MIYAMOTO: "I think (with AI) the era has already arrived where everyone can make games. I had always hoped for a world where those boundaries disappear, so I think this has become a very good era."
>>750252134he has always been based
>>750252134>pro-AIEverybody can make their dream games now! That's wonderful!>anti-AIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MUH JERBS
>>750252363>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MUH JERBSLiterally exactly what the luddites whined aboutThey didn't even bother to pretend they cared about society, only the fact that they personally had to find new jobs (while society benefited IMMENSELY)
>>750252134>chatbot replyPost a link to a proper source or it's bullshit
>>750252410https://www.famitsu.com/article/202610/91818it's translated by SI, that's why it's a chatbot screenshot. SI is so good - human trannylators can't compare
>>750252134>[Amazing News] Clothes Manufacturer Endorses Spinning Jenny
Why is it that EVERY extremely high-IQ person on the planet agrees that AI is amazing?- Gabe Newell- Notch- Linus Torvalds- John Carmack- Tim Sweeney- George Lucas
>if we broaden the definition of "game"most telling quote in that
why is it always the boomers who love this shit? why do they love slop and mediocrity?
>>750252554They see it as the powerful tool it is rather than as a threat to their personal job security.
>>750252563>Why do genius veterans who know how the world actually works all like AI, while my trans polycule of communist teenagers all agree that it's bad?! WHY AREN'T THEY COMPLYING WITH THE SOCIAL CONSENSUS IN MY BUBBLE???
>>750252134very based.fuck luddites,they are the lowest of the low.
>>750252134The japanese are true cucks and dumber than indians. Disgusting shit race.
>>750252670, said Pedro Gonzalez, whose country is a fetid third world shithole
>>750252134>This is an era where people who are not game designers can create games.>If we broaden the definition of "game" (to mean garbage) I think the era has already arrived where every retard can makes games.What a terrible timeline.
>>750252563usually it comes from older types who used to be good programmers in their youth but their skills lapsed after transitioning into management roles and now with shit like claude code they can feel like they' can "keep up" again
>sorry I forgot the question a bitlmao
>>750252720This makes literally zero sense because people like John Carmack, Notch, and Tim Sweeney are god-tier programmers right now who would rape you all the way up and down a leetcode interview, and they love AI.
>>750252194>more advanced games
Anyone notice how it's the worst shitholes on the planet that fully support AI? America, China, Japan, India, AsiaMeanwhile Europe, Canada, South America are smart enough to avoid AI completely and hate it.
>>750252764They are old and they are shit at programming, only old has-beens love AI like them.
>>750252791This. Here in Britain we are banning AI and it's for the best - let those savage americans and their shithole drumpf country have it. We will show you why humans are better
>>750252828>They are old and they are shit at programmingyeah no. you're a kid who's never written a line of code.your argument makes no sense from the very beginning, because literally almost 100% of professional SWEs use AI right now. and the better the dev, the more into AI they tend to be.
>>750252363>pro-AI>Everybody can make their dream games now!Nobody is doing that and anyone who was going to do that didn't need AI in the first place. The "Dream game" stuff is pure copium from people who never any ambition to do anything in the first place and I saw it perfectly said before that these same people are still going to beg for someone else to hit the "do everything" button for them just so they can keep avoiding the truth of their "dream game" being shite.
>another thread with jeet llms replaying to each other>don't even bother to change the filenames>tiresome.jpg
>>750252879sounds like a very bitter and projecting post from a retard who will never make his dream game!sorry you got stuck in the past, maybe next life
>>750252764carmack and sweeney are has beens who stopped being cutting edge genius programmers twenty or more years agonotch was never a good programmer and anyone who played minecraft before 2011 can tell you that
>>750252134Pretty on brand. Miyamoto doesn't care for video games and his games were made as a direct result of him disliking how video games are usually made while pulling inspiration from his personal hobbies. So when a tool comes out that allows others to make stuff that can put their creations out there, it tracks he would be for it.
>>750252927>"no u"
>>750252928see >>750252876
>>75025244If you actually read this, it comes off more like Miyamoto barely knows what it even is. Which is a common boomer stance because they don't actually care to work that much anymore so they don't have to see the results.He's literally talking about shit that hasn't happened like it has. And he constantly reiterates that humans can still produce something.Its just a non confrontational response, this shit is actually worthless. He's also always been more of a business guy.>>750252764>Notch is a god tier programmerJust because you like minecraft does not mean the tech behind it was super advanced, the guy was always kinda lazy.But also most of those people are old and have done jack shit for years you do realize.
>>750252563Yeah. Its the tide pod eating half black mysterymeat tiktok mutts who know the best
>>750252134>everyone can make games>but they won't>instead they will ask grok to write 500 lines essays justifying not making the game but also advocate to make games illegals if I don't like them.the only future we are getting so far.
>>750252134>another AI bot threadfuck off faggotsAI is shit
>>750252637>thousands of people getting fired and then often having to be re hired because shit goes south>rising price of PC components>water and electricity bill and noise rising in places with data center>companies that steal and thwart copyright outright downloading and seeding torrents because they are too big to fail>propaganda, fake news, scams becoming more prominent and sofisticated>companies hacking into other websites and taking no accountability"Why do they hate us so?" This is peak jewish behaviour.This is like the car got introduced everywhere but we didn't get most of the benefit, we got lead fuel and more accidents when we need seatbelts and for companies to stop trying to cram this shit everywhere just to keep this bubble going, they are ruining it themselves just like with the Dot Com bubble, taking it a great thing, the Internet and trying to make it bigger and more inflated than it was for a quick buck.
>>750252972copium
>>750252963Still coasting off shit they did twenty/thirty years ago, what has Carmack done lately?Michael Jordan was great in his day but he wouldn't be a top 20 player in today's NBA
jokes on him i still have the shit from the gigaleak oops i accidentally made f-zero x in unreal lmoa
>>750252927Not everyone should be allowed to make video games, only professionals. Letting everyone do it is a huge mistake and create a tidal wave of slop which we're already seeing. We need less games, not more. Cant wait for Disney to tighten up the copyright laws again to strangle all these idea guys.
>>750252563They have suffered the numbness of technological stagnation far too much in the last few decades, so when something big finally changes for better or worse, they have fully committed to the change for its own sake.
>>750253017>Windows gets enshittified by pajeets and AI>Linux follows suitNo wonder people are just going back to Winblows so they can get prompt heh fixes to problems.
>>750253093>professionalsProfessionals making video games is how you've gotten $500mil budget diversity simulators that are inferior in every way to their predecessors that cost $5mil
>>750253102>guys he can code in assembly, that means he's a pro who can write advanced code in other languages! india rocks, luddites shocked!
>>750252928>>750252828I didn't know math 2.0 came out with a different ruleset. Guess algorithmic thinking is not a thing anymore with that common core of yours?
>>750253139And? I'd rather have those games exist than let shitheads make any slop they want.
>>750252927Videogames should be gatekept by every mean necessary and that includes game development. If you couldn't be bothered to learn and make your "dream game" before AI, you shouldn't be allowed to touch game development after AI. In 99.99% of cases they won't even bother anyways. That last 0.01% are probably going to make a VN tier game with fanfic-level writing.
>>750253017Is that meant to be some sort of get. If you are even the slightest bit in the know you'd know this guy was doing the opposite of high end coding for millennia at this point.
The best thing about the SI "debate" is luddites are powerless and will seethe themselves *literally to death* over SI's ascension. There will be suicides by sunken-cost retard trannies who can't handle that they were wrong
>>750253017>Remove AI tag because vibe coders got their feelings hurt.>Linux gets a tsunami of slop code nobody has time to vet for.>Ban everyone else but veteran contributors and people who put lot of money on AI companies from contributing.Dude became a full blown corpo cuck.
>>750252134>Japs when they use AI for games: :D>Japs when the Chinese steal their AI games ideas using AI: >:(
>>750252134Miyamoto has no idea what AI is currently capable of or what is required to actually make a game with it. He probably thinks anyone can just ask it to make a full game and it'll spit it out, ready to be sold.
>SI
>>750253210>coding is such a tedious and droll activity that even the world's best stop doing it after 10-20 yearsAnother great argument for SI. Thank you!I'm glad Claude Code is so massively successful, feelsgoodman
>>750253252Dont make me explain the bait
>>750252554Each of them see it differently, but essentially as "AI can just pump out something that takes a full team a month to do, I can save time and money with this"
>>750253243>waaa waaa why won't this admired industry leader take up my mentally ill transsexual crusade against SI!>all i wanted to do was shit up his project and turn it into a political battleground for my gay race communist grievances against SI!!!!!!
>>750253057bot post
>>750252563Old farts who's brains have rotted away from age are easily amazed by things. Jeets are born that way so they like the same things.
>>750253330>why won't this admired industry leader take up mentally ill transsexual crusadelmao he already did that years ago. But you're already fully aware of that, aren't you tranny?
why whypipo like AI wen it be prove take up all da water?
>>750252563Raised on TV. They still watch that shit and facebook.
>>750253378>entire linux maintainer group is autistic trannies>they demand "master" be changed to "main">this affects literally nothing so linus lets it throughMakes sense. Banning SI is another thing entirely and Based Linus of course said "no way, trannies!"
>>750252134>everyone can shit out garbagedefinitely not a good thing
>>750253379Theyre smarter than half the people who had beenzcrying about water use
>eurotroon hours>everyone is mysteriously seething about SIHmm, almost like your shithole nanny-state continent is an utter failure and has lost the ability to be a power in the coming century, since it can't into AI.
>>750252134Crazy things are happening right now. This man is a genius and was always ahead of his time and I think with his statement he also realizes these implications, such as, everything become open source due to AI. It becomes a matter of how a company (such as Nintendo) navigates this new landscape rather than succumb to it. They've been going for over 100 years, and they'll go for another 100, at least.
>>750253434>Makes sense.Linus let it through because his daughter was a major Tumblrite who demanded for it. Keep defending trannies and wokeslop, trannies and pajeets are all the same.
This will age well when Nintendo starts suing decompers.
>>750252134oh ok shiggy, so you're totally cool with AI recompiling your games on pc then? including switch 2 games soon?freedom for everyone after all
>>750252194But also, that time he was first shown BOTW and then spent over an hour climbing up and down trees in a small radius shows his ability to find joy and childlike wonder in anything rather than being a sign of cognitive decline
>>750252554Cause even if AI takes over their jobs they could afford to retire the next day?
>>750253642he speaks perfectly coherentlyif you have never climbed up and down trees in a game for an hour you're an unsouled faggot retard with no appreciation for good tree climbing mechanics
>>750252879I'm doing that, and my games are fucking incredible already. Cope you worthless little faggot.
>>750252134>>750252363Are you genuinely fucking retarded? Both you and that rice munching faggot. Anyone could make a game for many many fucking years now. Nothing was stopping people from acquiring the needed skills, making a game and putting it out there for everyone to play.The only thing that was stopping you faggots from making your "dream game" was the part where you need to actually work on it and know how to get shit done.>>750252764Yeah. I know that useless has-been celebrities desperate for relevancy and absolute idiots like Tim Swine love AI.
>>750252134Nothing he says actually endorses AI but OP is an ESL who cant tell that no matter how much the interviewer pushed Miyamoto endorsing AI he just says that anyone could make games already(which was true before AI)>Sorry, I forgot the question a bitClassic evasion
>>750253674Post your game.
>>750252447>it's translated by SI, that's why it's a chatbot screenshotIt's also an incomplete cut up segment of the interviewYou missed entire segments >When you decide to create something, you start with a big plan, right? You try to move forward towards a goal. From there on, it's just the work itself. Filling in the gaps, finishing it nicely, and so on. The troublesome thing is, the work is fun. There's a tremendous sense of satisfaction from creating something, isn't there? (I'm sure writers understand this).>But the scary thing is when I become satisfied with the work and mistakenly think, "I've made something pretty good.">In that sense, the more AI becomes capable of handling various tasks, the more opportunities it gives everyone to seriously consider "what it truly means to create," which I think is a very good thing.>There may have been designs in the past that were created solely through copying. But those don't last, do they? What's important is that an individual is intentionally trying to design something, and the computer is assisting them in that process.>While AI may evolve to the point where it can do everything for us, I think there are still many things we can do.Specifically saying making slop isn't what it should be used for and treating games like slop where they're shat out in record time isn't a positive as they're made to be forgotten. You didn't include that part for some reason...
>>750253785>Nothing he says actually endorses AIThe line in the OP clearly endorses AI and says that the AI era is "a very good era."
>>750253753Anon I think the rice munching faggot was making your exact point, dont speed read nigga
>>750253825nothing in the text you quoted says that AI games are slop???
>>750253827>The line in the OPEven if this was just meant for bait I laughed so heres a (You)
>>750252134>I had always hoped for a world where those boundaries disappearSo if he always hoped for a world where he can't make money and has to become a toilet cleaner in Osaka, can he just give me all his stuff then and get on it?
I think it's funny seeing people pretend this is the same thing as the older tech advancementsAI has done nothing for us so far, and is looking to do nothing either
>>750252134NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMAY HE GET CAUGHT!MAY HE GET CAUGHT?REEEEEEEEEE
>>750252973Because the lead and asbestos poisoned news network watching raped goyslaves are geniuses right?
>>750253825>There may have been designs in the past that were created solely through copying. Why would he talk about this and then follow up with>But those don't last, do they? He's indirectly saying that a game made just to be a copy has no lasting appeal. What do you think slop is?>What's important is that an individual is intentionally trying to design something, and the computer is assisting them in that process.And here he's further pushing the idea that games should be made with passion. Where's the passion found in making slop to clog up the eshop/steam/etc.?
>troonime fans literally deluding themselves into thinking he didn't endorse AI when the original article was linked in the thread (>>750252447) and he very clearly says itkekthey will enter a full delusional alternate reality when their jp masters disagree with them
>>750253986Meant for >>750253865
>>750253978>the lead and asbestos poisoned news network watching raped goyslaves are geniuses right?Well, they were smarter than you, yes.Mostly due to them being white and you being brown, but also due to dysgenic breeding practices. Sort of like how your mom fucked a thug who left you.
>>750252921Bold of you to think that these aren’t just actual jeets
>>750253986That and the line>The troublesome thing is, the work is funwhich is something AI faggots get filtered by
>>750253989He also clearly refers to it as a tool for assistance not treating it as a do anything for you machine. He agrees with AI being a useful tool but believes it shouldn't replace human creativity.
>>750253530Europe is better run than all the slop countries like America and China who eat up AI slop. When the bubble crashes those countries are going to collapse while EU will be untouched.
>>750253652>AI takes over their jobsPeople having been saying this for years, all it did was automate some annoying tasks for me at work.
>>750254073+1In britain we aren't so stupid as to invest in the AI bubble and in fact will be almost 100% clear of it when it pops, we are not allowing american migrants when their depression hits either. Fucking swine country
>>750254085Sounds great, what job is this exactly and how to get it?
>>750254085Your point doesnt disprove mine, that point being they have nothing to lose and cashed out at this point.
>>750254025If boomers are so damn smart then why do they worship Israel and its golems like Donald Trump? And why did they completely fail to be good parents for millenials?
>>750252563>>750252554>>750252635>>750252720>>750252764Because they're already rich as shit and don't give a fuck about anyone else dying in a ditch? They and their families will rule regardless.
>>750252791>Europe, Canada, South America are smart enough to avoid AI completely and hate it.You mean communist shithole full of browns?
>>750254045This too, actually having fun creating is the main point he makes in the interview. He accepts AI as a support tool but not as a "it does everything so all you need to do is prompt" machine.
>>750252363>Everyone can make gamesDoesn't mean everyone should sell the shit they make
>>750252720As opposed to the cynical luddites that never did and never will have talent just calling everything slop from the peanut gallery.
>>750254227You're putting words in your mouth based on what you wished he said, lol
>>750252764>John Carmack>Notch>Tim SweenyThey already made their millions and left their traces on the world. Who is ever going to make lots and lots of money with programming or a game idea now? At best you have to hope and make an IP that people really like, but no one will become famous for programming shit any more.
>>750254274No, it's pretty damn clear where his views lie. The retard putting words in Miyamoto's mouth is OP trying to push him as a pro-slopper when he's pro-support tool. Why else would OP leave out that entire section of the interview?
>>750254274>You're putting words in your mouthOkay I had my fun but now Im exiting the thread. Fucking third world spammers who dont know the Queen's English fucking have ruined this board holy shit
>The Super Mario Galaxy Movie was written by ChatGPTwe already knew this miyamoto-san
>>750254405Stop being so proudy
>>750253093bro just ask AI to filter out the good games for you from the tidal wave duhthere's nothing wrong with games only being played by a few hundreds people, be far more personalized and not having to adjust to the low iq masses on npcs
>>750254037There's a difference?
>>750252791It tends to be European cultural heritage/art that is being pillaged by generative AI, so that makes sense. The others either stopped caring (Americans) or it's just that foreign thing that never had as much value to them as the domestic equivalents.
>>750252972>ai cult lying once again
>snoys making shit threads>again
I feel like anti-AI "people" are bunch of naive children who are just in their rebellion phase against their parents, but at the same time fully believe everything their parents said and cant think of anything outside of thatThese people can only look at the good side the AI companies are showing them without thinking about what bad thing these AI can do if government dont invest in them as a mean of defenseThere has been multiple vulnerabilities that has been laying dormant for decades that got discovered and used in the last few months, the php2shell that hit 4chan few days ago is one such case. Do you know openAI just happened to *oopsie* hacked huggingface, and at the same time they also offer a service to let AI scan all vulnerabilities for you for a cheap price of few thousands $/day?
I can't wait for Nintendo and their studios get flooded with vibe coding pajeets using AI.
>>750252134Good, luddites are the detritus of humanity.They deserve to be mocked and shat on as we march towards the future while they seethe impotently.
slowly making progress, if full duels are working ill turn it into a longer yugioh rpg
ITT>WAHHH AI BAD SHUT IT DOWN>AI GOOD IF YOU HATE IT U R TRANNY LUDDITE BROWNOIDAll these AI threads have proven to me is that there was a very good reason society was so heavily stratified in the past.
>>750255409>NOOO IF YOU TELL OFF RETARDS WHEN THEY SHARE THEIR UNINTILLIGIBLE BABBLE ABOUT A TOPIC YOU'RE... YOU'RE L-LOW-CLASS!okay so what is your far more nuanced, profound and intellectual take on the matter?
>>750255409btw you don't even have to share it. it is "there are good use for AI (replacing other people's work) and bad use of AI (replacing my work).woah you're incredibly deep.
>>750256186>>750256256ok dude
>>750252554>multi-millionare faggots with nothing to lose are pro-AI
>>750255409it's called SI you fucking troon
>>750252194so why is allowing them to dumb down OoT then?
>>750252554And they all talk about AI code.
>>750256792bodied that dysgenic freak, goddamn
I don't like that access to these magic tools are based on the whims of millionaires that aren't making much money out of it in the first place and it can go down at any moment or worse, have access restricted after the government or other powerful entities believe that the common man doesn't deserve it, especially now that technology is getting more and more inaccessible. If people can't afford computers, they're 100% going to start funneling people into enclosed hardware systems and achieve their dream of turning intelligence into a commodity where you can't do anything without their permission.If anything I'm more surprised that companies that produce consumer technology/media aren't up in arms about other companies forcefully funneling them and everyone else into an unfavorable position. Capcom did all that work to make MH Wilds an unoptimized piece of shit that only beast PCs can run and now nobody can afford the parts needed for it.
>>750254184So you admit the tech is good and the only problem is that you might die in a ditch.
>>750257224Yeah schizo, somehow they're gonna lock down computers on the planet and shoot an EMP wave destroying all technology so we'll be forced onto their hardware.
>>750252134japan is always a decade behind
>>750252363ai is bad for 3 reasons:1. It is bad to outsource knowledge and skills to a cloud service that you have no control over. Tech companies like Netflix or Disney+ initially build good will with their customers before worsening the quality of their service by including higher subscription fees and restricting features.2. A lot of people are going to make a lot of scams, cryptominers, and malware with this to ruin a hobbyist space. Most of the people using ai are sociopathic antisocial types who don't have respect for creatives at all, so they see an opportunity to obtain easy cash and clout. AI prompters have the same mentality as scalpers.3. Current creativity is difficult, annoying, and tedious to do, but the purpose of these trials is to train new creatives into adopting professional workflows so that they can enter professional industries. Modding, fanfiction, and shorts were fun forms of job training that can get you hired by professionals, and that unlikely to exist anymore with people faking it. Hobbyist communities were comprised of working class types who come from humble backgrounds, but it'll be filled to the brim with rich people who swipe their cards to prompt slop.
>>750257664small companies literally cant start if they dont have the money to afford even a basic office PC because of how important technology is in every facet of our livesthey cant remove what currently exists but they can certainly make it difficult for anyone starting fresh as is happening right now
>>750257803A basic PC for office work and business work is a few hundred dollars, it has not increased even with the memory shortage. It definitely is not the highest cost when building a new office either.
>>750254170They're not smart, just smarter than you
>>750257224It makes sense when you realize this allows them to push their ideal future. Cloud streaming. They don't want consumers to have power of any kind. They want you entirely locked into their ecosystems. AI is just another step to it. It's cheap and highly useable because it's a drug. You get instant gratification why do you think the selling point from shills is LOOK AT HOW MUCH YOU CAN GET AND HOW MUCH FASTER IT IS? Why is it called AI brainrot? It's a drug that can only be used effectively by a small minority of people. Everyone else degrades with it's use as laziness kicks in. They'll forget more and more as they default to "Just let AI solve it for me" or "I'll leave it to AI" as they do their skills degrade and they forget more and more as they let the instant gratification take over. Those with weak constitution or low IQ obviously degrade even faster. It's why jeets using AI have been the reason the internet has been fucked more recently.>AWS shut down due to vibecoded Pull Request shutting the entire internet for a few hours>PHP bug that fucked everything for hours again and has damaged many sites with inactive or not particularly active hostsIf you're going to use it, use it as a tool for support or to teach you things, but do the actual work by hand. Don't forget your skills and don't let them degrade.
>>750252134Miyamoto hasnt been involved in the development of a good game in 25 years. He actively has made Nintendo games worse for the last 15 years
>>750252134BTW, did you know that you're spreading misleading information?https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/shigeru-miyamoto-explains-why-ai-wont-make-human-creativity-obsolete/>The Mario creator concluded that, rather than viewing generative AI as a threat, he sees potential benefits if the technology forces game creators to reconsider what creativity involves.>“Looking back at past designs, there are some that were created merely by copying and pasting. Yet, such work rarely stands the test of time; it lacks the individual’s particular design intention,” Miyamoto said.>“Because the process relies on an individual’s intent, with the computer serving as an assistant for the labor, I believe that even as technology continues to evolve, and even if AI were to eventually handle everything, there will always be a role left for us to play.”His stance in AI is very neutral.
>>750257945He has the same opinion about AI as tim sweeney. It's just a tool.
>>750252637>abundance[they] will only care about the abundance for [them], everyone else can get fucked>cures for diseases[they] will use it to create diseases to cull the population>new knowlege discovered[they] will use it to suppress knowlege>massive well-being[they] will use it to enact cyber-feudalism where the only ones being well are [them]>advanced technology[they] will use it to not have to engage with the peasantsthe issue isn't ai per se, the issue is [them] who have usurped control of it
>>750252363More like>anti-AIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MUH LIVING AND THE WELLBEING OF MY CLOSE ONESAnd I'm okay with them going homeless, starving and dying. AI is inevitable, it will undermine and reshape society and the cost of it may very well be the lives of billions of people. What's anyone supposed to do to about it? Nothing. So let it come.
>>750257909don't use AI at all, they want you to be reliant on it
>>7502577594. You are a faggot.
>>750252134>person endorses new technology that everyone (who's not dirt poor) is going to use in the future.fascinating..
>>750253753>>Nothing was stopping people from acquiring the needed skills, making a game and putting it out there for everyone to play>t. Believed all the "le one man dev team made this super successful game all by himself!" stories from the mid 2010sOof
>>750258013>mental illness[paranoid scizophrenia]
>>750258130still won't buy your claude sub ai shill
>>750258114>what are local models
>>750258114Like water and electricity, the audacity of it all !
>>750258114That's the ideal obviously but those already addicted can at least ween off it by keeping their independence and using it like a glorified youtube tutorial without the shilling. Ideally people should stop but a tool promising total laziness, a "do anything you ask" machine, is an easy sell to the masses. The addiction is already deep and the withdrawal will hit like a truck as we essentially would have to send these addicts back to school to relearn basic math, literacy, etc.And before some AIjeet comes in and screams luddite this degradation was already happening thanks to the "no child left behind" policies that ensure everyone is taught at nigger levels killing literacy in even otherwise healthy and capable children. AI as simply accelerated the process by degrading everyone directly rather than through osmosis from close proximity to the mentally retarded shitskins.
>>750258269Yes we all know you are a poorfag.
>>I have long waited for a fay when the boundaries to game development dissappear!>patents every mechanic they can>sues anyone who infringes on their patents>C&Ds any fan project that gets too big>nukes roms and tries to nuke emulators from the web>sues a grocery store owner for being named MarioYeah bud, sure
>>750258170>Believed all the "le one man dev team made this super successful game all by himself!" stories from the mid 2010sThe success stories are bullshit but the actually comment is correctNothing was stopping you from picking up Blender. Nothing was stopping you from opening Unity or Unreal Engine or Godot. Nothing was stopping you from downloading one of the many free art programs or pirating photoshop. Nothing was stopping you from learning some basic music theory and working with a simple MIDI DAW.You could always learn these skills. There were tutorials in all forms for it. There were references upon references. Nothing was stopping you other than your own laziness.
>>750258198he's right, ai users will only create bad shit because they are selfish sociopathic misanthropes who steal. that is why it is being used for mass surveillance and war, it is inherently technology made and used by antisocial people who hate interacting with humanity. nothing good can come from it since everything they do is made purely out of spite for other humans. it's not a matter of if those would happen, it's a matter of when it would
>>750258405>meds[now]
>>7502582781. local models aren't as powerful as the cloud services being shilled here2. ai companies are buying all of the GPUS, SSDs, and RAM to make local models non viable
>>750258278solar install and collecting rainwaterone or both are illegal or bureaucratically restricted in many places, for example australia aka the testbed for democracy with modern characteristics
>>750252554Because actual visionaries and talented artists see it for the tool that it is, and a way to speed up the process to seeing your vision through. All the anti-ai faggots are either non artists with no talent that are just tired of watching youtube slop (and assume that's all it can do), or artists that know its potential but are basically Luddites fearing being replaced. What people really don't see the potential is in learning. I've actually made more progress in my ability to program simply because I'm now looking at code for shit I'm interested in that is directly tied to my projects. It makes a tremendous difference. I could never learn it years ago trying to make some stupid "hello world" equivalent game or application that did not have anything to do with what I wanted to learn. I'm able to tell it what I'm trying to do and examine how it achieved it. When you know what the outcome of the code is and how it relates to what you want it to do. you better absorb the logic and it's easier to decipher what's going on.
>>750252554only like 1 of those actually has a high iq
>>750258335Damn straight. Hobbyist scenes have working class backgrounds and they were great because of it.Rich kids like you become jealous of their talent and instead of having a curiosity for learning, you want to steal their shit and force them to pay you for it.>>750258420You will always be a bad person devoid of creating any good for the world, and it is because of your mentality.
>>750252554Rich old people who already made it don't give a shit about hollowing out junior roles, I am SHOCKED.
>>750252764>Notchlol fuck off notch
>>750258447>ai companiesNo, just Google and Microsoft. Anthropic and OpenAI don't have enough money to sit on hardware doing nothing, they're like 50 times smaller than the big boys.
What's stopping whoever is providing the cloud service that's making "your" game from stealing the project when it's 99% done and selling it as their own?
>>750258528You have learned nothing, all of the information that you wanted to seek could be obtained from emailing or chatting other devs or programmers. They would either help you out or set it up for you for free. You are just antisocial and incurious because you feel icked from speaking with an inferior.The purpose of hello world apps was to teach you how to setup your IDEs and libraries/frameworks before moving onto other complex projects.
>>750258669that shit is small potatoes to them, they don't care about some random indie game that'll sell like 10 copies
>>750258630amazon is sitting on millions of unused hardware right now
>>750258669Nothing
>>750258684>all of the information that you wanted to seek could be obtained from emailing or chatting other devs or programmers.Oh shut up you elitist prick. You just outed yourself as some stack overflow faggot who wants to gate keep knowledge so your ego can be stroked. Nobody has to do this, just as nobody has to call up some professor at Cambridge to find out some science answer. You think you're smart but you're not. You have no argument other than muh feelings.
Is this the first tech breakthrough where old people like it and young people hate it? Usually it's the opposite.
>>750258721Yup, and FAGMANs aren't AI companies, they're threatened by AI companies.
>>750258684>noooooooo he used the internet>he could have just went to the library but he's anti-social!
>>750258528>actual visionaries and talented artists see it for the tool that it isbut they also see how it devalues ideasif every idea can be rapid fired into existence, you have no incentive to stay with any of them for longit's like old cinema vs youtube, you can have production quality of 20 year old blockbusters at a fraction of the cost with modern tools (even pre-ai ones), but you'll never reach the audience and the discussion of a classic movie, it'll be treated as disposable unless you both specifically engineer for and really luck into an autistic audience (and then you'll grow to hate it like how gooseworks got increasingly annoyed of the tadc community)
>>750252363>>>anti-AI>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MUH JERBSI hate luddites
>>750257759>In the framework of Enterprise Intelligence, LLMs are extraordinary translators and inferential engines. They excel at synthesizing unstructured knowledge, mapping between modalities, and assisting with novel reasoning. But their very strength—being trained on vast external corpora and often accessed through externally hosted endpoints—introduces a governance tension when applied inside an enterprise.>In this sense, [code/rules/KG] is not merely a deductive engine—it is also a sovereign knowledge store.>This does not diminish the role of LLMs. Rather, it clarifies it: LLM as the know-it-all friend who knows a lot about a lot of things and can answer most common sense questions involving commonly known data, while [code] holds the private intelligence of logical formats such as those of strategies, business rules.>In such a design, LLMs act as architectural mortar: converting between natural language, code, graphs, and rules—but not serving as the permanent repository of strategic knowledge itself. The point of this blog is not to choose between symbolic systems and LLMs, but to place each where its strengths align with both cognitive function and governance reality.ez
>>750252927Ok then retard. How about you actually demonstrate to us the power of AI. Show us your dream game that you've developed with AI. But I suspect you will either ignore this post or reply with buzzword nonsense (either way there will be no sight or sound of your dream game.)
>>750258909Like with any tool, the goal is not to make shit projects really quick, it's to make shitty parts of a good projects really quick. High speed cameras, dollies, cranes, advanced lighting, all powerful tools that have helped make good movies. Anybody can grab a camera and make shit, because that's not the only ingredient. With something like AI, it's not enough to generate a batch of 100 textures and 1-click an engine. Talented people don't do that. They may generate base textures they edit, or perhaps to add distress or aging, or recolor or removals of details For code, they might know their goal functionality of the engine, and use the AI for snippets or to solve hurdles or problems they have. Plenty of people, like myself, still like complete control over the vision. I'd never use a completely AI generated texture, but doesn't mean one didn't play a part in the final texture. Same with code. All these ingredients still have to meet the vision. Right now it's too early as the people that are working on larger projects aren't going to be done in a week just because of AI. While the people with no vision or care past some clout are going to be shitting out 1-click slop.
>>750252134> a world where those boundaries disappearThe boundaries are still here, retarded jeets and zoomers with aphantasia who only know how to add one slop to another.They will never make anything good
>>750252363>Everybody can make their dream games now! That's wonderful!No one's "dream game" is the same as the initial idea because throughout the process of making the game it becomes apparent what ideas work and what doesn't work.
>>750252363AI is flooding the internet with dogshit and making my phone constantly ring with spam calls. Every game that gets announced or released on Steam gets undercut by dozens of vibe-coded Indian Slop clone games that make it impossible to find the original.Every business is using ugly-ass AI gens to make notices and menus and advertisements that all look the same.Developers are using AI to commit huge quantities of code they can't have possibly read, and it's causing huge uptime problems for major services.Kids aren't learning jack shit because they're just having AI models do the work for them, and every lunatic at the top of the industry is talking about this problem as if it's a fact of life we'll have to live with forever.And most importantly, the AI bubble is making electronics way more expensive than they need to be. I can't rebuild my computer for a reasonable price. I can't replace my phone with an equivalent model for a similar price. And my electric bill has gone up 30% since 2022.
>>750258851>Is this the first tech breakthrough where [a loud minority of redditors pretending to be "most people" and speak for young and old people but it's only redditors] hate it?
>>750252134Nintendo is really lazy now so it makes sense
>>750258447Chinese companies are a few months behind but they can distill the top models and bring up their quality quickly. Also their models run cheaply on lower end hardware. In the end we'll reach a point where even the mid tier AI run locally is going to be good enough for what most people are doing and there's nothing the top companies can do to stop it.
>>750258528Actual visionaries don't play gatcha with their vision you fucking retard. There's a reason only programmers and hacks are excited about offloading the creative aspects of game design, it's like brick layers thinking they have a free architect.Yes there are a few architects who now have a free brick layer but they are outnumbered 100million to one.
>>750259306>Kids aren't learning jack shit because they're just having AI models do the work for themThat just means you'll have less competition in the job market
>>750259501what job market?
>>750252363One day you will realize why not everyone should be allowed to create things.
>>750252134Making a video game sounds gay and cringe. I don't want video games to exist. So I don't really care how they are made as long as they're good and fun. A retard might think I am contradicting myself, but I am not.
>>750252134You all called him a senile retard just yesterday
>>750252134Another evidence that guy didn't make anything in his life. He's a suit who played Le quirky genius for the public
>>750259306All of these were issues that existed before genAI. You just ignored them and pretended the slop wasn't there.>AI is flooding the internet with dogshitSpam, pop-ups, banner ads>Every business is using ugly-ass AI gensCorporate Memphis and other sterile visuals>Developers are using AI to commit huge quantities of code they can't have possibly readSpaghetti code, bloated codebases, bog-standard humanslop>Kids aren't learning jack shit because they're just having AI models do the work for themDigital natives, kids raised by iPads>the AI bubble is making electronics way more expensive than they need to beInflation, shrinkflation, virtual monopoliesIf anything, AI is improving the situation across the board by enabling the development of better solutions faster. Even in the case of kids' learning results dropping, AI just means they won't HAVE to learn anything to become productive members of society down the line.AI isn't going anywhere. You're not going to push the toothpaste back into the tube. Learn to live with it or die.
>>750252554These are all rich assholes with job security (if they even still actually work), AI is just a new form of pulling the ladder up behind them
>>750252134>Me when I lie on the internet
>>750252554>"Fuck you, I got mine."
This thread reeks of curry and feces.
>>750258779It's so sad that you're clearly indian, knowledge should be kept because we dont want browns like you to touch them.
>>750260576thisnever forget it AWLAYS boils down to this.
>>750259063Has anyone actually programmed their dream game by their own hands? Since this topic is about Miyamoto, Miyamoto has been in the game business for over 40 years, and 40 years ago, he had a game he wanted to experience, but he has not experienced it due to limitations. And even to this day, he hasn't realised his dream game, and he's a veteran.You would have to have pretty low expectations to expect your 'dream' game to come into being from your own hands. Many artists draw because there's something they want to see that doesn't exist, but they keep drawing because they never reach the moment they have fully realised what they want to see (if they did, then there wouldn't be a need to continue drawing; they have their 'dream' realised). I doubt AI in its current state will realise anyone's dream; they'll keep prompting it to create stuff they want to see and like Miyamoto, it'll not scratch that itch, but it'll probably be better than commissioning another human to create a facsimile of what they wanted.
>>750258538>i on the other hand (some fat loser shut-in on /v/) have a high "IQ" and can gasp things that those plebs cant even fathom
>the same thing Ralph Bakshi said towards fledgling animators during the advent of Flash and the internetFunny how the anti-AI trannies are sucking off their (((indie))) cartoons when that wouldn't have been possible without certain technologies to give them the keys.
>>750260924Yes, but this time it's (You) who didn't get yours despite all the unions, strikes, and protests that were supposed to give you what you thought was yours. Learn to code.
>>750261179>code>2026lollmao even.
>>750261043>NO Uriveting
>>750252554Because they don't have to care. Same with government officials and high ranking personal endorsing wars because they and their families don't participate.>GabeCan't even spend 1/10 of how much they make on any given day with CS2 keys to hire a contractor for a year to fix TF2, now CS2 and soon into the future Deadlock will be steam sponsored abandoware. Can coast on Steam Store.>NotchBillionaire lolcow who made one game by copying some voxel game. Nothing in the world of AI>Linus and CarmackHaven't made anything revolutionary in 40 years, the latter says AI is amazing because he works at an AI company.>Tim SweeneyBumbling Hack who got lucky on a trend. People were hating on his engine even before AI got announced in 2022>George LucasThe only good thing he made was 20 years before the only thing Linus and Carmack madeBetter question, what have they created after AI? When's the last time you heard any new project from them, made by them, not their companies or peers? And what did they do?
>>750260482Except that it overwhelmingly makes said problems worse>Nuh uh!You think that the average retard being abke to make thing doesnt lead to all these problems times a billion? How many absolute dogshit AIslop images were spammed again? >DUH TOOTHPASTEI thought you retards got the message to stop using the same fucking phrases when /ic/ kept making fun of you
>>750261737AI is the future bro.Luddites like you are super cringe.You will be left behind and we will enjoy mocking your stupidity.
>>750261737>Except that it overwhelmingly makes said problems worseNTA but it did ruin any optimism about any type of advancement.Just a few days ago, scientists were able to turn blood cells of an 80 yo into neural stem cells with a molecular age of less than 20. My first thoughts were about how inflation and society would be affected by it (possible forced sterilization, raising the age of retirement, old crocks that would eventually be replaced normally get to rule longer) before thinking that you could experience everything the world has to offer, work on projects without having to rush them, be more relaxed that death by natural causes get to happen later in life and life expectancy and extended youth being a new normality.Like damn, imagine one day immortality is announced and the first thought is, "fuck I'll have to wage forever".
>>750262160Fuck, I feel this. I miss the optimism of the past.
>>750257803>>small companies literally cant start if they dont have the money to afford even a basic office PC because of how important technology is in every facet of our lives>they cant remove what currently exists but they can certainly make it difficult for anyone starting fresh as is happening right nowOk take a bank loan moron? Why start a company if you're not successful in life at first? Wtf you gonna do without any success or money or anything? Suck dick? Your worthless prove you're self first.
>>750257449>So you admit the tech is good and the only problem is that you might die in a ditch.What do you mean?
>>750262957Yeah! Because loans don't increase the amount of money in existence and don't lead to inflation. Wait a minute
>>750252408Would YOU work in those times, as a 5 year old, operating a machine that will shred your arms for a wage of just a few cents a week? Meanwhile your boss's profits increase 5 times as much (your wage stays the same).
Judge AI by it's biggest supporters, and you'll see nothing but inhuman enemies of mankind.
More and more jobs will get automated, when it gets to the point where surveillance and policing is fully automated then rebellion becomes impossible and you will starve or be culled, no need to placate the masses with UBI or anything at that point.Savings won't save you either, your private property is only respected because it can be enforced.
>jeet>jeet>jeetevery single thread lolliterally no rebuttal
>>750258303>this degradation was already happening thanks to the "no child left behind" policies that ensure everyone is taught at nigger levels killing literacy in even otherwise healthy and capable childrenI mean... maybe you should try to fix that first?
>>750262160>imagine one day immortality is announced and the first thought is, "fuck I'll have to wage forever".Because if they develop the technology to create immortality that will be the only reason they do it and that will be the outcome. It's a justified response.Kill your overlords
>>750252408the joke was that more jobs were created specifically because of industrializationindustrialization was such a massive game changer that no one knew what could have happened beyond loss of jobs
>>750258396Just the fact that I had to work for a living yeah.
>>750263920I think it's funny how obvious the Chinese make it that they're being blatantly anti-ai on English speaking forums, but their biggest insult is you're Indian. How more obvious do you have to be?
>>750264067>the joke was that more jobs were created specifically because of industrializationJesus Christ anon, stop with the good points. Next you're gonna say the car industry, another favorite comparison to AI, also created more jobs (to the point that immigrants had to be brought up and taught english and other subjects) than it took and lead to more possibilities compared to AI.
>>750264067>We, in civilized societies, are rich. Why then are the many poor? Why this painful drudgery for the masses? Why, even to the best paid workman, this uncertainty for the morrow, in the midst of all the wealth inherited from the past, and in spite of the powerful means of production, which could ensure comfort to all in return for a few hours of daily toil?>The Socialists have said it and repeated it unwearyingly. Daily they reiterate it, demonstrating it by arguments taken from all the sciences. It is because all that is necessary for production — the land, the mines, the highways, machinery, food, shelter, education, knowledge — all have been seized by the few in the course of that long story of robbery, enforced migration and wars, of ignorance and oppression, which has been the life of the human race before it had learned to subdue the forces of Nature. It is because, taking advantage of alleged rights acquired in the past, these few appropriate to-day two-thirds of the products of human labour, and then squander them in the most stupid and shameful way. It is because, having reduced the masses to a point at which they have not the means of subsistence for a month, or even for a week in advance, the few only allow the many to work on condition of themselves receiving the lion’s share. It is because these few prevent the remainder of men from producing the things they need, and force them to produce, not the necessaries of life for all, but whatever offers the greatest profits to the monopolists.What a technology promises or enables is largely tied to the social context of who owns and controls it. The luddites didn't hate labor saving technology, they hated the ruling class gaining greater leverage over the working public. The ruling class does not like the story to be told this way. It's the same story with AI. Nobody hated it until it became a way for trillionaire jews to consolidate all of human knowledge into a rent-seeking monolith
>>750252134dumb
>>750264312there are entire libraries worth of human achievement available to be learned online for freethe only thing holding the plebs back is ignorance, laziness and apathyits far too convenient to just maintain the status quo than to strike out on one's own and make do with what they can with their own two hands
>>750252134Feels good to be on the winning team
>>750264532>there are entire libraries worth of human achievement available to be learned online for freeThe single greatest predictor of success when forming a new small business is "recently received gift or inheritance". It's just about access to capital. But I'm not making a statement about political economy or what's wrong with capitalism right now, I'm only pointing out that the Luddites were a political movement, not a technological one. It's like pointing to the Boston Tea Party and going>damn the colonials really fucking hate tea huhno you retard that was not what they were doing that for
>>750263274He means that you're a narcissistic retard that's unable to be honest with yourself or with the problem and you keep beating around the bush and try to hide behind emotional arguments such as 'muh soul' or 'but AI art bad', and that makes you unworthy of our trust and you will therefore die, you stupid retard.
>>750264668i was simply addressing what you said about " the ruling class gaining greater leverage over the working public."the internet is a great equalizer in its own rightmillion and a few billionares were created simply by being charismatic while playing video games or shoving large objects up one's ass for a half hourthe only thing the ruling class has influence over now is how expensive products get because even ai can make a pleb money
>>750252134I'm glad he's not a gatekeeper and is fully embracing that with AI everyone can be a game developer.
>>750264312>Nobody hated it until it became a way for trillionaire jews to consolidate all of human knowledge into a rent-seeking monolithBut anon the economy is built on this concept borrowed from communism: planned economy aka "line go up".Just look at the food industry, for the first time in decades line didn't go up, thanks to fitness culture maintaining a foodhold and ozempic and now they are trying to see how they can make their food addicting even to people on ozempic as well as rebranding products as "glp-1 support/plan".Or the housing industry, where prices and rent increases because houses are not being built.>>750264943>the internet is a great equalizer in its own rightFor now.
Adapt or die.
>>750264943>the internet is a great equalizer in its own rightIt is, and you won't hear me saying it's not. The internet is a great example of what the death of capitalism could, in principle, look like, and serves as a fascinating microcosm for how capitalism grows and functions>starts as a lawless territory where people make things for the joy of making them and share them freely>as cost realities rise, has enabled an entire economy of self-employed or collaboratively-owned enterprises>rent-seeking entities use the force of law (via DMCA) to interject themselves into this exchange and extract rents at points of use and transaction (YouTube, social media platforms, reseller platforms like eBay and amazon, etc)Even with all of that, it's a fact that as the capital barriers to entry in digital fields collapsed (partially thanks to the internet), most of the capitalist structure around them dissolved. Today FOSS software is considered industry leading in many fields. Major publishing industries that once controlled all of entertainment and used that leverage for highly exploitative contracts are getting absolutely obliterated in music, animation, game development, etc.The story of the internet is the story of capitalism trying to jam its jewish hands into the productive interaction of free people, and free people slowly winning anyway. It's a success story and a beacon of hope. The problem is, it works the way it does because there's no capital barrier to entry. The old capital barrier (Intellectual Property) just got fucking destroyed and nothing could really maintain it effectively. So far we haven't been able to figure out how to do that quite as readily with shit like "money" or "real estate" though, so for most industries things move much more slowly. Granted it also helps quite a bit that information is superabundant, not scarce, so it's much easier to make all this work.
>>750252134Out of touch boomer
>>750265412Why adapt to something that's mathematically guaranteed to never ever be sustainable?The ai companies still haven't made a profit, and still have no plans to make a profitThe ai companies are still in immense debtThere is nothing for AI to learn from, everything has been scrapped by botsLearning "better" models require exponentially more data to train, and like previously, there's nothing left to learn off ofMore and more people are getting more aware that AI is the biggest fraud scheme in the history of mankind to make billionaires richer
>>750252134>where everyone can make games.>makes mario clone>NOT LIKE THAT
>>750252134I can't wait till every boomer is dead. Yes even the jap ones. They are a cancerous plague on the entire world. Every boomer deserves to die slow and painful while the world laughs at them and their selfishness.
>>750265640Open source AI is getting better by the day
>>750252134It's not just him being a boomer, why are Japanese people more supportive of ai compared to other demographics?
>>750265640Troll post ir serious?
>>750252879am making it :)
>>750259501yeah man unless you are a>game developer>writer>artist>translator>voice actor>programmerand everything else that is getting assfucked by AI
>>750265884Asia is big on AI. The whole continent.
>>750265857It isn't. Show me a single open source model today that meaningfully (I mean more than 1% on some singular test) outperforms an open source model from 4 years ago using the same number of parameters.
>>750265902Everything I've listed is a fact.Openai, anthropic, copilot, and every other genAI company are in billions in debt, with no way out.
>>750252554>defending random rich fucksLol.Carmack is the only intelligent person there and he's an animal abusing sociopath who would get his shit kicked in by me and undoubtedly many others on 4chan.
>watch any tech youtuber video about AI>each and every single one talks positively of it>even the harshest ones who complain about "AI Slop on Tik tok and youtube" always goes "i still think AI is good and it is the future" I guess the majority of people doesn't mind AI advancing this fast, huh?Guess only a tiny, very tiny minority hates AI, for whatever reason
>>750252134>>750252194>>750252554they don't look indian, i dont get it
>>750266013>frogposter: OMG ALL THE TIKTOK INFLUENCERS SAID IT'S GOODdead internet theory is real
>>750266013Why should I value the opinions of tech youtubers?
>>750266262Because they hold the most mainstream, important views? If they say something is bad, it is, no question, if they say it is good then it is very good for the future
>>750254202Supporting AI is the white man choice.
>>750252134artistic elitists in shamblesartsisters WILL get a real job and WILL contribute to society
>>750266356But I want what's bad for the future. Society sucks nowadays, anything that's good for the health of society is bad for me.
>>750252134>Anyone can cookI love the message of [insert Jewish movie based on Torah parable here]>Anyone can make gamesBUT NOT LIKE THAT STOOOOOOP!!!! I NEED TO BE THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN DO IT
>>750266436jews aren't white
>>750266556>Shigeru Miyamoto
>>750266675Also not white, what's your point.
>>750252134so what he's saying is that the future is roblox metaverse powered by AI where millions of kids will make their own stupid viral AI games/experiences and share them with friends and other anons. this kinda sucks for us oldfags, but it is what it is.
>>750265640Only OpenAI hasn't beem profitable.
>>750265984Copilot, Gemini and Meta are highly profitable
>>750266262They are the ones shaping public opinion on the matters
>>750252408Except the Luddites were 100% right. We're all just rats coping with our imprisonment. Video games are escapism because everything else was taken from us. If the Luddites had won, we'd all be procreating and taking care of our children instead of wasting our lives away on video games.
>>750267751They haven't shaped my opinion on any matters
>>750252554Noticed how none of these people are neither artists or game designers?
>>750252363got those trannies seething.
If video games start using AI, I'll just stop playing them.>b-but it's the future waaahYou can't FORCE people to buy your slop. Take my cash over my cold dead body.>b-but you're a LudditeGreat! Life was better before all of this trash anyway.
>>750252134Makes sense. A hack like him that never makes games himself but everyone makes stuff he asks would love AI.
>2 days ago Anthropic reports a net $80 billion loss for 2026.>Pro-AI "you can make your dream game! Just subscribe to the latest model!" threads on /v/ skyrocket.Hmm...
>>750268016Every game in the past 2-3 years uses AI in some way.
>>750268127Ah yes, masterpieces like uhhhhhh
>>750252134Miyamoto never cared about the artistic aspect of gaming to begin with, he only cared about how fun is it, so it make sense he don't give a shit about people using AI or not.
>>750268170Expedition 33 won GOTY awards. Crimson desert is well loved and came out this year. Deadlock which a lot of people love.
>>750268227Sorry, not interested in any of that. I'm glad you had fun with them though.
>>750267857Nigger logic
>>750258090Have you tried Onlyfans?
>>750268640Nigger logic
>>750259306>>750259501Now I know you guys ain't from around here when you aren't addressing the true elephant in the room as to why IQ has been going down.
AI isn't the future, AI is the present. All that these posts prove is that AI is too good at doing its job to the point of it causing problems to the average person. Instead of banning it, it should just be restricted. You don't see the average citizen carrying nukes around, not every technological advancement needs to be in the hands of every person.
>>750268736I don't see how. I'm not categorically different from anyone else; if my opinion isn't heavily influenced by some tech youtuber, why should anyone else's be? It seems to me, from observation, that the average person doesn't really agree with the sentiment that AI is good. Which would imply that their opinion is neither aligned with, nor influenced by, the average tech youtuber. I would also suggest that the average tech youtuber's "opinion" is probably for sale, and there are definitely some buyers in the market right now when it comes to AI positivity. So what I see is a paid shill trying and failing to drum up support for some slop that nobody wants.
>>750264532>the only thing holding the plebs back is ignorance, laziness and apathyIgnorance is you thinking that everybody gets born with the same hardware.
>>750261575If you can just hire some random guy to make amazing stuff then you should do that. Enjoy being rich.
>>750253379Those monkeys at least attempt to think for themselves, rather than just blindly believing whatever they're told.
>>750268127>>750268227No hablas ingles? Or are you forcing me to play low-quality slop from the past couple of years?>>750268854>if you don't play the slop we tell you to, you're an African-AmericanThis is the same board that complains about every new release?
>>750267557The only companies making money are the ones selling shovels for the gold rush (Nvidia and Micron)
>>750265640>The ai companies still haven't made a profitGo and ask Grok if they are worried about making profits at this stage, or if people who can breathe through their noses are capable of long term planning. Dumb yokels like you speaking with authority over topics you have absolutely no understanding of should be illegal.
>>750269607When does the "making profits" stage happen exactly, Shlomo? I'd really like a clear business plan before your trillion dollar IPO.
>>750267649>highly profitable
I am continously amazed how low IQ thirdies will spend months on 4chan going on about how AI is the magical solution to all the world's problems but will actively refuse to spend $20 to actually experience it themselves to realize it's not.
>>750269693You probably think billionaires actually have billions of dollars in their bank account as well, huh?
>>750254073>>750254139HOLY COPE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>750270017We've had this argument before. This is not a capex issue, inference is still not profitable and never has been, it's why all companies rate limit usage. They turn down paying customers because every new paying customer actually costs them money. The only money coming in is from investors, every new token generated by a paying user is a red line item on the balance sheet.
>>750269607>long term planningThey dont even have a plan! Their only hope is AGI, and that will never happen. Like the previous post says, all the information in the internet has been harvested, and training newer models require exponential data. AI has capped, only diminishing returns are what's left (look at ai video generation)
>>750269843AI is the biggest piracy software ever. This really is the only thing that matters for the average /g/ and /v/ anon. If it's not profitable in the long run well at least we can watch the shitshow.
>>750269843Not sure if this post is pro or anti AI considering you're saying people should pay for an AI service.
>>750252134>the senile retard is good now because it furthers my narrative
>>750270119>The only money coming in is from investors, every new token generated by a paying user is a red line item on the balance sheet.So companies are making a sacrifice for people to use their product?How nice of them.
>>750270250>AI is the biggest piracy software ever.This is magical thinking.Again actually try the things you think they've made available. The photoshop clone for instance is a pure scam and anyone can tell within five minutes of using it.>>750270315It's pro-reality. The average AI poster on here is not living with any relation to it and has no actual understanding of what AI right now can realistically do, what's viable for anyone short of the AI companies themselves and what it actually means for anyone at all.It's all just magic to them. They'll look at some glue code using existing handwritten libraries and go "decomp!" meanwhile you go and look at it and it's literally using 5 year old code from an existing decomp project like OoT or Halo CE.
>>750268914You can't just chalk it up to brownoids. Even proper Americans are losing problem solving and comprehension skills. I graduated from high school over ten years ago now, (From a technical school in a white middle class community) and I was one of about 40 people in that whole graduating class, which was 90%+ white, who could actually read above a sixth grade level.Imagine how much worse it is now that students can just skip all the actual learning.
>>750270541Almost like AI is unsustainable and exists only to do financial fuckery
>>750270541The funniest part is seeing AI making all software free and making holes in the security of entire corparations. This doesn't seem like profits to me.
>>750252134Tendie here, what am I supposed to think now? AI good or not?
But we are not in that era. Has anybody released a game they made with AI and vibe coded that you would even spend a $1 on?
>>750270749GTA 6 is coming out soon
>>750252408I think people don't fully understand where the Luddites were coming from. The Luddites were pissed that the power was shifting from individual creatives to large corporations. It's only afterwards do people characterize them as "anti-technology", as they were more accurately described as "anti-corporation" and centralization of economic power via the use of mechanized technologies. Also, the quality of the textiles produced by the machinery was inferior. If we zoom to today, we can already see the exact same dilemma potentially play out. Sure "anyone" can make a game, but its far more likely the current extremely large and powerful corporations will use this technology to cut staff and shit out inferior products. The large corporations have the brands, and the scale, and the marketing to punch through the noise. There is going to be a sea of copycat, low budget games on steam, and an algorithm is going to create large parts of Call of Duty 57 and Asscreed 21.
I realized it was a scam when all the NFT and ""game devs"" like Tim Soret jumped on it.Dude's been scamming for his game for over 10 years now and it's totally AI that's going to make it for him lmao
>>750270813It's also not really comparable from a job-creation perspective because an LLM doesn't need the same scale of workers or maintainers than sewing machines do, it's fully automated outside of the prompt. There is no job creation going on.
>>750270541>So companies are making a sacrifice for people to use their product?New to hyperscaling? You don't have to make money, you have to corner the market and generate hype while paying yourself and your early investors in piles of stock. Then you make an IPO, cash out as a trillionaire, and let whoever buys the husk enshittify it in a desperate bid to scrape some actual value out of it while it slowly dies.
>>750252363>pro-AI>A non-existant utopia that AI companies keep shilling you and you eat it up because you worship billionaires and corporations because you think they have no interest in lying to you>anti-AI>Genuine concerns over the state of reality and the future
>>750270541Yeah! ... except people have to pay the bill.>The Federal Reserve, in an attempt to cull inflation, raised interest rates so less people borrow money. This worked for 99.9% of history every time inflation went up.>However a month after, inflation went up because AI companies have been borrowing MORE. If the government does notices and do something about this, they, the AI companies will continue to borrow and spend even more money without stopping and pass payment, via raising prices, to the customer.
>>750269843>low IQ thirdies>can't comprehend the passage of time Are you projecting? I said that because you don't understand that AI keeps improving. I explained this because I honestly think that you are retarded and wouldn't have gotten it otherwise.
>>750270894A broken clock is right twice a day. Trend-chasing NFT-bros were bound to follow something that'll catch on but they still don't understand where it should be used.
>>750271150$20 gives you access to the latest frontier models pojeetoid.You'd know this if you'd ever actually used one.
You will use AI or get left behind in the creative field. Its not just a matter of concept creation, it's faster at proofreading, at dividing content into smaller chunks, it automates so many features and save hours of time per day. Unless you genuinely enjoy the process of programming it's time to start learning, because this shit is never going away.
>>750271248>it's fast at outputting absolute shit
>>750270616>which was 90%+ whiteI don't believe you just for that alone
>>750252554It's a way to easily circumvent affirmative action and the communist culture killers of the last 15 years
>>750270813>that the power was shifting from individual creatives to large corporationsMecca Chameleon was made by two people. Two. E33 was made by roughly 30.
>>750270616Who said anything about brown people?
I honestly can't wait for post-IPO so they can jack the prices up several hundred dollars and all these third world retards can no longer afford it.
>>750270813A more recent example and more in tune with AI is CGI, at first it was used to create these impossible to produce effects. Nowadays most high budget films are high CGI usage, to the point that even "costume designer" is a job that will disappear. And most modern movies suck ass.AI is kinda like the fictional version of a global currency named "credits". Sounds good on paper until you realize the real life consequence of having all your money digitalized. A lot of science fiction is like that.
>>750271313Shit in, shit out. Its just a tool.
Why would I waste my time learning to draw/model, when I could just skip to the part where I start making the content I want with AI?Seems silly.
>>750271440Literally only capeshit and some scifi use cg in place of real costumes. And the biggest movies of this year were physical horrors. Its very easy to make a blanket statement like this, but it lacks the true nuance of the argument.
>>750252134This is why leftoids/artists/academics really detest AI. It’s basically the Prometheus/Tree of Knowledge that will give everyone their powers to influence people.
goes to show you how compromised this site is by anti-AI troons. Regular people like our based honorary Aryans have zero issue with it
>>750271393>Mecca Chameleon was made by two people. Two. E33 was made by roughly 30.So? The vast majority of the money is earned by a handful of companies. And now its quite easy to copy both of those games and shit out an inferior product, which dilutes the marketplace. AI might actually might be a disaster for smaller game creators, but big brands will not suffer. You will see a sea of cheap copies of Mecca Chameleon and E33, but there will only be one Call of Duty that people will actually put down money to buy.
>>750271573Stephen Molyneux-the most precious resource is simply power over other people
>>750271573Maybe it's because the most powerful supporters of AI are the legions of satan? >>750263862
>>750271573Artist commissions are dead.vTuber animators/riggers will be around for a while yet, but their time is coming.
>>750271626You imagine this fictional world in the past where creative individuals could exploit the systems of society to make tens of millions of dollars of their creative endeavour. That literally was NEVER a thing until the internet era, social media, personalized mass marketing.
>>750252554Stupid people use AI under the illusion that it makes them as good as the best. They accept its output uncritically because they have no frame of reference for what “good” looks like in what they are trying to do.Smart, skilled people use AI to do what they already know how to do and understand faster, correcting it where needed to produce what they would have produced on their own anyway.The narrative that the hard skills that underpin the people in latter case are obsolete is simply a marketing lie to extract money from the people in the former.It also doesn’t help that the stupid people are incredibly spiteful and think they are hot shit just because they can prompt a chatbot, as evidenced by every single AI thread on this board.
>>750254073Eurotranny cope for why they’re an irrelevant peninsula of Asia grows more hilarious by the day
Speaking as a 3D guy (for 3D printing admittedly but I am interested in game dev) NGL I like using AI as a tool for troubleshooting and assistance; I don't use it to create the actual product, I prefer to do that myself, but if I run into a problem I can ask "Hey, this is happening, what's going wrong?" or "I'm doing [X] this way, but is there a quicker way?".That said I have the sense to not necessarily take the robot's advice at face value and to cross-reference it with what I already know.IDK, there's a solid middle-ground between "AI is incredible and we should use it for everything" and "AI is the devil incarnate and if you have any use for it whatsoever you're subhuman". It has a way to go but it does have genuine practical applications.Plus, you know, it's not even all that new as tech goes- it's just machine learning and procedural generation tech, but highly developed. The concepts go back as far as computing has been around.
>>750271738>You imagine this fictional world in the past where creative individuals could exploit the systems of society to make tens of millions of dollars of their creative endeavour. That literally was NEVER a thing until the internet era, social media, personalized mass marketing.No, I'm simply pointing out that the Luddites' argument was more sophisticated than "technology bad". You are correct to point out that small projects made by small teams have done well in the recent decades, but I think AI is going to wipe those people out. It's going to wipe those people out, and the teams that make the huge games will be slowly hollowed out.
>>750252363>Everybody can make their dream games now! That's wonderful!Literally everyone in AI threads who isn't making a modification of an existing game is trying to make a game for money.
>>750253935Literally all advancements in computing tech have been leading up to AI. If you can’t see that you’re retarded or blind considering people in the 1950s already saw it as the ultimate trajectory of the computer.
Competency crisis was bad enough but this shit is going to accelerate it 100x. Do you really want to live in a world where 99% of the software and services you rely on every day were made by people who don't understand how the product even works? Would you buy a car made by a company that doesn't employ any engineers? >but AI hacked bing bing wahoo so I can play it on my PC! so zased...Yeah that's cool will you be equally excited when AI hacks the security software that your bank uses?
>>750252554>Why is it that EVERY extremely high-IQ person on the planet agrees that AI is amazing?It's a bunch of boomers who already got their bags and are easily fooled by low quality AI art. If everyone is a "creative" there is almost zero value in creation. We were already in a world were half the games coming out all looked the same because they all used UE5. It's going to get much worse.
>>750252408>muh Luddites every day we march on into this hellscape we call modernity the more and more they seem to have been correct
>>750268914its browns.
>>750270017I never understood this talking point.There will be news about a billionaire showing their wealth by buying a 500 million yacht for the second time or some other stupid shit. They obviously have the personal finances to spend LIKE a billionaire, but then faggots like that anon would go "ACTUALLY, THEY DON"T HVAE BILLIONS IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNT. CHECKMATE LIBTARD!" implying like the billionaire actually has a couple tens of thousands in their bank account. It's goycattle mentality, people like this should have their voting rights stripped immediately.
It's no surprise Miyamoto would be in favor of it. They've been wanting people to have a means of making their own shit since Mario Paint
>>750271626>AI might actually might be a disaster for smaller game creators, but big brands will not suffer>You will see a sea of cheap copies of Mecca ChameleonThis. It'll be easier to make noise, but harder for people to notice the noise you're making. Even worse because marketing wise, you will not be able to post logs about the gameplay features, story, music, and artstyle. By the time you're 60% done someone will just slopily make a clone and flood the market if you allow them too. Might have to return to old-WoW teasers and shadow drop vidya.Not to mention the constant thought of having to choose between spamming vidya to gamble on making something semi-successful or going out of your way to make something good that might be drowned in a sea of spam.>>750272031Bro, last month the US almost started a conflict with China due to a hallucination whilst the FBI got breached, in the span of less than a week.
>>750263920can you make it make a good comic that looks good too
>>7502721801% of billionaires pay 44% of all taxes.
>>750258851The anti nuclear movement was similar and also propped up by commies who promoted anti-nuke sentiment in the west while promoting the shit out of it in their own countries because they knew it was powerful.
>>750272249>1% of billionaires pay 44% of all taxes.They also have 75% of the wealth.
>>750272231I bet China also solved Cancer today as well.Tell me more about China and how great it is.
>>750272180An addendum to your post>having 100 mil into savings/bonds/whatever has a ROI, even 4% yearly has returns in the order of 10k daily
>>750272302Seems hypocritical to say everyone should be allowed to be a billionaire when you don't think everyone should be allowed to be an artist, eh?
>>750272387>Seems hypocritical to say everyone should be allowed to be a billionaire when you don't think everyone should be allowed to be an artist, eh?I'm not the dude you were talking with.
>>750272249kys please
>>750252134>mega tech corpo guy is optimistic about SIwowowowow>>750252408>They didn't even bother to pretend they cared about ((society))shalom
>>750272313...what?
>>750272470You didn't answer my question.Take responsibility.
>>750263862Commies:>Billionaires are parasites holding back progress for their own gain. If we had communism, we would be super scientifically advanced n shiet since we wouldn’t care about profit.Billionaires:>Launch rockets into space and shit for no profit motive, create unprofitable new technologies like AI just for the love of the gameCommies:>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST HECKING DO THAT. WE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO ADVANCE SOCIETY FOR NO MONETARY GAIN OR PROFIT FUCK SCIENCE AND ADVANCEMENT N SHIET
>>750269843That ex-twitter goon Nikita Bier said that he has access to a lot of data on people, and he said that most people are not interested in creating at all, so no matter what tools they have access to, they wont make shit.Which raises the question why these same people are shilling for whatever creative technology?
>>750272601Alright you went too far, this bait is no good anymore. This is also probably just a bot anyway.
>>750272601>you're either a billionaire cockslurper or a commiele based Elon am I right sar
>>750272031>Yeah that's cool will you be equally excited when AI hacks the security software that your bank uses?Didn't something like that happened this week? I'm pretty sure I saw something about this on /g/.
>>750270315I am also convinced that anybody who makes arguments for it should put their money where their mouth is and start creating with AI.Waxing on about the benefits on various online platforms without any actual involvement in it is beyond pathetic.Its like they want all creatives to swap over to it to prove them right and they get offended when said creatives stick to their guns.
>>750272710>>750272601Its still funny commies are Anti-AI when they themselves would benefit the most with AI.
>>750258396And whatever time you spent learning all that would have been a complete waste of you didn’t make a successful product by this point because now you have a tool that can do it all better than any faggot artist or code monkey ever could have. Stay seething you dumb nigger. At a certain point your skills and knowledge are just gonna be a hang up preventing you from letting AI do what it’s better at.By the way there’s a whole slew of studios comprised of “talented artists and developers” sucking down generous paychecks and they routinely pump out dogshit financial flops because not a single god damn person working or managing the product has a sense of what makes a game actually fun to play.
>>750272031>Do you really want to live in a world where 99% of the software and services you rely on every day were made by people who don't understand how the product even works?wow, so nothing changes
when you see someone using the word luddite or defending ai slop remember you're responding to a shitskin living in a slum
>>750272863It’s ironic af and mostly the fruit of the new school western commies (AKA artists, faggots, and HR bitches) because old school commies would have fucking orgasmed at the thought of an aritifical intelligence that can plan their economy and shit. It’s why eastern commies like the Chinks are so into AI.
>>750272947Okay so where is your game? No, I’ll do you one better, where is ONE (1) thing you have made?
>>750272806an insane amount of cyberattacks started recently and most people arent even aware of it.a lot of online security hinges on it being too much of a chore to do manually.well they just invented the automatic exploit searcher who never sleeps and never gets bored. and you can order gorillions of them from the epic data centers that are being erected everywhere for cheap.
>>750273079>country populated by nigger loving mutts and confused faggots has bad take, more at 11
>>750272249>1% of billionaires pay 44% of all taxes.Fucking retard. It's 1% of the POPULATION that pay 44%.There's only 1000 billionaires in America, and billionaires specifically pay far far less in taxes relatively (emphasis on relatively). As an example, social security taxes are capped, for no reason. The lowest person in the top 1% is literally nothing compared to the wealth of a billionaire.Billionaires go so so so so much richer after 2020, that it's no longer the 1% that are the problem, now it's more like 0.001% of the top earners that are the issue.
>>750270541yeah its super nice and they absolutely have no ulterior motives.
>>750271952You still have to sell a product to people. You know why most shit doesn't sell? Bad inhuman marketing. AI can't fix a person's inability to understand people. That will be the advantage. The ability to influence people.
>>750272057>If everyone is a "creative" there is almost zero value in creationPutting aside>Twitternigger Dragonball reactionCreation itself isn't valuable. It's what the process of creation produces that is valuable, and even then that value is massively subjective. There are works of "art" that sell for millions that personally I wouldn't even befoul my anus with as toilet paper.AI will enable more people to create stuff, even if its involvement is as minor as "Hey Mr. Robot, what ratio of thinner should I use for my oil paint for a glaze?". 99% of it will be shit but 99% of creative output was shit long before AI. The ratio of pure slop to actually good stuff is unlikely to change, there's just going to be more stuff in general, good and bad.
>>750273141You have no clue what you're talking about, and the ddos in your pic is from fucking 2022, lol.
>>750273141I'm honestly surprised people aren't destroying AI data centers yet if it's creating all this chaos.
>>750252554They see bigger picture than their paychecks. Being secure in finance allows for extrapolation without quandry. In 300 years, how will this argument be framed, historically? Because everyone will have a personalized ai companion atp.
>>750273225>”nigger-loving mutt” opinion bad>literal nigger opinion goodAbout what I would expect from an AI cocksucker
>>750272180they arent buying those with cash.
>>750259306Part of the solution is to ban India from the rest of the internet but I guess were just not ready to have that conversation seriously yet.
>>750273320Who fucking cares nigger kys now
>>750273229Kek commies spout this shit until they get elected, then the group of people it’s acceptable to tax gets expanded when they realize they can’t fund their commie programs by taxing billionaires alone.
>>750273139>show me your ideaLmao no retardGo ahead though and feel free to show the class the grand sum of all your technical skill. Let’s see that breakout hit you poured your heart and soul into. You have finished your game right? It sure would suck when someone comes up with your idea but slightly better and they produce it in a fraction of the time it took you to make a broken piece of shit.
>>750270017Goycattle say shit like this, and then a billionaire would go "yeah, I'm a billionaire and I spend like one too teehee :3"
>>750273275nice try jeet>>750273297you cannot just get rid of all data centers they are used for infinite amounts of services. your bank, hospital and supply chain for stores runs over them too.
>>750273079you spend most of your time complaining about the latte sipping californian sojacks and now you tell us their opinion is relevant?>>750273141yes, better if the 20 year old exploits weren't caught and be left as zero days for glowies. afterall, how LPL dare show how to pick a masterlock on youtube, it was so safe before that happened.
>>750273236Yes anon everything is a conspiracy.Like corn syrup.
>>750273225why yes, nigeria, vietnam, india and brazil.those are the thinkers in the world.
>>750273257>AI will enable more people to create stuff, even if its involvement is as minor as "Hey Mr. Robot, what ratio of thinner should I use for my oil paint for a glaze?". 99% of it will be shit but 99% of creative output was shit long before AI. The ratio of pure slop to actually good stuff is unlikely to change, there's just going to be more stuff in general, good and bad.AI is going to enable people to copy an entire game from little more than a prompt. If that is true, then the value of any created product drops tremendously, especially small projects created by a handful of people with no marketing budget. In fact, we are already starting to see this play out right now. I think you are completely wrong about the scale of this. Yes, low quality slop has always existed, but it still required human labor to slop together. Now, a thousand slop creations can be made in minutes at the press of a button. All games will have their hundreds of cheap copies, and the little guys will suffer.Gun and ball games made by huge studios will not suffer. They will always be pushed to basketball Americans by R&B stars through huge marketing campaigns.
>>750259306>Kids aren't learning jack shit because they're just having AI models do the work for them, and every lunatic at the top of the industry is talking about this problem as if it's a fact of life we'll have to live with forever.It's insane to me that none of the AI bigwigs even acknowledge the ethical concerns around the damage they've done the education system. They all went to top universities and now they're gleefully pulling the ladder up with them.
>>750273483You don’t have a single thing that is already finished? You only have one idea? Why isn’t your idea ready yet? It should be production ready by now, shouldn’t it? What’s the hold up?
>>750273570>better if the 20 year old exploits weren't caught and be left as zero days for glowiesyes absolutely.
>>750253753Yes, yes (you) are.
>>750273427I care, because you were wrong.
>>750273610beyond brown.
>>750252408>Literally exactly what the luddites whined aboutNo it isn't, the Luddites feared it would lead to a consolidation of corporate power and wealth and oh look at that they were right. And oh look again they're even more right about AI.>"Number one: In 1945, corporations paid 50 percent of federal taxes. Now they pay about 5 percent. Number two: in 1900, 90 percent of Americans were self-employed; now it's about two percent.">JC Denton : "So?">"It's called consolidation. Strengthen governments and corporations, weaken individuals. With taxes, this can be done imperceptibly over time."Retarded motherfuckers fall for the same shit over and over.
>>750273561I said AI data centers though.
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>>750273714afaik the majority of them are mixed use.
>>750273635>It's insane to me that none of the AI bigwigs even acknowledge the ethical concerns around the damage they've done the education system.These same dudes, who massively profited off cell phones to the masses, do not let their kids have phones or put huge restrictions on them.
>>750252931why did he never care for video games
>>750273483This post perfectly encapsulates why nobody cares about the internet>misconstruing the original post ("show me something you've made" vs "you said and I quote "show me your idea"")>pointless debate ("Lmao no retard")>overtly aggressive (the rest of your post)Anon, I'm not the one you replied, nor am I part of the discussion chain, but why do you care THIS much? I'm genuinely curious. Because the only answers I can come up on your are "I just wanna be right and others wrong nyeh :3" and "I have money ready for the IPO". Nothing else, so why?In case this is not obvious enough I'm actually trying to engage with you.
>>750273658NSA you're supposed to browse /pol/, not /v/>>750273713yeah, the absolute monarchies of the time and fascist and communist dictatorships of 20th century had no power whatsoever, it was the little guy who was truly in charge unlike today where you as an individual don't have the most opportunities in history.
>>750252134Miyamoto hasn't designed a game in decades. Even his magnum opus that he self proclaimed to be a designer of, DK, was made by Ikegami including the game design. Yokoi had to knock sense into him for Mario Bros and stick to the jumping formula. In SMB for the Famicom, Tezuka did all the fucking work and had to convince him that turning Mario into a side scrolling shooter wasn't a good idea. This man has had no real input in game design yet we are all playing this game of telephone where he still is. Why are we still doing this? He's the literal creator of the characters not the game design. He's like Naoto Oshima for Sonic
>>750252554Add Richard Garriott (Father of RPGs. Created Ultima which directly inspired the JRPG genre and Western RPGs like TES)
>>750273951>miyamoto endorsed AI?!>...>h-he has never made a videogame, h-he suckskekluddites seethe and die
>>750273635lmao these california tech corps select for the biggest sociopaths.someone pointed out that even drug barons and mafiosos would donate a church or a park to a city to keep up appearances and soothe the population.here its rootless faggots directly telling you that what they want will be hell for you.you wont ever see a medici family come out of these milieus. probably exactly because they are rootless and have no loyalty to anybody, especially not you.
>>750273940>fascist and communist dictatorships of 20th centuryIn... America? The United States? Wtf are you talking about?
>>750274064oh, AI is just an american thing, nevermind.
>>750252554Okamoto literally ripped off an old Capcom game for the Gameboy to make monster strike and the Japanese users replying are always indians larping as japanese using ai to translate their posts. Just FYI
Are any of these AI games actually good though? It's always the amount of games made but nothing about it's actual quality.
>>750274167>it'sWhy do 100% of luddites have a sub-80 IQ and mix up basic things like its/it's? kek
>>750252791japan is a shithole but south america isn't?
>>750274167No, and if you ask they will call you a tranny.
>>750274167e33 isn't quality?
>>750274167No, they’re shit. Everyone keeps saying “oh AI will allow people who can’t make games to make games” no, it will allow people to make something that LOOKS like a game and “seems” like a game but when you actually engage with it it’s shit
>>750273635It makes sense to not acknowledge or say that it's helpful in education if one of the goals is offer "intelligence as a subscription".
>>750252134oh wow, a creator understand that lowering unnecessary bureaucracy of skill checking makes for stronger and diverse ideas and freedom.Its almost like trannies only wanted to hog the attention by gatekeeping.
>>750274004Thank you for proving my point
>>750274410learning how to read is actually just a ploy to make you buy books and learning math is a ploy to make you buy calculators
>>750273713>the Luddites feared it would lead to a consolidation of corporate poweryes, pretty sure they had modern understanding of internet socialism and whining about capitalism lmao.
>>750274167GTA6 is 100% using some form of AI so yes.
>>750252134Based Miyamoto.
>>750274414>GatekeepingWhy is it that chuds are against gatekeeping now? I thought you were supposed to be giga chads.
>>750274167you can now create those fake games they show running on TVs in TV shows.
>>750274167The AI games are all made by "Ideas guy" techbros. It's all unoriginal slop.
>>750274602>GTA6Ehhhh, it had a strong start but past the middle point cracks started to show not to mention the god awful ending. What was rockstar thinking man?
>>750274414>gatekeepingSeething brownoid detected. Everything related to game development is the least gatekept shit in the world. Unlimited free resources to learn. Like all AI enthusiasts you have zero skills and the only thing that has ever gatekept you was your refusal to put in the effort. Which is why you all are so hatefully gleeful at the prospect of AI because you think it gives you those skills for free, while someone who really has them can make better use of AI to run circles around you still.
>>750274589>yes, pretty sure they had modern understanding of internet socialism and whining about capitalism lmao.You can just go read about them you know? Does it hurt to know that british peasants were more educated and intelligent than you?
>>750252134>Shigeru Miyamoto Endorses AI Game DevThat's not what he is actually saying.
I have to disagree with Miyamoto here.He probably sees it as a lowered barrier easy entry point into making games, but I think it will have the opposite effect, where it sets people up to have wrong expectations.You can prompt past an absolute beginners skill level instantly but when it comes to creating something actually good and cohesive with it you end up with a lack of overall control and fine tuning. At that point you have to take a step back and actually start working from scratch and build up your fundamentals.That kind of whiplash is bound to scare people away. Or even worse, they work themselves deeper into prompt only game making and never actually create something good with it.
>>750273610Corn syrup is objectively a “conspiracy”. The government subsidizes corn growth to prop up US domestic agriculture as a matter of national security (don’t want to be dependent on imports for basic food needs in a crisis) so capitalists figure out ways to force it to be shit it’s not because it’s artificially cheaper to use corn than a better input. Not all conspiratorial thinking is “lizardmen put chemtrails in the drinking water to sterilize your testicles”
>>750273635The system that makes people go into debt for millions is now complaining about "ethical concerns" and "sociopaths"? You're being paid millions for this, you can figure this one out.
>>750274602Do you have autism?
>>750273079>No China
>>750252134Mistranslating and cherry picking doesn't help when he says human creativity exceeds AI
>>750274215"It's" is correct there. Because IT'S a contraction of "it is."
>>750276425>but nothing about it's actual quality.back to india, saar
>>750252363I'm glad that anons are finally starting to learn about the actual historical context of the word luddite, and not just a word that means "tech = bad!".
>>750275410Less conspiracy and more using resources properly because we have too much fucking corn and it'd be stupid just to let food go to waste.
>>750276781Corn Syrup and Corn Ethanol are both highly subsidized products that make high fructose varieties of corn more profitable than they'd otherwise be. No one actually wants Ethanol in the gasoline, it doesn't reduce emissions by much, and it's extremely hard on the equipment we use to make and transport fuel, as well as on the engines that use it. But there's an entire subset of farmers who grow nothing but corn for ethanol, who'd be completely fucked to the point of bankruptcy before they could pivot to another crop, so the subsidies have to stay.
>>750259190Ok post your "AI assisted" project.
>>750276689You don't even need to go that far back:>using asbestos for insulation>leaded gasoline>doctors paid to promote smokingBeing skeptical about any kind of fast integration should be common sense...
>>750252134there are some non artistic purposes i don't mind AI automating, though when i think about it, it usually pertains to large-scale games like MMOs>Okay we finished modeling this whole ass continent>A.I. please appropriately apply collision detection to all the geometry>Alright the new armor is looking good>A.I. please appropriately scale all the armor models to fit 80 of the playable races (the last 7 are beast races, we'll have to make a few bespoke adjustments there)>Okay we made a nice, handcrafted wall texture for this dungeon with cool bump mapping and everything, A.I., please apply it to all the inward-facing walls for the designated rooms
>>750280185good thing you have zero say on anything and game devs will continue to use AI for everything
>>750280250well seeing as the companies making the most heinous shit in recent history are shutting down (Bioware), perhaps there is nowhere to go but up :)
AI might not be that bad after all.
>>750268947>this is popular phenomenon>but this doesn't happen to meThat's nigger logic retard. It's like those niggers denying per capita.
>>750276397Says the nigga who doesn't even know how his medicine and the food he heats was made of
>>750253015Sneed
>>750264312>>What a technology promises or enables is largely tied to the social context of who owns and controls it.Then you control it idiot, buy a graphics card lmfao?
>>750284712If companies had their way you would never be able to find those things out. That is the fucking point being made. Hello????
>>750286714this... just buy!
>>750284862all the strawmen guys are right except for the last one which is not something any of them would ever come close to saying.they arent sending their best.
