>Meanwhile in The Sims /v/...
>>750223308I can't wait for TS5 made by vibecoders mashing together The Sims 2 & 3's gameplay and 4's sex mods.
Spent another day drilling holes in my yard for rare gems to store in my basement.
its still so weird nobody ever made a competitor to this game, it doesn't even need big graphics and the audience is already built in
>>750223308>>Meanwhile in The Sims /v/...>PUT THE LADDER BACK IN THE POOL>I BEG YOU
>>750223308Goozorb? Verada ixnu!
There's no place like home.
>>750223308DEATH WONT LET ME DIE AND KEEPS LAUGHING AT ME HEEEEEELP
Strange, I am suddenly surrounded by 8 BBQs and I'm not very good at grilling. Ah well, family is hungry.
I remember buying a washing machine in the sims 3 and it had a negative impact on my sims' tidiness. Suddenly they were leaving clothes all over the floor in the house when before that had never been a thing. Do NOT buy the washing machine
>>750223786the sims audience are golems who spend thousands of dollars on sims garbage, or moddersthey're like nintendo brand loyalists but with the sims
that's some banger tunes
>>750224254>*burp*>Aahhhhh
>>750224108bathroom too bigno stove/microwaveunnecessary hallway
>>750223478Is 4 the best platform for modding?
>>750224254so tomar what would you do if every time you looked at a wall it disappeared and you could see through it but still couldn't like actually go through it
I managed to clip my rig into my poolguys, I'm posting from my pool, lulzwait where's the ladderOH GOD WHERE'S THE FUCKING LADDER IT'S GONE OH SHIT
>>750224201It was always annoying since I wanted a decked out bathroom but there's really no benefit to it besides a mediocre moodlet for "fresh clothes" or whatever that only lasts an hour.
>>750224314I don't think 4 of best of anything tbqh
>>750224531Do tell. It's been a long time since I fucked around with the sims.
I STILL DONT KNOW WHETHER TO PLAY SIMS 2 OR 3 OR 4 EVERYONE MAKES SUCH GOOD POINTS. AAAAHHHHHHH (ALREADY PLAYED 1)
>>7502246062 for actual kino gameplay, 3 for the house building, 4 for dressup sim and porn
>>750224606I always miss 3's living world when I try to play the others. Though 2 is most nostalgic to me
>>750224108>bed facing the doorthis is some horror movie feng shui
>>750223746Based collectorMy sims playtroughs from 20 years ago resembling to my adult life.Grind, ignore social needs, other sims suck and stupid anyway, mental breakdown, 'just get the next fancy stuff and the fun starts for real'.Holy shit im going to cry.
>>750224703Is the porn bad on 3?
>>750224984It's good, about the same as S4 iirc, but S4 has better graphics for it.
Another long work day for Mr. Summers, I wonder what his wife Jenny is up to today...I need to redownload the game today, I need a little naughty fun
>>750224018>>750224456idiots left their pool ladders out in the open, they were asking for it.
>>750225152I'll never accept the series where you play pokemon with every wife in town is now only known a dollhouse game for girls
>>750223308sims 3 still runs like shit?
>>750224108What's the point of the hallway
>>750225832So you don't have the noise of the TV right up against your bedroom wall are you dense
When I was a kid, my mom would make Sims of the two of us, and make them kiss because it made me angry.
>>750226008Was your mom a "ara ara" type?
>>750224108>no toilet
>>750225152>Consider booting up 4 for porn>Remember I haven't patched my mods in a whileI was hoping Sims 4 development being dead would make it less of a hassle, but it's still a hassle
>sims 3 is still the only one where you can make truly fat bitches, which pleases me>all the maxis match outfits fuckin suck if you want something completely normal like "a jacket" or "overalls" or god forbid, "just a hat"i guess i can reinstall again, spend 3 weeks tracking down and tweaking mods, make one sim in the starting town, send him to work every day and writing every night to speedrun his career, seduce the goth chick, then take one trip to France, get bored and never play againthis will be the fourth time i have done this process
The fact that 3 let you troll online forums to fill your social with the evil trait will forever make it the best one.
>>750226047Not at all, she is like 150cm tall.
was the cooked baby controversy a real thingare there cannibal mods for the other sims games
>>750225915Hallways are for going places anon.
>>750224108>no curtains>no shitter>inefficient use of space>empty void in the hallway >bed facing the door>couch facing away from the door2/10 would not pour oil down the kitchen sink.
>>750226167Indians do all of their shitting and pissing outside.
>>750226605>not pissing in the sink and wafflestomping in the showerNgmi
>>750224108>wake up at 4 AM need to piss >have to go on an adventure
>the fucking corrupted doll that would infect other mods and kill your saves
>>750223308>the carpool will arrive im 1 hour
>>750226667>wanting to stomp on your own shit daily
>>7502246063 for the openworld and L A G while 4 remains the pinnacle for coom potential. The actual world and lots are borderline pathetic with how little starting variety there is on offer. Some autists out there have managed to make Kowloon Walled City inspired lots so the modders will always make up for what Maxis lacks.
>>750226734anon has a job?
>>750224108If your living room isn't at least the size of a football field then get the fuck out.
>>750226676>Objective : Survive...
>>750226536Right, from the living room to the hallway to the bedroom. Good job anon! :D
>>750226924>the biggest lot in 4 is 65 x 65>wouldn't even be a fraction of the space required to make your own private ziggurat Grim
>serial killer music plays>look out the window>see this
>>750227042GET OFF OF MY TRASHCAN
>>750227042I wish I could keep pets enabled but I was tired of having fucking horses in my yard every day.
>>750226776>shitting daily
>>750226924kek
>>750225718if you use the common fixes its ok>https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1131162350the biggest cause of the microlag is the constant loading/unloading of lots as you move the camera around. even when you are zoomed in on a single room in your house, the game will load other lots around you by moving the camera a foot. even with all other settings on highest, you should turn the amount of loaded lots down to 2-3
Guys I couldn't hold it in and everyone saw me piss myself because of the FUCKING accident camera why does every establishment have that??
>>750227149>not shitting hourly
>>750224108abaolute trash
>>750224314it is but by default2 is too old to properly add anything or work around the engine, 3 is already shitting itself without the need of mods
HAHA very funny guys... come on get better material
>>750224201Yeah, washing machine is a late game item for when you have a retired Sim who can pretty much act like the family Butler.I've played enough of a Sims Legacy Challenge to realize the Butler is pretty much the main character and their man job is keep everything around the house clean, in working order, take care of the kids, and giving your other 7 kids and relatives good moodlets so they can skill train, sate themselves, and go make unreasonable amounts of money you'll never spend.
The sloppers are making open world Sims 2 and that OpenTS3 project is actually pretty far ahead, hopefully they manage to successfully unfuck Sims 3 at least.
>>750227496>3 is already shitting itself without the need of modsThat bad huh?
>>750227217>perfectly framed and posed screenshot>one sim in the background still having a fit over pathing issues
>>750227686sims 3 is fucking amazing at the idea of "Go here and it's actually a city" the issue is, the devs clog the system with it trying to keep tabs on EVERYONE and their homes at the same timeIn modern times? possiblebut the game wasn't made in modern times was it?
>>750223478Someone is working on a 64 bit sims 3 and someone else is working on an open world mod for sims 2
>>750227498
>>750227686If Sims 2 is a statue made of literal duct tape that will die if you stare at it too long and somehow get tape gunk on everything next to it as well, 3 is a Lego set that looks cool out of the box but has 32 alternate builds of increasingly worse stability tempting you to try it just this once and it won't irrevocably break (it will).
>>7502270174 is so fucking ass
>>750228131I never had Sims 2 fail on me, the worst that happened was due to me fucking around in SimPE.
>>750228041Imagine
>>750224606For me 3 but just because of the open-world;Having loading screens, even if fast, break the continuity and makes everything feel claustrophobic. I also prefer Sims 3 Character traits system over Sims 2 Personality sliders.Also the details of 2 are neat but after enough repetition it becomes mundane,
>>750227826try having 15 sims over for a party in an equally small house in 4. theres a reason they made them route right through each other rather than wait or fail. the 3 guide has a setting to change which changes the minimum distance needed for sims to go around each other that helps but its never going to be perfect. inzoi can't get it right either in small enough areas
i don't know how to actually have fun with the sims
going to break the toilet for the 5th time today, complain a bit then try to finish off half rotten cold cuts I left outside
i love the sims but it's such a pain in the ass to torrent and set up and then i just get bored after a few days, though i always find myself going back because of how damn comfy it is. i can only hope that paralives game turns out well.
Why is the music in the sims 1 so fucking SOUL?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=399YneFTwh0&list=PL28035C5306F62897
>>750228564My office and my room
>>750228078nope, not falling for that gif
>>750225832liminal space
>>750228564The mirror should be a secret one-way mirror facing toward the toilet.
>>750228564>Fritzlmaxxing
>>750227686Sims 3 suffers from being limited to 32 bit, which only allows it to use up to 4 gb of RAM, and the game clearly needs much more to be able to breathe. That OpenTS3 project is trying to basically rebuild the game in 64 bit which should fix these issues and allow for much more intricate mods.
>>750228078>dong ding
still anxiously waiting for his return
>>750228078AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH
>>750228804>Sims 3 suffers from being limited to 32 bit, which only allows it to use up to 4 gb of RAMCan't you just flip the IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE PE flag?
>>750228958The first thread was great but he kinda lost the plot afterward. We need more sims threads in general they're always a blast.
>>750228969It's still only limited to 4 gb, and while the game is relatively optimized it still struggles to actually run in such a constrained space.
>>750223308>OP wohoo's 5 male sims at a time
>>750228969that was already done in one of the later patches. originally its 2gb it can access, large address aware is only 4gb. either way that isn't really sims 3's problem as most maps don't even use 2gb. the only time you hit the memory limit is when traveling between large worlds like trying to travel home to isla from a vacation world. most of the microlag comes from lots loading and unloading constantly whenever you move or rotate the camera.
>>750224108>>750224840The whole thing is bad feng shui.>head of the bed out the window>feet of the bed towards the door>main door at the back of the couch>hallway cutting the space in two
>>750224606i'd start with 2 on console, then 3 on pc, then ignore 4 forever
>>7502291932 on console is a completely different game to 2 on pc retard
>>750229142>>750229190Shieeeet.Well, at least there are efforts to fix these. From my memory, the sims 3 was kind of the ultimate experience and the sims 4 was a bit of a let down when it came out.
>boot up sims 4>make my usual fat bastard self>somehow charismatic as fuck>proceed to fuck and impregnate everyone in the game (men, women, children, animals) until my family lineage is a disgusting tree of horror>get bored>marry one of the women>quit playing
>>750229190I've had crashes just panning through the town looking for collectibles with settings too high, it's unpredictable unless you limit yourself to rendering as little as possible
>>750229239I know, that's why I suggested it
>>750229190>loading and unloading constantlyThis can be fixed with 64 bit as well, you basically load much bigger chunks of the map into memory which would reduce the stuttering.
>>750228078What the fuck
>>750223308Gwobble flurby, shimso wanna doobie!
>>750229576>slabadifarno KGWARNI!! HAHAHA !!!
>>750229731LMAO!!!
>make sexy female sim>allow adult-teen relationships: true>Ambitions: installed>career path: educationit's gaming time
>>750228078wtf
>>750224254who invited tectone
I found this video a while ago, wonder if anyone here is old enough to have been around for the linked threads. Images won't load obviously because it's ancient.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQAEqWuHpu8
sims 3 is so awesome wish it didnt ran like shit
>be lonley teen playing Sims 1>always creating my fantasy romance and dream girl my Sim marries>38 years old playing Sims 4 after years of dealing with shit girlfriends>can't stop making a Chad Sim that fucks underage teens and hangs their nudes paintings on the dungeon wallsSomewhere in my past a malfunction has occurred
https://opents3.com/What are the chances this doesn't get shut down by EA before it releases?
>>750230458probably will stay active as long as it requires the original files, ala something like Starbound
>>750230458They made the mistake of announcing they are working on it instead of just releasing it when it's done.
I like the sounds of the sims 1 tv channelsthey remind me of Max payneas do the flamingo garden ornaments and the vibrating heartbeds
>>750230572https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-cQrJqXJMo
>haya haya haya>shicka zicka soom>ay
>>750223308Got engaged and married today. Traditional kitchen wedding after getting home from work. Romantic as fuck
>>750224108Where do you shit?
post your daughter
>>750230263>somewhereyeah, at birth
>>750231072>tattoos
>>750231961>shitty cd caseI miss the old plastic boxes they came in
I have constructed my television room, I shall view it from the window outside, standing on a stool.
>>750228041>>750223478this, it's already happening.
>>750228041>a 64 bit sims 3With load times under 15 minutes?
>>750231961making babies with Arisu in the sims
>>750223786Paralives and Inzoi
I have never played The Sims 4.
>>750232302Inzoi almost killed my PC just trying to launch it. Billionaire snob product, I shan't upgrade my system
>>750229190also iirc the game pretty much only runs in a single thread, so it always chugs no matter what CPU you use.
>>750224108Where is your toilet?
>>7502246062 or 3 are the only long term choices1 is great for old school vibes but it's quite limited compared to 2 and it'll wear on you eventually4 sucks
>>7502276863, besides the weaker art style compared to 2, has all the ingredients to be the best entry, the open neighborhood is great, the create-a-style is fantastic, and plenty was added in expansions. However, it is held together with paperclips and a prayer.
>>750224254I no longer recall why I made this.
>>750228749kek
*ring ring*
I do not understand the layout of this house from Neighborhood 2.
>>750232840open plan
>>750232612>weaker art stylelol thats one way to put itI would say it looks like puddled dogshit but thats just me
Where do I get mods, since atf is kill?
>>750224108>couch backing facing an entry to the roomwho the fuck does that? do you want to get stabbed?
>>750232116This is unironically what my dad did during football season when he wanted to watch the game while barbecuing steak and chicken
>>750234148SimNation is one of those first world countries where that isn't much of a riskPlenty of other horrible ways to die though
>>750234419>he won't see the robbers and repomen coming until the TV is already in their swag bagbeing raped is too good a punishment for such negligence
SOME COCKSUCKER KICKED MY TRASH CAN WHILE I WAS AT WORK AND NOW THERE ARE ROACHES EVERYWHERE
>>750234419I live in the 1st worldin a town that has like 1 murder every 20 years which actually was manslaughterand when I sat with my back facing the door at my desk I always felt super uneasy
>>750234485He might have his burglar alarm on the outside somewhere, though I don't remember if that trick worked past the first game
I want the sims to have hybrid life states.>sim gets eaten by cowplant>reincarnates with vampire mother>now minotaur plantsim dhampirOr>sixamese ayyyy learns magic
*HONK HONK*
>>750235283i want you to have a different life state
>>750235283>Sims x GTA Imagine the carnage that would unfold.
>>750235486NOT THE WAGIE CAR
>>750235486>this piece of shit would be considered a luxury sedan nowKek
>>750223308I'm bored, I'll play some gamesHuh? What was I doing? I'm bored, I'll play some gamesHuh? What was I doing? I'm bored, I'll play some gamesHuh? What was I doing? I'm bored, I'll play some gamesI'm tired, I'll go to sleepHuh? What was I doing? I'm tired, I'll go to sleepI need to pee, I'll go to the bathroomHuh? What was I doing? I'm tired, I'll go to sleep
>>750235486AWOOGAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYSfv8iXUs0
>>750235486FUCK OFF
>>750232735>Guy was a Hotline Psychic>Really? He didn't see it coming
>>750223308maybe im just a fucking RETARD, but i can never get quite the experience i want from the sims. like its way too easy and fast to advance relationships and get whatever you want. i sorta wish there was like a hard mode type thing
>>750237073play sims 1, the game gets more difficult the more you add sims to a family
>>750236308Literally me...
>rings your doorbellWhat do you do?
>design fun homes filled to the brim with all kinds of stuff to make it look really lived in>this breaks the pathing and your sims can't walk through rooms despite nothing being blocked offThe aspect of maintaining your sims in Sims 1 is so bad, the building alone is far more enjoyable and fulfilling. The gauges also drain incredibly fast, your sim will be in a constant cycle of job, eat, shit, sleep, eat, job, shit, sleep with no time for anything constructive or artisticAnd you can't even make them drain slower. I've found that having your sim sit down, then using cheats to delete the chair spawns your sim back with full gauges and keeps their stats. If you're halfway through leveling something up, that progress is gone though, and I can't remember fully if you lose relationship stats or not.I've noticed similar path breaking even as late as Sims 4, but it's due to me making incredibly complicated builds, and sometimes to make something look really good, it just ruins playability of the house.
>>750238475Sick my black dragon on her.
>>750235486>doesn't get a lift to work in a helicopterScrub
>>750232135you will still need a ssd
>>750232405https://www.nexusmods.com/inzoi/mods/1566Inzoi finally has vibe coded and vibe animated porn mod
>Love architecture >Have ideas I think would be interesting to see.>Specifically 2-3 bedroom houses>Sims 4 wants a fuck load of money for furniture packsKill Saudis. Another other alternatives?
>>750238475Who where?
HAH HAH HAH YOU HAVE A HORN!
>>750240846Piracy, like all self respecting Sims players do
>>750240846An architecture oriented CAD program?
It's the talk of the town.
>>750240846Pirate 3
>>750241008
>>7502234783 FOREVER
>>750238475spend hours spamming jokes and flowers followed by kissing and caressing while all her needs are at rock bottom only for her to leave before I can seal the deal
>>750241031vaguely lynchian
iam trying to vibecode a TS2 multiplayer mod and holy fuck this shit is a clusterfuck to mod
>>750240846pirate paralives instead. it's the only thing that dogshit game has over sims is the building aspect
>>750225832soundproofing the bedroom from the rest of the house. It works both ways.
>>750229193>ignore 4 forever4 needs a complete from-the-ground-up rebuild almost as much as 3 does, and in some ways, more than 3 does. It's such a broken buggy mess that it hardly works without mods. There are game-breaking bugs that permanently and irrevocably destroy your sims. There are DLCs with content that has been broken since release. The sad part is, there's a decent game underneath the broken mess.
>>750234539it worked in Sims 3
>>750238567>I've found that having your sim sit down, then using cheats to delete the chair spawns your sim back with full gauges and keeps their stats. If you're halfway through leveling something up, that progress is gone though, and I can't remember fully if you lose relationship stats or not.you need to save first
>>750226448>cooked baby controversy
>>750243778>It's such a broken buggy mess that it hardly works without modsno, but okay
>>750228370well you can self insert and build a perfect life, but that gets boring quickly and is kinda depressingso you can create chaotic situations, kinda like a storybuilder where you hold it together sometimes, and other times just let things happen.or you can play it like a girl, just a virtual dollhouse, constantly pausing to give long lists of commands to everyone and making sure everything works out exactly like you wanted.
>>750244180>or you can play it like a girl, just a virtual dollhouse, constantly pausing to give long lists of commands to everyone and making sure everything works out exactly like you wanted.this is what i end up doing but can only juggle one sim at a time
has claude fixed sims 3 performance yet?
>>750244250runs fine. just don't install literally everything, only the things you want and will use. otherwise the bloat becomes overwhelming and hits bottlenecks in the processing. the girl forums about the sims could tell you more about optimizing shitloads of content, especially on old shitty computers, but it sounds like a pain in the ass to me.
>>750227078/mlp/ is that way
>>750244298>just don't install literally everything, only the things you want and will usei want to use all of it. all the packs and dlcs and everything.@claude fix sims 3 and make it run flawlessly
>>750241031any sims with signs across the street?
>>750227078Is there a way to disable pets from that sims 1 complete edition? It honestly ruins the entire game for me.
>>750244358Well, you can figure it out with AI or dive into reddit.com/r/thesims3
After two decades of technological progress, TS2 still requires 10 minutes for each loading screen.
>>750238475
>>750241031The swimming pool should be walled in, tightly (or very loosely) and have bright, colored lights that change color occasionally. Except for one white light that's always at full power somewhere.
>>750244406no i want someone else to do that for me while i shitpost on 4chan@me when it's done anonymous
>>750227078>>750244397my problem was that some random mod gave pet dogs full agency while everyone was at work or school, so you couldn't fast forward it OR control the dogs, and they just ran around town raping everyone during the work hours, and you got notifications everytime, plus the camera would zoom to the spot if the girl got impregnated, but at that point it would just be her running away while the dog laid down and took a nap. I'd like to know what cheeky bastard slipped that one into the otherwise vanilla porn mods, never figured it out.
>>750244632>you couldn't fast forward it OR control the dogs, and they just ran around town raping everyone during the work hours, and you got notifications everytime, plus the camera would zoom to the spot if the girl got impregnated, but at that point it would just be her running away while the dog laid down and took a nap
>>750226924KEK this was every house I built as a kidJust one fuckhuge living room full of every object in the game paid with cheated money
>>750244912it was insane. anyone unemployed or walking around outside during the day had a high chance of getting raped by a dog. Not just your household dogs, every fucking dog did this, and there were some stray dogs who seemed to do nothing else. After 3 days (in game) I just uninstalled it and gave up. Too much work for too little reward, wasn't trying to see that shit all the time while I'm trying to make some stories that end in better ways.
>>750228078made me think
>>750240846Sims 4 DLC pricing is so bad that it makes Paradox and Creative Assembly's DLC practices look downright generous.
>>750245337this was a $50 dollar neighbourhood in 2000. $97.82 adjusted for inflation
>>750228078delete this right fucking now
>>750244180>or you can play it like a girl, just a virtual dollhouse, constantly pausing to give long lists of commands to everyone and making sure everything works out exactly like you wanted.>>750244223>this is what i end up doing but can only juggle one sim at a timethis is why god is male. if god was female, there would be almost no free will.
>>750244180>or you can play it like a girl, just a virtual dollhouse, constantly pausing to give long lists of commands to everyone and making sure everything works out exactly like you wantedi feel personally attacked
>>750244632i need your mod list
What is the best game and why is it Sims 2?
>>750249105best is 3. that open world really changes the whole thing.
Someone removed the frickin’ toilet!
>>750249128Create a Style is also underrated as a tool, it being available for everything make customization nearly unlimited.
>>750224254all I ever wanted was a nice humble house like this irl.
>>750249514it can be yours for $300k in small town America
>>750248501kek. ever since i first played as a kid i would micromanage every social interaction so hard, constantly pausing and queueing
>Still no 'Sims but Anime' -game>Still no 'Sims but furry' -gameLiterally free money on the table. Are Sims game actually super complex under the hood or something?
>>750250485>Are sims game actually super complex under the hoodYes, sims games are literally lost technology, not even paralives nor inzoi can replicate the gamey yet intricate simulations of the older games, the formula was made when game development was still heralded by high IQ white men like Will Wright.
>>750250485>Are Sims game actually super complex under the hood or something?open one of the neighborhoods in simpe and see for yourself
>>750250485>>Still no 'Sims but furry' -gamethere is one that was either in development or a tech showcase, but not how you're thinking of. it was in the style of the handheld entries.
>>750250727yeah but now we are in the VIBECODE era, wont some chinese company just yoink that shit and republish it?
>>750250842https://litter.catbox.moe/6rdv8n3mizkoo8ud.webm
>>750250485>>Still no 'Sims but Anime' -gameInzoi.super Korean
>>750250865
>>750250848You'd still have to make it distinct somehow and that's the more difficult part.OpenTS3 and I think that Sims 2 open world "remaster" are open source so if anything these games will get much larger modding scenes.
>>750250891he said anime, not korean plastic realism slop
>>750250973You have AI.If you want some dumbfuck anime sims, then do it
>>750251014>You have AI.the more i learn about ai the more i dont care for it
>>750226924who lived there?
>>750250923it is unfortunate when classics get the furry treatment, like the trauma center indie game... but with animals.
>>750251065It's a tool like any other. Do what you want with it.
>>750251165i dont recall asking you to explain what it is
>>750251092Ozymandias
>>750251474based
>>750224108what an awful home
>>750238475Is she the biggest cumdump in the series? 3 included
>>750227686It's funny since if you were an unironic paypig willing to spend the upwards of 15 grand for all the expansions and store micro transactions you basically made it so your game was unplayable after 15 minutes due to the hardcore freezes and stuttering even on the best hardware today. The game isn't built properly to handle too much going on. It's kind of sad because it clears TS4 in just the idea of having an open go anywhere do anything map. If they just made TS4 the same concept it would majorly fix the appeal of the game even if there are still many issues with it.
>want to play sims>3 is archaic >4 is dumbed down>inzoi lacks content and also require the quad nuclear reactor setup i did in factorio to runAre there genuinely no alternativea for life sim shit? Rimworld kind has it but it looks like shit and I get bullied too hard by the game.
Last time I played a sims game was bustin out on the ps2. But how does 2 compare?
>>750251943you can see the soul being extracted
>>750227498I will never forget playing the first Sims game the summer before freshman year. 2am, home alone, and my Sin's phone rings. "The flashing light was just a test. You'll have plenty of warning next time." Then the transformer on the telephone pole outside blew and took the street lights with it. I fucking lost it, man.
>>750251973you mean simcity
>tfw only have 1 and 2>just want casual nudity mods but the games are so ancient i doubt any exist
>>750231961Arisu really like The Sims.
I loved playing Sims 2 as a kid.
>>750253459same, liked playing it as a childand now i like playing it as a manchild
>>750223308I was a super dumb kid and my go-to way to play Sims 2 was to create some ridiculous fat nigger with fat lips, who was dressed only in a wifebeater and shorts with hearts patterns on them. I'd torture him for days and make him live in a literal pigsty until I would feel bad for him and find that poor guy a wife and make him live a normal life in my liminal space-like building (because I wasn't able to make pretty houses).I'd give him a dumb name like Farty Poopoo too.I wonder if he my Sims all had crippling PTSD after living in their own filth for so long.
>>750253509It doesn't appeal to me anymore. But I play Sims 4 with wicked whims mod. That's next level.
>>750253810i guess i haven't become a soulless gooner yet
>>750253193Sims 3 has been cracked and without updates for years, the DLC and store content is hilariously easy to pirate too, just drag and drop, what's your excuse?
>>750253810>wicked whims>zero spontaneous sex because redditors have to pretend they're safe horny despite the sims 3 subreddit being nothing but women with noncon impregnation fetishes
I had The Sims 2 for PS2 and i never understood how to do stairs and roofs
>>750254050it didn't have stars and roofs
Let me guess. You need more?
>>750254246I wish they had brought back the Spartan Special bed in Sims 2 and beyond
>>750253868No VPN.
>>750254246>no antipet sign to stop random pets from entering the lot, pissing on the edge of it, and leaving
>>750254114Really? Only ps2 version or every version of Sims 2?
I'm the mastermind of a global criminal organization siphoning power away from governments into corporate proxy control. I can admit this freely because you'll never believe me, and the government can't do anything about it. To get here, I had to do many things. I even traveled to China to develop my own form of martial arts. Even wrote a few best selling books. To relax, I call over highschool girls or game. I cook my own food. I buy out entire towns and can probably buy your family. The worst part of it I have no idea what to with any of it. Troubling, when you can live forever like me. I suppose I'll always have highschool girls.What will you have?
>>750224840>>750229192>look around my room>bed faces door and the head is right next to a window>realize this right as my music player set to shuffle through everything it's detected picks some horror ambienceoh no
>>750228078DOCTOS
Is there an up to date guide that explains the current best ways to play Sims 1-2-3?
>>750224108>open door to bedroom>it knocks against the bed>cant even enter properly>wave to climb over bed to get to the other side of the room>same thing in the useless hallway
>>750224108>Bed so close to the door you can't open it all the way>Pointless empty hallway that leads nowhere>No windows in the bathroom or kitchen>Entrance leads right into living room>No toiletNever design again.
>>750224108Am I crazy or have we had this thread before? I feel like I have seen this exact image with the same replies all before.
>>750238567>single male adult sim with a little girl>no children's room, only one bed
>>750255797dead internet theory
If you buy this game legitimately with all of the possible DLC and expansions and furniture sets and whatever the fuck, it costs literally $1,500. How is this fucking possible?
>>750255797https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/672374039/
>>750255912walk the plank, ya land lubber
>>750255912I was gonna do it until EA was bought out by Saudis and Jared, now I'm able to save money and virtue signal at the same time.
https://youtu.be/Bs5QGN-zhwMhttps://youtu.be/Mke9z4qfTFUhttps://youtu.be/8gGHQicQUw4https://youtu.be/UbA58yOhPH4https://youtu.be/F2MFv2xe8yQhttps://youtu.be/YNizVO8WBYw
>>750250295it's 'cause sims don't live forever and a failed interaction is wasted time
what's your favorite thing to do in these games besides playing with porn mods and fucking every female in a neighborhood?
>Here I am>kaboom
>>750256987Just doing shit, I guess. Playing chess, maxxing out a skill, inventing a fucking time machine.
>>750228078AIEEE
>>750238567>The aspect of maintaining your sims in Sims 1 is so bad, the building alone is far more enjoyable and fulfilling. The gauges also drain incredibly fast, your sim will be in a constant cycle of job, eat, shit, sleep, eat, job, shit, sleep with no time for anything constructive or artisticthis reminds me of something
Looking forward to OpenTS3, the dogshit performance is really the only thing holding me back from playing Sims 3 again, and Sims 4 is shallow as fuck.
>>750224108>window behind bedthat can't be fengshui
>>750224108>when sims 1 came out, this is consider white trash poverty tier house>today its something people cant even afford
Why do swimming pools have no ladders here?
sometime I forget that sims isnt a porn game
>>750246208Sims 1 overworld map is the definition of sovl.
>>750255814kek, I saw it too. something about his head sticking out of the full body massager makes it worse.
>>750251798You can sort of play Project Zomboid like a Sims game, but only ever 1 character at a time unless you can figure out the NPC mods. There's also Kenshi. Sort of?
>>750258648Those are nothing like the sims, the only modern game I can think of thats vaguely feels similar is fucking rimworld
>>750259186Well Kenshi is somewhat like Rimworld in a few ways. They're both squad-based games. They both have skills you can raise, including non-combat skills and research skill. It might tickle the same areas in the brain The Sims does, maybe.
>>750238475I cuck Mortimer
>>750259453is he the most cucked character in the history of the sims?
>>750250891TranzoiThe usual suspects shit it up in record time.
>>750259706probably
>>750258215i want to die>>750258272hehehehe
>>750259275The characters in kenshi have no autonomy, thats the big thing
Sniffing Misty Waters' sweaty armpits and cumming instantly.
>>750259980True, but Rimworld's autonomy isn't even real, it's schedule-based. I suppose it does feel like the pawns are doing things autonomously, but they aren't, really. You can get this working in Kenshi, too, it just isn't as good, and it obviously only works on your own settlements. I'd say the worst thing about Kenshi's version of jobs system is the hauling task, since it's severely limited, but I made a mod to fix that by essentially removing it from the game; all hauling tasks are completed instantly in my game.
>>750260097They can do different things if not set to work, thru will randomly talk to each other and use objects, its very similar to the Sims besides combat being there
>>750228278tallbaby slim
>>750258648I think theres a few cultivation and farming game games that try to be sims-like. I wouldn't know for sure though.
test
>>7502246061 for the most soul2 for the best gameplay3 for the best simulation4 for uh, porn
>>7502607971 has the hard core game play, 2 is more about soul
>>750249128>get detective job for lockpicking>kleptomaniac traityep, it's gaming time
remember to hug your pets
>>750250485>Sims but Animelook up anime city on steam
>>750253402I remember the same situation happening with my niece. Walked in and saw her playing, focused a little and saw us being married with 5 children. Pretty weird stuff desu.
>>750224108Putting this specific house aside, about the hallway thing, I want just to say to anons, that those "interspaces" had a role in noise insulation. The modern house are shit about that because everyone fell for the open space meme. You gained more space but you lost a good nap and privacy.
>>750261486every kid does that if he has a very good relationship with his relativewhen i was i wee lad i wanted to marry my aunt
What we really need is open world TS4. Just TS4 with TS3 town instead of 5 plots per neighborhood.
>>750244461>descartes posting
For me, it's Angela.
Any good sex mods in 2026?
>>750261114sims 1 is technically harder but 2 has a lot more mechanics
>>750261835these look so bad
>>750244632
>>750261683I for one wish Inzoi wasn't this extremely sanitized piece of shit because it could've been much better with mods.
>>750261683It sucks that ea kept canceling the sims 5 and trying to make it an always online live service mobile game rather than just doing this.
>tfw have so many characters im having a strong urge to start killing them off
Toilet is clogged again.
>>750262470Anyone have that unlisted youtube video of the girl taking a very loud shit? I lost it.
OH MAN I REALLY LIKE RIDING THIS EXERCISE BIKEIM LITERALLY DYING, BUT I CANT STOP EXERCISING
>>750261530The secret is to not build your walls out of cardboard and paper mache. Then noise won't travel through them.
>tfw dad keeps barging into my room to read a newspaper
>>750223308*Dies of Cringe*
>>750254801a decent VPN is like $5 a month, man. you can't post on 4chan with it, but it's plenty to avoid getting angry letters from your internet company
>>750255912women. women will literally buy all that shit, but they'll wait for sales so it's only $1200 in the end, and think they got a good deal.
>>750262470the pic would be funnier if she was holding a rosary
>>750264462>you can't post on 4chanAny half decent VPN will have split tunnelling, which means you can just open up a custom shortcut (or a different browser if you want to be lazy) and reply to thread through that.
I tried playing with expansions and ended up with a cashless orphan.anyhow I'm not super sure if splurging on a washing machine was worth it cause now every time he changes his clothes they fall to the floor and it means less free time for a small boost to his mood of wearing fresh duds
>>750264870Not the big ones. 4chan specifically blocks all of their IPs and proxies. This whole website is a honeypot, they want to know who the weirdos are that post here.
>>750264974>4chan specifically blocks all of their IPs and proxiesYes, that's why you split tunnel so you don't have to turn it off every time you want to post>but then 4chan will sell your data/give you up to the FBIIt's cute that you think you're not already on some sort of watchlist
>>750228078didn't expect that
>>750265208>It's cute that you think you're not already on some sort of watchlistnah anon, I know for a fact I'm on at least 3 of the big ones. That split tunnel thing sounds handy though, thanks for the advice.
>>750244632I believe it.
>>750224108>bedroom and bathroom disconnected >that useless "hallway between the bedroom and living room that doesn't even have wallpaper >fridge next to doorway>hardwood floor for kitchen
how updated are the loli mods for Sims 4?last I checked it was 2+ expansion patches behind
>>750261276sounds good, will give it a try
>>750266594make sure to do your burgling at night, maybe get fit so you can beat people up and GTFO
>>750255814All of my Sims playthroughs are a single father larpevery single one
>>750267932single father or SINGLE father?
>>750267932yeah, but dont you think your daughter should have a room of her own or a separate bed at least?
>>750224108you know, I thought this was a horrible house design, but now that I think about it, japanese homes are exactly like this
>>750267932damn, imagine having that many girls and no sons. rough.
WHAT THR FUCK WAS I DONG WHY WAS I LEFT MY BABY IN THE POOL WHY IS EVERYTHING SMELL LIKE URINE GOD WHY IS THERE A DANCING GRIM REAPER ON THE BALCONY
>>750223786because women
>>750231072If you say so..
>>750251943>Sims 1 but 3D and bigger>Massive upgrade in scale and detail>Powerpoint presentation on zoning permits
>>750223786bois play Crusader kings for the family simulation and zomboid for the dollhouse
>>750267932Which one is the wife?
>>7502246062
a boat
>>750228078>gifnice try
>>750269807it's safe but at a cost
>>750228804>Sims 3 suffers from being limited to 32 bitWhat about on macOS? the platform Sims players, AKA women, actually use It got a 64-bit build back in 2020 because Apple killed 32-bit support.
>>750228078
are you discriminatory enough towards the Rimworld brainlets that design only 0 storey houses because having to spread their things across a basement and an upper floor is like solving a rubixcube to them.
>>750270802sadly the z-level mods for rimworld break shit and make the game run even slower than it already does
>>750228078dong ding
>>750270527>SpoilerIt's actually insane. Sims is the minecraft of women. Which also means women have actually learned about modding just for the sims.
>>750270527i think most sims players are on windows, i know sims 2 didn't get all its expansions released on mac
>>750270873no dawg I meant in the sims if you build a house with floors and not just one sprawling hamster cage.
my Sims-like will have Dwagons.
>>750273078>be sim>have normal house>new neighbor moves in on empty plot besides yours>builds this shit
>>750273078what happens in the lowest basement floor
>>750261114Sims 1 has the most Sovl.
>>750260175the only automatic things your kenshi guys will do is sit on chairs or get food
>>750273419I sit in my evil throne room surrounded by torches and bloodstone skulls trolling the internet with my laptop
>>750273443Sims 1 was supposed to be a real estate game, a minigame of SimCity, that's why there are those weird stats like space, luxury, etc.
>>750269258>>750268226I photoshopped every hag and boy out of the image
I created a house on the beach that was just a square of concrete wall with an elevator, down three stories underground was my giant grey dungeon lair, including the toilet down three further flights of stairs and sitting at the end of a long empty one square wide passage. The occupant was a perfectly nice fellow.
>>750274257>Wright's initial pitch was just the house building part>they asked what players do once the house is made and he was like "eh?", baffled by the notion they'd want to play dolls in the house too
>>750227686If you have all dlcs, it literally takes over 5 minutes to even load the damn game, every fucking time you have to load the world
>>750251712Sometimes being a pirate chad hurts you...
Claude, fix Sims 3.
>>750228564>no shower>no second cameraPoor build
>tfw AI will unfuck all of the 4 sims games, SC4 and possibly Spore as well.I am so glad to live to see it.
>>750275248>>750275365Did AI sloppers fixed Sims 3 yet? that's the only one I care about
>>750261583I saw a doujin just like that
>>750268159why?
>>750260097Kenshi is the ultimate "wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle" game.I still love it for what it is, but as soon as you realize that there isn't much to the actual game and you really have to exercise your imagination it loses a lot of it's appeal.Hopefully 2 will fix that if it ever comes out
I am surprised nobody has posted the atf sims 4 mods...
>>750275660The fact the game dies without them ever making it so that you can take over a city is insane.
>>750275668It really isn't that goodSims 4 porn is very overrated
Was there really no one who used claude magic to fix Sims 3 being a literal broken piece of shit that somehow works worse the newer and more modern your pc is?That was one of the only things I was hoping for.
>>750275365>sporeThinking of that very first footage with Will Wright showing it off, vs what we got.I think it was around then I finally stopped buying EA. IIRC it was EA meddling that made the guy quit working at EA.God I wish people would stop fucking supporting those parasites.
>>750275468they are working on it.TS2 open world is scheduled for christmas>>750275903I remember downloading this video on Dial-up back in the day and watching it at least a dozen of times.yeah these fuckers need to burn in hell, same shit happened to molyneux.
>>750269206And men play Rimworld to get both in one
>>750275745Sims 4 had the best pregnant cycle tho, it gave me a massive preggo fetish.
>>750223308It always sat wrong with me, that most long-sleeve shirts are tugged into pants in this game. That's some shortbus shit
>>750276130>>750275668As expected, only degenerates would care for Sims porn.
>>750224108That corridor betwen the bedroom and living room is an utter waste of space
>>750277351Is there a corridor you would consider not a waste of space?
>>750277367One leading to multiple rooms for multiple people to use separately.
>>750277367Yeah, in the office for example or an apartment building
>>750275864It might be a bad move because EA is clearly on a tight leash and remastering TS3 is an easy way to make a lot of money with very little effort
>>750277351not everything is about efficiency. Aesthetics matter.
>>750275864OpenTS3 is doing this, it's actually very far ahead.>>750277464EA doesn't want to remaster TS3 both because they lost the technology and because it would undermine TS4.
>>750250891>super KoreanThis is true. The game is completely soulless and dead inside
>>750277582But it doesn't look aesthetic at all. it doesn't even have any wallpaper
>>750258000WHY IS EVERYONE SO UP IN ARMS ABOUT THE WINDOW
>>750261297YJK
>>750278281Anyone could look in on you sleeping and you wouldn't be able to tell.
>>750254246
>>750278390>and you wouldn't be able to tell.Obviously, BECAUSE I'M SLEEPING
>>750237976I'd say the game gets easier the more sims you have since they all pool their money into the same utilities and become friends with housemates
>>750278735>can't feel when he's observed, even while sleepingYou wouldn't last long outside your safe bubble.
>>750278827If you can feel it then it doesn't matter where the window is
>>750277646>they lost the technologyThat's the first time I'm hearing this. QRD?I don't doubt it, but there's already a 64 bit port of the game for apple shit.>it would undermine TS4.TS4 undermines TS4. They said there's a lot of cost going into QA because of how dogshit duct-taped together that game is.It's why they're supposedly remaking it while also making it more open-world like 3. But that's still a year away.
they finally made it bros!
>>750279025Not if the bed is at the opposite end of the room. More time to react. There's also the noise and light coming in through the window to consider. >>750279169NTA but they lost the developers able to do it rather than the technology being lost.
>>750244397there's a decoration item that makes them fuck off
>>750279338>More time to reactDo you often have people invading you home through your bedroom window?
>>750276249who said anything about porn, faggot? I just like how the pregnant models are in 4.Actually the best models are in 4, hopefully AI sloppers can put them into 3 which had the most horrible looking sims.
>>750279607It has never happened. Never had a bedroom at the ground floor either.Are there any benefits to having the window behind the bed?
>>750229192>>head of the bed out the window>>feet of the bed towards the doorwait what's wrong with doing this
>>750279821>He thinks pornography means nudityRetarded degenerate. Kys.
>>750280029>hedonism is pornyou are the retarded mongoloid nigger here, go back to mumbai.
>>750279308>still in the same little house
>>750223786Most games that essentially represent their genre have plenty of competitors but obviously none of them catch on. I don't know, if you already like one franchise, why would you really bother with another one that's super similar
>>750280462I once spent like three hours building an actual maze on my ground floor with the rest of the house upstairs. I didn't really consider the fact that pathfinding makes this effectively worthless because they will never actually get lost.
>>750280334not anymore!
>>750281247Great, now Bob has to spend an hour walking to work
WOOHOO WITH THE GRIM REAPER
........
>>750281360>those needsHe has the essentials filled atleast
>>750279828It looks cool
Thinking about sticking my dick in a cow plant bros... those juicy plump lips are begging for it....
>>750281360Living the life
>>750281972don't the gnomes do something weird? its been a while since i've played it
Okay. Let's see how bad this is.
>>750280809Oh Anon, that's cute.
DXVK for Sims 3 on windows, yay o nay?
>>750281972lil bro isn't playing chess when he wakes up and hitting the gym
>>750275864women hate and fear AI
>>750283834Yeah sell that clown painting
>>750279976>>750279821IT'S a weak position.
>>750283834soul
>>750283834
>>750284591wash it then, retard
Worth the re-install
>>750273078the issue with stairs in sims is that sims take literally forever to walk up and down them and now half your day is gone because sims are fucking retards
>make an artist sim>Buy a small house and spent all of my money building a basement>Start an art club and invite the member to my house>We go to the basement and start painting>Lock all the doors so club members are trapped in the basement>Go back to upstairs and convert the first floor into small business>Place the paintings made by the club members on sale>Club members in the basement keep on painting, I keep on selling>They keep improving and paintings begin to sell for more and more >Use the money to replace the floor with class flooring>Now all the Sims buying paintings can look down and see the slave labour that produced the art they are buying >My sim may be a painter but this is his one true masterpiece
That's a matter of opinion.
>>750224070Only correct answer
I always wanted to make a whole town in TS2 or TS3 but holy fuck it's a lot of work and a lot of tools that do not work.
>>750223478I prefer Sims 3 Passion mod which is basically just playing animations during sex. I don't want to deal with extra mini game when I'm micromanaging 8 people in a household.
>>750227686IIRC there still is a memory leak issue that only using the fitgirl repack actually fixed since ea never gave a damn
>>750231003>>750232425t. didn't do the challenge of shitting in the neighbor's toilet
>>750223786It is strange. People will always give a million reasons why or they'll bring up incredibly weak competitors, but in reality there isn't a satisfying answer because it is weird. The whole idea is just a game where you make your own people, build a house for them, and then run their lives however you want. It's ridiculously simple and the Sims has already shown just how profitable it can be.
>>750288281I just want someone to make something that bridges TS2 and SC4 to make map editing easierI don't want to make a map in SC4 only to find I've fucked up the terrain elevation by a few degrees somewhere after I've shoved it into TS2, the constant back and forth to adjust beaches is a pain in the butt
>>750227217>>https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1131162350Holy shit this is long.>>750288492Yeah. Fitgirl's comes with some mods pre-installed.
>16 years ago
>>750224314Yeah its only good for mods and porn. It has the shittiest no challenge gameplay filled with spam windows and pop ups giving you all the money you want and you can easily just seduce the richiest famous star in the city the first day to get all the money and mansions you want. No actual point of playing the game other than building and designing your house and shit
>>750224606Sims 3 has the best improvement and gameplay and challenge and is actually fun to travel to egypt or France to dodungeon exploration
>>750226924Is it possible in real life?
>>750250485Bud..do you know what Animal Crossing is?
What do y'all think of Sims Medirval?
>>750289698Harvest moon but furry
>>750289813Disappointing, not enough freedom
>>750261835I love the low res house in the background for contrast kek
>>750269132Uggo
>>750250485This. It would have been easy money if someone made "Animal Crossing" combined with "The Sims" even if with only the mechanics from the first game. Just make it a challenge to get money and also give ability to breed with furry girls as a human
>>750269258all of them
>>750286397there are mods to slow time for basic tasks, and others specifically to change Sims taking 30 minutes to walk one flight of stairs
>>750251798Whats wrong with Sims3? Also Rimworld is a colony sim focused on survival rather than cozy life simulation. If you want more realistic life sim combined with survival then i reccomend Card Surival Tropical forest or Fantasy Forest which also adds NPCs and breeding but its still in early access. It plays like turn based Sims with one character played by the player
>>750228802Fucking kek.
>>750255912Imagine paying this much for the shittiers Sims 4. When i pirated it with all DLC i was so bored with gameplay i deleted it the next day
>>750263712>"its the only chair in the house, son"
>>750270527When mac dropped 32-bit support they did do a half assed mac only patch that removed the 4GB limit but broke tons of mechanics and made the game even more unstable
>>750224254>this was a dreadful entry-tier home in 2000
Okay. Finished setting up all the must have performance and stability stuff for The Sims 3.Recommend me some other mods that add functionality, make the game more fun, etc.Hell, feel free to recommend me sex mods too, why not.
Can't the TS3 engine be engodened with slop?
>>750227496>2 is too old to properly add anything or work around the engineI mean.. you *could* but it would take hours and hours of troubleshooting and you have to use absolute archaic tools like milkshape 3dI know this is a bad take, I sort of wish the sims would get the decompile treatment.. so we wouldn't have to rely on such ancient software that may or may not work
>>750224606Play 1 again
I appreciate the effort and autism of fixing Sims 3, but if I heard correctly the guy who does it said it would check for a legitimate copy of your game. I hope that's not the case, because I'm not buying every single dlc or giving EA money for not fixing their old games. I get that he's passionate about the game and all, but that take is just retarded and anti-piracy simping for a company that doesn't give a fuck is very gay.
>>750291462I'll have my slop zombies disassemble it
WickedWhims or Devious Desires?Passion or KinkyWorld?
>>750288404Kinky World is better
>>750291462>claude remove the checks
>>750290090KYS furfag
>>750291462how could they tell if it's legitimate?
>>750290914https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2742216726 this guide has a bunch of good QOL stuff
How come there isn't a single good rape mod for Sims 4? I tried Devious Desires but it's a broken piece of shit that never works and Whicked Whims doesn't have any non con mechanics, just some animation sets. I would have thought after all these years somebody would have made something.
>>750291276Probably not, the guy doing it is instead making his own engine to run Sims 3 a la OpenMW instead of trying to fix the spaghetti code and dependency hell that is the original engine e
>>750291462an OpenTS3 build will be repacked by fitgirl don't worryI mean that's just the minimum he should do to prevent the EA sultans sending death squads after him.
>>750291689Require a EA/Steam sign in and a check if you have the game in the library or something like that I would assume.
>>750291462Name implies its open source, someone is bound to make verification-less fork
>>750259453Bob Pancakes 2nd.
>>750291462>it would check for a legitimate copy of your game.
>>750291558Do THOSE mods even work with Devious Desires?
>>750292191No, they're strictly incompatible
>>750292336No tobacco and firearms with my rape then huh? Shame.
>>750291462The only one I own is the base game, and I got that for free, I pirated all the DLC, and it runs just fine for me without any effort, on Steam
>>750292482Is the pirated dlc steam only + creamapi only or does the pirated dlc work for the EA base game version as well?
>>750282140Damn he's still loading 3 hours on.
>>750293054Nah he died on the explosion.
>>750289268>try to find him on the sims exchange>can't find him
>>750292563It's Steam or Origin, if that's still around, whichever one they gave me SIms 3 base on, I just pirated everything else and installed it, and it works
>>750293164He had to erase his past for what he had done.
