Is this where we're at?Praising slop like Dragon Age 2 now?
>>750236270People always used the time as a cope.
it wasn't great but I liked that the setting was mostly in the city
>>750236270>With that in mindNo. It either was or it wasn't. It gets no bonus points for being developed under constraints.
Metal Gear Rising had a dev time of about 9 months, if I recall correctly.
No it fucking wasn't and it's easily seen in the plot quality and the rehash of same environments.
Dragon age 2 was dogshit.I'm tired of revisionism everybody trashed it for a good reason. It completely wasted everything from DAO and so did every sequel after it.
>>750236270Knight Commander Meredith was the best part about DA2 and she was right about mages.
>>750236270>How long a game takes to develop determines whether it's good or not.To think I breathe the same air as these fuckin' morons.
>>750236270Only time I've play a mage in a game and had fun.One of the few times its been flashy and seemed like they could reasonably fight without needing to rely on being at least thirty feet back and throwing fireballs.In all other areas the game is fucking awful and the brightness of the red hurts my eyes.
only good da is the very first one
>>750236270Never heard a good argument for why DA2 is so bad. Whats the deal with that again?
>>750236270Like dark souls 2 it was hated for arbitrary reason and was only recognized after its time.
>>750236270Da2 was kino, just rushed.
>>750236918EA allegedly wanted a sequel out quick due to Origins success and DA 2 was made and released in around 14 - 16 months. Origins was developed in around 4 years or more.
>>750236918Imagine being a fan of Mega Man and being excited for Mega Man 6, 7, etc. When the newest one comes out, you find out that it actually has gameplay like Mario instead despite the name. That's DA2. DA:O was basically identical to Bioware'z earlier games, just with newer graphics, mechanics, and an original fantasy world. Then they made a sequel to a RtwP D&D-like game into a button mashing ARPG and removed a bunch of abilities/spells to "streamline" it. Nearly all the fans of Bioware's previous games hated it. It sold well enough that they kept doing it though, with each new game being derided more than the last.
>>750236270It's a fun game in spite of some major flaws.
>>750237007Yeah yeah i get the game isnt as good as 1 but how is it bad? I had a lot of fun playing it.
>Borderline masterpieceWW3 cant come soon enough
I really hate that nobody ever seems to know what a masterpiece actually is
>>750236270da 2 was better than Dai, never played veilguard. Da2 had cool psycho hawke, the only terrible thing is the reused assets, small scope and shit ending. Could have been great and was not as pozzed as inquisition.
you see anon the more time passes the more "I played it when I was 10" comes out
>>750237610like xenogears fans
>>750236270DA2 was actually a good game though. It just got hate cuz of recycled maps, which happened because the game was rushed in a 6-month development cycle. And personally I'd rather lazy faggot office workers shit out a good game in 6 months than spend 8 years and an $800mi budget making it woke.
>>750236538>Agree to wipe out the mages with her>She tries to kill you anyway>Agree to defend the mages from her>Arch mage still decides to sacrifice a bunch of students to become a flesh lump and attack YOU instead of actual enemies>When all of this is over, templar woman tries to kill you>templar dude beside her is SHOCKED at this, thinking they were "just going to arrest you">defends you from paladin womanI was a retarded teenager when I played DA2 and I still thought this was just far too retarded.I just wish at least one of these shitty fake RPGs that are ripping off the shitty fake RPG dragon age formula would take the ONE good thing from DA2 - the rivalry system. But no, everyone has to be stuck in the "Agree with me or I hate you" mines forever. Fuck this gay industry.
>>750236270>it's a piece of shit but they made it quickly compared to modern day overblown dev timesFuck off, it's still shit.
>>750236531DAO is heavily overrated, the plot is retarded and 1/3rd of the game is fucking furry shapeshifting jumping puzzles that people hate so much that they just mod it out of the game.
>>750237385>character building gutted>almost no environmental variety>voiced protag with one backstory>pseudo action combat that plays like a shitty MMO>ugly>Anders
>>750236270I liked it cause it let me fuck the brown whore
>>750236270By comparison to Veilgaurd it is
>>750236270fem hawk is hot
>>750236270KOTOR 2 was made in like 10 months and it's an unfinished piece of garbage and ten times the game Dragon Age 2 is
>>>/twatter/
>>750236270>>750236429that is bizarre what happened to this industry if they would nowadays want to do the same game as DA2 or MGR, with the same level of graphics, it would have taken 5 years and at least 200mln$
>>750237741>furry shapeshifting jumping puzzlesI found DAO to be boring, unbalanced and overrated, but I don't remember any of this shit. What the hell are you talking about?
>I totally had a blast playing the game back in the day my fellow goyimHave we reached the retroactive corporate astroturfing territory yet?
I remember the /v/ thread when the gameinformer screens of it first appeared showing Hawke fighting darkspawn in those sparse blighted backgrounds and people said it looked like a N64 game. Which was unfair but only a little. It was a really bad unveil for it. DA2 was ambitious by Bioware standards. People always said they followed "the formula". They tried to escape it with DA2, but failed.
>>750236270really good for a single playthrough but even by the end of that the constant reuse of the same zones and dungeons over and fucking over again started to wear thin, and by a second playthrough it was fucking unbearable, I hated that fucking cave so fucking much . And I still haven't forgiven that fat bitch Hamburger Helper for what she did to Anders
DA2 is not slop. Its a technical rushjob with amazing writing. They managed to make that game in 16 months while they were also working on DAO dlcs. Its a miracle of a game and it would have gotten a remake in a better timeline.
>>750236270I like this game. I spent 10 dollars on it years ago and I beat 3 times. It has some serious issues.. I guess. But, it is a good time if you are into dragon age
>>750239805yeah just a reminder Dragonage 2 originally WAS one of those DAO dlcs that EA forced Bioware to turn into a full game, that and the fact that it was rushed all to Hell is primarily why the game zones are so fucking limited and repetitive and also why the graphics were as barebones as they were
>>750236270It sucked just as hard as the first one. Terrible franchise from the get go and one of my biggest letdowns in gaming history. Dragon Age was the last game I ever preordered ever and was the moment I knew Bioware was dead.
>>750237345>RtwPRape the weak Point (for massive damage)?
>>750236270This game is what made me realize that video game reviewers were not to be trusted and full of shit as a teenager. I was playing it in disbelief that anyone who played and enjoyed DA:O would give this absolute turd 8s and 9s.
>>750236270The real meat is on reddit, as always.>And if I remember correctly, things went south for Dragon Age franchise AFTER its openly gay lead writer who was with Bioware since BG2 and who made a lot of fuss about proper representation of minorities left the company...There you go, Bioware was the best thing ever when minorities were working in the company. I guess veilguard was made by... non-minorities... chuds?
I've always been something of a DA2 apologist, but that said the game is HEAVILY flawed, even all the asset reuse notwithstanding, but it's honestly no surprise the later DA games bombed because they felt compelled to just rehash DAO since 2 kinda bombed.
>>750239286He's talking about The Fade. Basically half of DAO is "that part" (the colloquial term for a part of a video game that dissuades you from replaying it, since you seem a newfag). We all fondly recall DAO because the first parts were good, it was a resurgence of isometric crpgs, and Morrigan is our waifu. But The Fade and The Deep Roads basically made up half of the game, and no one wants to replay either part.
>>750236270DA2's writing was the predecessor of today's quirkchungus millennial horseshit. It also had those dogshit combat animations.Genuinely putrid game.
>>750240213Stop projecting, retard. The criticism was coming from me after playing that pile of shit.
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>>750239069Yeah, 4 years 3 months of meetings and emotional validation sessions for the parasites, then 9 months of work by the people with actual talent and competence once they are allowed to do their job.
>>750240213GOTY
BUTTONAWESOME
>>750240334Holy fuck that came rushing back into my brain. The fade sucks but I didn't mind so much of the deep roads in Orazmmar.
>>750240636blows my mind console players had to mash the attack button for basic attacks
>>750237775This but unironically. Also Varric and Merryl were pretty based. DAO was pretty good but all of the characters were annoying and unlikable, but they get a pass because of Morrigan sideboob.
>>750240334>Basically half of DAO is "that part"This. I love the game but half of it is "ugh fuck this section". Deep Roads sections were sick though.
>>750236270DA2 is one of the worst RPGs of all time but it's always had its share of cope defenders
>>750237741>DAO is heavily overratedyou're wrong faggot
Dragon Age 2 was the point where I became cynical
I remember seething when DA2 would make party AI revert to "move/follow" if they got too far apart and I was like god damn let me cheese these retarded fights. Like in DAI when I would creep to the furthest distance from the dragon where i could shoot a wizard staff and so cheese almost every dragon fight in the game.
Dragon Age 2 is bad, but I'd sooner replay that shit than play many of the AAA rubbish released today.But I always liked the rivalry/friendship system in it. It's far better than just +10 approval in most rpgs.
>>750236270If you didn't pour one out after EA kidnapped them I don't know what to tell you
>>750236270that is one huge fucking jaw lmao
>>750236270Go play Andromeda right now and tell me it's worse than Outer Worlds 2
>>750237693KCM was corrupted by the red sword and just broke down. I dont blame her. She tried to warn everyone about how evil mages are and noone would listen. If you had the option to kill/tranquill all the mages with her earlier then you wouldnt of had to fight.Thats the thing she did wrong, not kill the mages sooner, but shes a woman so it makes sense she'd be lenient and keep giving them chances. Very motherly and very based. Its a shame we had to kill her.
>dragon age 2 revisionist historywhat in the actual fuck timeline is this
>>750240560How did they manage to nail the qunari design in 2 and then immediately flush it down the toilet?
>>750236270Merill cuteIsabella hot slutThe qunari were cool af way better than in OriginsMale Hawke was a ChadFemale purple Hawke is a miracle of the universeAlso the game kept the dark tone of the first game wellYes it wasn't good especially compared to Origins but it had good things there's nothing wrong with saying it
Retards over here have been unironically praising it since release but it's exactly when BioWare died, they wanted the call of duty audience for this shit game
>>750236270Everyone considered it bad when it was released, but now put up against shit like Andromedia or Trannyguard Dragon Age 2 is a masterpiece.
>>750236270>an expansion pack turned into a full game is a borderline masterpiece I don't even hate DA2 but holy shit, that's some overhype
>>750240560>>750242661They looked pretty fucking bad in Cisquisition and this shit just continued the downward spiral.DA2 Qunari are the only positive in the whole game.
>>750237678That's the never played but big fan crowd
>>750236270It has a lot of problems like lazy waves of the same enemy, reusing the same 3 maps over and over and the shitty companions (compared to origins at least) ESPECIALLY THAT INSUFFERABLE FAGGOT ANDERSHowever, the combat was a massive improvement to the previous game, the story itself was really cool, going from being a nobody to slowly becoming the champion. DA2 also had the best qunari in all of dragon age And what might get me some hate: I really enjoyed the sarcastic female hawk
>>750243191>I really enjoyed the sarcastic female hawkShe's the best and the VA nails it
>>750236270It's just hard to believe that they fumbled Andromeda, majorly fumbled Anthem, worked on Veilguard for years and no one stepped in and said, hey, there's no world where this game is going to do well, just how much of an ego can you have to gamble with your studio and publisher's time and money like that, Forspoken was a big failure, Saints Row reboot was a big failure, how did they think it'd be any different for them? Give the customers what they actually want instead of gambling everyone's job.
>>750236270Isabel's chin in that second render always made me laugh, bitch looks like a spray tanned Jay Leno
>>750243345>Not femhawke x isabella
>recycled dungeons everywhere>masterpiece
For anons who haven't played DA2 on why it's shit and why some people might call it better in hindsight, it's all in comparison>Why it's shit>the mapsDA2 is smaller in scale than Origins, taking place in a single city and its surroundings instead of not-England. You'd think that means you'll have more unique maps because they have fewer to focus on but instead they reuse the exact five dungeons over and over. Go into a cave for a quest, finish it, go to the next and you'll notice it's the same cave with the same layout only with a different name and they blot out the map again to pretend it's not the same place. To make up for that enemies will spawn in waves to pad time.>the storyYou follow Hawke's rise to wealth and power, becoming Champion of the city. It's broken up into three acts and some of the plots are told pretty well. The problem is that there's no connecting thread. It's basically a slice of life where events happen to the main character without actually interacting with each other. For example, Hawke is meant to become more isolated as social tensions within the city build (I think. It might just be random melodrama). To show this his mother is targeted by a random serial killer in act 2 after he becomes wealthy. He's gained success but lost family, only the serial killer plot has nothing to do with Hawke's rise to power or anything else in the game, it's completely random. Aside from act 1 the whole game is a series of barely related episodes. The main plots of acts 1-3 are all building and executed independently from each other. It's a personal, character driven story where the main character doesn't develop, is completely passive and doesn't have a through line.>Why someone might call it better in hindsightIt's entirely the story beats. The individual parts are better than Veilguard, which as far as I can tell is made of poo.
>>750243191I remember wanting to fuck femHawke's brains out which is one of the very few things I think the game did right at least
I remember playing the first one on 360 in high school when a buddy brought it over. It was pretty good, I miss my friends from high school..
>>750236918shit graphicsreused graphicsreused dungeon layoutsless options to play/build a characterworse characters overall, seriously what the fuck where they thinking with the anders faggotry?worse story that felt unimportant compared to the last gamenothing about it was better than origins in any way, it was a downgrade on all ends
>>750236531Yeah, bring back sitting motionless while numbers pop up over your head until you or your opponent dies. That's real gaming!
>>7502362701.5 years is more than enough time to make a good game, DA2 will always be shitit is still better than most stuff that came after it though
>>750239069Back in the early '10s, dev teams were spread thin working on too many projects that never made it past pre-alpha, forcing them to rush whatever was left. Then DEI happened, which slowed development down even more. Dragon Age 2 was rushed due to poor management. Velinguard is just pure DEI incompetence.
>>750236538crazy how little rule 34 there is of her
>>750243191>and the shitty companions2 arguably had better companions than 1. Alistair, Redhead and Sideboob were all annoying. Chesthair, Pirate slut and Elf Autist were an infinitely better party.
>>750236270No fucking way
>>750236270Dragon Age 2 was where the decline began, it was all downhill from there
Where is the praise for The Dark Brotherhood?
not only did the game suck and paid reviews praised it, but it also was origin exclusive and pretty much started the PC storefront wars. it really was the precursor for all the abominable garbage the industry became over time.
>>750236270>we
>>750246582This anon deffo did not play DAO
>>750236270dragon age was never good
>>750237680It was poorly written and OBVIOUSLY rushed after the first act.The combat was hot dogshit and the magic system was lobotomised garbage compared to DAO. Almost every single companion was out of place by default and CLEARLY San Francisco stand ins.No one had ANY conviction, even the Templars got a cop out and went crazy due to 'corruption'. You had no choice to turn in the gay terrorist faggot and take the Templars' side and were ham fisted and forced into the end plot where everyone dies in the end rather than the player picking the 'wrong side'. We had Dev's stating this outright because they were upset how many people sided with the Templar's in DA:O. Also it was immediately obvious they wanted to move the entire plot away from the Grey Warden's and blights - you know, the actual hook that got people into the game anyway. No, instead we got a glimpse of the future modern audience writing and plot where the Dev's got to force you through their real world moralising, critiques and personal therapy sessionsComparehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8RBe5f3d3Yandhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlACgYHtWCIThey literally went from the tone of a doomed 'hero' where death was certain but you would still rage against the dying of the light to..."HERO, with the secret power he has to hold back only to unleash it in times of great need against his enemies and to save the world!" "He is super mysterious and cool and has sharp edgy armour and plays with blood. He is totally the leader of the resistance for the poor nigg...I mean oppressed mages!"DA:O has you being tricked into drinking blood in a ritual that has a very high chance of flat killing you. You get some power but mostly its a curse that is going to send you mad and kill you. There is no cure, just a small amount of what is left of your life to use this new power until it overwhelms you to maybe stop a world ending invasion of horrific monsters, if you choose toDA2 was the first sign of rot
>>750239805>with amazing writing
Everyone that played Origins thought it was dogshit as soon as they released the demo
