>doesn't try to fuck the consumer in the ass at every conceivable opportunity Why are they like this
Benevolent dictator.
>>750254574can't do better than that, tbqh. a man with total power and authority, using it for *my* benefit? say no more.
>>750254450Valve is smart enough to realize their pro-consumer attitude (compared to the rest of the industry) is what keeps them alive. If they started dicking over consumers to the point of open grumbling, there's 20 million companies at the ready to try and replace Steam.
What's with OPs making completely wrong statements to farm (You)s lately? Did your mommy and daddy not give you enough attention as a kid?
remember when they "improved" csgo by forcing and update that fucked up your framerate and removed half the maps and game modes?
>>750254760Shartifact fans having a meltdown over 20 dollars meanwhile an average TF2, CS or Dota enjoyer got their wallet thinned out in thousands via gambling baka, grow up kid
>>750254621Damn, some people have really low standards. Then again, they might not be able to think about the long term consequences and only wish for instant gratification
>>750254797>aquajeet
The craziest shit is how they made the goyim actually believe this. Insane.
>>750254813Look it sucks that Valve kinda forced us to betatest the game for 3 years but it's more than fine now and clearly CSGO needed a graphical and engine upgrade at some point.
>>750254797>aquaryan
>>750254987they never brought back domination mode or danger zone fucking niggers don't care about us
>>750254450They are a private company, they do not have a legal obligation towards shareholders to maximize profits and thus they don't need to constantly do retarded short-term scams to drive up the numbers for their quarterly reports.
>>750254850I earned a few thousand from CS skins without even trying. Just discovered that my skins from 2014-2015 were worth a fuck ton of money now.
>>750255008I hate that we got gamemodes removed but sadly I doubt Danger zone is coming back as the mode felt ridiculously unpopular for how much effort was put into it. It's a shame as well as it was one of the best battle royales that didn't force kernel shit
>>750254813CS2 is compleyely full of cheaters and bots. They don't even care about hiding. There are guys from Russia on YouTube giving tours of giant bot farms. One farm operates more than 100k bots. So when you look at the /v/-famous Steam charts, that's where the player count comes from.Recently Valve legally went after a cheat dev in Russia. Do you know which one? They went after the fucking (fully client-side) skin changer "cheat". That was their priority. Changing a texture on a gun. That's what they're worried about.More recently Valve started VAC banning but the cheaters are already back. The ban wave was just a psyop so all the Valve shills can make videos and shit like "OMG heckin based Valve finally fixed CS2 cheaters BTFO". I don't think it even last a week. Pure psyop.Finally the chicken update. What was Valve's response to farming bots in every fucking game? Guilt trip legit players with a cute chick so they pick feed drops and sacrifice stuff with value. Genius.
>>750254450They don’t answer to Jewish shareholders
>>750255198It stopped being fun when I realized it was the mode cheaters played to blatant wallhack in and never get banned
>>750255224Why are they so protective of their gambling shit when they literally have a monopoly on pc gaming ?It makes no sense
>>750254450Private company
15 years of refunding games I didn't end up liking, and they've never once giving me any gruff over it.
>>750254450remember when they introduced paid mods and nobody liked it so they removed it
>>750255272Their return policy is worse than any brick and mortar retailer anon
Offer good service and the people will prefer you.
>>750254450>Why are they like thisThey arent public is why. They dont have a room full of jew investors telling them to make their product worse for more short-term profit to pump n dump.
>>750255306>Introduced too much effort required to cut down on fraud and infighting>Needing to work closely with Bethesda and run their decisions past themI'm leaning towards the second one being the sticking point.
>>750255364Is there a reason Epic refuses to do this, instead of just giving away shovelware games, or games people bought like 5~10 years ago?
>>750254574This. Everything was better when everything was worse.
>>750254450cool it with the revisionism anon
>>750254450cuz they're busy fucking developers up the ass with the 30% cut>inb4 NOO THEY EARNED ITthey really didn't. steam is the best storefront but 30% is simply too much
the most innovative consumer sodomizing corpo of all time.
>>750255470Difference in ideology.Epic doesn't believe in transparency and customer rights, they are trying to pander to publishers.That's why they don't allow user reviews or information about concurrent players.But it's a good store, got the tomb raider, batman and borderlands games for free so I won't complain.But won't pretend that it's good either even if their recent beta client is much faster.
>>750254450because they are privately owned and can do that.
>>750254760>>750254574>>750254450do you have brain damage that you forgot about this and loot boxes ?
>>750255624I don't. I simply know they didn't even invent loot boxes, and you are a retarded casual cunt who doesn't know shit about the history of the hobby you pretend to be into.
>>750255546>NOO THINK ABOUT THE BILLION DOLLAR PUBLISHERS
>>750254910>>750254993do not redeem!
>>750255567>cropping out the post number/datebizarre and suspicious
>>750254760This was a very pro-consume move.Killing a trash game that nobody wanted was good.
It really sucks that gabe was lying about being a gamer this whole time and just wanted a boat
>>750255325What the fuck are you talking about? Games (and music, and most physical media) are exempt from standard refund policy once opened in most brick and mortar stores.
>>750255772>just wanted a boathey he also wants to put chips in your brain
>>750255470Competing with Valve on service is a lost cause, because trying to do exactly what Valve is doing is already inherently untrustworthy and annoying.Valve gets away with it because they solved all of the 2000s publishers being complete ass at actually selling you games with no hassle, so anyone trying to do the same thing now is just making everything worse unless they stick with it through years of teething pains.Trying to actually compete on service lands you with GOG and Itch's profit margins.
>>750255952How long has he been part of the committee of 300?
>>750255683Seriously. Indie guys are probably happy they can just publish virtually whatever on Steam and who gives a fuck how much publishers make? This argument was so retarded and only shilled by Timmy of Epic.
>>750256007we love GOG they deserve the glazing that valve gets
>>750256030founder
>>750256035Eric Barone became a multi millionaire philanthropist because of Steam.
>>750256035
>>750256007Also why compete with a store front that has had dedicated users for over 20 years. People aren't just going to give up their Steam accounts now. No sense in even trying to compete.
>>750254574They call that a King. Perhaps evem Emperor.
>>750256130That dev who never finished a single game? His words must be true
>>750254760They did their market research Heartstone was becoming shit and the trouble of re engaging the audience was never sold.
>>750256076Damn I can't believe the jews were this far ahead
Are we forgetting that Valve is a developer too? They've made some of the best video games of all time that have insane levels of player retention. By any metrics a game like TF2 shouldn't have the player base it still does, it was just one small part of The Orange Box originally. No other developer is pulling shit like that off.
>>750255224You know that is a lie when Valve isnt afraid to nuke the CS skin market .
>>750256192according to Valve internal emails, yes his words are true.
>>750256192
>>750256341>>750256274Oh my gosh... these poor devs... Well anyways, when is the next Steam sale?
>>750255546Developers should grovel having access to the only market that has succeeded through good will. You can lanuch games with no publishers involved. Those who do can get fucked that their marketing is redundent. All these other companies bitching while holding their own slice of oligarchy power is hillarious.
>>750256384i accept your concession in utter defeat
>>750254450Could be that because they're a private company, that they actually use their own products.
>>750256431No one is buying these shitty slop games if they aren't on Steam. They should be kneeling at Gabens feet begging him to get the free advertising that a game being on Steam inherently gets.
>>750256437
>>750254796You could easily see them forgetting that once Gabe dies and his son or someone takes over though. These sorts of ideos are very dependant on personality.Look what happened to Wendy's. Nobody ever beats mcdonald's, but they were still sitting pretty at an easy #2 for a long time. Got greedy with a new CEO, and here we are now with them closing 300 locations and still going.
>>750255260They make billions from gambling
>>750254450They did multiple times. The ability to refund was forced on them by the EU when they tried to buttfuck their citizens with their retarded TOS.
>>750256396>You can lanuch games with no publishers involvedValve delivers software and has it's own terms of publishing so they are in fact publishers.
>>750256479no you dont need to concede anymore.you were completely destroyed by facts.you can scurry away now.
>>750256504Shit nigger, get it together
Only retarded contrarians and holier-than-thou SJWs are against Steam. This is a simple fact.
>>750256695Nah, there's a fair amount of subversive rent-a-shittalkers mixed in there too, as you always see in threads like this one.
>>750254869What are some of these long term consequences you speak of?I'll wait.
>>750256695True. Glory to yacht man, his underage gambling business and 30%. Shame he couldn't pull of paid modding. Maybe next time.
>>750256695Valve should sell all their non-MTX oriented games on GoG and then shut down TF2, DotA 2 and CS2.Then we talk.
>>750256606i mean if this image was true nobody would be using the fucking thing
>>750256824>retarded contrarianGreat example here. Parroting factoids and disinfo because he has nothing better to do. Weak.>>750256865No one cares about GoG.
>>750255272>15 years of refunding gamesSteam had a no-refunds policy until 11 years ago.They only changed after EA... whatever the EA store was called at the time offered a 7 day / 24 hours (after first launching the game) refund policy and was getting good press for it.
>>750256943>disinfoholy moly drone
>>750255470Because they want to kick everyone else out of the market so you have no choice but to give them money. So in their eyes, appealing to consumers is a waste of time because they'll get them anyways.
>>750256979Go back to SA, tranny
>>750256818Unforseen consequences
>>750254450They already fucked you in the ass when Half-Life 2 required Steam to play at all. By now you've been fucked in the ass so hard and often that you no longer even feel it. Some even claim to like it.
>>750256979>NOO DON'T CALL ME OUTGet a hobby, you sad sack of shit.
>>750257169Literally says on the bottom that 30% is the industry standard. Timmy tried to take a lower cut and he lost hundreds of millions of dollars.
>>750257217This, and any AAA game only has to accept a 20% tax, as it's virtually impossible to not gain 50 millions as a big studio unless it's a Concord-tier disaster. And you have to keep in mind that going through Steam means not having to pay physical retailers and transportation and manufacturing which all cost way more, and Steam doesn't have a time limit, they'll host your games forever and personally suffer the infrastructure continuous cost.
Reminder that 30% only became a problem when Timmy started crying about Steam using it (again, industry standard rate) only to bring attention to his shitty store using a lower rate and it got picked up by game journos and industry kikes begging people to care about the heccin wholesome innocent game deverinos
>>750256870there would be no need for so much propaganda and psychologists and price parity coercion if they simply provided real value to their customers and business partners.
>>750254450>Why are they like thisvalve is run by white people not jews
>>750257217google dumb AI's just repeats what reddit propagadists say even when it undermines themselves....the industry standard is 15% as applied by the 2 largest revenue/userbase stores: google play and apple appstore
>>750257709Gabe Newell is Jewish.
>>750256606>Steam infrastructure>no need to make and manage your own store or website>lots of marketing and exposure>easy gamepad support>remote play can even allow playing local multiplayer titles with steam friends>easy mod support through the steam workshop>discussion forums and public annoucements & patch notes for your game are part of steam by default>early access is even way too generous for indie devs as it means you don't need to make a full game before selling it>dedicated event for sharing demos and previews for your games>nothing
>>750257637They manage to deceive goys into thinking that they are wholesome big chungus company by releasing fake valve employee handguide.I find it to be more impressive than descipable at this point. Are they truly good at their job? Or goyim truly deserve it.
>>750257813PFFFFFFHAHAHAHAHAHANo, he isn't. Why would kikes want to take down one of their own?
>>750257730>when you're so desperate you need to pretend anyone cares about the android slop store and ESPECIALLY the apple slop store
>>750257979Israel's most popular passtime is to argue which jews are less brown than the other jews.
>>750257857>Steam infrastructuresame as any other store/personal website but with more downtime and higher fees>no need to make and manage your own store or websitesame as any other store but with more downtime and higher fees and more complicated backend to parse because they refuse to streamline the developer publishing process>lots of marketing and exposuresame amount as any other store (absolutely zero prior to the developer priming the pump with a successful campaign)>easy gamepad supportimagine giving points to a store for something your OS does>remote play can even allow playing local multiplayer titles with steam friendssteamies burnt stadia and other game streaming services to death so that steam could claim this not quite as good version of it as a W>easy mod support through the steam workshopironic W request when the people who make mods absolutely hates steam>discussion forums and public annoucements & patch notes for your game are part of steam by defaultsame as any other store/personal website but with more downtime and higher fees>early access is even way too generous for indie devs as it means you don't need to make a full game before selling itsteam pushed early access on indies and then steamies shit on indies for doing early access, being used as guinea pigs is a definition of "generous" i dont agree with>dedicated event for sharing demos and previews for your gamesyeah but then you have to sell them on steam
>>750256164most kings or emperors were malicious
>>750257979>No, he isn't.big if true. where's your proof the billionaire merchant isn't Jewish.
>>750258310Okay kike.>>750258372Why do you keep screaming that a white American man is actually one of your own, big nose man?
>>750258496indian coded post
>>750258540But I'm not a Epic Gay Store shillPajeets are the ones who run around calling people "steamies"
>>750254450>fought against refunds until they were forced to implement them (GOG still has a more generous refund policy btw)>fought against attempts to allow you to resell your games>heavily contributed to the popularization of lootboxes and battle passes>gambling>DRMs>most of their F2P games have ridiculously greedy monetization schemes >stopped doing flash sales and offering discount coupons during the Steam Sales>constantly fucks over VNs and adult games' developers for arbitrary reasonst-thanks valve...
>>750258647suuuuuuurely indian outsourced propagandists and billionaire worshippers are extremely picky about which one they shill for
>>750256113I can never see this image without the Jas edit.
>>750258858>constantly fucks over VNs and adult games' developers for arbitrary reasonsto be completely fair that's because Gabe handed over content moderation to the banks, he definitely shouldn't be held responsible for being a censor, he just doesn't care if banks deplatform devs and assists them in doing so
>>750258858none of those are bad things, eyeballtank
>>750259038Even Gabe would get his hentai through JP sites not through Steam you have to be a fucking dumb ass westerner to make those mistakes.
>>750259047this you?
>>750254450Turns out serving the consumer and trying to provide the best experience for them instead of milking them for every penny they're worth for investors and suits makes consumers trust you and throw more money at you. Who'd have thunk it.
>>750258858Okay? I don't see how something that happened like a decade ago matters when now Steam and GoG have a better refund policy than some of the competition.Why would I EVER want to sell my games, console poorfag? Thanks for going mask off.Glad that you finally dropped the retard argument about him inventing lootboxes and can only meekly peep that he "popularized it" when big eastern MMO's were doing gacha gambling long before steamDon't use Steam as a gambling platformSteam DRM is notoriously light and easy to crack, dozens of sites post games freshly ripped from Steam no issueExplain what is "greedy" about TF2 or Counter Strike that can be played for hundreds of hours without paying a cent WhateverImagine buying crappy porno on a mainstream normie platform instead of pirating it like a normal whiteAnything else?>>750258863Timmy openly admitted that he considers astroturfing a good thing.>>750259093You still post this incorrect image? Guess you're not as smart as the previous guy.
>>750259205>Timmy openly admitted that he considers astroturfing a good thing.so Steam paying you to astroturf is a good thing because Timmy said so?
>daily very organic Valve hate thread #1784do they pay you in rupees or store credit?
>>750259407Paying? Why is being satisfied with a service you use daily such a insane concept to indians?
>>750259423they get paid by shareholders for now but they will go the way of bioware soon enough
I'll uninstall steam when theres a better storeuntil then, stay mad anti valve shills
>>750254450Reminder it was valves idea to start paying for mods.
>>750255664kekkeep malding faggot
>>750259508not a believable cover.because literally no one is defending stores honor for free.
>>750255624How does Artifact and loot boxes impact me in any way?
>>750259649Reminder that Valve backed out of it quickly but Bethesda continues to insist on paid mods to this day.>>750259786>N-NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY MEAN THINGS TO ME WHILE I CRY ABOUT VALVE!!!If you want to bitch and moan about gabe and "steamies" while being unopposed, stay on the India Gaming subreddit.
>>750254450Do nothing and winHL2 was their last good game
>>750259621Pirate everything
>>750259038Steam has been messing with these developers since way before the drama with the payment processors. It's not the fault of the banks if Valve initially banned Chaos;Head NoAH from their store, a game that was sold on every other console and in physical stores...
>>750259649>valve: money could be a good incentive to get people to create new and better mods>everyone: we hate that idea>valve: okay, we won't do it thenWow, Valve, how evil.
>>750260061Banks and karens proved valve was right in trying to be cautious. Notice how valve was the only one attacked by them, not any consoles, because you conveniently leave out that consoles ban and censor far tamer games and vns and would never in a million years accept many of the games valve does.
>>750257857>remote play can even allow playing local multiplayer titles with steam friendssteam remote play's feature is just a shittier implementation of Parsec
>>750259649He's not wrong but he should know better considering that he had encountered first hand on how Jewish the TF2 workshop community is.It's better to not deal with this shit at all.
>>750260104>valve hires several modders with good results>tries to start up a platform to let modders earn money for their hard work>goes disastrously, people just upload stolen or low quality mods and splits the community>valve drops the idea>bethesda doesn't and ends up selling mods like skins and questlines made by fans for outrageous prices>they go as far as selling anniversary editions which just slap a bunch of mods on top of their original game, with zero regard for tone, balance, quality or even if they fucking work>bethesda gives zero fucks about what it does for the modding community, their games's reputation or their own reputation because suckers buy itAll of this was Valve's fault, somehow.
>>750260181>bank jews proved steam jews right
>>750260241Reminder that despite this Bethesda had a dedicated cult here on /v/ wanking off Bethesda and begging people to buy their products full price then screaming about le trannies if you refuse
>>750259919India has a gaming subreddit??? i thought you guys only gamed algorithms
>>750260283meds
>>750259621It's called GOG
>>750256562>EUAustralia and they went well being what was required and made it worldwide instead of just local like 99% of companies do
>>750254450>every game is filled with mtx>only makes comp slop for unhappy people aka russiansI love Valve
>>750260604These fags make the exact same posts day in day out, they never learn or care, they're paid pennies by the post just to shit on valve.They could easily go after nintendo for to this day not offering any real refunds, but I never hear anyone bring that up, whereas valve not offering refunds at steam's inception still gets them shit on well over a decade after they rolled out among the most lenient refunds in the industry worldwide when they didn't have to.
>>750259205almost every other relevant competitor either has the same refund policy or a better one.wanting to actually own your games is a poorfag's mindset?why the fuck would it matter if they invented or merely popularized it? is anti-consumer behaviour alright as long as you're not the first one doing it?concession acceptedconcession acceptedyou can say the same about pretty much every F2P game, doesn't prevent /v/ from (rightfully) shitting on their monetization.concession acceptedthanks for contributing to the death of R18 games in favour of gacha slop, i guess.
>>750260842>they rolled out among the most lenient refunds in the industry worldwideNo>when they didn't have to.Also no.
>>750260604yeah they would never exploit regional differences in legal responsibilty and market domination except in every single way they have and do
>>750255224>There are guys from Russia on YouTube giving tours of giant bot farms. One farm operates more than 100k bots. So when you look at the /v/-famous Steam charts, that's where the player count comes from.Why is it always russians who do these bot/cheats stuff is a culture thing? Like why?
>>750260525>much smaller selection of games>you can call yourself lucky if some recent game actually does same time updates for Steam and GoG, often you get treated like a secondary citizen and patches & DLC's arrive with at least a week or two of delays or the devs just give up on patching the GoG version entirely (like it happened with Death Road to Canada which at this point will maybe reach 2 years of being behind Steam soon)>sometimes the GoG version will also arrive bugged and never get fixed (like the GoG Skyrim version that still has a memory leak)>flooded with garbage WEG's and pornoslop that CAN'T be permanently filtered out with one click like on Steam>GoG Galaxy still is a pretty mediocre launcher >also GoG Galaxy STILL runs on pretty flimsy and fragile servers that struggle to download games at higher speed then can randomly decide to break and make you offline (often will bug out the launcher and make you unable to connect until you reset the launcher), if it happens during a download it will fail and have to be retried from start, have fun when that will happen with nearly 100 gig games>also for some reason my AV has a issue with Galaxy and tried to interrupt downloading random games with false detections despite it not happening on Steam>yeah you could download offline installers instead but then you basically just get a piracy-like experience of having to download games in individual 4GB max parts, enjoy doing that with some big gameGOG is great for old vidya, but trying to become a "serious big boy game store" was a mistake.
>>750260916What the fuck does giving up on your games for 2 dollars have in common with "owning games" you absolute retard? If you want cheap used games then just pirate all your shit, third worlder.
>>750260104yeah sure, it was totally to "get people to create new and better mods" and not just a way for Valve to earn 30% from mods' sales while doing jackshit.
>>750261080No other platform can boast offline installers. It's the gold standard by any means and a guiding star for Steam.
>>750260969>impotently cries harderCope and sneed with your master over it.
>>750260978move out of your nanny state, faggot
>>750258310what a bunch of nonsense
>>750261330Okay thanks for skipping all the complaints I had I guess. Also yeah GoG having offline installers is cool I suppose, but that doesn't change the fact that it becomes a pretty janky experience for anything that had a bunch of Gigabytes in size and you don't have some sort of third party downloader to speed up the process.
>>750261076The famous Gabe quote of "Piracy is a service problem" was something Steam came up with while trying to convince devs to allow Steam to severely cut their prices to make inroads to the Russian market which was previously entirely piracy based.This was a fabulously successful endeavour which resulted in Russian key resellers, Russian bot farms and Russia being the second largest community of third worlders on Steam after Americans.
>>750261231>hosting the platform the mods are posted on>jackshitlmao
>>750260916>almost every other relevant competitor either has the same refund policy or a better one.No they fucking don't. Sony's is dogshit and Nintendo doesn't have a real refund policy at all and instead just use a loophole to get around it. Valve was the one who did this refund policy first and the rest, like Microsoft and Epic, adopted it after the fact. Very few have a more lenient refund policy.
>>750261231>mod sales
>>750261231>muh 30%I swear to christ you faggots would at least be somewhat believable if you bitched about literally everyone else taking 30% instead of yammering on about steam as if it's some exclusive thing only they do, when a flat 30% rate is the standard and valve goes down to 20% based on sales.Do you storm into stores and demand to see the manager over the cut they take instead of operating as a charity?
>>750260604>Australiait's both Australia and the EU. Valve was being sued in Australia, meanwhile the EU had just passed a law in 2014 mandating a 14-day refund policy for digital goods. so Valve saw the writing on the wall and adapted their refund policy.
>>750261231>30% from mods' salesSteam takes 15% on community market trades which are high frequency/low revenue transactions.compared to game sales 30% which are low frequency/high revenue.mods would be low frequency/low revenue so they'd probably price the cut at 45-50%
>>750254760richard garfield is a fraud
>>750260525No service or features and a far smaller selection of games. GOG is good. It's not comparable to Steam.
>>750261720It's even funnier when you confront them with the fact the famous EGS "only 12% cut" doesn't mean prices are any lower there, so why should the customer care? It's just more money for billionaire jews and jeets in charge of those companies, it's not like more money for the studio means more money for useful employees, the (((Dodge brothers))) made sure of that.
>>750261762Still posting that kike image?
>>750261762tf2 hats were a good thing because I bought my first gayman pc from money I made from trading them
>>750261736Only NA could have compelled them. They could've easily just rolled out refunds in countries that required it, like Nintendo did with the barest minimum, but instead they rolled out lenient refunds globally.
>>750261720google and apple stores start at 15% and go to 30% for every dollar over a million within a year....>valve goes down to 20% based on sales.doing it in the reverse isn't very helpful to most devs, it's more of a carrot on a stick.and you forgot to mention what these jews put the threshold for that carrot at.
>>750261586>hosting a few files entitles you to a 30% cutok retard. there's a reason why Valve's profit margins are absurdly high.
>>750261762>free mere cosmetic drops in free games you can sell for actual money to buy more gamesValve lootboxes are awesome and I'm tired of people shitting on them just because scum like EA have shitty ones. It's not Valve's fault other companies were shitty with it, Valve didn't even create the concept.
>>750261880privet
>>750261614Literally who still cares about consoles in 2026?
>but the devs!!>WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE DEVS!?fucking shills
>>750262037steamies
>>750256274>>750256431Developers are not entitled to free advertising by Steam's storefront, nor any other store for that matterWhat is your point exactly
>>750254869That's what publicly traded companies do. Which means they will never be able to compete here
>>750261130>what the fuck does owning your games have to do with owning your games?How the fuck can you say you truly own your games if you don't even have the right to resell them, you braindead moron?
>>750261971>a few files
>>750261971Because they run an extremely tight ship and everyone uses them because they're by far the best store. Valve does far more for these devs and publishers than just about anyone else in this industry. Timmy and tendies can cope their asses off over such simple facts forever.
>>750262037The people who've started to shit themselves and whine over steam and pc because it's finally apparent to them consoles are getting crushed by it.
>>750261762Their plan was 30% for Valve and 45% for Bethesda.
>>750262142>the rightPathetic corpo goyslave lmao
>>750262103>Developers are not entitled to free advertising by Steam's storefrontdw that doesn't happen, steam shadowbans any game that hasnt made the 333USD revenue to earn it's steam submission fee back and hides everything in a flood of slop.
valve = wholesome as fuck
>>750262142Physicalniggers will die on the hill that it's better to buy a game 70 bucks and sell it for 30 than buy it for 10 in the first place. If you want to own games, get an HDD/SSD, and put pirated games on there, that's the only true ownership that exists. And since Steam has never done anything against piracy, it can safely assumed every single anti-Valve post is a seething Tim shill.
>>750262287Sounds about right. 90% of what people make is crap.
>>750261842>the famous EGS "only 12% cut" doesn't mean prices are any lower thereBecause Valves forbids developers from selling their games for a lower price on other stores, retard.
>>750262306>deckard-linux-no-oopsieslol
>>750262345Yet another retarded lie, proving all anti-Valve comments are shills, the Rothschilds are really fucking butthurt. The only thing you're not allowed to do is sell STEAM KEYS elsewhere for a lower price, because that would use their infrastructure without paying them in return. It's the exact same as you complaining that you can't go in the middle of a Walmart and sell your own shit there without paying them a dime, no company is ever going to let you just abuse their infrastructure for your own benefit without giving it anything in return.
>>750262306this autist scrolls through github commits like a normie scrolls through cute pets pics
>>750262142WHY WOULD I EVER WANT TO GET RID OF MY GAMES YOU PATHETIC MOUTHBREATHING MORON FUCK OFFYou're not getting my games for cheap. Go pirate.>BUT I HAVE THE RIGHT!!!!Newsflash: you never did. Trading and reselling games was never legal, and corpos wanted to treat it like piracy. If you bothered to read the licence text for any game back in the day it would say "don't share, trade or resell this game". On PC especially corpos added DRM's that would brick your CD key if it got used several times, too.
>>750262167how much do you think it costs for Valve to host mods' files on their servers? they already do that for free for the free Steam Workshop mods...
>>750262340schrodingers box where steam is free advertising and a sea of slop
>>750256818when the benevolent dictator dies, dumbass
>>750262543which is most gracious of them, they should unironically charge us for the privilege.
>>750262142I would trade being able to legally sell my games for the ability to have full access to my games every single time.And hell, I don't even give up the right to sell my games, I still have that right and can do so easily, I simply can't be retarded about it.
>>750254450>>750254621>>750262441Lies!
>>750262543Very kind of them. They could jew it up like Nexus with ads, timers and throttle download speeds unless you pay a subscription.
>>750257169>taking 20% from cancerous triple a slop so they make more profit while taking 30% from indie godsNext you'll say "actually fuck indies. I love shitty mainstream slop"
>>750262867>implying indies don't bitchslap AAA profits on the regular nowWhat year is it?
>>750262543>>750262864Mods don’t store a lot of data, it’s always under 100mb. Enough with the propaganda.
>>750262939lol
>>750254450>>750254574>some regions have arbitrarily fucked pricing>technically, publishers can normalize those manually>but doing so excludes their product from promos and algo shilling>going on for years, never fixedYeah, real fuckin' benevolent. I'll continue to shop at the healthy female's store, ta very much.
>>750262448>NOOOOOOO I DON'T WANT BETTER CONSUMER RIGHTS, PLEASE FUCK ME HARDER DADDY VALVE!Why are Americans like this?
>>750262692>easily
>>750263251The only "consumer rights" I care about is being able to play my games easily without and bullshit interrupting me for many years, and Steam never disappointed me in that regard.Again, why the FUCK would I EVER sell my games? So you can get them for cheap?
>>750262441>the Rothschilds are really fucking butthurt.not every Rothschild is A Rothschildbut every billionaire who is a merchant with an armade of yachts, a brain implant company, an AI financier, that has known personal emails with Elon Musk (aka the Epstein troop) is a Jew you should not relax around.
>>750263038You sound extremely tech illiterate. I'm going to assume you're a consoletard now.
>>750254450Thanks, OP. Good reminderAlso good reminder that anti-valve threads are made purely by Indians upset that Gabe does not hire their type and they're just butthurt they can't take CEO somewhere and destroy the business.
>>750263251because they're South Asians.
>>750263251theres no company on the planet who lets you resell digital games. why are you singling valve out for it
>>750263373>reddit>wikipedia>regurgitated by an llm
>>750262032I'm not russian thougheverbeit o algo
>>750263597The same reason they screech over 30% and refunds. They're desperate for anything. If they had any actual dirt on Valve, they'd have real criticisms. Instead, laughable non-issues and industry standards are the best they got, so they beat it into the dirt.
>>750263784
>>750263882>ubisoft wants to jew steam users and try to force them to buy games from their dogshit launcher>I'm supposed to be upset about thisSteam is within their right to not sell a game for any reason they choose, including ones that just try to take advantage of the store and its users.
I'm going to redeem this card
>>750254760lmao thread should have ended here desuanyway what the fuck was valve thinking with this
I don't care how many shills you pay, Tim, i am NOT using EGS
>>750263991Steam is jewing devs with an above industry standard cut and then jewing consumers by enforcing price parity so that everyone pays the same price as steam piggies.and it's something only a shill would defend.
>>750259834because they are never going to make an actual game. Why would they when they can squeeze money out of consumers by just creating a virtual casino?
>>750264032they stopped selling these physically when people stopped using them to buy bitcoin.
>>750264242You mad, bro?
>>750264358>You mad, bwo?
>>750262831
>>750264242>an above industry standard cutNo it's not. t. game dev
>>750264529post your game
>>750264579https://www.nintendo.com/us/store/products/paperball-deluxe-switch/https://www.nintendo.com/us/store/products/salaryman-shi-switch/https://store.steampowered.com/app/2980450/Cliax_Codec/https://store.steampowered.com/app/1886210/Mirrored_Soul/https://www.moddb.com/games/onlinkHere, worked on all of these
>>750264242>enforcing price parity so that everyone pays the same price as steam piggies.hello timmy
>>750264656you worked on indie games under different names every time? so you're lying or a scammer.
>>750254450>steals 30% from every single developer>just to have it show up on their malware launcher that is required to run at all times and tracks your data constantly>hats>skin sales for guns and knives>fake sales>nonstop pushing of depression quest tier slop while real games are hidden in the storefront and sales>literally make no games on their own. just stole some formerly free mods decades ago and rereleased them as paid add ons and have milked them for 20+ years now with no new games>last "game" they made is literally just cut and paste of a war3/sc custom game mapya, they are so great. i love valve cock in my mouth. yum.
>>750264860Someone can work on games for different people. This is a thing that happens often in indie games. Here's a hint, check the damn credits.
>>750264878>i love valve cock in my mouth. yum.We know, Timmy. We know.
>>750254450have you seen their disgusting side hustle with CS GO?or the fact they take a tip on every game sale?
>>750264694>the market is gaining value from Steam not enforcing price parity while under scrutiny from a class action lawsuit with a mountain of evidence where they did price parityi accept your concession
>>750254450>doesn't give you a filter to ban low effort AI slop gamesThey're just as useless as the rest until this problem is sorted out.
>>750265025>the fact they take a tip on every game sale?like...everyone?
>>750264972if you're working on games you're a wagie not a developer, it's no wonder you don't know the industry standard.go make a game yourself and find out like us real devs
>>750265025Timmy's marketers have gotten so dumb and desperate it's hard to tell what's sarcasm, bait, or genuine stupidity.
>>750265035>meme answerwhat a surprise
>>750265093They're hidden by the algorithm. I don't see any AI slop unless I intentionally go looking for it.
>>750263241>some regionswho cares? if your country doesn't use USD or EUR you don't matter
>>750264878>>steals 30% from every single developernothing is stoping devs from selling physical for cheaper than steam
>>750265125post your game
>>750265238Very convincing argument. To take my business elsewhere, that is.
>>750265316okay
>>750265316By all means.
>>750265274fuck no im not posting my game on /v/ to open myself up to being reportbombed by indian steam propagandistsim not a retarded wagie like you
>>750265125The standard for every store besides Itch and EGS is thirty bro I can tell you that from personal experience. Keep moving those goalposts though.
>>750265676the largest stores by revenue and userbase are apple and google who both charge 15% they're the industry standard
>>750265437worthless shitposting nodev coward lol
>>750265817frustrated poo brown hands typed this post
>>750265806We're talking about games.
>>750265879timmy's goo all over your face doesn't make you white, rajesh
>>750255260My best guess is steam isn't as profitable as people think. Think about it, you get a 30% cut for game's sales but then have to pay to have the game hosted and downloadable.... forever. That cost will make a decent dent into the profit you made sooner or later.It's easy to think something prints money if you only look at revenue and completely ignore the cost to deliver the service.
>>750263241>some regions have arbitrarily fucked pricing>technically, publishers can normalize those manuallyIt's the other way around, the pricing outside 1st world countries in only a fraction and is based on purchasing power. But some publishers don't care and they make thirdies pay the full price,
>>750265806>but these irrelevant stores for a different industryRetard
>EGS is around a decade old and is still missing basic functionalityI don't even understand why. It was funny to dab on it for being an underdeveloped joke when it launched but it's barely changed
>>750255272They're legally required to, the whole reason steam ended up getting a refund policy was valve got in trouble with the EU over it.
>>750263373Anon it’s not real, that conspiracy theory is fake. We already proved they’re not involved with anything and they only sued. There’s no bigger conspiracy.
>>750266036Timmy is extremely autistic and set in his ways. He thinks sucking off devs and publishers is the way while ignoring what the actual customers want. He just tosses out freebies (freebies that he would instantly take away the moment EGS was successful) and expects you to download his spyware for them, all while his ship sinks and he throws his hands up into the air and screams "WHY?"
>>750254993It's "aquarium" not "aquaryan"
>>750263991They rejected popular Japanese games, the developers were kind enough to censor them but no, Corporate America Valve rejected it.
>>750266065They were only legally required to offer some shitty form of a refund in case the game flat out didn't work and they weren't required to roll it out globally. That's what Nintendo did and why they still to this day do not have any real refunds, yet nobody bitches about that because Nintendo does far worse shit to criticize while Valve has to get ragged on for a problem that was solved over a decade ago.
>>750266306Valve got attacked for those kinds of games. Valve is libertarian as fuck, they wouldn't care about hosting all of it aside from the fact it's legally dubious and pp can just rugsweep your entire business overnight because some karens in a shithole screeched about it.Steam still accepts tons of japanese games no other store would touch, games dlsite doesn't even show anyone anymore outside of japan.
>>750263597Other companies don't have a bunch of fanboys constantly insisting that they're "the only pro-consumer video game company!!!".+ Valve is the only video game company (AFAIK, at least) who actively fought against that right in court. https://www.aippi.org/news/no-second-hand-market-for-online-video-games-declares-french-supreme-court/
>muh 30%what shit company you guys work?
>>750266795>"the only pro-consumer video game company!!!"Nobody says that, they're just easily better than nearly everyone else. Right up there with GOG.
>>750265986steamies really think they're on a special videogame console because of their chromium launcher
>>750254450Not run by shareholders who look for trends and short-term profit.
Jeets hate Valve because they hire based on merit and they aren't a scamming company, so they have no need to hire brown dirty retarded subhuman jeets
>>750266201>Bobbles head Varrry varry good englishing sarrrrr very understandings very makings sense sar
>>750266934>they're just easily better than nearly everyone elseThey really aren't.
>>750256130>>750256274>>750256431>Valve is demanding we raise our prices on other storesExcept they aren't. They are saying you need a fixed price for all the stores or they don't want to bother with you.>Be dev>Put game on steam for $80>Put it on my website for $50>Redirect everyone to my website in game so they refund the steam version>Valve says I need to charge $50 for the game on Steam or $80 on my website or they won't provide services>Valve will cancel your preorders and remove your product if you don't complySeems completely reasonable on their part. Especially against AAA developers which make a dogshit store and then push it onto the Steam users.
>>750265252>this breaks the mind of the anti-valve communist
>>750257637>>750257905You guys didn't know devs hired psychologists and have for decades? Why do you think mobile games offer you bonuses and stuff at certain times?They also hire them for gameplay reasons like 'why do retards not go down the hallway'. It would have been a psychological study that made the yellow ledges in platformers a thing.Thinking psychologists can peer into your brains just makes you utter marks.
>>750267008steam sells gamesphone stores sell you ads and microtransactions
>>750266065ok? when are consoles going to get hit with that requirement?
>Read thread >Multiple comments about Jewish peopleYeah, I'm done. It was a good 15 years on this website but im not going to poison my brain, good riddance.
>>750267979>Except they aren't. They are saying you need a fixed price for all the stores or they don't want to bother with you.you mightve noticed you literally said "fixed price" price fixing is anti-market no matter what mental gymnastics you use to reframe it and using coercion to price fix as they are doing to their product suppliers is illegal.>Seems completely reasonable on their part.Sherman Act disagrees
>>750269579So you never actually read comments for 15 years until today? You poor, fragile, brown child. good luck out there!
>>750268646whataboutism is not a valid defense
>>750254797AquaHITLER
>>750269579>15 years
>>750255746stop noticing
>Makes snoys seethe>Makes xbots seethe>Makes tendies seethe>Makes Tim Sweeney GIGASEETHEJust enjoying the show.
>>750254574>Benevolent dictator.
>>750269579>NOOOOOOOOOO JEWS ARE GOOD>EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH IS WRONG OTHER THAN ISRAEL
>>750268437Gabe is Stalinesque
>>750269579kill yourself jew before you rape more kids
>>750269726Don't talk to somebody way smarter than you, confused moron.
>>750269579>It was a good 15 yearssays who?
>>750269958ITS BROWN AND MAD NOWITS BROWN AND MAD NOW>I VARRY SMART SARRRAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHAHAHAHA
>>750269962I thought you were smarter than that.
>fucks the consumer in the ass the most but its cultist fans pretend its actually a good thingWhy are they like this?
>>750258310>steamies burnt stadia and other game streaming services to death so that steam could claim this not quite as good version of it as a WTrue. I'm Trueing.
>>750270080nooo bros... Not the heckin stadia T_T
>>750270046Are you proud about being a moron?
>>750270076>having the most features and being among the least intrusive means i'm being fucked in the ass
Enjoy your small minded moron containment website
>>750270173SARR I AM LEIK GENUIS ENGINEER !!DOCTOR !! CEO!! ALL PROFESSIONS !! GENUIS IN EACH SAR. VERY SMARTING DEFENDER OF THE JEWS SARRR. LEAVINGS BUT COMING BACK ISNTANTLY SARR MY IZZAT SARR
>>750270223>DRM is less intrusive bro!!!! Who cares ae didn't even have refunds for a decade of steams existence!!! Who cares they popularized paid mods and lootboxes and microtransactions!!!!lol cultist will defend his prison as being safety
>>750270458>steam is bad because... it wasn't as good 10 years agoit's honestly impressive that mindbroken retards like you don't understand the implications of this line of argumentation
>>750254450they can simply kick back and crank the money printer instead of having shareholders hyperventilate in their ears about "wow but what if you made infinite money PLUS ONE instead thoughsterbeit?"
>>750270458Tim shills don't even try to make arguments anymore, they just repeat the same dozen lies in the most schizo shitpost way possible and spam it all day. This is the results of 8 years, fucking EIGHT YEARS of Tim with infinite money trying to build something that would overtake Steam. He learned from none of their experiences, took 3 years to implement a shopping cart, and 8 years after releasing his slop launcher, some basic bitch AI apparently did a better job than his own engineers, and he is asking us to trust AI code reviewed by retards to handle credit card data. Meanwhile Tim spends his days seething on twitter about Gabe, calling him "the other guy" like a scorned teenage girl.
>>750256818>>750254621>chud revolt when benevolent dictator gives women rights and doesn't put minorities into camp>>750269579>doesn't subconsciouslly filter it after 15 yearsskill issue
>>750270682indians just enter the steam thread, mention epic games ceo tim sweeney once and jeetpt the rest of their post.what a chill job.
>>750270458>didn't even have refunds for a decade of steams existenceok? consoles still don't have them or have terms so bad they might as well not have themwe're talking about the present, retard>popularized paid modsthey failed and everyone got refunded>lootboxes and microtransactionsvalve is the only one that didn't fuck this up actually, thanks to this little feature called trading, which meant that you can outright buy most of the shit you want for literal pennies
>>750264319>valve's "virtual casino" is better than any competing gameWhoa.
>>750270534>who cares they were anti-consumer most of their life, thats the past now!!!!cultists everyone
>>750256952They were also sued by a few consumer rights groups in different countries and either lost or were looking to lose most of their cases, so did a 180 to avoid fines etc and everyone thought they did it out of the kindness of their hearts
>>750271014>consoles still don't have themConsoles have physical dumbfuck so they own refund, you had no option
>>750271151So you agree that Tim should never be trusted considering he abandoned the PC market and wanted it dead
>>750255567that's nonsensealmost everyone uses 3rd party websites to trade counter strike skinsthe 3rd party sites have automated trading bots set up to handle everything and you get paid by bank transfer as soon as the trade hold ends
>>750271151there's literally not a single entity on the planet that will come out squeaky clean start to finishyes, you judge here and now, not how it was when you were still in diapers
>>750271221you can't return opened games
>>750271292This, but also, Steam is the one that started it all, of course they didn't think of everything, they had to innovate and slowly build up, Steam is so loved because they overwhelmingly took decisions that improved the software and the UX. Meanwhile every other company just saw Steam's numbers and made a quick and dirty spyware shitty launcher with 0 features solely to avoid paying Steam, learning nothing from them and obviously being solely after your cash with a cold and sterile behavior. Who the fuck wants to install "bland goyware#865 so the CEO gets more money" on their computer? Who wants to do that for multiple different games?
>>750263882that argument makes sense thoughwhy should steam be forced to sell a game when the publisher is operating in bad faith to make steam look like a store that charges more compared to the publishers own game store to funnel customers away from steam?
>>750271224Cultist always deflect to their boogeyman but never address the original argument >>750271292Still shit here and now and their past defines their present and their future. Valve make most of their income from gambling thats more evil than companies who actually make games
>>750255325Why do fags here just make up complete bullshit? Lying doesn't make shitskin console company any better, rajeesh.
>>750271674In the case of something like Uplay, if its a first party game then because Ubisoft could opt to not take the 30% cut in order to sell it cheaper since its their own game anyway.In the case of a third party game on one of those stores then steams correct.
>>750271723>Still shit here and nowhow>and their past defines their present and their future.how>Valve make most of their income from gambling provide the source
>>750271929>bro how is DRM still shit now, they added social media features!!!Playing dumb lmao
>>750271817>to sell it cheaper since its their own game anyway.They could, but then they'd be abusing Steam's visibility in order to get sales that don't bring Steam money. No store owner is going to let you just post your own ads on their front window without getting anything worthwhile in return.
>>750255325Lmao look at this fucking retard
>>750271992do you think that repeating DRM over and over is a substitute for an argument?steam's DRM is so weak that it can be broken in 30 secondsis this really what you're getting your panties in a twist over?
>>750266328Nah the 14 day return right without needing a reason is specifically an EU regulation. What valve did can easily be seen as them taking the easiest option for them. Just offer it up for everyone. Especially since trying to figure out if a game was actually broken would be an insane amount of work on their part.
>>750271784Because they’re paid too. Notice how when GoG was brought up the faggot just said he didn’t care showing that he doesn’t want an actual alternative he just has a hateboner for Valve specifically. Ironic when you think about it, jeets being the buttslaves for a guy who is literally named Timmy.
>>750254450they don't have investors breathing down their necks to make line go up
created the modern loot boxcreated the battle passevery game they make now is just an esports skinner box to sell shitty cosmeticsAt what point do you accept this company might not be pro-consumer?
Valve are a bunch of gay cucks, they wont let us backers get a free copy of squadron 42 when its out on steam because uhhhh MUH CUTT?fuck em
>He forgot about the Steam Deck price increaseThe right move would be discontinuing it.
>>750272016Thats fair, but its also fair to say why shouldn't ubisoft be able to price a game on their store so that they make the exact same profit from the sale as steam.Realistically every game they sell on steam earns them 30% less than the same game sold on uplay, if they had a discount on their own store that was 30% they would make the exact same profit as a sold copy on steam.
>>750272321As I always say, the 2 best general options to get games are either Steam for all the useful features, or piracy for the free games. These do not clash in any way, Steam has never done anything against piracy, therefore there is no rational reason for any PC user to hate Steam. Anti-Valve posting cannot be anything else but shills.
>>750254450Real answer?Private company. That's it. That's the whole reason. A publicly traded company is legal obligated to do everything in its power to keep making the numbers go up. Short term. There is no such thing as long-term planning and stability. They will replace their best employees with cheaper indians, wedge advertisements everywhere, put women in management positions for DEI-blackrock-bucks, etc. They *have* to keep the numbers going up or they can get sued by shareholders. They have NO choice. Valve is private. They have no obligation. They can plan for stability and long-term goals without stressing over short-term profits. They can eat 3 non-profitable quarters in a row without sweating just because it's part of their plan. A publicly traded company can't.
>>750272585Theres not a single company that has actively improved its products by becoming publically traded.The stock market should be banned.
>>750272443Because every game on Steam is something weighing down their infrastructure forever unless the game is taken down and even then, those who bought it still have it and Steam must still provide it. Steam isn't some physical store where you agree to host copies of CoD#24 for a month. Encouraging predatory practices using Steam's visibility and infrastructure solely to shill another launcher is a very dangerous road, and users don't even want that, nobody wants to have to install more launchers, remember that virtually every big game that isn't on Steam comes with a dedicated shitty spyware launcher worsening your UX.
>Make a private company in the late 90s so not required to appeal to wallstreet kikes wanting to destroy the country because they want 5% growth every 2 seconds>Not be brown or faggot MBA with no impulse control and work towards a goal instead of gibs me dat.>Be forward thinking and occupy a niche and solve a market problem>Move games forward after John Carmike open sourced quake>Your niche grows and you find yourself through basic market forces 3 decades later as the dominant force despite some issues along the way with lootboxes, which no one really gives two shit about. >This make browns and fags seethe infinitely as the one company that isn't fucking them over 100% is actually preferred by most people who get a taste of it>instead of it being their consolefag company who hates them and wants to nickel and dime their entire existence + Epic.Very cool.
>>750272671I have no skin in the game because im an advocate for piracy anyway as anyone should be especially since we're discussing self interest, and I did say that your argument made sense from valves self interest, but you should acknowledge what I said makes sense from ubisofts self interest.
>>750272798>you should acknowledge what I said makes sense from ubisofts self interest.Of course, but the emphasis of your question was on why Steam won't let them do what you described. Visibility and trust is worth a lot, and Steam slowly built that over the years, nobody is preventing companies like Ubisoft from doing the same, but every single option except GoG has been a blatantly obvious "we want more money" software that in no way tried to provide any benefit to the user, and actively damages the UX through both inconvenience and security risks.As for self-interest, I love piracy but it has a couple of issues for your own convenience, mainly that games are not auto-updated and you have to be wary of a potential virus each time and are dependent on someone else uploading the new build, and of course that you don't get access to multiplayer. In those cases, getting it on Steam at a good price is way more convenient, which I think is one of the reasons some indies EA do so well, paying 10 bucks for a constantly updated game that's already decent is a good deal for most people.
>>750272665The stock market used to not be so retarded but ever since shareholder primacy and Reagonomics, we haven't been ourselves in a very long time.
>>750263373Patents should be abolished.
>>750263373rothschild is literally a clan name, a red shield
>>750272794>lootboxesGenuinely, as someone who only encountered lootboxes through Overwatch, the hyperfocus on them seems silly. There have been a ton of uber predatory lootbox systems, but the things themselves aren't an issue, you could (and I did) easily get mountains of skins in OW and any duplicate got converted to a fair amount of in-game currency to buy more skins. If a company wants to fuck you over with skins, it doesn't need lootboxes to do it, MTX work just as well, and retards will pay 500 bucks for an Ahri skin in LoL.It's the predatory bullshit that often accompanies it that's the issue, not the existence of boxes.
>>750272585>why yes, I have no idea what I'm talking about and I'm just parroting what someone else said, how could you tell?
>>750269579Its not all the jews, but its always jews.
>>750272183Ok break the drm and play CS2 without steam installed
>>750270452If you died I would spit on your grave.
>>750273334>online gameyou stupid or disingenuous?
>>750273276he's not wrong. which is why you just mumbled some shit instead of actually saying something meaningful
>>750254574Unironically the best form of governement if your just replace that word with "king"Boomers are such a cancer.
>>750269579This board is what redpilled me on jews, race, and the facade of egalitarianism in 2011, cant speak for 08'ers ig but its always been this way on websites with free speech.
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
>>750274038But the biggest question is: who cares about CCG faggots? Not me, that's for sure.
>>750274208First they came for the Artifact fans, and I did not speak up, because I was not an Artifact fan.Then they came for the Underlords fans, and I did not speak up, because I am not an Underlords fan.Then they came for me, and by then there was nobody left to speak for me.
>>750273235I've never actually played a game with lootboxes, so these faggots telling me I MUST CARE ABOUT THEM IN A DEAD GAME always make me go lawl.
>>750273442you have a child's understanding of how companies work. "publicly-traded have to maximise short-term profits or else they will get sued!!!" is a meme.
>>750274038Based Artifact Chad
>>750274038have you considered going to a psychiatrist?
>>750274241I don't even know what Underlords is, but don't care. Also, Bioware is dead, so things are looking up in 2026.>>750274527Sir, look up Playskool vs Yugo Motor Corp.
>>7502695798/10 bait I can't believe you got all these responses.
>>750262345So why don't they just sell it on Epic and not on Steam?
>>750256113Will this posture help me develop a multi million dollar game?
>>750273626>>750269579There is also a difference between naming the jew vs. throwing jew around like it's water, completely diminishing any power it has and convincing fags that you're just low iq conspiracy tard because a tumble weed in flowing in a field is le kikes.This is why stormfags were hated just as much as furfags
>>750254450>killed physical PC gaming>mandated 'you will use Gabe's store or not get the game'>actively pushes for companies to actively fuck over consumers with them>spent literaly millions on trying to unfuck their reputationThey are the biggest cancer in the history of gamingBecause of Valve, physical gaming is dead and you may only 'rent' games from now on
>>750278419I forgot to mention that I am trans, btw. Idk if that matters.
>>750278419>killed physical PC gamingconsoles did that by pushing it out of stores>mandated 'you will use Gabe's store or not get the game'now say it again, in english this timeyou're not forced to use steam>actively pushes for companies to actively fuck over consumers with themagain, i want an actual argument, not a vaguepost>spent literaly millions on trying to unfuck their reputationwhy would they need to? people do it for free considering the caliber of their competition
>>750266431>United States scare of nudismYou’re brainwashed anon
I want gayben to explode with cum inside my shaved asshole
>>750255325Steam>Can return if you only played for a bitRegular big box store>Can't return if openedhow is that worse?
>>750254450Because the consumer is their only money maker as a private company. Public companies can appeal to shareholders so they can just say "fuck you" and do all sorts of bullshit as long as the market value goes up.
>>750273626>>750278295You sound mentally unwell
>>750267979You do know the FTC has gone after companies for doing exactly that, right?
>>750281009>It's mentally unwell to not constantly cry wolfk.
>>750281119Yeah, you're mentally fucking ill.
>>750281235Ok.
>>750281267How is it crying wolf when you are the moron jumping into a conversation half way in?
>>750281417It's called a conversation? Also you called me and another anon mentally ill for no reason. So Idk what you're on about. I'd suggest reading the thread chain.
>>750281553Oh no, I called the people on the racist forum, in a thread where they're blaming everything wrong in society on Jews, mentally ill?God, I really was wrong.
>>750281917Now that's mental illness.
>>750282043And yet you're unable to grow up.
>>750282043I hope your children disown you and marry Jewish and or black partners.
>>750282043Hope you enjoy dying in a hospital bed with your first son refusing to visit you.
>>750262306>fag talks in lower caseyikes
>>750273514I don't think "king dictator" is the best form of government
