>According to the Korea Creative Content Agency's "Content Industry Trends Analysis Report for the Second Quarter of 2026," 77.5% of the 120 game companies surveyed said they use generative AI. This rate was far above the average adoption rate of 45.6% across the content industry as a whole and was the highest among the 11 content sectors surveyed, including publishing (37.6%), comics (16.8%), and animation (68.9%).>In fact, recent entry-level recruitment in the gaming industry has seen "AI proficiency assessments" replace "coding tests." In an August posting for its second-half hiring-linked internship program, NexTorial, Nexon said it would eliminate the traditional coding test, previously a required step for game programmer positions. The aim is to assess candidates' ability to solve and verify problems using the company's generative AI tools, rather than simply how quickly they can write code.>"In development, generative AI has become an essential tool for survival, not a matter of choice," an industry official said. "The preference for talent who can direct AI as a creative tool, rather than simply code, will become even more pronounced."https://www.asiae.co.kr/en/article/2026102209501345075GRIM
if you dont use ai you are going to lose to competition. it is that shrimple
>>750303201>koreastopped reading there
>>750303201AI code is not the same as AI art and shit. There's a lot of mind numbing tedious work with coding that AI just does for you in a second.
korean games were already homogenized slop so i guess it's a perfect fit
>>750303201VERY grim
anything entertainment wise is genuinely fuckedretarded suits are going to burn everything down to the ground to save literally nothing
Company A:>strict no AI policy>determines that it's going to take 200 programmers 5 years to make game>either pays garbage wages or needs to sell 42 million copies to break even>sets purchase price of game at $80 to make up difference>microtranscations to shore up cash flow>eventually outsources expansions and future games to IndiansCompany B>uses AI>same game can be made in 2 years with 50 programmers>better wages for workers, less sales needed to break even>sells for $40>free updates>keeps using American/European workforceBut please keep telling me how AI is bad
>Korea>77.5% of the 120 game companies surveyeduh-huh...
>>750303587>Sells for 40 dollarsLol, it'll 80. They've already established it as a price point, it won't go down.Digital games should also be cheaper than physical copies and aren't.
>>750303436where is everyone going?
>>750303587>sells for $40See thats the neat part, it doesn't. They'll still charge 80$.
>>750303701>Digital games should also be cheaper than physical copies
>>750303840Going full digital reduces costs so why doesn't it reduce price?
>>750303587>Better wages for workersWon't happen>Sells for 40 dollarsWon't happen>Free updatesWon't happen>Keeps using American/European workforceWon't happen
>>750303701>>750303808>>750304053>it won't reduce costs! It won't!oops
>>750303201>KoreaLOL
>>750304112>asking AI if AI lowers costsObama_putting_medal_on_himself.jpg
>>750303201>According to the Korea>KoreaLMAO
>>750303587what will actually happen is they'll try to get it made in 5 years with 10 programmers, because AI can't speed up level creation, which is the real limiting factor in all AAA dev
>>750303712You know when they said you're here forever?They lied
Glad I got my Prompt Engineer Certificate
>>750304193>AI can't speed up level creationWhy the fuck not? Is this another "AI can't do hands" thing?
>>750303201Whatever man I stopped buying games like 10 years ago and wont go back to buying games until you start playing by my rules.
>>750303201>KoreaYou mean to tell me that the country controlled by 2 big chipmakers benefitting from AI bubble are saying that AI is beneficial? No way.
>>750304193Biggest bottleneck is playtesting, and NO, AI cannot fucking playtest.
>>750304112>It'll reduce costsYou have forgotten about the existence of satan's chosenites(jews). That extra money that's saved can go into EVEN MORE LUXURIES for themselves
>>750304220>Why the fuck notYou want all games to be Ubisoft sandbox garbage?>AI can't do handsIt still can't do hands, you have to use workarounds like direct references or 3D models, in other words you have to prevent the AI from trying to do hands by itself.
STOP MAKING FUN OF KOREA NOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!!!
>>750304220what? no, because you need someone to manually place shit as it is being made>>750304254it's the entire playtesting loop of reproducing bugs, figuring out why, and then fixing the bug. two stages of that AI can't do
Ah yes the korean gaming industry
>>750304112If they save money then those savings won't be passed down to the consumer.
>>750303712Twitter.Its basically 4chan nowadays but you get epeen.
>>750304302>You want all games to be Ubisoft sandbox garbage?even then you're waiting for assets to be made one at a time lol
>>750304302>you have to use workarounds like direct references or 3D modelsSounds like a good way to get a distinct visual style catered to your desires
some people are just going to deliberately ignore it until they can'tplenty of tedious time-staking white-collar tasks in every industry have been not only simplified but automated by this shitwhether the bubble pops now or later, cats out of the fucking bag
>>750304245You're thinking of Taiwan, Korea is the one where the country is controlled by 4 big megacorporations that control everything from electronics to construction, insurance, automobile manufacturing, chemical production, etc.
>>750304417>Sounds like a good way to get a distinct visual styleSounds like a good way to get inconsistency if you use direct photos for reference. Also if you already use 3D it tends to make the use of AI redundant. But if you slap "Made with AI omg the future is here!"-tag into your 3D model creation, clueless investors will shower you with money.
>>750304302>It still can't do hands, you have to use workarounds like direct references or 3D modelsLMAO
>>750304526>But if you slap "Made with AI omg the future is here!"-tag into your 3D model creation, clueless investors will shower you with money.May I see?
>>750304519Yes but I was referring to AI-relevant companies, Samsung and SK Hynix.
literal twitterjeet
wtf are ai prompting skills lmao, we'll just be prompting claude for like 40k per year cuz anyone can do it
>>750303201They're still hiring programmers and want people with coding skills. They just want to hire people for less and to do more because of AI.
When has 'games aren't coming out fast enough' ever been an issue? The industry is suffering from bloat and oversaturation.
>>750303201>The aim is to assess candidates' ability to solve and verify problems using the company's generative AI tools, rather than simply how quickly they can write code.Honestly this is way better. At least on the team I ran, the biggest problem wasn't that people could do the mechanical parts of the work but whether they could think critically, identify issues, and resolve them or send a communication for missing items. And that is hard to train.
>>750304631
>>750304220Because level design(assuming you're doing levels and not Open World slop or seed generation) is both structured and creative and the methodology behind it isn't a science. There's a lot of feel behind it. Something AI can't do as it's not a person. You need to challenge the player fairly with the mechanics you want them to learn and have already learned but balance it so it's fun for them without being out of whack with the rest of the levels. e.g. an early game level shouldn't be harder than a late game level but how do you define this for a prompt? Can the AI differentiate between fair and doable. How far can the player jump, how strong are they. What kinds of restrictions are in place.If you want good-great levels you need to do it by hand.AI could shit out levels that are on par with shitty licensed games likely with impossible jumps as the AI won't know exact distances that are acceptable for jumping as well as things like safety nets, hard routes, etc.It's just insanely complex since so much of good level design is feel and that's something AI can't do since it isn't alive.
>>750304537>Uses an AI model that uses 3D workaroundsThanks for proving my point.
>>750303201>being a chatbot pick up artist is now a valued skill
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>>750304112Literally no company is looking at AI and thinking "Wow, now we can charge customers less!" you lobotomized ape
>>750303436>>750303712Going down cause mods are more ban happy than before, i got a ban for saying shalom
>>750303712That chart doesn't show the actual user drop but the number of bot activity dwindling since 2020 (they are now much more efficient)
>companies are allowed to use AI to engineet software but you arent allowed to use AI to reverse engineer that same softwarfucking hell i hope the entire IT industry dies
>>750304679>an early game level shouldn't be harder than a late game level but how do you define this for a prompt?"For level 1 place enemies so that a player will not have to fight more than one at a time. For level two place them such that players will fight as most two enemies. For level three ect ect ect"Besides that AI can be used to handle much of the tedious elements, letting developers spend more time on refining things>>750304690>yes it took you 10 seconds to create professional quality art but it doesn't count because...uh it just doesn't okay?!
>>750303587>>sells for $40
>>750304881>AI can do hands! As long as you use other tools to make the hands!
>>750304770More specifically the expensive residential proxy detection service 4chan is paying for preventing that one retard from spamming constantly. I do wish 4stats actually recorded the "Current Users" from the front page, even if it's only sitewide.
>>750304836Rules for thee, not for me. Mantra of the westoid.
>>750304836Good news, it basically is dying. The utopian dream of AI that fully replaces knowledge workers will never come, and yet they are cannibalizing the tech industry as though it is going to happen in the next few years. At best you will have these gimmicky AI assistants who cannot be trusted to do work consistently or correctly. It's like having a highly productive and eager junior level employee who never checks his work and makes frequent mistakes, even after being repeatedly corrected on them. So you need a a staff of experienced, senior level employees to manage the AI, who replace all the junior level employees. The obvious problem (to people with brains instead of MBA degrees) is that if you replace all your junior employees with AI, you won't have any senior employees to replace the ones you have now, when they retire. This only works as a long-term strategy if you are planning on replacing the senior level with AI, but as I already explained, that's never going to happen with LLMs, they're not designed to function as a real abstract intelligence and they never will.
>>750303712>oldfags went to kiwitroons or fucked off entirely>newfags went to xitter>weens don't even bother visiting and at most post on shartyThe old internet is dying before our very eyes
>>750303587>Company B>uses AI>lazy slop made in 2 years with 50 indians.>human trafficking wages for the few poos, have to pull the game from Steam because of quality issues.>sells for 80 dollars>no updates because vibecoders have no idea how to do them.>keeps using poojeets.
>>750303201Kek, anti-AI troons can't stop losing.
>>750303436this is mainly because as a first-time poster you have to:>request a captcha>"No cookie detected! Wait 10 minutes then try again">wait 10 minutes>the captcha resets so for some reason you have to restart and wait another 10 minutes>do 7 ambiguous captchas>"Your IP range can't post without email verification! Go here to sign up!">do 10 more captchas, fail twice>ERROR: Invalid email provider! Only Gmail accepted!>do 10 more captchas>"Email sent!">it's not sent>close tab>never go on 4chan again
Is this really the future of gaming?
>>750303201>prompting skillsLike typing "NO MISTAKES"?
>>750305246>bacon soda
>>750304961>As long as you use other toolsAnd when every AI already has that tool embedded in it?
>>750305308it is actually a complete pain in the ass to get LLMs to function optimally. partly because they have relatively tiny context windows, and every instruction you give them degrades their performance by an unknowable %
>>750303201oh no boycott tranny bros, what happened? did the ludites lose again? this cant be happening
>>750303201I won't play 90% of Korean games.
>>750303587Americans and Europeans are absolete now. Companies only hire skillful prompt engineerers from India to do AI work.
This is a product of technology that we're betting the future of game development on.
>>750305360Then its a workaround. AI didn't get better making hands. Investors would get better returns if they would just invest in 3D and motion cap that makes the AI content for AI look better.
>>750304769mods are way more lax now
>>750304537AI art always has that shitty quality to it - charmless, artificial, and generic in expression.
>>750305432The description makes me believe this is real br*tish pub food
>>750303201>Korea Creative Content AgencyLOL! LMAO even!
>eat losses for years>people start to rely heavily on AI and neglect their own skills>once people are fully reliant jack up the price to become profitable>AI workflows are so ingrained that businesses have no choice but to pay up>everything gets more expensive again
>>750305492Right here buddy
>>750303436It could be worse, you could be /pw/
bot fucked up
>>750303712>he doesn't multi alt-chan and stays only on 1ngmi
>>750305532"Soda (bread/farl)" in like an Irish English muffin.
>>750305597>AI workflows are so ingrained that businesses have no choice but to pay upThey're already restricting the amount of tokens workers are allowed to use per week.
>>750305724I'd rather have bacon and eggs in pepsi than eat their weird rationfood
>>750305603You have to tell your Google AI assistant to crop the screenshot since you're too much of a sperg to do it yourself.
The only people against AI are retarded leftards that believe in the Marxist value of labor theory.
>>750305603If you had a soul, you'd've replied with something done with a pixel brush. I'd expect nothing less from someone with zero confidence in their self-expression.
>>750305848that’s called a kafka trap btw
>Games literally make themselves now>Still no fucking video games.
>>750303712We all got jobs, wives, and children now.
>>750305885>>750305790[:-)]
>>750306191Its way funnier in animation where main obstacle for new animated films is the fact animation is time-consuming and therefore expensive to make. Yet we don't have a flood of new commercial AI animated films despite shills constantly gloating how traditional animators are over. All we get is lazy slop for mobile phones.
>>750303587>things that didn't happen
This dude is reminding me that if 4chan had emoji support you’d see third worlders spamming them everywhere
>>750306437Yeah there would be 10,000 very original posts of the train emoji hitting the running brown man emoji and then a bunch of poop emojis
>>750303201>Nexon said it would eliminate the traditional coding test, previously a required step for game programmer positions.>One of, if not the worst companies on the planet, is saying that it doesn't want developers to know how to code.I know Korea and especially Nexon are like ground-zero for the worst industry practices but god damn.
>>750306259You seriously can't draw a simple reaction image - pathetic.
>>750306679Nobody likes smug stick figures. If you want to be a drawfag, draw smug girls with big titties instead.
The enshittification will continue for as long as people keep buying slop.
>>750306679There is a long tradition of emoticons ever since the mIRC days (ಠ_ಠ) i am not that anon but here, an image just 4U.
emotional
>>750306679>avatarfaggingHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA
I dont get how you AIfags dont understand that the natural path to vibeslopping everything forever with a big AI company's model is killing open-source movements and useful user-generated content. What happens when they decide, one day, to change terms of service so they have a level of ownership to any and all consumer level output and only let you make what they say is ok to make? What happens when they up the prices so high only commercial (who are now also enslaved by them because it ends up being more expensive to hire people with natural expert programming skills than to just pay the model fee to fix a buggy vibecodebase) can afford to make anything?
>>750303201>77%Isn't 90% of the industry that Isn't gacha already going under in the next five years?
>>750306801This is where you're wrong. We are in post consumer territory. Those companies are just doing circular financing and spinning the same money to infinity. As long at the governments around the world are being complicit this will continue. Epsecially the USA. If you are wondering who pushes *AI* into videogames and everything else.
>>750303201The tractor's been invented. You can still plow fields by hand for fun for your personal projects, but at work you're going to be expected to plow a tractor's worth of fields and you're not doing that by hand, so either you drive the tractor or someone else does.
>>750307176you already know the answer is that they’re paid to market a product and not answer questions
>>750303587>sells for $40>He thinks they'll "pass the savings along to the consumer"AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>750307284>everyone who owns an iphone is being paid to promote it!
>>750307248It has to be Burger Idi Armin, what a fag.
>>750303712not interested in effort posting when all I get are responses from chat gpt after they copy pasted my post into it, prompting>counter this argument be visceral, cutting, masterpiece make no mistakes.let alone how many posters are just flat out bots.this site is dead as shit. good barometer for this is how the /trash/ monhun general is altogether a better experience with far higher real response density versus the one on /vg/.the only way you get to interact with genuine humans instead of illiterate speds with gAyI, indians, or actual demons; is by either being so autistic your interests repulse them, or through obscurity. achieve both and you can actually have something like a conversation on the internet.
>>750304193>because AI can't speed up level creationI thought that too, then out of grim curiosity I asked Opus to make a level in the same style as ones I had made over the course of a month. In 10 minutes it spit out a 98% usable map. It even pointed out "yeah I couldn't get the last 2% perfect because X, Y, and Z, but you can probably finish that yourself." AI is revolutionizing game development. Devs are going to be able to make a handful of examples of what they want, say "Cluade fill out the rest," and get three years' of maps done in three weeks.
>>750305246Why were they genetating food pics in the first place?They are just a hub for already stablished chains and restaurants, ask them to provide the fucking pictures
>>750304679>AI won't know exact distances that are acceptable for jumping as well as things like safety nets, hard routes, etc.AI is better than humans at that because it knows the character run and jump speeds implicitly, even before the dev gets muscle memory for the game.
>>750307473you should have read my other posts, where i pointed out that the reason for that is because assets keep being made so you have to constantly update the map
>>750307403Whom’st are you quoting
>>750307661Because in a normal, multi-year, time span the development process goes on long enough new ideas trickle in. AI development cranks up the speed of everything so much very little has time to change between the beginning and end.
>>750303201Once all devs are hooked to vibe coding they will jack up the price then the pendulum swings back.
>>750307483Just another classic example of company believing they are using AI to "enhance" their product when really its just used as a cheap substitute for giving a shit and/or putting in any real effort.
>>750307807>new ideasno it's because 3d modelling is time consuming lmao
>>750303201Coding by hand is something you do as a hobby, not a career. Code is not an artistic representation of human intent, it is a utility required to make the computer do what you want it to do. The real shit show happens when the corpos force the artists to slopify too.
>>750303201HOPEFUL
>>750304112god mobileniggers are always just the worst most retarded posters
>>750307421No, it's this guy. Nobody knows who this fucker is but he's been spotted everywhere with important AI figures and politicians.
>>750308339>The real shit show happens when the corpos force the artists to slopify too.Anon I...
I’m so fuckin scared guys I’m not sure what industry I’m supposed to even pivot to
>>750307250>but le industrial revelation you luddite!The Industrial revolution analogy is not applicable. The industrial revolution came at a time when demand far exceeded the supply and human labor was the primary bottleneck to ramping up production. Being capable of producing at a 100x the rate resulted in selling 100x more products which results in economic growth and prosperity.For games, the current supply of games already by far exceeds demand for games, even with existing very high production costs and long production times. There is far more games being produced than there is demand for them. And this is before AI is part of the production process. Being capable of producing 100x more games will not result in selling 100x more games. It's also perfect example where excessive over-supply and over production will if anything create new markets for more exclusive hand-crafted artisanal goods.
>>750304537NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>750303201It's hilarious how every company sees their own destruction as a matter of survival. Quickly, quickly pour more gasoline on yourself, we have to prepare for the great fire.
>>750304537Anon those hands are shit
>>750308959Ironically the only digital content creators that can survive this are high tier artists because they already existed in a space where they generated value from worthless things, even 99% of them will be wiped out but all knowledge work is dead. The only things that feel secure are care jobs, regulating AI and fixing machines.
>>750303201
>>750303587>same game can be made in 2 years with 50 programmersWhere? It's been close to half a goddamn decade of AI being forced into the workplace. Where are all these cheapo AI games being churned out?Hell, Level-5 destroyed their reputation by diving head first in AI development and their games are STILL taking forever to come out. If anything they've basically fucked themselves over in the long run because this shit is proving to be objectively inefficient.
>>750303201Does Microsoft pay you to make these hundred Ai threads or do you do it for free?
>>750305246That potato jacket is pretty based thoughNo, I am not Irish
>>750313128You joke, but we know that AI companies are spending billions on shillfarms to try and push a pro-AI narrative because their livelihood literally depends on it. 4chan is arguably one of the most if not the most influential social media platform in the world, so there's a non-negligible chance any pro-AI post is bought and paid for.
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>>750304769Damn, mods are actually starting to do their jobs? Nice.You can enjoy going back to tw*tter I guess.
It's obvious game devs already didn't hire quality programmers. Look at how they all use Unreal Engine 5 and all the games runs like shit because they don't know how to optimize anything. Tim should revert back to how UE4 handled all the technical stuff for developers since devs don't know how to handle technical stuff either...UE4 ran so much better than UE5
>>750313350>6m views>39k likesOOF
>>750313350Isn't this every job, even before AI?
>>750307176You would not say this if you understood the technology. "AI" is software architecture and algorithms. Anyone can do it and you don't need teracluster supercomputers to do useful stuff. Small models are getting better all the time). The frontier models are of course extremely impressive but all the big labs could vanish overnight and the technology is still going to be everywhere in the future because it's a useful branch of computing. The level of control you're talking about is simply not possible without some kind of singularity gigabrain overlord, in which case civiliation would change so much it's impossible to talk about here.
>>750303201In a few years its going to be so effortlessly easy for human made projects to stand out that anyone with a modicum of game development skill will be raking in millions while AIslop sits unsold.
>>750313350Social media is full of posts like this on all subjects imaginable. It's standard social media whining. If this was a reddit post you'd probably call it out instantly. You cannot get a good sense of reality by listening to such people. Also, consider that lots of people work for low-tier companies and bosses that were incompetent before any of this happened.
>>750303712Discord and twitter
>>750303249Nooooo.... I hate technological advancements! I want to plow fields by hand!
I don't understand where AI is supposed to be making more money for everyone. Supposedly we're at the point where Claude can just about do anything with some kind of effort involved so going by that standard things are just going to get easier in time. Once we arrive at the point where anyone can ship a fully functional game with Claude why would you charge it? If anyone can make a game with a subscription then there's no real point in selling it anymore and it begs the question, how do you make money off it?
what are "prompting skills"
>>750314262So AI made true communism is what you're saying?
>>750313459Not in America. We used to practice personal integrity and acknowledge the importance of quality in all things.
>>750313361Find a bullet kike
>>750314352>Not in America. We used to practice personal integrity and acknowledge the importance of quality in all things.
>>750314343In terms of software, I guess? I don't feel too bad about subscription software dying because fuck Adobe because it does propose serious questions in how monetizaiton in software is going to work from here on out.
>>750305098Defaulting to kiwifarms for this question is some crazy work. I hope you feel better
>>750303201Good.AI is the future.I am very glad that luddites are coping and seething endlessly, this is what they deserve.Luddites have less value than the dirt on the ground, their vain attempts to hold back progress are utterly contemptible.
>>750304112i genuinely worry that this is not a troll and in fact, someone's real, unfiltered retard way of navigating the world.
>>750312291>Where are all these cheapo AI games being churned out?boom. it's here. >>750314558
>>750303201This is great news. I went from programmer to proompter. We’ve streamlined our coding process to almost be AI exclusive (bar some human checks to satisfy soc2). Bad news being I couldn’t pass an entry level coding test today (haven’t coded myself seriously for years now). I’m not passionate about it. Just wanna play video games.
>>750314262When everyone has the same tools available the bar goes up. Nobody is gonna be paying for generic roguelite crap anymore, you'll have to be a little more exceptional than that. AI can't be exceptional on its own in that sense (yet), it needs someone with a concrete vision to tardwrangle it into reality
why do you all shill it so much if its just the way its going to be now? just go out and make something with it if youre so sureless competition for you if i dont
>>750303201>people will get fired left and right, so the new Gen will have less reasons to joint a company/start a company to make a game, Corporations willl make more money by firing people but the prices of games will stay the same or keep going up, the games will be worse in term of quality, they will run like shit on expensive hardware even with Ai slop and meme tech, somehow they will still need 5 years to make a game etcThings will keep going to get worse until a crash, people won't pay 1500-2000 for a console and 5-6k for a PC
>>750303201>AI is a force multiplier>decide to only use it to multiply a mediocre forceWhat the fuck? Garbage * 100 is still garbage, and we've seen this with every single other technological advancement that has made non-coding "coders" more viable. This is no different. Why the fuck would they do th-->NexonNaruhodo
>>750314917People who are dirt poor find a way to order doordash 3 times daily plus go on vacation abroad a few times a year. You underestimate the tenacity of the average person
>>750303587We had dev teams of less than 15 people making all time masterpieces in less than a year ON THE REGULAR in the 90s and early 2000s. This shit about needing hundreds of devs for a game needs to go. And no higher graphical standards don't change fucking anything.
>>750315091You can't really compare that to the landscape of today. They were playing on easy mode in terms of how much competition they had, how stable their job was, how many video game ideas were datamined, how male-dominated their field was, etc etc
>>750303587man, you are fucking clueless
>>750306236>We all got jobs, wives, and children now.Huh? When did they release that Minecraft DLC?
>>750313868Ok so i should trust your social media post instead lol?
>>750303587I am still waiting for games from Company B. Every game I've seen made with AI so far have been copies of indie games.
>>750303587>better wages for workersHa. Haha...Hehe...AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOOK AT THIS RETARDED FAGGOT AHAHAHAHA LOOK HOW FUCKING STUPID THIS DIPSHIT IS AHAHAHAHAHA
>>750315670Expedition 33 won GOTY last year and was Company B.
>>750313752They wont vanish though. What will most likely happen is a few smaller companies will die when the bubble bursts, and then the large ones with billions in federal and commercial backing will be bailed out to prevent a market collapse. They dont need some global system to exercise control, they just have to hold their breath long enough for vibecoding to become normalized and then they can have the keys to the kingdom. Just because you CAN build your own model doesnt mean youll ever be capable of competing with a multi billion dollar industry thats actively normalizing and enmeshing itself into every facet of commercial society.
>>750312291>Where are all these cheapo AI games being churned out?So we're just going to completely ignore all the controversies from people finding AI artwork leftover in games? Also we're not even five years from DALL-E generating incomprehensible blobs, you lying faggot. Every single company is using the fuck out of AI. You don't have a job if you're going to pretend otherwise.>>750304760This. Prices don't go down. Once companies feel they can sell at a certain price, it will never go back down. Game developers are still trying to argue that games should cost MORE despite the industry making more money than ever before, eclipsing every single other form of media. They save a fuckton of money thanks to digital sales. They squeeze the fuck out of people with complete editions, season passes, lootboxes, day one DLC, etc. etc. Yet somehow, inexplicably, games need to cost 70-no, 80-no, 90 dollars or else these poor little enormous companies are going to starve. Making more money than ever before and more than anything else, by the way. But still, they need to cost more because...In Ohio they suspended the tax on gas because Trump fucked it all up. It didn't even take half a week for gas stations to raise prices up to what they were prior to the tax suspension. You don't understand how the rich think. They simply GET money. That's it. They just GET it. Like a child "gets" something they feel entitled to. AI will not lower the price of games. It won't lower the price of anything. It will lower the costs for richfags. It won't lower prices of anything. Nothing gets any better until people start killing politicians and richfags. There's no fixing this shit.>TL;DR:Game prices are never going to get lower, you fucking idiot.
>>750303808>>750303701Well-done. A different company (from China) shows up and makes well-priced cultivation games for $20. You got outcompete'd.
I don't care if a game is made with AI as long as it's good. The problem is that games are very rarely good, not that they aren't made with genuine human inputs or code. I can't even see the code when I play a game, so why would I care the method used to code it? Also code is just a language that humans have to learn and my goal isn't playing a game made by the person/people who are best at writing that language, so if they use what is functionally a translator to generate that language who cares? Otherwise you could also argue that if they don't build it in a language that's further from human language it's an inferior game, which is retarded.
>>750318479The better result of AI in my opinion would be more creative individuals and small teams eventually being able to make games that compete with higher budget polish without it taking them 20 years. Undoubtedly there are many people who would make good games if only it were more accessible. And an individual is more likely to have an uncompromising creative vision instead of the motivation of "appease the business majors who are ruining literally fucking everything with their insistence on maximum profit"
>>750303201>the Korea Creative Content Agency'swhen I see Aion2 I see this article as a suicide note
>>750318562Getting mad about people using AI to code is like getting mad at a chef for not mining his own salt or catching his own fish. Who gives a fuck? The point is whether the meal is good.
>>750314494>Defaulting to kiwifarms for this question is some crazy workNTA but a lot of KF is made up of old board trolls and those who frequented CWCki forums and were dedicated to alogging culture. You can tell by their posting style they aren't too dissimilar from the zoomers who make random eceleb threads.
>Another luddite LAlmost not even enjoying it anymore
>>750314262Just because everyone can make fully functional games that doesn't mean that they will be of equal quality. Anyone can write a functional novella, for example.
>>750314352> America> qualitylol. lmao even.Never once in my life have I ever heard anyone advocate to buy American if you value quality.The opposite actually: over my life time I have had copious volume of warnings to *not* buy American if you value quality.
>>750303201Yes AI is useful. Claude saves a lot of much time not waste to fix the code
>>750303587Why would I buy your shitty ai game when I just make the shitty ai game myself.
>>750303201The great equalizer. Indians will replace overpaid western devs since Indians are better and more accepting of using AI. Indians are also hardworking, doesn't insert politics into gaming, and extremely affordable. You can hire 10 indians for 1 western dev. AI = All Indians future.
People will look back on the pajeet era with warmth in their hearts.
>>750303712A bunch of oldfags fucked off to still functioning sites. There's a monumental amount of channers on rpg codex for example.The rest are on twitter and discord probably
AI bubble bros... It's not popping...
>>750319439>>750303712Social media sucks, so a lot of us just don't even use anything anymore.
>>750319248good morning saaars
>>750303201>KoreaUtterly meaningless.
>>750303587>describes the complete inverse of realityEvery single fucking time.
>>750303201@grok give me a prompt that gives the best possible output when asking claude for code.make no mistakes.prompting is a solved problem
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>>750314569M$ Nutella said in an interview a year or so ago that he uses copilot to summarise a podcast and then "talk" with it about it.Might've been just pr talk but all the boneheaded decisions they made lately makes me think that he, and probably others, really think that way now.
>>750303436This is 100% due to the absolutely insane captcha shit they're doing (which doesnt actually stop marketers or shill chatbots that they're letting through intentionally). Yes the captchas are easy to me, but I recognize that they aren't to everybody, and if some shit is too hard for somebody they're just gonna move on.
If you make software, you're at a massive disadvantage if you don't use AI now. It's that simple.
I feel bad for those poor AI to have to translate incomprehensible pajeet """"english"""" into something understandable.
teacher here - if you were a student, ideally how would you want to be graded on assignments (coding or otherwise) that allow you to use AI?
the problem with vibecoders is the illusion that you control the project, when speech is something you forget half a day after doing it, so after a month "your" project is just a blackbox where the only notes on what it does and how it does it is another AI generated "document" nobody will read because it's AI text. And worse, nothing traks who did what in the project, so there is no responsibility on whatever is happening.
>>750303201>the only job AI replaced in the end was programmerthis feels like divine punishment
>>750321130>The person with zero influence on the game design in a big companyAh, yes. Fitting.
>tfw no "AI skills" on the resume
>>750304364How does one use Twitter pseudonymously?
>>750303587Why are AIjeets always so delusional? Enjoy paying 100 dollars for AIslopped "games".
>>750303201south korea is what americans think china is like
>>750303201>Koreastopped reading there. I don't care about bug people who were governed by a feminist cult for a good long while. ( Probably still ongoing LOL ).
>>750303587>sells for $40Who's going to tell him
You mean the country that keeps re-releasing the same old sex doll pay 2 win trash is now using ai to make their no effort copy pasta instead of doing it themselves?
>>750321916Hey don't be harsh and unfair.They do generic open world sandbox games too.
>>750321094Minimized token usage. If program produces expected outputs, the rest of your non-failing grade is a bell curve based on how low your token usage was to achieve it. That’s the cost that any future employers will want to minimize and it’s the cap all the datacenter corpos are rate limiting (because inference isn’t profitable).You want to grade the ability to vibecode, it’s how few tokens it takes you to get there.
>>750322052>Minimized token usagegood point.however, token usage is something that students would need to self-report - most students don't even report that they're using AI for their work unless they're forced to do so, and even then they can choose to be dishonest about the extent of its usage. >You want to grade the ability to vibecodedefinitely, but what else shifts in terms of grading schemes now that we know the 'expected output' is easily achievable with AI? as an example, students cannot outsource their cognitive critical thinking when it comes to theory or practical tests, however, obviously, these tests also do not test for things that projectwork can - things like peer collaboration, etc. should we now consider going back to a grading format where most of the students' grades are determined by written or practical exams/tests over projectwork?
>>750303436>Allow the site to be flooded by jeets and bots>Act surprise when everyone starts to leave
the reason jeets argue for ai is because it defends their personal lack of skill at...anything really. to them, the ai's skill is the indians because he can say he is an "artist" or "coder" burn the indian subcontinent to the ground
>>750303712bingo
>>750321916its crazy to think these garbage "games" make billions and people pay for slightly moving ai-generated imagesi will never understand
>>750307442>See thread with topic I'm interested in>Someone is getting stuff factually wrong and derailing the thread with arguing>Correct them politely to try and get thread back on tracks>Hissyfit reply and accusing me of being fanboy of y/x/z and yell I'm tranny who is lying>Try and politely correct him again, with more in-depth explanation why he was wrong>"leftist meme" and more strawmaning>Other anons join him>E-celeb opinions and American political discourse>Decide to just report and go away because it seems pointless to even try to engage with them, mods will nuke them soon enough>After gaming few hours, see that the 80 reply thread is now almost 300 replies>Check in>Still arguing about American politics and blacks>Decide to report them too>"you have been banned">My in-depth explanation was deleted for "off-topic">???>Some anon/bot has been talking about black crime statistics and why Trump will bring day of the rope for 3 hours and not gotten any warnings or bansThere is no reason to use /v/. I just mainly check Famitsu for lulz and that's that. If I want good company, I go to /trash/. If I want vidya discussion, even Discord servers are better. And that's just fucking sad.
>>750303587Too bad "Company B" here is a complete fantasy. Reality, from the perspective of someone who works for a company that's all-in on AI:> Game releases even more broken than usual> Game still costs 80> Worker pay goes down because the job market is even more shit now than before, AND now you're expected to do 3 to 4 times the amount of work because retard business heads treat AI like its a magical panacea
While the prospect of total technological collapse does not bring me joy, I am morbidly interested in seeing it play out.
>>750303712>>750319501ThisOr dicksword or steam forums or somethingI haven't regularly visited v in like 8 years I think? Even the exception threads that are usually good are bad now GDQ is pozzed shit full of "where are the trannies XD" posts rather than actual discussion and Next Fest hype was killed by the cunt who keeps posting the pre-release press version every year + ai slop spam.There's very little meaningful discussion to be had on /v/. Its coombait and if you call that out you are gay, its AI slop and if you call that out you're a jeet, its just making shit takes to bait for replies and if you call that out you're a jew, etc. Tribalism killed /v/ more than anything else.I remember when the board was mostly actual screencaps from games and discussion, but that's not the case anymore. Not its off-model fanart or ai slop ass pics and "is peach good for u".Or you get the cliques and schizoes. Can't say anything bad about any FF or KH game or similar or you are "Barry". Barry was like half a decade ago, he probably doesn't fucking post anymore, but apparently everyone who does not like these games is "barry"Can't say Strangers of Paradise combat is piss easy and boring (which it is) because the clique who seem to have largely not even fucking played it will call me brown with no argument beyond that (as you don't need any on /v/)Can't say DMC5 making all the girls naked damsels who need rescue was insulting to series staples or I'm gay. If a character is female, I HAVE to not have standards for how they're treat, or I have sex with men, its that simple.MGR is the same, Nier was hyped entirely by coomers... so many games /v/ likes seem to be entirely hyped by tribalism and there's no nuanced conversation to be had. So many topics don't even HAVE gameplay discussion, its just "look at this ass"Its barely worth visiting /v/ and I only do so when Next Fest or sales threads are up, the only time people discuss games.
>>750303436election tourists leaving is not a bad thing at all.twitter is a way better platform for them right now.
>>750306236sure buddy
>>750307442>good barometer for this is how the /trash/ monhun general is altogether a better experience with far higher real response density versus the one on /vg/.or maybe monster hunter is just fucking shit now so porn posters who dont have to give a shit about the quality of the games dominate.you are still here btw.
>>750324021desu you are gay and the actual issue is that they made them ugly like most RE Engine girls.
>>750304631its an issue now.you are insane if you think there's oversaturation right now.
>>750305246this sounds like a publicity stunt because the results are too hilarious.
>>750324021Pretty sure rapeape was bought out by some corposhills too because any organic discussion for a game is usually removed for no reason while sonic, pokemon, GTA6 and twitter screencap threads are always active and never removed.pic unrelated
>>750324213>you are still here btw.This is the worst argument and desperate attempt of disregarding someone's actual criticism of a thing. Would you see that as a legitimate retort of your complaints about your local pub's collapsing state? Or your own favorite site's or game's quality?I recommend usually to see how your argument would work if used against you. Thinking from 3rd perspective and shit you know.
>>750303249thread shouldve ended here
>>750307483But AI is cheaper.
>>750324021>Can't say DMC5 making all the girls naked damsels who need rescue was insulting to series staples or I'm gayThis feels like some shit you just made up. I swear I've been in every fucking DMC5 thread since 2019 because I love that game and I've never seen this argument. That Lady and Trish got bogged to bejesus and back by face scan shit? Absolutely. That it's a shame we never got the ladies' night DLC to make them playable? for a while that was a thing. That Red Hot Night is a broken move? 500 replies omitted, click to view.But I never saw anyone having an argument over Lady and Trish's lack of agency. Which is kind of a stupid argument, the entire point of the game's structure is that this time around the big bad slaps Dante in face, and rips Nero's fucking arm off, I don't understand why him being powercrept over DMC3 means Lady is now a "damsel in need of rescue" rather than simply being outscaled.
>>750303436that's because 90% of phone IP got banned for cp shit. And zoomers don't want to invest in a pc, not even a laptop, it's unc work shit they are too good for that.
>>750305246>no pics of "fuck the duck until exploded"lame
>>750324468the actual argument came before that sentence.you being here is also valid observation because you speak for those who left but still remain here.and many of my favorite series got raped, like monster hunter with World or Street Fighter with 6. I stopped playing them because of that.
>>750324619Imo its a kinda useless point because Lady and Trish arent even some prime characters at all. By 4 they were completely tacked on already.They worked when they were tied to the narratives of the games they came from. Past that DMC cannot support so many characters story wise. Its too much. They probably shouldve just kept them out but DMC5 is too obsessed with referencing everything for that I guess.
>>750324619I've posted the exact issue multiple times and been called gay for it, mostly when the game was new. Then I stopped bothering to visit the threads because people were no longer discussing mechanics, map design, etc. It was just meme pics and for some reason arguing about ninja gaiden
>>750303712Some went to twitter, some also to twitter but with troll's guilt, others became unironic normalfags and don't talk on the internet anymore. Most people don't hang around on 4chan for longer than 2-4 years.
>>750303201Isn't now a good time to learn programming for real, so that when the situation eventually comes when they realize nobody has any fucking clue what they're doing anymore and nothing's working, they'll pay you anything to teach them again?
>>750305436Gosh, her smile's so darn cute.
>>750303201Of course Korea likes this, 70% of their games are generic as shit or rip off of other games
Learn to prompt luddites.The future belongs to us.Join us or be obsolete.
>>750325103It's a good time to get into programming in general at the very least because you will be able to untangle whatever spaghetti code AI spews out while actually having a clue what it actually does which will put you miles ahead of pure vibesloppers.
>>750325210Don't you need to have a pretty clear idea what the code does and how it works to be able to prompt it in the first place?
>>750325038>It was just meme pics and for some reason arguing about ninja gaidenIt's a shame you missed the Ninja Gaiden 4 threads, they were 50% arguing about DMC. It do be like that.
>>750325285Pure vibesloppers operate on a "chat gpt, write a program for me" basis and burn a trillion tokens in the process for the most basic things.
>>750325103You will always be better off if you have a good foundation in programming even if you use AI coding tools.But news like that are generally bad news.Unfucking bad AI code is hell. There will be more competition that will lower wages. Entry level positions that let you grow and make a name for yourself will be less common.Real programmers will have a big advantage but its gonna get really ugly I think.
>>750303201>KoreaExplains how mid desert featuring Jon snow from temu got made
>>750325330Didn't miss, just don't like that game at all (even the one good design it has it kills off???) and I don't like to enter threads just to say "thing u like is bad"
>>750325403I think traditional backend jobs will slowly get replaced with 1 man swiss army knives who double as devops or administrators down the line.At the same time, the amount of digital services will continue to grow explosively so there's always going to be work somewhere.
>>750303587>better wages for workers, less sales needed to break even>sells for $40>free updates>keeps using American/European workforceYou don't live in reality bro
