fugly mixels

>>750202650
mewgenics was successful no?

>>750202650
They haven't. But that game is fucking terrible.

>>750202724
dunno, i don't play eceleb faggotslop

because its not fun to have a party member die permanetly for the whole game.

>>750202941
then delete your dumb thread retard

>>750202650
because nu-devs can't into proper tactics.
is metal slug tictacs good?

>>750203348
its a solid 8/10.

>>750202650
They didn't. Enjoyed re-playing Tactical Breach Wizards recently and looking forward to Mars Tactics being released sometime soon. (Also when the fuck is Triangle Strategy 2 releasing?)

>>750202726
It's not terrible, it's just too easy and gets easier the more you progress, but it still has some fun mechanics.

>>750203348
Yes, it is.

They're not healthy but they're not as dead as RTS. Had some fun with Fell Seal, even though I didn't like character sprites for humans and the portraits were a complete mess. Dark Deity 2 was alright for a Fire Emblem-like but 1 had more janksoul and powertripping units. Hoping Tiny Metal 2 is good

>>750203029
Nah I'm with that dude, mewgenics kinda blows

>>750203723
The game is mechanically good, aesthetically fucking heinous.

Hating it because of 'e-celebs' is just retardation though. That's forming your opinion of a game exclusively based on what retarded shit gets posted on /v/ about it. Hating it because the art is terrible and the dialogue is so fucking cringe-worthy is reasonable, hating it because of /v/ is retarded.

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>>750202686
That's a trend I hate with newer SNK games. Sometimes they'll literally just shrink a sprite in paint without touching it up for the new scale, ruining it.

>>750202650
We're getting a Himukai Yuuji tactics in a few days though

>>750202650
>turns take forever
>you may move two tiles and perform one action!
>random bullshit like crits determine outcomes

>>750203909
Worrying about why someone hates something is crazy work, not usually genuine when I say this but you might actually be retarded.

>>750202650
matsuno is working on an unannounced project

Troubleshooters did a lot of cool things that fixed my usual issues with tactics games.

>>750203909
ecelebs enough is sufficient to disregard it entirely

>>750203348
it's fun, but it was left so unfinished and bare.
what a fucking shitshow.

>>750204120
You're offended that I'm saying that taking your opinions straight from /v/ is retarded. Jesus christ. And using zoomer terminology.

To put it into terms you can understand: you're using /v/ for your groupthink, fr fr, no cap. Like, lowkey, that's not even okay.

>>750204180
No, it's not. Because just saying 'e-celebs' is meaningless nonsense. Either articulate what your actual problem is or continue being retarded I guess.

>>750204383
>reddit spacing
I was too nice, to the woodchipper you go faggot

>>750203348
roguelike map design and character progression are terrible and lazy. It shows the devs have no idea how to make a tactics game and just let AI slop do all the work.

>>750202650
>series know for high octane action
>make the most boring tactics game possible with it
I played a bunch of tactics game and other turn-based strategy, but that one bored me before I could even finish the demo.

>>750203723
Yeah I don't care how tight and fun the game is, putting pee and poo aesthetics will turn me away a game instantly.

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They didn't

>>750203909
What's ugly about it?

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>>750203532
I kind of hope TS2 goes all in on weird shit. Need more games with cool units

>>750204736
>putting pee and poo aesthetics
Literally one(1) level is like that.

>>750204383
>No, it's not.
yes it is. can't wait for ai to replace them completely.

>>750204607
was E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy vibecoded?

>>750206041
zoomers are disgusted by newgrounds art because they are too transgender. they only like uncanny faux-pixel indie wokeslop.

>>750206674
Zoomers grew up on newgrounds tho?

>>750203909
The house shit sucks and so does needing to equip your cats with like 20 fucking items before every run.

>>750202650
>tactics game
>picture of a puzzle box game
Into the Breach and similar are not real tactics games. We need to split them off that genre into their own thing.

>>750206757
nah not the early stuff. I remember there was a definite culture shift around 2008 though. Shit was always filled with underages but from that point on everything became sensitive and gay

>>750203025
literally only one game has permadeath and the threads on /v/ prove it's not worth playing

>>750204607
>just let AI slop do all the work.
>game released in 2024 before the AI boom
retard

>>750207006
>Basing your taste and enjoyment on /v/
I shiggy

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>>750202650
I love this game, I've tried to recommend it to many people here

>>750204475
>Complains about niggit spacing
>Niggit spaces himself
Lol. Kek-lmao even

>>750202650
>Regular tactics games
They don't accept the HEX
>Tactics rpg's
Too much jap devs copied tactics ogre and final tactics. Problem is, those games suck dick. Positioning doesn't matter while half the mechanics don't work. People meme other srpg's but these and their clones are slow as shit

>>750207331
>doesn't know what reddit spacing is

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>>750202650
they didn't die. Right now I'm playing:
xcom long war rebalance
fire emblem engage, three houses, fates
xcom xpiratez
mewgenics

If jake solomon/firaxis wasn't retarded we'd have an xcom 3
if squaresoft wasn't retarded we'd have had a final fantasy tactics 2 instead of that slop advance

>>750207331
You're new here, apparently you don't know what that even refers to.

>>750207475
>Does it again

>>750203632
Does the story for Fell Seal get any better? I kept waiting for it to go beyond just super mundane, boring shit. I dropped it in like chapter 3 or 4 I think.

>>750203348
Fuck no. It's a shitty roguelite with bad gameplay and mission design. It's frustrating and boring. Worst of its genre by a lot.

>>750207464
Just give me Fantasy General 2 that's not shit

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>>750202650
This was good

>>750207538
Not really chief I'm not gonna lie. I kept playing it because I liked making teams to beat up the bad guys for a while and that specific style seems to be much more rare for indie SRPGs. A lot of classes and bullshit to have though if that's your schtick. I'm waiting on their next game Pathbreakers

Tactics games I recommend
>Hard West 2
Fun, arcade-y tactics game. You regain all your action points with every kill, so the unique concept is to chain together long combo kills and try to win the entire map in just a few rounds.
>2 Fights in 2 Spaces
One of my favorite roguelites to spend time in is FiTS, I have many hundreds of hours in it. Recommending the early access sequel instead because people might not have heard of it
>King Arthur: Knight's Tale
Maybe the best melee focused tactics game. Really fun, and with a unique morality system. Just make sure to not be neutral or you will miss out on unlocking new characters
>Steamworld Heist 2
Neat little game about bouncing bullets around rooms to hit your targets.

>>750207464
This

>>750207675
Metal Slug Tactics basically stole Into the Breach's concept if that interests you. But it added a mechanic to simulate the run n gun style by giving you armor based on how far you ran. So every turn you're supposed to move the max amount, even if you end up standing in the open.

>>750203348
It's fucking horrible, they made it a shit-like and it ruined every gram of potential the game had.

>>750207953
Doesn't help everytime they acutally DO something good, they get shitted on for not playing like final fantasy tactics. Despite every fftfag making it obvious they only like it for the story even when they talk about gameplay.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/995980/Fae_Tactics/
play this one bros

>>750202650
anything like the original X-COM?

well metal slug tactics was extremely barebones and they basically had no post-launch support for it. It came out and had like 20 maps and that's it.

>>750203532
>gets easier the more you progress
Shouldn't it be harder? A SNK game, and Metal Slug, of all fucking games, gets EASIER with time?
That already seems like a glaring mistake on this game's design, nevermind the tactic RPG change

>>750202650
Thats a puzzle

>>750202650
>why did [genre that is constantly getting new games] die?!?!
Fucking hate OPs like these, if you want to talk tactics just make a normal thread, no need to whine about some imaginary plights

>>750203723
I have 700h in Mewgenics and 3000h in Isaac

>>750209580
It's understandable in this case. A genre with near limitless potential was poisoned by the wrong games getting popular.

>>750206821
Next update is getting a pure roguelike mode. You're provided starting cats, collars, and some equipment and all you have to do is make it to the end of the act without worrying about meta progression. The game is very playable without engaging with the house stuff much anyway.

>>750204834
That cat is fucking bald

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>>750202650
A fire emblem game came out a month ago.

Same reason any turn based games are dying. People overwhelmingly prefer action games.

>>750204834
Couldn't find a more recent example? This thing is older than half the anons itt.

>>750203909
>Cat breeding cancer is good actually!
I'd prefer cat Xcom to everything going on in mewgenics.

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>>750207481
>If jake solomon/firaxis wasn't retarded we'd have an xcom 3
You don't want that.

>>750210203
A shame that some people ruined that skirt's color combination
Yes I know that's gold and not white but it's a very faint gold in the gif

>>750203909
The soundtrack makes the game kino and the game looks good enough for a game about alley cats with coprophagia

>>750209049
From the xcom devs of course.
Laser squad for the c64
Rebelstar for the gba
Ghost recon shadow wars
Phoenix point
>>750210256
This would be based but what the fuck was up with that trend years ago turning all action games into soulslikes?

>>750202650
Not dead, just overshadowed by vidya that are easier to play and easier to make, like card games, dice games, four-dudes-in-a-row, rogueshite and whatever.

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buy you guys told me this would revive the genre

i like tactics games

>>750207816
Well, that's good to know. I do enjoy trying wacky combinations to make some game-breaking synergies. I guess I can continue without at least waiting for the other shoe to drop.

>>750203348
Barely a tactics game. More puzzle than tactics.

>>750211008
no one anywhere said that. In fact I thought it was gonna be a tremendous flop like 99% of edmund's game because he's a fucking weirdo, but he appeals to people for some reason so hey. It succeeded but in a way that much like isaac, it's not doing much for the genre, it's just a really polished core game.

I tend to enjoy more deterministic puzzle tactics games. Not a big fan of all the Fire Emblem and Final Fantasy Tactics like games where its all about rng and grinding. I like games that feel like chess puzzles.

Into the breach was the last tactics game I enjoyed.

I'm not sure, but the few I have played I did love, which were Advanced Wars and a Fire Emblem game. Oddly fun genre.

>>750211581
I wasn't crazy about the game, but Tactical Breach Wizards is basically purely a puzzle game.

>>750202650
It's to long and complicated for the average normalfag to enjoy, they need slop like the souls games.

>>750210371
why do you make me read this

>>750207675
also has a good mobile version

>>750202650
Like a lot of specific genres, it wasn't compatible wit highly parallelized, highly uncoordinated modern slop development.
A tactics game needs to be greater than the sum of its parts to be appealing and that needs tight focus and ideally a team of multi-disciplinarians.

>>750208860
Based suggestion. Few games have this much soul.

The generation that enjoyed and grew up with them grew up and became adults and don’t have time to spend 30 minutes fighting a battle they may lose and have to all over again and the younger generation doesn’t have the attention span to fight the 30 minute battle

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>>750203348
it's not as bad as people are saying, but it's definitely wasted potential with the roguelite design

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I played this earlier this year, and it played really well. I wouldn't mind a sequel where they do more, but for a tactics game starring the TMNT, it was solid.

>>750203909
Mechanically good my ass. I appreciate the attempt at filling the game with shit, but there is no way to keep it balanced because of it. I quit out of boredom after clearing the ice age without losing a single cat the entire play file other than the throbbing domain sacrifice. The game is broken in an unfun way that just wastes your time without providing a justifiable challenge.

>>750202650
Many of them are just turn-based RPGs with aoe options on a grid more than anything, so they're boring by design. Others are like Disgaea and more like visual novels tacked onto a different game all together.

>>750210203
Fire Emblem is literally not a tactics game. It's a simulation rpg

>>750202650
>"tactics" game
>look inside
>its just an ITB puzzle rogue-like

>>750202650
I tried to buy that game for my phone, but it demanded a crunchyroll subscription for some reason.

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>>750202650
>he isn't playing tactics kino on his phone
>implying
>mfw

>>750213854
Tomato
Tomato

>>750207675
This leaned too heavily into being a puzzle game instead of an actual tactics game imo, and the margin of error is way too narrow with how you get shit rewards for an island if you fuck up even one mission.

>>750210203
Yeah and it's terrible just like the last couple ones.

>>750207675
It's impressive as a dynamically generated puzzle game but fairly boring if you're strictly looking for a tactics RPG

>>750214205
Correct, nobody says to"may"to like a retard

>>750202650
>Why did tactics games die?
>Doesn't count
>It has X, doesn't count
>That's a Y
Glad to know that there have been no tactics games ever made. They should start making some.

>>750213975
>puzzle rogue-like
This sounds like the worst genre mash up possible

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>>750214147
why do phone games insist on looking like phone games?

they all look like the people playing them are just this

>>750214357
Real tactics need to be on the battlefield. Enlist today.

>>750214383
it works well enough for ITB because its a small enough map each time

>>750202650
Big identity issues and weird games trying to appeal to very different crowds because of it.
There are two types of tactics games, RPGs and puzzle games.
Some think both of these belong in the same game, they don't.
The biggest issue is tactics games being unclear which one they are, it really just needs to be different genres of games, because they are.


And lets not even get into how often tactics combat is used in a visual novel and then they act like its a serious rpg not just a visual novel with barebones combat mechanics.
Imagine you are a casual consumer who finds out they like games like this, maybe they like puzzle focused ones, maybe rpg focused, whatever. When find a game that looks cool in the genre, buy it, and its completely different, they have a bad time, try again, oops the same thing happened, then they just stop playing games in the genre.

I don't think there is another genre with such discoverability issues and meaningless genre label. Roguelikes is similar but if you are playing actual roguelikes you can figure out how to find them and don't really need to worry about the genre name being worthless.

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>>750214396
Idk but I play tacticus and I look like this

>>750202650
it's too fucking slow and boring

>>750202650
Too long and too hard, made people think they were stupid (they are).

>>750214396
Because that's what sells and that's what their audience expects

>>750215849
its the look of generic slop phone game. there are phone games that look like real games that do just as well

>>750215939
Yeah but if you're an executive in charge of funding a new game, do you bet on something that looks like a real game or do you just follow what you know for sure works for the majority of phone games?

>>750211226
i really can't stand his aesthetics

>>750213618
You didnt unlock the harder difficulties? I'm taking druid and thief to Moon on Crazy difficulty right now

>>750216038
So what? Shit still looks, smells and tastes like shit no matter who thought it was a good idea

>>750202650
lack of datesim elements!

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>>750216508
Hehe, Hunter rolled Scatter Shot as starting active and already had rubber arrows :D

>>750207675
this is not an srpg
this is a puzzle game

>>750214147
There's quite a few 40k tactics games, any that are fun?

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>>750202650
>why did tactics games die?
Tactical games are still made. I recently bought Jagged Alliance 3 on GOG and it has been great.

Speaking of mobile tactics games. Does Pawnbarian count? I think it was made by a guy from here.

>>750217362
Seconding this because at least one of them is statistically bound to be good, but I'm not about rifling through mountains of slop to find it.

>>750217362
Mechanicus was good. Cool soundtrack too.

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>>750216062
normie

There just aren't that many of these games that you can make, because no one has any good ideas. Mechanically simple games like SRPGs and JRPGs get like, one generation of clones before they're unplayably derivative.

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>>750217586
I had decent enough fun with it, along with Metal Slug Tactics. Shame they went the XCOM 2 route for JA3 instead of being a military simulator like JA2 tried to be.

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>>750202650
nonsense

What makes a tactics game good or fun then?

>>750217586
Hey look, XCOM

what's the difference between an SRPG and a tactical RPG

>>750202650
This art fucking sucks. Its done by someone who just started using pixel art.

>>750219632
The letter before RPG

>>750219217
that's so badass bro

>>750215939
No, they don't. The slop gets tens of millions of downloads, decent-looking stuff struggles to get past fifty thousand.

>>750219632
TRPG stands for Tabletop RPG (gay shit for nerds)
SRPG stands for Strategy RPG (kino video game genre for high IQ individuals)

Thus, you should always refer to these games as SRPGs.

>>750219632
Different names for the same genre.

>>750202650
It fills with unspeakable rage that this is a roguelite

>>750202650
they were niche 20 years ago and they're niche today

>>750219632
the grid. That's it

>>750207675
I liked it, but it is very easy. I only lost once or even never.

This genre will only ever return to it's former glory if Disgaea goes back to HD sprites.

>>750219632
SRPG is anime-styled. It's a Japanese acronym that actually stands for 'simulation RPG'.

>>750207481
FFTA was a good game. Not slop, and the music was soul.
>>750210332
Nigger wearing that? Improbable.
>>750214396
That is terrifying. Now we know why the Japs don't allow recreational drugs besides alcohol and tobacco

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>>750220336
TRPG is tactical RPG
TTRPG is Table Top RPG

>>750207481
I'll bite. What does FFT have over FFTA or FFTA2? I played them all so you better come up with something real.

They didn't.

>>750202726
I just installed it
What's wrong with it ?

>>750221552
A better name

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I like the R-type one

>>750225103
is that the remake? is it better than the psp original?

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>>750225524
Honestly not really. 1 has balance changes from 2 backported so reduced radar range on jormungandr and midnight eye, gains mk2 takes 2 turns to charge, and most importantly you can fill up your flagships in the deploy phase and the number of deploy slots was not rebalanced with this in mind so you have way more units than intended. I think 2 is pretty much the same as the psp version. Then there's a couple extra missions just for this release that let you deploy both bydo and human units.
Personally I liked the look of the original better than this version. The 3d models are complete static even instead of having their thrusters animated

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the pinnacle of the genre is fairly recent and a sequel is in the works now

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War of Banners demo is fun.

Other decent modern titles I've played recently are Troubleshooters, XCOM EW long war rebalance, Solasta 1 (especially player made campaigns with UB mod), Battletech aside from the crew and story, Archaelund, Expeditions Rome (aside from the black centurions), HoMM OE potentially, King Arthur: Knight's Tale, Our Adventurer Guild, Valkyria Chronicles 1 & 4. Seems like the market is still there because developers keep making games in the genre, just not as frequently as would be ideal.

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>>750226223
>is the first season of

>>750227512
it's just a poor description by gook devs. it's a normal game and a very complete experience

>>750202650
I love this game. I wish they added more content like zombies, mars people, etc.

>>750203909
>aesthetically fucking heinous
huh? i think it's presentation is really nice

>>750202650
because moving units out of combat sucks

>>750228360
>crpgs still haven't figured out what tabletop games did fifty years ago