I don't particularly like the guy but Timmy kind of has a point here. Why not have devs do a DEI disclosure notice too. It would be far more relevant to the actual game experience.
>>750273953Timmy buys houses and cars like a kid buys candy but I'm supposed to be mad about Gaben donating yachts to science?
>>750273953I thought AI was just a tool and they were proud to be pioneers of it? What happened, where's the pride an all? Own the luddite, do it.
i have anti-SI fatigue
>>750273953>>750274068>>750274135>>750274231
>>750273953>called Workman>doesn't have a real job
>>750273953Tim seriously can't pick a lane>AI isn't a big deal>NOOOOO DONT MAKE ME TELL PEOPLE I USED AIif you want to use AI, fine, but don't expect me to give you full MSRP on a hackjob
>>750274524Steam and Valve lives rent free in his head, always trying to punch above his own league.
>>750274135It's funny how much they like to gloat about AI but the minute you tell them to disclose it they throw a shit fest
I can't wait for this bubble to pop and watch all these fuckers genuinely die because they hinged the entire fucking global economy on this scam
>>750274465Is that Akuma?
>>750274465Why don't zoomers know how to format webcomics?
This information is for consumers, not for developers. Consumers want the tool, so the store offers it.I know that a concept like this is hard to understand when corporations have essentially taken over and even dictate the laws, but serving consumers (rather than corporations), should be the guiding principle of all stores.
>>750274640Theyre Indians, they switch between delusional gloating and pitiful begging on a dime
>>750274640it's funny how much you can supposedly instantly see slop but need a disclosure from the dev.
AI disclosures are dumb because either it sucks or it doesn't. It doesn't matter if AI was used.
Anyone who has a meltdown when you ask them to not be sneaky probably doesn't deserve your money or attention.
>developersThe AI you mean?That doesn't have feelings
Its crazy how Valve can do one thing like psychologically and emotionally torture their CS2 fanbase with choosing to keep a chicken alive or get a free skin, but also be this incredibly based with their consumers in this way. It's hard not to love them in the year 2026
>>750275750>>750275758I'd like the option to filter
>>750275810>psychologically and emotionally torture their CS2 fanbaseI'm okay with this. No conditionals.
>>750275750I can instantly see gay shit in games, too. But I want them to tag it appropriately so I can easily filter it out, just like I want with AI slop.
>>750275810people who play CS deserve to be tortured
>>750275819you can filter already. simply make your list empty if you want games where AI wasn't used for development in any capacity.
>>750275901Oh, you’re doing the “performative disingenuous retard” thing. Carry on.
>>750275901that's fine I still want the tag
>>750275469Consumers don't matter, chud.
>>750276010When's the last time you almost bought a game and a tag said it was gay and that's what stopped you? Get real you weren't interested in the games to begin with, the tags don't matter.
All of the over 9000 """games""" at SlopFest were made by the same one developer: SI
>>750275819While I am fine with AI in game development (It isn't going to go away), I do agree luddites should be allowed to filter it.
Stop with the pilpul and own your AI usage, it's that simple. Let the work speak for itself.
>>750276017Imagine if every store page had "Valve receives 30% of every sale of this game"
>>750273953Forcing food companies to list ingredients is abhorrent someone might steal their recipe and it costs them money to make the packaging. Health nuts might use the ingredient list to campaign against them for being heavily processed.
>>750276058Within the last week, when someone posted some anthro game but it was tagged with LGBTQ garbage because the game was mostly barafur slop instead of cute furry girls. The system works.
>>750276058Don't worry about what I do
>>750276058He wants to filter the games precisely because he's not interested in them. Are you retarded?
>>750273953>Why not have devs do a DEI disclosure notice too.
>>750276245Oh so you're retarded and need to be protected from yourself. That's your problem not everyone else's. >>750276284Then stop talking about it publicly.
>>750273953So is AI a big deal or not?
"AI is a tool!""AI is political!" Which is it?
>>750276350There should also be a "CEO is a white dude" disclaimer
>>750275452They are too illiterate to even read comics/manga.
>>750276240Fucking food analogy and it even isn't a proper comparison. Go to school kid.
>>750273953>ai tools was usednot giving money to slopgen OR low iq retardsTHANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION
>>750276407I don't think that would work out the way you think it would
Year 8 of the Epic Game Store emorraging money
>>750276462IQ chart meme about food analogies with midwits (you) getting angry over them while both the dumb and geniuses (me) alike love them
>>750273953that's pretty based but he abandoned unreal tournament so he's still faggot.
>>750273953As a customer I want to be able to filter out the shit that is 99% likely to be pure slop, is it really too much to ask?
>>750276670if someone told me a store that literally gave away free games constantly was failing, I'd assume that its an unbelievably shitty store
>>750276067Shart Idiocy.
>>750273953>Consumers tell you they want AI disclosure>Get mad and just accuse them of being luddites and racists and woke mobsters instead of accepting that is what the people who give you money wantThis is why EGS will literally never be anything more than the Fortnite launcher lol.>BUT FREE GAMESGiving away old games for free is not very enticing to people as we have come to actually see. Free shit works on people who have nothing else, and guess what? People who rely on free games to play stuff are not paying customers.
>>750276407How about "ceo is a jew", Mr shlomo, wouldn't that be great?
>H-heh AI disclosures wouldn't matter anyhow because everyone uses AI>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THIS IT WILL DESTROY AI DEVELOPERSOkay so basically you're lying about one of these huh. Gee I wonder which one?
>>750276897>the people who give you moneyI don't think that's ever been the case
>>750277104Where do you get the money if not from customers?
>>750277213In this case? UE licences and fortnite kids who certainly don't care about AIslop
Riddle me this, AIfags. If it's so easy to make an AI game, why would I spend money on yours when I could make my own?
>>750277294And that is why the EGS will never be a proper storefront that competes with Steam. They exist as a launcher for fortnite and that is it.
>>750277301Well if you could then why aren't you?
>>750277392Agreed. I don't think they even give out any good free games nowadays
>>750277436Because AI games are worthless and I only seek to make things of value.
>>750276017This is why people hate AIfags. Not AI itself, but the people who try to be subversiive with it.
especially as indie dev, using AI is career suicide. nobody will ever want to support your project and nobody with talent and positive reputation will never want anything to do with you since you're a known slopper.
>>750277550What are you making of value, then?
>>750276698Yes it is. Because what will happen is that most will use AI anyway and just not disclose it. Only suckers will admit they used AI since it will cost sales. How do you police it? Have an inspector look at every indie dev's computer and browser history to make sure they never used AI?
>>750273953I do believe opinions on AI will eventually change. I don't mean tomorrow. I don't mean next week. I think in like 5-10 years AI coding programs will be so widespread and sophisticated that basically everyone will use them.I don't know if AI generated art, music, writing, or other customer facing things will ever gain acceptance. I think most average people would prefer the stuff they see be made by a human, and even if they don't necessarily care I think that AI art has a serious problem that it still all looks the same and has for years at this point. It gets better at hands. It gets better at feet. It stops giving people 3 legs. It is always instantly identifiable as AI. I think that the future of "AI games" is that a brunt of the coding work was done with AI-Assisted tools and that art is ultimately made by people, though it is possible that AI will be used for concept art or first passes of elements that are then drawn over or redone by a person.I don't think AI voice acting will ever take off, nor do I think AI writing will.
>>750277673Deliveries of food from distribution centers to grocery stores so that people can eat.
>>750277716By that logic I guess we shouldn't even have laws because gentlemen of certain melanin level will break them anyway
They don't need to disclose it if they used development tools, only if genAI slop ends up in the game
AI disclosure is not political unless you're a bad faith actor intentionally trying to derail a conversation by injecting your obsession with american identity politics
>>750277909A law you can't police is not a law. You want a tag that's basically a self-report. What benefit is there to following the rules here and disclosing AI use? And what are the risks you face for breaking this rule? Well, if you use AI and follow the rules you lose sales. If you use AI, break the rules, and get caught, people now know you used AI which you did anyway so whatever. What is the incentive here?
>>750277716whats the point paying to get you game on steam, failing to disclose the ai usage and then get sued for fraud by courts like eu?they can and will use ai to find if you used it
>>750278062>What is the incentive here?Not lying to your customers who clearly don't want to buy AI slop?
>>750278129>>750278160>get sued for fraud by courts like euThat's an issue for legit devs and big companies. But anon wants to filter the endless flood of AI slop. Most of it is made by small companies or a random Russian dude in a basement. If he gets caught, he will just create another account, change the slop game a little and upload again, flooding the store even more. Impossible to filter. What Valve should do is make it more expensive to put your game on the steam store, to discourage low effort mass uploads.
>>750273953Just don't disclose that you used AI. It's not against the rules. It's not illegal. Valve doesn't have a rule that says if you don't disclose AI, they will remove your game or cut your publisher page. There is literally no drawback to lying.>But people will find outWho gives a shit? If you tell them up-front, they'll be angry. Might as well lie if they'll be angry later, especially since 98% of gamers can't accurately identify AI in video games anyway.>But I canNo, you can't. You can point out egregious examples. You cannot accurately point out every game that used AI. The writers admitted to using early AI to help write lore logs for Far Cry 6 before the stigma, and nobody knew. Nobody noticed. It was just what people expected from Ubishit.Just don't tell anyone. You can even lie about it and say you didn't. There is no drawback. There is no punishment. There is no threat. Just be dishonest.
>>750278438Pretty much this
>at least 2 decades of being able to make games independently >UHHHH ERRRR URRRGGGH I NEEEEED TO PROOOOMPT
>>750277909Disclosing your AI usage is not a law. There is no legal basis behind it. There is no legal threat. It's not illegal to not disclose your AI usage. Valve doesn't even punish developers for using it incorrectly or not at all. It's an optional field. It does nothing.You are comparing optional AI disclosure to disrespecting codes and laws for preventing theft and rape and murder. You are terminally online. You've lost touch with reality.
>>750273953>Why not have devs do a DEI disclosure notice too.Because there is no clear definition what DEI is. It's the most retarded idea ever. According to morons who demand these trigger warnings, DEI is when the the game features black or gay NPCs or if there is a playable woman character.
>>750278438>Ubisoft writing is so bad that it was made with AI and people didn't notice because they thought it was just normal shitty ubisoft writingReal great advertisement for grok or whatever, bro.
>>750278608Then don't disclose it? Case closed.
>>750273953>say that everyone uses it>but it's absurd if you have to say that you used itCouldn't have come up with a better reason to avoid them like the plague.
>>750273953>forcing developers to be held accountable for their actions>zero political statements made, hinted at, nor even insinuated >supposed "hate mob" is being used as a bludgeon when its mere existence is in question>"helping [to] organize" said hate mob, which isn't a thingThis is just a sad and fucking pathetic thread. I'd put a noose on all of you, including myself, for even replying.
>AI disclosures are "political"FUCKING LMAO HAHAHAHAHThis is your fault /v/. He is pandering to the /v/ demographic by framing it like this.
>>750278438>there won't be punishmentbesides nobody buying your game anyway
>>750276017>saying that you used "AI">hate campaignHe's just a fucking retard now.
>>750277436I ask this to AI marketers here all the time and either get ignored or called indian, curious!
There was a Steam Curator group that did that but I think they got silenced for being too good at pointing out how wokeslop games are all downriver from hiring DEI consultancy firm grifters. Note that they get paid just based off how loudly they bitch on Twitter--it's literally not their problem if the games they sabotage sold or not.
>>750273953>Why not have devs do a DEI disclosure notice too.that is what kabrutus tried to do with "dei detector" and the freaks tried to ban him from the internet
lmao I thought chuds were pro-gatekeeping and now we have them bitch about ai disclosures?
>>750277718I think people will actually become more aginst certain things like ai voices, or videos. The upsides to such technologies are so limited, and the downsides are basicly society destroying. I get thr feeling ai companies have caught on to this and are pretty much only focusing on programming
>>750279123>There was a Steam Curator group that did that but I think they got silencedIt takes 1 minute to verify your retarded claim.https://store.steampowered.com/curator/44858017-Sweet-Baby-Inc-detected/
>>750278975people actually do go on small indie/solo project forums the moment they feel anything is AI (whether it is or isn't at this point anyway), and will mercilessly seethe about it. obviously if AAA company doesn't disclose it they don't care, still buying GTA6>>750279290things like AI upscaling has been mainstream for ages. don't tell anti-aifags what DLSS is.
AI disclosure without enforcement and punishment for games that don't do it is just a humiliation ritual for honest people.Games that got caught having AI generated assets and didn't have a disclaimer on their page still don't have one to this day and nothing happens. But the random retard solo dev who used AI to help with code gets paraded as an example of all that's wrong with gaming, while Expedition 33 receives every award in the world and sells 8 billion copies.
Where are the "omg people got laid off for making shitty games for a decade? unacceptable!" people to stand against AI, a tool which will undoubtedly result in 90% or more of all game devs being laid off if it becomes socially acceptable to use as the technology advances?
>>750279427I am pretty sure you can get refund if the AI was not disclosed.
>>750277716>well obviously the smart ones will lie and not get caught doing it+izzat
>>750273953Every single statement Tim makes shows how fucked we'd be if he were in charge instead of Gabe. He's just a profit obsessed weasel and doesn't care how bad things are for the players.
>>750279313The fact that so many people could believe they got silenced just proves how leftist Steam cucks shut down any criticism.
>>750279427it just proves AI outrage is entirely a politicized social media clickbait thing and they only target people they know they can bullyit's the same reason you don't have feminists coming to 4chan to call people sexist and racist. they don't care it's just an internet meme
>>750278954It IS political. Only lefties care about AI
>>750279419>>750279290Don't even think about using a spellchecker, chud.That's AI now.
>>750273953Bro is clawing at ANYTHING to try and besmirch Valve/Steam.It is like a woman that sucks at reputation destruction. Just sad.
>>750279756Bro I just don't want to buy your ai slop game. Sure, I cannot see the source code so I don't know if it was made by AI but I can pretty easily tell when art and other assets are. It is not political, lol. The thing is that as a consumer what benefit does AI give me?Before I got games coded by humans, written by humans, art drawn by humans, etc. Now all those humans get fired and replaced by AI but the games are more expensive and have DLC and in game premium cosmetics and a bunch of other bullshit.Why do you even care why I hold this opinion? I'm a consumer. I could decide to not buy your game because I think the MC looks too gay or not gay enough or because his hair is black or because his hair is not black.
If a game is good and enjoyable, why would I care if it was made by AI? How does it make it worse than it being made by jeets or millennial redditors?
>>750279290Programming is done too. Anthropic is actively trying to stop the fire from Reverse-Engineer-Anything
>>750279940That's his point. You're already buying AI slop. Almost everyone in the IT industry has some kind of slop subscription by now and uses it to work less. A bigger company doesn't disclose it because it wasn't something they ordered their employees to do, everyone is pretending it's all hand made.
Could you not simply just... not update your AI model? Like don't download whatever patch will remove the reverse engineering ability from your AI, and keep using it?
>>750279691>The fact that so many people could believeYou are not making anyone believe anything, Tim. SweetBaby Inc detected is the second most popular curator on steam.
>>750279940>but I can pretty easily tell when art and other assets are.They can use AI to do a first draft and then use a human artist to do the finishing touches and some editing to make it look less like AI slop. Given an artist with enough talent you will not be able to tell the difference. Still profitable for the company as they can hire fewer artists overall, which means it's just as harmful for artists if that's what you worry about.
>>750280234Those are cloud models, people don't have any control over what kind of model is served to them and what trips the guard rails around it.
>>750278438Ai is just like how guys "hate makeup, and I think girls look better without it"They point to some girl who has 100 layers slathered on, hyper obvious, but then go "and see this girl here? she looks super pretty without makeup" but she is obviously wearing some. All girls wear it.
>>750279994Because, generally speaking, the proliferation and acceptance of AI is just gonna result in more people losing their jobs so executives can charge you more money for things that are at best the same but likely worse.>[Game 1] is made with like 95% humans and 5% AI>[Game 1] is successful >Execs decide that since people accepted 5% AI usage they can just start firing people>[Game 2] is made with like 75% humans and 25% AI>It is probably worse because creative humans are the shit that AI is basing all of its 'creations' on>[Game 3] is made with like 25% humans and 75% AI>It is garbage slop and sucks>The remaining 25% humans are blamed and fired>Studio shut down>Execs leave with millions and go find another company to rapeEveryone on /v/ loves old games with sovl made by passionate developers who cared about what they were doing and they themselves were gamers who wanted good games. Now /v/ is arguing that games should be made with LLMs with literally no soul that do not game and do not care about the quality of their outputs. You're just hoping that the few remaining humans have the time, money, and ability to fix it.I don't care about some garbage ass solo game dev project with 3 reviews that did or didn't use AI. I primarily care about the AA and AAA space as that is where the majority of sales and game market precedents are set. It is obvious that a bunch of AAA devs use AI in some capacity and don't disclose it. It is not some kind of "own" to be like 'HAHA YOU PAID FOR A PRODUCT AND THE COMPANY DIDN'T TELL YOU OR LIED ABOUT IT', my entire point is just that I think all of this results in less people making games that will be the same price or more and have less soul and creative elements because AI cannot make anything new, it can only recycle content that was previously made.
>>750280234As the other anon told you, those are cloud models. You can't just not update your youtube or your gmail. You can run local models but that requires beefy hardware or another cloud to run it, and none are as good yet as the cloud models.
>>750273953>Why not have devs do a DEI disclosure notice too.They do have one. It's usually in their economic quarterly report or in their ESG/DEI/Sustainability/ERG report.
>>750280234Theoretically yes, but you need to have the source on your machine. Otherwise, you're merely borrowing someone else's.
>>750280315I feel like it is more work to generate art with AI and then have an artist work to ensure that no one can tell it is AI rather than just have the artist make original art.Even so, why? Art is not the thing that costs a lot of money. That is why using AI for things like art, music, writing, and other creative elements makes no sense. A company will have a few main artists and then dozens if not hundreds of developers and coders. As a business it makes way more sense to reduce your coder count by 50% than your artist count.
>>750275869It's actually pretty based how steam just natively let's you filter out lgbtq
>>750279290>I get thr feeling ai companies have caught on to this and are pretty much only focusing on programmingThey're doing that in the vain hopes of cutting down on programmer costs.Unironically it's going to rape several companies into the ground. SV is currently convincing each other to commit AI slop without code review.That's literally insane. The best models fucking suck at coding anything more than throwaway boilerplate.
>>750280559It allows rapid prototyping. Let AI generate a bunch of different concepts, have it try a ton of different poses, compositions, etc. Pick the best one and have the human iterate over it, also with AI help.
>>750280410But I don't give a fuck about devs getting fired and studios shutting down. The gaming industry must be eradicated and start over. I'd rather have a passionate designer use AI to aid with code/art than whatever modern slop is. The golden era you are citing is long gone and not coming back, there is a reason the Soon(tm) meme died.
>>750280410I can just, like, not buy shit vidya? AI or not, in the end if the game gud, I'd buy it. It's not my job to keep companies floating. If Nintendo or Sony or Xbox keels over, it'd suck, but vidya will still exist. I am not obligated to worship these corpos, I just buy games, and I can take my money to someone else whenever.
>>750280410How is this any different with how games were made before?Just look at how Bioware downfall was made, that shit wasn't the fault of AI.
>>750275869You can also tag games as AI. Why do the devs need to do that for you? Should they also tag it by what blood type the lead dev had, to satisfy japanese weirdos who really care about it?
>>750273953>Why not have devs do a DEI disclosure notice toosounds good to me
>>750280410the disclosures don't affect AAA and affect solo devs because the people are rabid and will spent time hounding small devs over using AI generated hotbar icon in early access game while buying vibecoded AAA slop. > AI cannot make anything new, it can only recycle content that was previously made.what the fuck do you think human artists do?
They're right. Every developer is using AI. The ones without the disclosure are lying. This is something that is better handled through steam curators than with developers self policing.
>>750280784I personally would avoid or be very cautious of a AAA game that disclosed AI usage. I actually would be more accepting of an indie dev or tiny team using it as opposed to some big ass team with hundreds of employees.
lmao why are AI jeets so dedicated to pilpul and trying to negotiate away the truthliterally just be open honest and proud niggabehaving like a tunnel rat isn't a good look
>>750273953>AAAAIIIIIEEE, they're making me disclose AI usage! this is politically motivated!>meanwhile, every single other commercial use of AI>AI CAN MAKE MISTAKES, PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK BEFORE FOLLOWING ITS INSTRUCTIONS, THIS MEDICAL ADVICE WAS AI GENERATED, OH MY GOD PLEASE DON'T SUE US IF IT TELLS YOUR KID TO DRINK BLEACH
>>750274135>pffft look at this AI slop it’s so embarrassing >do they think that looks good? it’s obviously AI>NNNOOOO YOU MUST WEAR THE GOLDEN STAR OF SLOP OR WE WONT BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY YOU AND REACT ACCORDINGLY obsessive little drone
>>750280820>They're right. Every developer is using AIproof?
>>750280784>what the fuck do you think human artists do?Human artists are perfect and never make mistakes. And if you think otherwise you are the problem.
>>750277718This reminds of the great debate between hand drawn animation and computer animation, well is there anybody really doing hand drawn animation anymore? Maybe as hobbyists. AI is just going to be the norm, probably for voice acting and writing too, eventually, sooner rather than later. People will use tools to make work easier, like 99.99% of people will use AI software just like they use mass produced furniture. And just like everything else handcrafted artisinal games will use AI too and just not tell you.
>>750280820Devs self-policing does have one upside; me as the customer can see how much of a bitchass nigger the devs are, and have another reason to save money. People forget that advertising is not just commercials but every scrutinized moment of being alive, and every bad look is a ticking bomb that deletes customer who spent ten extra seconds of research.
>>750279994>>750273953>>750275758>I don't want to pay money for your AI slop>NOO FUCK YOU LUDDITE GIVE ME MONEYIsn't it funny how mad AI sloppers get when you say you don't want to buy the slop they generated?It's getting to the point they get mad and scream in your face and call you names if you even dare say no.
>>750280856they want to make aislop but don't want people to find outit's funny that some anons embrace AI while at the same time complaining about soul and souless
>>750280876how many games do you think there are where there was not a google search made during development, Or a single question related in anyway to the development asked to LLM, any code assistance with LLM during development. Or the developers didn't use DLSS to test the game? because AI was used in each of those cases.
Games should have an ingredients list like food. Exhaustively list the ethnicity/sex/age/attractiveness/sexuality/ideology of every humanoid character in the game.Then you can ask your personal AI to read the lists for you and only buy the AI-generated games that contain characters and ideas that don't upset you.Or you can ask your personal AI to just make your own game that borrows whichever mechanic interested you about that game.
>>750275274No its just pratykush bansal lmao
>>750281050>how many games do you think there are where there was not a google search made during development>if you google search your game is AI codedbro
>>750281016>strawman>no argumentFalse flag post.
>>750281060You jest, but when trust is broken, people will only ease up if you disarm completely and show everything. Not because trust returned, but because you physically cannot cheat me anymore.
>>750281134Who do you think writes the code snippets on stack overflow
>>750273953Just release your game on a different service then faggot. Easy.
>>750281134Using tools to do the work instead of researching by hand, seems ridiculous to insist on non-computer-assisted research methods, don't it? We'll it's going to be just as ridiculous to insist on non-computer-assisted coding methods in 5 to 10 years unless you can stop technological progress.
>>750277048>How about "ceo is a jew", Mr shlomo, wouldn't that be greatThat would be fantastic, consumers need to know if their money is helping fund a genocide.
>>750273953The issue with ai is that it’s first applications that the regular person experienced were>scamming your grandparents>faceswapping women with porn stars
>>750275763what the fuck, do you want people to disclose that they used a pencil? The only valid complaint is if someone uses the pencil poorly. AI tools are going to be ubiquitous in the future, being luddites about this is retarded, history has countless examples of you guys being run over.
>>750275763I think it's overreaching. Before AI there was a lot of regurgitated asset slop on the store and no one felt the need to witch hunt the devs for it even though it falls in the exact same category of garbage content.
Let's say hypothetically a game made mostly by AI was actually good and received well. Would you not want to declare it was made with AI to its credit as a "hey that thing you guys hate made something you liked"?If you want to boast a product and you have full confidence in its quality, wouldn't you want people to know it was made a certain unconventional way?Anyway the problem with AI isn't entirely the AI itself, it's the people who use them. It's a tool that still relies on human input to review and edit, because yes, the thing isn't a wish granter. It still has a lot of problems that a professional needs to comb through.
>>750281578DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TREES ARE CUT DOWN FOR THOSE PENCILS CHUD
>>750281651It’s not a witch hunt, just honest marketing.
>>750281651I do remember a bunch of threads here complaining or making fun of E33 for reusing generic unreal engine assets
Ai fags don’t want to make good things that can beat the negative perception of ai. They just want to scam people. Thats why they hide it.
>>750273953When has Tim ever been right?
>>750281782I'll concede for stores to get AI filters the day we get a tag that says "This game uses Quixel Megascan assets"
>>750281968We already make fun of asset swap slop.
>>750281845>>750281870there isn't really a negative perception of AI. it's a social media clickbait thing only americans imagine is a problem because the mainstream media is dying and needs clicks
AI games should have disclaimers shaming you for wasting water and killing society
>>750281968That'd certainly be nice to know before I buy things rather than scrolling mile-long credits. In fact, I dunno why games on storefronts don't just put their credits on the store page instead of in the game where I have to buy to see. It's purely legal obligation, so just put it outside the game, it'll still count and people can actually see it.
>>750281134people aren't asking about "AI coded".was AI used during the development or not?
>>750281408there's a huge difference between using AI to search and using AI to do the researchit's what get you accepted or rejected from projects
>>750274135>>750274640>we want to force you to put a label on yourself so the internet hate mobs know who to target and punish>if you don't agree with this you must be secretly ashamed
>>750282157that'd give AI way too much aura
>>750273953Why even do this pro-AI stance and insist it is all political if you're not going to support the pro AI party?
>>750282337>internet hate mobsaifags are the new lolcows
>>750273953Tim is a fucking faggot>DEI disclosuresNever mind, I'll take Tim's side if we can get this even if I hate that faggot with every fiber of my being.
guys I used AI to help me find bugs in my code, am I cooked? I'm worried they're gonna find out.
>we want to force you to put a star of david on yourself so the hate mobs know who to target and punish>if you don't agree with this you must be secretly ashamedUnironically
>>750282157I like that they do all that and people still buy smokes. Sometimes it's not even an addiction thing, it's teens who got curious because dangerous things are thrilling.
>>750282534BASED
>>750282527i have to wait to see what the media has to say about this
>>750273953>AI tools was usedesl
>>750275750Why would I waste my time examining every part of the promotional material of a given product when it could just come with a label that says "Gay shit inside" and allow me to skip it instantly without a second thought? I wish there were even more disclaimers, like the source of the games' funding and any consultation firms partnered with so I could filter out bad games even faster.
>>750273953timmy's newest strategy to beat steam>please put your ai slop on my store. stop publishing your games on steam! we won't make you have to disclose your slop! we don't even have user reviews on our games!i think the steam luddites are going to lose this time, fellow saars. do the needful and make your game an epic exclusive today
>no one before 2019 used AI to make games>suddenly it's 'impossible' to make one without itI dunno bro sounds like you're retarded and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a computer.
>>750282157I don't think you understand. These things don't prevent people from smoking or starting smoking. Because preventing people from smoking is bad for the Big Smoke multibillion business. And these are personal risks that are depicted on these. You think abstract impersonal shit like "wasting water" is gonna shame anyone in the modern world? Everyone knows environment shit is a scam by now.
>>750276407What about if the ceo is a (((white dude)))?
>>750273953Because you can spot DEI on first glance.
>>750282534Let me guess you're also mad that milk companies have to disclose if they put blended cow brains if their product to increase volume
>>750273953>indie dev doesnt have private equity behind himick yuck
>>750282859It's just people being disingenuous and doing a one drop rule for AI usage.Because apparently the guy using AI to help with code review or debugging is the same as someone shitting out a few prompts, never looking at the code itself and calling it a day.
>>750273953There shouldn't be a requirement to disclose DEI because it should be illegal and punishable with death. It's like saying we should have a disclosure form for murder or theft.
>>750280874I support making Jews and those who support Jews wearing little Stars of David. Similarly I support making AIniggers disclose they're an AInigger.
>>750273953then uhhhhh just don't use AI?
>>750283020We should have disclosures for that too. We already do if you consider>no animals were harmed in the making of this film
>>750274135AI fags live in a reality where AI is accepted by everyone and it's only a tiny minority of trannies who are against them but at the same time disclosing it is a death sentence that will take all their customers away from them. They're just scammers, grifters, and genetic dead ends.
>>750283056proving how performative AI outrage is
>>750273953Trying to turn the AI debate into right vs left bullshit is a lame trick.
>>750282859I don't want to manually thresh the wheat. I want to bake the cake.
>>750282983the DEI disclosure is in the credits
>>750282974write down in your journal that on this date you compared AI tool use to putting blended cow brains in milk, and see how you feel looking back on it in a couple of years
>>750273953I guarantee timmy would've screeched about valve enabling soulless ai if steam didn't have ai disclosure
>>750283193You're right, AI tool use is far worse not only for the individual on the receiving end of the product but for society and environment in general
>>750283092it being a tiny minority of ragebaited trannies from america seething is precisely why it shouldn't be disclosed
>>750283149It's easier than that, only extreme right and extreme left (a.k.a. the retards) are anti AI.
>>750280203What if I don't buy new games?
>>750282983>never looking at the code itself and calling it a day.This is what everyone using claude and grok does, thoughbeit.For every person using gen AI as a tool and assistant, there's a thousand just pumping as much slop as humanly possible and calling it "productivity".Forcing an AI disclosure is an up-front warning that the game looks and runs like shit.
>>750283086NOOOOO you dont understand all of those games made by 1-5 devs that sold millions are HOAXES. It's completely impossible to produce games without having the 6000 women and indians we hired running a bunch of prompts.
>>750283149everything is right vs left and if you don't declare your side you're the enemy
>>750282527It’s one of the few ways that AI in game dev is acceptable. Code is very by the book so just doing the equivalent for a spell check but for code is fine.Having it write the code for you is retarded though because of how much unnecessary bloat it adds.
>>750283256The majority of your customer base was American trannies? Your game fucking sucks, faggot. Stop "creating."
>>750283343no? e33 won shitloads of awards because they weren't kek
>>750283256If only a tiny amount of people care, then disclosing is harmless.
>Why not have devs do a DEI disclosure notice too.That's a great idea tho
On paper it's a disclaimer and people prefer to ignore those. The ones that don't ignore those are dangerous people and require caution.
>>750273953Thank god AI finally made indie games possible.
>>750283405no? you're just feeding into the ragebait hysterics
>>750273953Isn't this the guy that shilled NFT games to get a leg up on Steam and flooded his store with the worst games anybody has ever seen? When is he flooding his store with undisclosed AI slop?
>>750283392Then why are you talking about American trannies? If that giant crowd of customers does not care then why are you afraid of disclosing it? Stop flip-flopping. I guess in your mind it isn't flip-flopping, you just live in the "reality" described by >>750283092
>>750276390Its a tool to assist not replace.
>>750275195two more weeks until the bubble pops. this time for sure guys
>>750283149Hey as long as it works.The average /pol/tard or ledditor is retarded and has to make everything political.
>>750283316I agree, but sadly the discussion is poisoned where both of those examples are exactly the same in their view when clearly it's not.
I am really enjoying Tim's new King Nerd era. He is making tons of dorks seethe with based takes and seems completely unbothered by it. He's also said some nice compliments about Carmack which is cool. Tim never got enough credit for being an ubercoder back in the day.
>>750283091Killing an animal is not murder or theft. It is animal cruelty and the laws on it vary but even harming animals in the making of a film would generally fall short of criminal animal cruelty.
>>750282974Cow brains are far more expensive than milk, why would a company even do that?
>>750283149Sadly the culture war will infect anything it can sink itself intoIt's a never ending cancer
>>750283525You say that but I see a lot of replacement. A lot of raw AI sewage put directly into products because it's easier.
>>750273953>Why not have devs do a DEI disclosure notice tooYes, also include the devs nationality so I don't have to go and search the name to see it's chinks
>>750276390the technology is a tooldisclosure demands are political (or rather ideological, but often also political)
>>750283480because you're feeding into the ragebait cycle by disclosing it. if you don't disclose retards have nothing to get mad at
>>750273953Sweeney will do absolutely everything to be successful in the industry except:>Put money into development of new titles that aren't Fortnite>Put development effort into making EGS better>Collaborate with developers to give exclusives that actually make it worth their while to go on the smaller platform>Cooperate with the government to promote his industry in any waySo basically all he has are "frivolous lawsuits" and "endless posturing on Twitter." Which is why Steam will always out compete him.
>>750273953imagine being such a brown goyslave that you genuinely advocate against ingredient labels
>>750273953Not really. Some people don't want to play a game that was made with AI, so it makes sense for developers to disclose they used it. This is literally just giving customers what they want. Hiding the fact you're using AI is deceptive all because you want to take money from people who wouldn't have bought your game had they known. Obviously it's the developer being evil here. It's standard for politicians to disclose where they get their funds from because people care about it; it's standard for food producers to disclose what they put in their products because it's something people care about; it's standard for media to disclose the degree of adult content in their work because it's something people care about knowing before paying for it. This isn't rocket science. And these very same people are the ones who claim everyone uses AI and there's nothing wrong with it, so why are they suddenly afraid to take the mask off?>Why not have devs do a DEI disclosure notice tooYou don't need a disclosure for that, you can just look at the game.
>>750277718everything will change when gen x and the better half of millenials are too old to keep society running. the average age of infrastructure workers is nearing 50 years old
>>750283705>exclusives that actually make it worth their while to go on the smaller platformHow is it Sweeney's fault that several developers basically did a cut and run scam and released half finished games on EGS, used the money he gave them to finish the game, and then launched for real on Steam a year later? Who would keep that up?
why do so many meltdowns ensue when you ask a gamedev how they used ai?
>People were able to make a 3d game in the 90s in less than a year with 60 hours of content without AI>Shit like Fnaf took less than a year to take off>But somehow, using AI is political>But somehow, having to mention it is an attack at the pride of someone's humanityIf you have confidence in your game then you shouldn't worry about an label. Why are AIfaggots so hellbent on being the exclusion from the rule of being filterable like literally every other option the store has to offer?
>>750283256So the majority of your customers wouldn't care, and you only refuse because you REALLY want trannies to buy your game?
>>750283313Then there's nothing for you to care about in this topic
>>750283643Disclosure demands let me judge whether or not your price is worth it, it's a consumer tool. If you saved time and money making your game with AI versus your competitors but cost as much, why would I spend on you?
>>750283567Can he fix EGS not being a piece of shit as a software and service after all these years with his ubercoder skills?
>>750283702I thought you loved making the trannies mad and "owning the libs," now suddenly you're terrified? This is why no woman will ever, ever touch you. You've known your whole life that you're an inferior. You're convincing yourself that you're just trolling, but you know it's true.
>>750276070I would quite happily disclose and tag if there wasn't a tranny discord brigade backed by 100,000 newly-unemployed game """developers""" on twitter ready to rape and gape my review score based only on the criteria of the disclosure/tag existing or not.Their vocal retard minority will have no effect on big corporate games, they're only punishing small developers. If I'll be irrationally punished for being honest, I'll not be honest. Simple as.My game costs $5 on the basis that it was very cheap to develop. That's the concession I'm giving and it's a fair concession. I have "very positive" reviews and I just past 6000 sales earlier this week. If I had a disclosure, that would be "overwhelmingly negative" and 50 sales with 50 refunds after they submit their 0-minutes-played review.
>>750283341Thinking about a recent minecraft mod slopped up by a retard that would write to your SSD 150 times a second the entire time the game was running.
>>750283256>We should scam our customers because californians are degenerates!Brown hands typed this post.
>>750283769no companies just want to avoid kicking the beehive that is tempermental trans manchildren
>>750283837You can't say nobody cares or everybody enjoys it and then fearmonger about the trannies that wouldn't have bought your shit anyway brigading.
>>750283767See >>750283092
If you didn't make it I'm not paying you for it.
>>750283837Alright, cool, which game?
>>750283837They only care if you hide it, retard.
>>750283768Because the most vocal about the label want to put in the least amount of work and receive the benefits.It's their current get rich quick scheme.
>>750283871There’s basically nothing wrong with “scams” and that isn’t a brown thing. Scams just mean that you ask your customer to have some basic common sense before buying. If you go into a grocery store, any food you buy can’t have poison in it due to regulations, but these regulations only hurt small businesses at the end of the day. Jews pushes for regulatory laws like that so it would enable monopologies like you see today.
>>750283918He also lives in >>750283092Plus he's just larping. He's never created anything anyone will ever care about. He's a genetic dead end.
>>750283905They kicked the beehive of normal gamers for over a decade come up with an excuse that actually implies they care about the opinions of the masses.
>>750277718The usage of AI is something nobody talks about, but everyone is doing it. Like asking athletes about steroids. AI can be used to generate templates and automate boilerplate code. I wonder how many people freaking out about AI in games know about programming. Do they just assume it's all used for art? I'm not pro AI, but i don't see people not using it at all.
>>750282527No one gives a shit about that.
>>750283715The machines used to make the products are not ingredients. Also, ingredients lists are for the food part that goes inside your body. You don't have to list the "ingredients" of the container, or provide information about how it was packaged, shipped, etc. The closest would be something like "organic" or "free range" labels. But the standards for those are much weaker and it's not a health/safety issue.
>>750283967>They only care if you hide it>go literally anywhere else on the internet and even with disclosure trannies lose their mindsodd
tim once again trying to angle himself as the PRO DEV guy by passionately advocating for tech that makes like half of devs sort of depressedat this point i wouldn't be surprised if he made the gamedev equivalent of the "you don't need to be an artist to make art now, '''artists''' are finished" post try and angle for the insecure people who are sticking their toes in the water trying to make shit with claude
>>750284012Assets aren't an "ingredient" in your game? What is then?
>>750277718Pretty much this, hell you got stories of people turning their heads at slop advertisements.https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/grind-unwind-ai-images-22348931.phpEven people bashing Coca-Cola for using AI for their traditional holiday ads. The general audience doesn't want slop, if you can't be assed to take pictures of the food you want to serve people, don't be surprised if they don't come.
>>750280703The ai tag is for ai story or gameplay stuff, not the dev using ai to make the thing.
AI-derangement syndrome, or AIDSAnyways its inevitable so you might as well prepare yourself for it.Im well invested into energy
>>750284005Uh huh. You know steroid scandals are constant right? You remember the "Enhanced Games" being a major flop correct? Yeah, there's steroid and doping use and the industry develops on the edge of the regulations, but nobody enjoys it. If athletes had to disclose whether they were on anything that could be classified as a PED, people wouldn't like the truth.
>>750273953>This thread againSame question: If uou're so proud of your AI usage and want to push it as the FUTURE, winning team, etc etc etc, why are you so ashamed of tagging it as AI from the get-go? What's with the false advertising?
>>750283998??they don't care about your opinion they just want to avoid causing unnecessary ragebait
>>750284104AI food ads look more plastic and fake than the fake food they use for old style commercials
>>750284145>TWO MORE WEEKS>IT'S INEVITABLE>WE'RE GONNA WIN, WE'RE GONNA WINTwo years of this shit and the industry falters at every step, every financial report is ruinous, and the only ones making money are NVIDIA and the engineers lucky enough to juice these corpos for high six figure or seven figure salaries before the investment bubble pops.
>>750283989Wow you're actually Indian, and here I was giving the benefit of the doubt
>>750284154I use Calculator, Open Office and Visual Studio and Photoshop and FL Studio and Aseprite and ChatGPTWhy do I need to disclose ANY of that?Does a shopper in Walmart care that Pepsi and Coke is vendor managed? No, they only want the final product
>>750284154>If you're so proud of being Jewish why don't you want to wear the gold star?
>>750284161You mean like companies and devs have been doing for over a decade by insulting people directly? Putting an AI disclosure is less rage baiting than what is already standard practice.
>>750284154Because if they're using it to make garbage, they assume literally every game dev is, so disclosing it means they have to admit they are doing something that makes them look retarded.
>>750284253Because none of those operate entirely off of stolen assets, anon. None of those are controversial, except AI.
>>750284260Yes
>>750284280why would they want more of that you retard
>>750283989>>750284260Actual Indians spotted
>>750284253Eh, some people care. Labels like fair trade, organic, cage free, etc...
>>750284227Cope, look at what regulation has given us. Slop controlled by monopolies that can pay to control it. Back before all this shit, you could get good products for cheap by hard working, normal people. Now you get mass produced garbage, since that’s the only way you can adhere to ridiculous restrictions. And what did we get from all this? Before, maybe one in a million drugs would have snake venom or some shit in it, and you could just not buy that using your common sense. Now EVERYTHING is poisoned. This is what trying to stop scams gets you.
>>750284260Anon did we start putting AI sloppers in camps? I missed the memo, why are you free?
>>750284253So your response to customers saying they care and want a disclosure is no argument and just telling them that they don't actually care? What a retarded post. You are worthless.
>>750284225I didnt invest in AI, I invested in energy.What will happen, as it always does, is the market will saturate and flush out, and you'll be left with 3-5 companies that gradually get absorbed or monopolize.Data centers will still be built, raise the electricity price for everyone, create demand for nuclear and PMs. I dont want to pick out individual tech companies and I missed the boat on NVDA. Actually the next big sector might be healthcare, bespoke medicine
>>750284201They look like nightmare fuelIs it really hard to make an actual photo of your fucking burger?I will never go to a slop restaurant
>>750284358You are clearly retarded the point is to show that they already give zero fucks about outrage already so using the argument they are scared of it is stupid
>>750284379Please go live in an unregulated, low trust society that you adore.
>>750283468EGS actually has an option to not show games with any AI content. Because as you know, Tim is a professional hypocrite.
>>750284329Microsoft and Adobe have integrated AI into their products
>>750273953I think they should do both, besides isn't there already an lgbtq tag on steam, make an AI one as well
>>750284154It's just sweeney's shills taking stabs at valve like any other day
>>750284429Demand for nuclear when AI happens is demand 20 years too late, and you know that.>what's going to happen isWhat's going to happen is that the tech will be relegated to the handful of uses it excels in, data center proliferation will be halted and we'll get several but not the fucking insane buildout currently forecasted, and the cancelling of those buildouts will tank your investments because they were priced in.
>>750284414>why does the pop aisle look like a mess this is Walmart'a fault!>its not our product, sorryStill looks bad
>>750284501True everyone already knows what the lgbtq tag is actually used for primarily, removing games from your view.
>>750284436I don't even understand how AI food pics are legal for restaurants to use. It is quite literally, false advertising.
If I use AI to help me code and don't disclose it, how are you gonna find out?
>>750273953Why is it so important to this retard to have the ability to use AI to deceive people?
>>750284437they clearly think it's a problem retard yeshaving employees publicly posting themselves sucking off niggerdick is something they want to avoid believe it or not
>>750284463You mean the USA before it was destroyed by communists? I wish I could, man. I wish I could.
>>750284593Decompile your shit and have an AI scour it, then post on twitter with a minimum of effort.
>>750283837So essentially you want to avoid disclosing so you can lie, cheat and steal.Interesting.
>>750283858>a recent minecraft mod slopped up by a retard that would write to your SSD 150 times a second the entire time the game was running.source?
>>750284612Frog poster being a giga retard how shocking
>>750284642Well as long as you disclose that you used AI for scanning it...
>>750284618I hear India is lovely this time of year. You can get unregulated street food at every corner.
>>750284589Probably since major corporations are doing it and setting the standard, and those companies are immune to meaningful legal consequences. Then any smaller business can just point to McDonalds practices to defend themselves.
anti-ai is a small group of extremely prolific twitterfags having an existential meltdown how ai represents a confirmation of what their parents told them so many times all those years ago. the internet is not real life.
>>750284260I support forcing Jews to wear gold stars, though?
>>750284618He said low trust so he is saying go to a place like China where they had to execute people because they sold poisoned formula to save money
>>750284661shalom
>>750281578>EVERYONE PISSES IN THE COKE WHY DO I HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT!!!
>>750284697Sure. Game recognizes game after all. I think everyone recognizes AI has uses, they just don't want it to be used on things they have to pay for.
>>750284562Theres still a rivalry between US and China and securement of critical minerals, hence the sabre rattling at Venezuela, Canada, and Greenland.And if Iranian shipping is disrupted, that affects stuff like feedstocks for plastics and chemicals, I've seen many brands reduce or eliminate plastic packaging this year. All that to say, energy and materials will become more expensive over time and consumers will soak the cost. Energy as a sector always wins
If AI is only hated by minority of right-wing leftist trannies, and the vast majority of people don't care about it, then surely putting an AI disclaimer wouldn't deter any of those well-adjusted people and only a few luddite chuds wouldn't buy your product, which according to you shouldn't be any risk for your sales?
>>750274068Timmy actually spends his money on similar causes (preserving woodlands)
>>750284593Use AI to decompile your code and identify AI use.
>>750284585for this alone i am grateful. that shit needs to be purged like aids
>>750284771Well yeah, [The Economy] always wins in the long run, but precipitous falls are still ruinous.
>>750284781yeah but why participate in the ragebait to begin withdoesn't the news do it enough?
>>750284718Why should they be executed? They sold something and some moron purchased it without using their common sense. That’s the buyer’s problem.
>>750284763I wasn't convinced before, but now you've compared the thing you don't like to drinking piss. I was wrong--I don't want to drink piss! I stand with you!
>>750284847I offer you a drink. I do not tell you it is full of rat poison. Do you buy it yes/no. I am in a suit, I have a winning smile and a firm handshake.
>>750284781Minorities can be disproportionately destructive, and it is not good to give in to their demands.
>>750284589There doesn't seem to be any regulation or rules on it. Places like BK and Mc don't need them since the photos are just shared between location, it's the non-corporate food places that have been caught doing this (at least from what I've seen). Like look at this shit, I refuse to believe a sane person generated this for their store, got it printed, and said "Yep, THIS will bring in the people!". Looks maggot infested.
>>750284501There is one, it's called "Artificial Intelligence" and looking it over I don't see why these fags go on about how tagging it would ruin they're sales. That tidy up the library game has it plus the ai disclosure and it's sitting at very positive with 16.6k reviews
>>750284825What if I ask AI to tell me how to make it look like a human coded it?
>>750284593An ai coder doesn't simply stop at coding. They will ai the music, voice acting, art and story.
>>750281578Problem is people see AI and think assets. Even if AI was only used for coding, people will assume art.
>>750273953>ai tagtwo people one who doesn't want ai, on who is okayNow that you filtered anti-ai person there is another filter.Person who fine with ai but is now judging based on how you use ai.>Is it slop ai or good ai usage.once this filter is reached they get mad cause you just assume everything the do wrong is cause their shit ai usage and they made ai slop.
>>750284916What is the tranny going to do, post on twitter with his big trans and palestine flag? Who is listening to him? Disclose your shit, nobody cares after all.
>>750284847What 'common sense' are you supposed to use to avoid buying poisoned food? Should consumers be expected to chemically analyze all their food with a spectrometer?
>>750284892You’re pretty clearly a faggot and I wouldn’t trust you. Now was that so hard? Just use your God given common sense. The same with AI, disclosures are fucking stupid and only will lead to monopolies.
>>750284926>I refuse to believeYet you believed. It's a ragebait photo, bro. Ironically AI generated to give you a supposed real-world example to get mad about and spread.
>>750284589Fastfood and chain restaurants were already hiring photographers to cover their burgers in silicone and shit to make the most visually appealing food possible before this, You can find videos on youtube about this very easily. The food in those pics was just as fake as the AI pics now. At least they were equally edible.
>>750283092>implying As if it hasn’t been made clear enough over the years, people shitting on something, even if it’s only a vocal minority, is almost always more compelling than people *not* shitting on something. You think the militant stance toward the DEI/Woke thing is a common public sentiment? The overwhelming majority of people couldn’t give one single fuck either way. But whose face do you see constantly being represented as the voice of the industry? Never someone neutral or sane— always someone with some outlandish and offensive opinion. For every 50 people there is maybe 1 like that, but *they* are the ones whose ideas are brought into this discussion. Most people use the AI and most people are unsure about whether what they’re doing is actually “wrong” or not. It is becoming increasingly obvious that they *aren’t* doing anything wrong. And until that has become solidified in the public consciousness, disclosing it puts a product at risk of being needlessly ostracized by spiteful retards. Before long, this distinction will not even matter to anyone. Until then, devs have no business telling their irresponsible and ignorant consumers anything related to the usage of AI. At all.
>>750284926There is regulations. It's called false advertisement. But no joe schmo is gonna sue a random place for using slop to sell slop.
>>750282315people don't care and don't know the difference. they will see ai and assume ai assets.
>>750280784>early access>I want to release an even less release ready game, let me just fill in the blanks with ai slopYeah I don't actually think AI making early access even more shit and widespread is good>what the fuck do you think human artists do?Come up with things? Do you think everything has always existed?
>>750284983nobody listens to them that's why we shouldn't disclose shit
>>750283756He offered them money to do thatA lot of moneyWhat the fuck were those game devs supposed to do?
>>750284946Then I'll ask the AI how it would obfuscate this code being made by an AI and compare that to your code.
>>750285016I hired a non-faggot this time to sell it to you, I paid him well for his lack of faggot aura as focus grouped with straight chads. Do you buy the drink?
>>750284926I bet that burrito has mac and cheese in it and the person who generated it assumed that's what other people would see too.
>>750284951I unironically used a lot of "it's not just X, it's [two-three other things]" structures before AI and had to stop. I guess they exclusively trained LLMs on everything I've ever written.
>>750285136So you're saying it has no effect either way. But I like having things disclosed because I'm based, so I want disclosures. It won't hurt you anyway.
Can you name me a single piece of technology that had to live in a constant state of damage control and obfuscation of its usage like this AND turned out to be worth anything in the end?
>>750284892>rat poison in your drink is the same as using AI to help with some of the work needed to complete your project Anon, do you mind spelling out for us how this a fair comparison?
>>750285019Well consider me baiting on that if that's the case, but still don't agree with these places doing this.
>>750285136>He WANTS trannies buying his game
>>750275452how do you format webcomics on a phone?
>>750285264Trannies have good taste in vidya, so trannies buying your game means your game is good.
>>750285029Yeah I knew about that, but I thought the law said that the food you were selling had to be real. So in your example the advertising would have to show a real hamburger patty, but the cheese and mayo could be faked. Or a cereal commercial could use glue instead of milk, but the cereal has to be their real product. I just don't get how this doesn't apply to AI wholesale fabricating everything.
>>750273953Is Matt a Kojimbo character?
>>750284762You are the one running cover for game developers and executives who insult people retard.
>>750273953Actually why not make a regulation like in the food industry where we know all the ingredients and their quantities and thus can make better informed decision. Would be cool to know all their inspirations, software and companies with their bodies behind it. Like how Asmongold and Hassan are backed by Night Media which is backed by the Chernin Group.Lack of disclosure is like channels being free to not disclose the fact that private equity owns them.The people against AI disclosure are the same ones who would cry at the thought of "eating ze bugs".
>>750285040People are fucking retarded and know nothing about programming. Wait until you tell them that before 2022, there were IDEs that would generate basic class methods upon creation. Is that cheating? Intellisense? Debugging tools? IDEs in general. Lol.
>>750285265Chatgpt
>>750276686If someone gets mad about a food analogy I write them off as literally medically retarded and move on.
>>750285219nah disclosing shit is gaylet the luddies cry and self immolate on livestream
>>750280784Motte and bailey>we cowpowatins would not be efected uwu but wook at this small bean devweper he getting hawassedpeople don't give a shit if the game is good. size has no merit. we've seen marvel games flop and indies reach successes that make aaa jealous.
>>750285250Anon this is a discussion about regulation in general. The rat poison isn't an analogy, it's rat poison. Still, AI disclosure is also good, learnign a game had an AI soundtrack really soured me. IT sounded generic in their gameplay, but learning there was no chance of any good music was a deal breaker.
>>750285040>Erm actually it won't matter in a billion years so it shouldn't matter nowGreat argument I'm gonna go molest a women and tell her it won't matter in the future so she shouldn't get mad at me now
>our technology is so good that we have to hide from you that it is being usedCan you imagine this happening with anything else? 'We want to hide the fact that we're using mo-cap' or 'We want to hide the fact that we're using cranes to build this building'. Why do you think that is?
>>750285208I've yet to see an ai vibe coder that can do art
>>750275810I really loved the thirdie meltdown when some cosmetics for CS2 lost all their value a year ago.
>>750285243flashplayer/motion tweening and photoshop
>>750285146That's some Bladerunner stuff man.
>>750285146>anon can’t tell by himself >would have to ask the AI to do it for him Aside from the delicious irony of this, what makes you think the AI would be able to clearly identify what code is strictly written by a human and which code has had the help of an LLM? Unless there is a very, VERY obvious footprint, at best it can point you to lines of code that *MAY* have been written by an LLM. That’s the best you’ll get, anon. So unless you’d be willing to LIE, which would, again, be deliciously ironic, then you’d basically be wasting your time.
>>750285445there isn't a giant media ragebait cycle over mocap current
>>750285167Maybe sometimes you’ll drink rat poison by mistake, but if you’ve grown up in a non-sissified environment, you’ll live. And the entire world will be better off for it rather than all food being made by monopolies trying to estrogenize you with “acceptable” amounts of microplastics.
>>750282534>Immediately equates AI disclosure to wearing a star of david>Not like how food has to have nutrional facts on it, or how alcohol or smokes have to have a "potentially dangerous" warning on themThe jew kvetches too much methinks
>>750276195You know that's the standard price in the industry, right? Nintendo, Sony and Xbox all have similar deals for developers.
>>750285429That's pretty gay. I played all my gameboy games with sound off and you can't even bring your own soundtrack to a modern pc game.
All the games coming out have probably been done using AI to some extent.
>>750285552That's gay as hell, you're gay as hell for just not even caring about the soundtrack for the game and playing gip gup rap.
>>750285445Jews always try to hide the poison they inject. The Israeli lab meat also doesn't have to be disclosed either
>>750285297true!!
>>750285460As opposed to regular coders? Yeah right.
>>750277718>>750279290TTS has been a thing for decades atp
>>750285445hiding the use of mocap/rotoscoping happens all the time lol. especially when anime tries to filter/rotoscope over 3d animation
>>750285521Maybe stop drinking your water out of a bottle like a fag.
>>750285243VR glasses. The fate of VR is the most likely fate for "AI" or LLM.
>>750281651There are 20,000 demos coming out at NextFest, the scale of the problem has changed.
>>750285661Enjoy your fluoride estrognization poisoning, retard
>>750285627Yeah? Single developer games existed before 2025?
>forcing AI-fags to actually stand by their work like they claim to and have it be associated with the actual quality of their outputAnd here I thought Gaben couldn't get much more based and he still manages
>>750283989>There’s basically nothing wrong with “scams”Poojeet confirmed.
>>750285597>music volume 0%This is an impossible task for foids.
Reminder that AIjeets are certified VICTIMS of luddite lynch mobs.You WILL disclose your usage of digital molochYou WILL get harassed and boycottedYou WILL suffer profit lossesYou WILL be left soulless and pennyless and (You) VILL keep seething about it.
>>750281968You think you were making an "own the chuds" argument but everybody would cheer for such a thing
Ai disclosure is needed because ai slop indians shit out so much useless content that it overwhelms search filters leading to entire pages filled with shit.Honestly steam should just ban AI games or have an entire different shop for it Right now all AI games are basically made just to trick little Timmy into spending a dollar on some copy pasted trash Search engines on hentai sites are just fucked at this point. You have to basically scroll through 30 pages of exhentai to get something that isn't poorly shit out sloppa
>>750285738Cope, no they didn’t. No one has ever managed to make a game by themselves without AI.
>>750273953Everyone uses AI, therefore there should be no AI content disclosure on any game.It's just a computer program. It's ironic how anti-AI people both shit on AI for being stupid, useless and incapable at producing anything of value, yet at the same time they treat it like it's going to destroy the world. So which one is it? I think it's just a program like any other. The skill of the user dictates whether the outcome is good or not.
>Four words mindbreak a CEO worth billions and millions of IndiansHonestly kinda based
>>750273953AI art of all kinds looks disgusting, that's all there is to it.
>>750285756trying too hard
>>750285737I have a well. So just calcium. Sorry about living in a suburb or whatever you do.
>>750273953>Workman>Doesn't want to work
>>750285818>Everyone uses AIDoes Minecraft uses it?Does GTA V uses it?Does Arkham Knight uses it?Does Sonic Forces?Does FE Fates?Fuck off.
>>750273953Why are they all so so so boring, gee
>>750285784i thought sloppa was all redirected to misc which was already garbage before anyways. Unless you mean the worst MTL you have seen in your entire life, then yeah, that has been getting out of hand.
>>750285867BRAVO KOJIMA
>>750285818Flooding the world with garbage is one way to destroy it.
Why don't people just lie? What are they gonna do, sue you?>Oh yeah, those smeared textures and hands with 7 fingers? I drew that. Artistic expression, ghet fucked.
>>750285840I just got back from a convention hall and all the vendors all had AI slop signs. Creativity is dying in real time.
>>750285889Any game that runs on Windows uses AI, because Windows is AI now. Snailcats can cope all they want but they know it is true.
>>750285784>AI bad because i have to click more to see my hand drawn child pornographybrilliant
>there is nothing wrong with AI, every single game ever uses it!>so then disclose it>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, THEN NO ONE WILL BUY MY GAME
>>750285951Why muddying the water? This is dishonest as balls.
>>750276195So does Apple, Google, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo. Honestly, lil' Timmy would have a point if he tried to approach the practice of 30% instead of one competitor. Just proposing everyone to take a Valve-like approach of lowering the percentage taken after a certain number of sales would've been good PR.
>>750285784website owners want their searches to be full of crap so youll spend longer on their websites looking at ads. theres hundreds of ways a website could filter out dogshit spam from ever showing up, but they secretly want it to show up
>>750286010It’s not dishonest. It’s just the truth. No matter how much luddites cope, everything is AI now. It’s impossible for there to be an AI free game since all tools, all operating systems, all advertising platforms are powered by AI.
>>750285969Is your implication that ai sloppers don't generate loli?
>>750286021Little Timmy Wimmy is gonna take FIFTY FUCKING PERCENT for Fortnite transactions starting in February. Nigga has Z E R O right to complain about Valve's cut.
>>750285757There's gradients to everything and I thought my previous posts made evident that I don't mind AI but I also don't like low quality garbage. So no that's not what I was thinking at all but I'm open to middle of the road solutions that would make most people happy like that. Gotta stop with this pure 100% skub or anti-skub bullshit it's ruining online conversations.
>>750285951My company must have a partnership with Microsoft. Because they urge us to use Copilot for everything.
>>750282534yeah, if you shit on white people as a jew then you deserve the star
>>750286010its about as honest as listing a bunch of games that were made before ai existed
>>750285784Sloppers already killed most art sitesThey just want to kill the rest of the internet
>>750276195Not only is this the industry standard but Valve also provides tools on top for developers to make it a smoother experience you get a kit for help alongside that fee. Everyone else simply charges the 30% but do provide nothing else.
Total homo sapiens death
>tfw luddites
>>750286082>The curtains in my walls are AI luddite chud!Holy cope lmao
>>750282534>thinking this is going to help convince anyone whatsoever to agree with you
>>750285784>You have to basically scroll through 30 pages of exhentai to get something that isn't poorly shit out sloppaOr pray that the site has a blacklist option AND it's mandatory to tag slop as slop.
>>750286153My house is too old for that, but any new construction is using AI, yes.
>>750286092... no? My company is pushing Copilot and we don't have any deal with MS. It's just the suits ((private equity)) pushing for line up for their own pockets, it's literally that simple. We've cut back aggressively in spending and are expecting 2x or 3x the work from a smaller staff using Copilot and most of these retards can't figure out how to reliably use it.
>>750273953You jest but the amount of money I spend on video games would radically increase if it was mandated that retarded faggot devs aren't allowed to pretend their game isn't deranged far-left drivel with dogshit writing and worse gameplay.One single tag would be all it takes:Made By Traitors
>>750286187They want to be the victim so bad
Imagine being so retarded you agree with Tim Sweeney on anything.
>>750286152actually being a ludite would be extremely basedor would you rather be a good goy with overprocessed food, social media, working in a wagiecage and buy product, then the next product?
>>750286232you're right but the seething trannies that outnumber us here will just pretend it isn't happening
>>750282534Oh no, please a shed a tear for the oppressed pajeet.
Seriously, why can't he let this "feud" with Steam go? His company owns the industry standard game engine. Is that not enough for him?
>>750286152I like AI and use it for information acquisition but I wish you could understand how retarded and tasteless you look. Absolute sub-human filth. Worthless trash.
>>750285784>Ai disclosure is needed because ai slop indians shit out so much useless content that it overwhelms search filtersWhy do you think they will respect any tags? Do you think the ai slop indians you talk about will respectfully tell you they're using AI just because AI disclosure is a rule now?
>>750286220>You can't be against AI because everything is AI if you're being enough of a smartass! Your own nostrils are AI!Pajeet cope.
>>750286085Woah.Admittedly I've been ignoring much of gaming news. Can I get a QRD or just some words that I can search? Was it the Apple lawsuit?>>750286082Actually they are powered by water. Boiling water. Checkmate!
>>750276373Do you just like doing this dishonest bit?
>>750286314Art sites that are worth anything automatically tag shit that's ai
>>750286187the third world shill farms aren't sending their best
>>750286314>Why do you think they will respect any tags?Because users can report their game and get it removed. This already happens in porn sites and it works just fine.
>>750285991Nobody boycotted good games because of AI.
>>750286084They actually generate it so much that meta ran ads for it, in India no less
>>750286245Wanting a CONTAINS ANTI-WHITE AND ANTI-MALE POLITICS tag would infact be disagreeing with him.I would pay an unreasonable amount of money for video games if such a disclaimer existed.
>>750281578People who usually use pencils love to disclose that they use pencils and are usually open to criticism and take feedback. People are so happy about people using pencils they literally are willing to buy archival evidence of said -I'm done with this analogy. People buy artbooks, you fucking retard.
>People fucking throw a fit to not disclose their games on AI like every other dev does for other tags like horror, hentai, politicsIt always starts with one.
>>750285243photography
>>750286432>>People fucking throw a fit to not disclose their games on AI like every other dev does for other tags like horror, hentai, politicsThis literally does not happen with any other tag than LGBT and that's a conversation that can also be had after Gears of War E-Day tried to scrub the tag.
>>750273953Games like E33 should simply be banned and Steam should force them to automatically refund every copy bought for being undisclosed AI slop.
>>750286314>Rules and laws are useless because we indians will break them anyway. Might as well not have them.
>>750286432>american woke comicthe most goyslop corporate gay shit and you cry about AI
>>750285493This is always such a dishonest comparison.
>>750286332https://www.fortnite.com/news/tools-for-in-island-transactions-now-available-to-fortnite-developers>Beginning Feb 1, 2027, developers will earn 50% of the V-Bucks value from transactions in their islands.There was an introductory rate of 0% for 2026 to get more devs on board, but it's getting jacked up to 50% in a few months.
>>750286568Actually true, they should
>>750286432if you use AI for your game you just lie about it. i don't think anyone is throwing a fit besides trannies on bluesky
>>750286646HOW IS THIS FUCKING HYPOCRITE ALLOWED TO BITCH ABOUT STEAM AT ALL
>>750286352>>750286380>>750286591You're all assuming it's easy to spot AI, you can only do that when it's obvious. You probably have already been tricked and don't even realize. If you get a human to make a few changes and finishing touches it's gonna be impossible to tell.
>>750286692>You're all assuming it's easy to spot AI,It is. Unlike you brown people we have working eyes.
>>750274135The truth is the point of AI tools is to circumvent having to be good at something. So they will always be ashamed of using it. Deep down they know its not the same as just doing the thing without AI. To compare with other tech as they so often like to do, it would be like getting a printing press to write words on a paper and then try to convince people you did it by hand, and when they ask if it was one of those new printing presses, you flip out.
>>750285243nuclear power
>>750286417Would you pay for a tool or service that scans any and every video game and tags offenders as anti-White or anti-male? So you are never surprised by any undesired content in a game you pick up again?A lot of youtubers and x accounts would be made redundant.
>>750282870Isn't % of smokers falling?
>>750286432>Muh capeshit about animal rights!!!!!I don't know what you're getting at, queer.You will disclose the shitty aspects of your game and you will like it. The obvious solution is to not try and sell your shitty bleeding hear art for money. Art for sale is a product and it will be forgotten if you don't act accordingly. All the leftists trying to sell their message instead of give it out for free really are pure fucking evil from hell. You do not care about society's problems. You want to irritate normal people while scamming them out of money.Fuck you. You're a disease and we finally found medicine that hurts you. Get the fuck out of the industry if you can't reveal the shit aspects of your game. You're done.
>>750285738All of them sucked at either art or coding, or both. Or are we gonna pretend that all bad art is now perfect and soulful just because some lousy coder made it himself?
>>750285474This is why I got rid of all my pricey items in TF2. Seeing the value of earbuds drop was just the tip of the iceberg. Then came the Crate Depression, and then of course the grossly inflated price of mann co keys. It's even more unstable than US fiat.
>>750286568that would be really unpopular. most people simply don't care about the drama
>>750286403there are no good games with AIE33 maybe but even then they had to astroturf the living hell out of it and you can't do that for every game that releases
>>750286432honestly theres a real issue with floods of slop but a blanket "ai" tag is worthlessscammers wont bother complyinga company that sent an email using chatgpt will get the same ai tag as a 1 and done single prompted slop gameits dumb
>>750286752No. It needs to be a free service provided by the storefront, KIKE
>>750286753Vapes are the cigarette's biggest enemy.
>>750286727sure
>>750286832This lmao, crazy how even when on the backfoot it tried to turn its own defeat into a business transaction and charge you the difference. Ghoulish people
>>750273953
>>750286808Crimson Desert was caught using AI and it sold trillions
>>750286916Keep coping Rakeesh. You're doomed to live in your mudhut forever.
>>750274068>scienceIt's a pedo trafficking fleet lil bro
>>750286916a screenshot of a /v/ argument from 2022, you are genuinely pathetic
>>750286021Isn't it only 30% until you sell like 1-5 million copies and then it goes down to 20%?At least they developed proton and have never given me any hassles about refunds even if you're outside of the time played/owned window.With all that money though it'd be nice if they ever made a decent game again instead of the garbage Esport stuff they pump out.Even a LFD3 with the tone of the first one would be nice
>>750287032we must be better men
>>750273953>Why not have devs do a DEI disclosure notice tooOYYYYYYYY VEYYYYYYYY HOW DARE YOU BE SO ANTI-SEMITIC. MAY G-D RAIN FIERY DEATH UPON YOU
>>750277718Public perception about LLM's will only change once they are either reliable or good.
>>750287102>look saar i win argument four years ago! tremble in fear at my izzat!
>>750286626Nta but how is Injustice woke?
>>750286808>there are no good games with AIHow do you know? Are you implying that only AI-disclosed games used AI and all other AAA modern devs, who are always obsessed with cutting as many corners as possible, in this particular case are just bastions of integrity and if they ever used AI they would have definitely disclosed it even at the cost of potential backlash?
>>750287016I don't understand why your pic is relevant. No shit everyone knows that's an AI upscaling. No need to disclose that one. But would you have noticed if a new game used AI to create grass, wood and brick textures? Or used AI to generate tree models? When people couldn't even tell the difference from a Sonic drawing made by an old model?>>750287032But where's your argument?
>>750273953>NOOOO JUST LET ME CUT CORNERS LIKE A JEET INSTEAD OF SHIPPING A GOOD PRODUCT RRRRREEEEEEEThis is the mindset that led us to RTX memetracing (aka fake raytracing, actual one is sub-1 FPS), TAA, DLSS (aka fake res), framegen (aka fake frames), etc.
>>750287140performative racism from a faggot who worships niggers outside 4chan kek
>>750287237All Capcom does is cut corners and their last 5 recycled asset games sell millions of copies and this is before their public disclosure of AI usage
>>750273953I doubt someone who can't write a grammatically correct english sentence for a proper review can provide a good game. Disclosures are pro-consumer as they force someone to write them and they couldn't even be assed to use their almighty AI for that. Laughing Out Laughing here.
>>750273953If they were so proud of their "tools", why do they not want to show it to the consumers? isn't it something to be proud at?Also, why doesn't Timmy just focus on HIS OWN STORE instead of trying to mess with others? (which is something he often said Valve was doing to make things even more stupid)
>>750286692>NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IF I MADE A GAME SO GOOD YOU COULDN'T EVEN TELLyeah that's not really the problem, is it? Most sloppers shit out something in 30 minutes, upload it to the shit slop site and do this every hour of every day because even a single retard who buys it for a dollar is enough to feed rajeesh and his villageYour mythical slop game is just a hypothetical
>>750286286KEK
>>750287214AI really is the worst enemy of hobby artists.
>>750287032>from 4 years ago That’s literally even more damning to your entire argument kek. Idk if you know this but all AI-adjacent tech has improved pretty fucking substantially since then. People getting fooled 4 years ago likely means there’s no chance of them knowing when it’s being used today or not. I’ve seen people assume *I* am a fucking bot for using dashes lmfao. I’m not even sure they were trying to look stupid on purpose.
>>750273953never beating steam with that attitude
>>750287247>the jeets keep giving themselves awaylmao
>>750287282Recycled assets happened for decades now, this is THE thing to do to save some budget and it has always being the case, even on big success games.>>750287365the entire thing only benefit big studios and not small creators despite what they are saying. And even many big studios are really iffy about it. This is something forced on the world by a minority of people wanting to play god or because they severely misunderstand how things used to work.
>>750287418>themselveshello sister
>>750287282Do tell how many copies Milds has sold this year>Rise still running circles around itOh, right lmao
>>750278438>especially since 98% of gamers can't accurately identify AI in video games anyway.AI fags will say shit like this with a bold face and expect you to buy it.
>>750287484so one shitty MH game invalidates the terribly made RE remakes with cut corners all over the place. ok.
>>750274471Dude literally said "a Valve" the nigger literally doesn't even know what he's speaking about, probably offloaded his whole brain to an AI already and his pea brain is rotted.
>>750287553AI slop is even worse than recycled assets. Stop defending jewish greed
>>750287359>yeah that's not really the problem, is it?That is indeed the problem because AI haters are mostly motivated by ideology. If you're killing art jobs it doesn't matter that the end result is high quality. But if your problem is>Most sloppers shit out something in 30 minutes, upload it to the shit slop site and do this every hour of every day because even a single retard who buys it for a dollar is enough to feed rajeesh and his villageThey're never gonna stop and never gonna disclose their AI use, they will just find ways of making it harder to spot for any automated tagging tool. Instead just make it harder and more expensive to create an account and upload a game to steam, it's gonna cut down on non-ai low effort games too.
>>750287214>But would you have noticed if a new game used AI to create grass, wood and brick textures?Just use the billions of already made common license ones that the AI was trained in anyway. Where do you need the AI? Crimson Desert AI paintings were completely pointless because historical paintings are Public Domain already, just use one of the real ones for free, takes like 2 seconds.>Or used AI to generate tree models?Funny you say that because the new Warcraft 3 graphics were having topology and clipping issues in basic fucking rock textures because of lazy AI upscaling. If you want hyper-realistic look then you take your phone camera with you, go to the woods, feed your photos to photogrammetry program and you get yourself a new tree. If you want stylistic look then using AI is pointless because it can't follow a style consistently.
>>750287553Wasn't this only the case of RE3, which was given to a smaller team? RE2 and 4 had some removed content from the original but also some additions.
>>750287624>Because of few retards on the internet, we should have the right to scam our customers!Theres that nigger talk again.
>>750287214>But where's your argument?What argument? AI is for lazy retards, and the fact you are dumping a folder of images someone else made rather than using your own words to reason your argument validates that.If using LLMs to make videogames is so widespread and mainstream then why cry about having to disclose it? You're the equivalent of a goyslop factory owner mad he's not allowed to sell his orange flavored drink made in from mixing water and chemicals as freshly squeezed juice
>>750287080>Steam's revenue share tiers: 30% on the first $10M of a game's lifetime gross, 25% on revenue between $10M and $50M, and 20% on everything above $50M.>These thresholds are tracked per game, not per publisher or studio catalog. If you ship five games that each earn $3M, every dollar across all five stays in the 30% bracket.>The tiers are also not retroactive. A game earning $12M total pays 30% on the first $10M and 25% only on the $2M above the threshold. The savings are modest until revenue scales well past the floor.These are all from one random "immutable" website that popped in my search results.Tim would've gotten a much better PR if he would've proposed lowering the bar. Not sure by how much and if by $ made or copies sold but nonetheless he might've caused a ripple that would've earned more people's respect. Too bad for him, and funny for us he went full retard.>>750286646Holy shit that will end up eventually worse than Steam's Marketplace. Each sale has a 15% cut (5% Valve, 10% game dev; can't be lower than 0.01(that's why you only get 0.01 on 0.03 items)). God damn.
>>750286690>B-but roblox takes 80% of the cut from small children, 50% is a hecking steal goyim!!!!!I can already see the argument.
>>750287614the #2 jew country is literally the only place in the world you find anti AI retardation lmao
>>750287624Next time try an artist whose name is not 1 letter away from Money
>>750277718>I think in like 5-10 years AI coding programs will be so widespread and sophisticated that basically everyone will use them.Everyone working at a software company is already using them now. It feels like I'm in the twilight zone watching you people so disconnected from reality.
>>750287624>They're never gonna stop and never gonna disclose their AI use, they will just find ways of making it harder to spot for any automated tagging tool.Works just fine with Pixiv, Sadpanda and Rule34video. Occasionally you get a pajeet trying to slip AI slop through the cracks but it gets removed very quickly after few reports.
>>750287614>this dogshit slop is worse than the other bad slop that not only removes entire features or mechanics from its original counterparts but also allows them to sell you a poor remake at MSRP and you will like itkill yourself, kike
>>750286916Why do AIfags always cherrypick low quality slop as a baseline like to compare against? AI didn't invent slop, it just made slop easier to produce.
>>750287624Yeah I hate you because of your skin color more than your ideology >They're never gonna stop and never gonna disclose their AI useUnless of course they get reported and removed which works fine for sites that actually care about the quality of shit that gets uploaded to them
>>750287681>>Because of few retards on the internet, we should have the right to scam our customers!OF FUCKING COURSE YOU FILTHY ANTI-SEMITE. STOP BEING SO BIGOTED GOY
>>750287164I was referring to modern comics in general, not that page in particoular.
Why bitch about something pro-consumer? I'm not a dev, why should I care about them more than me?
>>750285429The main problem with the “AI disclosure” is that no one has even made a distinction as to WHAT should get flagged. If the entire game is developed strictly with LLM prompts, then yeah— that game absolutely should get labeled as an “AI Game”. But if the dev is just using the LLM for help with building the game themselves, then no, that should *not* be classified as an AI-made game. Until that distinction is clearly made and can be very clearly regulated, then the label is absolutely fucking pointless and instead invites devs to get shit.
>>750275750Next Fes is happening right now and it would be a God send to filter out the 2000 games that use AI to the 200 that don't, you dishonest piece of shit.
>>750287771>picis this your way of telling us you're a tranny?
Everyday I dream of a world where this technology stopped existing. this will swallow everyone for the benefit of almost no one. All because people are lazy or want "quick money". Will also make mass surveillance much more common. Death of cultures, hobbies, jobs, privacy, nature, people...
>>750280703Because the customer demands it? Plain and simple? That's the end of the discussion. You want my money? You tell me if AI is in the game.
>be a game developer>use AI to learn new tools>use AI to fact check and spell check>uh oh, looks like i need to put the star of david on my game because AI helped me develop it
>>750287625>Where do you need the AI?Who said anything about needing? They're gonna do it anyway because it's easier and/or cheaper. I'm just saying you're not gonna notice every time.>>750287805They will just create another account.>>750287681I said nothing about having the right. I'm talking about the proposed solution not being a good one because it doesn't work.>>750287685>and the fact you are dumping a folder of images someone else madeFolder? I'm lazier than that, I found a thread in the archive and I'm just copying images from there. But I'm too lazy to keep doing it.>then why cry about having to disclose it?I'm saying it's stupid and doesn't solve the problem, because the people you want to tag their own games won't do it>>750287758That you have noticed, and it's only gonna get better.
>>750284105Tags are just tags, you can use them however you want.
>>750275750Its there so you can filter the AI, you dumb fuck.
>>750287909>If the game is made with ai then it should be labeled as ai>But IF I MAKE A GAME with ai and the LLM helps me it's not fairlmao Sorry Rajeesh, your game goes into the dumpster pile too
>>750287864DEI disclosure I agree
>>750287756In 5-10 years, software companies practically won't exist as any commerical software can be trivially cloned and redistributed for free. Most people won't be able to afford computers anymore, let alone basic living necessities after the complete and total collapse of the economy from as 95% of the population is laid off and out of work.
>>750288039>We shouldn't have rules because people might break them.Theres that pajeet talk once more. Why do you brownoids lack the concept of following rules and laws?
>>750287365
>>750288007Supply and demand is a two-way street, anon. Your demands don’t automatically get honored the same way whatever the market supplies doesn’t automatically guarantee sales. It’s when you can meet each other halfway that the sale gets made. And since what you’re demanding *isn’t* meeting the supplier halfway, then they have no reason to honor your request.
>>750287909Reminds me of translator's dilemma>use AI to find words (e.g. species of animals native to an area)>check with other sources (reference material, experts), confirm those ARE the correct translations after allShould you tag your translation as AI-assisted even though you'd have arrived at the same result without it, but at a later time?>inb4 cherry-pickedThe entire point of edge cases is to establish what should be counted as AI and what shouldn't
>>750283756Nigger he was the one who tried to poach and bring the exclusives cancer to PC, good riddance that he got scammed.
>>750288085performative racism from a faggot who worships niggers outside 4chan kek
>>750287771....Estrogen changes the shape of your fucking nose like that?
>>750288137You're proposing a retarded rule that's not gonna solve anything. If you yourself are saying third worlders don't follow rules and laws why do you think making an AI disclosure rule is gonna solve your problem, or help in any way? I already told you my proposed solution: make it more expensive to create a developer or publisher account and upload a game to steam. Has the bonus of also making it harder to publish non-ai slop
It's reassuring to see Tim on that side of the argument, because he has never been right about anything in his 55 years on this planet
>>750288238>You're proposing a retarded rule that's not gonna solve anything.Already solved the problem in porn sites. Keep seething pajeet.
If the game is good people won't care about AI so what's the problem in disclosing it? Eventually everyone will be using it and the disclosure will be superfluous.
>>750288182Video games are a luxury. There is no "supply and demand" when it comes to luxury products.
>>750287909Just be honest? If the game is vibe coded just say so. If the game uses genned assets just say so.Why are you trying to swindle people instead of just telling the truth?
>>750288238>If you yourself are saying third worlders don't follow rules and laws why do you think making an AI disclosure rule is gonna solve your problem, or help in any way?People would report the game and it'd get pulled for deceiving customers. Dev would get banned from the storeEasy as
>>750288007>I will not buy games that don't tell me they were made with AI>I will also not buy games that tell me they were made with AIOk, what's the next part of your master plan?
>>750288287it's already superfluous that's the point
>>750274068You're supposed to be mad about Gabe raping kids, yes
>>750287624>>750286692Won't that eventually lead to less sales overall? If the idea that devs use genAI without disclosing it becomes prevalent and nothing gets done about that people will simply stop engaging with new titles. Unlike other commodities, games are basically immortal. And with older gens dying and newer gens growing your best bet is that them being born into the AI era will make them more accepting of it as well as disregarding older titles, relative to them, like all games made in the 2000s and 2010s. And that's if you only game. Movies, music, books, even youtube videos, There's more pre-AI media that I can engage with than I have years to live.
>>750288329>Just eat the street food! Who needs food labels?
>>750288329....I buy the games that don't use AI in their development? Are you retarded? What was the point you were trying to make here? That there might be nothing coming out that doesn't use AI? If that's the case, welp, that's it for me as a customer and I won't buy the games.Are you actually fucking retarded?
The meta solution to this is simple: sell and market AI games as human-made, report human games as AI slop.
>>750288085Yes, exactly. The fact that you don’t realize that there is an actual distinction between these things is precisely why this argument exists in the first place.
>>750288393third worlders like you should be fine
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>>750288474>I buy the games that don't use AI in their development
>>750288489This. If I'm an Indian I'd just constantly flood Steam with my AI slop while reporting legit indie games that would have a hard time fighting back. When it becomes a big enough issue that indies start talking of moving away from steam then Valve will have to relax the AI disclosure rules
>>750288554shockingly low usage for western countries considering it counts people who use it "every few months"
>>750288360Then just slap an AI tag on every game and fuck it, people will se it's nothing bad if it's used well, troons will kill themselves and shut the fuck up.
>>750288191Yeah, this is exactly the reason why this whole thing is a clusterfuck. No one knows where to draw the line, and trying to make it an “all-or-nothing” thing is obviously bullshit.
>>750288638boomers unironicallypro AI countries have more young people
>>750288668>troons will kill themselves
>>750288554I wonder how these kind of graphs count as regular use, just work use? Dude asking random things?
>>750288694nah AI is just useless for the average personIt's a tool for managers, and even then they usually freak out and try to bring humans back once they realise LLMs aren't actually smart genies that can do anything and without any underlings they're now culpable for any mistakes they make
The real solution is to sign games made with SI, and tag unsigned games as AI. Players will be able to distinguish quality easily based on SI or AI
>>750288668>troons will kill themselves and shut the fuck upthat's a curious prediction
>no one cares if you use AI>gestapo will eliminate me if I admit I use AIwhich one?
>>750276195they did their fair share though, they earned that 30%
>>750288474>I buy the games that don't use AI in their development?
>>750288307Because what you are asking for isn’t an actual nuanced opinion of the game’s development. What you are asking for is a quick way to write it off, which isn’t fair. The fact that you can’t understand why this isn’t fair is, again, the reason why no one will take your demands seriously.
>>750288292You’re going to have to substantiate that claim, anon. I’m not an economics expert so correct me if I’m wrong, but the fact that a market exists for videogames means that there is, in fact, supply and demand at play.
>>750287909Isn't that already the case on Steam? I haven't searched much lately but I distinctly remember that under AI disclosure the dev said they generated some of the soundtrack. I assume other things such as translation partially or fully can be disclosed. Then again some anons here who don't bait at all say every game should bet the AI disclosure because everything is "powered by AI".Personally I wouldn't say it's an AI game if you asked a chatbot where in the documentation can you learn more about implementing a specific figure but others might consider it enough to market it as an AI game. Particularly the pro-ai crowd who wants any win possible, by any means, for izzat or something.
>>750289064I mean he doesn't have to be fair, the market isn't fair. It's his money and he can discriminate in how he spends it however he likes.It's just really funny to me that people still think there's a single software company in existence where NONE of the devs ever touched AI to finish a project in [current year]
>>750289182Not to mention that "supply" is theoretically infinite.
>>750288191You know devs can list how they used ai in the content disclosure, right?
>>750289064What's not fair about it? People care about this issue so you should disclose it. The fact you are so defensive shows you know you're in the wrong here, you want your factory slop to get the same labels as artisan works
>>750278438you could also just lie and say you're not using AI at all like this guy is doinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJdxCqxcdo0it's the most obvious claude/vibe coded shit and yet he just full sends and tells people he isn't, and he's getting a ton of praise in the comments which to your point here yes, gamers are dumb fucks
>not a single person in the world used AI to make video games prior to a few years ago>WELL YOU SEE OBVIOUSLY I HAD TO USE ITI'm glad Valve is bringing these people to the forefront, it's completely in line with their tagging features in general and is a great quality of life feature for people.
>>750289362Anon, you only seem capable of expressing your ideas in hyperbole, so I really don’t think it’s worth continuing this discussion with you any further. This anon made a better argument than you >>750289303, one that’s similarly hyperbolic but at least more grounded in reality.
>>750289701>AI was shit a few years ago >now it’s literally treated like an arms race You only have yourself to blame for not keeping up with the developments being made. Avoiding it has obviously done you 0 favors, anon.
>>750289362>artisan workslollmao evenwish I could ask you from 5 years ago what you thought about those "artisanal" works from ubislop. 0% AI went into them btw.
>>750289701>"EXCUSE ME THIS IS LILITH FROM STEAM HR WAS YOUR GAME MADE WITH AI?">answer: no (lie)
>>750289954Still made by a person instead of a chatbot
mmmmmmm ubislop, it's not made by pajeets using ai therefore good mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i am good little goy
>>750289954This, kekThese ESLs either have no idea how ridiculous their posts are or just don’t even care. Same stupid arguments being made for weeks nonstop. They just desperately want someone to talk to.
>>750290094This isn't about quality retard, it's about ethics. AI games all being slop is a tertiary issue to why people want this label
>>750289954>>750290094I would actually approve of necessitating the use of governments ID only to see the type of person that decides to go on 4chan on the vidya games board /v/ and just waste their time making hyperbolic statements. Much more entertaining than lolcows like DSP or Chris-chan.
>>750290259wow you're a bigger faggot than i thought. did CNN tell you that?
>>750290321any argument here or are you just going to seethe?
>>750290272keep crying punk ass bitch
>>750290259I'm not even against the disclosure of it, but it's laughable that anyone would try to argue that because human hands were involved from a company that pushes out nothing but soulless garbage that it is preferable to soulless garbage from a machine.
>>750290321Personally I don't form a stance on anything until I am told which stance corresponds with the color red and the color blue.
I don't mind a game using AI assistance, but I'm not buying your shit at remotely near fullprice as a result if you're going to be that cheap.
>>750289916>it's treated by an arms raceWe're racing with china to give china more of our data to ensure China can sell us lithium products forever. It's a race with only China winning, because every bit of money spent on American LLM development is a donation to China's simple distillations. We're spending our economy to ensue the highest quality blueprints to give to our "competitor".
>>750290574>that cheapAnon, these companies have been being cheap even before AI and charging the goys more than they should. Most of these games, AI or not, don't deserve the prices they demand.
