What did the allfather mean by this?
>humanity will reign supreme>95% of humanity will also work 20hr slave shifts in the factories 4% will do other shit and 1% will become lazy nobles that do nothing but scheme and fuck around and live in luxurycorpseemperorbros...
>>750295379>>750296063not to mention the Emperors plan was always 'psychic enslavement of humanity' into a Demiurgic Psycho-Matrix (as per the books) which is why Religion/Spirituality and thus Chaos had to disappear.It's what the Chaos showed Horus to convince him to bail. The 40k version of the setting is still a much better ending than what Empro wanted with humanity. It fits 40ks inspiration too>Chaos Gods are cosmologically Buddhist/Hindu with Greek styling>Emperor is a composite of 40 people who want to build a Demiurge as to feed off humanity and trap them out of the cosmos>Ends up turning humanity into a tiny recycling factory insteadVery Gnostic
Only one man had the wisdom to call him out on this.
>>750295379So he is going to stop the imperial cult, right?
>>750297948why would he want to
>>750297948even if he wanted to he couldn't. he's a corpse on a throne. he can't and will never do anything.
>>750296297The shamans forming the emperor thing was retconned a long time ago, you haven't even read the books you're talking about.
>>750298028He talks to his sons.
>>750298047The books suck and should be ignored or at least the Horus Heresy.
>>750298047>>The shamans forming the emperor thing was retconned a long time agowhen/where? havent read or heard anything about that
>>750296297>bro the scheming murder rape penis aids gods have humanity’s best interests in mindLmao
>>750296297Chaos wants to destroy humanity. The Emperor wants to stop Chaos from destroying humanity. It's a pretty black-and-white issue
We all agree the Perpetual's plan is stupid right?>If everyone in the galaxy except us due, Chaos would be destroyed It's so shit it got an Eldar Farseer to agree it's shit
>>750298335Why would chaos want to destroy the shit they feed off of?
>>750298335>Chaos wants to destroy humanityYou are wrong. The Gods need humanity in order to survive. Chaos is merely a cycle of death and rebirth that humanity is at the eternal whims of and it is useless to fight it.
>>750298341I just straight up ignore some things in the lore like the perpetuals and especially Erda
>>750298295this conversation happens every thread>humanity is a material, weakly spiritual race>the Chaos Gods are transcendental, spiritual 'Uber-Nature Gods' offer humans transcendence and immortality through unconventional means (if they weren't unconventional for humanity, humanity would already be immortal)>humans would die either way and go to the unknown>Emperor wants to trap humanity in his own little Archon-world>decides to spiritually paralyze humanity's spiritual development>gets knee capped by Chaos and used for Chaos' own design (which involves war, because the setting is Warhammer and thus everything is done through war etc)>the fate of humanity's transcendental, infinite life and experience is still ambiguous under the Emperors design so the Imperium literally outlaws knowledge of everything except their fabricated history to make humans dysfunctional enough to not realize anything, otherwise chaos would manifest everywhere
>>750296063>>750296297Malal knew all of this. That's why he murdered the Emperor( destroying forever) and placed Horus as the false Emperor on the throne, the II and the XI are the true sons of the fifth.
>>750295379Religion's place was Mars, controlling all of their industrial and scientific might.
>>750298638>>750298341The single greatest thing Eldrad ever did is killing every single Perpetuals involved after learning of their plan. It saved us from seeing that shit by 40k
>>750298560Chaos is just the worst facets of sapient beings reflected back through the warp. The gods are literally sentient vortices of emotion whose singular goal is to inspire that emotion in mortals so they can grow.This means that chaos does not need mortals to continue existing, only to grow more powerful. If all sapient life vanished tomorrow, the chaos gods would still continue to be, they'd just stagnate.
>>750299445but stagnation good
>>750299298Is Eldrad the one who tried to sit down and have a parley with Fulgrim?
>>750299560Eldrad tried to warn the Imperium of the coming heresy by contacting Fulgrim because of his reputation as a reasonable man. However by that time Fulgrim is already influenced by Slaanesh. Every events in 30k is futile because ultimately it all leads to 40k
>>750299515Only for Papa Nurgle, which is why he is also referred to as the Lord of All, since everything will eventually fall to entropy.
>>750299515Stagnation is death lol
>>750299749I think you have a point, the 30k books do all lead into 40k, we already know the ending so why make them in the first place?My personal perspective as a fan of real world history, history where we already know the outcomes it's more about knowing how the people of those times lived rather than about knowing the 'ending'. I remember now after you say it's Eldrad sensing Slaanesh in the Laer blade Fulgrim is carrying, where they bring in that Avatar of Khaine to fight Fulgrim, it's one of the last moments of combat with loyalist Emperor's Children fighting with (unknown to the loyalists) traitor Emperor's Children.
If it wasn't written in a book meant to aid playing the game it isn't relevant.
>>750298425>>750298560>Why would chaos want to destroy the shit they feed off of?Because they're retarded, paradoxical, and self-destructive. Kinda what CHAOS means. The same reason they destroyed the Warhammer Fantasy world. How do you think humanity would look like in the year of 40k if Horus had won the Heresy? Humanity wouldn't exist anymore. That's proven by the existence of Alpharius's character, who believes the only way to destroy Chaos is to let it destroy humanity, thereby starving itself
>>750300232>we already know the ending so why make them in the first place?Primarch models bring in the big bucks, they will bring every single one of them back to sell them to 40k players.
>>750300315Spoken like a true tertiary
>>750298425because that's what they are and that's what they do you dumb fuckThat's like saying Slaanesh could stop being degenrate and have virtue, Khorne could stop killing and become pacifist, Tzeentch could stop plotting and Nurgle could stop decaying.They can't, it's in their natureYou people are exactly example why knowledge should be kept away from peasants, you just make it worse with your retarded media lietracy
>>750300623Literally the opposite is true but I think you knew that already.
>>750300756Enjoy your Primaris lmao
>>750295379BaZedLook at current ru. Usssr was top country. Now praying is almost mandatory in ru, atheism is banned. They hate technologies, movies, etc
>>750296063That wasn't his idea.
>>750300883church goers fell off with all the shite going onpriest report to mod and it was favorite spot to yoink men for conscription
>>750300839It's been 9 years and the spiritual Father of WH40K (who I know you won't know his name unless I spoonfeed you) preferred the models of the Primaris over the First Born.
>>750301313Well, I guess we all eventually reach an expiration date in our thought processes :(
>>750296063I don't think much of the state of the imperium has much to do with his views and goals beyond the fact that it dominates most of the galaxy.That's like complaining that he brought in religion around himself. When we all know he didn't. Humans just went that way without him.
