who'd just get oneshot if you used best attacks on them
>>750219729Stuff like bushido and katanawank comes from the late tokugawa era japan when samurai were no longer fighting wars, were mostly just doing white collar work and so their martial arts became largely ceremonial and sportlike. The katana got romanticized in that sort of poser era.
>>750216775>Have more men than they have bulletsHow'd that go for Wakanda?
>>750190246Swords appeal to low IQ individuals
>>750200737>>750200751>>750201289>>750209850>>750211123>>750217365 I will add that if any of you who are informed on polearm classification have better names or labels for the polearms in >>750200568, please let me know and I will revise the image
Yes it's cool in dynasty warriors
>>750224275I would call the purepecha weapon a long handled axe. The long bladed tepoztopilli is a glaive. The codex rios glaive is more of a bardiche to me. Of course I wouldn't take my word as law but that's just my cursory opinion.
>>750190246Spears are easier to mass produce than swords, plus the elites were realky good at bragging about swords in all media of the time that translates to it dominating in today's media.
>>750198291meme weapon, axes weren't really a thing in actual warfare>but war axesalmost a totally different thing from hatchets used for woodcutting and such, which is how most vidya axes look
Swordfaggotry is overdone. It's boring. It's generic. It doesn't even make sense. Enough.
>>750190246for me? the pike
>>750219736Romans never used the macedonian phalanx(which was something very specific, it wasn't just a hoplite phalanx+) to begin with, and spears were mostly phased out the from the roman legions proper from ~100BC until around the the 3rd century.
Spears are pretty good in Nioh, I'd say.
Theyre pretty ass in Bannerlord too. Now lances + horse, THAT's a game changer.
This thread is pretty mean-spearited
>>750227428>and spears were mostly phased out the from the roman legions proper from ~100BC until around the the 3rd century.That isn't true to any degree.
>>750190694Dynasty Warriors
Even many of the Assassin's Creed games that had spears/polearms did well with them.
>>750228156This is literally what happened. Legionaries proper didn't have specific spears for close combat(they had 2 heavy javelins, which could theoretically used in such way, like how Caesar did, but he also noted that was unusual), with spearmen in the roman being composed of auxiliary troops.
>>750190246>king of the battlefield for centuriesheh, nothin personnel kid
>>750190694Spear in GOW: Ragnarok was pretty cool.
>>750211090>>750212501Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. One of the wuxia movies that got HUGE global recognition when it released in the 2000s. Along with "Hero" (Jet Li tells a Rashomon-style tale to the First Emperor of Qin about how he dealt with several master assassins from other kingdoms, one of which is spear userAlso one thing that I found interesting in the clip anon has there from Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon is that the super-sword being used (ineffectively, she's good but not great and stole the super-sword) by the younger woman is a "jian" (aka the taichi/wushu sword usually seen as as pivotal to chinese martial arts as the katana is to the soul of japanese ones) but the elder women there (who you may note is very, very famous now) is using a "dao", the broadsword that is seen as much easier to learn to use and requires less skill to use at a similar level. I always thought it was kind of interesting they had 2 chinese swords and one was always seen as the lesser of the two in terms of purity/skill of swordsmanship
>>750190246In order for a spear to be a good weapon you would need to design your video game combat to not be>swing your weapon down/to the side and the enemy takes damage>spin the spear like a helicopter blade and just slice up the enemyCreating video game combat where a spear would work is too much effort, spears need too much discipline to use and a random gamer doesn't care about things like optimal range, or hitting with the blade of the spear. They just want to swing and hit an enemy.
>>750215761>bayonet on the endThat's a spear with extra steps.
>>750190246spear is irrelevant when you have enough armor to not be stabbed by it. thats why they arent in video games, because everyone as hit points.
>>750228586>This is literally what happenedNo it isn't. The pilum was not just used for throwing, which a common misconception from outdated academia, and the more melee oriented spiculum eventually replaced them. Either way, your claim is ridiculous seeing as A) the legions were not the majority of Rome's forces and B) legions still used spears. Spears were very much a dominant weapon during any phase of ancient Rome.
>>750229389If a spear can't punch through it then a sword is going to be doubly useless.
>>750190246I know this is a thread for action stuff but I really liked the Highlanders in Etrian Odyssey stuff.Also, the Spear (and most variants of it) is ridiculously good in both Shining Force and Fire Emblem, because it's a ranged weapon that can be equipped by cavalry units and also attack at melee range.
>>750229208>what are zoner mains Literally even a basic game like dark souls has sweet spot mechanics on its scythes. It really wouldn't be a problem for a game to implement on every weapon. It's not like you're asking to put hooking on axes.
>>750229531thats why knight on knight combat were wrestling matches and they would hold the sword by the blade and bludgeon each other
>>750229687>yeah we just carry these useless things around until we roll with each other on the groundYou're fucking retarded. That does reflect reality. Fuck off with your dudebro medieval history.
>>750229774>no argument
for me, its the naginata
>>750190694FUCK your 2000 years of technological advancementsFortified phalanxes in Civ1 are ultimate beings.
>>750190694mordhau
>>750229687Sword is too big to be an ideal grappling weapon. Standard armor-piercing weapon to finish off a downed knight was the rondel dagger. Breaks mail and squeezes through gaps in plate.
