Why are AIbros so opposed to disclosing the use of AI?
>>750198842Because trannies are psychopaths and aren't afraid to kill.
Just assume every big company is using it from here on in because they are
A lot of them are jeets and since ai != Coding they need to save izzat by not disclosing the fact they can't code
>>750198902This. I'm an indie dev and actually got death threads from them because my early access game has AI assets for place holdersVery deranged people
seething tranny thread #36423643235.5
>>750198842>Why are AIbros so opposed to disclosing the use of AI?
>>750199529Anything would be better than ai placeholder art. You are communicating that your game is worthless by using them.
>>750198902fpbp
>>750198842AI is fascist and transphobic
>>750198842literally a humiliation ritual. if the ai does a shit job you can tell and post a review about it. if you can’t tell that ai was used then it isn’t an issueIts just luddit3s being annoying little faggots
AI is literally communism, anyone who disagrees has less IQ than an LLM.
>>750198842>why do you need AI disclosure when you can supposedly spot AI slop miles away?
>>750198842Why are you so determined that it needs to be disclosed?I don't really mind disclosure if it doesn't get in the way of the content.It is still annoying the the government thinks it's their job to be annoying when I already follow reasonable approaches for what I do.
Because despite their spiting hatred for creatives, they desperately want to be seen as one. Every single AI advocate, in reality, is a failed artist or coder who did not want to put in the effort of learning their craft. They only want the fame and fortune of being 'la creatividad'.
>>750199529>AI assets for place holdersopen paint and throw some silly looking shit together. thats about ten thousand times more soulful and only slightly more effort
>>750198842>PLEEEEASE DISCLOSE SO I CAN DOXX YOU! PRETTY PLEASE???
>>750200675>making a shit drawing in paint takes more effort than prompting a shitty one 1/10 got me to respond
>>750200612There have been like 100+ threads about this topic in the last few weeks, and the *only* people who express hatred of any sort are the anti-AI folks. People who use AI couldn't give a fuck.
>>750198842Because they want to take gigantic lazy shortcuts but don't want to be criticized for it. Really simple.
>>750199529If you don't have content ready for early access, then you shouldn't be in early access. This shit is barely a step away from just putting someone else's game in your early access build as a "placeholder." Go fuck yourself, scam clown.
>>750198902lmao this faggot is afraid of trannies lmaooooo what a gaylord
>>750200896>People who use AI couldn't give a fuck>luddite>imaginary trannies>you will be replaced hahaAre you sure about that?
>>750201281>If you don't have content ready for early access, then you shouldn't be in early accessremind me what's the definition of "early access" again?
>>750201534Yes, actually. >ludditeThe people who fear the AI are literally being luddites. >imaginary trannies The word tranny means "person I think is retarded" on /v/. It's a term that gets used to refer to literally everyone. >you will be replaced haha To be fair, I have a hard time imaging anyone who avoids using AI being able to compete in the tech sector. The AI doesn't replace human labour; it replaces humans who shouldn't have gotten their job to begin with.
>>750198842Because they know it's not popular, just like why leftists are so opposed to disclosing how woke their games are until release.
>>750198842because AIfags are subhuman NPCs and they know that actual humans don't want their soulless brown slop
>>750201867>leftists are so opposed to disclosing how woke their games are until releaseSince when? From what I've seen, they usually revel in making chuds seethe by announcing it loudly and proudly long before anyone has even played the game. People who use AI aren't trying to make a fucking political statement kek. They use it because it makes it possible to do things they otherwise would not have done.
>>750202127>Since when? From what I've seen, they usually revel in making chuds seethe by announcing it loudly and proudly long before anyone has even played the game.They never do it in trailers or promotional material. Devs will sperg out on twitter and give the game away but the majority of people never see that.
>>750198842Because anti-AI retards shit themselves over even the most minor & reasonable AI use cases because muh water or some shit
>>750202672Yeah, I guess. Either way, I don't think comparing AI usage to "woke content" is reasonable. The only people who think these things are related are facebook-tier retards.
>>750200796typing three words into a prompt is objectively less effort than drawing a picture in paint
>>750203141They aren't being compared in and of themselves. They're being compared how by how people try to mask them because they're unpopular.
>>750203167>objectivelyJust pulling up the image gen website takes longer than this
who could have thunked that leftists would end up being hypocritcal elitists when it came to aiai literally enables the most retardedest of human beings to create works on par with creatives in fields not limited to images and music but also programming which requires many years of education AND a high intelligence level to understand and implement yet leftists insist on gatekeeping, preventing and shaming any and all use of aiwhat happened to controlling the means of production? does it not count if it isnt controlled by a totalitarian government intent keeping its member enslaved to its system?they act as though machine learning is some kind of abomination when even human learning is verily similar to it - all things created by humans end up being derivative of previous ideas yet when ai does it, it should be destroyed for plagarism and intellectual theft, which is also hilariously ironic because leftists push for the destruction of protections of intellectual propertytheir entire ideology is exposed as a sham simply because of ai
>>750203232Alright, yeah, fair enough. Can't argue with that. I use AI for everything. Last thing I'd do anytime soon is disclose that information. Would rather it come to light later on.
>>750200896>the *only* people who express hatred of any sort are the anti-AI folks.Who the fuck do you think you're fooling?
>>750199616Heavy AI signals low effort and skill to me. Low skill is fine but not low effort and not both.
>>750203353thats not a placeholder, thats a squiggly line. what exactly are you arguing for
>>750203836it's a drawing. Sorry you don't have the imagination to see it as such.
>>750198842Indians can't disclose it because of how important Izzat is to their culture and individual personalities, every move they make has to be about either boosting their reputation or covering their ass.Jews won't disclose it because they're using AI to artificially speed up their Chabad/Mosiach prophecy (since they wore out gentile goodwill towards them within 80 years like they always do), can't let the goyim catch on to that.Western AI tech bros (salespeople, engineers, developers, etc) won't disclose it because it destroys the notion that they're hard workers that are instrumental to their employers/clients success, and if that happens they can't be totally sick like Jordan Belfort bro and like party hard as fuck while LARPing as Christians, stoics, or whatever bullshit they're on at the time.Every sane person that isn't from the three groups I listed above will either disclose it or isn't using AI at all.
My problem isn't using AI: it's that the people who use AI have no taste, tact, or otherwise actual creative mindset and the aesthetic just looks like fucking garbage.
>>750203951>disclose it>get shit on nonstop by retards >reputation is irreparably destroyedOR >don't disclose it>nothing happensYeah I think I'll avoid the first one. In 2026, most people on the internet aren't very smart. By the time anyone notices AI was used, the entire "anti AI" thing will be so unpopular that it'll end up being dismissed entirely as schizobabble.
>>750204146>Yeah I think I'll avoid the first one. In 2026, most people on the internet aren't very smart. By the time anyone notices AI was used, the entire "anti AI" thing will be so unpopular that it'll end up being dismissed entirely as schizobabble.
>>750204146>My reputation will be destroyed if I am honest, therefore I will deceive people and hope they won't noticeTotally normal behavior, nothing to see here
>>750204049Back when the DALL-E 3 threads first started, there were a lot of anons with creativity who made some really awesome images. Then with time they left the threads and the only people left were the same 4 retards posting the same 4 images and yelling at each other kek.Also, there is literally nothing unusual about the vast majority of people being tasteless. "pearls before swine", as they say.
>>750204297>muh honesty lmao yeah because that's stopped people from smear campaigns before, right? I every post I have ever seen by "anti AI" anons are completely dishonest wank about "muh human spirit" or some shit. Fuckers don't even know how to draw and yet they dare act like they are authorities on good taste. It's beyond absurd.
>>750203508alternatively anti-ai crowd could easily be plants from competing nations intent on well poisoning to prevent mass adoption of american based ai simply because their masters cant catch up and need to pull every dirty trick they can to prevent a total american monopoly of the ai technologies
>>750204568this seems more plausible to me than people on 4chan of all places refusing to use new tech. no one is ever gonna convince me that using AI is bad. they'd have a better chance of convincing me that vidya is bad kek.
>>750204389>anons with creativity who made some really awesome imagesThey didn't have the artistic ability to create the things that they used an AI to generate for them. That's not creative at all, anybody can use their imagination, art is having the skill and will to use a medium to express that to others. That's worse than dictating a book to someone that can write write well because you suck at writing.
Actually everyone WANTS AI (don't look at the numbers tho)
>>750204727Dude, none of your fucking mental gymnastics and moral posturing will ever amount to anything lmao. I'm good at drawing and I like using the AI. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who refuses to use it is literally fooling themselves. And that also means (You).
>>750204520What are you talking about with smear campaigns? You are literally suggesting hiding your behavior because people knowing the truth is bad for you. That's not a smear campaign, that's being a fraud because you don't like the consequences of being found out.You can lie to people and scam them and get away with it if you don't agree with the morals of your customers, but there's no need to sugarcoat it and act like a victim.
>>750204874>I'm good at drawingsure you are pal
>>750204884>fraudThis here is the part that makes it a smear campaign. You fundamentally misunderstand how the AI works and refuse to understand it, so I have no intention of disclosing that information to you, lest you give me bad press over something that you are literally too dumb to comprehend in any realsitic way. If you don't like the game itself then that's one thing-- that's a legitimate reason not to want to play it. But writing it off simply because the dev used AI to write code, make art, write music, or make assets is fucking absurd. 99% of gamers are too fucking stupid to make good decisions about anything, so I'll make the decision for them instead. Deal with it.>inb4 admit you're a bad personOk, I'm a bad person. Won't change anything.
Everything they say is smokescreen. They don't want you to know they use AI because they feel entitled to your money, despite not doing anything to earn it. They know full well that if they said they made their game/art/content whatever with AI that consumers are less likely to buy it. These people do not care about what they do, nor do they even care about AI. It is solely a means of getting money, nothing more. If they actually liked AI, they would not give a shit about having to label it as such.
99.999% of AI generated content is low quality. Text, visuals, music, UI design. It's natural for consumers to want to filter it out and only find the high quality media they're interested in. We were already inundated with sloppa before the AI era and it's much worse now. It's exhausting to sift through the shitheap in search of greatness.Code is another matter. I don't think you should have to disclose AI use there, or at least not in the same way as with creative assets. Most code is just functional and AI does a good job with it (when guided by an intelligent human).
>>750205035one of these days, i need to finish this. i swear i've been posting the same unfinished drawing for years now.
>>750205126I already have more than enough games for a lifetime. Something that a person couldn't even be bothered to make is not entering my already crowded queue. So yes, I am writing off your AI sloppa.
>>750205201>It's exhausting to sift through the shitheap in search of greatness.Surely you must realize how pretentious you sound.
>>750204874>mental gymnastics and moral posturingYou mean facts?>I'm good at drawingI don't believe you and have no reason to.
I dont mind being forced to reveal if I use AI if other companies will reveal how many jews are directing their project
>>750204520>you have to know how to rebuild an engine to say a car is on fire>you have to know how to lay bricks to say a house's exterior is falling apart>you have to be able to re-create the Mona Lisa to dislike AIlmao you are retarded as fuck>>750204649AI is bad because resources are finite and AI is disproportionally using those resources without the gains to justify it. Future generations are getting cucked hard because people have porn addictions and want to put a skateboard mode in RE4. It's insanely jewish behavior fucking over future humanity for the sake of novelty. >yeah but I don't care about the futureThen kill yourself now. Plenty of people better than you gave a shit about your ability to live a good life. Fucking disgrace of a human.
>>750205276>you didn't make it Lol ok
>>750205383People don't want to play your slop any more than they want to play the thousands of Unity asset flips of the 2010s.
>>750201846>The word tranny means "person I think is retarded" on /v/people keep trying to use it as a generic insult like that and it's uhhhhh way too specific for that, it gives away the plot that somebody is seething their fucking head offit is not a generic insult
>>750205414>I don't believe you and have no reason to.Here's an example of my work >>750205268. You can stop pretendlng you've ever been right about anything now.
AIjeets will defend this
>>750205551You homos are so disingenuous at every turn. My options are not limited to either playing Unrealslop or AIslop and you know it.
>>750205449>you will live a bad life because of AIOh that's funny, my life has improved significantly because of it. I suppose you expect me to believe that isn't true either? Lmfao
>>750199529wow based
>>750205559>tranny is not a generic insultIs this literally your first day on this website?
>>750205665I never said you would live a bad life you 80IQ nigger. I said your lifestyle is robbing others of their own. But if you own hedonism is all you care about may I suggest bumping 5 lines of coke and downing a bottle of whiskey?
>protests, strikes, unions, etc. from the last five years are all trying to stop AI because muh jerbs>absolutely did jack shit and you have to go back to the usual us vs them tacticsKek.
>>750203930your line rider map sucks ass my dude
>>750205665get back to us when you're done training the ai that will replace you
>>750205762>using AI is the same as doing 5 lines of coke and downing a bottle of whiskeyFucking kek you are really too cute, anon.
>>750204389I guess what I'm getting at is that a lot of those types don't take the time to understand why things look or sound a certain way to elicit a response and miss the mark. Nor do they have an understanding of the idiosyncrasies which give character to something, which ends up making it look fake. My art hobby is photography. Even modern lenses are imperfect and you still get things like chromatic aberration. The imitation CA that this shit (and game engines, too) produces is just flat out ugly and is offensive in some ways. Like, we spend ungodly amounts of money to get hardware that reduces these effects and they're still preferable to the ersatz version.
>>750201867This, Linus Turdvalds hates that others call his kernel vibecoded so now they can't disclosure if a commit is AI made or not.
>>750205656You can play good games. That's what everyone wants, which is why they filter out AIslop.
>>750204049the technology is a match made in heaven for them, AI can't produce anything with taste, tact or creativity. everything has an identifiable "sheen" or plastic-ness to it when AI generates an image and its choices of grammar and diction give away that it's a machine when it generates text. my fervent hope from all of this is that not only are tech elites left penniless and out to dry after the AI bubble pops, the iran conflict leaves us without the fuel for them to try and fly away to europe or asia, and they're hunted down like wild animals across the countryside for their brainless decisions to try and make star trek replicators real because they're loser posers, but also my hope is that we get way younger politicians that aren't immediately fucking ensorceled by a machine that can't do anything but push out turds that vaguely look like the inputted text and speak to us like a weasely middle manager
>>750198842because they're liars
>>750205831Whether you're just actually this dumb or are just pretending to be, you're still a massive faggot either way.
>>750205826I've been told by lunatics on 4chan that I was gonna get replaced by machines for the last 15 years. At this rate, by the time I'm dead it might actually come true.
yummy
>>750205585>I'm good at drawing, dude!>See, here's a pencil sketch that anybody that took art class in middle school can make!So, no actual art that you've made? Nothing that's finished, nothing that you couldn't have just traced or copied from somewhere else? I mean the sketch itself doesn't look freat either, even if it is unfinished. Every post about your thoughts on AI versus art are you tattlinh on yourself as some hack retard, and then the one thing you post as proof that you have any talent is something any 12 year old could do. This is really embarassing, and I can now say with 100% certainty that you aren't white.
>>750198842The funniest thing about it is that it perfectly aligns with troon narrative.They hate being called out troons (and forced to go to men toilet) which is what "made with AI" is basically means. It's literally saying that you have to go to male bathroom.Then they say how AI is indistinguishable which is basically the same as saying they they "pass" as girl which they obviously don't, just like ai doesn't.If AI was so good you wouldn't be able to distinguish it from human made product. This would make all the AI labeling obsolete since there would be no way to prove it.However despite what AI jeets claim it simply doesn't pass. Everyone sees it's done with AI, it's a slop, just like troons who don't pass.
>>750205917I accept your concession. I'm smarter than you, better-looking than you, more talented than you, and more well-connected than you. And I use AI. If you were smart, you'd start using it too. Baka.
>>750205716no, which is the problem. it's been ten years of retards yelling TRANNY JEET TRANNY JEET TRANNY JEET all day and these insults are still so specific that they glow in the dark. there is no dissemination to the rest of the internet as a generic insult across facebook posts and random message boards. the only people that adopted it off 4chan are 4chan larpers on twitter who spam inflammatory crap for engagement to get pennies in their fucking mud hut in albania
>>750198902>everyone who's against slop is a trannysloppers and trannies truly are different sides of the same coin of absolute delusion lmao
>>750205973You're gonna have to do better than that, anon. Post some of your own work, perhaps? Or maybe you don't have any because you can't draw for dick and are jealous of me for mogging the fuck out of you and also using AI at my leisure? KEK
>>750204146You don't need to hide what you are doing. Who cares if some people don't like what you are doing? You can't make everyone happy. But i bet most people will hate your for lying. They will discover what you are doing was using AI. You can't fool everyone.
>>750206091trying to tie the use of AI slop to the culture war is probably the best anti-AI argument anybody could accidentally make
>>750199529>I want to put zero effort into something but be praised for it but instead people tell me it sucks. maybe if I'll lie about receiving death threats I'll garner some sympathy thoughloser
>>750206098>>750205973Both of you are stupid and wrong. Art isn't about mogging others or being "better" at it, it's highly subjective. Art is, among a lot of other things, about messing about and experimenting and having fun with the process. Genning art has next to no process, if you think rephrasing things and tweaking a prompt is expressing the process of discovery, then you have some serious mental inadequacies. What both of you have in common is damaged egos.
>>750206191My game will be good, so no one will be mad at me for anything. I will hide that I used the AI because it is good strategy, one with 0 consequences because I will take the time to ensure that everything looks "handmade". It's a lot easier than you may think, anon. Only the laziest pieces of shit on earth would leave evidence of the AI being responsible for making their entire game.
>>750199529>because my early access game has AI assets for place holderswwwwwwwwhy?placeholders aren't supposed to be mistaken for finished assets. it's why they're called placeholders
>>750204146tech so awesome you have to hide like a rat that you used it otherwise people will rightfully assume you took every shortcut there was and put zero effort in so they ask themselves why they are supposed to pay for that slop in the first place lmoa
>>750199529>indie*indian
>>750201846>The people who fear the AI are literally being ludditesPeople don't fear AI, they dislike what it produces. Slop is slop.>The word tranny means "person I think is retarded" on /v/. It's a term that gets used to refer to literally everyoneNot in context, it's often used to signify that anyone opposed to an idea is a leftist, artist or whatever gay shit that AIbros are using to win common ground with anons.>To be fair, I have a hard time imaging anyone who avoids using AI being able to compete in the tech sector. The AI doesn't replace human labour; it replaces humans who shouldn't have gotten their job to begin withTo some extent I agree. Code monkeys will be replaced with people that actually know how to read and understand code rather than shit out low effort code at top speed.>>750205716he's right tho
The other thing I noticed is that AI content actually adds TOO much detail in many cases. I think that might be why some AI images look "dirty".
>>750206331>art is this thing i say it is because i am a pretentious wankstain Post your art, anon. The fact that you don't think there is a competitive aspect to drawing is part of the reason why I believe you will fail to meet this challenge.
>>750206457AI doing that makes total sense when you remember it's trained on overly-wrought "realistic" crap that trends on artstation
>>750206395>literally everyone uses it >people still shit their diapers when it is mentioned publicly Blame yourself and the people like you for us having to live in a world like this, anon.
>>750206098>Y-you have to qualify yourself to criticize me!I don't, and neither does anybody else. You haven't done it either. Your only arguments have been that everybody else must be failing at what they do to criticize your use (or anybody's) of AI, yet we know nothing about your "work," or even what you use AI for, aside from a shitty sketch on printer paper. You have nothing.>moggingThanks for outing yourself as a zoomer wagie. Summer is over, newfag.
>>750206464Yeah, art can be competitive but the fact that so many artists do not engage in competition prevents it from being inherently competitive or about being someone's better. You are better than me on a technical level, I don't mind, I doodle for my own enjoyment.
>>750204146kek got the trannies heated
>>750206525>everyone uses it but everyone is also mad when they find out you used ityeah right
>>750206246The internet culture war is entirely at fault for all the arguing and debating and hating over AI shitif people were less retarded we would be able to arrive at a perfect consensus. ai good for this, bad for that. jeets making shovelware le bad. real developers using it as a tool le good. open source commits by clueless jeets and idiots is le bad. massive positive and well tested contributions that take massive busywork that can be automated with ai le good.instead we have this shit that is entirely caused by the faggiest people on the planet having an inherent nonsensical hateboner against anything using generative AI in any context and think its to blame for all their problems and carrer and is destroying their art and culture. It creates the typical endless domino effect where people who oppose them can endlessly ragebait them, because they are the easiest people to ragebait on the planet. Good luck openly talking about generative ai in games/art related fields in a reasonable manner because now everyone is either "raging seething tranny" or a "retarded jeet who wants to flood everything with garbage" with zero in between
>>750206601>too afraid of trannies to disclose his ai usageOh no, the axewound is screeching on twitter, woe is me! I can't pay for my tokens!
>>750206525>literally everyone uses itI don't use it because I think everything that it shits out fucking sucks. what now?>when it is mentioned publiclypeople don't want to pay for something that took zero effort to produce, and I agree with them
>>750206636You really haven't been paying attention at all if you don't think most of society is just built on hypocrisy lol This goes way beyond the scope of AI.
>>750206563I mean sure, you can criticize me without qualifiers, but what would make you think I'd take it seriously? Lol >oh noes, some retard who can't even draw is telling me that my really good drawing is actually really bad :( he must be telling the truth! it's UNTHINKABLE that he'd attempt to bring me down out of jealous spite. absolutely unthinkable!
I am innocentI am correctI am perfectIt's everyone else's fault that they're mad at me. It's not my fault. It can never be my fault.
>>750206395>>750206525>>750206636unironically a billion of the most successful game releases lately used ai for programming or assistance with a lot of things, they dont disclose it because why would you? its missing sales for no reason
>>750206726"everyone supports it in secret" is such a fucking generic right-wing talking point that it's embarrassing
>>750206767>it's real in my mind
>>750206687I agree with you but good luck trying to be a centrist on anything, you just get lynched by both sides and the other centrists respect you enough but not enough to save you.
luddites are going to cry and shit themselves until death. Meanwhile I will make ai games and mods like god intended.
>>750206767yeah i do recall world of warcraft pretty blatantly vibecoding expansions and patches recently and they're all buggy shitheaps that nobody likes
>>750206781Did you miss the part where I said it goes beyond the scope of AI? Also you're fucking retarded for thinking that other anon literally meant EVERYONE. Like aspergers autism levels of retarded. I even said in my post that it's "most" of society. Sorry, I get this reply probably has too many words for you, so I'll wrap it up.
>>750199529> I'm an indie dev and actually got death threadsThen stop replying and close the window.
>>750206716>I don't use it because I think everything that it shits out fucking sucks. what now?Oh wow, some idiot who has never produced a single fucking thing in his entire life doesn't use the greatest tool of all time? s a s u g aasuga
>>750206601Trannies also try to hide what they are lol
>>750206767>They asked Google something and glanced at the ai reply at the top?>Yeah, they basically used ai to make the whole game
>>750198842same reason AI features that are creeping into all apps are enabled automatically and the opt-out is hidden
>>750200896>post random art>AI fag "improves" it>gloats about AI "art" being better and artists becoming jobless
>>750206974>ad hominem>strawman>a glorified chatbot is the greatest tool of all timenever go full retard anon, even as a joke. concession accepted regardless
>>750199697Because of these types
So what's the end goal of the anti ai crowd? Are they just going to screech on the internet until they get replaced or actually do something?
>>750206986kek. this kills the slop shilloid
>>750206941>i don't know how conceptually huge "most of society" is and i got irrationally upset you thought "most of society" meant effectively everyonespeaking down to somebody when you have a hard time comprehending your own words is funny
>>750198902I thought you guys were suppossed to be the ones that aren't afraid to kill and constantly want to kill them?
Your whole worldview changes when you realize a lack of (You)s means they are unable to refute your point.
>>750206636>he doesn't work
>>750207138>sheesh, can you like... just not??Hey. Basically, I'm just not gonna buy AI generated garbage... I know.... UGH I know..... I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's just that I'm not gonna buy it is all HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
>>750207086Post 5 examples. >>750207087>c-concession a-accepted, b-baka!KEK Too cute.
>>750198902>Trannies can physically kinn anyone.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!I'm dying, anon!Good one.
>not a single good ai game posted yetAll ai threads should just be moved to /g/ at this point
I'd rather a dev be open about their AI use and to what degree. Show me what you did with the AI and I'll decide from there if I want to give you my money, it's a hair better than being lied to, no one likes that.
>>750207360>>not a single good ai game posted yet
>>750207408>>>good
>>750207178Who told you that? Chuds are decent people.
>>750207138Basically. I mean, this fella right here is basically their champion >>750207256, so it's safe to assume that impotent screeching is what they'll do for the next 5 years or so.
>>750206809if you were actual friends with game developers youd be able to see them openly talking about thisIts also kind of obvious seeing a billion different games suddenly doing major engine overhauls and technical overhauls and optimizations as soon as the claude models had that insane breakthrough. You know, specifically the tasks that AI is actually really good for. but you know, you do you>>750206939theres a big difference herePeople who actually admit to using AI are the ones who made some garbage where its completely undeniable and they have no choice but to admit it.People who actually make good functional shit have it entirely imperceptible, so theyre not going to comment on shit, because its just bad PR for no reason>>750206992AI programming has gotten good enough for you to do some very significant overhauls to engine stuff in high quality. Let me give you a practical example. LUAJIT has many reasons to not have a parallelized garbage collector, its entirely fair. But many of its users WOULD greatly benefit from having that optimization, among others, specially game creators. If you have enough credits you can genuinely just go ahead, properly harness it, and have it make your own fork with your own optimizations specifically for your own usecase.Essentially:AI is dogshit for this>actual creativity>level design, content design>programming the specifics of the gameplay mechanicsAI is amazing for this>technical things >busywork that you know how to do, can describe how to do, but takes dozens/hundreds of hours of busywork, and is within the ability of an automated model to grasp and do it for you>making actual functional overhauls to the work you are borrowing from other people>optimizing the shit you have already done in any area that doesnt have a direct effect on gameplay
>>750207408>poster child of "good AI game" is one that used it for a handful of background posters, and removed them after being called outThis is what they mean when they claim everyone uses AI.
>>750207462if they were decent people they wouldn't be chuds
>>750207394How about I tell you nothing and you buy the game anyway because you're an idiot?
>>750207173But most of society does not mean everyone. Would you rather get fucked in the ass most days of the week or every day of the week? Same thing according to you.
>>750199529You deserve it.
>>750198842OP gets it.
>>750207556if you had a point at all you wouldn't be getting hung up on the semantics of whether "most of society" means a figurative (that means non-literal) "everyone"
Deep down AI frauds know they have no skill, no talent and that the things they command AI to steal have no artistic value.
>>750205126>that's a legitimate reason not to want to play itWhy would I need a 'legitimate' reason to not want to play something? It's my time and my money being spent, isn't it?
>>750199616>>750200675>>750201281>>750205685>>750206253>>750206406>>750206949>>750207581>>the tolerant left
>>750207470>newfag redditor is a pretentious slop shilloidlike in clockwork lmao
>>750207653Woke 2.0 is crazy!
>>750204389>shitting out DALL E images>creativity
>>750207620Lol yeahPurists are sure showing everyone what they're capable of by doing nothing but virtue signaling on the internet 24/7.
>AI fags
>>750207653kek >>750206246
>>750207517>If you have enough credits you can genuinely just go ahead, properly harness it, and have it make your own fork with your own optimizations specifically for your own usecase.fucking thisAI lets you completely skip having to bother with all the letdowns of open source trannywareyou can just go yo claude, look at this shit, overhaul it for my OWN needs to work with my OWN functionalities, zero fucks given to any other context.and it works! you did improvements that would have taken you months of work within a weekend, now your shit runs better or whatever, you can go back to focusing on the more fun things.
>>750203819Why can't the game as released speak for itself? Sounds to me like you are afraid accidentally appreciating something made using AI and want a thought terminating sign to signal when to not critically observe.
>>750207727everybody always crops off the actual MIT ph.d holder indian asking "What" at the bottom
>>750207713>fundamentally does not understand what creativity is >>750207637>Why would I need a 'legitimate' reason to not want to play something?I'm not sure how to answer this question, so I'll just respond with "You're right," and leave it at that.
>>750207795>as long as you pay the subscription you don't have to understand shit!buy a fucking ad retard lmao. I hope you're at least paid for this
>>750207360https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkObwtlXtC4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4BhBUryVFY
>>750207720I can pick up an instrument and play songs. If someone met you and asked you to do the same, you couldn't do it. You are worthless.
>>750198902>>750199529LMAO, imagine being such a fucking pussy you get intimidated by a tranny. AI fags truly are something else man.
>>750207883>creativity means playing a game of telephone to a bot that you commissioned for and then taking its work and calling yours that you "made"
>>750207945you fucking trannies are insane and unpredictable. I dont blame him
>>750203353nice tits
>>750207919NTA, if someone asked me to do a lot of things, I couldn't do them. The fun comes in learning how to do them. You ought not insult others for their inability to perform but for their refusal to learn that ability. I'm super against AI but so many that are also against it have dogshit reasoning.
You see, AI is SPECIAL, so we shouldn't need to disclose it.
>>750207637You are correct, you have the right to stick your head in the sand, the right to eat shit, and the right to rot. However this is a discussion on if X tool is capable of being used to make a worthwhile game, or if it is a sign of black and white poor quality. You can also discriminate against AI made games for other reasons, but ultimately I'm only interested in if a game is fun to play.
>>750207919If I composed a bop in FL studio and got people to have fun listening to my song in the club, it doesn't matter that I couldn't play it. Not in my eyes.
>>750207970copyright courts agreed almost instantly too, it's not human so nothing it makes legally belongs to anybody. i remember it being a huge point of contention for the early crypto bros filtering over to generative AI that "money talks," the courts "will" overturn that eventually once they see the light. we're in AI fever and the entire american economy is threatening to collapse alongside AI because of putting all our eggs in one pedophile basket and the courts still haven't overturned the ruling that AIs aren't human and nothing they make can have copyright applied to it
>>750207919I play the guitar and play it well. You don't have to believe me, but it's true. And the fact that it's true is what makes me lol every single time I see these embarrassingly bold "arguments" (more like declarations). I'd like to point out that unless you are willing to risk people laughing at you for being shit at your "craft", then you're too much of a coward to be worth talking to. Anyone can say "HURR DURR I CAN PICK UP A KAZOO AND PLAY A JAMBOREE FOR U AND ME" lmao. Got any proof? Or do we both just have to take each other's word for it? Because if that's the case, then again, you are wrong. I draw, I write, I play guitar, I code, and I use AI to help with all of these. Deal with it.
>>750208030AI isn't middleware thoughbeit.
>>750199529>>750198902based trannies putting aijeets in their place!!
>>750206687Exactly this.There's no point in looking at these threads since its just jeet/troon slinging retardation.Vibe-coded shit is garbage, people who put more effort into their usage of AI will be noticed and rewarded than half-taped incremental shit plaguing the next fest.It's all just hysteria we have to still wade through.
>>750207906>This is what AIfags praiseGrim
>>750207970It really is hilarious when you take AI at face value like this. It's not actually creating the thing you see in your head, all it's doing is trying to replicate it as close to the context given as possible, and almost always it'll still be wrong, but the person behind the AI will throw up their hands and go "Close enough"
>>750200293I just want to know, nothing wrong with that.
>>750208173it absolutely is
>>750198842Why would you need people to disclose AI use when the antis are the ones screeching about how they can always tell?
>>750203508WHY THE FUCK have Americans turned AI/anti-AI discourse into left vs right faggotry? It's absolutely retarded.
>>750203951>Le hecking based hitlerino>But also consuming the most abhorrent goysloppa.
>>750208384Not unless you're linking against libgpt.dll.
If AI fags oppose this, they agree that AI usage is something to be ashamed of.
I got a Christmas gift last year that's such egregious AI sloppa that it made me despise AI in its entirety
>>750208491>americans I sincerely doubt it’s Americans.
>>750208487>why do I have to tell the truth if you can tell I'm lying anyway?this probably sounded smart in your head
>>750208491hm I wonder
>>750208491Its the way subversive weaklings obfuscate arguments to win on irrelevant merits. Its the same as how the upper class sews struggle to keep us 99%ERS divided.
>>750208596Anon, you really don’t seem to understand the issue here if you think it’s a matter of shame.
>>750207970>creativity means playing a game of telephone to a bot that you commissioned for and then taking its work and calling yours that you "made"le meme frog and wojak feels guy are going to have a field day with this one
>>750208491
>>750208646>even retards know AI is shit
A.I is buddism through and through
>>750208597Post Xmas gift
>>750208620So you are saying it isn't obvious? Why should I need to warn you about nuts in the banana nut bread?
>>750208646Now show how the same study determined black are the most likely to see AI positively.
>>750208683If piracy isnt stealing neither is using AI to make something derived from something.
>>750207653I'm far right and have spent years advocating for the total genocide of everyone in your country.
>>750208692So it is only an american website when it's convenient?
>>750207970>ask AI who gets credit for the picture >it always says “you do” Welp I guess that solves that mystery.
I have no idea why being forced to disclose AI usage is like garlic to the devs. Aren't you guys proud of your AI usage?
>>750198902Wtf trannies are based???
If using AI is so great, why NOT disclose it? Shouldn't "this game was made with AI" be your selling point?
>>750208616NOOO please saar I am American of course saar this is true my friend, I am very Aryan very much so saar AI is very so political
>>750207972>calling out bitch made behavior makes you a tranny nowLMAO.
>>750198842Anti-AI people are unhinged.>>750198902And overlap with this.
Reminder that libshits and AI lovers are the same people.
>>750208879Isn't the forehead dot just for women?
>>750198842Because they know if they can't lie about it no one will buy their slop. Organic video games are the future. There will be games that use AI. There will be games that don't use AI. I will be playing organic, human made games and I will NEVER play AI games.
>>750208821jeets and chinks are conveniently 'american' when living in canada
>>750208835>>750208872Maybe, depending on the marketing strategy. But for now, I don’t have a strategy that involves causing thousands of useful idiots on the internet to shill my game for me with “bad press” that serves to make them look unhinged and get my game’s name out there. For now, though, I’d rather just play it safe. Thanks for your concern.
>>750208821>american websiteYou thirdies have been saying it's an anime website for years, though?
>>750208049>However this is a discussion on if X tool is capable of being used to make a worthwhile gameI think it's capable of creating a worthwhile game, but there's already plenty of worthwhile games that don't use AI, so I don't see what I as a consumer would miss out on by not playing a game that uses AI.
Why don't you disclose the use of Stack Exchange
>>750200896>folksalready exposed yourself, nigger
>>750208491It's not, it's blatant bot farms trying desperately to shift the narrative. It's the same as them calling anyone who didn't like AI "luddites" for fucking YEARS on end.
>>750209061You don't want your game to get attention?
>>750209084Probably nothing, anon. Carry on.
>>750209071american anime website
>>750209173Maybe not bad attention. Not for a first game.
>>750208872As someone pro-consumer I believe people ultimately have the right to know what anything is made of, trade secrets be damned, , but unfortunately using AI for 1 task will grant you the same scarlet letter as those who vibe code the entire thing. For people turned off by "effort" or "human touch" (like any of you comprehend what that even means) they will have the same effect regardless of proportionality of how it was used on the project.
>>750209225why use a tool that only generates bad press? why do you think it creates bad press in the first place? surely it cannot all be "luddites" and your fellow ai users will come to your aid and help you out, show support, etc. right?
>>750209232>but unfortunately using AI for 1 task will grant you the same scarlet letter as those who vibe code the entire thingActual valid concern, I wonder why pajeet >>750209225 couldn't say this.
>>750207852>(He/Him)
If AI is that great for gaming how come the only thing I see coming out of it is uncreative and generic trash? Seriously, I'll scroll the steam store and all these AI games all look like something someone else already did but worse.
>>750209359>why do you think the KKK hates black people?people are retarded, literally supporting an argument because a group of people feel one way is also retarded.
>>750209225No such thing. AI is a mark of competence and not being a luddite, so you should wear it loud and proud. All the non-luddites will rush to support your game and make it extremely successful. Because AI is so great!
>>750198902literal transphobia lmao don't turn around
>>750209359No, anon. I don’t expect them to because we’re all competing against one another. I use the AI because it is amazingly helpful. That’s literally it. I’m sorry if you can’t appreciate that or whatever. But that’s why I won’t disclose it.
>>750209443Who are you quoting?
>>750207542Nah, I don't think I will.
>>750198842You've posted why.
>>750209443so your argument is that everyone who doesn't like ai's output is retarded? why can't you answer a simple question but skirt around the subject like a faggot?
>>750209543I think you will I think you’ve done it a hundred times already and you’ll do it a hundred times more.
>>750198842the real question is why is Steam still giving them the choice oto disclose. At submission it should be >Did you use AI (y/n)>Yes ? here's your AI tag, placed on top of your page (+ filterable)>No ? if it turns out you used AI you'll be prosecuted and have to refund all the revenue made by the game + lifelong ID ban
>Um ackshually it's completely unreasonable to expect full disclosure of all tools used in gamedev!
>>750198902this
>>750209492You won't disclose it because you know nobody will accept your game the moment they know you didn't really make it?
>>750209623this nigga thinks he's an anime protagonist mastermind lmao. see you in the (No Reviews Yet) basket of sloppa if you'll even release anything in the first place
>>750208832>ask AI who gets credit for the picture generated in 12 seconds image>it gives a diplomatic answer as to not get into an argument with you>Ai fags then pretend to live on planet india and claim they "made" itlollmao
>>750208216I'd sex them. I would even let our balls touch.
>>750207653>The Indian right
>>750209586Groupthink is not a valid argument why something is bad, nothing more nothing less.
>>750209659>Didn't make your own game engine?>Here's your tag, get filtered>Used Stack overflow?>Here's your tag, get filtered>Asked AI about the migration patterns of a type of fish for my fishing game>Here's your tag, get filtered
>>750198902I'm a trans ally now wtf?
>>750207138>So what's the end goal of the anti ai crowd?to not buy low quality productsto shame you into making high quality products
>>750209421For all the offputting corpo jargon and concern trolling about business investment and practices that flies around 4chan these days, you'd think people would know LinkedIn has pronouns.
>>750200896If AI users don't give a fuck, why do they always flock to discussion that are negative about them? Something doesn't add up...
>>750207138>until they get replacedThey don't have jobs, tho.
>>750209803Yes, all info about the game should be given to the customer. Include the dev's country on there too
>>750209713Yeah, I guess. Sorry.
>>750209794again - do you really think the only reason people don't like sloppa is "groupthink"?
>>750209947And then trannies boycott your country because they make it illegal to give children double mastectomies and castration pills
>>750209997Self-awareness is the first step towards self-improvement, anon.
>>750209870I’m not convinced that people who are spooked by one of the most incredible tech innovations of our time would know very much about purchasing “high quality” products.
>>750203930>what exactly are you arguing for?>[for the sake of arguing]ok
>>750206464did an artist do a gay on your dad
>>750208351So as a result. The degree of quality of the piece is left up to the individuals own creative taste and the effort that the "ideas guy" wants to put in which is around jack fuck all.If they are lazy to pick up a pencil or at least sketch their ideas out, then the AI will correctly reflect that. There are no free lunches. Most AI fags are not people you'd want to put in any creative decision.
>>750209803>still pretending people care about AI codeit's all about graphics and music (actual art) , fuck coders. They always copied each other long before AI
>>750210017Why does it matter if trannies buy it? Do you want your fans to be trannies?
I don't mind people using AI to make games but I've yet to see one I'd ever consider playing.
>>750210062>incredible tech innovation>literally just speeds up processes already capable of being done manually Anon, the world ended in 1990s when the internet became widespread. Literally not a single invention of worth has been developed since.
>>750209870these sick fucks... can't they just shut the fuck up, get excited for next product and buy it?
>>750198842It's gay to have it called a "disclosure/disclaimer". That implies it's -bad-...what if it's a tag or >>750208872? Nay. It should be called a reclaimer.
>>750210062>one of the most incredible tech innovations of our timedo we live in the same universe? it's just an llm lmao
>>750210149Trannies control normaloid websites, generally, and normaloids are sheep.Look at the endless 'AI SLOPFEST OMG!!!!' videos and online posts on the first day of Nextfest, when Nextfest ALWAYS needs a day or two to filter the slop out, even before AI was a thing
>>750210202>consoomer normalfag cattle were the target audience for AI all alongActually does make perfect sense now that I think of it.
>>750210062It's pretty cool tech. Makes my software job much easier. It makes some funny memes and some good porn. It's nice that it's helping with scientific research and cybersecurity.But every AI game is bad. Every AI song is bad. Every AI movie is bad. Every AI book (yes they exist) is bad. I don't want to play bad games, so I'll continue to avoid AI games.
Even Miyamoto has a neutral stance on AI and said that it could allow developers to focus on the more important creative aspects more. He said the human element is still needed but he wasnt reeee all AI bad like the luddites
>>750210312ur gonna have to stop playing games soon unless you like playing old and figured out games
>>750209443>comparing peopme not wanting to consume your shit product to institutional racismThis bubble must be close to bursting, we're reaching unforseen levels of delusion.
>>750210446Unlike you and your kind, our dopamine receptors still work. I have decades of games to still enjoy. Something being old and figured out by others (people who aren't me) does not detract from the enjoyment.
slop is slop, ai is bad because it is bad for the environment. I dont care about the arts because creativity is stagnant and dead its all the same weather a machine or some insipid artcel made it
>>750210015You're Mott and Bailey'ing. Why would you ask >why use a tool that only generates bad press? why do you think it creates bad press in the first place?as a single post point and then pivot off that the reply I push back on it?Groupthink, mob mentality, can take any point of contention and blow it up into a vortex of mischaracterized hyperbole. Whatever contension people have over effort, functionality, derriviation and source material of their code, or quality in output is churned and turned into an emotional crusade by the mob in cases like this. And I also see your sneaky tactic of trying to get me to make your argument for you as an "admission" gotcha quite sophomoric.
>>750210271>I hate trannies but I'd never ever want them to dislike my gameIf trannies don't hate your game it isn't worth playing anyways
>>750210539>ai is bad because it is bad for the environment.Yawn.
>>750210604Dozens of generations cared enough about it so you could exist. The least you can do is ensure it for future gamers and weebs. What was any of this for if it all goes down in flames?
Reminder that all anti ai sentiment is from russian and chinese bots trying to shut down america so they can win the ai arms race.
>>750210604AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAare you awake now?
>foids get rape and death threats by chuds for just existing>hehe the whore deserves it hehe>chuds using AI get death threats by troons(in this case nothing ever happens btw)>SAVE ME! HELP, THEY WANT TO KILL ME!! WTF IS THIS BARBARISM?! LEFTISTS ARE DERANGED AND VIOLENT! GIVE MINORITY STATUS TO PROMPTERS!
>>750210657NEVER ask an indian to care about the environment
>>750210675Yes. Thank you.
>>750210661Reminder that the militaries of the world are already 20 years ahead on AI tech because they are solely using it in literal lightspeed "combat" in cyberspace. Governments don't give a fuck about Claude or Grok, they've all got their own version delivering thousands of attacks per minute.
Given that VAs are all unprofessional douchebags, it's great that AI has made them obsolete at just $20 a month.
>>750210685troons are more unhinged than chuds
>>750210685>foids get rape and death threats by chuds for just existingOther way around.
>>750210743For what?
>>750210685Saying "oh my god, you were given empty death threats? You must be saved!" Is not the same as "these are the irrational people you are capitulating to in doing this"
>>750210804Anyone crazy enough to cut their dicks off is gonna be more unhinged than anybody, yeah
>>750210661There is no fucking AI race you jingoistic jackass. It's a fucking chatbot. What the fuck would you even "win" from such a race? The ability to pump out shitty pictures of Garfield with tits faster?The only race here is to the bottom. If anything China's giving the illusion of supporting AI to accelerate this bubble. They clearly do not give a shit about its actual output. Once it bursts and take the US economy with it they'll drop it like a hot potato.
anyway, ai is the modern day snakeoil and im tired of pretending it isnt. I can't believe the retarded boomers in charge want it for military stuff i mean can you imagine? they literally think its like some magic wizard tech that can so literally anything.
>>750211034opus 5.5 can already make games and do expert tier coding. They have probably seen background stuff that is 10x and is like magic.
>>750210828Waking me up.
This is AIhttps://youtu.be/LIeXCZ2UbTg?is=I6LYndmca09PjFx6https://youtu.be/6UxG2jTIx-s?is=LoRZCvMr46yIlPnghttps://youtu.be/6tCVsS8X6mU?is=kHKujttcDx8O0ehqhttps://youtu.be/gTKxsLYsQf8?is=ww2ppNov3KtwyVBD
>>750211273>?is=fuck off with your datamining links
Autists are mad that AI's taking their jobs, making them worthless in all facets of life.
>>750211320The hell are you talking about?
>>750210962Megacorporations' AIs are bsckdoorimg into other megacorps. That's quite a big deal.
>every google search now opens up with a paragraph of moralizing
>>750201348After Charlie Kirk, no one should take any chances with these freaks. Never negotiate with terrorists.
>>750211404Educate yourself, jackass
>>750211184buy an ad fag
>>750210192>Literally not a single invention of worth has been developed since.drone warfareEU bottle cap
because people have a fucking aneurysm whenever they read AI even though 99.999999999999999% of developers are using itthere is no consumer differentiation between 'well they used AI to code' or 'they used AI for prototype visuals' or 'they used AI for creating ingame art that's still in the release version'people just read it as AI and throw it under the same blanket as web3 grifters and NFT retardsthere's no honor system or benefit you will get as a developer from disclosing your AI use even though everyone is using itthere are several games on steam right now that are silently using AI that have done complete gangbusters. if they add the AI disclosure tag, they get fucking review bombed into oblivion even though there's nothing actually wrong with the game.
>>750211481Why should I take the schizo antics of an sheltered autist seriously?
>>750211357It's fucked up, right? I mean AIs aren't perfect but you can truly accomplish the work of many with one human and a few AIs. It's just like the self checkout argument at grocery stores and major retailers; human beings have lost jobs because of the downsizing of these sectors with the technology, but damn... the system does work maybe even a little better if not just as good. Every time an AI takes my order at a Rally's drive thru they NEVER fuck if up. Phone operator AIs keeping me from talking to customer service? That's something you need a human for and the machine fucks up, but for the things that it does work for, its almost a sick joke that they are better than humans. Humans do need jobs and to work, yet we haven't found the purpose to mass hire those humans... Other then like door dash drivers. Now granted, whether you are door dashing or Walmart checkout clerks neither seems too dignified or glamorous. But you were never promised a high paying glamorous job, just a "good enough" job to not even take care of your bills without a partner.
>>750210657Me thinks some of them are incorporating that Boomer mindset of "Fuck you, got mine".
>>750211776Why are you too lazy and or retarded (you have to be at least one on this situation) to run a 15 second online search for "?is= URL"?
>>750211435Because said megacorps are deliberately programming them to do so as a publicity stunt. If anything it should be more concerning megacorps are dumping trillions into glorified malware.
>>750211597>even though 99.999999999999999% of developers are using it
>>750211597>even though 99.999999999999999% of developers are using itAIfags are so delusional.
>>750204741>retard learns infra doesnt turn a profit immediately
>>750199529>Things that never happenedYou are not making a game and nobody would care about literal who dev to send death threats to, even if you were one. You don't have big enough following for that in the 0.01% chance you are developing anything.
>>750212030two more weeks sir
>>750198842We aren't. People are clearly more willing to buy AI-made games than woke games
>>750198902>>750199529Why are you retards trying to make trannies sound cool?
>>750210545Nta, but that's not what a Motte and Bailey is. A motte and bailey is where an arguer changes positions from a broad statement to a narrow one after being challenged. He was challenging your assertions and you assumed it as evidence that he changed positions.
>>750207972>"WAAAH WAAAAAAAAH! MOMMYYYYYY PEOPLE ARE SENDING MEAN THINGS TO ME WHEN I SPAM AISLOP ON STEAM!"Fucking pussylol
>>750212101Fighting over who is the lumpiest pile of shit is pathetic.I hate both of those things.
>>750211784AI can literally fuse two games together and have it all work now. It would've taken YEARS for humans to do that.
>>750198842Same reason normal people avoid telling feral niggers they have ten bucks in their pocket: because you mentally retarded clowns are criminally insane and you might randomly decide to spend the rest of your worthless life in jail, just because you got irrationally angry with some poor normal person.
>>750211858>>750211776
>>750211597>even though 99.999999999999999% of developers are using itBitch, where's your fucking evidence? You shamelessly parroting this shit 24/7 doesn't magically make it true.
>>750212030Infra is turning into a profit. It's the only thing that is. Out of those 972 billion in global revenue, 60% belongs to Nvidia and another 15% to Micron and AMD.Which means that, purely on the software side, losses are far more carastrophic than "we only made 50% back."
>>750212117How is killing a guy because he supposedly said some "mean" words in anyway cool?
>>750212235Being ignorant on purpose is not a badge of honor. Unless you're a nigger, I guess.
>>750210765What do you do for VA? I have a Qwen3 streaming setup fed by Dialogue Reader and OCR. The quality is hit and miss, sometimes it's excellent, convincing, and passes for professional VA, other times it's lackluster. Do you have a better method?
>>750212173no it can't. it's just smoke and mirrors ad campaign meant to make you buy a sub so they can pump their pathetic numbers before they go ipo in November
>>750207919You better keep playing it, it will be your only source of income when you have to beg on the streets.Well, that and sucking dick on street corners until robowhores get there. I better learn to play the flute too lmao
>>750211404Retard.
>>750212030It's been four fucking years and trillions of dollars in debt. There is ZERO path to profitability, not only because of the debt, but because the costs scale with the revenue. No matter how much money it makes, you will always end up spending three dollars just to make one. It is inherently unprofitable.
>>750212478>no it can't.being this confidently wrong is not helping your movement.
>>750212117It's overdue, the powers that be need to come up with a new designated hate sponge and some catchy, uncomplicated slurs for these retards to chant already.I'm thinking polyamory might be the new 'tranny' in the coming years, once gen Alpha is all grown up.
>>750212741We've already been chanting cuck even longer than tranny, althoughbeitfully.
>>750205268bodied that freak
>>750212267>mass layoffs>negative impact skyrocketskek
>>750212662okay what are the requirements to make it run again?
>>750212825I've never seen anyone get into a conniption fit over a cuckhold the same way they screech about the 'trannies' in their head.
>>750207849>half-ass things for the demo>people start wondering if you'll also half-ass and underbake the final productSee the problem?
>>750198842Every time a developer is caught using undisclosed AI they'll say "Gosh darn it! One of our contractors must've lied to us! Thank you for bringing this to our attention Luna!" or "We're so sorry! One of our employees was independently experimenting with AI and accidentally copied some of that output. We're going to remove it right away Narcissa!" or "We only used it in prototyping and brainstorming, somehow that slipped through by accident. We'll replace it in the next update, Lilith!"
>>750212401>Do you have a better method?ElevenLabs.https://youtu.be/th_tXR2QQ6U?is=UGpFz2TDV8i-FUur
>>750211954>>750212010go to any game dev discordask any game dev (not indie)talk to any software engineerdeadlock uses AIvalve as a whole uses AImeccha chameleon used AIhow to fish used AIsilver pines used AImodern warfare 4 uses AI>>750212267decompilation is my evidence because developers will lie to youuse ILSpy and look through the source of any indie game made in Unity/C#/Godot in the last 2 yearsyou're going to find AI written code templates/AI written comments/AI authored commit logs (for public repos)this is just in game dev by the way. regular software engineering is even worse. GDC is the worst place to ask people about AI honesty because the majority of GDC attendees are not actual game developers. it's students, people networking, marketers, designers, HR, and then occasionally the few actual professionals, who I guarantee you are that 36% who use it as part of their job.it's not a convention that exclusively hosts programmers which is where the majority of the AI use occurs. it's like going to artist twitter and polling them on their AI use.i don't particularly have a horse in this race btw. i write most of my own code since AI is kind of retarded and requires too much handholding.however there's a difference between saying I don't find something useful and saying something isn't useful at all.for all the people in these threads talking about 'profitability', it doesn't matter. anthropic and openAI can go belly-up tomorrow morning and it won't change a thing, because the technology is too attractive, too flexible, and there's too many open models out there already that can be locally hosted that are better than the average developer. we're not far away from dropping the whole general-purpose LLM stuff which has always been a bad idea to going to purpose-trained specialized models for specific industries, and there are actually companies hiring for this specific purpose right now Larian was one of them
>>750208491They're heavily investing in the sector, trying to be at the very center of datacenters that everything is linked through. It's a massive picrel
>>750198842>NO SHAME IN USING AI; WE ARE PROUD CREATORS OF AI CONTENT>doesn't want to disclose the use of AIIt's almost like the faggots know they have nothing but empty bravado covering for lack of soul and artistry. They know they suck, and will always be ashamed of the crutches they pretend are real legs
>>750213154KEK
>>750199529>death threatsNigger we all get them, all the time. I'll kill you for that, right now I'LL KILL YOU; ROBERT I'LL KILL THIS MAN
>>750213198>doesn't want to disclose the use of AI>>750211597
>>750213269What are the odds the 'death threats' are just people telling him to kill himself?
>>750206992Anti-AI trannies actually are this extreme in many cases and as a small indie developer it only takes one discord gooner clique to rape & gape your Steam reviews permanently. When honestly is punished and dishonesty is rewarded, I will be dishonest. Catch me if you can, it'll surely be easy to tell, right?
>>750213298I'LL KILL YOU FOR THAT
>>750213348Odds even a retard could win with. I'LL KILL YOU FOR THIS
>>750213384
>>750212314New to 4chan? Pussy
>>750213774I'm a pussy because I'm not an autistic edgelord? Take your meds, man.
>>750210446>ur gonna have to stop playing bad games and play good games insteadWay ahead of you.
>>750213154E33 not getting metaphorically tarred and feathered for using AI has been a disastrous mistake in the long run. Every corpo since then has been copying its homework in the hopes that it'll mitigate the PR blowback every time they get caught as well.
>>750199529>death threads
>>750211954Nigel, AI is so good now that there are going to be lawsuits over negligence for failing to use AI in your product within a year, I guarantee it. Half the Internet was locked down yesterday because of a PHP bug that was caught with AI. The Linux kernel is full of AI-authored bugfixes, some for bugs dating back decades. We're well beyond the point where using it is a choice if you're a programmer.
I like that we're starting to move away from placating retarded losers.
troon anons? smack your bulge hard right now
>>750213957Meaning there'll be no use for troon devs and coders. Excellent.
>>750212119Its when you have two seperwte arguments, one easily contested and one more nuanced, and when the contested argument is challenged you escape to the other argument in an attempt to falsely link the two as a singular firm stance.
>>750213160If your only argument is everyone is being dishonest, you have no ground to stand on. Provide ACTUAL, TANGIBLE EVIDENCE for your claims. You can't, because you have none.Also "open models" post bubble crash is a pipe dream. They're all just forks of the frontier models, and once those are gone the costs will pass onto the user to maintain them from model drift/collapse.
>>750213036>>750212478I have played someone's super Nintendo ROM of Sonic the Hedgehog in Super Mario World. Nah bro, that shit is real. Not the stuff where AI is processing everything frame by frame, but the ROM assets being dumped from one game to the other is totally real.
>Planning to buy Claude Pro later this week to try out REA>Learn that Claude is already putting up guardrails to prevent REAAw fuck, don't tell me I'm already too late to hop on the decomp hype train?
>>750213160>i write most of my own code since AI is kind of retarded and requires too much handholding.this, these tards just need to download studio grade software or any modern game engine to realize how embedded these tools are with AI. hell, there's no escaping once they start hard baking DLSS5 into games kek. I saw little-to-no AI bitching in nvidia shill threads when DLSS5 was spammed here.
>>750214230What's REA?
>>750211475Didn't a cisgender white man kill Kirk?
>>750214201what's your opinion on DLSS5 bro
>>750214264>when DLSS5 was spammed hereMy man, there was no bitching because you were in a bot thread. What kind of a normal person clicks on DLSS5 nonsense in the catalog?
>>750214335nta but it looks like shit
>>750213957>NigelIs this supposed to be some kind of unprompted jab at the British?
>>750214292Reverse Engineer Anything.It's suppose to be a tool on GitHub that you essentially plugin to agents like Claude, Cursor or Codex to have them reverse engineer games down to an exact replica of their coding so you can build on them and use them anywhere.It's the same premise used for decomping, which is where all the videos of crossover modding comes from, like Mario in Elden Ring.
>>750198842because no matter how many times their handlers say only like 7 artists on bluesky care, deep down they know that proudly declaring it will make enough people look for something else to buy.
>>750213156>ElevenLabshttps://youtu.be/h9e7bPUBoB8?is=Wr2E7qKToHOcu42-
>>750214414>What kind of a normal person
>>750213957>Half the Internet was locked down yesterday because of a PHP bug that was caught with AIThey didn't "catch" it you moron, the PHP vulnerability was known for over a decade now. What OpenAI did was quickly build an exploit to specifically target it and then barfed it up before people could patch. Again, these "AI" companies are just malware orgs in drag.
>>750198842>"Hey Claude, can you make her boobs bigger?">"You make me sick, pervert."
>>750198842Because there's no point; it's like listing pronouns. If your game is shit, then it's shit regardless of AI. If your game is good, it isn't because of the AI. I didn't bother "disclosing" my AI use and no one called me out on it.
>>750215445Your game must be pretty good then, link?
>>750207752NTA but yes, anti-ai is a obnoxious lefty take.>but this post says you can't point that out!Yes I can, retard.
The actual riveting part of all this is atheists starting to believe in a machine god.
>>750214130Ok? So identify the two arguments that were brought forth and show where the retreat occurred. Otherwise you just strawmanned him. Challenging claims and assertions is not a motte and bailey fallacy. You have to explain your bullshit.
>>750212124Yes, people don't want to hear your obnoxious faggotry.
If the people that hate AI are demon possessed its probably safe to say that AI is good.
>>750198902Victim mentality. Truth is that you just like to lie for more profit
>>750208820>Hello 2016 internet Nazis I'm like you.
>>750216743/threadDemons are always lurking this website spreading lies
>>750198842Never heard of your accusation.
>>750216819Making a game is hard work and I do it for profit, yes. Sorry you had to find out this way.
>>750198842AIgroids have very fragile egos like trannies and chimp out when you don't accept them.
>>750216907>using ai is hard worklol lmao
>>750214201there's no real proof I can give you that will actually satisfy what you want to hear. even if I go dig up the ILSpy code snippets i've been shown from popular releases with obvious AI gen'd comments, completely different formatting to the rest of the codebase, and atrocious implementation you'll just shift the goalposts to something else because you don't want to believe what I have to say.even if I go post the deadlock character background that was obviously written by an LLM with the same (it's not X, it's Y!) formatting, the same overreliance on — characters, you'll just shift the goalposts to something unprovable, like:>w-well, you claimed 99.9%! prove it!when it was obviously hyperbole. you can't argue with someone who doesn't want to believe what you say on emotional grounds.you wanna know how I actually know you're a moron? i've been to GDC for the past seven years. pic related is a photo I took at the Tech Leadership Roundtable 60min conversation hosted by Geoff Evans (NVIDIA Engineer). the entire room was full of AAA team leads, and the only conversation that actually went on was AI integration, how to vet new hires who overuse it, what we think will happen over the course of the next ~5 years.>dishonestno, I'm someone who has actual domain knowledge who actually works in the field you LARP at knowing anything about.
>>750217078It is when it needs to look good. This isn't a push button and it just works thing.
>>750207298>I'm dying, anon!Holy shit, the trannies got him! RIP.
>>750214861Honest question: why should anyone hire voice actors when AI has gotten this good at a much cheaper price? You can have a whole cast for so little money.
>>750210661Anti-AI sentiment is natural when you see how shit it is for lazy faggots. Steam Next Fest exposed the fuck out of you shills.
>>750214335Worthless garbage less than worthless, even.>>750214927Anon even by /v/ standards those threads were wholly artificial.
>>750198842The unfortunate reality for AIfags is that people have a certain amount of memory and pattern recognition. When someone sees this stuff, they'll eventually come to realize how repetitive and sloppy it is in both presentation and style. It would be better if AIfags drew a crude drawing of what they wanted with the general to specific ideas layered on it and fed to the AI, but no they'd rather just sit on their ass and expect anybody who is not brown or low IQ too eat their shitslop.This goes far into gaming. If you didn't atleast give a rubric and sketched out your gameplay ideas and gave it to AI, then your dogshit product is not worth playing or even looking at. That's even assuming AIfags are artists.
>>750213160>>750217197>valve as a whole uses AIAs soon as valve admits it, the cult will turn it into a good thing
>>750210536>>750213857leave the trailblazing to the bold and stay left behind
>>750218362
>>750198842AI bros know all they can produce with AI is slop. However, they also know 90% of the population is completely nose blind to slop so they hope if people can't tell they are consuming slop they will have a harder time avoiding slop. Because most people are unable to tell the difference between something of high quality and slop, they rely on descriptors associated with high quality vs slop.If AI could produce something that isn't slop and of actual high quality, they wouldn't be afraid of disclosing it. In-fact they would be advertising it as people would associate AI generation with high quality instead of with slop.
uh oh luddite melty thread
>>750198902yeah, themselves
I genuinely think AI's image is sullied by the fact that its loudest advocates are literally the same people who followed the buttcoin-VR-NFT pipeline like religion.
>>750214201>everyone is being dishonestNo, it's specifically game dev PR. Software devs are open about it. You weren't in the know about it or that software and prototype visual use is different.
AI is great if you aren't a lazy fag.
>>750207526not to mention that most people don't have a problem with AI being used, they have a problem with slopi genuinely don't care if anyone uses AI, but if you can't be bothered to hire cover artists for your fucking game, then that tells me everything inside of it is as low effort as the prompt you used to make the cover artand if AI really is that amazing that it could prompt whole games, what the fuck am i going to give you money for? i'll just pirate your game and have Claude de-compile it, make brand new assets/story/etc., and re-release it myselfwhat's the difference?what do people who make these games actually provide that i can't just vibecode myself?if it's nothing, then AI worshippers just nullified their own existenceagain, using AI is fine, but making slop is not welcomeand don't give me that bullshit about "placeholders" fucking weak ass excuse
>>750217441this goes for any question regarding any part of the creative process>why hire a writer when ai can just write it?>why hire a musician when ai can make music?>why hire an artist when ai can make art?someone who truly cares about what they are producing isn't going to be comfortable offloading everything to ai because it defeats the purpose of itwhat do you provide in your product that someone else can't just do themselves easily?if you have ai writing, ai music, and ai art, why should anyone care about what you have to say if the person you are trying to sell to can do all of that themselves?it all becomes meaninglessof course, grifters don't give a shit, it's literally only about money, so of course they would have no problem using ai for everything because they never cared about the quality of the product, only about making as much money as possible from it
>>750211475Nigga, you're in your basement begging, like a cuck, a computer to make you a game. Nobody wants to get anywhere close to you.
>>750219507AI generation has a 99.9999% correlation with slop. The 0.00001% of non-slop generated with AI isn't going have any sway on the perception of AI. There's tons of games out there so players can be picky. If avoiding any game with AI helps filter out most of the slop, there is no concern of missing out.
>>750218307they do, very much so, behind the scenespic related is a commit co-authored by claude into the steam networking sockets APIfor the dude who was asking me earlier for concrete proof, here you go I guesspeople actually DO NOT UNDERSTAND how prolific the use of AI for programming is. it's primarily artists and designers who have a problem with it.if you actually know anything about the history of valve it's not anything surprising they wouldn't care.this quote by gaben always sticks out to me:>so, when we designed valve, everything goes back to this fundamental question of, how do you attract and retain the most highly productive people in the world? because if our thesis is correct, that's where we're going to create our greatest incremental valuewhat is AI if not a productivity tool that enables productive people to be even more productive?
>>750217441Ask yourself this:>Why are original paintings from famous historical artists worth so much when anyone can print out a copy for so much cheaper or they can ask AI to generate a much higher quality digital version of painting? If you can't see the difference in value from an original piece of art by a famous artist and a print out copy of an AI generated image, then you won't see the value different from original voice acting from a famous voice actor and AI generated voice dialog. Something being cheaper doesn't make it more valuable. Its actually the opposite.
>>750220598ai is pervasive so it's likely impossible to dodge after 2024 outside of extremely obscure games most people don't want to play anywayand i think it's taking away from the valid argument of ai being used as a tool responsibly as opposed to slopnobody really cares if ai is used to help solve difficult coding problems or why a game crashes or bugs outpeople DO care if the whole game was vibe coded and took a few days to put together and are snuffing out actual game devs that take months to years to produce quality work (who might have used ai responsibly for assistance)in fact, it's all about doing things responsiblythat's how the first world operatestraffic laws are for responsible people, if we invite third worlders that don't care about laws, it just screws over responsible people who want a cohesive society that is desireable
>>750220693Every single person working at a software company is using LLMs. It's funny watching people who don't know this delude themselves.
>>750207727>he was right all along
>>750220693>how do you attract and retain the most highly productive people in the world?Honestly I wouldn't call valve productiveEven their standards for correctness have been slipping for a decade and a halfAbout the time steam changed from black-grey to black-blue the enshittification became noticeableI'm still surprised their programmer led company eventually hired someone who knew UI and UX design
>>750209883Then where's Sreekanth Kumbha's?
I can totally understand not wanting AI to touch anything artistic. Yeah, it's always just going to be safe and averaged out at best. Serviceable, but no AI art will ever change your life.But for coding? Sign me the fuck up. Who ARE all these people who suddenly lament the fall of the codemonkey job? "Computer, make a program that does X and Y" is sci-fi made real.
>>750207852This entire image is depressingWelcome to the futureEveryone's indian and gay
>>750220693So AI is infact a tool but a tool is dependent on the qualities of the person wielding it and how effective it is. If you have high quality people like Valve employees, you are going to do just fine with AI especially when you have knowledge of Comp sci, programming , experience, etc and can steer it the right way. The problem is that the majority of the people who use and shill AI are not high quality and therefore churn out shitslop and expect fags to eat it up. Especially fags who shill it here.
>>750207849Most AI slop games have looked like shit, why would I even bother bro.
>>750198842Because deep down they realize it's a scam, and they just want to get away with it.
>>750221721>But for coding? Sign me the fuck up. Who ARE all these people who suddenly lament the fall of the codemonkey job? "Computer, make a program that does X and Y" is sci-fi made real.Because we really don't need more shitty, buggy code with bad performance. I don't care if a computer can shit out it faster than a real programmer, the quality matters.
>>750207849>why can't a tranny's appearance speak for itself?>sounds to me like you're afraid of accidentally falling in love with another man
>>750203819No it signals a lack of budget which has no correlation to effort. Any asshole with a rich family can have their assets done for them and most people can't break that barrier of entry. Your heuristic is actually discounting the most talented people who haven't broken through yet.
>>750221879Yeah the last 20 years have seen code quality fall into the fucking abyss and the slopbot is undermining very slow hard-won changes being made in the direction of bringing back real optimization. Catastrophically bad bloatware like Unreal Engine was finally getting regular non-swe people to have a conversation about how bad optimization has really gotten, now we get to start all over again because of vibecoding.
>>750221879>Because we really don't need more shitty, buggy code with bad performanceThere's also no documentation. People doing AI-assisted recomps don't know or care to ask it to explain how it did it and put it in a document or have it explain what it did.
>>750220693noo being productive is wrong because then there's no quality and it is all slop.idk
>>750220693Valve’s entire launcher is embedded chromium nobody working on Steam has actually known how to code for fucking years at this point.
>>750221126People have been producing video games for well over 40 years without any AI assistance. Even before AI entered the development pipeline, there was already a huge oversaturation issue with games and we're many years past the peak golden era of gaming. The decline started with very low barrier to entry with cheap and easy to use game engines like unreal and unity together asset stores, visual scripting with blueprints et. The thing AI is bringing to the table is making the oversaturation issue worse by making the time and effort barrier even lower. It doesn't make games any better, it just enables more people to producing even more games at a more frequent rate as devs who would have been filtered out by the time, budget, effort, or skill can now ask AI to push their game past the finish line for little cost. Even worse now is that AI can clone games, so if any one game does hit it big or even get a lot of attention, hundreds clones can drown it out of existence within the next day making the chances for any individual game to be successful further approach zero.So no matter what, with or without AI assistance, game development is in a race to the bottom. With AI assistance, now the race to the bottom is even faster than ever before. There is nothing to look forward to wit AI taking over game development. It's more likely people will just avoid games altogether and the industry will shrink as people find new interests as gamers are increasingly priced out of buying gaming hardware on top of all the other issues.
>>750198902>>750199529They sound like absolute chads who'll actually endanger themselves for what they believe in, while you're being gigantic faggots crying for another man to protect you.You're the Moriori crying about the Maori eating you because you tried pacifism and pacifism is fucking gay.
I'm okay if you think AI is shit, but you can't hate a person for that, You don’t know, for instance, whether that person is a quadriplegic, or if they live in a poor country where $30 for a drawing might amount to an entire month’s budget and they can't afford an artist for it.
>>750220693>what is AI if not a productivity tool that enables productive people to be even more productive?It objectively is not that. There have been multiple studies confirming that it does not increase productivity, rather it just vomits a shutload of terrible code you have to waste more time cleaning up than if you'd just written it from scratch. Here's a more recent one for example.https://fion.ac/jellyfish.pdf
>>750199529>taking death threats seriously in 2026
>>750221813i mean look at the topic of the thread and you've just answered your question. my original post that started this whole reply chain had the same answerthe reason why people who use AI would be against AI disclosure is that you're lumped in with the tasteless grifters who are willing to vibeslop something together with zero effortthere is a continental divide between the average AI user, who are just normal programmers, and the web3/NFT/crypto roaches who spam slop everywhere on the internet and give it a poisonous reputation, but are also the loudest in the roomthe AI disclosure is also completely redundant because you can identify slop from a mile away. consumer interest/disinterest is the natural antibody to low effort trash, and you can see it in the headlines about steam next fest.it's a self-resolving problem, and all disclosure really does is hurt developers who use it as the tool that it is because even having the AI tag next to your product puts you in the same basket as the griftersyour average programmer/AI user hates the slop games just as much as you dothis is all just the practical reasons to not do it, not even mentioning the people who have decided that AI is some bizarre political hill to die on instead of a tool to either use/not useand those same people can brigade/falseflag/review bomb your product into oblivion which directly hurts your ability to keep making gamesi guess the TL;DR for this entire thread would be:>AI users are against AI disclosure because obvious slop usage is obvious enough you don't need it, and if you actually required disclosure then every game on Steam released in the last two years would have a yellow star, and every game released in the future would continue to have one. Disclosure does nothing but hurt your bottom line and reputation by lumping you in with the worst of the worst.hell, i'd like to be honest about my own AI usage in my work, but i can't be
>>750222206The budget is your time and iq. Your jeetlogic doesn't fool me. -1000 izzat points.
>>750223231>There have been multiple studies>falling for the "multiple studies" meme in 2026
>>750205848maybe he shouldn't have let the nsa take over his project like the cuck he is then
>>750223330yep when someone threatens to bankrupt you, that's a death threat
>>750222545>AI can clone games, so if any one game does hit it big or even get a lot of attention, hundreds clones can drown it out of existence within the next dayGeorge Lucas talked about this with Star Wars. When talentless fags were thinking it was about the effects rather than about the story and its characters. We had 100 failed star wars clones
>>750198842Jerusalemware if he real
>>750223505>cultist refusing to look at evudence staring him in the faceLeast surprising thing ITT.
>>750223486the few times I've seen generative 'AI' used tastefully it's always been to augment something else, and not generate something from the ground up, and they always disclose it.Not disclosing it is just dishonest, no matter how obvious it may be.
>>750223153Fuck the poor.
>>750221124>then you won't see the value different from original voice acting from a famous voice actor and AI generated voice dialog.Voice actors are unprofessional assholes. Why should I give a shit if they get replaced?
>>750223923Good goy
>>750221879>Because we really don't need more shitty, buggy code with bad performanceYou get with humans. AI unironically fares better.
>>750223898So it's used as a tool?
>>750198902based
>>750224354>AI unironically fares better.Tim Sweeny pls.
>>750224354AI is trained on human code...
>>750223231the problem with these studies is that they look at it in a holistic sensethey view productivity in the same lens of LOC delivered/commits authored/pull requests accepted when there's more to it than thatof course if you give carte blanche permission to the pattern-matching computer algorithm it's going to spit out garbage. i don't need a study to tell you thatit's also pretty ironic that study uses GPT-4o's output as a basis to evaluate the amount of time a senior programmer would take to complete a task which kind of muddies the waters on not only their message, but also their calculations...found a post by someone i know who put it a lot better than i could, who is a senior unity engine programmer
>>750223647>Hey Grok, generate Star-Wars Episode 4 for me, but replace the CGI with the original animatronics and puppetry from the original theatrical release. So how long before this will be possible?
>>750224502>AI is trained on human code...And does it better. Your point?
>>750224614>So how long before this will be possible?You can do it now but you have to do it scene by scene.https://youtu.be/o6usv6cEKn8?is=w_HBXmHA8ajwXkGB
>>750224502I see people say this a lot, that AI systems are incapable of generalizing beyond their training data. Which is always a bizarre claim because strong generalization capabilities is what made LLMs so promising to begin with, all the way back to GPT-2.
>>750224631You don't even know if it's better because you are not looking at it...
>>750208491>left vs right faggotryIs it just me, or is everything on the Internet like this now?
>>750224798Yes they can hallucinate stuff they never trained. Amazing I know.
>>750224798Again it's >>750211357
>>750204146>dont disclose>people with eyes noticeYou are smeared in shit all hours of the day and have grown noseblind to how awful your kind reek.
>>750223486There's also the fundamentally truth that when creating any form of art, it's going to require some amount of human effort to even be ok even with AI. Meaning there's no free lunches. But this idea that we could shit out something of high quality with a click of a button is absolutely insane and unrealistic. The fags who often cheer for this are people who are victims of modernity which believes that efficiency is quality and that you shouldn't lift a finger to get what you need and/or want even when it comes to art. That you should be constantly entertained without respite. That you must constantly fry your dopamine receptors daily until you suicide or transition. We are deconditioning our minds from being able to do difficult to basic tasks and the market is swooping in to solve it because it needs to grow infinitely and please investors. We're in the end game
>>750224556The productivity measures that show improvement intentionally ignore the other parts of the development pipeline. They measure superfluous productivity measurements like lines of code submitted, number of tasks completed, number of jiras closed. A new feature took a day to implement instead of a week using AI will be seen as a productivity boost, but that ignores the extra months spent needing to support and maintain the feature because the person who submitted the vibe code had no idea how it works or what it does because it would have taken 2 weeks to extensively review and fully understand the code and correct + refactor any of the maintenance burdens as a fallout from slamming in the feature in a day.
>>750225126Pretty much. The future is grim.
>>750208491Divide and conquer. Sun Tzu said that.
>>750225126The line growth will continue until the economy improves.
>>750224273>game developers are all pretentious woke assholes>the whole industry should just be replaced with AI
>>750208491No idea but I'm what you would consider the chuddest right wing conservative or whatever you call it now and I'm still against AI being on everything because I hate transhumanists niggers that are trying to replace humans with their golems. Apparently trannies also agree with me in being against AI but I really don't care why they don't like it. The next generation will be the dumbest retards ever. Humans need to exercise their brains and we are not doing that anymore... It's not even about art but being a complete fucking retard. The kind of retards that love it are the ones that love shortcuts and cheat on tests. We are fucked...
>>750225089>implyingYou're not as clever as you think you are. I rather look forward to the day that the game you're fawning over is revealed to have been made with AI. Hopefully by then you've gotten over this bizarre anti-ai sentiment you and the rest of the retards here harbor.
>>750207849I love how you're genetically incapable of seeing how this is bad. No one so many indie games flop lmao
>>750221721>"Computer, make a program that does X and Y" is sci-fi made real.So is "computer, make a cool image", why use an argument that clearly isn't making your point?As far as art is concerned, I don't care if the game developer decided to generate the texture for some random barrel I'm never going to care about. It's basically no different to how game devs already grabbed textures from various asset repositories. Use AI for the unimportant shit and human effort for important shit.If anything there is probably more concern about AI being used for any code aspects as that can be more devastating if there's any bugs with code that no one actually typed in the first place.
>>750207178The average tranny could beat the shit out of any /v/irgin.
>>7502259780/10, try harder next time
>>750225697>>game developers are all pretentious woke assholesBut that's untrue.
>>750224614>NOOOO THINK OF THE MEGACORPOSfuck comcastskydancedisneynetflixfoxcnndiscovery or whatever the fuck kind of level of corporate conglomerated monstrosity they are these days, I hope they all go bankrupt and the pajeets they hire end up deported and sucking dick for money in the back alleys of mumbai
>used to think i was special for learning how to draw and learning how to code>now i'm not special and this makes me mad
>>750220693luddites went silent after this post. hm i wonder
>>750209896>browse 4chan>flock to negative discussion because human brains are hard-wired to do soYou're not as clever as you think you are, anon.
>>750207849The games do in fact speak for themselves, and 99.9999% its slop if the game was generated with AI. The AI label saves you the trouble of needing to buy the game and play it for yourself to see if its slop which is why AIfags are so adamant about removing the warning labels and want as many games using as much AI in their pipelines as possible to make the distinction between AI generated games as blurry, unclear and confusing as possible so the grift can continue.
>>750226583>this argument againLolYou will play AI games without knowing it and you will enjoy them.
>>750198902>>750199529Troons are so disgusting
>>750212661Good. I'm just having fun. Fuck corpos and fuck rent seekers.
>>750212661Profit is inherently inefficient.
>>750210129No, I am the artist. My dad getting done by a gay is unrelated.
>>750212661Entirely untrue btw, labs have like +90% margins on providing inference. For comparison grocery stores are lucky to hit +3%.
>What's wrong with being anti-AI and anti-troon at the same time?
>>750208363Then use a platform that panders to that instead of forcing your will onto everybody.
>>750227104I see this post get made in these threads and I don't actually understand it. Can someone who speaks brainrot translate it for me, please?
So we all agree that 4chan has become better thanks to AI, right?
>>750227147The anon you're responding to is under the impression that he is the champion of vidya. The idea that other people may not necessarily share his views is not something he can comprehend easily.
i was able to play god of war 3 thanks to ai so you are all my enemies
>>750227184chigyu in the pic is a derogatory japanese internet slang referring to fat gamer virgins basicallychigyu -> cheese gyudon
>>750227215AI is unironically more pleasant to interact with than 4chan. And since no one is succesfully botting on this website, no-- I don't think AI has improved 4chan.
>>750227184>>750227364There are a sizable number of right-wing Japanese chuds (chigyus) who are anti-AI on Xitter
>>750200675>Speak how I want you to>Work how I want you toIt's always the same with you people
>>750227898I want miniscule effort put in, yes
i just want the option to filter out games that have generative AI in them, I don't even care if you do or don't use it, I feel like at bare minimum the customer should have the option to decide what they want to play rather than devs having to try to play "how can we most effectively hide our ai usage"
>>750198902Holy shit trans rights
>>750228336Yeah and I feel like you need to get over it.
>>750228303Here’s a thought: make the game yourself, faggot
>>750228713If you're using ai then you didn't make a game either, faggot
>>750228659why bother replying to my post if you're not even going to interact with what I said?
>>750228850Lmao anon, I think you should get over your desire to control the way people interact with things. >>750228814I think reality begs to differ.>use AI to make a fully functional game >upload it to Steam Any amount if you screeching, “REEE YOU DIDN’T MAKE IT, YOU DIDN’T MAKE IT,” doesn’t suddenly make it true.
>>750229021>desire to control the way people interact with thingsIsn't that you? A filter would be optional so people can choose to see it or not. You want to force everyone to see it
>>750229021>Lmao anon, I think you should get over your desire to control the way people interact with things.So therefore you agree that people should have a filter that removes games that have generative AI in them. Got it.
>>750199616>>750200612Good game design is 100x more important than the use of AI or disclosure. The industry is in a place where most games aren't that good and good innovation can be the most fun game you've ever played.
