help
>>750311324IIRC, the solution involved teleporting multiple items/bodies at once.
>>750311324Restart, push the pair into the back wall
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>early heroes x beams>mfw this doesn't workbeamcasters first level taught me bad habits lol. getting that left boulder in place was annoying too
>>750311730you keep making this joke but it doesn't make sense because j blow isn't indian
>stage reset is broken>no new patch in over a weekDid they abandon the game already?
>>750312363>completely ignores the Arabic setting
>>750312597Nigger Arabic is Arab, not jeet
>>750312742Sure thing brah(min)
Ok I think I'm about to be done with the game before taking a long break or just stop. I have a lot to say about it. 1. The story. can someone explain what the story is even about? all the audio records are just some random woman yapping about the creation of the world and merging different properties of multiple worlds blah blah blah. but what's the point? what is she trying to say?2. My favorite type of puzzles: Skipping Stones > Mirror >>>>>> Heroes > Beam. Beam is especially dogshit, especially when it's huge, multi-screen puzzle where I have to collect like 20 gems. fucking hell, man. not fun at all. I prefer small puzzles in general, but the more I play the bigger the puzzle area on average.3. The length of the game. I feel the game is too long, too much. and I really don't like adding Height into the equation. I really should've stopped after 1st ED, but now I already fell for sunk cost, might as well finish the 2nd ED. 4. Animal Well. I think it forever changed expectation of a puzzle game in puzzling scene. everyone expected a puzzle game to have multiple "layers" , also because of that one big puzzletuber pushing the jargon. These people try to apply "Layer" to this game Layer 1 - Layer 2 (sky) - Layer 3 (underground), but to me that's completely inaccurate. "Layers" in Animal Well refer to the "Depth" of the World. in Animal Well, once you've finished every individual puzzle in the world, the world itself became puzzle (2nd layer), and eventually the real world also became part of the puzzle (3rd layer). The SIZE of the world of Animal Well doesn't change at all, it only became deeper.meanwhile in this game there's no depth at all. you clear more puzzles, which unlock more areas, which unlock a new world, so you go to that new world to clear more puzzles and unlock more areas... all that simply increases the SIZE of the world. Nothing fundamentally changes in how you approach the puzzle. You're still clearing collection of individual puzzles.
>>750313964I like the beam levels but there is absolutely no point to ever use the close camera, you have to play with the zoomed out one
>>750313964Oh I liked the long beam puzzles. It felt like an adventure and thinking outside the box and sequencing.I generally liked heroes, but bard can eat a dick, druid feels very situational (you'll never guess what his puzzles involved), and the cleric was a little finnicky to get the gap hopping working right sometimes (that's generally what her later puzzles are like). I don't mind the push/pull, loved the wizard.Mirrors are great. I appreciated stones more after playing with them, but they're not my favorite.>LengthAgreed. There's lots to enjoy, but it's a lot. Probably good to play an hour or two randomly here and there so you don't get burnt out.>Animal WellHave you played Void Stranger?
>>750312006Yeah, I was looking to do something like that too. Then I realized I was overthinking everything.
>>750314127I like the busty short haired MC
>>750314912Gray? Yes, she's kind of motherly. The game has a tone of doomed yuri.If you haven't explored it deeply, you should, there's a lot to the game as you understand more
>>750313964I guess the game is about puzzle design, i.e., creation of the game itself, who knows? Very autistic and out of touch. There sure are your money's worth of levels, mostly good (before ascension) but the overall package just feels uncreative and unsatisfying.
ok
>>750312597There are also the European, Chinese, Hawaiian(?), and vaguely Mayan settings.
>>750315454>The game has a tone of doomed yuri.Thank, not touching that with a 10 meter pole.
>>750315454>The game has a tone of doomed yuri.Thank, touching that with my bare hand immediately
>>750316174Heh, we call that "cultural appropriation", chuddite
What is the Damascene School? Is it a real place Jon took inspiration from, or something made up?
> solve hundreds of puzzles to get to the ending> spend 2 hours trying to figure out how to go back to playing because I'm too stupid to notice the lack of a railing on the bridge at the end of the credits Having the final level goal clise the game and return you to the real world was a nice touch
for what purpose
>>750316986It's a metalworking style from Damascus.
For the sake of being an annoying asshat, I'm going to start referring to this style of game where you solve puzzles to unlock new abilities to solve more puzzles as "Mystroidvanias"
>>750317483Metroidbrainia
>>750317483But this is not that kind of game. Only the big beamcasters levels are like that.
>>750313964>Animal Well. I think it forever changed expectation of a puzzle game in puzzling scene.This game was in development before Animal Well, and the layers concept was in planning well before Animal Well was announced.The Witness started the tradition of having a second "level" to the game, although there it was more recreational.>all that simply increases the SIZE of the world. Nothing fundamentally changes in how you approach the puzzle.The game continuously introduces new ideas and emergent behaviors from its mechanics; almost no two levels involve the same idea, although those ideas spring from common mechanics. If your takeaway from the worlds is that they involve just more puzzles to solve, you're not getting it.
>antipode highgetting my ass kicked by these i had to look up the solution to the purple beam and mirrors one
>>750313964>The story. can someone explain what the story is even about? all the audio records are just some random woman yapping about the creation of the worldit's a meta-story about the ideation behind the game and the levels. i watched the dev streams for a long time and suspected the order would be a metaphor for the actual game production. it's kind of interesting gleaning insight into its creation through the logs tbdesu
>>750313964>>750316986This game is an in-universe sequel to The Witness, this logo appears there as well. Story wise, OotSS is a "simulation chamber" people can get put in in order to learn how to understand the universe and gain an appreciation for how different simple fundamental rules of a universe, when combined, can produce unexpected but delightful results.This is a direct parallel to how The Witness was also a "simulation chamber" except it was more about discovering the truth of the world.Very weird premises for games, but it works as meta dev commentary on game design fundamentals so I kinda like it.
I don't get it
>>750319349Hint: everything you need to get that gemstone is right there in your screenshot.
>>750311324>solved 150 puzzles in 32 hours>solved last 90 puzzles in 4 hoursam I... evolving?
I still need to go back and complete this one at some point, guessing i have to move from rock to rock to move the goblins around but it sure is finicky
>>750320791Hint: The order of goblin killing is not that obvious.
>>750320824I figured, the caged goblin is a block lower so i'll need to drop another on him
>>750319349Can you push rocks? Fuck no. Who else can push rocks?
was this an intended solution? i feel like i overcomplicated this
hmmmm...
>>750321943press z? unless you dragged the last crystal manually, why would you do that
>>750322380>press z why would i play this with a kb&m
I have only one clouded area left on the map. Do I get there from below? There is nowhere I can fall down on it from.
>>750322493I tried this game with a controller and keyboard feels better.
>>750322543No.
>>750322515Never mind, I'm retarded.
This game is unbelievably good. How are the puzzles so satisfying? I've played lots of sokoban block pushers before. But this has easily been the most satisfying one so far for me.
>>750322991Just good puzzle design and polish. The artstyle, sounds and ost just make doing everything in the game comfyAlso it doesn't fall into the trap that other sokoban games fall into which is making a few easy puzzles and then they become very autistic very quickly. The game is long enough that it eases you into it
>>750322991Well, John did spend 10 years developing it. It better be good.
>>750322991it stopped being fun after the 1st world. too complex for the sake of complexity.
>>750323329filtered
>>750322991>How are the puzzles so satisfying?A decade of throwing away ideas that weren't fun.
>finish a tricky puzzle from a few days ago>it unlocks no new pathwaysI'm rapidly running out of puzzles to do, I am hard stuck on the OP's puzzle
>>750323861there are 6 gold rooms but you only need 4 to progress
>>750323861Just solve it.
The save file contains the names of puzzles.
Been curious about this game. I’m familiar with the witness and braid, but I haven’t played Jonathan’s games before. I liked animal well. Given this thread is positive on the game, safe recommendation to buy?
>>750326506it's nothing like animal well, I would recommend playing the witness instead, it's better and more accessible, and if you love it then come back to this one
>>750326602I should mention I played big walk and got tired of it by the end because the puzzles kept repeating themselves. Is the witness repetitive in the sense that once you’ve solved one puzzle you’ve essentially solved a large chunk of that kind?
>>750326506I don't know much about Animal Well, but I think its whole deal is that it's full of secrets. Order of the Sinking Star isn't like that, it's a very straight forward game. But there are large overworld puzzles.>>750327651Depends on what exactly you mean. All of the puzzles in The Witness are line puzzles, but with different mechanic being introduced and later combining. Order of the Sinking Star is the same, but with Sokoban, and it's a lot bigger. The Witness maybe hammers things in a bit too much at times, but OotSS keeps itself fresh.
>>750328487Nice. Would you say you enjoyed animal well, witness, or sinking star more?
>>750328606Anon,>I don't know much about Animal WellBut I'd say Order of the Sinking Star. 2 The Witness playthroughs took me just short of 50 hours. Meanwhile, I'm almost 90 hours into OotSS and I've only just reached the last area. Even if they were the same in puzzle quality, OotSS just has more content, so it's proportionally better.
This solution caught me by surprise.
>>750329567What's the logic?
>>750329643the beams double in strength when they cross
>>750329643The orange beams are called doubling beams.
>>7503296432^4=16
Guess I'd better shine a light for gemcuck so he can actually do something.
this sucks
>>750330512nvm its pretty cool actually
>>750330512Hey, I just got there.
>>750330682You're right, that was cool.
>>750330512the annoying thing about this one is the red herrings. They could have started the level with 4 mirror dudes instead of this fucked up 1 way duplicating logic, other levels already do it so it's not a sin in the way they design levels
Is this the intended solution? it feels kind of sketchy. actually there are a number of skipping stone levels that feel like this to me, where the timings are a little too tight and I think I've found an alternate solution that is kind of exploity
>>750333025I think so. And yeah, some of them have uncomfortably tight timings.
>>750333281the main thing that's throwing me off with that one is that one of the stones is a mirror reflecting one and I never use it in that way
>>750333376oh as soon as I said that I realized the intended solution. use the normal rocks to slide the mirror directly underneath the lillypad, then push the purple rock into the mirror and reflect it when it's 1 tile past the end point lilypad. this will cause it to slide towards the platform
*PLAP* *PLAP* *PLAP* *PLAP**PLAP* *PLAP* *PLAP* *PLAP* *PLAP* *PLAP* *PLAP* *PLAP*
is this the only one where they exit in their own areas? weird choice desu
>>750328839Nice, that’s helpful. In terms of overall enjoyment, which are you vibing with more? To me 20 hours vs 100 hours isnt a factor as much as enjoyment
>>750334492I like Order of the Sinking Star more because its audiologs are interesting in-universe stuff rather than just random philosophy like in The Witness.
Literally impossible.I've been stuck on this for fucking hours.Had three epiphanies and each of them lead nowhere.Destroying the crystal, bard crossing the gap, bard blocking the beamHardest puzzle by far out of 640 I've done (haven't skipped any).No hints please. Just wanted to vent.
>>750312006what are you talking about? That's the... why the fuck did you put that boulder there? thats heroes and artifacts anyway.
>>750335379I just want to vent about your resolution my man. What kind of potato are you rocking?
>>750333281>>750333025that's why they gave you ctrl+shift
>>750333523you think that's less tight timing than reflecting onto the slowly moving lillypad? You went from pretty comfortable timing to practically pixel perfect.
>>750335716Playing in glorious 540p on my Intel 620 because the game won't launch on Nvidia 940MX.
>>750335963yes it is in fact significantly easier, especially since you don't have to worry about initial rock timing like you do with the mirror of the character
>>750335617Because I thought I could get the boulder to wrap around like I did with gems in beamcasters 1 :^)Currently working on this one
the one greatest thing about this game is how there's no red herring at all, unlike in Void Stranger. every peculiar aspect of the map design is crucial.
>>750337139ennnhhhhhh, there are definitely some levels with red herrings, even if unintentional. also some are so under-constrained that it turns into a red herring. though in general yes, puzzles are usually "equations"
>>750336439right, forgot that that section is about teaching you how to use the "living" rocks with mirrors. >>750333025 is solvable with just dead rocks.
Looking for some OSS art reqs
>>750337139I am loving this game 30 hours in but I would actually prefer if there were more red herrings/unused objects to throw you off here and there. It becomes a little formulaic otherwise, i.e.>enter a level>see 3 objects>fixate on finding a way to use all of them instead of trying out other ideas because the object is here for a reason!!!meh
>>750337752You may not like it, but this is what peak game design looks like. Puzzles would feel much cheaper, or like "gotchas", if there were random distraction elements just to throw you off. The optimum is giving you a small set of tools, the purposes of which are difficult to figure out, but satisfying once you do.
these purple skipping stones are rather pleasing to look at
>>750337139the first 20 or so skipping stones levels gave me hard choice paralysis because you could push anything anywhere and then its just gone. had to completely rework how i thought about shit to get through it.
100% the game, still can't figure out how to get to the last area of the map. It it an easter egg or glitch? There's something there I saw it on the interactive map website
>>750337980I mean, that's where deduction skills come into playYou cancel out all those things that won't change anythingor that will soft lock an elementuntil it's a binary choice that you can test out pretty easily
>Pre-release threads had people complaining about this game having antisoul gas>Post-release - not a single mention
>>750337139void stranger is just a bad game
>>750338243Game is very pretty and sound design is just perfect
>>750337357Thief petting a dragon.
>>750338243Think later levels don't have it as much.
>>750338243the only place there's shitty fog effects are some of the pause screens
https://www.patreon.com/matthewmatosis/posts/initial-thoughts-173260270
>>750313964the story is trying to be the Braidy narrative mirroring mechanics, and the Witnessy philosophy vagueposting except instead about a worldview it's focused on hating on indie devs having fun and games as a engineering challenge of delivering value
>>750338020Which one?
>>750340058the one that only contains an empty void and a floating voice recorder
>>750337357This, but with the gem guy.
Good puzzle
>>750340687the cloning breaks so many puzzles and it's not even that hard to fix by just adding a fence instead of an open gap
>>750337357the queen, but she's gotten too fat to fit through a one square wide pathway
I'm getting filtered on the tutorial...
>>750341093there are a bunch of puzzles that are only solvable by mass duplication. that puzzle is solvable in about 15 seconds, the mass cloning solution is just brute forcing and takes so much longer its not funny.
>>750341693that's just the "the game wants me to go this way, but I can easily go that way" mindset.also they patched it to make it easier to get to that part, because people were upset that getting to that part initially required pushing a rock you didn't think you had any reason to push.
>>750341697>cloning solution is just brute forcing and takes so much longer its not funnybut it is funny, otherwise i wouldn't have bothered
>>750340687Nice, very nice. Now let's see it without cloning.
>tfw it's taken me 130 hours to reach endgame 2 and i'm still working on the descent metapuzzle
>>750342356not him but it was pretty easy, not sure why you'd waste time doing the cloning
>>750341693Skipping Stones was the first point at which I had to look up a solution, namely: the first puzzle which requires you to time a stone skip to change the course of a lilypad in motion already. I felt less bad when all the video comments were mentioning the exact same fucking thing.The game doesn't demonstrate that mechanic at any point prior. And to add salt to the wound, the subsequent puzzles also require timing but are also more straightforward in said timing element.
>>750337357thief stuck in wall thanks to green beam
>>750342852The first level of skipping stones is essentially an exact copy of the game it's based on, unlike every other area which has a new "introduction" level. I donNt know if that was because Blow wanted it like that or because the guy who made skipping stones is a dick.
>4chan thread>anons actually doing puzzlesSo it's not a women's game?Why did traditional media lie?
>>750343284Again I'm not referring to the very first stones level, just the first one which demands timing and midflight trajectory changes
>>750343285So fun spoiler. at the first end game it becomes extremely apparent that the game is a meta-game and the "higher beings" in the game know the lady you play as isn't actually in control because you're playing her, and literally say they don't care to talk to lesser creatures before addressing you personally as the actual player. The lady on the cover is a gnostic flesh puppet who thinks your thoughts are hers.
>>750337357thief dragging (you) by your ass
>>750343480Given women can't self insert, I'm not sure that makes it more or less a game for them.
>>750343650thief pulling bard by her knickers.
what the fuck
>>750344660kek that works with any crystal you just need something like a rock on top that she cant move
>>750344660aw yeah, I'm really feeling that deeper understanding of the universe
do we have like artbook type concept art for all of the characters?
>the dragon's groans of protest as he's being dragged aroundstop it boner
>>750322991its written in Jai code . Jai code self modifies the game to suit your needs and wants, no player plays the same game, because they are not the same player and its not the same game.
>>750345297not a disgusting vorefag or furry or whatever you are but I like the rubbery thud they make when they hit the floor after a fall, and then the leathery noise when they shake it off.
Need a hintSkipping stones puzzles seem to be my hard mode
>>750346371Clearly you need to reuse the stone to redirect the lilypad twice.
>>750346371
>>750346458¦ |Keep forgetting that's a thing
>>750346557huh the map is a tad more detailed than i'd have thought, just imagine what puzzles are hiding on that island
Did I scuff this already, or am I on the right track?
>>750346874Nope, you did fine. You'll note that you need the same configuration for the last part, but achieving it won't be quite by the same process.
>>750346874You can still do it.
Just descended. The post-endgame-2 overworld puzzle is insane.
>>750313964>The story, can someone explain what the story is even about?It's self referential. It's literally JBlow talking about how he spent 10 years merging game mechanics and also he believe in God.
I don't see how to even start this kek. gembro is so shit without an artifact
>>750349056You already failed.
>>750349190>mfwI thought this state was the start of the puzzle...
>>750349353He's right. Reset and pay attention to what happens right away.
>>750349353gotta be quick unc, its skipping stones you dont got time to wait around
Is this accessible? I assume it's the last HxB star, but I have no idea how to reach it.
>>750349589it is
>>750349589Yes, you have everything you need already
>>750349692>>750349709Got it, thanks. Kinda wild how just knowing it's solvable suddenly makes it trivial.
The more I play this game the less I like itLoved it before the merges, growing real fucking tired of it now and it feels like a chore, the puzzles feel like filler
>>750333025the game would be better off without the skipping stones and timing-based puzzles
>>750350373skipping stones are based
>>750350373I keep flip flopping on if I agree with this or not. I think skipping stones offer some cool puzzle ideas which makes them worth having, but the timing jank and general brute forcey nature of many of the puzzles doesn't feel great
>throwing the clanker into the sea so it can fuck off and I can focus without the constant sound
Finally beat the game lads. Took me 80hrs and some of the most satisfying hours of my life. I only had to look up the solution to one puzzle very early one, and there were a handful where I asked anons for helpful hints. The sense of accomplishment of this game is like nothing other.I can't believe anons here are posting their 30h clears. Are you all super-geniuses or what? Or maybe I'm just retardedI know there's a whole postgame but I might call it quits here. I've never been one for puzzles games and this one already scrambled my brain
>>750354168>Are you all super-geniuses or what?To some extent.You're still missing over half the game, but of course if you think you're done you are free to stop there.
>>750353113>gashunk>gashunk>gashunk>gashunk>gashunk>click>gashunk>gashunk>gashunk>gashunk>gashunk
>>750344660I don't even think that's the way I used to solve the level
>>750354705It's not, this is a super janky alternate solution. Getting the mariner on the right platform requires some really tight timing.
>>750354373man I was a gifted kid in school and I've had a successful career so I consider myself pretty smart, and here's anon with double my puzzles solved in the same amount of time
>>750353113if you don't move for a period of time all sounds fade out to almost nothing so you can think
Odor of the Stinking Saar
>>750352307It needs the same level of progression and mechanic introduction as the other areas. 90% of the issues with skipping stones is that it just throws scenarios at you where you need to experiment to find emergent interactions with very little guidance. The heroes section is much better at setting up small puzzles to let you find the mechanic than large puzzles to explore its implications.
Yeah, this definitely isn't intended
are you supposed to be able to acquire all 6 of the artifacts on a single run of the skipping stones intro or do you need multiple? Assuming of course that it doesn't reset to whatever you collected on your last run
>>750357191in a single run
getting closer...
>>750311324Niche interactions between obscure mechanics is the worst puzzle philosophy
On the fence on buying this game. Shill me bros
>>750357609agreed
>>750357741If you somewhat enjoy this particular style of puzzles, it's an amazing game. Surprising amount of different mechanics that work very well together and the difficulty of the puzzles is just right imo. 2nd best game of the year for me but it tickles my 'tism.If you don't find sokoban puzzles appealing, it's going to be a waste of money and time.
Playable tetratetrad with 10000 puzzles and 120 combination zones when?
>>750358142What if this is my first sokoban game besides some that might appear in Zelda
>>750358453this was my first sokoban game and I love it, though I am a 1000+ sudoku book person
>>750358453this is my first sokoban game too and I bought it after pirating the first 70 puzzles or so which took me around 5 hours. honestly you can either pirate or buy on steam and refund if you aren't hooked in the first couple of hours, then it's not for you
>>750358558>>750358741What makes this one better than the others to you?
>>750339403>15% of the way in>"Ok I'm go spoil all the way to true-true-true ending btw now"
do I have enough stones to get here or did I not optimize some previous segment enough to extract an extra stone? I feel like I'm 1 short
>>750358887You are asking two people who have shared that this is their first sokoban game what makes it better to them than other sokoban games.
>>750360039Yeah, you're good.
>>750360039You can get 2 over there.
>>750360165>>750360269sorry yeah, I can get over there fine, but I can't work out how to get back having only 4 stones here at the start. I feel like i need 1 more to redirect the water from this side first
>>750358453I've never played a sokoban game and I'm not a puzzle player at all, and I loved this game. You have to have at least 130 IQ though
>wonder around crossroads after ending 1>bang my head on the wall trying to reach some unfinished areas>it's impossible>get to the sky world>there's no way they'll make an underground world too>mfwi guess it makes sense when base world has like 300 puzzles and the whole game has over 900
>>750360336Show the treasure screen? These are usually designed to refund you whatever you spent to reach them.
>>750360712the problem is that usually you spend 2 of these stones redirecting the stream by pushing them across to that sticking out bit that you disembark on. when going to the treasure area I need 2 accessible rocks to cross the gap which means 1 of the rocks cannot be used to block the stream and I can't progress
>>750360926I think you just do pic related to continue?
>>750360926nvm I just solved it
the solution this feels straight up illegal, what the fuck jon
>>750361263yeah figured it out as soon as i posted despite staring at it for 2 hours...
>>750361576I remember doing this last night. I found a move that works and then just kept doing it until I finished the level, but I can't even begin to describe what actually happened.
>>750361751I discovered the mechanic by total accident too when i noticed i had left the monster behind and started rewinding to see how i even did that
>>750361576i really hated "real time" mechanicsthere's a level that i hated the most, even with slowmo it required multiple tries on a super tight windowthis is not sokoban
Reached the 2nd credits at 654 solved, 83 hours. What was the point of that goblin up top?
huh
>>750362529oh nvm i'm just being retarded again
>>750339403Wanna listen to this, but I still have a ways to go in the game. Oh well.
holy fuck this game is ugly
>>750362785there are very few levels like this
I forgot all the demo audiologs that I listened to when I played the demo. Do I need to go back to listen to those to understand what is happening later in the game? All I got so far from it is that some guy is stuck in this world like our character, has given up on his prior life, and feels like he is in dialogue/communion with this world in some cosmic way. Should I go back and listen to them all? Or just go forward? People are talking about it being about his other games, the development of this game, and about God, but I haven't sense that aspect of it yet besides the idea of there being some vague creator to this world.
>>750363029go forward, it becomes very obvious
>>750363029this game has a story like a porno has a story, just ignore it
how the hell do i get this last gem or did i fuck up somehow?
>>750363364you need a rock
This one took me longer than it should have, but overall I would say on layer 2 the stones area is relatively easy/short.
I cleared this endgame level and it's not looking super cleared. Am I just imagining things?
>>750365070Is it blinking in the map view?
>>750365531Good call. Doesn't seem to be
Just got to Crossroads Low. What am I in for bros
> Bard on top of 4 stones on waterThe solution to these ones is complete bullshit
every fucking level
>>750366618I also just got there and am stuck on the first level.
>>750368738I wonder how the original creator of Promesst feels about this.
>>750369448The last drop is tough. Let me know if you want a hint.
>>750369640Got it, just needed to map out all possible options.
>>750369857Same, I don't think I could help but brute force it, with narrowing.I won't spoil any upcoming levels in detail, but there are some with wrapping behavior. Very interesting set.
GEMKEK GEMKEK CANT YOU SEE
i've cleared like 3 rooms and i dont think the game is for me
the game is so goddamn annoying and I don't understand how so many anons just breezed through it all so quickly when I keep getting stuck on random shit all the time it's so consistently unintuitive and or cumbersome
>>750370058I'm looking at the bard one and almost want to cry.
>>750370145It's actually a very relaxing level once you realize the trick. They all are, I think.
>>750370139I don't like the ending to this puzzle, I don't feel like it really adds anything. It's mostly just quizzing you on whether you remember some basic shit that's unrelated to everything else you've been doing in this area.
>>750362514It's to stop you from just holding S.
>>750370628i have no idea give me a clue
i am getting fucking FILTERED
>>750371034I solved this puzzle. But if I went back and tried to do it again, I'd probably get stuck for a while, trying to remember how it worked.Keep trying. You'll get it.
>>750371034
>>750371034>>750371115Oh, I remember now. The priestess's holy power activates when she is adjacent to an ally who is under attack. She, herself, does not necessarily need to be under attack. Have the warrior push her onto the middle diagonal and have the thief pull her from it.
>>750371034one of my favorites desu
Do you guys think Jo Blow is satisfied with the amount of sales? 8k peak isn't bad for a puzzle game but Blow spent a lot of money on this game and making a new coding language for it
>>750371012The bard can move sunken things.
>>750371339He indicated that according to the publisher it's outperforming expectations. It's ahead of pace of where The Witness was in its release year, and seems to be popular in China.
>>750371418That's good to hear
>>750370683>>750361873>>750361751 here, looks like I still have the steam recording for my solve.
>>750371034>>750371115All I remember about it was figuring out one thing, then spending an hour trying to figure out the next thing, only to come to the realization I had to do the first thing again.
>>750317904I figured Jon for a Stephen Wolfram fanboyThis explanation makes the most sense out of any that I have heard.The underlying rules of a universe can combine to form the universe itself.
>>750371726>The underlying rules of a universe can combine to form the universe itself.There's an audiolog about universes emerging to explore their own rules, or something to this effect. I prefer to think of this as akin to axiomatic universes, rather than commentary on the metaphysics of our own, but it's tempting to go in the latter direction.
>>750371726>>750371940i wish i knew what any of this meant... :(
WIPDrawfag here, where do i find Concept art or in game models for this game?It's a paint in the ass trying understand specific character details
>>750371940I agree with you there. It is interesting to think about it purely in the macro sense where the rules we can see and understand are a ridiculous number of layers away from the rules that make the rules that make the rules etc. so in this commentary and at this scale he is correct, and the universes that emerge to explore their own rules isn't any less valid than some real universe. If that is how things worked.>>750371998It is just me guessing based on what the anon said, that Jon read about hypergraphs 10 years ago.
>spend a long time on a puzzle with a delicate order of operations>keep getting stuck at specific points, trying to reason about my mistakes, experimenting with different approaches>suddenly think of something else...that doesn't work either>back to the drawing board for a while>wondering about how to make the fullest use of all options here>suddenly realize where I went wrong>solve the puzzle in a minute>no longer in that beautiful, platonic zen state mindspace where i'm just trapped in puzzle purgatory>get a little sadAn abstract kind of feel if there ever was one
>>750372161I haven't seen anyone rip models yet, they are pretty low fidelity though so not sure you'll get much from them. blow tends to keep things pretty close to the chest so unless he releases an artbook or there is concept art in the credits like the witness I think it's unlikely you'll find anything. Could email him if they had any character portrait art to share but I doubt he will respond
Where the fuck do I even start with this one?
>>750372936You think.
>>750372962I mean, of course I got it immediately after posting but this felt pretty sketchy and took several tries to get right.
>>750373165That is indeed the solution. I'll confess that some of these skipping mirrors levels struck me as a bit tweaky, but they contain ideas interesting enough to be worth showing.
>>750372708He'll probably respond if i said he's wrong about ai and enginesbut probably wont share any artwork
>>750372936Mirrors teleport things.Stones can push lilypads by going past them or hitting them. A lilypad is considered a separate thing from whatever is on it.
I'm at 669 solved and only have 2 levels available to me as I work out the second red meta puzzle. I have yet to play the alter beam levels, been trying to figure out how to get to them for a week now, I have to be missing something obvious, how tf do I get in there, please a hint
>>750374369You'll have to be more specific since you just walk into it
>>750374369Like the other guy said, just walk into it.
>>750374416I fell in from the right of them, adjusted the blue beam and pushed the rock as necessary, walked into the main room with the title card collectible and fast travel warp, but all the levels are in the main part of the room that I can't access
>>750374535Ah, you can access them, but you'll have to work for it.
>>750374535So you crossed the initial gate with the blue beam? You should have a green beam and two blue ones to fiddle around next to the fast travel thing that should let you access the levels once you figure out the thing.
>>750374601I have no green beam there. Is my game bugged out
>>750374720Zoom out a bit, the beam is coming from the right (I think it's on the first beamcasters screen).
>>750374720It comes from the far right, didn't even know you could get there without having it in the right position. Maybe you left some crap blocking it
>>750374769>>750374774You know I investigated that green beam earlier today, and it was stuck in a corner and I didn't see any reset buttons in the area, but I'll look again next time I launch. I've been scouring the high overworld and overworld like crazy trying to get in. I even skipped the optional puzzle in the finale where you choose what beams to use because I could tell the blue beam would be necessary but I hadn't played these ones yet
>>750311324>order of the stinking starhave you tried ripping a fat wet one?
>>750369509all the creators of the original games disowned him for being a Trump supporter
This one? Is this where it's located on the map for you?
>>750375047Sorry, replying to >>750374849Also, make sure any obstructions are out of its way. I suppose it's possible you didn't clear part of the path to allow the green beam through, and dropped into the altar beam area from postgame regardless.
there's definitely some interesting leftovers in the game files
>>750374949I remember checking out one of the original games, and there was a message like, "this game is featured in the upcoming release, Order of the Sinking Star! Click this link for more info!" I clicked it, thinking it would be something cool, and it was a Bluesky thread complaining about Donald Trump. lmao
>>750375109Where the fuck did you find this? I've only seen this version of the overworld on dev streams from years ago.
I like how the architecture of the building is only featured in its reflection, that's both technically impressive and a cool scene composition.
>>750375220Unfortunately, the symmetry makes this level piss-easy so I guess it's mostly just here to look cool.
>>750375092Yeah, and it's in that position so it must be blocked somewhere,. I didn't think it was because I was able to get to the res room and everything
>>750375176>Where the fuck did you find this?from the data-pc folder
>>750375454Just follow it to the left and push anything out of its way which blocks it from entering the Alter* Beam area.
>>750372161>Drawfag herecomputer, replace drawfag
>>750375473Did you vibe code a decoder or is there a standard image editing program which can view these?
>>750375546>Did you vibe code a decoderyes
I feel like I learned the wrong lesson from the previous levels. It seemed like the message on those two was that moving something between a set of mirrors always brings it closer to the mirrors, but here I need to get it back in the same line it started at but delayed. What am I missing? There doesn't seem to be an arangement of mirrors that does anything but send the rock flying off the wrong way or beach it on the starting island.
>>750375749I was able to feed some relevant details into ChatGPT myself and get it to recover images. What file(s) were these?
>>750375882forgot pic
Here's a conversion/dump of the game's characters in .gltf format, including animations/rigs, courtesy of my good buddy Claude. It took some time for it to crack the shader pipeline to get them looking how they do in-game.https://files.catbox.moe/mtz6d4.7zSome notes:>Gemcuck is called "moonman" internally and has a goatee and moustache. I interpreted him looking like a white haired Leon Kennedy>You can toggle the Beamcasters accessories/Queen's outfits on/off>A lot of characters' under sides are without geometry; probably because you would never see them in game.>Bard has huge boobs>Queen has a huge ass>Tif is cute
>>750375882Are you thinking you need to do it in a single reflection? You have 4 mirrors bro
>>750375886>What file(s) were these?
>>750376004classic, thank you
>>750375916>https://files.catbox.moe/mtz6d4.7zwhat the fuck, i didn't know dolphins could do that
>>750375916Can you check if goblins have penises?
>>750375916Just to show Queen. Ridiculous.>>750376141No dicks.
>>750375882I've seen multiple solutions for this level. Hint: the stone doesn't have to exit at the bottom and reenter up top. It can be the reverse.
>>750375109Those aren't leftovers.After the final ending of the game you get a "the making of" dev area that shows them all off.
>>750311324>do beamcaster>have fun finish all the puzzles>do heroes>have fun finish all the puzzles>do beamcaster x heroes>have tons of fun finish all the puzzles>try stones>eat shit>try water>eat shitAm I just to retarded for this game?
>>750376457ohhh, maybe i should actually play the damn game then
>>750376316bit of a dump truck on this one
>>750345332Yup. Jai is almost as good as Cosmos code.
>>750376510Beginning of stones is a big difficulty spike
>Yellow 2 space beam warp swapI don't like this at all
>>750377108Show me>>750374949>>750375114>blow: "I want to focus on making a good game, because it's what people want. People don't want devs to engage in politics">other devs: "NOOOOO THIS ISNT RIGHT YOU HAVE TO SAY ORANGE MAN BAD"
>>750377325The Heroes and Light advanced section with the teleporting guy. Took me ages to figure out how it works on the orangey yellow beams. I got it in the end though.
>>750376510I got to the first ending and still have a bunch of skipping stones to do. Mirrors at least you can trial and error but stones are almost all timing based and multi-step and it's a huge pain in the ass to run through ideas seeing if you can be fast enough. I'm also just shit at visualizing multiple steps in advance, at least most other puzzles you can plan it out then reevaluate at each step to see how it's going compared to the plan.
I was stuck here for a while and took a break. I came back and solved it instantly. Works every time.
Why does it feel like there are as many Skipping Stones puzzles as there are of all of the other puzzles put together?
>>750379235I see you have not reached the bard segment of the map.
What's the trick with this one?
>>750375520>not gemcuck oof
>>750379757all the space on the map is intentional, use it
