Tim Sweeney has hit back at Valve, stating that forced AI disclosure is harmful to the game development ecosystem and politically motivated, and that ideological radicalization within Valve will be the undoing of the company.
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>>750242309Fuck Timmy-boy. If Gabe said, "Hey, we will let Epic games be an exception to the label, but no one else," Timmy-boy would choke on Gabe's cock while saying thank you. He's a dishonest piece of shit, and the AI label is purely disclosure, and no one besides the "modern audience" who don't buy games gives a shit about AI coding assistance if the game functions.
The undoing of Valve will be people realizing they're known scammers who commit false advertising and fraud.Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
Is Tim going insane? Like his game jam plan is just begging for a parallel no-AI game jam to happen.
>>750242309This is old ne->10/23Jesus is he just bitching about this same shit every day?
>>750242489>If Gabe said, "Hey, we will let Epic games be an exception to the label, but no one else," Timmy-boy would choke on Gabe's cock while saying thank youUm, actually, Tim Sweeney has repeatedly and successfully taken real action for consumer and game dev rights. He successfully sued Apple for unlawfully stealing 50% or more of the profits from game developers on their monopolistic app store...
>>750242347The irony of using an ai slop image to say tagging ai slop is harmful is like pottery.
>>750242309>ideological radicalization within Valve will be the undoing of the company.this is true though. valve used to say that "anything legal is allowed on Steam" but nowadays if an adult character in a japanese game has a flat chest, the Campo Santo university feminists that Valve allowed into their company will ban the game from Steam permanently
He's right. Most people don't disclose AI when they do the most predatory bullshit, and the people ethical enough to mention the slightest amount of AI are punished for it. Despite this, there is no punishment, no cost, no loss or issue if you just choose to not publish an AI disclosure despite using it.Tim Sweeny actually said something right. He's not actually "correct" moreso that he just says the polar opposite of what Valve says at any given time, and Valve is fucked in the head on this one. Him being right is an accident.
>>750242309Epic is shit and actively are scammersValve on the other hand genuinely killed PC gaming and is solely responsible for the idea of 'rent only' games
>>750242574>Like his game jam plan is just begging for a parallel no-AI game jam to happen.We all know that isn't going to happen, for two reasons:1) because it would directly highlight the superiority of using AI, since the end results would be MUCH better2) because people in the "no-AI" game jam would stealthily try to use AI as well, and it's not possible to prove AI was used
>>750242626>He successfully sued Apple for unlawfully stealing 50% or more of the profits from Epic Games on their monopolistic app store...FTFY
>>750242707>Epic is shit and actively are scammersSteam steals 3x as much money from game developers compared to the Epic Games Store. Valve is the scammer.
I don't get where this recent wave of "Who cares if the consumer is uninformed, think of the producers!" like one of the tenants of a truly free market is when a customer is allowed to choose where to spend their own money for whatever reason they want.If a person doesn't want to spend money because of AI being part of the development, that is their choice to do so.
>>750242309What's this nigger's problem with fucking valve and their ai disclosure?Is it just a fucking revenue dispute because due to lower sales of his engine's slop he's earning less money or what?If he doesn't want fucking ai disclosures in his shop so be it, but stop with the damn daily seething sessions about what valve does or stops doing, for God's sake...Get a fucking grip for once, you read like a fucking lolcow with too much money and power.
>>750242816virtually every single game developed after 2024 uses AI, including valve's own games
>>750242732holy fuck what an embarrassing post
>>750242854proofs next thread?
>>750242854Sure, but if you are a bit more nuanced with AI assisted development vs full AI development, knowing how much of it was used is helpful to a consumer.
>>750242846>>750242875why do you include fuck every third word like you're 12yo?you are 12, like most anti-SI people, probably, i would guess?is it also a coping mechanism because leftoids can't say nigger, so they try to be "tough big boys" by spamming 'safe' curse words instead?
>>750242309God, this guy fucking sucks. Why are the most valuable companies in the world all being run by total fuckup dweebs now?
>>750242906>SINigger
>>750242906Please read the one of the posts again you niggerfaggot. Also tim need to be removed from social media ASAP.
>>750242732Anon, do you remember when tech bros tried to do an enhanced Olympics (basically an Olympics where the athletes could cheat with drugs and doping)? What happened was the best athletes around the world were signing up with the intention of beating the people that do drugs without doing drugs themselves. The issue with your perspective is that you believe an aibro has the same creative vision as an experienced videogame designer. >but my ideasExperience also leads to you having objectively better ideas.
>>750242309>Yeah dude why would you need a restaurant to identify if it used meat made in a lab vs real meat. Don't you realize the fake meat is cheaper! If the fake meat is identified nobody will buy it!Yeah I wonder why...this fuckhead can says he's pro developer all he wants but he's obviously anti-consumer. Being able to make an informed decision is the single most important factor for buying anything, and anyone trying to obfuscate that is a kike.The type of business that doesn't want the customer to clearly know what their buying is obviously ripping them off somehow.
>>750242939>God, this guy fucking sucks.whats next, are you gonna call him "shitty"?perhaps whip out a "Hey so, this is not ok"?
>>750242507somehow it always gets me
>>750242309>you might even learn where your money is going!Is there any doomsday scenario timmy suggests that isn't objectively good for the consumer?
>>750242906Are you retarded or what?You're literally linking a post where the literal third word is nigger and you've got such a brainrotted adhd brain you literally forgot the text you had read just a minute ago.
>>750242974It's a meaningless 'disclosure' because it is not enforced, isn't enforceable (you cannot prove AI usage, especially not legally) and has no bearing on the quality of a game.
>>750242974There is definitely a weird shift in recent years where people are caring more than the producers of goods and services rather the consumer's rights with regards to those goods and services. I am not saying this like I don't know the reason why, it is all intentional, but it is something that I am seeing even with normalfags.
>>750242769I... I don't think ypoui read my post
>>750243054>no bearing on the quality of a game.it certainly does, cause AI games have been fucking trash so far, so just label your trash games so I can avoid them easier
>>750242994Sweeney isn't going to fuck you.
>>750243157Every game made post-2024 is made with AI, including Valve's
>>750243054If it has no effect on the quality of a game, tell us what the best ai game is.
>>750243204>tell us what the best ai game is.Expedition 33 was GOTY and used AI, good place to start
>>750243194And how many of them are not trash? That's what the other anon is trying to tell your retarded faggot ass.
>B-B-BUT THE BIG BAD LUDDITES WILL HARASS THE POOR WHOLESOME INDIE DEVSIf AI truly is the future then this is a nothingburger that will phased out in a few years. Transparency to the customer trumps whatever pearl clutching cope Timmy wants to push.
>>750243054Then disclose it. AI is good, right? Why so terrified?
>AI assisted developmentUsually indicates that someone actually has the skills and automated some part they were already doing>AI developmentUsually indicates some dipshit who offloads his entire work to a machine and copes with the output.I want to know if a game I am buying is the former or the latter.
>>750243250>If AI truly is the future then this is a nothingburger that will phased out in a few years.It will be, but by that time, Valve will have lost a lot of market share to AI-friendly platforms.
>>750243282lmaohe actually believes this shit, goddamn you're retarded
>>750243282And then Tim woke up.
>>750242347Sorry pal, I ignore jeet comics by default
>>750243054If it meaningless then why is this cocksucker fuming about it everyday, clearly it is making an impact. In regards to quality, that is a completely irrelevant point. Doesn't matter if you food is delicious or not. I wanna know what the fuck is in it before I take a bite, and if you refuse to tell me I'm gonna assume it's some nasty shit probably cancerous if not outright poisonous.
>>750242626Timmy spent ten million dollars just on shills to slander Apple across the internet to try to turn public opinion for a court case that he got his asshole blown out in
Are leftoids going to do the same excuse as COVID lockdowns and BLM riots when AI inevitably transforms society and revolutionizes entertainment?>Yes, we made some mistakes trying to kill people who use AI, but don't we all? Let's just forget and let bygones be bygones
>>750242309If AI is so good then why are AI disclosures harmful?checkmate atheists
>>750243239Not an ai game try again
>>750243394when is that happening? how many years have we been going through this garbage so far and AI has made zero profit and zero impact on society besides making it worse
>>750243349>I wanna know what the fuck is in it before I take a biteCode, exactly the same kind that a compiler spits out. We need a compiler disclosure on Steam ASAP!! I only want home-made artisanal hand typed machine code
>>750242309>muh developersCustomers don't care Timmy
>>750243456retard
>>750242507Speaking of which someone should slop up an AI clone of artifact and put it up on steam to see what happens kek.
>>750243394I don't understand how this is a left vs right issue when someone like... I don't know... a hardcore monarchist would be against giving decisions to affect the nation to a unfeeling machine that has no connection to the homeland than a king given divine right.
>>750243282LMAO Yeah sure bro keep holding the bag for your nft crypto web 3.0 games too.
>>750243480you gotta understand, brain damaged individuals make everything a political issue these days cause it's the only way to get people on a side
>>750242309>use AI? Sure, but you gotta tell people so they can decide for themselves if they want your product>NO YOU'RE KILLING INDIE DEVSFFS Timmy, go to a doctor and get some meds to take.
>>750243396Ai is a fucking middleman that keeps your balls tight
>>750242697This. Either add some actual penalties (game delisted permanently if AI use is discovered but not disclosed, publisher blacklisted on second offense) or remove it entirely. But Gaben the spineless jew won't do that because that would mean alienating some actual big publishers who use AI but pretend they do not.
>>750243440>how many years have we been going through this garbage so farClaude Code has existed for about a year. AI has been "good" at coding for about 5-6 months>AI has made zero profit and zero impact on society besides making it worseClaude Code is used by essentially every software company on Earth to great effect. Anthropic made $16.8 billion in revenue in the first half of 2026, on $9bil compute costs (training + inference). It's unbelievably profitable and the profit is going geometric - just in Q3 they made *another* $16bil, a doubling of revenue rate in one quarter.Just let the father of 3D video games tell you about it.
>>750243394>Yes, we made some mistakes trying to kill people who use AIWhy are you trying to make leftists look good? They never did that, and I'd join them on the spot if they did.
>>750243578I just want you to know I am unironically submitting your post to the FBI tips line. Hope that transient moment of smug self-satisfaction was worth having your devices seized.
>>750242309People wanna filter the flood of putrid dogshit out of the store. I doubt many people would care about AI usage if 99.99% of the products using it weren't the ugliest low effort shit you've ever seen. Steam has had a quality control problem for ages but now people at least see a concrete line they could draw to filter out some of it.
>>750242347If whatever you made isn't worth you purring in the work to create it, why should I put in the effort to enjoy what you created?Accessibility to creation has never once resulted in the general level of quality in something, being raised.
>>750243609Knock yourself out, shitskin.
>>750243282Funny that all Valve has to do to be "AI unfriendly" is a simple disclosure.
>>750243556>AI has been "good" at coding for about 5-6 monthsAI fags have been saying that for like 3 years now.>bro it's JUST gotten good right now bro
>>750243639Making a game with AI requires massive amounts of work - it's a tool, like other tools. Do you refuse to buy games made with compilers, or digital image compositing software, or asset store models?
>>750242309it was funny at first but not I just can't wait until epic goes bankrupt
>>750243679>sonic scatfag shows up to put in his important anti-SI pro-trans opinionwhy are they like this? seriously 100% of anti-SI people are trans and mentally ill
>>750243679really makes no fucking sense, it's just a fucking label, people who don't care will still buy and play the damn things and people who do care, won't get it. They're basically saying you have to lie to people in order for them to buy AI shit>>750243737you lost if that's what you're falling back on
>>750243686chatgpt has existed for only 4 years and now you can create games fully with ai. Why are you that retarded? Wait 4 more years and we will have the matrix.
AI to me is like the Unity Asset Store: Good for people that know what they are doing but don't have resources for shit, but it just ends up being used to shart out crap after crap after crap like an Indian in the street.
>>750242347this implies people only make games for monetary reasons and not because they have something unique they want to be put into the world
>>750242309>30% mentionOkay, so Tim definitely has autism and is still mad at having to pay that fee many years ago, right?
>>750243686Well yes, that is the nature of a technology that is improving drastically every day. It's always getting better.The great thing about this is: AI will rapidly become 100% undeniable. Even today, leftoids with huge ideological pressure not to use AI are still forced to use it at work because you cannot compete otherwise.In 3-4 years this will come to consumption, too. You simply will not be able to avoid purchasing AI software. Every game on the market will be made *primarily* by AI, not just "humans using AI tools", and they will be the best games you have ever seen - unimaginably good. You will buy them. You'll hold protests if you aren't allowed to buy them. You'll sell your blood plasma to buy more of them.
>>750243394>when AI inevitably transforms society and revolutionizes entertainment?What do you mean 'when'? It already has transformed society and revolutionized entertainment - it made everything worse, and it actively made everyone who uses it demonstrably dumber and more mentally ill.
>>750243689I don't buy anything on Unreal Engine. Seems to be a popular stance going by the whole semitesphere side of the industry going under.
>>750242309>will be the undoing of the companyYeah I'm sure all the AI game devs will flock to Epic instead and no one will use Steam anymore
>>750243689>Cumpunter maek me gaem>Gib gurl animay stylings with humungous boobies and vagine based on art stylinga of porn artoat i liek>Now opotomize yur code so yu run beter>Also tell me why yuor gaem no dodent wurkWow, so difficult.
>>750243797If you're gonna have your ideal future in 4 years why are you crying over valve making people label their games as AI?
'Lil timmy tencent is seething because UE 6 is made to be AI slop only.
I might be retarded: Why would people pay for AI games instead of making their own?
>>750243812>this implies people only make games for monetary reasons and not because they have something unique they want to be put into the worldThat's correct. Hence why every indie game, before AI, is a hollow clone of some existing profitable trendy game.>Our game is an incredible new mish-mash of TRADING CARDS and ROGUELIKE MECHANICS!>Our game is an UNDERTALE-LIKE but with MINECRAFT inspiration!>Our game is a SPIRITUAL SUCCESSOR TO MEGAMAN but with FURRIES!
>>750243689>Making a game with AI requires massive amounts of worklmao you just press a button.
>>750243843It's well beyond mere autism at this point. The guy's got a genuine, severe mental illness.
>>750243689Yeah but you and I both no there isn't a single person on this earth that uses AI like that. They just tell it to make something and then post the raw output without thought, because they're jeets.
>>750243258If any developer genuinely believed their AI generated game is good, they wouldn't be afraid to disclose it. Wanting to not disclose the usage of AI means they know their game is slop like the rest of the AI generated slop but don't want people to know its slop before purchasing. They are terrified of having any descriptors that reveal their slop is slop. They rather have users be uninformed and ignorant before making a purchase.>If the game is good, why should anyone care if it was generated with AI?Name 3 AI generated games that are actually good.
>>750243898>>750243960You're extremely ignorant and have never made anything in your lives. Why are anti-SI retards always little kids who have not even lived in the real worlds, lol?
>>750242309Those devs could sell on EGS instead.
Tim might be the single worst CEO at social engineering. even Elon, pathetic as he is, somehow has a lot of sycophants. Tim clearly wants the same level of respect and gets jack shit despite having one of the most popular games on the planet
>>750242309I feel like I'm being torn into two by two retarded extremist sides.AI is a tool. It should be used to assist development of games.It should also be clearly labeled and tagged if so.As a byproduct of AI, I am excited to download and play recomps/decomps, rewrites etc, because I just see that as an extension of piracy which I think is based.
>>750243960Where are those "just press a button" AI games if they're so simple to make?AIsloppers always talk of ideas, but that's as far as it goes.
Everyone who tries to fight and stop AI will fall before it. Those who inhibit progress are destroyed by it.
>>750244016We can already see from the shit with steam that he's a neurotically jealous person.I have very little trouble believing that he's seen Randy Pitchford's exploits, and is genuinely upset that Randy's clumsy autism gets more respect than his does.
>>750242309So is AI not a big issue, or is a big issue? Didn't its defenders say that no one outside of a small percentage of people care? Why hide it if they are so proud of using it?
>>750244104It's much like the luddites. They failed too, after all. Embarrassingly so...
>>750242507I giggled.
>>750244104>goes bankrupt because it makes no money
>"Progress" and all we've had is negative progress since 2024 or so
>>750243953Because it is ideas guys syndrome on crack, these people think their ideas are so unique and special that everyone will flock to it, they just need someone else (in this case: AI) to make it.It's pathetic.
>>750242636The level of dependence AI addicts have on AI cannot be understated
>>750244016He knows that he fell ass-backwards into undeserved success, and everything he's done since Fortnite has just been desperate flailing attempts at proving it wasn't a fluke (which it was).
>>750243978>yoh and I both no>I both no>noLol. Lmao.>>750244009>anti-siNice hyphen use AI nigger. Too bad you couldn't even write your own fucking comment.>>750244104Cancer also progresses. Fortunately for you, were not allowed to inject you with poison to see if that kills you like Science nornally likes to do with tumors.
>>750242309Literally another shoah o algo.
>>750242309>>750242347You are not entitled to my fucking money. I am a customer want information to make my decision to buy things and if you need to hide shit then clearly something is wrong.
>AIjeets are a real thing and not just a /v/ shitpostkek
>>750242347the jew showed his true colors
>>750242309>>750243556They sound like the NFT retards from a few years ago. Not the ones who knew it was a scam but still wanted to profit, but the ones who truly believed, in the way a religious person believes in god.
>>750242906>anti-SI
dat mufuh AI usin all tha water n shit
>>750242347>I need a livelihoodOh yes, I'm sure when the number of games put in the market is multiplied by 10 that will be a great boon to devs livelihood.
>>750242309Does this faggot does anything besides seethe at Valve 24/7?
>>750244240If he hates his customers then he might be a real game dev then
>>750242309>>750242347>I will use Ai and brag about it but dont you EVER EVER EVER FORCE ME TO LABEL MY AI USAGE
>nooooo you can't require us not to lie to the customerslmao you'd have to be retarded to use epic at this point
>>750244312Anon give him some credit. He finds the time to seethe at Apple as well.
>>750244240He's dunking on BioWare, tho.
>>750244278It will be great for Dave Eric (26) who is building a breast physics porn game using AI, and quite disastrous for Lashonda L'Diatomaceous-Earth (45, they/them, disabled trans African) who is doing intersectional sensitivity consulting through Sweet Baby Inc for $400k/yr at Ubisoft, Valve and Bungie
>>750244323See, this is the part that I really don't get.It's no secret that Epic is using AI, so what difference does it make if it gets labeled as such, you are using it openly to begin with.
>>750244230Of course they were real. They LOVE AI because they can use it while being talentless hacks who for their entire lives have hated people with talent. 90% of the time they're gloating about how AI can do things in minutes compared to the people who "wasted their lives" learning a skill. They see it as a form of revenge.
>>750244392LOOOOL
>>750243556It really doesn't help John's case since he owns an AI company.
>>750242906Get a grip Timmy
>>750244464wow, you mean a genius technology savant who believe AI is the most important technology of our time has chosen to invest his time and effort into AI research? thats CRAZY! corruption detected methinks! zoinks shaggy!
>>750244360Bioware was shit yes, but the Saudi's no doubt want EA just for sports and maybe Battlefield. They want full control over the soccer games. They're keeping the Star Wars stuff around because I imagine it's actually better to just let the games finish and then close the studios rather than suddenly cancel a contract with Disney.
>>750244312He vibe codes Unreal to somehow become progressively worse with every single release and version update.>>750244421Courts have ruled AI derived media does not receive the same legal protections as bespoke media, both in terms of copyright and patent law.Its one giant legal gray area where stealing AI generated assets might very well be completely and totally legal. If that ends up being the case, and your investors find out if you're one of these big developers, that they basically don't own their product? Well...
>>750242309Timmy is retarded Steam is already raped with AI even if it had discoloure
So how many fucking years are we gonna have to hear from AIfaggot about their amazing fucking games that never actually materialize? You'd think there'd be at least ONE by now.
>>750243194The article you screenshotted says he used it as a search engine to find an article about an already existing form of matchmaking. It did not code a novel form of matchmaking. It would be a terrible thing to brag about if true because the matchmaking is the worst part of Deadlock. You couldn't tell the difference because you're an idiot.
>>750244360>guy is profoundly retarded>look but he said the sky is blue this one time!
>>750244590>but the Saudi's no doubt want EA just for sports and maybe BattlefieldOkay, and?
>>750244596>Courts have ruled AI derived media does not receive the same legal protections as bespoke mediaNothing like this happened btw, it's cargo cult fantasy by anti-SI transsexuals on par with "Didja see when barrack obama turned into a lizard? I seen it on facebook"
>>750244168Not having to spend money on humans means millions of dollars are saved.
>>750244312No. It's kinda nuts really.
>>750242309This is your typical /v/ level schizo, but it's actually a well known person having their tantrum out in the open instead of on an anonymous board.
>>750244670NTA. Mongoloid.
>>750244720self portrait, leftoid?
>>750242309more information is nothing but positiveif people really give a shit about AI usage, then full transparency should be availableand on the flip side, full transparency could expose that no one gives a shit about using AI in games, and that would simply put the debate to bedthere's no reason not to do it
>>750244648No you see anon every good game made past some arbitrary date is actually made mostly with AI and the devs just don't disclose it! Where are the games of the same caliber that do disclose it? Ugh don't think about that.
>>750244392if you had worked a day in your life at a corp you'd know middle management and 'consultants' are exactly the ones that boot up claude or copilot the moment they need to use their brain for more than two consecutive minutes
>>750244752You missed the point.
>>750242309The only thing Timmy Tencent has ever hit is his pillow while pretending it's his bullies.
>>750244752>talentless hack supports AImany such cases
>>750244758It's not 'transparency' because it's 100% elective and just rewards lying. There is no way to prove or disprove AI usage in a game, and virtually all games made today use AI in some capacity. You are rewarded for simply not disclosing AI usage.
Anyone else feel like AI is only good if you have a grasp on what you are doing and what you are offloading to it? I've been tard wrangling an agent for work for quite some time now and while it can automate certain aspects of my job (Quite well), more than once I've had to beat over its' head not to do xyz thing. This gets even worse when it comes to something "creative", it starts off well and is a good wall to bounce ideas off of, but then goes off script until you feed it so much information you might as well have written it yourself.
SAAR STOP HATE AI BENCHOD
>>750244670Supreme Court just upheld Thaler v. Vidal, just this year. Sorry. If there is no human authorship, you cannot copyright something.
>>750242347Why didn't Timmy hire a real artist to make that comic if he's so concerned with people's livelihoods?
>>750244752Imagine if AI existed in the 70s and he used it to make A New Hope. It would be exactly like those "Jurassic Park but ruined by AI" videos.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA4l2C2wZC8&list=PLFctWioOzDzw&index=6
>>750242309He's 100% correct
>>750244856Yeah kinda. Which is why it's worrying that you've got people coming up relying entirely on it without building up a foundation from their own work.
>>750242309bit of a fucking stretch innit
Tim Sweeney>White>Billionaire>Genius>Married to Sydney Sweeney>Will be rewarded even further via SI once it runs societyAnti-SI luddites>br*wn>poor>retarded>will die alone on HRT in a luddite prisonIt's really quite sad how badly he mogs them all...
>>750244940you're trying too hard.
>>750242309a lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of sheep
>>750243054There are AI tools specifically for identifying AI use, retard.
>>750242347We've reached a level of meta I can't even begin to understand.>>750242309What drug is he on?
>>750244940>Anti-SI luddites>SIAnd you failed.
>>750242347If your life depends on whether or not people buy your AI slop then maybe you should get a real job you absolute bum
>>750242507Keep going man... When Gayben goes on his 4th yacht he'll hear you
>>750244538Not mentioned: 92.28% of all people with negative views towards AI, according to this sourceless "Anti-AI survery", do not self identify as trans
>>750244998They do not work infallibly and are inadmissible in court. Pangram is ok for text but is defeated just by prompting the AI to write differently.
>>750245048>game \journalists\ being lying faggotsWhat's new?
>>750243686New models come out every 3 months that are leagues ahead of the previous ones. 3 years is a literal eternity in AI time.
Tiny Tim plants treesOzempic Gabe builds dumb boatsEveryone should instinctively know who's the better person here
>>750244940he won so hard
>>750245049>Its not X, its YWhew
>>750244670>Nothing like this happened btw,Read and weep you dumb pajeet fuck:https://copyright.gov/ai/Copyright-and-Artificial-Intelligence-Part-2-Copyrightability-Report.pdf
>>750244828then establish penalties in the event AI is discovered and wasn't disclosed
If AI is so great why doesn't Tim want it listed front and center?
>>750243812Ai; make me this guys super unique idea
>>750243239E33 had 1 (one) placeholder texture in an obscure location that accidentally shipped. It was replaced in the first patch. This is not the same as a game containing generated content. What you're doing isn't even motivated reasoning. You're just retarded.
>>750245095>2 more weeks!
I don't really care one way or another about AI I just think it's really funny that Tim is constantly getting into random fights with people on Twitter
Can anyone explain why all the paid shills are suddenly calling it "SI"? Why and when did they get marching orders for that? Did they realize that "AGI" or whatever the fuck wasn't going to stick so they're trying yet another rebrand?
>>750245095>Fingers still get fucked up in image generation if you don't use a reference picture or 3D model plugin workarounds.Sure just 2 more weeks and we finally get AGI.
>>750245216donald trump told them to
>>750245105It's the man who provides the better service. And that is not, and never will be Timmy.
>>750245216AI hallucination, and then self feeding
>>750244009>NOOO I'm useful I swear! Prompting is a real skill!lmao you're worthless middle-man.
>>750245216https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/09/inaugurating-the-era-of-super-intelligence/
>>750244752Lucas is old, I doubt he fully understands what AI is. Many of these people think it's a magic tool that will do/create anything you want. But it's just a program that has been trained on things that already exist. It is, at it's core, a chat bot programmed to be slightly agreeable. AI will never be able to create what George Lucas created in the 70's
i've noticed this weird thing where anti-AI people get fooled by AI very easily. like i saw this harry potter Malfoid fanfiction on twitter that was extremely visibly written by Claude, and it had like 40k likes and the guy was making $1k/mo on patreon from people signing up from this fanfiction.then i put it into pangram, which is an extremely accurate AI detector, and of course most of it was written by Claude. i tried to tell people this on the tweet and i got walls of people with "He/him - Stand against AI!" in their bio telling me it's not AI and it's disgraceful that i would insult human writing by saying it was written by claude. (which it was.)i suppose anti-AI people don't use AI, so they don't actually know what it looks like. it is really funny to go in the reviews of that fanfic and there's dozens of reviews saying "This fic is proof that human writing is far superior to AI..." when it's extremely obvious claudeslop to anyone who has used claude for 5mins
>>750244859>If I defend Timmy online, maybe he will fly me to America in a private jet and give me millions of dollars
>>750242347My mind literally blanks out like one second into an AI comic. Like a lefty meme. God Himself is telling me "nothing of value is here, ignore"
>>750245329>frogposter>is profoundly retardedbusiness as usual
>>750242347Thats ironic, given how Next Fest was notoriously shit this year because submitted indie games doubled in number and 99% were lazy AI slop, making the browsing of new games impossible. AI filters are inevitable in any big platform because they're already a thing in porn sites.
>>750245216They're shills, or trolls
>>750245153This refers to individual images and only those which were produced automatically. If using AI in your game made it uncopyrightable, we would all have copyright rights to every AAA game made in the past 3 yearsIt's also an unenforceable ruling because you cannot prove something was made with AI
>customers ask for something to deal with the flood of ai asset flips on steam>valve adds the absolute bare minimum>this sequence of events was enough to make tim seethe for months on twitter about evil valve oppressing ai users despite gabe both having donated to openai almost a decade ago and openly talking about how ai is useful for programmingTech billionaires are such gigantic fucking faggots. Bring the rockefellers back, I want the fucking monopoly man to replace these retards so we can have classy billionaire elites instead of autists who whine on twitter about stupid shit all day.
tim sweeny is like a creepy uncle
>>750245095Two more weeks and the new hotness AI game sweeps the app store ala flappy bird or temple run. Tomorrow maybe
>>750245216It's the official line of their party. An easy way to spot paid shills. Also they've redefined AGI a dozen times to the point people started mocking them for it despite the actual definition being clear cut. SI is more generic and does not have a concrete meaning and definition like AGI does, so "achieving" SI just means claiming you did.Similar to how you can easily spot chinese shills when they write CPC instead of CCP because that became the official term relatively recently.
>>750243556>Revenue vs. computeOkay now show us revenue minus the actual total costs. Anthropoc is losing $80B per year retard.
>>750245216trump came up with it and has been trying to push it
>>7502453291k a month is very impressive to the rice paddy you're from i know you will be #1 creator for your village if you combine enough Motorola gs together
>>750242309>yfw you wake up and you're not Tim Sweeney
>>750245368Funny thing is Timmy's own asset store has an AI filter which not even Steam has right now.
>>750245380>This refers to individual images and only those which were produced automatically.No it refers to all AI creations because the original ruling was made for music. All AI creations are public domain by default, unless you can prove there was significant human altering involved. Burden of proof is not with the accuser, but the accused in this case. If Tim Sweeney is proudly broadcasting his new Fortnite AI generated character, now every other company can freely use that character for free and it is Tim's task to prove that actually it wasn't AI at all and some guy made it.Thats why AI use is limited in creative fields, because you need to hire a real person to recreate the AI creation if you wish to keep the IP rights to yourself. Doing that defeats the whole point of using AI in the first place.
I hate AIslop as much as the next guy but "people" go fucking insane over this disclosure. The other day I went into the discussion page of the game Öoo, and a tranny was having a melty over the dev using AI translation for the Steam store page. Nothing in-game, just the fucking store page. In the end the dev bent the knee and said a localization firm was hired to retranslate the page (and people then complained that the new translation looked strange).
>>750243959And you think AI will make some sudden innovations that haven't been done yet?
>>750245506I think this guy is experiencing some sort of mental breakdown I'm not kidding
>>750245329>i suppose anti-AI people don't use AI, so they don't actually know what it looks like.AI varies by model and the models are improving too quickly for people to keep up. The frontier models made in the last few months can code better than a lot of software developers can and it does it fast at a fraction of the price. Anyone who works in software understands this. It is artists who still think the whole thing is a scam because image gen has taken a backseat for now possibly due to backlash, but I think it doesn't really have a utility like AI code does.
>>750245572We have a diagnosis for that. It's called "AI psychosis".
>>750245541>All AI creations are public domain by default, unless you can prove there was significant human altering involved. Burden of proof is not with the accuser, but the accused in this case.You're inventing fiction in your brain and becoming delusional about reality in a way that is bound to disappoint you. Again, if the law worked how you think it does, every AAA game from the past three years would be open domain.
>>750245216>>750245295I'm not sure what the point of this is, AI is a perfectly cromulent description of what it is: An artificial replica of "intelligence".
>>750245591>The frontier models made in the last few months can code better than a lot of software developers canVerbatim AI shilling that's been reposted hundreds of times.Still not true btw. Frontier models output shit that even the slop slurpers that play idle games on itch.io complain doesn't work right. It's as bad as pajeet code on average.
>>750245368Pretty much what happened to any image/wallpaper hosting site, if they aren't outright banned AIslop.
>>750245650The point is for Trump to flex power, as in "I must be very powerful to make people accept my orders."
>>750245681>Frontier models output shit that even the slop slurpers that play idle games on itch.io complain doesn't work right.if you're downloading random indian made games off itch.io they are not made with frontier models, they are made with free tiers of chinese models
>>750245572Let him cook
>>750245718There's nothing being downloaded and they're using claude and codex same as everyone else. You can easily tell by how they all resort to the same 2-3 variations on dogshit tailwind css.AI can't code for shit.
>>750242309>>750242347The implication here is that you wouldn't notice without the label. I want the label because I do notice it, constantly>so then why? because with a label, I can just filter it all out. Having to sift through or skip over something takes time, and with how many releases there are, that adds up to a big time and attention cost. >uh, so you're an anti-AI luddite tranny??!No, I think AI is great. It's objectively a force multiplier. The problem is that force doesn't equal quality, and too many people use it to pump garbage out in the shape of a game. The amount of time I'd save not having to sift through actual fucking AI garbage while trying to find a good game is worth the number that I'd lose, especially since the cream rising to the top means I'd find out about those games even if I've filtered them>but people make a ton of slop by human hands before then!!!Correct, and that's why I've always supported tags for Store-Bought Assets, Unity, Gamemaker: Studio, RPG Maker, and Unreal Engine. So all the slop on those engines can be filtered out as well>b-but you can't do thatShh, say anything more and legally I have to rape and gape you literally instead of just figuratively>but I--PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
>>750245681>Still not true btw. Frontier models output shit that even the slop slurpers that play idle games on itch.io complain doesn't work right.>It's as bad as pajeet code on average.AAA games studios are all using AI right now and you are delusional if you think otherwise. They don't create the entire game with AI but they all use it. They are mostly too afraid to mention it except for Timmy here who never ave a shit about backlash.
>>750242309Anyone against AI use in programming is a class A retard. It's been the industry standard for over a year at this point, there isn't a single software dev not using AI and you would look crazy if you said you weren't at least using it for bug checking
>>750245794>AAA games studios are all using AI right now and you are delusional if you think otherwiseNot him, but AAA games all use shitty jeet code, what's your point?Wait, did the shill wrangler that employed you lead you to believe that /v/ actually likes AAA games?
>>750244312>functional billionaire>too much of an autist to fuck slaves on a boat or eat orphans with the best of them>stays home and chews on Popeyes while getting into retard fights on the internet
>>750245786More importantly games full of AI slop are more likely to be indian developed if I can avoid AI slop I also increase my chances of never giving indians money.
>>750245794>AAA games studios are all using AI right nowGuess that explains why they're closing shop left and right.
>>750244940>>Married to Sydney SweeneyThis is true btw
>>750245868My biggest problem is what people use it for. Doing code reviews has been good now since I can semi-automate it, but fuck me when it flags up some bullshit, it is somehow pajeet tier but coming from a white guy.
>>750245636You are simply incorrect and don't understand what you're talking about.
>>750245794>>750245868lmao try actually using AI to write something complex and big and not a poc you're not expected to maintain. >uhm no one isn't using itlmao
>>750242309Tim Sweeney is a weeny
>>750246004Thanks for resigning from the argument sweetie. Please go try to make a Call of Duty game and when you get sued into bankruptcy just tell the judge it's open domain because they used AI. Let me know how it goes ok?
>>750243038Its probably an AI chat bot to be fair.
Fighting for customers to have less information about a game is not a good look timmy
>>750245868One thing is asking AI to make a function and then the programmer reviews it, another is to ask claude to make gta 6
One thing I am grateful for is that AI has reminded people that the internet is fake and gay.
>all AAA studios are using AIjeet codeGood, I want them to die and this will just make it faster
>>750246041>Call of Duty is a fully AI-created franchise and trademarkOh, you're just not very bright. I'm not going to argue with an idiot.By the way, I'm not resigning from anything. I'm just a passerby calling a stupid person stupid. The next time you try to act holier-than-thou, at least make sure that you've read the source material, sweetie.
>>750246070He has never given a single fuck about customers
>>750246070Anti AI luddites would have no issue with AI games if they werent told about AI being used in them. This is a case of consumers being wrong and so developers have to forcefeed them AI until they get over it.
>>750246185>You like this food that we told you was organic but then got angry when you found out it was made artificially with chemicals? Better force feed more of it.The customer is always right in matters of taste. Their money, their rules on how they want to spend it.
>>750246070Consumers only exist to prop up false economies at scale. They were never considered human in the first place.
>>750245874>Not him, but AAA games all use shitty jeet code, what's your point?That is my point retard. Most AAA games use unreal engine and contract to India, Russia, and other shitholes to get cheap labor. They don't need to do that for much longer as AI code has gotten good enough to replace them. The game /v/ gets excited for is that Stellar Blade sequel which is definitely using a ton of AI. >>750246021They need better tooling which is why Timmy is promoting it for unreal. You will have tools in unreal for your AI agents soon. Also big unmaintainable spaghetti code is the story of every game studio ever made. This is nothing new. No studio on earth cares about "clean code" or "good code" or whatever they want it faster and cheaper period.
>>750246185>NOBODY WOULD CARE ABOUT PAINTING YOUR WALLS WITH FECES IF I DIDN'T TELL YOU IT WAS FECESlol lmao
>>750246301>food analogyLuddites arent sending their best.
>>750246185AIfags should have no issue with AI disclosures if they are confident about what AI can produce. All that enthusiasm and pride from a few years back just disappeared for some reason.
>>750242309If Valve is doing such a stupid thing then why isn't he capitalizing on their mistake instead of crying about them online?
>>750246367he's mostly still sore about that vibe coded EGS update immediately getting shown up by a steam update that had been in beta for a week or two already
>>750242309This whole argument is retarded. As it stands now AI code good AI art bad. Everyone should (and is) using AI to code. That's a total non issue. AI art largely sucks still. Eventually AI art will be good and then there is no more need for any conversation. In the interim their should be an industry standard of a kickstarter 2.0 type project for indies. AI slop coded games with AI slop assets with a pledge by the dev to hire real artists to replace the slop assets if a sales goal is met. It even slots in well into the current demo into release indie model. AI slop asset demo that with enough backing produces human made assets for the official release.
>>750243091timmies bots(paid jeets) only respond to negative epic comments
but... wouldn't Valve doing a bad thing that is supposedly bad for their business be good for Sweeny and his store?
The only mention I see of frontier AI models like Opus 5.5 by actual skilled programmers is them poking fun at the absolute insane shit and I quote "it writes like it's there to ensure job security".Also they think Silicon Valley has gone completely unhinged with the whole "why even bother understanding the vibeslop code", like it's Claude getting fired and not their name on the commit. totally retarded.
>>750246443Tim is not smart.
>>750244148If a redditor tranny took a dump and it somehow gained sentience it would be more human than you
>>750242309>"if people know more about the product they're buying that's bad!"Sweeney is anti consumer.
Why not proudly advertize that you're using AI? It's the future after all.
>>750246329>feces on the wall>food analogy Jeets are sending their hungriest.
>>750246632Go outside get some air youve been here too long today
>>750242589He has nothing else going on.Fortnite is the only thing keeping Epic afloat, and it's gradually dying. Tim, due to being an incredibly narcissist, isn't capable of understanding that he's to blame, so he makes posts like that as a way of convincing himself that he's right, more than trying to convince anyone else.
>>750246571The unanswerable question
>>750246286>That is my point retardAh, I seeGPT post, calling it.
>>750242309I think Tim is legitimately experiencing a manic episode possibly fueled by copious amounts of cocaine use
>>750246571>>750246710really easy answer its because tranny orcs will send their discord groups to review bomb and hate even though the game is good. It is just not worth it
>>750246676it's part of why he's pushing AI for unreal engine so goddamned hard too, he's hoping to slip the surly bonds of fortnite and into a new type of live-service before it's too late
>>750246415SAAR PLEASE BE USING THE AI CODING SAARSI ONE SHOT VERY GOOD GAME AND YOU ARE BASTERD TO PUT TAG ON IT
>>750242347This is just an AI game dev version of the comic of that guy who worked hard on his OC pic then seethed at a better artist getting attention for fan art or whatever
HMMM should I dump my image slop in this thread while playing a game......OR I could keep watching pink owl while playing a game.Yeah see ya.
NOBODY FUCKING CARES TIMMY
>>750246769Then you send your AI review bots to bury them right who cares about anything right?
>>750245868ai code does not require disclosure on steam.
>>750242309No it's not, Timt. me
>>750246769Review bombing happens regardless if you piss of a schizo (Which you will do see: any thread on /v/ with a ritual poster).
>>750246769The average person doesn't subscribe to tranny melties. If the game is good, it will sell. If AI is the future then it will need exposure via good games. You cannot ignore this if you TRULY believe in AI.
>>750242309Lol little bitch be bitching every day. Who cares
>>750242507Artifact was a shit gameGood riddance>play tester
>>750246367He is, by making tweets like this. Or at least he's trying to. These tweets are basically advertising EGS as a platform to people using AI to make games. Obviously they're retarded ideas, both to think EGS can overtake Steam by appealing to AI gamedevs, and using twitter complaining as advertising. But it's what he's doing.
HEY TIM SWEENEY MOTHERFUCKERREAD THISi know you see thisEAT SHIT YOU BITCH ASS NIGGERNIGGERRRRRRRYOU HAVE THE JEWED SOUL OF A TRIPLE NIGGERMAKE A GOOD GAME COCKSUCKERSUCK MY FUCKING DICK YOU HOMOSEXUAL LALA PRANCING HOMO MAN
>>750246898>>750246903I don't think I've ever seen a game get undeservingly review bombed outside some reeeeal weeb tranny infighting bullshit. Absolute nothing concern
>>750245572Tim Sweet Metamphetameeney.
>>750246415AI art is only bad because the laziest parts of game development are having a massive winge
>>750242854Poke ze toad
>>750246952Flipped on the light for every bug in south asia to fly to. Prove me wrong Tim (you won't)
>>750246752there will always be an autistic tranny making an indie game without AI but nobody will give a shit. Nobody cares if a game has AI code in it because nobody will see the code anyway. If you played a game made in the last few years you likely have already. Most games have a bunch of shitty code in it AI or not.
>>750243054it's a tag that helps identify the game, just like single player, multi player, sexual content, nudity, survival
>>750246797I acquiesce that in an ideal world there would be a delineation between assisted coding and straight one shot garbage. But there would be no way to police that. Really though the results speak for themselves and the end product quality is all that matters.
>>750242309>If people know we've used AI, they'll know our game is slop and won't buy it! Please Gaben the only way we can peddle our garbage is if you let us actively lie to the customers!Lmao get fucked AIsloppers
>>750245741>>750247008So funny you guys said that. I think the guy is having a manic episode on stimulants I'm dead ass
>>750247041>Nobody cares if a game has AI code in it because nobody will see the code anyway. i'm gonna figure it out pretty fucking quick, anoni'm not gonna have to see the code to know it's garbage underneath the surface, anoni can tell when you've been vibe coding, anon. it permeates your work, stretching the premise as it is to call it "your" work when you didn't do it
>>750242507based
Tim need to go outside more often.
>>750247041>Nobody cares if a game has AI code in it because nobody will see the code anyway.The moment you struggle to fix bugs reveals it very fast.
>>750247009Nah, AI art has pretty obvious limitations right now. It same faces really badly. Play around with AI gen tools and you start to get frustrated with the limitations. It probably will get better in the future of course.
>the only way to get people to accept ai slop is to sell nothing but ai slop. valve is holding progress back by forcing ai slop to have an ai slop tag so games that aren't ai slop get an unfair advantage
>>750242309A truthful label only offends a dishonest merchant.Who wifes up the retired corner whore that presents as tradcath after finding out about her 5000 bodies?
>>750247329Valve doesn't even enforce it very hard is the funniest part.
>>750245184to play the doubles avocado, according to steam rules they WOULD have to label it as an AI game though, which is what that guys point it (i think)
>>750243689I use tools for piracy too, so it's all fair.I put in effort and used a tool to get the game.
>>750247136>>750247264I'm not talking about completely vibe coded games. Those are bad and will likely remain bad for a long time. I'm talking about big game studios using AI to write code that would typically be done by juniors and contractors. I can promise you many studios are doing this. It has infected the entire software industry PMs and other non technical people love it while developers are bitching about it to anyone who will listen. The job went from writing your code to tard wrangling claude. I'm not saying it is a good thing, or that AI writes good code it writes "good enough" code which is frankly industry standard. If you deny this is happening you just haven't been paying attention. Timmy is going to make unreal friendly for these workflows, unity already has. Get mad at me or anyone else saying this all you want it won't stop it from happening. I was in denial for a while too but that is what the software world is now.
>>750242309>harmful to the game development ecosystemGod forbid game developers be encouraged to actually know how to develop games>politically motivatedMaybe if you're fucking retarded.>>750244392>receive the most marginal criticism>start talking about porn, trannies, and AAA game devs (as if AAA devs aren't the ones using and needing AI the most)
SWEENIES MADDO NOT REDEEM!
>>750247506Sure thing, bro. If it's such a surefire thibg, then the disclosure is as pointless as whining about it.Slap on the AI tag, bitch.
sweeny won
>>750247685>Slap on the AI tag, bitch.ok anon I don't want to hear any crying when when stellar blade 2 comes out and people buy it anyway. nobody cares about using AI for decomps because it gave them something they wanted.
>>750242309>>750242347ai sloppers should be fucking GRATEFUL Valve even ALLOWS their garbage on the platform in the first placecomplaining that they need to label their trash when, in a just world, their shit wouldnt even be on the store to begin with, is bafflingthey should be praising and sucking Valve off every moment they can to show their appreciationi can't even say it's the least they can do, because the amount of effort they put into vibing our their diarrhea fart of a "game" was probably the least they ever did
Timmy is almost always bullshit, but (not for the reasons he ways) but this may be at least partially a >Stopped clock right twice a day situation, if he could keep his mouth shut about the fucking 30% totally normal industry standard cut isntead of continuing to lie as if Steam is somehow doing something evil; hell, compared to all the other platforms that have a similar cut Steam offers a fuckload more services, plus timmy is a slimy bastard pushing discounts if the game is built on his fucking engine. Give it the fuck up, people would rather pay more and get Steam vs the abortion that is Epic Store; they could have easily saved a fortune by just not offering a store at all and just focusing on their engines and software rather than platform bullshit. That said >Valve should not capitulate to whiny faggots demanding a AI disclosures There is zero justification for when these obnoxious luddites, culture warriors, and other wasted space just are pushing for it alone, and not the thousands of other tools or behaviors that make a game even more likely to be 'low quality". They aren't demanding that using any purchased or default engine assets or other content be it music or graphics,, the uses of UE / Unity / GameMaker, RPGMaker, RenPy or whatever other engines some people say are shitty, etc.. or a thousand other things get the big no-no label on it, just AI. No other tool used in game development has to be declared because a tool is a tool - it can be used skillfully or to make garbage. Users are rightfully annoyed with a lot of unoptimized Unreal Engine games using all the default shiny shit turned on, but that doesn't mean there cant' be someone who uses UE and properly develops, optimizes, and creates something good with it. Likewise, even a "cheap" engine like RPGMaker can create something of interest like Fear and Hunger. Anti-AI whiners need to just fuck off and judge the game by the outcome, not tattle on tools in advance
>>750247845And if nobody cares as you say, you have no reason to hesitate let alone cry like Sweeney is doing.
>>750242769You can not release on steam you jeet faggot.
If you're proud of the stuff your AI generated, just disclose it so people can see how great AI is and change their minds. Right?Why do you want to hide the truth if you've got nothing to be ashamed of?
>>750248007they will likely not bother tagging it at all despite it being very obvious that they use it and you or some other tard will call me a tranny or jeet for pointing it out in whatever future thread there is about it.
>>750242347Expecting to make $200,000 on your indie game is already like a dream scenario that no sane indie dev actually expects to happen. Trying to do that when LLMs allow an already saturated market to get supersaturated? Economic suicide. Indie devs start small and then reinvest if they want. There are very few outliers that escape this through sheer autism and/or appealing to autism. Usually both.Besides, any "indie" game with $200,000 invested into it has actual backing already. If you're fresh on the scene and invest pretty much anything besides your free time, you deserve to fail.
>>750248223That's a nice dream of what might be 10 years later. Until then, though, you'll have to disclose your the AI tramp stamp. Try not to let it get you down.
>>750242347It's hilarious that they couldn't even make their own fucking text.>I need a livelihood, not a target on my back.Is clear AI phrasing.
>>750242309more like Tim Weenie, because he's a huge fucking bitch that can't stop seething about Valve every 2 seconds.
Didn't Valve admit that they vibecoded Deadlock?I see no disclosure on their own Steam page.
>>750242309God, this guy behaves like a fucking bpd woman. One day he's acting like he doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks and says he vibe shat out a game store and the next day he's crying that he's not allowed to hide his shameful behaviour. I'm so sick of these ridiculous nerds running shit I rely on. I can't wait for the day that AI dillutes the value of pseudo intellectual wankers and removes this class of autistic, insecure man child from positions of power
>>750248503no, it was one dev talking about a matchmaking algorithm
>>750248642Because he gets all these orders from tencent, he's a puppet but he doesn't know how to be calm and collected like a real ceo.
>>750248642Seriously what is his problem here? If AI is mainstream and not shameful then just use the tag. Why are you trying to swindle people?
>>750245885uhm.... based???
>>750242309Tim seethes so much over valve it really makes you wonder if it's personal.
>>750248736>calm and collected like a real ceo.Tim Sweeney is an egghead. He's still personally writing codes for UE to this day.
>>750248878But Timmy said no one is writing any lines of code now, it's all AI.
>check artificial inteligence tag on steam>like 15 fucking copies of the library clean up game>the most lazy looking incremental/idle games possible>porn/VNs that literally all look the exact sameAI sloppers should be fucking thankful that steam even allows your shit in the first place. AI is doing cool stuff with VR mods, decomps, browser games, and whatnot but the delusional, pajeet tier gloating just makes people hate your shit especially since there hasnt been a single (1) game to come out that has any merit.
>>750248736This is absolutely coming from sweeney, his behaviour is exactly what I would expect of a terrified, autistic nerd. He doesn't want to be left behind, he doesn't want to lose his status, he prides himself on being the most rational man in the room, his ego is tied into being the man who is willing to say and do the unpopular thing. Yet he's also a little bitch who believes in nothing, has no conviction besides earning money and is bothered by not being appreciated as an anti hero.The age of this kind of seprg leader is coming to an end, ironically because of their hollow morality and the tech they are all pushing out of pure fear.
>>750242309I am so tired of seeing this bitch whine and I went from but caring about his dogshit store to actually being against it only because of seeing his stupid face and his daily bitch ass crying.
>>750242489But that's not what Gabe is doing. You invented a fake scenario to somehow blame Tim for being correct. Gabe is being the piece of shit in this instance. The real life non hypothetical situation actually happening.
>>750242309Post the jerusalemwere one
I would weigh anything tim says more favorably if literally every single thing he does didnt hurt the industry in some way or the other.
>>750246769You're retarded. Trannies tried to review bomb Hogwarts Legacy because Rowling is anti-trans, even to the point of bullying left-wing youtubers/streamers out of covering the game, and it still sold insane copies. They fully supported Veilguard, a sequel to Bioware's best-selling game ever, and it flopped so hard the whole studio got shut down. These people have no power. The truth is that no AI game up to this point has been good. People associate AI with low-effort, uncreative garbage, and there has yet to be an example that disproves this assumption.
>>750248856On some level, it is. Half-Life shit all over Unreal, and when Epic was loudly abandoning PC as a platform, Valve created the vidya version of iTunes, cementing their status as a permanent money printer. The first one stung a little, but they just leaned into the unga bunga normalfag market and left well enough alone. The second, however, seems to have broken something in the man. Not only was he wrong, but he was wrong in a way that allowed a rival company to propel itself in the stratosphere with exactly zero competition. He's eternally booty bothered that a bunch of fart-huffing Microsoft geeks had the nerve to strike oil in what he thought was a desert.
>>750248287"Artists" always feel entitled to be able to live their dream life, especially the bad ones
>>750242347If every Joe Schmoe can put out a slop game using AI why the fuck would you think you can churn it out as a livelihood?
>>750249167Steam was a streaming pile of shit at the time until Valve switched over to CEF from Internet Explorer.Hindsight is 20/20. Even I would think Steam was a total lost cause.
>>750242309Just give me the fucking labels. Force granular disclosure. >did you use AI coding?I dont care as long as it works, nobody besides coders and trannies cares>did you use AI art, music or writing?Get that visionless, lazy dogshit out of my face. If you want to make money off idiots then fuck off to Facebook and twitter where rage bait will earn you rupees. There is no solution here besides allowing adults to decide for themselves what they do and do not value
>>750249002All these tech ceo guys want to be seen as visionaries and imagine themselves up on stage like Steve Jobs presenting the iphone. But they're not visionaries, they're out of touch autists who have no idea what the average person wants or needs.Rolling out frontier LLMs to civilians as a consumer product was a massive mistake, the majority of people who use it are massive faggots and have irreparably tainted the perception of it.That has nothing to do with Sweeney but he should be smart enough to read the rood and try keep the discussion around it being a professional tool to create high quality games instead of retweeting shit like >>750242347
>>750243480Indians that Timmy hired trying to appeal to chuds I guess.
>>>/twatter/
>>750245216They failed to achieve AGI and realized they never would so they started calling it SI instead.Yes, anytime they use Superintelligence it's an admission of capitulation of the promises they made their investors.
Tim is the true hero of gamers. He's the kind uncle, the admirable big brother.
>>750242309I wonder if he thinks GMO food or non-GMO food should be labeled
>>750248642>One day he's acting like he doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks and says he vibe shat out a game store and the next day he's crying that he's not allowed to hide his shameful behaviourThe actual story behind it reads like a sitcom comedy skit>We vibecoded a storefront that loads faster than Steam!>vibecoded ie it's barely functional >but it's still faster, right?>nope!>Valve released a Steam update a few hours prior that improved the steam client speed>so Steam is still faster than vibecoded egs>but wait! there's more!>epicshills go into damage control once this comes out>"This is competition guys! Epic is forcing Steam to improve!">Nope, not only did this update release first it was also in public beta for weeks prior>in fact, all the improvements listed in the public beta are exactly what the vibecoded EGS is supposed to be better at than Steam>Tim read the beta notes and vibecoded a storefront to upstage steam, only to fail anyway because the beta went live before his store did>now he's a laughingstock and all he has to show for it is a barely functional vibecoded garbage for a storefront>And a bizarre admisison that programming is too difficult for them
>>750249002>>750249291>All these tech ceo guys want to be seen as visionaries and imagine themselves up on stage like Steve Jobs presenting the iphoneExactly. There's a reason Elon Musk paid for cameos in the Iron Man movies. It wasn't just marketing, he wants to be seen as Tony Stark, and all of these autistic Sillicon Valley types want the same. It's why Huang wears those stupid leather jackets, it's why Zuckerberg does Joe Rogan, it's why David Ellison cast himself in a Skydance movie with James Franco. They're all deeply insecure men who desperately want to be remembered as brilliant inventors.
>>750245184This is the issue isn't it? You can't prove a negative. Steam is just incentivizing people to juice and lie because Gaben is a fucking retard priming people to cheat and then claim they didn't. This is the biggest own goal Gaben has ever done and the reason Tim keeps pressing it is because it's such an enormous fuck up that it's obviously a wide open attack vector.
>>750245153Holy fucking illiteracy. That says that AI cannot submit copyrights automatically, not that AI-produced items are not copyrightable. What a dumb fucking cunt, oh my fucking god how do you even access browsers? I blame smart phones for your people being here. You are the target market for the button that says>click here to summarize this document with AIwhich is a really fucking funny loop.
>>750249368>They failed to achieve AGI and realized they never would so they started calling it SI instead.They started calling it SI because Jeffrey Epstein's best friend asked them to, and they've realized that if you play along with Jeffrey Epstein's best friend's weird delusions of grandeur he'll let you do whatever you want without regulation. It's the same reason Nvidia made donations to the Epstein Memorial Ballroom, and why AMD made donations to Republican Super PACs in this election cycle.
why is it harmful to disclose AI usage? Because people dont like it? seems like as consumers its a good idea then.
>>750249373>PC gaming is dead>NFTs are the future
>>750242769Game developers have no rights.
>>750249553It trains costumers' pattern recognition ability which is racist.
Tim is my father figure. I grew up learning how to type, talk, walk, run, shoot, dance, build, jump, parachuting, gliding, spend money, and loot from him and his game.
>>750249291It's pretty obvious none of them have the vision to be a leader because they all act like hysterical lemmings following musk, who is himself a midwit retard. The idol now is a scam artist, anti charismatic bullshit merchant who would make Peter molyneux blush, atleast the Steve jobs idol era was based on a man with vision, making real products. now it's all circus shows and social media bullshitting for retarded investors.
>>750243480It's an attempt by tech billionaires to try to mobilize support for AI by framing it as a political issue. It's very funny that>1. It hasn't worked >2. There *is* a divide on AI, but it's not political, it's entirely generational. Boomers on the left and right love AI, but virtually everyone under 40 on the left and right hate it.
>>750249664>costumers'WHY IS THIS A COMMON TYPO/ESL MISTAKE?!
>>750249682>because they all act like hysterical lemmings following musk, who is himself a midwit retardBrooooo but he made the car flip it spun in the air bro it was just like my marvel movies
>>750249698It is a left and right issue. Even your bad faith framing of it shows you're both anti ai and left wing. The Gen z/millennials that are against it are the same pozzed left wing political cohort that get the same reddit/Democrat list of things to hate.
>>750249682it basically comes down to rich people requiring a bubble to function and the information age is increasingly not allowing for even neurotic, badly socialized uber-rich to get away with being egotists and retards
>>750249809>oh yeah well it's a political thing because (DIRECTION BRAIN)jumping fucking jesus, anonenough of the tom & jerry left vs. right shit, we're talking about AI here
>>750249809
People want to know if their games are human made quality and not just shit out by a computer
>>750249882Only leftists hate AIChad ayran based af redhoods love it
AI hate is a very vocal minority, they're as common as vegans.
>>750249919Computer was made by human
>>750242309I really wish tim sweeney would fuck off and die already.
>>750249698David sacks is the government AI guy, I saw him trying to twist this as a partisan issue from the start, this tactic comes from the top and is completely overt>>750249809No it's not, it's a high vs low iq issue. Smarter people feel most threatened and their reaction to it is largely negative with the odd mind broken nerd who is now acting out of pure fomo. The rest of the AI boosters are third world retards. Conservatives have more innate reasons to hate the tech than liberals
>>750249919shouldn't that be obvious though?you think ai stuff is all slop, right?
>>750249809>It is a left and right issue.No, it really isn't. I know a lot of liberal/left boomers/gen xers, they love AI. My dad is a hardcore Democrat who fucking loves touching up old family photos of dead relatives by feeding it into AI. Meanwhile my groyper little brother just entered college and he wants all these AI ceos to be guillotined.
>>750249961Then disclosing is not an issue.After all no one selling meat gets uppity about labels showing they're using meat.Unlike say vegans crying they're not allowed to call it a hamburger when it's made of tofu.
>>750242309Just learn to draw, faggot.
>>750249996ok
>>750249716its proper english, but nobody actually writes like that
>>750242347I refuse to believe there are actual real breathing humans that with absolute sincerity could hold and form these thoughts.
>>750242309kek
>>750242309It seems to me that our little Timmy is more obsessed about steam than about improving his own shit platform. In the 80s he would've stalked Gaben and steal his pantsu.
>"AI can only make slop!">"I NEED labels to know if something is made by an AI"???is AI stuff indistinguishable from human stuff or not?this is like the more general contradiction of AI being both super incompetent, but also it's taking our jobs right the fuck now, omg scary, regulate it!!!
Everyone who is anti-AI should have to post their country because undoubtedly a lot of the seething is from people who see foreign countries creating yet another world-changing technology while their own leaders do nothing.
>>750249996>After all no one selling meat gets uppity about labels showing they're using meat.Tbf, they do get uppity when you try to film their slaughterhouses and have tried to pass legislation blocking people from doing it
>I must be allowed to lie to the customers, your customers!lmao no you get to market it honestly as pajeetslop
Interesting AI is a bigger priority to people than child and slave labor.
>>750244797why are you 14 and pretending to know anything about SWE companies? in reality every single coder on earth uses AI now
>>750249809>W-well, the left hates AI! You're right wing, right?! Then you should love AIGod I love it when shills lose arguments so hard they have to pivot to politics to push their shit
>>750250083Just put the label. Why are you so scared? Wear the badge with pride.
>>750242347if AI is so good for games, why does an AI label hurt them?... unless the point of AI made games is to scam consumers ...
>>750249961trueand they'll shut up for good after the US midterms, and if not, then after the 2028 election.
>>750249809>conservatives love complete social and cultural overhaul, they are all about progress and hate looking back like stinky luddites>conservatives>to conserveIt's in the name you fucking moron
>>750244003im american and I would eat this
>>750250083>is AI stuff indistinguishable from human stuff or not?According to AIshills, no. Which is why it's odd they dont want a label crediting AI with their masterful creations.
>>750250107Not sure where you live, but in my country (the USA) most people are opposed to AI data center construction. We've actually had multiple state governments pass temporary restrictions on data construction on both sides of the aisle. I assume it's different in whatever 3rd world shithole you're from.
>>750250120Slaves built the pyramids it's still made by humans
>>750250140>>750250146>>750250182You guys are Indian astroturfers paid by China to shill this anti-AI stuff. Yes, Indian, yes that is laced with irony. Saar.
>>750250215AI was made by humans
>people acting like it's totally reasonable to demand companies disclose the software they use so they can be punished
>>750250198All of the people in the US against datacenters are actual knuckle dragging troglodytes. I don't understand how they can be so proudly uninformed.
>>750242507Keep fighting the good fight my man
>>750250215>Slaves built the pyramidsNo, they didn't. The pyramids were built by paid workers, led by skilled artisans directing the process. We actually havesome records of the process, it's really fascinating. For example there's an Ancient Egyptian tablet recording a worker as being absent because he "drank too much beer", which is probably the first recorded incident in history of a guy calling out because he had a hangover.
>>750250083I dont want to look at it you retard. I'm not annoyed that I can't tell this Pakistani ad for a new matrix film is fake, I'm annoyed I have to scroll past it. It's all spam and we need a filter for it.
>>750250259That being said, it's also retarded to buy, or not buy a game because of AI use. It's equally as retarded to care if developers need to disclose or not. Everyone involved in this is just fucking dumb.
timmy is such a fucking cuck it would be sad if it wasn't so funny
>>750242309The only people who bitch about AI are trannies anyway.
>>750250228You dropped your badge.
>>750244940fpbp
>>750242309I thought vibegods liked to show they use AI? Why they are trying to hide themselves like trannies hiding their real gender?
>>750250146>if AI is so good for games, why does an AI label hurt them?Because it's not. It's a scam.
>>750250198In my county (the USA) those sorts are efforts are led by vocal minorities that do not represent most people. Look into how many complaints of any sort get filed by what % of the population. A substantial amount of those efforts are from no-lifers that make it their main hobby. And of course it's getting a ton on coverage from the legacy media who have much to fear from the technology. Everything is going to change in spite of such people and when the average people gets benefits from it (like a self driving car or a medical diagnosis) they'll pretend they never stood in the way of it and "it's different now".
>>750250284You really expect me to believe they had tablets in ancient egypt? What from Pharaoh Jobs?
>>750250259>I don't understand how they can be so proudly uninformed.You're misunderstanding the issue. Data centers drive their electricity costs up and the values of their homes down, provide (at best) a few dozen permanent jobs, and only benefit a handful of oligarchs living in SF/NY. They hate them for perfectly good reasons.
>>750242507Lmao I missed these posts
We love SI here.
Weird.You'd think they'd want to advertise their use considering how good they all insist it is. No way AI could end up a sign of lacking quality!
>>750242309If AI art is so good then why hide it? Why not proudly display a big "Made with AI" label?
>boilerplate EULAs now have a generic section about AI use that boils down to "I dunno, but probably" since basically all software is now coded with AIThere's no issue, they should just do it. Every single bit of software will have it, regardless of actual AI use. A "better safe than sorry" sort of thing, although not exactly sure from what...
>>750250339He had a coming out party and realised nobody likes his mental delusion so now wants to outlaw deadnaming. There's a direct parallel to all ai shill behaviour with tranny bullshit because both are centered around pretending to be something you aren't and doing everything in your power to force others to accept your new retarded identity.
>>750250083aijeets are kind of like jews when they recoil when you tell them that you can physically see that they are jewish without them telling you beforehand. Despite the fact that they have all of the shapes and pieces where they should be, it is viscerally and immediately identifiable. The tag is so i can filter out the obnoxious ugly visage presented in front of me. btw, still not a single ai game posted in this thread yet to dispel any claims that theyre all lazy dogshit
>>750250380>In my county (the USA) those sorts are efforts are led by vocal minorities that do not represent most people.Gallup poll from this year, read it and weep you retard
>>750250395Government regulation is to blame for the rise in electricity prices. There is a perverse incentive for the companies to overburden themselves because that's the only way they are allowed to raise prices.
>>750250457forgot pic
>>750242347>>750242309an infinitely better argument for sweeney to hang his tiny hat on would be to say valve sucks ass cause they get funding from Putin (modern day hitler) in the form of cs2 keys and they're stationed in a communist state ironically named Washington
>>750250408100%. SI will run the planet in a few years. All the little leftoid kids swallowing the party's slogans today will be begging SI for resources in due time.
>>750250484Surveys measure how people answer surveys.
I saw someone refer to them as Mechanical Indians, like a mechanical turk, and that tracks.Basically only does the work if you babysit them and it'll be total shit unless you're there correcting every step of the way, useless for anything but the basics
>>750242347I WONDER WHY IT WOULD ATTRACT NEGATIVE REVIEWS. . .
>>750250552it can't even run customer service at a mcdonalds drivetru KEK
>>750250412I mean we can play this game all day. If AI slop is so bad why do you need the label? Round and round we go. You don't have any point compared to the people that want the whole disclosure rule gone because the meta conversation about the disclosure is just an unnecessary culture war when people just want to fucking play games.
>>750244752Lucas was also ahead of the curve in the push towards using lots of CGI in movies.It shouldn't surprise anyone he supports using AI tools too.The problem is that he has enough talent to make something good with it. Most will just produce slop.
>>750250584Silly luddite is going to keep its head in the sand until the world passes it over.
>>750250593>If AI slop is so bad why do you need the label?A shorthand to be able to filter all of it out without even needing to look at it. Same way you know to avoid shit with the lgbtoid tag.Next question.
>>750250497>Government regulation is to blame for the rise in electricity prices.The anti-regulation, pro-data center party controls all three branches of the federal government, as well as the state governments in places like Texas and Ohio that are seeing the bulk of data center construction. Why do they still have these supposed regulations that seem to only drive up electricity prices when there's a data center nearby? Are they just incompetent?
>saaar how did you know i use AI fuck you bastar bitch
>>750250593>the meta conversation about the disclosure is just an unnecessary culture war when people just want to fucking play games.Then stop fighting it if it's unnecessary?People who don't care will just buy it anyway and people who do will be better informed and not buy it.
>>750242309Who cares about game developers? Consumers have the right to know what they are buying.
>>750245301some real dunning kruger here, your post opens with "george lucas is a retard who doesnt understand AI like me!" and your understanding of AI is surface level 80IQ breadtuber's "It's a heckin parrot that just repeats wut you gave it, I seent it on youtube" pop culture understanding. You don't understand the first thing about AI and likely have never even used the frontier models of today.
>>750250409>autistic tranime AGP>"AI is... le bad!"
Being upset someone used AI textures, sound effects, and music is mental illness. Who gives a shit unless the entire game is made by AI in which case it will be shit and no one will play it anyway.
>>750250395Data centers do not drive values of homes down, at least not compared to literally any other kind of industry. Most states have requirements around their electricity demand, in my state, it's a requirement that non-business electric prices are positively impacted through additional infrastructure buildout. Most mid-sized datacenters will have at least 50 permanent staff, but most staff will be either remote, or travel between data-centers.
>>750250737Read>>750250687>Consumers have the right to know what they are buying.
>>750250593>If AI slop is so bad why do you need the label?So I can filter it out, just like how I filter out trannyshit.Walked right into that one, didnt you?
>>750250593>If AI slop is so bad why do you need the label?to know not to bother and waste my money
>>750250593>If AI slop is so bad why do you need the label?Because I use the labeling system offered by Steam to filter things I don't want to see, and AI is SO AMAZING that developers shouldn't have any issues with that, I'm just 0.01% of the luddite population anyway.If you don't care about "anti-AI" people buying your shit, then why do you care about properly labeling AI usage? Again, AI is SO GOOD that your customers will be incredibly happy that you used it and will actively seek AI-made games. Me and the other 15 luddites were never gonna buy it anyway.Labeling AI usage is 100% a win-win situation for everyone involved except for those dumb luddites.
>>750250419this lolthere should be a "human crafted" label, that would probably work a bit better on store pages. could be there's already someone certifying that too, tie into that.
>>750250736>Anime suddenly bad>After AI fags advertised their shit with Ghibli fakes for weeks on endlmao
>>750250593Why there are AI filters for everything but not games? Makes no fucking sense. I don't give a fuck about the developers feelings. I hate them even more for trying to hide that shit.
>>750244009>jeet telling lambasting anyone for not making anything in their lifeis self awareness some sort of poison to you?
>>750250776No they don't otherwise you would have to disclose every single piece of software used. The operating system used. The keyboard the code was typed on. Who gives a shit, it's irrelevant. Literally no product is required to disclose all the exact tools used to make it.
>>750250784>>750250781>>750250778>>750250687>>750250683I'm not any of those anons but you do not have a right to know the tools or other business details about how a product was made. You are entitled to information about what's actually in the product not business operations.
>>750250892I'd honestly prefer a UE5 filter over an AI filter
>>750250593>if spam is so bad why do you need to filter itWhat a stupid fucking argument. Update your shill flowchart
>>750250902>but you do not have a right to know the tools or other business details about how a product was madeBut I do have that right.Steam gives it to me.
why the fuck is this retard so obsessed with not letting anyone know something is ai. isnt he proud of it?
>>750250892>No they don't otherwise you would have to disclose every single piece of software used. Yeah this is common practice, you need to state the engine you worked on. Lying or hidding information from the consumer is basically trying to scam them.
>>750243282ok but shouldnt tim want that because he thinks steam is too dominant? competition is a good thing, make ai store for ai slop so that steam isnt infested with those games
>>750250912This will be a meaningless distinction in a few years. If valve doesn't provide a filter the signal for ai slop will be the UE logo.
>>750250784very disingenous when the main driver of the demand for labels is so people can organize against it, review-bomb, etc. the dominant force is obviously ideological and seeking to punish transgressions. there are some people who simply would like to know as a matter of preference but that's not why this debate is happening and it's dishonest to not acknowledge the activism.
>>750243282fuck off tim
>>750250892>otherwise you would have to disclose every single piece of software used. They do. UE, Renpy, Unity, RPGmaker all have tags on steam. Probably some others Im missing>The operating system used. The keyboard the code was typed on. Nice, exaggerate the point to make it look dumb. Striaght out of the disingenuous shill playbook.>Who gives a shit, it's irrelevant. Then why are you so against it?>Literally no product is required to disclose all the exact tools used to make it.I have no idea how it works in your third world shithole, but manufacturers are required by law to disclose their ingredients in their food and medicinal products yes.
ai went from>haha look at shrek smoking crackto>btw we are going to completely liquidate the entire consumer market for ram, gpus, and storage for the forseable future so that we can try to replace as much of the countries workforce as possible with a product that works significantly worse and needs to be constantly tuned otherwise its vulnerable to exploits and fucking up massively without anyone realizing iti wonder why people dont like it
>>750250950He's operating on tranny logic now
>can filter AI slop images>cannot filter AI slop games??? Why the rules always change when a pajeet is trying to scam someone?
why is this thread filled with left-leaning opinions about AI? seems a little unusual.
>>750250952>you need to state the engine you worked onlol no you don't, that is not required. it is commonly available information, but it is not required.
>>750250902>You are entitled to information about what's actually in the productLike AI-generated assets, got it.I don't need you to tell me if you used Opus 5.5 or 4 Argon, you don't need to disclose that. I don't need to know if you used Codex or a VS Code extension. I do need to know if there are any GenAI assets like 3d models or music in the final product.
>>750251001A tag is not a requirement and plus the tags are user generated retard
>>750251001>I have no idea how it works in your third world shithole, but manufacturers are required by law to disclose their ingredients in their food and medicinal products yes.Some devs are so proud of their work they constantly showcase how the games were made.. like Kojima. Obviously a retarded AI jeet will never be able to know the feeling.
>>750250584SI today is the worst it will ever be.
genuinely think tim is in a manic drug induced state every time he pulls this shit, like elon crashing out about how much white people suck and how indians are so much better last christmas.
>>750246185>"Nobody would complain about Asbestos paint if they werent told about Asbestos being used in the paint"Hmmmm...
>>750250952that is not required zoomnigger
>>750251032neo-nu-/v/ is primarily comprised of 15-year-old autistic brown children who subscribe to gender politicsany time a website becomes predominantly brown the userbase will go left wing, it's just how it is
>>750251105How come 90% of the games on steam publicly display which engine the game was made?Why do 90% of the slopcoded games on steam hide how the game was made?Really jogs the nogs
>>750250902>you do not have a right to know the toolsYes I do nigger
Not to give away the trade secrets of fAIggots, however the reason they're so salty about a policy like this is because generative content does not have any copyright protections in the United States. "Pirate me, because it's perfectly legal to do so," it says.
>mfw hating AIslop and troons at the same time
>>750251191Because there are review bombing tranny groups that will target your game if you say you use AI, it's very simple
>>750251219This is not true, every AAA game made in the past 3 years openly uses AI. Try making a fan-game based on Call Of Duty, then when you're raping you in copyright court, I want you to pull out the /r/GamingCirclejerk post you read that said games which use AI are open domain. Let me know how hard the judge laughs in your face
>>750251046There are no AI particles in there. There might be some metadata. The antis want to think of it like contamination because that's how they feel about it, but it's not true. You are not entitled to know what tools were used to create the thing. It is not a health issue. It is purely ideological. You might find it relevant and put effort into finding out yourself, but it is unreasonable to demand it. The only reason the antis don't see it that way is because they are on a purity crusade. It is a background check on the asset's origin, not about the asset itself, or the type of images you see, or how the game plays, or any of the usual things a prospective buyer is reasonably entitled to know.
>>750250902is AI art not in the product? also most tools do stipulate you give credit when you use them.
>>750242347>informed consumers are... le bad
>>750250985Every single case of review bombing and boycotting that ever existed happened against specific games, specific companies and carried out by specific countries (mostly China) or other organized groups.No one ever review bombed a label (literally not possible on Steam). No one ever boycotted a label or a genre (other than Steam admins not allowing japanese games)There isn't a single thing a consumer can do when seeing a label that says "AI" other than literally buy the product to review it.It's pretty dishonest to think that the majority of consumers will buy a product they don't want just to leave a negative review (that it's not needed at all, cause there's already an "AI" label, no one needs to read 10 paragraphs of "AI BAD GAME BAD")Even if that were to happen, Steam has the tools to let you know if something was review bombed and they even exclude obvious bombings when calculating the overall review score.
>>750251272>It's pretty dishonest to think that the majority of consumers will buy a product they don't want just to leave a negative reviewanti-AI trannies do in fact do thisthey also spam your steam forum with whinging about using AI
>>750243258it affects my decision making, want to know when content was artificially generated by computer, call me old fashioned, but i just dont get the same satisfaction playing something that is result of processing most probable values from pile of illegitimately seized data, i accept it as proof of concent, story board, workprint or sketch, but not finished product, i also wouldnt pay full price for ai generated slop
>>750243898Thats how most games are made, its called being a producer/director.
There is so much AI slop games that is literally impossible to review bomb all them. I just want a filter to not see your shit bro.
I think its funny luddites being used as a slur by these ai tech faggots, especially after seeing what the industrial revolution did to the worldI am a proud luddite chud
>>750251382why are you using the internet and technology? you can go live in accordance with your principles, there is even a community of likeminded people - go and be with the amishyou will never do this btw because you don't actually think any of this. in fact you have no thoughts at all and are a nonsentient golem
>>750251382you wouldnt last a day in a preindustrial world you sissy
>>750251375There will not be a single game that doesn't use AI within the year.
>>750251382>but what has technology ever done for ME?
>>750251451Good let me play all older games then. Faggot. Keep the filter
>drm mogules argue with one anotherWhy is this important?
>>750251296>anti-AI trannies do in fact do thisMaybe the consumers are not willing to pay for extremely low effort shitty slopped games after working their 9-5. Every thought of that? All the AI slop that i've seen don't really have reviews, discussions, it's repulsive.
>>750251296"Majority" being the key word there anon. Despite what we like to believe here, in the real world those tranny groups are minuscule like their non-functioning little penises. Regular consumers just buy what they want and don't buy what they don't.When 95% of games use GenAI assets what will they do? Buy them ALL? Try to refund thousands of games just to get blocked by Valve after like 6 attempts?You're also overestimating how much attention regular people pay to those fringe groups. It happens even here, EVERYONE on /v/ knew the Wolverine game was a piece of shit with an emasculated protagonist and dated mechanics yet a gorillion normies bought it and had a blast playing it.
>>750242347I don't get it. If the game is that good, why not put it on Tim's shop? Why go to Valve unless they both admit that other stores besides Steam are junk
>>750246676>Fortnite is the only thing keeping Epic afloatyou know they own, UE5, right? the engine 75% of games use.
>>750246185Gamer's would have no issue with AI games if the people making the games knew how to make them good. As it is, this is just a much worse version of the time that gaming was oversaturrated with Mascot 2D Platformers. It killed consumer faith in the genre even though the genre itself wasn't the problem.You're giving me vibes that you're aligned the people who made Action 52 or Aero the Acrobat.
>AI disclosure implemented>all the shitty slop games just ignore it because why wouldn't theywhat now? obviously you start a thread on /r/games or /r/steam to complain, since you're all redditors. but, genuinely, what now?make it illegal...? illegal to lie about AI use? but then what even are we talking about here, is AI coding included? is it just the art you don't like?let's back up, maybe steam could have some sort of voting system about if games are AI? is that what you want, some sort of vibe-based AI detection?why not just let the shitty games get voted into oblivion, and you can just play the good ones that don't.
>>750251427>>750251434>>750251475dont care, firebombing my nearest data centre
>>750251427>>750251434NTA but the world is better *now* obviously than it was in the time of the Luddites. But in the short/medium term the industrial revolution didn't work out for them at all. They all lost their jobs and were forced into poverty, funneling into slums and coal mines, while their children were forced into factory labor, routinely losing limbs or their lives in the machines. The lucky ones grew old enough to go into the coal mines themselves. It took a century for the positive impacts to really distribute to the wider population (just in time for the World Wars, but I digress). Of course we're better off now than the Luddites could have ever dreamed of. But if you could go back in time to 1800 and tell them "don't worry, in *200* years things will be better" why would they act any differently?
>>750251492If the game looks bad and unfun just don't play it. Not playing because it used AI is mental illness.
>>750251562oh, also this throught process is exactly why this shit isn't happening, or if it is, it's immediately ineffective. you're screeching about nothing, and i'm explaining nothing to morons, we're all making mistakes here.
>>750242732still haven't seen anything decent or even playable (in the sense that I could be fucked playing it for more than 2 minutes) made with heavy AI uselow or moderate use for coding or some assets (like textures) seems fine
>>750251562>>all the shitty slop games just ignore it because why wouldn't theyget reviewbombed for lying. Admit it yourself or user tags will expose you. It's your choice
>>750251002I bought my computer just last year.Moore's Law is dead. So my computer should last forever.
>>750251563I am submitting your post to the FBI tips line. Good luck!
Literally always do the opposite of what Tim says.
>>750251634>low or moderate use for codingretard
>>750251638>get reviewbombed for lying.But they're getting reviewbombed already for using AI. Or more likely, for being shit. So nothing changes from right now, making it ineffective.What's a system that would actually work? Name it, describe it, point to one that exists.I'm pretty sure the real answer would be an AI code review or something. Like on Steam's end. It'd certify that AI wasn't used. And yes, this is very ironic.
>>750251662Wait, that's based.
The worst thing about ai is it empowers lazy and souless sub-90IQ races like the poojeets in India, we should really not be giving them this technology
>>750251582It's just a filter you dumb retard. I don't want to see them. I'm not obligated to like them just like I don't need to accept a tranny is a woman.
>>750251706did i butthurted you somehow? :(
>>750251723>bro what about this completely unrelated topicmeds, now
>>750243524I fucking knew this was going to happen. AI companies are far too fucking gay to give the common man such powerful cyber tools. Slop generation is all you're allowed.
>>750251562>what now?Players report the game and it gets removed from the platform. Works just fine in Pixiv.
>>750250593Made in X label was made solely to bully Germany. It ended up backfired on the Britain and it's beneficial for me.Why not?
>>750251753Don't act retarded. You did understand what I mean.
>>750242309Anyone who's against AI is a moron. It's a tool, nobody should be mad that a few overfed upper middle classprogrammers and music/3d artists get fired.We moved all our factories to china already and nobody complained.Why are we then somehow concerned about these fat, lazy middleclass chuds whos comfortable lifestyle is threatened by AI?Total AI implementation ASAP.
>>750246669hungry man thinks of bread, rakesh
>>750251813>It's a tool,Tool I'm not going to pay you for using. By all means make your slop, I'm just not going to pay for it. And if you try to hide your AI use, you're obviously trying to scam me into paying you money, in which case you're a poo-crusted Pajeet.
>>750251790Buddy, I'm sorry these things haunt your consciousness. Just take your meds and it will all go away.
>>750251708>What's a system that would actually work? Tagging. >Name it, describe it, point to one that exists.I dont go out fo my way to buy LGBT+ games just to downvote and refund them, I block them entirely. I downvote games that hide it from me to get a sale. It's just that simple. Be honest, admit you used AI and sell to the people that want AI games. Trying to trick your customers will just not end well for you On an unrelated note, your crying sounds eerily similar to the same narratives used by SBIshills and Denuvoshills. Interesting coincidence.
>>750251813>We moved all our factories to china already and nobody complained.Shit got cheaper.If your 'AAA' equivilent 80 hour game is $20, then fine.You don't get $60 anymore, since you moved all your work to a machine that costs cents to run.
A consumer has the right to decide if they want to pay for something for any or no reason.That is their choice, the market is built around that choice so that beneficial choices rise to the top.
>>750251813>we>middleclassFor furure reference, in English you put a hyphen in the phrase "middle-class". Try to put a little work in if you're going to LARP as an American.
>>750251813>nobody complainedAnd now we are facing the consequences of that where manufacturing industries in certain countries are just dead which got exposed how fucked it was during Covid (Australia)
>>750251813>jeets trying to bring about the death of human cultureYeah I guess I'd go for a total reset too if my culture was eating shit and being woman repellent
>>750251856Sorry about that. Now can just let me filter you great slop game. Thanks. Have a nice day sir.
tim's so based, honestlykids arent going to care about ai in their media in ten years
>>750251992If that's true then why the sperging out over the disclosure?
>>750251992 if the zoomer gen being retarded and as stupid as they are showed us anything is thatThis post is correct!
>>75025184895% of games were always slop, just like 95% of anime and movies and theater and everything. "AI slop" is just the new term for "shovelware".>>750251881Yeah I agree, games should over time become cheaper with AI implementation, but it's already happening. 60$ today buys half of what it did in 2006, and all atempts to price games higher than that are failing.>>750251908I will take english seriously when native born americans and english people stop typing "ask" as axe" and they as "dey".
This whole shit kind of reminds me of the whole sweet baby shit.>Nooo don't disclosure that!I fucking hate gayme developers.
>>750251813>We moved all our factories to china already and nobody complained.Do you know the story behind the "MADE IN X COUNTRY" tags?>British manufacturers made top quality steel items>factories in a newly unified Germany began mass-producing cheaper, imitation knives and tools>stamped them with fake British trademarks to fool consumers>Thus the British Parliament passed the Merchandise Marks Act of 1887 mandating all imports cite the country of origin>cheap, mass produced slop falsely branded to fool consumersTime really is a flat fucking circle
>>750242309>Muh 30%He's never going to shut up about that is he?
>>750251992Stop grooming kids pajeet
>>750244217That's what screenshots are for hon. I shan't be disclosing.
>>750252227You shall cry about it when you get exposed and downvoted into the ground
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>>750252121There is nothing new under the sun.
>>750245394The two most recent game of the year winners used AI lmaoIt's like talking to a retarded wall."The grass is green." >PROOF GRASS EXISTS???"You're standing on grass eating a hamburger made from grass-fed beef.">BUT PROOF?????
>>750252424>NONONO E33 USED AN AI TEXTUREYour disingenuous arguments really arent doing you any favors
>>750252121It's funny that it ended up becoming free advertisement for German industry.I think AI is here to stay. But as it stands, It's fucking overpriced as fuck because cloud AI is a meme. Local AI will be the future.
>>750252571>It's funny that it ended up becoming free advertisement for German industry.And yet we have so many AI shills seething about disclosing it. Now why would that be? It's the future! Be proud! Stand tall and tell the world you're a part of the future!
>>750252569Oh so it's okay to use *some* AI?
>>750252780Use as much as you want, buddy! Brag loudly to the world that you used AI! Let them know you're a member of the winning team!
>had gta5 on epic from some giveaway>bought it on steam anyway when i wanted to finally play iti cant fathom how anybody is using that piece of trash now that fortnite is yesterday's news
>>750242309people actually care where they stuff comes from, that's why we have labels for products that are cruelty-free, organic or even made in Americalet the market decide instead of trying to hide how your product was actually manufactured
>>750242309they think gamers give a shit about this lol
>>750252630>just stand proud bro we promise we won't rape you *unzip*I shan't.I'll wait until it's normalized and you've given up and stopped your struggle session and then years from now I'll admit it retroactively and chuckle about what a crazy time 2027 was like everyone else will. If I'm caught in the meantime I'll blame an unscrupulous contractor and then hire someone to fix it, by which I mean remake the asset with whatever the latest model is. Eat my proud ass, luddoid.
>>750253114Sure buddy, whatever helps you cope as you hide in shame in your shithole where you belong
>>750253114The most deranged tranny post I have ever seem. We really traded trannies for shit eaters.
>>750253114>$CURRENT_YEAR>different amount of fingers on each handtrillions of dollars down the shitter, clown world
>>750253223I just want the expedition 33 experience where everyone spends 6 months fellating me and then finds out I used AI and gets mind-broken like a mesugaki in a doujin with 8 content warnings and disclaimers on the cover. I'll never need porn again, I'll just imagine your crestfallen face.
>>750253696Wasn't at home with access to my own based generator
>>750253724>Get off when a man mistakes you for a real womanSister...
>>750253724Sure, buddy. Imagine whatever helps you cope as you hide in your hole in shame.
>>750242309Crazy things are happening right now. This man is a genius and was always ahead of his time and I think with his statement he also realizes these implications, such as, everything becoming open source due to AI. It becomes a matter of how a company (such as Epic Games) navigates this new landscape rather than succumb to it. They've been going for over 30 years, and they'll go for another 30, at least.
>>750253789>heather turns into a dreamworks character
>>750249081>implement pro-consumer functionality into steam>developers complainI'm noticing.
>>750242309It's funny how AIjeets behave exactly like trannies who get mad at getting called out for what they are.
