https://archive.is/wLev9>AI advancements spearheaded by Claude Opus 5.5 have turned the world of coding on its axis. Decompilations that used to take months, or even years, are now being pumped out on a daily basis, and publishers can’t keep up with the deluge of vibe-coded browser ports and “native” PC recompilations.>However, there’s a less ambiguous side to this discussion that I’m far more interested in tackling: hypocrisy. Many publishers are gleefully and very publicly advertising their use of AI to develop games, yet two specific publishers are attempting to have their cake and eat it too in this respect: Microsoft and Epic Games.>Epic Games issued a DMCA notice against a vibe-coded browser port of Fortnite on October 10, and Microsoft has issued multiple DMCA notices for Minecraft, Call of Duty, and Halo-related web browser ports over the past month. I could fill this article with dozens of examples of Microsoft’s and Epic Games’ love of AI, but here are two off the dome: Epic Games’ vibe-coded shitshow of a launcher that launched on October 14, and the mere existence of Microsoft’s Copilot.>Meanwhile, Epic Games’ Terms of Service specifically states that you “may not[…]use code or content extracted from the Licensed Products as training input for any Generative AI Program or as prompt-based input where the Generative AI Program trains on input data.” It seems Epic Games is happy to use AI models trained on stolen data, but it’s not happy for anyone else to train AI models on their stuff.Remember kids, it's only ok when billion dollar megacorps steal from you and not when you steal from them.
>>750469827Sweeney is especially funny because he's been going %200 on shilling AI and saying that Steam is bad for forcing AI labels. I don't think theres ever been a moment where Sweeney isn't acting like a total fucking ass and a retard
>>750469827Well there you go, AI is over.
I want copyright to die.
The corporations just assumed the AI companies and governments would magically solve things for them, but currently AI has to make do with being massively in debt and there are Midterms happening right now so there's nobody listening to them.When things settle down they'll start going hard on the social credit score and demanding ID for access to AI, but for now there's no controls - that's funny in itself because by the time the jaws snap shut it might already be too late for the vast majority of every company's entire backlog and their current hardware.
>>750470917>wanting to kill ownershipReddit is that way, nigger.
>>750470968>but for now there's no controlsNever will be lol. it's too late.the models are on the internet already.
>>750469827They didn't like that people were using reverse engineering to steal games Huh?
>>750471005/v/ is and has always been a pirate board faggot
>>750471005Digital ownership has always been a fucking superstition and we are rapidly approaching an era where it's impossible to pretend otherwise.
AI literally stole everything and are trying to use the Government to seal themselves as the permanent owners of it using the AI fearmongering campaign about how it's going to kill us the human race in approximately 2 more weeks.
>>750469827Oh, the AIrony.
>>750471276>I support piracy>ok give me your social security number >NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT !!!
>>750471005Copyright Laws was created to make people couldn't copy your shit and claim it was theirs to sell. It was never intended to be used to tell people that they don't own the copies they bought from the original creator.
>>750471715CATLOS
>>750469827BAHAHAHA, there isnt a company i want AI to fuck more than epic.
>I support piracy>Ok scallywag, hand over ye dabloons>NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!!
>>750471930>Copyright Laws was createdcopyright has a long history of shifting reasons for its existenceoriginally it was to exert control over what ideas people were exposed to after the invention of the printing press
raiding the internet for the works of people to use as ai training data is the largest theft of labor in history
>>750471715Shut the fuck up you corny unfunny anime faggot, please hurry and die
>>750471715*snort*
>>750471005muy bien, señor judio
>>750472140If I knew that any of my works or posts were used to train a super intelligence that we're using to crush China economically id thank them. It's not theft to be a teacher.
>>750469827it's funny how transsexual leftists will support corpo only to own teh AIjeets.It's just as sad and funny like ponyfags joiniing forces with /pol/.
This board desperately needs to range ban the third worldWhy is a nigger in india allowed to discuss videogames he can't afford? What opinions could he possibly offer other than PIRACY IS GOOD SAAR, ALL GAMES ON PC AND MOBILE SAAR, WEST IS DEGENERATE I HOPE YOU ARE FIRED BASTERDS
>>750472415>transsexual leftistswhy miggers can't stop thinking about trannies
>>750471715Hah
>>750471005Post nose
It’s totally okay to steal artists pictures and writers’ books to feed the model for free, but as soon as they, the big corporations get screwed over by the same shit, it’s suddenly a problem. Really fucking surprising.
>>750472515Which is funny because the biggest enemies of property rights are communists who are all jews.
>>750472727I bet if they started training AI to take of CEO and middle manager jobs they would also throw a big shit fest all of sudden.
>>750470669Everyone is acting like an ass because nobody has time to think anymore. ONWARD!
>>750469827the capitalists will sell us the rope which we will hang them with!
who defines what theft is? can't I just say that taxes are theft? I'll just stop paying my taxes because I'm being stolen from.the government defines theft. how? through courts. courts have ruled that training is fair use. end of discussion. anything else is just leftists redefining the word.btw if you respond to my post you are performing theft on me, by stealing my time.
>>750471930Copyright was created to encourage creation. 14 years, and an optional 14 year extension. Only because of (((Disney))) did it get to the clown world levels it is today.The US should just nuke the Berne Convention and start enforcing things the right way but Trump's too pussy
>>750473127Bold of you to think Trump isn’t on the side with the most money.
>>750469827AI should be used for coding games only, and with oversight so it doesn't shit itself. AI can code hundreds of pages within minutes, but cannot tell you if the program has bugs, is optimized, or shits itself.
>>750473127America doesn't follow the Berne Convention.
>>750473127>Copyright was created to encourage creationquite the opposite, actually. that justification was given later.
>>750472781>>750472962Communism and corporativism are both cancer Mr Yid
>>750471715
>>750469827Scraping the internet to train AI models isn't really the same as using AI to decompile and disseminate protected IPs. Do you have a registered trademark on your Internet comments?
>>750470669>Sweeney is especially funny because he's been going (...)he'll say anythign as long as it shows competition/enemies in a bad light, and himself in a good light. yes, even if it's directly contradictory, he doesn't care.every bilionare/corpo ceo/politician does that
>>750471930Copyright was created to offer a legal framework for buying and selling inventions, thereby facilitating the transmission of information. Without copyright you have to rely on trade secrets (which stifles the spread of information) and it's harder to negotiate the sale of a new technology because you can't actually provide the proof of what it is and how it works without exposing yourself to the other guy just taking your shit. With copyright you can show all the details and if the other guy doesn't want to pay you, he can't use it, so you aren't taking a risk by giving a good detailed explanation of your new technology.Additionally stuff like patents means that people can see how you did X, thereby understanding the thing better, and come up with their own legally distinct way of doing X, rather than trade secrets where it stays a mystery and they have to do it from scratch.Whether it makes sense for art is more questionable.
>>750473724the legal argument that wholesale scraping the internet for training data is that things generated with the ai is a transformative act, and therefore protected by fair use.arguably, porting software to target entirely different systems is a non-trivial and transformative act in accord with fair use per the same argument.>>750473798your conflating copyright and patents. i have been guilty of the same.
>>750469827Oh are we hitting the "find out" part of AI?
AI was only supposed to benefit the wealthy and powerful. The plebians using it to fuck with the systems we use to fuck you in the ass goes against its purpose. Therefore we must limit access to AI so the new permanent underclass cannot use it.
>>750473798>Copyright was created to offer a legal framework for buying and selling inventions, thereby facilitating the transmission of information. Without copyright you have to rely on trade secrets (which stifles the spread of information) and it's harder to negotiate the sale of a new technology because you can't actually provide the proof of what it is and how it works without exposing yourself to the other guy just taking your shit. With copyright you can show all the details and if the other guy doesn't want to pay you, he can't use it, so you aren't taking a risk by giving a good detailed explanation of your new technology.You're describing patents, copyright doesn't apply to "inventions" but creative works.
>>750473940Just wait two more weeks until the grifters start shilling for regulations now.
>>750473724I'm decompiling your stuff just to train my model, bro. Nothing wrong about that :)
>>750474002AI companies are begging for regulation for whatever reason.
>AI regulations? why?so the jews can hog all the AI?
>>750469827turns out Tim is selfish AND stupid.He didn't anticipate that if AI can steal from others, it can steal from him, too.
>>750474242i-It wasn't supposed to be like that!
>>750471150I think its likely more for those two that they see the games being decompiled and whispers on the horizon that photoshop and other creative apps will be ripped out of the subscription model, it's only a short cry from there to fully offline EGS or windows 11 rips.
I hope you vibe ported that favorite game of yours while you could
>>750474414>we need to move to cloud services for your own good, goyRemember, you will own nothing.
>>750472962>Claude comes from a massive tech company and requires data center>Local models require cards made by one of the biggest companies in the worldIf you reds ever really toppled these guys the AIs would become useless pretty fast
>>7504741161. They are desperate to be seen as legit and having regulations gives credit to that.2. They know they can't deliver what they promise, so they need the government to put brakes on them so they can say the regulations are the reason why they are not meeting expectations. 3. It kills small startups since they can't comply with any kind of regulations.
>>750473456No, that was the point. Why would you try to create anything of value if someone could just steal it? So we gave out a limited time monopoly that was enough to significantly profit from it, while also lighting a fire under your ass to make something new in a reasonable amount of time rather than sit on it.
>>750474414I really want an opensource version of Windows 7 over Windows 11.
>>750473507And what exactly is your point my horseshoe-theory-proving friend?
>>750469827Lmao I told you faggotsThat's what go go go meantDownload every last recomp because your free ride isn't forever
Why is Sweeney railing against AI when he tried to host an AI-development fest?
>>750469827Fuck you.If we can't use it, okay -but then you can't use it, either.
>>750474116>AI companies are begging for regulation for whatever reason.It's to kill entrepreneurial competition. Regulations create monopolies. That's why big corpos and wealthy people are always pushing for more of them.
>>750471005>make a copy of something you have>that means you no longer own it
>>750474802Local models can do it fine.
>>750474734learn some history instead of just assuming what happened
>>750474860>pushing for harsh regulations after you're set upWhat a new and refreshing trick! The goyim will gobble it anyways.
>>750474802I just use local Chinese models, get fucked zoggies.
>>750474986Ok, what books do you recommend about this subject?
>>750475021Yeah it's actually impressive how they've managed to psyop leftists into thinking that regulations are the solution to their monopolies and that the wealthy want deregulation. As though if the wealthy actually wanted deregulation they wouldn't just tell their politicians to deregulate.
>>750475053Gemini gave me these recs.Nimmer on Copyright by Melville B. Nimmer and David NimmerCopyright Law in a Nutshell by Mary LaFranceExamples & Explanations: Copyright by Stephen M. McJohnPatent, Copyright & Trademark: An Intellectual Property Desk Reference by Richard StimReclaiming Fair Use: How to Put Balance Back in Copyright by Patricia Aufderheide and Peter Jaszi
>>750475204>read a book>what book should I read>here's an ai generated listLolLmao even
>>750475204>learn some history>no i didnt read any of these bookswait so then where did you learn this history from?
>>750474986the history doesn't matter, the point is sound. You got a time limited monopoly and not the 95 year retardation that currently exists. This protected your work on the IP while not screwing over the general public and public domain and forced people to keep creating
>>750469827Why are corporations such faggots?
>>750475204>just ask the AI broSmartest zoomshit.
>>750474080This. I also told Claude to generate a game with guns and driving cars, and oh wow look at that, the game looks just like GTA what a coincidence.
>>750469827You are now aware that the definition of a law changes based on whether it helps the rich or not
>>750474927Copyright laws will get rewritten to prohibit stuff like this from ever seeing the web. Obviously local models are exempt but are you going to prompt a better recomp then a couple dozen autists?
>>750475306>wait so then where did you learn this history fromai fag wasn't me, i learned this from european history in high school, so don't have a good reference off the top of my headcopyright was conceived in england so that parliment and the crown could control what information was being distributed by printing press, not to protect authors in any way
>>750475625>local modelsThis will be the final push to move everything to cloud services. They goyim shouldn't own real hardware.
>>750475625>are you going to prompt a better recomp then a couple dozen autists?I would say the problem is more too many casuals are getting in on it and the people with an eye for detail and meticulous interest in creating the perfect port are getting squeezed out because they're not fast enough.
Humans are Forerunners.
>>750469827>browser portsSo they included the game files?That's just piracy.
>>750475809We still have another two or three years in that time every worthwhile game should have a recomp done if it doesn't have a PC release already starting from the NES through ps5/switch 2. Let the industry die
>>750472503post hand, sister.
Whern the fuck is fable 5.5 coming outI ran out of fable 5.1 and opus 5.5 isn't smart enough to implement my gigantic brained ideas.
>>750471715Kansai sexo
>>750469827I think anybody who was paying attention knew that LLMs were going to go the path of regulatory capture. All the people bitching about it using people's IP without license (and in fact engaging in mass piracy) are just bolstering the corpo case to shut down anybody else using their data.
>>750471005Riled up all the zoomers there didn't you.
>>750469827>People have discovered the beauty of decompiling old games through AI>Now it's suddenly illegal
>/v/niggers really thought after these soulless companies stole the sum of human knowledge and passed the check to everyone else they would get a slice of the pieyou fucking retards kek, youve been supporting your future enslavement the whole time btw
>>750477786>make the stealing machine>people use it to steal from youWTF that should be illegal! Regulations, help!
>>750471005>> copyright is ownershipWe dont like jews here, go awayCopyright is a fiction created for the sole purpose of selling something that has unlimited supply. Its the greatest of Jewish ploys and the rape of free market capitalism.
>>750471005Copyright for the past century and a half has been about protecting the rights of megacorporations to steal the work of actual artists.
>>750469827reminder this is all a ploy to just remove your ownership of things and also to ban local model ai so only they get to control the ais
>>750477931I'm sure you never pirated in your life.
>>750469827>Suddenly
>>750478121I'm not sure how you got that from my post.
>>750469827Why they pretending these are seperate entities?
>>750478032The past decade has been about blocking them from marketing
>>750475625Anything non local is a scam setting you up for a rug pull
>>750478385They're two different juridical persons, duh.
>>750475485California looks like gta. You would have to add to you prompt dont look like california
>>750478646Both are your employers
>>750478726But I work for Vangiparappuvenkatsailaxman Inc, saar.
>make a game with ai which will steal from a million different sourcesYes. I am fine with this>make ai port an existing game to a browser and make it freeWTF no!!! I am somehow a hypocrite for not wanting this.
>>750469827The best part of this is that they cant regulate IA without crashing the whole economy. Its kinda nice to see those fuckers go down with the rest of us.
>>750469827Why has denuvo not been removed from all games yet? Decomp my ass.
>>750478594DeepSeek has an 80% profit margin on their tokens, they won't be rug pulling any time soon.
>>750473724You own the copyright.
>>750469827I thought they said one couldn´t own software.
>>750469827it was okay if only they could use it..
>>750470917Honestly the original 14 year term for copyright was fine, but this near perpetual copyright is total horseshit and copyright deserves to be completely ignored because of it.
>>750481289>but this near perpetual copyright is total horseshitIt was designed to last for the length of the creators lifetime, then after his death is public domain. You can thank Disney lawyers for the Copyright time extension because they really wanted to keep Mickey Mouse for themselves forever.
>>750478032That's not how copyright works. You can't steal the work of artists unless they hand it over in some way.
>>750469827>it's only ok when billion dollar megacorps steal from you and not when you steal from themThis is correct. I'm glad we've reached an understanding, serf.
>>750481289The 14 year length only promoted theft of ideas that's why when you go back things get less and less creative.
Warned you gay retards that copyright was going to gut AI slop. You really though you were going to have infinite access to assets you don't own?
I tole you fags so yesterday.Your next console will be a zero client and all the gaming will be in the cloud, it will be streamed to a dumb client. Shills will crow about how much cheaper it is than something with a GPU and RAM.But before that all your AI game cloning tools will go away. Nobody uses the Chinese AI to do it, or self hosting. Performance is way too low, it'd take years to do what people do in days or weeks on the real big boy AI systems. Which won't be in use for cloning software for very much longer.You have weeks before the AI decompile flood is reduced to the barest of trickles. I tole you so. This is JUST the start of the crackdown. LEARN TO CODE lel.
>>750480849Thats before the governments and licensing deals step in
>>750482565And you were told yesterday that AI already cannibalizes cloud gaming servers, theres not enough data centers for both of them.
>>750482998Chinese government only cares about cybersecurity.
>>750483235Try to clone their gay monke game and see if they let you get away with it.
They will own nothing and we'll be happy.
>>750470917Copying rights are an inherent god given thing. You want the laws which are unconstitutional inhibiting your rights to die. They aren't going to last very long after the imminent rent seeker and usurer purge.
>>750483235What happened to the dancing cat one then? Disney did a thing thing they got censored so hard they couldnt even do women
>>750469827This was inevitable. Corporations were letting you monkeys do whatever with AI cause they are unimaginative as fuck themselves. Now that it's becoming clearer how to monetize AI usage they're getting ready to pull the rug and close the door behind themselves so the peons can't use it.
>>750480849>>750483235All the chink AI and robotics stocks crashed 40% couple of days ago.
>AI is le theft>my Stardew clone with extra brown people isn't though
>>750484859Ai users don’t have a creative vision.
>>750482565>Your next console will be a zero client and all the gaming will be in the cloud, it will be streamed to a dumb client.Anon, no one is going to buy that.That'll just kill off consoles.
>>750484998Technically you need basic writing skills to properly prompt.
>>750485279No you dont
>>750473116Taxes are theft but to have standing to sue you first have to not willingly hand over the taxes which will have you arrested.
>>750469827>Remember kids, it's only ok when billion dollar megacorps steal from you and not when you steal from them.This is the real problem with AI. Not art but that corporations will fuck you for the same thing that they get a slap on the wrist over occasionally and will keep doing ad infinitum. It will eventually also mostly be used as a tool to control the population and funnel ever more money to the rich but no one wants to talk about that yet.
>>750485417You might need to learn the basics yourself if pressing the period key is too much for you.
>>750471820kek
>>750485279Having basic writing skills isn't the same as having a creative vision.
>>750485551The prompt doesnt care about a period. The faggy artist does. Thats why people choose the ai
>Me when the courts aren't going to fuck around and I will probably get in a LOT of trouble for having copyright protected codebases in my dataset
>>750485673I guess books aren't considered a creative media.
>>750473748Most aren't in the position that Timmy is - a man running a game storefront, who openly stated at the beginning that he didn't give a shit about customers, and his store was intended to benefit big game publishers.Everything he's said and done since flows downhill from that mindset.
>>750485807Its called money laundering
>>750470669His head got massive after he took Apple to court, the dude really thought he could beat Roblox at their own game by turning Fortnite into a custom games platform. Spoiler alert, Roblox has a robust monopoly because it can run on any device. Meanwhile mobile Fortnite used to literally melt high end smartphones because it ran on Unreal Engine
>>750473724>t. Tim Shilley
They're only mad because they didn't do it first to make a quick buck. If these companies came up with selling broken ports for over 100s they would
I am witnessing the Fermi paradox come into realization in real time and it is really fucking funny
>>750469827>it took the cattle nearly 100 years to realize how corpojews operateI'm all in on AI causing a massive industry crash out as long as it makes normies realize the corpo hipocrysy and how they were getting fucked over by the devs for decades
>>750469827Didn't the Epic games guy just a week ago was gloating about AI!?
>>750471715lmao
>people who will never create anything whining that copyright shouldn't existpottery
>>750486267>fuck artists and anyone with actual talent!-(you) two days ago
>>750469827>But they weren't supposed to steal MY stuffMan, corporations have no idea the monster they've created by putting all their chips into AI huh?
>>750472781>communists are all jewsthought terminating conspiracy shit instantly debunked by basic questions like what is the basis of communism, and what economic system does Israel use
>>750486547What do you even call a political system where your country's entire existance depends on siphoning other countries resources?
>It seems Epic Games is happy to use AI models trained on stolen dataNotice that the whiny blogpost did not attempt to provide any evidence for this.>but all AI is--No, that's just an artfag talking point that they're trying to force, and blogposts like this are written for that reason.If Epic said "we are using code from other people's games to do our own AI coding and release copycat products" yes, that would be hypocrisy. But that's not what's happening, so it's not.
>>750469827>Remember kids, it's only ok when billion dollar megacorps steal from you and not when you steal from themShrodinger's socialism
>>750486372lol I work in the field, I definitely didn't say that.I think copyright is good, people wanting it to die are usually just creatively bankrupt.
>>750485214Tendies will buy it. Guaranteed.
>>750470669>>750469827his life is a humiliation ritual
>>750469827If big tech does it then its not theft. If you do it then prepare to get gaped by bubba.
>>750486669Poland
>>750477786Entertainment companies will always ban better entertainment to maintain their monopolies
>>750473908>your conflating copyright and patents. i have been guilty of the same.Both need radical revision, and l mean like total do-over, from scratch. And main topic begin full separation of physical and digital rules and treatment.
>>750470669>plebbit spacing>extreme butt hurt >obsessed with based TimCan't make this shit up lmfao, steamies really don't have anything better to do other than pay full price for a subscription to a game KEK
>>750477931If everybody is stealing then nobody is.
>>750478960I heard it pretty much was. Nothing specific tho.
>>750478812The fact that it's free is exactly why it's not a problem. If I use AI to reproduce a painting, am I stealing the painting? No, it's a reproduction. Humans do that all the time
>>750471005Go back there, autist.
>>750489638Except a human feels inspiration, while a robot only does 1's and 0's and thus is 100% just stealing. Fuck clankers, they should all be deactivated and thrown into a giant garbage pile.
>>750470798It's too important to be in the hands of normies anyway
>>750477602>must lick corpo asslmao
>>750481662No, you just make something that's 99% similar, then bribe the judge into ruling that you didnt violate copyright. Besides what's the little guy gonna do, countersue into legal limbo? Cute >Embrace, Extend, ExtinguishYou fucking retard.
>>750474805>why is mr rights for me not for thee incarnate trying to steal my rightsNo clue m8
>>750473420>but cannot tell you if the program has bugs, is optimizedIt's literally the greatest tool ever invented for doing that. layman should really stop talking about AI.
>>750485943Raping apple is one of the few based things he didIt'll basically end up with Google being gaped to the point where people start using phones to play steam games
>>750484859>even insectoids are tired of all the slophey alright
>>750470669At this point Sweeney is a certified lolcow. Somebody in his company needs to appoint him a tard wrangler or revoke his social media access.
>>750474235Well, yes.
>muh copyrightNot going to matter when armies of super intelligent robots rule the planet. What are you going to do? Argue in front of an AI judge that he should turn himself off because he was trained on copyrighted works?
>>750472403It's theft if it's involuntary, faggot.
>>750486669imperialism
