>If you steal shits because you don't like the way a company operates, then you are the bad guy here and not companyBros...How do we even refute Japanese gamers?
>How do we even refute Japanese gamers?We don't, we just nuke them a third time.
>>750273620>the natural mutt response to anything he doesn't agree with or understand (so 99% of things) is to kill itexporters of freedom btw
Not being a corpo slave? We don't do that in Japan!
they're so cucked when it comes to pirating its actually astonishingI don't even think there's a law there that is actively enforced when it comes to pirating but you'll have a bunch of the nips riling up drama whenever some jap eceleb or whatever gets caught pirating but you never hear any news about them actually getting arrested or fined
>>750273510>How do we even refute Japanese gamers?Remind them that they are little bitches who took two nukes up the ass and said thank you afterward.
>How do we even refute Japanese gamers?Point them to the nearest US base.
>>750273510>if there's a reason, does it make it ok to kill someoneyes, of coursehow is this even a question.Maybe in the original japanese it's worded "is it ok to murder" but written "is it ok to kill", well yes, I can think of lots of situations where it's ok to kill. Even in japan there's self defense laws.Not to mention I guarantee they're ok with killing if it's the state telling them to do it.
>>750273510Stop posting Twitter / X screenshots, coward
>>750273510Piracy is a service problem.
>>750273620>>750273872>>750274028US law enforcements are willfully cooperate with Japanese in cracking down on piracy btwNot even your own countrys on your side holy smokes
>>750274247Businesses in both countries would literally steal money from people if they could so fuck them
>>750273510What a brainlet. There is such a thing as justified killing.
>>750273510I've always thought the Japanese were at least a little intelligent than their western counterparts. While I understand nostalgia, why do they fail to understand a different perspective? Their arguments are quite literally retarded
why aren't twitter screenshot threads an instant ban
>>750274567That's what happens when you spend half a millennia locked in your own little world.
>>750273510>If there's a reason, does that make it okay to kill someone?So these are the faggots keeping that shitty 'if you kill him you are just as le bad' trope alive. Grim.
>>750273510Crazy, the japs are like 25 years in the past when it comes to debating piracy.Dont worry, nipplenekogaijinsama, you'll get there one day
>>750274810No, the western scene never had piracy discussion like this to begin with. I've heard that it's mostly older boomer nips talking about piracy like this, but I don't know how true that it.Anywhere here's a wall of text talking about book piracy because I didn't know what else to append to this post.
>>750274567Being intelligent doesn't mean being openminded.
>>750273510Well yes if Theres a reason you do kill somebody. Truly 150iq
>>750274057The Japanese mind is cucked. They're a collective hivemind not unlike the Chinese they just got lucky the Portuguese got there as early as they did.
>>750273510>If there's a reason, does that make it okay to kill someone?I don't want to hear this from someone living in a country where capital punishment still exists. Japanese people are literally fine with killing as long as the government is the one doing it.
>human analogyFalse equivalence. A publicly traded company is not a person. They should not be treated or seen as a living person. People may work for a company, but the company itself is not a person. It does not have a soul. It does not have a heart or emotions. It does not hold compassion for anyone. The company is a conceptual machine that only lives to make as much money as possible by any means necessary and will even break the law to do so if it thinks it can get away with it. They should not be trusted, praised or shown any amount of love or loyalty, as they will exploit anything and everything to make a profit.
>>750275384>A publicly traded company is not a personFor a jap, it might as well be.
>>750273510>if there's a reason, does that make it okay to kill someone?Yes, there are plenty>self defense>to prevent theft>to prevent trespassing>to protect your children
>>750275154>They're a collective hivemindIsn't that the right wing dream? No diversity of thought, of race, of anything. Adherence to tradition and social norms. Following their religion for morality. This website should be siding with the Japanese.
Pirating out of spite is gay.
>>750275719>Isn't that the right wing dream?Nope, the right actually has more diversity of thought than the left's "if you're not with us you're against us" mindset, it's why the left keep eating their own.
>>750274983This is Neil being an apologist as you do lose the copyrights if you don't defend it. He has to suck up to them as the overall industry has dipped
>>750274983>a wall of text talking about book piracyIt's easy for succesfull people like Rape Gayman to claim something like "piracy helped". He's not going to lose his mansion over it.Same deal with someone like Notch. Definitely won't care if you pirate Minecraft.But there ARE a lot of devs who do care, and to them it matters that their games actually get sold, and not just pirated. It's part money, part morality. (The japs are mostly in this camp.)
>>750275890But right wing wants everyone to be Christian, no one to be gay or have tattoos or colored hair, want everyone to have traditional jobs, want women to stay in the kitchen while the man is the provider, and basically want society to have very strict rules just like the Japanese. No wonder Japan has always been governed by a right wing party exclusively.
>>750273510"nooooo stop harming the innocent billionaires" -_-
>>750276048have you considered simply not being a filthy sodomite?
>>750276114You want me to conform to your ideals then? Isn't that proving my point?
>>750274247law enforcement have never been on "your side" unless you're a pedophile politician, terrorist, people trafficker or royalty (see UK lately for details)
>>750276193>You want me to conform to your ideals then?i want you dead actually, but i'm not the one who decides
>>750276048I think like that minus the gay and women part, bet for your standards I'm still far right.
>>750276243>follow my rules and think like I do or die!Exactly like the Japanese """hivemind"""
>>750276360dude all i'm asking is for you to not be a shitdick fag, how is this too much to ask?
>>750276014The point is that people get sales even despite piracy, sometimes because of it.
>>750275982He said this in 2011
>>750276471I'm just trying to understand why the Japanese following religious morality, following rules, being less diverse... makes then a bugmen hivemind when that's exactly what people like you want. Even now when you say>all i'm asking is for you to not be a shitdick fagYou're frustrated that someone else doesn't share your values and want them to conform. You'd get closer to your wish if society was more like Japan
>>750276482So it's okay for me to steal, as long as someone (else) keeps buying?I don't personally share that philosophy, and I think it's curious how many "gamers" try to justify their piracy by saying that surely someone else will buy it, so it doesn't matter!
>>750273510This is the ideal goylem form. You may not like it but it's peak cattle behavior. America spent 2 nukes domesticating the Nips into being servile in nature. They will defend all gaming companies with their lives. They won't even get a PC because it's where the evil piracy hides.
>>750276048I'm right wing and I don't want those things. I'm also pro drugs and abortion (but only for black people or retards).The difference is the Western right wing is a lot more tolerant of others while the Japanese hivemind isn't.>No wonder Japan has always been governed by a right wing party exclusively.I could say the same about China being ruled by a communist government exclusively. I'm not sure why you're making this about politics when it is very clearly a genetics issue.
>>750276715piracy isn't stealing anyway lmao
>LOOK MOM I MADE THE THREAD AGAIN!Hourly shart-bot thread
>>750276730I'm talking about people in this board crying about shit like DEI on one hand, then calling Asians bugmen on the other when Asians are the extreme opposite of DEI and in many ways doing exactly what anti-DEI people want. China is a good example too.
>>750274567I don't think you are intelligent when you take xitter posts at face value.
>>750276715It's not ok to steal, but it also can't be ignored that piracy has led to stronger sales in a lot of documented situations. Anime and manga's entire western market can be directly traced from piracy.
>>750276715Except it's not stealing and you're just trying to be a moralfag on his high horse to try and feel better than others simply because you can't get pussy. Do better retard.
>>750277151So? Are we supposed to shut the fuck up about bad ideas or that means we want to become a hivemind? Why can't we not be a hivemind and criticize bad ideas?
>>750277220>Anime and manga's entire western market can be directly traced from piracy.Sure - because that stuff wasn't legally available, at all. But if it HAD been, would it have been LESS of a success? Of course not.Piracy will always be evil, and that's why rightsholders are fighting against it.
>>750273620>>750273872Americans talking about nuking japan like 80 years ago like it makes them superior considering how cucked your people are to Japan now is really funnyYeah you nuked them but you also made them a fucking powerhouse in multiple industries by buying all their shit lolJapan is literally a better country AND you guys are obsessed with them culturally.
>>750273510>If there's a reason, does that make it okay to kill someone?Unironically yes. Even their own government still kills prisoners.
>>750273510>Why are companies the bad guys lol
>>750273510Copyright in civilized countries is ostensibly meant to encourage creating new media (it mostly just allows publishers to have a monopoly, consolidate and fuck over authors), if respecting copyright leads to the destruction of media, then it is not fulfilling its stated purpose and should be ignored in favor of the more important laws that it is abridging like freedom of speech and the press.>>750274247The USA is a shithole that stopped being a republic because it no longer follows a ratified constitution. They're ignoring the limitations that the copyright clause imposes on the laws congress can pass out of sheer supreme court fiat.They abused the situation of international copyright to constantly ratchet their copyright law into an abomination.>>750274983Copyright was a shitty French law that did the exact opposite of what it set out to do and only benefited publishers who could now demand more money per book, but it's obviously never going to get rolled back because it helps government censorship.>>750275982You do not, this is trademark and your post is disinfo.>>750276014Piracy generally won't hit inside your target audience unless you are really bad at selling things. And if piracy hits outside your target audience, then that's FREE MARKETING and boost discovery of your other work. How do you think these people became successful? They're not default successful.>>750276715You're not stealing anything, your actions have no negative impact whatsover but can have second order positive consequences.
>>750277546>But if it HAD been, would it have been LESS of a success?Yes and this can be demonstrated with the rise of manga in the west. Until tokyopop popularized releasing localizations that had little to no edits to great success, many publications struggled to sell manga and many readers preferred pirated copies that were for the most part superior to official localizations.
I don't get why they dislike emulation.It offers free marketing and community building in the longterm, bolstering a franchise's reach.Even in the worst case scenario where a developer loses out on a sale, having greater access to the game means more people posting about it, with more obsessed people building the games clout online. Even in situations where it is a financial issue and poor people can't buy it, this actually strengthens the argument for emulation, as the business never potentially lost a sale, they just increased their marketing team for free. This doesn't even take into account modding and romhacking communities that spread out from emulation, bringing in even more interest.The final anti-emulation argument asks states, "If everyone did it, then businesses would get no sales." At that point, however, this is a distribution problem, not an issue of cost or malevolence. If a bunch of people are emulating their game, then they want to play it, the question then is, why didn't they put in the effort to go through the proper channels? The developer would have to ask themselves where they failed to properly deliver their product to their audience, such that people would rather go to obscure hobbyist websites to download it rather that get it directly from the creator.Emulation is a net positive for the games industry. It's free marketing, makes creative sub-communities, and promotes a virtuous cycle for positive attention for the developer and their works.
>>750273510Actually alot of japs have learned about EA and have decided it's okay to pirate from western companies because the devs don't actually get Amy money from purchasing the game.And then there's the 40+ old otakus who have always been pirating but keep that shit on the download cause illegal.
>>750278239>Copyright was a shitty French law that did the exact opposite of what it set out to doIn theory I think copyright is fine, just like patents are, the problem is how long it lasts. Also it originated in England as far as I know, not France.
>>750278279Bad translations are a different can of worms, which belong to some other discussion.>>750278239>You're not stealing anything>your actions have no negative impact whatsoverIf I steal something from you, but you won't notice or miss it, does it make it okay?
>>750278398>I don't get why they dislike emulation. It offers...You're providing a consequentialist point of view when talking morality. Thing good because it leads to good outcome. The Japanese are going for a deontologist approach. Thing is good or bad in a vacuum, the consequences of thing are secondary. You're talking past each other. By the way, philosophers don't have a consensus and both approaches have flaws.
>>750278581Improper analogy as piracy does not remove anything from the game studio it would be more like.>if I create a exact replica of something you have but don't care about and never reveal it to anyone is that morally okay?
>>750273510The market exists to serve the needs of the people, people do not exist to serve the needs of the market.
>>750278581You're presuming that the dev was owed that sale to begin with. The vast majority of pirates just wouldn't have played the game if piracy wasn't an option. And a lot of those people are going to buy the game, or future games from the dev, if they liked the pirated copy. I know because I'm like that, without piracy existing I doubt I'd have spent 1/10th of the money I have on videogames.
>>750273510The Japanese are a very matter-of-fact people. They don't fall for most Western leftist nonsense because that stuff requires you to think outside the box. They see leftists make video game girls ugly and think, "Why wouldn't you want girls to be cute?" They see white guilt cucks crying about needing to give brown people free stuff and think, "Why don't they just go earn it?" Their thought process is so obvious and concrete, they can't wrap their heads around all this social justice or progressive nonsense.That's also why they're so baffled by piracy. Stealing is a crime. Trying to justify piracy requires jumping through hoops and they don't do that. Any pirate claiming that what they do is morally right is simply a sophist. Piracy is wrong, you just don't want to pay for the game. Which is fine, I don't want to pay for things either, but don't pretend you're not the bad guy here - you absolutely are.There are Japanese people who pirate and steal and hack their games, but they don't fucking announce it on social media. That'd be retarded. It's not a socially accepted thing and shouldn't be. I'm a lolicon but I'm not spamming loli porn on xitter, are you crazy? Normalizing that behavior would be a bad thing because normalfags will get into it and ruin everything. We're supposed to be the underbelly of society, not in the spotlight.
>>750278838>And a lot of those peopleI highly doubt that. Pirates always justify their kleptomania by saying that they wouldn't have bought it anyway.Yet they somehow still feel entitled to get the experience for free...
>>750278581>Bad translations are a different can of wormsI'm not talking about bad translations. I'm talking about things like flipping the pages around for a more traditional left-to-right western format or translating onomatopoeia so that readers can actually read what sounds are being made. Most readers actually prefer sounds to be kept untranslated, as it turns out.And this very situation mirrors what's going on here. It's a well known fact that people who regularly play fighting games online prefer rollback over delay-based netcode, so an old game now having it has naturally brought their attention. There are most likely people who've never played Tekken 6 before who are now interested in buying it officially because of this attention.
>StealPirating a game is not stealingAdditionally, if the video game is not officially available on a specific device (incl PC) then the company has already decided they're not interested in the business of users of that device, making complaints about piracy on that device entirely irrelevant
>>750279097There have been multiple studies done into the effects of piracy on sales and the result is always that the impact ranges from negligible to positive
>I hate this game so I will pirate itWhat is the logic behind this? I wouldn't watch a shitty movie even if I got it for free.
>>750279370seeing how bad something is can be fun
>>750276730Anyone who claims to be pro-drug and right wing is a humongous fuckwit. Enjoy your Seattle/Portland/Philadelphia tier hellscapes, you degenerate retard.
>>750279621That sounds like an American problem.
>>750279296And somehow every corporation is still unaware of them? Or unwilling to believe in them?Or could it be that the studies are actually flawed? Hmm!
>>750278739That's a good insight. Thank you for clarifying.From what I understand, I to persuade them I would have to argue that emulation is good in a vacuum then?I don't agree with the Deontologist approach as it opens up the question of how to determine good or bad in a vacuum without starting with a fiat declaration and reasoning from there.
>>750280764>without starting with a fiat declaration and reasoning from there.Yeah, that's the thing. I think for Kant himself you start with God. I think from the Japanese point of view it's a mix of tradition, the state and religion. I'm more of a virtue ethics guy and have no idea how to convince a deontologist.
>>750273675How mad does that make you?
>>750280934>I'm more of a virtue ethics guy and have no idea how to convince a deontologist.For this topic, I'd like to try.A piece of art is constructed for two reasons: the creator finds joy in creation, or the creator creates so that others may enjoy the creation.If the former is true then the Japanese should be content in the creator creating. Emulation would be neutral in this case because it does not affect whether the creator creates.If the latter is true, then the Japanese should be happy that a creation is being shared, as the creation fulfilled its purpose in reaching more people. Emulation would be good in this case, as it assists in fulfilling the purpose of art in this case.So either Emulation is neutral or good, but never bad.
>>750273510I agree with the jap but support pirating. No need to justify it. I like free games.
>>750280720The correct answer is "D) They willingly ignore them"
>>750281390No one on this site actually read it. It is a worthless study based on surveys.
>>750280720Corporations are retarded >vnr
>>750277662Anon Japan is completely unsustainable. If we left them to their own devices, they'd fall to anarchy within a week. Hell, just the mere threat of tariffs from Trump killed their economy for a month and drove seppuku rates up
>>750280720Nigger one of them was literally commissioned by EA and they tried to bury it because it went against their narrative, until they were forced to release it by the EU iirc
>>750281445You sya that about every single study that doesnt agree with your narrative. It's cute.>>750281754>until they were forced toNo it's worse. They legit shoved the study into a far corner in a bookshelf somewhere and forgot about it. The reason we know about it at all is sheer dumb luck that someone found it
>>750274637Because it's now called X :^)
>>750281896Anon, that is what the study was. It was a bunch of surveys. The study found that other media is affected by piracy but video games magically arent. The study was based on responses to survey questions. It cost a whopping $400k for a reason. It basically was someone's nephew getting paid to keep busy. But keep citing it as if it legitimate. It got ignored for a reason
>>750280720>Or could it be that the studies are actually flawed? Hmm!BTW, the ONE study that says Denuvo works was written by a former Denuvo employee looking at nothing but surveys and news articles (since he couldnt get any official sales reports). And it doesnt take the costs of Denuvo contracts into account. AND he had to limit the release window scope to just a month after release because past that point he couldnt reach hard enough to connect anything But Im sure you'd say that's a perfectly trustworthy and well structured study ;)
>>750282127The study was sponsored by the EU and the megacorps trying to prove Piracy causes harm. I dont know why you constantly forget to disclose this conflict of interest
>>750282127"ignored" and "shelved" are two different things anon
>>750282127>It got ignored for a reasonIt wasnt ignored, it was BLOCKED. Your damage control is absolutely adorable. "It was just a bunch of surveys!" of a bunch of people in the closed loop that still didnt prove anything. It's cited as a failure of corporates trying their absolute hardest to push a biased study to support their greed, miserably failing, and quietly locking it away so nobody would ever see it.
>>750276048I consider myself somewhat "right wing">wants everyone to be Christian, No. Christianity is a failure of a religion, a mutant remnant of the decaying Late Roman Empire. We need a new religion to replace it, one that is resistant to Christianity's objective failure points, a religion of our own people, with no tie to any desert sand peoples.>no one to be gay Yes. Faggotry should be driven out of society. >or have tattoos or colored hairTattoos and unnatural hair colors are ugly on women. Women have a duty to make themselves as beautiful as possible.On men, in and of themselves they aren't a problem, but they signal membership in the group of trash people.>want everyone to have traditional jobs, No. This is where I break from "the right". Work for work's sake is stupid.>want women to stay in the kitchen while the man is the provider, Yes, men and women should have separate roles in society. Men should rule, women should serve.Ideally there should only be two professions for women: 1) Wife/Mother 2) Whore. Society needs both. Class 1 women as virgin brides for men to reproduce and bear children with, class 2 women for recreational purposes, as rewards for men who serve society.>and basically want society to have very strict rules just like the JapaneseA little stricter than now on certain things, but in a different manner.
>>750282580That's all very nice but since women can make six figures streaming playing video games from bed and divorce any time for any reason and almost always be awarded the kids and savings, you really have no leg to stand on whatsoever and the 1950s fantasy is just a cute fanfic. Nobody has any real answers to those either besides "uh just pretend like its still the 1950s even harder"
Brown looping thread
>>750273675What did japan do to korea, Indonesia, and china?
>>750273510>If there's a reason, does that make itokay to kill someone?Does Japan not have a self-defense exception for its murder statutes?
>>750276048How do pakis do it, man...
>>750284441>muh warcrimesIrrelevant to this shit, that's the weakest argument you could bring. Fucking hell this thread is putrid garbage.
>>750277546It very much would've been.Anime spread through sharing, the internet just made that sharing happen faster.
>>750273510I like Japanese people but they are incredibly fucking autistic about piracy and ease-of-access to games/anime/manga. Many don't realize that you can't even purchase their products without a Japanese bank account or credit card.
>>750273510they're rightbut since /v/ is filled with browns they will justify stealing like the poor low iq retards they are
