Why the fuck is it rated so highly? I love CRPGs but Dragon Age gameplay is just awful. Gameplay in the Pathfinder games looks like a masterpiece in comparison.
>>750261701it was bg3 of its time, very high effort for its genre
It's WRPG Persona, you get to go on an adventure with your virtual friends and bang a succubus, its comfy
>>750261701Probably because it's a good game.
>>750261701It had kino presentation.
>>750261701I feel the opposite. The gameplay is good, but the setting and story is just so bland.
>>750261701Can you elaborate on why you think its awful? Is it just that you hate all RTwP games? (which is a valid opinion) or is it something specific about DAO?I liked the gameplay for the most part. I like that you can basically program your companions by setting up "if" statements (e.g "If Hp >30%, drink health potion") to avoid a lot of micromanaging. My main complaint with the gameplay is that its extremely unbalanced and mages completely shit over everything else while other classes like archer rogues and two-handed warriors are so weak and useless its a meme. As for the rest (dagger rogues and shield warriors) they are fine but still very weak compared to mages. But at least the mage gameplay is one of the most fun of any RPG ive tried. Its truly a mage chad game.
Last good WRPG and last western fantasy game (and story in general) to feel like actual fantasy and not a Californian DnD session Refer to the materialshttps://youtu.be/SoSWam15z5k
>>750262563Skills and progression are generally boring, there’s essentially no combat variety, there are too many fights, the controls are just awful, items are so fucking boring, and most of the time you just sit there and wait for your party to kill the enemies. Like I said Pathfinder has much better gameplay in comparison and that game gets fairly trashed for its terrible gameplay. DAO really makes me miss swarms and grease
>Pathfinder>masterpiece
>>750263504>in comparison
It's a dating sim, nobody ever praises the gameplay if you noticed
it's a loud and obnoxious minority, like with many overrated games
>>750261701i got this for free on Origin somehow, i had no interest in playing and i still have no clue what happened to it
>>750263658>spermoid not even aware of the time when people bought PC games outside Steam
>>750261701people dont play these games for the gameplay
lead writers: >hamburger helper >david GAYder umm it was actually based dragon age only got bad at inquisition... I mean veilguard
>>750263658The game is from 2009, my little nigger
>>750261701Yeah, I get you OP.I mean people say this game is good but it has nothing of Fortnite!
it was babbies first crpg for creepy millennial manchildren who never got laid like normal people
>>750263937Thats Baldurs Gate 2 thoughbeit
>>750263732>>750263896meanwhile, an actual good game that came out just 1 year later
>>750263556No, Most people played a single player RPG thought it was cool and moved on; the autistic faggots, trannies and fat women that stuck around that Bioware mistook for it's primary fanbase and then started making games explicitly for these people hold that opinion.
>>750264082>new vegasAh, so you're just a seething tranny, never mind
>>750264129>bioware fag calling anyone a tranny
>>750263556I’ve always called BioWare games “western Persona” in the sense that they’re only popular for the dating sim elements.
>>750263556I praised the gameplay in this very thread, 5 posts above yours. With no mention of dating elements
>>750264082>nufallout>good
>>750264560>bioshit>good
>>750261701Let me guess, you tried to run 3 DPS and a healer and thought you could get away with that?
>>750261701bitch what is you notion of "gameplay", rolling around 20 times? play button Simon-says with a boss? 360 no-scoping noobs?I'm actually curious
>>750264861there are no builds in this game retard there are only 3 classes and 2 of them play the same
>>750261701>Gameplay in the Pathfinder games looks like a masterpiece in comparisonThey're literally the same though?
>>750262119It was considered a budget title.
>>750264968Pathfinder games are turnbased, right?
>>750265037rtwp, but allowing switch to tb
>>750264929Sure there is, there's lots of ways to play the wizard and tank and dps fighter have pretty different gameplay styles too. Really only the rogues are redundant.>>750264861No need for a dedicated healer at all really.
>>750265037>>750265057They are both designed with rtwp combat in mind, and Kingmaker originally only had rtwp combat available. At their base level, both games are essentially just about either stacking modifiers and auto-attacking, or stacking modifiers and dropping a big spell that instantly wins you every encounter.
>>750265236Pathfinder plays pretty well in TB
>>750264929>there are no builds in this gameRanged DPS warriorMelee DPS warrior (2 kinds)Tank warriorRanged DPS rogueMelee DPS rogueBard rogueDodge tank rogueRanged DPS mageTank mageHealer mage
>>750265151>>750265287>you can either be a guy with 2H sword or a sowrd and shield, massive build variety!
>>750265236Yeah, but at least Pathfinder has build autism and way more interesting classes.
>>750265151You do need a dedicated tank though, this game has MMO-style aggro management
>>750265337>you can be DPS or a tankYeah, not like the big differences between Wizards, Warlocks and CoDzillas
It's not that good. It's shallow, stiff, story is regular "ancient evil awakens and you are the hero", dialogue is marvel tier. 1 memorable character because of porn, 1 because of "enchantment" meme (don'teven remeber his name). The worst part is that locations are huge and empty, like most bioware games. The bar for games was much lower when it released, believe it or not.Ok as a student with literally nothing better to do, but I wouldn't have played it as an emplyed person.
>a game so good, the most popular mod is to skip massive blocks of content because nobody can stomach playing it
>>750264814who are you quoting?
>>750265337DPS fighter uses two daggers, the tank can use either two-hander or sword and board. The point is that they play quite differently as the tank uses more active abilities.>>750265276No it doesn't, all it achieves is making a game that's already too long even longer and slower.>>750265345Not really, Pathfinder just has melee auto-attacker, ranged auto-attacker, blaster wizard or DC wizard.>>750265364Sort of, you could just run a bunch of melee wizards or dps fighters and probably be fine given how they'd all be rather robust.
>>750265614>No it doesn'tIt does, infact I think TB mode is a godsend for the more difficult encounters. You don't need it for the trash mobs obviously
>>750265535I've truly never understood this. I mean sure, it is non-standard gameplay, but it's really not that long nor bad. Never understood the people that hate the dwarf areas either.
>>750265480>story is regular "ancient evil awakens and you are the hero",That’s every BioWare game ever. The only time they deviated from this even slightly was Mass Effect 2.
>>750265614>Pathfinder just has melee auto-attacker, ranged auto-attackerYou have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Melee and ranged classes are basically the same with a couple of exceptions. There are also classes that don't fit into your categorization at all like the Kineticist which has more variety than the entire progression system in DAO.
>>750265689Because nobody actually likes playing the game anon, it's boring slogging rigmarole. People tolerated the gameplay so they could fuck the swamp witch and the french tart
>>750265660What difficult encounters? The game is essentially just a knowledge check and if you know how to stack modifiers properly every encounter is a cakewalk. The intro section of WOTR is an exception of course, but that one is also not made easier in the slightest by turn-based since it's all about manipulating the NPC with you to finish every encounter.
>>750265535Filtered, the Deep Roads were worse.
>>750265689“THAT parts” in most games are usually parts where the devs introduce some gimmick to mix up the gameplay and people aren’t used to it. Yet if you make a game that has no gimmick sections at all, people will call the game repetitive.You can’t win as a game dev either way.
>>750265789It sounds like you played on “story” difficulty
None of you have played the game, cunning rogue is easily the strongest class.
>>750265764>Melee and ranged classes are basically the same with a couple of exceptions.Yes, but you take different feat lines and play slightly differently during encounters.>There are also classes that don't fit into your categorization at all like the KineticistThis is a blaster.
>>750265789>The game is essentially just a knowledge check and if you know how to stack modifiers properly every encounter is a cakewalk.No, using you abilities and spells at the right moment is still essential to victory, especially on the higher difficulties
>>750265876dex dump archer*
>>750265875I played on core and then bumped it to unfair once it became clear during the second chapter that they weren't going to really change encounters much.>>750265904There is like maybe one encounter in the base game that requires this. I haven't played the expansions so I cannot comment on that.
>>750264082More people will buy a game that can be modded to hell and back. DA:O also doesn't get constant pieces of viral media comparing it to its predecessor driving more sales after its debut era. New Vegas legitimately keeps getting called the better role playing game compared to FO3 so if you missed it you should play it. Also it was on sale for a dollar recently. Perhaps banning steam charts would diminish disenguous trolling where people pretend not to have a single ounce of critical thinking.
>>750266023>There is like maybe one encounter in the base game that requires this.No, it's useful throughout the entire game. An example of this the level 1 spell Grease, it can win fights throughout the game but you gotta get the positioning right so your guys don't fall down. TB mode helps a lot with this.
>>750266128Yes, using your DC spells is good when you're playing a DC caster, that is not the same as being required in order to win the game.
>>750261701You just had to be there. It was the last CRPG released by a major studio during an era when everyone started developing games for mainly consoles. Why do you think they call kickstarter CRPGs fad the "CRPG revival" era?
>>750261701There is plenty to like, like how each option has different origins. That´s pretty rad and it´s what made people believe in all those promises of the players being able to shape their own worlds. It was an ambitious goal, one on which they ultimately failed to deliver. By Inquisition they had made a habit of promising impossible things on which they couldn´t possible deliver and well... we all know that by the end they had betrayed everything the original game stood for. Other than that, the original has great characters and atmosphere. As for the world and lore itself you have to understand that, at the time, the genre was believed dead and buried. The promise was that it wasn´t so they delivered a classic experience with some added political experience, which again, at the time was not nearly as played out as it came to be in later years. They milked the trope so much that these days people barely care about the court drama and wants to focus the whole time on pure adventure.
>>750261701To be honest with you it was given higher praise then deserved because it was seen as a 'return to form' for CRPG fans. The story, setting, and how magic was handled was interesting and well fleshed out. The game was the first piece in what should have been a great setting. The combat and dungeon design, on the other hand, were a massive slog. I also found that most of the martial classes to be bland, primarily because they were allergic to giving them more active use abilities that felt meaningful in combat.
>>750266089Also helps that New Vegas is 1000x a better game than Dragon Age and has a ton of actual RPG content beyond lockpicking the occasional door or having a persuade/intimidate check.
>>750266183stop being an obtuse fucktard
Name 5 games with a better questline than the landsmeet
>>750266089steam charts are fantastic, they're a great way to expose what games are actually popular and what games are for posers
>>750265535>>750265802BOTH the Fade and Deep Roads were pure fucking kinoPeople just don't get it, literal plebs. Shit taste incarnate
"real-time" with pause is just chaotic nonsense. When playing on max difficulty I was microing everything and slamming that pause button every "turn" anyway. It's just not fun to play.
>>750266314Not an argument. The point is that DA and PF are essentially the same thing with their simplistic encounters and click-drag + right click combat design, you just add slightly more modifiers in PF.
>>750266343They are, but people fundamentally lack any sort of critical thought towards why those numbers are the way they are, for example: anything to do with single player games having low current/24 hr peak counts. For multiplayer games and freshly released SP games it's easy, but anything outside of that tends to expose the majority of retard posters that don't understand anything other than "number low/high."
>>750265802To be fair, this is pretty much just standard wizard gameplay except more tedious.
>>750266425STANDING
>>750266469Didn't beat the game award
DA:O was always very overrated. It's OK. By far the best Dragon Age but that's not saying much
>Lothering > Warden's Keep > Circle of Magi > Stone Prisoner > Redcliffe > Urn of Sacred Ashes > Return to Ostagar > Orzammar > Brecillian Forest > Denerim
>>750266198I do think it’s weird that every race had at least 2 origins, but for a human, you were either a noble or a mage with no third option.
>>750266803Human Commoner was cut, you were meant to start in Redcliffe.
>>750262119No, at the time it was ugly, cheap-looking and had boring gameplay like Jade Empire and what not. It was no Baldur's Gate successor. Maybe if you were a console tard this was considered a masterpiece, but on PC it was a joke.
>>750266496if it's a good single player game, people will keep playing it
>>750267039a masterclass, I applaud you.
>>750267119spergs just can't handle it when the numbers reveal they're an obnoxious minority
>>750261701I'm like the opposite, I overlooked this gem for way too long
>>750264969Cope
>>750266904All lies. There are no better looking PC RPG in the 00's than DA and ME.
>>750266803>Human: noble, mage>Elf: commoner, daelish, mage >Dwarf: commoner, nobleIt's more than elves are weird for having 3, no?
>>750265802The deep roads were peak wtf are you talking about? The amount of fucking darkspawn to slaughter was fairly easy, the fade is just fucking boring as shit
Look I remember playing this game and the Mass Effect titles back on my 360 and yeah I liked them but I was a dumb teenager with little experience with RPGs at the time. I don't see how you can still rate these games unless you never branched out and tried stuff from Owlcat, CDPR, Obsidian, Larian, Troika, Black Isle etc Bioware are for my money the worst of the big CRPG developers, they were shallow and trite and very YA
>>750267039>>750267209Games like Undertale have sold tens of millions and yet have very weak steamcharts in comparison to games like BG3, Witcher or Cyberpunk.Steamcharts in general only became a tried and true method once steam's popularity went through the roof around covid, and it's best used as a popularity test for newly released games.Witcher 3 has very good replayability and each playthrough lasts a significant amount of time so it'll always end up with good numbers, same with BG3.You can compare it to something like E33 which also sold tens of millions but doesn't have as much replayability
>>750266604Again, not an argument. Not sure why it's so difficult for you to accept that Owlcat's PF games are quite similar to DA games and only carry a superficial layer of complexity. After all, they are both very clearly building on the BG games.
>>750267209How retardet are you? Nobody is playing morrowind via steam. You download it there and open it in openMW. That number is actually insane. Fucking retards. Half of the posters in this thread should hang them self
>>750267741>>750267996small minorities always shriek the loudest
I admit I bought the 360 version after playing Mass Effect and I got filtered. Does the game have great side quests and story? All I've really seen is >muh witch romance
>>750261701Baby's first RPG
>>750261701The only thing that bothered me, to no ones surprise is THE FADE, and the fact that higher difficulties were a micro managing nightmare because orders/actions that you can que up for your party members would often break and they would just end up standing there doing nothing in the middle of a fight.What I noticed that any type of knock down effect (on the enemy) would stop my party members from attacking their target.Inqusition had similar problems.
>>750268228>Does the game have great side questsnot really>storyit's okay, typical bioware plot
>>750268317Then uh, great exploration?
Does anybody really like RtwP or is it one of those things CRPG gamers have stockholm syndrome for?
>>750268317It absolutely has good side quests. If you are just beelining for the main story you are missing out on a ton of good content.
I've always found it to be mediocre. Maybe it's because I'm an old boomer and it released when I was like 22 years old and had played actually good Bioware games as a kid, so I went in with too high expectations or something, I don't know. It didn't help that the cashier at Gamestop told me if I loved BG I'd drop hundreds of hours into the game, which got me hyped but never happened.
>>750268448>It absolutely has good side questsI don't remember many? I remember there being those side quests on the notice board when you have to kill some goons or gather some items, MMORPG busy work type stuff
>>750268542>I was like 22That's the problem. This was aimed at kids that just started with genre.
>>750261701baby's first CRPGit was made for consolefags who don't actually like CRPGs, like BG3
>>750261701Came out during a massive RPG drought.
>>750263732It wasn't on Steam until many years after launch, you fake wannabe oldfag.
>>750268542>>750268669BG and DA are virtually the same, get over yourself.
>>750269631Baldur's Gate isn't cringe
>>750269674Yes it is. Honestly it's arguably even more childish than DA.
>>750269984Baldur's gate has 90s charm, Dragon Age feels like a bland corporate product
>>750270061Stop parroting lebased youtubers, you sound like a tool.
>>750261701>Fun setting, doesn't insist upon itself, it's pretty obviously inspired by LOTR and England-France history.>Strong companion cast, Alistair is basically one of earliest examples of sarcastic/wisecracker/jestermaxxing companion that later got copied by everyone and became soulless as hell. Morrigan and Leliana romance wars, both waifu have a lot of appeal and great characters and catfights with each other. If you want to cut out the noise, you can also bring a warrior autist like Sten and your war hound and go on adventures with them killing everyone you see. Your companions actually feel like real people, Leliana is religious and lightly insane, Morrigan is an asocial witch raised by a psychopath hiding her insecurity with narcissism and a barbed tongue. Wynne is wise and dignified and well-spoken. The elf is a zesty slimy rogue. And you have companions for both evil and good choices that make you feel good.>Really impressive cutscenes and amount of dialogue options and choice and consequence.>Unique aesthetic approach, that's kinda even weird but never really replicated anywhere else and sort of draws in ways from original BG1/BG2 artstyle but in 3D.>Complex enough to have fun replayability, but linear enough to feel like a comfort game and not stress you like Owlcat shit.
>>750270240What?
Dragon Age feels like if Joss Whedon attempted to write a DnD campaign, there's something really cringe about it
>>750263428no one cares about this shit in a game all about the narrative, anon
>>750270684>game all about the narrative>Most of the game is combat???????
>>750261701The gameplay is excellent. RTWP is the perfect iteration on turnbased combat. and you can freely control your entire team.Sounds like a genuine skill issue on your end.
>>750263428Nigger, DAO does have Swarms and Grease. And you can ignite the grease to make a grease fire combo with several different aoe fire affects. (including existing torches in the enviornment)You do just suck.
>>750269674I can't even finish BG3 because the entire cast does not deserve to be helped. The NPCs are even worse.
>>750269674And another thing. Baldur's Gate is inherently cringe because it is based on DnD. aka the amalgamation of every single idea a group of theatre kids threw out, no filter, no idea rejected. There are like 5 different pantheons, aliens, vampires, small floating elephant things. Nothing in the world is coherent or connected together. But they all coexist anyway just so that your special roleplay idea isn't rejected. Dragon Age blows BG out of the water simply by being one cohesive world.
>>750273543?????Where the fuck is it? I've played the game twice (never finished it) but I was close to doing so.
>>750274680There and there. You can use grease traps and fire grenades too for a non-spell user to get that effect. You should've finished it. It has an epic ending, but you might not get it if you didn't like the story. Oh, you don't like the fighting either, nevermind. There is a war at the end.
>>750261701I love Pathfinder games but FUCK NO they dont have better gameplay than DAO. Both spell/combat combos and combat encounters is miles better in Origins.
>>750275421Okay, I was wrong about greaseAnd by swarms I meant enemies that are immune to a certain type of damage. In particular, I was referring to Kingmaker where in one of the first side quests you face swarms enemies that are completely immune to any weapon and require aoe damage. Later on there were trolls that required acid damage, as well as a few other types of enemies that required cold-iron weapons. Larian DOS also had similar elements in some places.In DOA though I honestly don't remember a single enemy that ever forced me to change my tactics or damage type.>>750276273Really? I find the spells and skills to be very boring and basic, and 90% of encounters are literally just fights in empty hallways. Even Pathfinder had more going for it, with all those fairies in Kingmaker and demons in Wotr, especially Wotr on high difficulty, which lets enemies use every spell they know.
>>750263428Skill issue, and you definitively played it on game journalist mode.In hard mode there is friendly fire so is necessary to pause, think and give orders, otherwise they kill each other with AOE damage. That gives it the charm of turn based games.
Playing this now (GOG) version, is the fixpack recommended? How about a respec mod?
>>7502795534GB patch is required. Respec is pretty lame. A bit of commitment to your build is part of it. but I guess if its your first time it will be pretty useful.
>>750279745Does the GOG version not come with the 4GB patch?
>>750262156Accurately summed up. The gameplay is shit, too.I also remember that the main (?) female character was un unlikeable cunt (Morrigan or something?) and proto-simp fawned on /v/.
>>750261701being "highly rated" just means that it's shit that retarded nigger tettiary casuals like because it placates their dislike of actually playing videogames and gives them a nigger minstrel show spectacle so that they don't have to use their fucking smooth simian peabrains
>>750261701Like BG3, aimed as 'a deep RPG' for normies on consolesOf cousre it's shit just like BG3 is and just as unfinished but still popular with retards
>>750280259That's all retarded but the real issue is you trying to badmouth Morrigan. She's the best romance in any game.
>playing Awakening>architect section when he gives your gear to his freak minions>can't loot my gear from his minions>reload>happens again>uninstall
>>750261701Naw it's not bad, just generic. Just like the story and characters. It was excruciatingly mediocre in every respect. People overuse the word soulless, but this is the best example. Just a generic paint-by-numbers bioware rpg experience with nothing interesting of note
>>750261701
>>750261701>>750262119thisit aged like shit
>>750281081>romancePart of the problem. It's gay.
>>750282349It's straight actually. No wonder you don't like it, you reject basic reality.
