What was their best game?
>>750228502Someone will say Jade Empire or some obscure shit like that within 10 posts.
>>750228502Neverwinter Nights 2 was their magnum opus. It feels like a long lost KotOR game when you play the Enhanced Edition with a controller.
>>750228502Kotor. I loved BG2, but kotor was better because jedi are better than wizards.
>>750228502NWN1 > KOTOR > NWN2
of the ones i've played, bg2
>>750228502i dont play western slop so I wouldn't know
>>750228502BG2 & NWNWhile NWN had a rather shitty OC, the modding and user created content potential was insane
>>750228614>Neverwinter Nights 2 was their magnum opus.i hear that MotB is really goodbut that was Obsidianand i hear the original campaign (much like in NWN1) is hard to get through>>750228821but enough about playing anime girl games
>>750228575I bought Jade Empire because IGN gave it their highest score of all time. I was so fucking mad when I played it.
>>750228614Absolute retard or bait
>>750228502Mass Effect 1It was only downhill from there
Hordes of the Underdark and it's not really even closeKotor is up there though if you're a starwars fag
>>750228502I just finished BG1 in total (including the expansion)Which game should I play next? (besides BG2 obviously)I was thinking about an NWN mod or DAO
>>750228502neverwinter nights
>>750228502NWN if you take into account community content but BG2 if you don't.
>>750228976>Hordes of the Underdarkisn't that the one in undermountain?i only played the first level of that and it seemed like quite a slogundertide at least had open environments (and I am a sucker for snow landscapes, so i guess i am biased)
>>750228890>i hear that MotB is really goodIt was just ok imo, much better than the base game but that's not a high bar
>>750229110yeahstarts off slow but comes together very well and imo ends up as the best campaign they've ever done
>>7502285029/10s BG2>KotOR>BG1>ME1>ME28/10s DA1>JE>NWN:HOTU>ME3>NWNyeah no, the base campaign is shit (read: mediocre)and user content doesn't count
>>750228976I can respect this choice, it was the best high level DnD campaign I have ever played but the game itself just isn't that good
>>750228502Interesting how nobody has mentioned Dragon Age: Origins yet. I was always under the impression people shat so hard on the sequels cause they took personal offense at BioWare destroying their favorite plaything.
>>750228502Kotor, hands down. A few of their games are masterpieces, but Kotor is in a league of its own.
>>750229420its a 3rd person bioware jank game that follows the same formula (catastrophe happens preceding a world ending event, even though you are a literal nobody i deputize you to go to 4 different places to collect 4 different allies) and the best part of the game happens in the prologue
>>750229110I really liked that level, a ton of secrets and traps and some really hard encounters if you go in blind, really good dungeon but I can see why someone wouldn't like it if you went in without any trap detection skills or at least some way to mitigate them like buffs that give you resistance to damage types and higher defense rolls
>>750228614>Neverwinter Nights 2 LMAO wtf is that
>>750228821lmao 95% of Dragon Quest clones and all gachashit are the epitome of slop but okay.t. east>west-fag
>>750228502I hate Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate 2, Neverwinter Nights, and Jade Empire. Don't care much for KOTOR but it was ok.Mass Effect 1 was great and Mass Effect 2 was a 10/10. Mass Effect was awful, and DA:O was also great, and DA2 was fine. DAI has moments but it was also like a 7.8/10.Everything else wasn't good.
Baldur's Gate 2 is the best one I've played. I never got around to trying the Mass Effect series or NWN2.>>750229420Dragon Age: Origins was received so well in part because it didn't really have any competition at the time it came out. I don't think it was ever really seen as the greatest RPG ever or anything revolutionary, just a nice return to form for the genre that was generic but very well-executed. It was also a good foundation to build from, and it was disappointing to see that potential squandered.
>>750228502NWN2, ME1 was good but after that the signs of decay were obvious, ME3 was their last decent game
>>750228502Neverwinter Nights is probably my favorite game of all time. Base game campaign is pretty bog standard and is mostly a tutorial/showcase for the Aurora engine but Shadows of Undrentide and Hordes of the Underdark are fantastic and there's a ton of other modules as well plus all the fan made ones and multiplayer Persistent Worlds. It's crazy that in the 24+ years since its release its STILL the best way to have modular online multiplayer TRRPG gameplay and roleplaying, it was unironically years ahead of its time.I also vividly remember my first playthrough of Dragon Age Origins and being so excited and optimistic for where RPGs would be like in the future, with your race and starting class having such an important impact on the game and how people reacted to you and shit like the programmable party member behaviors that were like ff12 gambits, and how hilariously depressing it is in hindsight that in the almost two decades since it feels like most mainstream RPGs have fucking regressed and are worse than Origins
>>750230509>>750230743>>750228614Ok seriously, Neverwinter Nights 2 was made by Obsidian, Bioware only assisted them a bit.
>>750230919It's bait anon, no one would call NWN2 their favorite game while not knowing who actually made it
>>750228502BG2.>good story with great antagonist>16 companions with quests, stories and multiple interactions between them>they can banter, steal (hamsters at least) or kill each other>fleshed out romances with actual choices and no "I agree", "I agree", "I did your quest". "I agree", "I love you too" shit>fucking stronghold for each class with unique quest chain>high level D&D gameplay with 9th level spells and awesome gear>UnderdarkIt was a true passion project and their obvious peak.
>>750228502NWN is their best game by far. It's the Morrowind of CRPG. In the sense that the base game is complete dogshit but it allowed people to use the toolset for the community to create good stuff.Then it's DAO.BG2 it's giga overrated. The game is only good in its chapter 2. Then, after that, it becomes railroaded trash and it feels really unfinished in the last chapter. Instad of trying to make BG1 but better they decided to suck the entire cozy adventure feeling out of the game and go for the urgency of "your friend has been kidnapped and in danger of being raped!" into "the world is hecking ending we need to save it!". I hate that fucking game and I hate it because I love BG1
>>750229291>the entire game was designed with the idea of allowing people create their own modules>COMMUNITY CONTENT DOESN'T HECKING COUNT!tard
>>750228502NWN. Can someone please PLEASE develop the next Aurora toolset? I don't care if it's 5e, 4e or 2e anymore. Just do it I can't keep playing nwn forever!
>>750228502For me it's playing nwn1 online.
>>750228575I've tried like three times to finish that game and always get bored midway through it.
>>750228502When I was younger I would've said Baldur's Gate 2 but over time I've come to appreciate Dragon Age Origins much more.
Every reply besides BG1 and BG2 is fake and gay
>>750231056I seriously thought it was Bioware, sue me.
BioWare's top 5:>Mass Effect 1>Dragon Age Origins>Neverwinter Nights>Baldur's Gate 2>Baldur's Gate 1
>>750228502Never got to play the original BGs, like most consolebabby 90's kids my entry was KotOR (well really Neverwinter, but only at my friend's who was a PC nerd). Rating it from there:KotOR > Dragon Age: Origins > Mass Effect > Mass Effect 2 > Jade Empire > Mass Effect 3 > Dragon Age: Inquisition > Star Wars: The Old Republic > Dragon Age II > Anthem > Mass Effect: Andromeda > Dragon Age: The VeilguardWithout a doubt KotOR is in my opinion their crowning achievement. The gameplay, the music, the graphics, the story, everything about it was really well done. I think all of their games up until Dragon Age 2 were stellar.
>>750228502BG2, Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age, and Mass Effect are all tied for first.
>>750229420By the time Dragon Age came out the Bioware formula had been cemented: The player is a solo that after a short prelude is elevated to a new and rare Spectre/Jedi/Grey Warden. He must now travel to multiple different planets/cities to get the maguffin, at which time he faces a revelation and has to face the big bad guy. It didn't help that multiple sections of the game were extremely tedious. The Fade and Deep Roads come to mind. It nevertheless had great worldbuilding, fun gameplay, and memorable music. So people liked it, but they just knew it could have been better.
>>750228502Imoen's Game
Controversial take but they were never "GOATed" with the exception of the first Dragon Age. Nwn2 and Kotor 2 were both better than originals and made by Obsidian. Obsidian in general was 10 times the dev studio BioWare was. BG1 is overrated as fuck. BG2 was very good. Jade empire was good but forgettable. Mass Effect is overrated as fuck.Everything else was various shades of mediocre or garbage
>>750234970>BG1 is overrated as fuckI feel that this is a new development. Previously everyone understood that BG2 was by far the better of the two. Now everyone is like>you gotta play BG1 first man>it's like the first part of the story!>it's open world
>>750230509What this anon said. DA:O came out during the PEAK of Devs and publishers trying to rope in normies and college kids. Fantasy shit was considered lame and gay, so AAA fantasy games basically didn't exist. Game of Thrones aired a couple years later, and fantasy started to become mainstream acceptable again.
>>750234970NWN2 plays like absolute fucking dogshit, what're you on about?
>>750228502Jade Empire
>>750228502kotor tie between 1 and 2
>>750235034bg1 is based trad kino sovl zoom zooms will never understandbg2 is reddit woke slop
>>750236824Bait but also true.
Really hard to say because for me it's a coinflip between Baldur's Gate and Mass Effect. They're just too damn different and good in their own way.When I was a kid BG 1 was amazing and BG 2 was an upgrade.Then again I want to say Mass Effect 1 for it's impact it made on me, but I have to admit it's showing it's age and Mass Effect 2 is far better gameplay wise, even if it's practically the filler game story wise.Mass Effect 3 ending still pisses me off and the game had a lot of issues, but man I still fucking love it.Baldur's Gate 2 probably takes the edge though. it's BG 1 but better and has more replayability value.>Baldur's Gate 2>Mass Effect 2>Baldur's Gate 1>Mass Effect 1>Mass Effect 3That's my top list from them.
>>750228502DAO
Jade Empire remains the only thing I ever played of them, mom had amazing taste for random purchases, this game was pretty cool, and I still quote lines from it. "I have to do paperwork by triple, all signed by the Overseer of Destruction herself!!!" and "Twenty Years, Li, layers upon layers, always the Glorious Strategist."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=816ciZ5krhc
>>750229420They shit on the sequels for being ''woke'' even though Bioware games always were
>>750228502Everytime a BioWare game had janky gameplay, it had great writing and was considered a masterpiece of the time.Everytime a BioWare tried to have more involved and immediate gameplay, the writing was ass and was considered a flop.Prove me wrong.
>You now are forced to confront the truth that Bioware games were always shitWell played OP
>>750231638This anon gets it.
>>750230502The only sane answer here. The rest are just 1upping nerds showing off their shitty Bioware autism. Its the beta male attempt to get attention.
It's up there between BG1&BG2 (not counting throne of bullshit) and the NWN1 Toolkit (OC campaigns are meh).KOTOR, Jade Empire and Mass Effect were okay.Anyway I think we can now say that now that they've sunk the ship it's proof conclusive (like any thinking man already knew) that the Ship of Theseus does not remain the same thing when you replace enough of it's part.
>>750230502>>750237240>"le nerds">beta male>defending dragon age 2
>>7502367732 was Obsidian.
>>750228502Baldurs gate 2, everything after is a downgrade.
>>7502294202 was ok for a game made in 14 months, inquisition had some high points. Both had better combat than 1.
>>750228502This board have enough AAA cucks? This'd be like saying Bullfrog is going out of business in 2026. They did nothing of note for the past 15 years.
>>750228502Baldur's Gate 2. Mostly because the best KOTOR was made by Obsidian. Had that not existed I'd say KOTOR.
>>750228976HotU is only good if you don't play a wizard or if you have enough self-discipline to not use the headband of intellect +6. The shapeshifting segments in Cania reset your extra spell slots every single time, and it quickly becomes intolerable.
>>750228502I'm sorry but any answer other than BG2 is insane. KotOR had charm and all, but it is a children's game. Most people here were children when they played it (as was I) so you may not have noticed, but it's a training-wheels, Fisher-Price, "Baby's First" RPG, comparable with Fable in that regard. Go back and play KotOR now, I guarantee *on the strength of the actual game*, rather than nostalgia and charm, you won't get any further than Dantooine before getting sick of this shit. Mass Effect was clearly built on the same ideas but had more fleshed out systems and dealt with much more adult themes. For me, listing only what I've played, it's Baldur's Gate 2 > Mass Effect > Baldur's Gate > KotOR > Dragon Age Origins > Mass Effect 2 > Neverwinter Nights base campaign > Dragon Age 2 > Throne of Bhaal > Dragon Age Inquisition.I didn't even play shit like Andromeda or Veilguard or Anthem, but I imagine they'd be at the bottom. Has there ever been a "beloved" developer with such a mediocre portfolio, by the way? Even BG2 leaves me a bit cold in certain ways, despite being probably their best work. Black Isle and then early Obsidian consistently made much more interesting games, and CDPR more or less immediately surpassed them in standards as well.>>750231664>BG2 it's giga overrated. The game is only good in its chapter 2. Then, after that, it becomes railroaded trash and it feels really unfinished in the last chapter. Instad of trying to make BG1 but better they decided to suck the entire cozy adventure feeling out of the game and go for the urgency of "your friend has been kidnapped and in danger of being raped!" into "the world is hecking ending we need to save it!". Weirdly, I actually agree with all this, except I happen to think that BG1 is even more flawed than BG2.
>>750238326>I'm sorry but any answer other than BG2 is insane.It's RTWP slop, horrible to play for anyone with discerning taste
>>750228502Mass Effect 2. People will act like ME1 was better "because it was more customizable". But in ME2 your weapon choice and the branching powers you selected mattered far more than the skill trees and weapon mods you chose from in ME1. Also, Renegade Shep in ME2 was one of the best interpretations of a Lawful Evil character I've ever seen. Obviously BG1 and BG2 were good, and most people will choose those. I enjoy goblins and bandits, and I think demons and aberrations are gay. So I preferred BG1 to BG2 (and similarly prefer Kingmaker to WotR - though they aren't Bioware games I think they warrant lumping in with the infinity engine stuff where questions of taste and recommendations are concerned). It is likely my preference for low-level campaigns that is preventing BG2 from being a contender here, given how lauded it is. KoToR sucked, I don't understand the praise it received. Every character was annoying, every combat encounter was boring. It may actually be the easiest crpg of all time, and with no character you desire to speak with to boot. I haven't played KoToR2. DA:O was fine, but it felt like it was trying to introduce isometric games to a new audience.
>>750228502probably nwn or kotorjade empire still holds a special place in my heart though
>>750228502DAO or Mass Effect. DAO was the culmination of 15 years of genre-defining CRPGs. When it released in 2009, it was the only RPG to have such massive production value. When I first played it on Xbox, the level of choice and reactivity felt unparalleled by any other game. I played KOTOR before that, but I never managed to truly get into it as I did with DAO. DAO had a more robust character creator, better characters, a better art style and aesthetics, even better romance and drama. And there are still so many routes and alternate choices in that game that I haven't seen today. Mass Effect (1) is undoubtedly impressive because it shows BioWare's versatility. They weren't just an RPG dev, they could hang with Epic Games and everyone else producing third-person shooters. It was a seminal game because like Deus Ex, it showed just how fluid the RPG genre really was, and like KOTOR1 or Morrowind, it showed that (W)RPGs could be immensely popular on consoles too. Historically, JRPGs were very popular on consoles, but WRPGs, being more analog to tabletop, was more of a genre for PCs. Mass Effect was one of the games which changed that. Everything else, as great as they might be, never reached the highs of these two games. Baldurs Gate 3 propelled Larian into stardom because it occupied a space BW hadn't occupied since 2009. If it wasn't for ME or DAO, BW's legacy would be more or less similar to pre-BG3 Larian, Obsidian, or even Black Isle/Troika. They wouldn't be the industry juggernaut everyone saw them as in the late 2000s and early 2010s.
>>750231664>"your friend has been kidnapped and in danger of being raped!" into "the world is hecking ending we need to save it!".I don't even remember what happened after you rescue ImoenSomething about elves and a lantern? Irenicus is trying to do something that I can't recallThe heart of the game is Saving Imoen and Your Soul so as soon as that's over I lose interest
>>750228890>i hear that MotB is really goodIt is.>>750228890>and i hear the original campaign (much like in NWN1) is hard to get throughIt has some really long boring stretches, but it's a much better single player RPG experience than the first game's OC.
>>750228890>i hear that MotB is really goodYes it's greatIt has a romanceable girl wizard of thay, and a cool spirit bear bro. He doesn't try to fuck you or your gf, he's not a Larian bear
>>750239334You sidequest in the Underdark for some reason and then go after Irenicus in some elf city because he stole your soul (all the Bhaal stuff is pointless until the expansion)
>>750231664>>750239334if it wasn't irenicus, it would've been the old men practicing horny mindbreak aphrodisiac spells on imoenshe, like all female practitioners of magic, was predestined to be broken and used by older male wizards
Which side to go in KOTOR, dark or light?
>>750239476Gods I miss Okku.I'm going to play this shit again. It's been years since my last replay.
>>750239545The under dark isn't on purpose, either you take a portal to follow Irenicus directly or your ship (when you try to chase him the old fashioned way) gets attacked & you end up there anyway. Railroady but in the classy way where the PCs never have any way of knowing that both choices lead to the same outcome, unlike the shitty Firkraag way where its obvious that you were on rails.
Most of their games are horrible to sit down and actually play, Bioware were never particularly good designers and were always pushing those horrible hybrid systems that nobody likes. One of the big lessons developers learned from the CRPG "renaissance" in the 2010s is that nobody actually likes real-time with pause. The most popular mods for shit like Dragon Age is to skip huge sections of the game because nobody actually likes playing the damn thing.So yeah Mass Effect wins because it has decent combat.
>>750239476okku :D
>>750238796I've been arguing with you turn-based-only fascists on the internet for 25 years. In that time, thanks in no small part to cr*t*cal r*le and other charlatans, your (wrong) views now have overwhelming support in the industry and among drooling consumers. When are you gonna let it go?>>750238842>People will act like ME1 was better "because it was more customizable"ME2 is a pure shooter, albeit one with consequential weapon choices. ME1 is an (admittedly very babyfied) RPG. Besides, the main reasons people favour Mass Effect 1 over 2 is because 2 took a great big dump over all the painstakingly established lore in order to go off on daddy issues quests and stroke the player's dick.
>>750239613Light because it has the more kino redemption for both Revan and Bastila
>I've been arguing with you turn-based-only fascists on the internet for 25 years.
>>750238796why do RtwP whiners have such a hard time understanding that you can just activate autopause after each round?>muh initiative orderwhatever
>>750239594Irenicus actually saved her from a worse fate by exploding these creeps
>>750228502Jade Empire was the last time they gave a fuck
>>750239920Turd-based maximalists are always zoomers who get nervous unless everything is locked down in a turn order
>>750239935silly anonhe was already raping her
>>750239920>why do RtwP whiners have such a hard time understanding that you can just activate autopause after each round?You could, but the encounter rate in those games isn't designed around it so I hope you enjoy the playthrough lasting 1000 hours
>>750239986She was used to him though, and didn't mind it as much when he did it
>>750228502My favorite was Dragon Age but the rot was starting to sink in back then. With the stupid fucking NPC who asked if I wanted to buy the DLC so I could go somewhere cool.
>>750239920Literally nobody enjoys RTwP. They just pretend to, same as how they pretend to like the taste of beer.
>>750240096she was close to being tamed but got too uppitysilly toy
>>750237019There's nothing wrong with DAO gameplay...
>>750240342sure, if you enjoy eating shit!
>>750240096why does no one talk about this
beta nerds only played bioware games for the dating sim aspect, nobody actually thought "oh yeah, I want something with good gameplay I'll fire up Dragon Age!" lmao
>>750240415You suffer through the shitty gameplay of Kotor just for the vibes
>>750240393It's mentioned occasionallyThe polite interpretation is that he mind-raped her rather that physically, because he no longer has the passion for physical rape
>>750228971they fact that they just scrapped the mako as the planet exploration/connective tissue for missions for the later games and now the connective tissue for missions is just a cutscene bringing you to some disconnected area totally killed my interest going forward.
>>750240570sarevok's dialogue implies otherwise if you used imoen's souland i meant actual people talking about it
>>750240342all i remember is mages were broken as fuck
>>750228502Mass Effect 1, simple as.
>>750228502BG2 then NWN1. After that it was just another console focused company.
>>750228502>What was their best game?My favorite games of theirs are BG2, NWN, Mass Effect and KOTOR.
We should have gotten Jade Empire 2 instead of the endless K-Mart D&D and Babylon 5 sequels
>>750229420DAO was alreayd a game cut into tiny pieces to sell as a dlc. Not to mention things like a forgettable "villain" or things like being a console game first and PC being the secondary platform.
Personally I liked dragon age origins the most. I still do a comfy replay every year or so
>>750240960>unironically a PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT character
>>750240960>>750241010I'm so glad losers like you will never get another Bioware title
>>750241092that's a bad thing how exactly?
>>750241092These people have single handedly bankrolling bioware. Veilguard had 0 coomer material and it unfortunately died because of it.
I don't understand the admiration people have for ME1. The worldbuilding and main quest beats were good, but the RPG mechanics and combat were weak and everything outside the main quest was barren. Big empty planets with copy pasted bases filled with copy pasted uninteresting enemies. Shit was Starfield before Starfield.ME2 was like the inverse of ME1, it had nothing but breadth; good side quests and weak main story. Kinda like BG2 to be honest.
>>750241174>>750241206Maybe you sit in your dark dingy basement masturbating to overrated bioware waifus before dying in excruciating pain from colon cancer at the age of 50 while the rest of us are having sex irl
>>750241327are you okay, anon?
>>750241218As you said, the setting is incredibly cool. Thanks to that you really wanted to explore the galaxy and read every little lore snippet. Starfield doesn't have that.
>>750228575I bought Jade Empite and got bored and dropped it halfway through.Seems I'm not the only one.
foreme it was origins
>>750233418>neverwinter nights nowhere on the listI can't blame you, it isn't exactly relevant these days, but I highly recommend it.
>>750242680>female city elf ending isn't just becoming the nobles sex slavepathetic
>>750228502BG2, and it's not really close.
>>750241218the combat is best when playing a biotic or engineer, the gunplay itself is ass but the magic stuff is pretty fun.
>>750243983I had so much fun playing a vanguard in 2, as jank as the charge could be at times.
>>750244069vanguard is alright in 2, I think it's much more fun in 3 thanks to being able to follow up a charge with novas. biotics in general feel bad in 2 because they're just totally shit, only do the ragdoll stuff when the defensive layers are gone, and any enemy with only a health bar left is one bullet away from death. turning engineer into space wizard with fireballs and icebolts was kind of uninspired but it's much better at being useful against enemies with some beef on em. also shockwave sucks ass lmao
>>750228575That's cause jade empire was fucking GOOD YOU MONG. IT HAD A FUN BLEND OF RPG MECHANICS AND ACTION LIGHT GAMEPLAY, AND THE STORY CHOICES MOSTLY FELT INFLUENTIAL. Anyway, my favorite was probably kotor 2, even though it beat my ass so hard on the original Xbox. The level of customization and the worlds to explore were so peak, if only it hadn't been rushed and hacksawed apart.
>>750228575I fucking hated Jade Empire. Not because of the game itself, but the bonus disc had some updates which auto-installed and semi-bricked my softmodded OG Xbox. Luckily I had backed up keys and could yank the HDD and rewrite it with some Linux tools
>>750244503kotor 2 isn't a bioware game
>>750228502>What was their best game?Mass Effect 1.
>>750228502BG2 and ME2.It is pretty much a tie.
>>750244503I tried it out for the first time recently and thought the action gameplay was janky as hell honestly. I made it to the big city zone before stopping
>>750234970if obsidian was so goated then what the fuck was that Avowed shit ? get rekt
>>750245557avowed was ok. the outer worlds is right there to shit on man why we going for their one halfway decent bethesda game clone
>>750234970Obsidian is such a bad studio they need to scrape the leftovers from their betters just to release a game and they ran out of devs to mooch from a long time ago, leading to being dissolved into a Bethesda support studio at this point.
>>750229420it's a streamlined console RPG for the mainstream audience
>>750228575Jade Empire was decent but not great. It was just an xbox flag ship game. Now OG mass effect, Dragon Age Origins, Neverwinter Nights 2, Baldurs Gate 2, KOTOR. They were only a good studio during boomer times and lost its magic.
>>750245803Excuse you, ow2 was fucking great. Midwoved fucking ruined their reputation and ow2 sales. Fuck, ow2 was the only western rpg in recent memory with normal looking females
for me it was BG1 and NWN.
>>750228502no more niggers 2>>750228575is jade empire good if i liked kotor 1 and mass effect 1-3never winter nights 2 was good but that was obsidiani miss non woke rpgs so much lol
bg2although i never played DA, ME etc because they looked kotor-like and kotor kinda sucked balls in my humble objectively correct opinion
>>750228502they literally killed all the good non japanese rpgscuz modern nerd culture got taken over by the cianow everything is esg wokeslop nonsense lolthe fuck do i play if i want more fallout new vegas skyrim kotor 1 neverwinter nights fable 1-3 etc
>>750247102One picture was all it took to doom outer worlds 2
>>750247326>How will this help us sell games?>Games?
>>750247326Obsidian can't write good companions to save themselves, I'll concede there
>>750228502Baldur's gate 1 or mass effect.Everything else was upper mid at best.
>>750247738No love for BG2? I liked it better than the first game.
>>750248076The current meta is to pretend to like BG1 more than BG2
>>750247102I genuinely have never heard or seen a single soul talk about Outer Worlds 2, please enlighten me anon
>>750228890NWN2 main campaign is something of a clichestorm. The original game was plagued by the same problems as Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: clearly rushed development and very buggy programming. Added to these problems is an engine with serious graphical issues and massive slowdown even on relatively modern computers. Later patches and expansion packs have removed many of the bugs and improved the engine, but it's still rather a hardware hog. However, the original campaign in NWN2 also has a surprising amount of tongue-in-cheek humor from most characters, resulting in a campaign with an unusual amount of deadpan humor from party members and NPCs alike, including poking fun at the game's own clichés and plot.
>>750247102>ow2 was fucking greatthe barbarians have breached the walls
>>750228614Daerred: Now, I know you didn't have any jobs for an adventurer last time in Neverwinter. But we searched the city for opportunities. After that we took to the road, and I found an old lady and rescued a cat. We each got an apple.Khelgar: Aye... well, I guess you have to start somewhere.Sand: I'm sure this old woman was as delighted by your actions as we are.Shandra: Well, if it had been the Captain doing it, the cat would be lost, the tree burned down, and the old lady would be traveling with us now.
>>750248268>poking fun at the game's own clichés and plot.Disgusting
>>750248295Qara was my favorite because she was always serious
DA:Olol
>>750228502In terms of pure vanilla, BG2 is their best. But Neverwinter Nights is a fucking miracle and I'm so glad they brought it into the world.
>>750228502You know it's kind crazy to me how it took less than two years from BG1 to make BG2 on top of releasing MDK2 and Tales of the Sword Coast. You don't see such turnout like this anymore.
>>750248767Apparently the crunch was insane, like sleeping at the office with pizza insane
>>750248201It really surprised me. Like everyone else Ive seen the frankly embarrassing promotional material. It got cracked soon after release so I figured what the hell. Will try it for a couple hours, have a couple keks and then into the trash it goes. Boy was I in for a great fucking time. Level design is incredible, almost nu-deus ex tier. Multiple routes to every objectives, skill checks, branching dialogue with peaceful resolutions to many if not all situations. The music. By god the music. One radio station for each faction with some incredible renditions of the classics. The lyrics are just poetry. I found the writing to be absolutely hilarious often. Not always Vegas or DAO level but it's not that far off. Does it have the dreaded woke - absolutely. It also has some of the most conventionally attractive female npcs I've seen in a western AAA. Seriously, I could not believe what I was seeing. Someone at the office convinced the higher ups to test the waters. It's a fucking travesty it undersold. Man.
>>750228502>What was their best game?Dragon Age: Origins.
>DA:O had status ailment spells that mattered and always worked on bosses without trivializing the encountersHas any other game managed to do this?
>>750238257I honestly didnt need the extra spell slots, my wizard was so powerful
>>750250170Hexes were broken as fuck
>>750250170>obliterate any mage boss with mana clashIt's one of the core reasons why Bioware never also patched the duplication/merchant bug. It's there if the player wants to do it or not.
>>750228502DA:O
>>750251294Addendum, since accidentaly deleted the explanation:BG lacks visuals and combat is equally bad as DA:OME1 was a set up for a trilogy which culminated in a traffic light ending, while DA:O is a self-contained storyKOTOR is a fanservice gameJade Empire is good, but not super memorableObsidian made a better NWN
>>750229420Origins came out when we were in an absolute drought for games like it. Bioware's heyday was not during such a drought.
>>750241327Is there something you want to tell us about your health?
>>750248295If I wasn't busy plapping by elf stalker gf's unshaved druid pussy I'd resent that remark
Overall BG2, I have high opinion on Kotor1 but DAO is probably better, i remember playing it right after BG3(dos3) and enjoyed DAO story, party banter, voice acting so much more than the shitty, gay Larian knock off
>>750234760Literally nothing wrong with the fade
>>750228502KotOR. But Jade Empire, the Mass Effect trilogy, and Dragon Age: Origins are on par with it. There will never be any games as good as these again. The companies out there trying to emulate Bioware in their heyday such as Larian and Owlcat are AWFUL and their games are trash.
>>750252782I'd say Larian's games are better to play but their stories and characters are way worse
>>750252687It's a tedious after the first time, where you literally feel trapped and every +attribute interactive items feel like boonsAfter you have completed it once it's just a checklist of if you missed this or that +something button or not
>>750228890Motb is clunky to the point of irritation and has terrible encounter design but let's you roll with 7 niggas and a dinosaur into epic levels. Anyway I vote hordes of the under dark.
>>750252890no, BG3 is comfortably a more interesting and reactive story than anything Bioware ever did
>>750253204No, Larian's obsession with accounting for every meaningless little thing that might have happened in Act 1 puts massive constraints on their games and comes at the expense of the main story, which always ends up feeling unfinished and poorly written. And their Tumblr writers couldn't write compelling companions or maintain a consistent tone throughout the story to save their lives.
>>750254321I prefer Larian's ambition over Bioware's mediocrity, and so does the market judging by what happened to both companies
>>750228502Jade Empire or Mass Effect. I want to like KotOR but KotOR 2 is superior in every single way.
>>750254321>a consistent toneThis is an abritrary thing. Like, I don't disagree with you that Larian's writing is worse than Bioware's was (I said this already) but the idea that a story should only have one tone throughout isn't a rule of good writing. I can't think of a single great work of literature that works this way.
>>750254401>I prefernobody asked about your shit taste fag
>>750254481>the idea that a story should only have one tone throughout isn't a rule of good writingare you retarded
>>750254512>>750254676You will never recover from BG3
>>750254757>Youbut i dont give a flying fuck about bg3
>>750254676No but seriously, look at any great work of literature. It will go through many different registers. Let go of your ego for a bit, don't view this as an attack on your person. Just think about what you're actually saying.
>>750254960I am going to be completely genuine right now.Do you even know what tone is?
>>750254972No anon. I'm completely atonal. You win. Goodbye.
>>750254972What's inconsistent about Baldur's Gate 3's tone, exactly?
>>750255034Gay Bear Sex is incredibly important to this death god backed alien invasion. You're right anon
>>750255087Bioware games also have gay sex in them, so why is it okay when they do it but "tonally inconsistent" when Larian does it?
I really cannot imagine shilling for Bioware for over a decade only for them to end up in the grave. Like just picture someone spending 10+ hours a day playing something like ME2 or Inquisition and defending every lame choice, ugly character and dwindling world and roleplaying. Then doing that for SWTOR or Christ forbid Veilguard. I dont even think honorable, ritual suicide can help make amends.
>>750228502BG2 obviously
Even ignoring the Larian staples I can't stand, like cringe Belgian humor and the silly voices of talking animals, didn't you feel like the writers were making fun of you when they revealed that the Dream Guardian was a catfish (squid) offering you sex? And what about their complete disregard for established characters and lore, like retconning Sarevok into a degenerate who fucks his own daughter and granddaughter, what they did to Viconia, and the complete butchering of Balduran's lore?
>>750255296>>750255034meant to quote you
>>750255296So you're saying BG3 is inconsistent with BG2?
>>750255296>Even ignoring the Larian staples I can't stand, like cringe Belgian humor and the silly voices of talking animalsBioware games are filled with silly humor and quips too, it's a (You) problem>didn't you feel like the writers were making fun of you when they revealed that the Dream Guardian was a catfish (squid) offering you sex?No, because it was obvious from the very beginning.... were actually retarded enough to fall for that bait?
>>750234970>Controversial take but they were never "GOATed" with the exception of the first Dragon Age.Ironic.
>>750255346I don't even consider BG3 a Baldur's Gate game. It's DOS3 set in modern Faerun. Still it soured me to see how aggressively they butchered returning characters and established lore for seemingly no reason, as if they were deliberately trying to spite fans of the old games.As for Larian's writing, yes, it's tonally inconsistent. Even when they try to write something serious, they keep throwing in stupid shit and cringe humor that makes you roll your eyes. It's hard to take an already weak main story seriously when the writers seem determined to undermine its tone at every opportunity.
>>750244069>I had so much fun playing a vanguard in 2How?
>>750255620>as if they were deliberately trying to spite fans of the old games.Good, go crawl under Bioware's tombstone and cry about your dead RTwP combat
>>750255508>i totally expected main story villain to be gay mindlayer Balduran and have steamy sex with it laterBioWare jokes are like Schwarzenegger one liners in 80's action movies, Larian jokes are cringe degenerate shit inserted everywhere in main story.
>>750247082NWN 2 is from Obsidian, just like KOTOR 2.
>>750228502the one with the least annoying fans, so ja->>750228575fucker
>>750229001Might wanna wait a bit for the origins recompile project to finish
>>750255885>BioWare jokes are like Schwarzenegger one liners in 80's action moviesso true!
>>750228502Jade Empire. It has great replayability due to the combat styles. You even get to bring a gun to a Kung Fu fight.I guess I should give it another playthrough, for old time's sake.
>>750228502Neverwinter Nights because of its modular nature it killed the appeal of D&D as a license which was necessary for the evolution of western RPGs
>>750228502unironicallyMass Effect: Universebut chuds aint ready for that coversation
>>750255885>he fell for the catfishyou HAVE to be indian, nobody else could be that fucking stupid
>>750228502For me, it's Baldur's Gate 2, but I played and loved almost everything they made before 2012. I never played tortanic, but I did sour on them after ME3.
what's the best NWN module? are there any party ones or are they all solo?
>>750228896I bought Jade Empire for $2 at a garage sale and went into it blind with no expectations, and loved it.
>>750255620>see how aggressively they butchered returning characters and established loreNot to mention the epilogues of BG2.
>>750256058Being a chi master in that game is so hard. I just want to throw magic all day but thr mana bar depletes so fast.
>>750256116>retarded main story and inserting lame Belgian degenerate humor is fine as long as you didnt fall for itLarian audience ladies and gentlemen.
>>750256302They also made her look gross in 3. I would have them not bring up the old characters if there was no respect to be had.
>>750228502DA origins, ME 1.
>>750256360>choose to have sex with a monster>complain that it happenedSouth Asian IQ, ladies and gentlemen
>>750255296>>750255508does anyone have that copypasta of the anon who didn't understand what the character creator was asking when it said "who do you dream of" and recreated a random dude he saw in an IRL dream for his dream lover
>>750256524>just because you dream of someone doesn't mean you want to fuck them
>>750255296>>750255885>>750256360
>>750256572it was more of a screenshot of the thread, not really a copypasta. i don't have it either way.
>>750256524>>750256572>>750256648
>>750228502The Mass Effect trilogy. It's the only games that I enjoyed at least.
>>750230813NWN has level up system and feel.No other game brings same joy on level up as NWN
>>750256436>Ignores every argument and keeps repeating a straw man he made up in his own schizo mind.Larian audience ladies and gentlemen
Neverwinter Nights 1 on Switch is still on discount. I have it on Steam, but I tend to travel a lot and I'm seriously thinking of buying NWN to have it on a handheld. Now I know this may sound autistic, but you can't upload custom portraits in this version and it's the biggest reason I'm still not convinced to get it. Should I though?
>>750256835anon you were filtered by the story when you admitted to falling for the squid, it was too clever for you. You failed the IQ test.
I still remember being a child playing NWN with my older brother on lan... now he's transgender
>>750256867>admitted to falling for the squidNo, I just said that, this plot was filled with lame, degenerate Belgian humor and felt like the writers were just shitposting, you dishonest, brain damaged faggot.
>>750228502KOTOR and DAO
>>750257027Try not thinking with your dick next time ranjeesh
>>750257159>ignores everything and doubles down to his schizo straw manI accept you concession Larian cuck
>>750228502For me it's probably DA:O with ME1 coming in second. DA:O despite it being quite buggy and unfinished is a great game, it should definitely have gotten a re-mastered version where they fixed the skills/spells that doesn't work like they should and the bugs.
>>750229110underdark also has snow landscapes, kind of
>>750257247>saaar why you let me have sex with squid!???
>>750255620BG1 and 2 are objectively horrible games by modern standards. They only seemed good at the time because Bioware's only other competition was Black Isle and their games also had terrible gameplay. They excelled at writing good stories though.
>>750257394Bioware stories are largely banal and juvenile, people only like them for the romances and the power fantasy
>>750257394My main issue with those games is how searching for traps work, I wish there was a mod that just made it so searching for traps ticked 10 times per second so you actually found traps before you walk into them.
>>750228502I don't know which one is the best, it's hard to decide honestly, but I'd put them into categories like this.>S TierStar Wars: Knights of the Old RepublicDragon Age: Origins>A TierStar Wars: The Old RepublicDragon Age 2>B TierMass EffectMass Effect 2>C TierMass Effect 3Mass Effect: Andromeda>D TierDragon Age: InquisitionJade Empire>F TierDragon Age: VeilguardAnthem
>>750228502Dragon Age: Origins. Aside from how good it is in general, I think it's also the perfectly streamlined RPG. The game is as simple as it should be, with enough mechanics that it doesn't feel shallow but also few enough mechanics that normgroids can enjoy it. I'm not saying a game shouldn't be more complex, or that even a Dragon Age game shouldn't be more complex, but DA:O had the maximum amount of streamlining that an RPG can get before it starts to become a problem.
>>750239476We had no idea how good we were having it back then.
>>750247231You should like JE alright, it's more action-leaning and RPG elements are mostly down to choices and how they affect the story
>>750239837I do agree that ME2 was a lore shitshow, and that ME1 established fantastic lore which went to waste. ME2 is, admittedly, also irrelevant to the overall story. I think one of the most braindead things vidya writers have ever done is the plot of Arrival being legitimate rather than the Reapers tricking Shep into blowing up a system and saying something like "You resisted your fate, but now you see we can force you to destroy yourselves".However, in ME1 your choices were only told they would matter without any immediate payoff aside from the Kaiden/Ashley decision. We were tricked into believing your choices would matter come ME3, and they didn't. It mimics a roleplaying game on the surface, but it really isn't one. In ME2 your actions do actually influence quests and characters. Hardened Garrus in ME2 is the only example I can think of in terms of ME1 roleplaying actually mattering outside of the Ashley/Kaiden shit. I guess that one roached Asari being alive counts for an extra sidequest.
