>https://x.com/kiaran_ritchie/status/2114868609390727381I guess it isn't only Tim Sweeney that seethes over Valve.
does anyone have that picture of a wojak holding a really long tweet and crying
>>750536712>patronizes customers for enjoying a serviceinstafail
>>750536787sorry, all I have is this
>Muh 30% tax!!>It's actually easy to provide a service like Valve does okay?!?!?>MUH DEVS AND PC GAYMING DOEYour CEO doesn't care about PCs nigger shut the fuck
>>750536712>WAH STEAM DID SIMPLE THING>HOW DARE THEY COMPETE WITH ME>GIVE ME MONEY IM BETTER THAN STEAMpathetic.
But if Steam lowered the 30% cut, it'd be even more popular. They would get even angrier.
>>750536712This have to be the chinks threatening Epic to do something about Steam, not other explanation for this kind of behavior.
>>750536712>Being smart and analytical about something is now a meltdown for some leftist anti-art fagslmfao
So if steam were to cut its fees, publishers would lower their price???
>>750536712>somewhere between not that hard and trivialAnd yet, despite how trivial it is, every competing launcher is laughably bad.
>meanwhile his retarded boss:
>>750536712why are you so obsessed with "melties" that you have a fucking AI bot now hunting anything for you to repost in the hour?
How is any of what he said wrong? Steam takes a 30% cut for shits and giggles and it just goes to Gabe's yacht.
>>750536712>steam client is trivialThen why is the Epic client still utter dogshit after all these years?
>>750537135lollmao
>The Steam client and infrastructure is somewhere between "not that hard" and "trivial" ...Ok, then why is Epic's launcher so shit compared to it?How come it can't offer those same "trivial" services that Steam does?
>>750536712all that text to cope about how it's easy to replicate yet its not replicated
>>750537287go on epicclick buy gameclick install gameClick launch gamegame launches
>>750536712Don't Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo also take a percentage with Sony and Microsoft being around the same 30%There is always going to be a market fee.
All of that just to say:>Steam does good shit for the consumer>Consumers like Steam>We can't win because the consumer likes what steam provides>We could Vibe Code a store like steam but the consumers would still refuse to use usThese people are hella gay.
>>750536712>sony, nintendo, and microsoft take 30%>apple and google play store take 30%epic takes 12% but noone likes their platform. i think that's why they are so mad. they kind of devs but have nothing to interest players.
>>750536712Lol, they never got the full amount of sales pre-steam, during steam or post-steam. What a disingenous argument.
> I can't come up with any new features or business models! This is obviously the free market's fault.You love to see it
>>750536712Does Epic have a community workshop and other features that Steam had for years?
>>750536712>Not that hardIt was apparently too hard for Epic.
>>750536712EPIC Games Launcher won't let me play my games without an internet connection and/or without opening their launcher. Steam let's me play offline and if I want to, circumvent their whole launcher by accessing the files installed in my computer.
funniest part of the whole thing. super curious to know how exactly players would be the ones benefitting the most from Steam taking less of a cut
>>750536712>it doesn't pay any bonusesSomeone please, PLEASE think of the poor CEOs and their missing bonuses (the games will just as much and the developers will be laid off after the release of course)
>>750537426EGS takes 12%Fortnite takes 50%
>>750537454Shut up chud, they added chat messages this year ok???
>>750536712jokes on him I only buy from g2a
If epic games store started selling all the uncensored versions of h games with lolis and incest that steam doesnt allow I would switch over to epic store overnight.
>>750536712I always see this bullshit about the 30% "tax" steam has, but never about the 30% tax sony, nintendo and xbox have, hell, I'll venture even further, why the hell should I care about the damn 30% cut if it doesn't mean shit to me as the customer? Has anyone releasing on epic lowered the prices? Only a single game did ever, that's it, everyone's pocketing the difference and throwing shit at steam for having the 30% cut.All while they consistently fail to identify why people prefer steam over everyone else, why do people not switch stores?Like EA's origin, Ubisoft uconnect, Battle.net? These stores that pocket the difference and don't even allow customers to return the games that they're legally obligated to do in the EU and australia, same shit with nintendo, MS and sony that have a zero return policy and even ban you for asking for a return.Why is that the only alternative store that has any online discourse is GOG, which, how's that, offers more or less the same features as steam but adds some DRM free games to the pack?
>>750536712I'm getting real tired of these big tech nerds and their hot takeswhere was epic during the 2000s? sucking console corporate cockthey should fuck off again and not come back
>>750536712>NOOOOO STEAM WAS OUT BEFORE PC GAMERS WERE CONSIDERED MAIN STREAM AND COOL!!>ITS NOT FAIR AND THEY DONT DESERVE THE SUCCESS OF BEING LOYAL TO THEIR OWN FOR ALL THESE YEARS!!I don’t give a fuck, I respect steam for being the first to invent a place to buy games and socialize with other gamers when we were persecuted. Ride or die even if they shut down and all my shit is inaccessible, id still remember them fondly.
These same cunts weren't complaining when retail stores were demanding up to 70% for shelf space and creative accounting by publishersr like Epic meant they could steal from devs until they "paid back the cost" of publishing them even if it meant devs getting zero fucking dollars.Not that we'd have PC gaming at all if these cunts had any say. They were the ones pushing Sony and Xbox out the ass and mocking PC as dead claiming it wasn't a viable platform because of piracy. Meanwhile I was pirating Xbox and PS2 games when they were going on about it.
Look at all these good games on EGSthe Abiotic Factor mod editor is an EGS exclusive OH NONONONNOON
>>750536712>it's ok when Sony/Xbox/Nintendo do it>ONLY bad when Steam does itOnce you get hired by Epic there must be a company-mandated lobotomy or something
>>750537854Looks like the average PSN page just without the BALL N GUNS and LATEST PORT at the top.
>>750536712Why am I supposed to give a shit when devs spend 800 million dollars making a garbage game? They should be forced to pay even more to fill steam with their trash.
>>750537941Nah, I saw one guy who works for an Epic subsidiary basically saying AI disclosure should be mandatory at Tim.Some nobody got assmad and started telling him to stop countermanding his boss and go to Bluesky lmao. Dude didn't give a shit at all and kept tweeting.
WOW, who would have thought that ai vibe coding "devs" would hate consumer rights....i thought le ai was suppose to be GOOD?
These cretins don't seem to understand to beat Steam you need to offer something better. And they never want to do that, all they do is try use exclusive games to entice people to their new service in the hope that those people will then stop using steam.They all want that 30% cut for themselves and are only mad since their plans to get it didn't work
>>750536712Fucking idiot doesn't realize that the people who love steam also buy games through steam. Which means that publishers still make a profit,even when they give 30% away from their profits.You won't get people away from steam through buying the companies favor with a fixed sum. People will hate you for it, that they can't buy a game on steam. They'll also hate the publishers for being bribable.
>>750537178Fucking kek.
>>750537064Realistically, if steam lowered the cut they take Epic would change the rhetoric to something like:>they use their unique monopolistic position to set the cut so low that no other store can afford that and therefore kill the competition.There is no 'moral' with these companies, if something is making them money it is 'moral' and 'good for the customer'. That's their definition of these concepts.
>raise base price of your game by 30% to mitigate the tax.>profit £££All those big words but smol brain tsk tsk
>>750536712>not that hardThen why don't they do it? Hell, if it's so trivial why don't they just one up Steam in every way? Having an objectively better service that nobody uses might actually lend some credibility to his whining.This isn't just an own goal, it's putting down a rake and then jumping on it.He may as well have painted a road on a wall and driven his car into it before road runner even crested the horizon
>>750536712>devs have to give 30% for access to steam's massive userbase and free advertising>this is bad because... it's too good of a deal to refuse!
>>750536712you have to have steam derangement syndrome in order to work at epigjeet
>>750536712Tosser talks about a 30% that goes into a void, while wishing that it goes into his own employer's pocket.
>>750536712I saw that yesterday. Someone ran the post through multiple AI checkers and they all came back as 100% AI generated.
There is literally not a single thing in that whole rant that is incorrect. If God himself created an objectively better client that gifts devs 10% extra revenue for publishing on their platform, Steam users would shout it down because competition is a threat to them. They don't want to install a new client, they want to have it all on Steam. What if it gets too popular and Steam goes out of business? There goes their $20000 library.
>>750536712not reading all that
why do they want valve themselves to fund games
>>750536712>gamers don't want competitionLol the cope is delicious. We want competition. We're just going to choose the better product. Sometimes better products do fail in markets, but it's pretty uncommon. If EGS genuinely was more feature rich than Steam, it 100% would begin to pull away some users. The biggest issues is that EGS sucks, it doesn't have feature parity with Steam (by a fucking mile), the UI sucks, and they never improve or even seem interested improving any of these things. They just try to bribe you with free games, which just leaves a dirty taste in your mouth.As it turns out, the more feature-rich platform is more influential than a bribe.
What the fuck is going on with that image, op? Were you really too retarded to screencap that properly and had AI do it for you? The text got all fucked up and it's annoying so I'm not even gonna finish reading it.Kill yourself. And whoever wrote that giant whine should kill themselves too. So should Tim Sweeney. Stop trying to steal my fucking data, or cheating customers by bribing devs to be exclusive to a shitty storefront that got caught stealing user data to sell. I'll buy games that sell themselves off steam but I'll never give money to chink datafarming services, you fucking vermin.
>>750537064i would rather steam took a 50% cut to make faggot epigjeets seethe even harder and hopefully burst a blood vessel in their collective shared single celled brainTOTAL GAY DEV DEATH
>>750536712>poor devs/publishers have to pay 30% for nothing>servers and all other shit should be financed by customersWhere have I heard this before?
I'm not a dev. Why the fuck would I EVER give a shit how much steam takes? No matter how much the dev takes home, that doesn't change the price for me.
>>750536712The absolute dogshit state of streaming services (Netflix, Disney+, AppleTV, Amazon Prime, etc. etc.) demonstrates what happens when you have "competition" instead of a single market leader that has everything. You need multiple accounts on several different services just to access certain products and you cannot access everything you want on a single login. Epic is doing this already with its exclusivity bullshit. All it ends up doing is bringing console wars retardation to PC, which defeats the entire purpose of gaming on the platform.
>>750536712>30% of industry revenue goes to a black holeWait until Kiaran hears about retail stores.
>>750536712Steam drones ARE real, but Tim and Not Tim (Tim) think because I don't use Epic Store that I'm automatically a diehard loyal user to Steam which isn't true cause I use GoG also. Epic just doesn't offer anything to the table, Tim is an unlikable dickweed and I am actually appalled by their business practice of paying for PC exclusivity. Epic simply are the bad guys who cry out in pain as they strike you.
>>750538223It's also ignoring that it's not a flat 30% fee forever unless your game just is dogshit and never sells. 30% cut: Applied to a game's first $10 million in gross revenue. Lowered to 25% cut: Applied to a game's gross revenue from $10 million up to $50 million. Lowered again to 20% cut: Applied to any gross revenue above $50 million, so over time the more you make, the more you actually earn on Steam.
>>750536712trvke
>>750537284me when i lie and am a pajeet
Steam's not that great. Considering gabe keeps pushing linux it doesn't actually run that well on linux. Eg. it doesn't natively support wayland, which is annoying. And its sort of slow. That's probably because it runs on CEF. Also its annoying that they don't have a steam client SDK. Why not? Why can't I make myself a steam client as a CLI? The closest they have is steamcmd. I also don't really understand why I need steam running for steam games. Why can't the game just do the DRM thing in its library? Why does it need steam running as a server on my machine for the game to negotiate with? I've got a pathetic tiny 32GB of ram (jesus christ how did we get this bad???) so I have to close steam whenever I'm doing anything heavy just to scrounge back a few GB of it.I'd probably get on board the gabe fanboy bandwagon if they provided a steam client SDK so I could just build my own steam client.
>>750536712
>>750537284Why shouldn't Gabe enjoy the fruits of his success?He started the company. He took all the biggest risks. He's not some fuckface CEO who was approved by a board, ruined everything, then bailed with a golden parachute.Gabe Newell is the greatest example of a modern capitalist success story. He's the Henry Ford of the vidya industry. That's why you hate him. You think Steam revenue should be redistributed into the pockets of tranny indie devs whose games sold 10 copies out of some childish ideal of "fairness."
>>750536712>picNice opinion. Did Tim the Swine give that to him?>I guess it isn't only Tim Sweeney that seethes over ValveIt's one of his employees. Go figure.>>750536901Tim is so salty about not having success on PC.When a game solds a lot of copies, most of them are from PC.>>750537351You can only hear bad stuff about that launcher. Even people that reinstalled it, and the had to uninstall again for whatever reason.>>750537546They just want to be richer by doing less. Probably not even the devs would benefit, only their super rich CEO.
>>750536712@grok summarize
>>750536712He's right.However, nobody every released a PC vidya store with the same functionalities as Steam. No one. They always lack something (reviews, forums, refunds, mods, achievements).Developing one wouldn't change much because, again, he's right. But nobody ever tried to make a 1:1 competitor.
>>750536712as an aside, epic fags don't understand what a monopoly is. a monopoly is not just equal to dominance, it's referring to owning every step of the manufacturing process to make competition impossible. for example imagine if steam bought every single game studio. THAT would be a monopoly because then they could just refuse to release the games onto epic. It's not a monopoly because steam only controls the distribution end, and they just happen to give a much better experience for developers than the competition. so game companies can choose where to release their games, and end users can choose what platform to use, and both choices are dictated by the services and features provided by each platform. it's entirely natural. and saying "but steam has too many people! it can never be dethroned!" is ignoring over a century of examples of large companies growing complacent and being overthrown by competitors
Every time timmy tencent has a public melty over steam i put 100 bucks in my steam wallet. Every time I see an anti linux or anti valve shill on /v/ I put 30 in.
>steam's 30% cut doesn't go to the industry>except for funding linux development>and an actual usable controller api>and the entirety of steamworks>and steam audio>and like everything you can check valves github page for>but muh bonusesvalve provides tools that that actually help the industry they aren't there to payroll retards.
>>750538558>"waaah I'm a bitch waaaah 30% bad steam waaaaaah"
>>750538606You forgot Gabe's "research yachts"
all these steam competitors do a lot to get people in the door but never do anything to keep them. Think outside the box a bit, like maybe give out store credit if you play x amount of hours or unlock x achievements. Instead of giving out the weekly free epic store game to everyone only give it to the people who are actually regularly using your service.Also make sure the launcher isn't a resource hog and in your face when you're not playing games
>>750536712Why would a consumer arbitrarily wish for another sales platform to succeed? They only thing that would shift their viewpoint and go through the trouble of migrating are consciously using two platforms is if the alternatively gave vastly superior service. There is no meaningful reason whatsoever for a consumer to fight for a better cut for devs. Also, you should really get to work making actually having superior platform before claiming that having a superior platform wouldn't make a difference.
i still dont know why i should buy multiplats on epic over steam
>>750536712>is just a simple download service>b-but you have to pay the 30% taxes doe!!!! This is what years of Software developer fellating each other looks like. You don't need to add fancy dozen useless services no one need just to prop up your $0 piece of shit. Just make service everyone need plain and simple.
>>750536712always if, would and could, but never is, they don't even really know if people would switch to something better because there is no example of it, something better hasn't been made and probably never will
>>750536712surprise, surprise.
>>750536712I think we are missing the point discussing exactly why steam is still the better platform. These things don't matter to Timmy or any other corpo.Making money and getting a bigger piece of that pie is all that matters, it's just that other tactics (like giving shit for free) have failed so far so they're taking a more direct approach now.If they fuck everyone up and everyone has it worse but they get more customers on their store then it is a success to them.>Just in the gaming space there are thousands of people literally working 24/7 and thinking how they can get more money and make their position better, no matter the costs or methods.Be ruthless to them
>>750538372Not only that, but that idiot of Tim (that doesn't know how to shut up) is clearly hostile toward customers.
>>750537803this guy gets it, gabe newell is my friend, i wish him all the success in the world, and total death upon all those who seethe at him
>>750537426Xbox doesnt take 30% anymore actually but 20% and Xbox PC 13%.
>>750537178what was his plan here?
>>750536712@Grok, give me the summary of this rant. Three sentences at most. No one's fucking reading that shit.
Imagine the other possible scenario. Suppose a normal EA like, shareholder led company got their hands on this level of power. Valve has problems but things could be SO much worse.
>>750538710>Just keep telling it to optimizeThat's so fucking retarded it's incredible. These boomers really think saying >chatgpt do this and make no mistakesis a substitute for actually understanding anything. This shit is going to degrade so fucking fast that they will be unable to stop the freefall at some point and we're all fucked.
>>750538606But that 30% is not going to shareholders which is concerning because it's potentially antisemitic.
>>750536712Sweeney shills get btfo constantly, it's hilarious. Epic is just that dogshit.
>>750538656erm that goes into marine research not vidya
>>750538439> FUCK THE GOYIM
>>750536712Kiaran Ritchie? More like Cryin Bitchy!
>>750536712It's almost a quarter century of good stewardship over PC gaming. You're damn right i'm not willing to trade that away
>>750536712Tim saw that people were shitting on him over his melties and now he forces his employees to do it in his stead.
>>750537546He's arguing that games would cost less on steam if Valve took a smaller cut. This is evidently false just by looking at Epic Store
They always talk about benefits to the developer, not me the customer>BUT TESCO GIVE THEIR EMPLOYEES 20p MORE AN HOUR THAN ASDA!I don't give a shit, give me better deals/products
>>750538907>Your own employees think the launcher is shitOuch
>>750536712>Steam takes 30% to access their massive user base Yes?Are the people at Epic that new to doing business? Exposure is part of a service.Do you think a megastore like say Walmart would stock some dragon dildos for free without seeing anything in return?All fucking stores operate like this, god it feels like arguing with a 9 year old
genuinely what has epic done for pc gaming besides give them a lower cut, how has that helped pc gaming
>>750537064If Steam lowered their cut they would get sued by Walmart and Gamestop over predatory and aggressive pricing. Devs now getting a much more generous cut would entirely focus on digital Steam sales only and push people to abandon physical copies in order to get the highest margins. Which would put retailers like Walmart and Gamestop out of business. Steam taking a hit to negatively effect their part in the gaming industry in the long term is not something those retailers would allow to happen.By having a 30% cut like everyone else Steam actively avoids being sued for abusing a monopoly position
>>750536712Why don't these cunts realize that I don't give one iota of a shit how much the storefront takes? I don't care today, I won't care tomorrow, and I didn't care NINE FUCKING YEARS AGO WHEN TIMOTHY STARTED THIS RETARDED TALKING POINT. I care about ME. I care about what I PAY AND USE. I do NOT care about how much publishers make from a sale.
remember when tim sweeney vehemently refused to support linux, but now that valve has shown to be actively developing for linux gaming he wants to start supporting it.
>>750536712steam lets valve fund deadlock which is better than the crap I buy on the store so I don't care
>>750536712>1. The Steam client and infrastructure is somewhere between "not that hard" and "trivial"And yet "le Ebin store :DDD" couldn't make something on the same level, let alone improve on itIf this is the level I can't be bothered to read the rest
>>750536712why would I the customer benefit from the dev making more money, if the game is good it will sell enough to justify a sequel any way. if its shit that 15% wont matter.
>>750536712how does he know people wouldn't move to an objectively better platform when there hasn't been an objectively better platform yeti sure hope he isn't implying epic is objectively better
>>750536712I use battlenet for blizzard gamesminecraft launcher for minecraftepic games for free shitand I like the idea of GOGI'm not shackled to steam, but their services don't justify their 30% cut
>>750536712>Copying Steam is not that hardOk so do itIts been 22 years since Steam launched and nobody could do it, all everyone does is mald about the fact that Steam actually created a successful PC marketplace
>>750536712>steam client not that hard and trivialoh really? How many years has the epkek game store been out with no improvements? If it's so trivial get on it bitch.>steam takes 30% so does everyone else for the most part, steam also lower it's percentages with stipulations same as everyone else.>steam is better than us and always will be because they put effort into being good at what they do and trustworthy! Fuck you>PC developers choose the store with the greatest ability to get to players which valve have made possible by not being shit like epkek! THAT'S NOT FAIR! IT'S NOT FAIR! Fuck you>WE CAN'T COMPETE BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE ABOUT PROTECTING THE CONSUMER OR MAKING THEIR EXPERIENCE BETTER WE CAN'T JUST MONEYHAT OUR WAY INTO FORCING PEOPLE ONTO OUR PLATFORM WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHFuck you>Range of whining about their alternative store being shit and bad being steam's fault, whining that they can't take users from steam when the goal should be to garner their own users by merit but wait that would be hard!fuck you>THEY'RE GETTING TOO MUCH MONEY THAT SHOULD BE OUR SHEKELS WAAAAAAAAAAAAH! They won't let us put fortnite up on their launcher for free WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!fuck you>spiel about pretending to care about other studios and developers while really just wishing they could siphon money which what they think steam does. Calls it a tax KEK!fuck you>pretends consumers would be better off trusting epkek to be more fair than GabeN when epkek has proven they'll knife your back on a whim while GabeN has a track record of doing well. Pretends he's sad about a 30% tax on devs instead of not getting the "free money".Fuck you
>>750539259>but their services don't justify their 30%devs would quite literally start shitting themselves if they weren't allowed to use half the shit steam provides for them
>>750536712>Steam infrastructure isn't hard to makeYet no nigger seems to do it properly
>>750537284valve reinvests its revenue into things like proton, steam input, and advancements in VR tech (which it shares with other manufacturers and developers too, they don't monopolize it for their own hardware) which make pc gaming objectively better.epic puts its revenue into fortnite collabs.
>>750536712Do these Epic goons ever talk about anything other than their competitors? Every time I hear about Epic, it's them whining and crying and shitting themselves over Steam or Apple or Steam again.
>>750536712He's completely right though
>>750536712how about you make a launcher that is not turbo aids to use and doesn't break half the timefor example the ONLY reason I have battlenet installed is to play some blizzard games with my friends. I would not touch that piece of shit launcher with a 10 foot pole if it didn't have exclusives on it. convenience and features are EVERYTHING to the majority of gamers. having a launcher that just werks and makes buying and playing your games simple is so incredibly important
>>750537284literally just not true, the problem is that the stuff they do contribute is so good you don't even notice it.
>>750538907>Desura
>>750537284You know ALL storefronts take a cut right?
>>750536712didn't read lol
>>750536712I buy basically everything I can off steam but that doesn't mean I buy things exclusively off steam. I unfortunately have played wow so I have bought wow expansions off steam or I've bought games off the companys own website like Vintage Story or things off GoG. Epic Games just doesn't have anything worth buying, anything it does have is just on steam. Get something worth buying and I'll buy it, it's not complicated. Buying 1 year exclusiveness is also a cunt move btw. It makes people just dislike you as a person and not want to support your company. Also because all games release in early access anyway even ones that don't label themselves as early access it kind of benefits steam users since they get to have the game after all the patches come out.
>"Customers will definitely choose the store that gives more money to devs">Spoiler: they didn't
>>750536712Feels so fucking good hating Tim Sweeney, Cliff B, and Epic Games since the fucking 2000s.
>>750539409and to add onto this, battlenet is a perfect example of a store run by a company that is complacent. since the games can only be played on it, they do not give a fuck about their launcher so it sucks and everyone hates it.
>>750538656What's the point of running a business for profit if you can't spend on what you like
>>750537454Remember how long it took them to add a cart? Lmao
>>750536712If /v/ wasn't gay and retarded, we could be trolling Tim Epic and his boys. They're the perfect targets for a little chain jerking using Gayben pfps
>>750536712Then why did it take epic's store so long to have carts if Steam is so simple?
>>750539074Uuuuuuh fortnite and a bunch of UE slop
>>750539561ai wasn't advanced enough yet
>>750536712>Steam client and infrastructure is somewhere between "not that hard" and "trivial"Then implement something as good or better. there is no excuse for attempting to be a competitor with a shittier product, and there are even fewer excuses if you publicly proclaim that it's not that hard to matchThis is like step fucking one and they repeatedly refuse and fail to meet it and then complain that competition is impossible like some kind of self fulfilling prophecy. It's like refusing to get a job because you think society is rigged against you specifically>PC developers have no option but to distribute through Steam or lose the vast majority of salesExcept for fortnite and roblox, which make sense to cast as outliers, except one of them your fucking company owns in its entirety. get a grip. failing to monetize a storefront when you have a captive audience of hundreds of millions of little goyim is a failure on YOUR front, not any competitor's doing, and this is what they don't want to talk about
>>750539336Funniest thing is that they actually shit on the second biggest competitor on PC being GOG, even funnier is the fact that most GOG users also have Steam so they can infact coexist.You never hear CDProject malding like this online
Reminder that Timmy admitted under oath that he doesn't actually believe in any of the bullshit that he is preaching and that he would have dropped the Apple lawsuit if Apple would have given him exclusively a better deal than everyone else.The only thing he wants is Fortnite on Steam with Steam not getting any money. He wants that huge Steam audience without paying anything for it.
>Steam is such a weak platform that even a child could code it>Btw our platform is 2 magnitudes worse than itFunny, i did try fortnite when it launched with friends, and my account got hacked within minutes from someone in south arabia.
>>750536712I can just picture Gabe laughing at this tweet thinking "Ha, gottem!"
>>750539331Literally everything they have done is complete garbage. Proton is a joke. Steam input has been broken for over a decade. SteamVR has felt like pre-alpha shitware for a decade too.Even their hardware is bad. The Steam controller could've been the best new controller out there, but they've filled it with their poison like you can't actually set the activation distance on the triggers because they're worried about false inputs from some retard setting it too low. Same with the analog sticks, you can't set the neutral position so the deadzones have to be much larger than they need to be.
>But realistically no avid Steam user wants other stores to succeed.>The mere existence of other stores risks splintering their precious collection. They are "all-in" on Steam. Invested.This is just untrue. Steam lets you add shortcuts to non-Steam games to your library. I can open Battle.net games and GOG games from Steam. GOG lets you do the same and in fact has Steam account integration so you can automatically load your whole Steam library to GOG.I've never used Epic Games Store. Does it let you do this?
>>750536712>no avid Steam user wants other stores to succeed.Congrats, you retard. It only took you... SEVEN YEARS... to realize that?>Why yes, I want to buy from a more shitty storefront that adds SPYWARE to the games I buy from themSaid no one ever.The faster Epig and all the other shitty clients die so Steam can be a "monopoly!!!" the better.
>>750539656>>Steam is such a weak platform that even a child could code itThat alone is fucking rich from the company that not too long ago was boasting about using AI to improve their store
>>750539684btw the add non-steam game option also fully integrates proton so you can just use steam as a linux game launcher as well, can epic do that as well?
>>750536712He is absolutely right, instead of that 30% cut going back into the gaming ecosphere it buys a fat fuck billionaire a bunch of superyachts his loser fanboys thinks he "deserves".
>>750539408He's right that nothing can unseat Steam. He's wrong that it's a bad thing.
>>750539747>He is absolutely right, instead of that 30% cut going back into the gaming ecosphere it buys a fat fuck billionaire a bunch of superyachts his loser fanboys thinks he "deserves".and what his dim weeney used all his money on? Tell me.
>>750538553>Tim is so salty about not having success on PC.The funny thing is, they DID have success on PC. "Epic Megagames" before they dropped the Megagames during Gears of War was HUGE on PC. Unreal (Tournament) was HUGE and a competitor to Doom/Quake.Timmy Tencent then went consoles with X-box (a Pentium 3 PC, ironically) as PC had a "piracy problem" (oh, like the PSP?) and then chimped out when crawling back PC gamers went "yeah, fuck you. You didn't port Gears, why the fuck should I care about your shit now?"
>>750539747He does deserve it, simply due to the fact that those game devs and other industry fags don't.
>>750539747How does Epics 12% cut benefit me
There are two things these idiots need to do to at least start competing with Steam and they always fuck it up1. Stop fucking with the executables so I can add it as a 'non steam game'. You have got my money, stop being stupid and expecting people to open separate programs for games if their main collection is on Steam.It would be like having a separate shelf in your house to put physical games on in your bedroom when your main collection is in the lounge.2. Proper controller support. Which ultimately can be fixed if they did step 1 properly
>>750539747That money should rightfully go back to Epic's hardworking Chinese Tencent investors!!!
>>750539747Would somebody please think of the shareholders? They NEED a piece of that pie.
>>750536712sure but epic would be even worse, as a niggerlicious (((publically traded))) companydoesn't matter what promises they make or how they try to entice peoplethe endgame is insane user-hostile bullshit like every other public company delivers
People ITT are retarded, just look at opinions like>>750538450You do realize if steam took nothing your game would be 30% bigger, right?
>>750539747>Don't spend profitsCommie
>>750537064Valve is famous for not doing anything, take it up with them. You can join Timmy and co. howling on twitter I suppose.
Tim Sweeney be like>PC gaming is dead PS3 is better and the future>PC gaming is SUPER DEAD PS4 is gonna take over the entire market>PC gaming is DYING mobile will take over everythingMeanwhile Gabe turned PC into a forttess which now makes more money on Steam than Playstation and XBOX combined. You need to throw Nintendo into the mix in order to be equal to PC gaming.And now Timmy cries over Gabe controlling that market and wishes he would be the guy in charge despite not having done anything with it.Which is funny cause Epic Games had a headstart on PC gaming. Unreal was huge back in the days. But Timmy was too busy jerking off Sony to invest into his PC business.
>>750539932By funding the most important game engine in the industry. We can't live without Epic, but the Industry probably wouldn't blink if Steam disappeared over night.
The day Steam gets enshittified is the day I stop paying for games on PC. I'd rather burn pirated game files from some sketchy site to a disk and create my own physical library before EVER EVEN CONSIDERING using Epic or Battlenet. Their building could have a server room fire that ruins jobs and kneecaps their companies and I would wake up and laugh all the same. Total Non Steam Death
>>750537081The west has been in a perpetual state of mass psychosis for decades now, its not that hard to believe
>>750539747>into the gaming ecosphere it buys a fat fuck billionaire a bunch of superyachts his loser fanboys thinks he "deserves".He does, because he's actually getting people off MicroSlops plantation, something Timmy Tencent said people were "Going to Canada" about until the past month where he crawls to lick Linux users boots since Fartshite is finally dying.Ironically: Using Gay Ben's "Proton" development/investment to port his dogshit Battle Royale to Linux. :)
>>750540003>Valve is famous for not doing anything, take it up with them. You can join Timmy and co. howling on twitter I suppose.Which is why sometimes doing nothing at all is the right move. Steam isn't trying nor has it ever tried to be a monopoly. It wants to be a good service that people want to use, that's it, that was the whole point of GabeN's piracy speech.
>>750539831 >>750539864 >>750539932 >>750539946 >>750539956Money going to billionaire yachts instead of gamedev is good because... it just is, okay?
>>750540018I wake up in a cold sweat by thinking we might not have unreal slop anymore one day.
>>750540018UE5 is dogshit and every new update somehow makes it worse. Maybe because Timmy is too focused on new fancy looking features to advertise the next release with - meanwhile legacy features hardly ever get updated and remain unoptimized or abandoned entirely.Whenever people see a game using UE5 they expect it to run like ass - hardly a name that carries the industry. Not to mention that big publishers like Capcom or EA still use their own engines.
>>750540113>Money going to billionaire yachts instead of gamedev is good because... it just is, okay?So you can't prove Weeney would spend it better than GabeN? Then why should I care.
>>750538854>they will be unable to stop the freefall at some point and we're all fucked.We really nees to make some archives to presetve actually useful instructions on how to do things properly.Man, has anyome tried to "fix" the COBOL issue with AI yet? I guess ATMs still work so no.
>>750540003Only zoomers unironically think this. Do you think Steam just fell into their lap one day?
>>750540113I think the devs should self publish outside of steam if they want more money. It's that easy, right?
>>750536712>>750537064>>750538089>>750538408>>750539084>>750540003Steam introduced a variable cut nearly a decade ago. But no one mentions it because it hurts their narrative.https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/steam-taking-smaller-sales-cut-from-bigger-games
>>75053671230% cuts this 30% cuts that, then lower your cuts and make publisher lower the prices too. I don't give a fuck about how they are getting more money if I'm still paying the same price. Why would I buy something on Epic when their service is worse and it costs the same?
>>750540113>Can't even reply properly Indian
>>750540113Those yachts also get used for geology and ecologic research.Meanwhile "devs" getting more money means more money for the shareholders of those publishers.Timmy is using his money to buy forest and farmland. Same shit Bill Gates is doing.Claiming he wants to protect nature when in reality he is using his control over that land to force landowners into businesses he also has investments in.
>>750540163What kind of fucking retarded argument is that?
Reminder that Epic Games takes a standard 12% revenue cut (an 88/12 split where developers keep 88%) on game sales through the Epic Games Store, after the first $1 million in annual revenue per app which is charged at 0%>Tim and Epic Games actually innovate and create original ideas unlike Valve who poached students from digipen institute of technology and blatantly lifted the gameplay mechanics TAG: The Power of Paint and Narbacular Drop and put them in Portal 1 and 2 meanwhile Tim Sweeney makes original projects like Fortnite>helped the environment, between 2008 and 2019, Tim Sweeney has purchased and dedicated over 50,000 acres of North Carolina land to conservation, the most notable being the Box Creek Wilderness, a 7,000-acre natural area that contains more than 130 rare and threatened plants and wildlife species meanwhile Gabe is destroying the ocean with his fleet of yachts>revolutionized game development with the Unreal Engine>funded the PC ports of the Kingdom Hearts series and NEO: The World Ends With You>is funding Fumito Ueda's new game gen ATLAS>Only takes a 12% from devs meanwhile Gabe the jew takes a 30% cut>regularly gives you free games>Valve has been involved in three major high-profile class action lawsuits, The UK Antitrust & Overcharging Lawsuit, New York Attorney General Loot Box Lawsuit and Nationwide US Loot Box Gambling Class Action>Steam is letting games filled with malware onto their store and has no manual checks, using Steam puts your PC at risk>Epic Games Store client became faster than Steam client and Valve shat their pants and had to quickly push an update out to make Steam faster due to their insecuritiesWhen Gabe inevitably dies in a few years, he can make one good decision for once in his life by leaving Valve to Tim Sweeney and letting him take over the company and course correct
>shat on PC>came crawling back>shats on linux>came crawling back>shat on adult games>came crawling back>even started pushing some corpo wannabefanservice in his censored garbage gameWhat's this retard's next move?
>>750539997>he doesn't know
>>750536712Gabin (PBUH) won
>>750540113I want the money to go to me
>>750540113The boot lickers will continue licking, it's sad.
>>750539013It's evidently false since digital sales became a thing at all. Prices never went down to reflect the reduction in cost to produce fewer physical copies.
>>750540292Go back to bed tim, nobody gives a fuck about your aislop.
>>750540235What narrative? I don't like steam but epic would obviously be worse. There's nothing to argue about.
>>750540235Nobody also mentions that Steam lets you generate Steam keys for your games. Keys you can sell to third party sites. And Steam makes no money through Steam key sales.I can put a game on Steam - charge 30 bucks for it - after that generate 10000 keys and sell those for 30 bucks each on my own site - or let someone like GMG or Humble buy them with a mass discount to get a lot of cash right away.The only rule Steam has is that the games should not be substantially cheaper than the copy on the Steam store. A rule a lot of publishers break - but Steam doesn't even care enough to enforce the rule anyway
>>750536712they are still trying that "if thwy rediced that 30% cut the games wpuld be cheaper and better!!!"?egs has a 12 % cut and their games were only like 55 bucks for about a week until publishers realized that they don't have to actually lower the price
>>750539747It's probably true for indie devs, but gaming corpos aren't paying their employees with their profits, it's going to their CEOs
>>750539851>like the PSP?And PS2! For me the piracy era was almost like a synonym to PS2 era, LOL.So, Tim has always been a monkey, and now that had luck with Fortnite, he keeps being a monkey? Damn, this dude can't learn...
>>750536901epicstore only takes 12% i think
>>750536712I have counterpoints for every argument of that retard>1If Steam is somewhere between "not that hard" and "trivial", then why Epic Store is still giga shit?>230% is a bit too much, I agree, but it works. It keeps Steam free of ads and free from other shitty premium services. If your game is actually good, it will sell despite that tariff>3Steam users love steam and gog too. Turns out there is more to it than having your game library on Steam.>4Nobody stops developers to release their game somewhere else. Most indie devs first release their game on ich.io and then on Steam. Steam is a must, because its the most popular gaming service out there. It will be stupid not to release your game there.>5Epic wanted to "eat" Steam with their Epic store, not to co exist with Steam. Hence why they used the "free gamez lol" and "exclusivity" scoundrel strategies in the past.Its true that Steam had the headstart as the 1st online store for digital games on pc, but gog and itch.io have managed to coexist with that giant in peace. They dont seek to destroy Steam or be as big as Steam; they just offer something alternative to SteamTim Sweeney and his goons are lucky because Unreal Engine has been adapted the majority of videogame studios and makes them bank. Its the only thing that keeps these Unreal retards afloat
>>750539932It doesn't. That's something the EpJeets can't refute.
>>750536712This retard absolutely doesn't get it. This fucking sentence: "Even if an alternative were objectively better, by whatever metric you care about" tells so much about how clueless this guy is.Nobody needs a storefront that is better by some random metric. If I'm gonna use something other than Steam, it has to give me something that Steam doesn't or at least match Steam. GoG gives me DRM free games, so I do sometimes buy from GoG despite it being awful in every other regard. EGS gives me.... free slopware, so I don't use it because I can't even be arsed logging in to claim the free slop. If EGS was a literal 1 to 1 copy of Steam, I might consider using it, but they'd have to lock TImmy in the kennel first.
>>750538223its a shit deal
What exactly does Epic want to happen? It's not like the government can force people to stop using steam.
>>750537178hes growing too powerful
>>750537284>How is any of what he said wrong?Dunno about "wrong" but his thesis is that isn't no use trying to compete with steam because users have already settled on it for no reason. But people have had issues with steam since the beginning. Why not try to compete by using less system resources or supporting older windows version etc. etc.? His post is basically just rationalizing giving up because they didn't get the first mover advantage.
>>750536712>still nowhere near feature parity>still can't leave reviews>supposedly lower cuts but games still cost the sameWhy would I ever buy something on Epic?
Epic Game Store could be faster and more feature rich than Steam and i still wouldn't use it because Timmy is a pathetic little shit who lies constantly and who has a history of abusing his position in the market to his own benefits.Steam might be a monopoly but its a monopoly not playing the monopoly cards. You don't see Steam do shady exclusivity deals - You don't see Steam strongarm publishers into malicious deals. When Ubisoft decided to abandon Steam Gabe didn't give a shit. He didn't punish them for it. Steam also supports open software projects while Timmy buys open source companies and turns them into for profits.
>>750540584Not for lack of trying
>>750540584They think they're activists rallying the common man, except they hate the common man and they're championing corporations against them. It's very bizarre.
>>750536712The 30% goes towards things like steam providing gameservers and networking to connect your players together. And having to pay 30% vs 12% is well worth the price of getting to shill to 10x more users. You can't compete with steam here until you actually get a comparable number of players, and even then if end users don't see these profits no one cares. What if for a $10 game, instead of making it so that devs vs store is a 88/12 split, you make it like steam and give devs 70, but then use that remaining 18% to just reduce the cost of the game upfront to consumers?
>>750540584The Rothschilds lost in court against Steam and are seething anon, give it a few years and it could be
>>750536712If we are actually having the discussion. I don't have too much dirt on Epic, so I suppose I could see myself and enthusiasts supporting them. They do some good stuff with funding some open source stuff and their commercialization is fair.However they also some absolutely retarded stuff as well. Maybe before giving away hundreds of millions in games, maybe create a platform which actually competes with steam.They are associated with cutting edge fidelity and FOMO culture of gam1ng. Valve gives hope to the brrrs and pajets of the world by funding work that makes old stuff work. Epic is in that sense just part of the fueling the worst parts and instinct of the culture. It's the same shit all over again, "wicked" marketing targeted at identity and young adults is just thinly veiled exploitation. As an enthusiast all I see is a corporation who think fidelity is the objective measure through which to judge videogames, and therefore I cannot trust them. Maybe Valve's values is kept solely due to Gabe, in which case it's GabeTrain until he croaks and then I'm out. Or rather I'll find something different, maybe GoG.Most of the big hardware and software companies think they're the hottest shit, when in fact everyone is just captured inside the ecosystem. Which is probably why these people can't cope with competition. In fact most of the positives that valve get is literally just sticking to the status quo, while everything gets enshittified. It's just raw incompetence and disconnect from the enthusiast audience.
>>750540584Timmy knows he can't do anything through his lawyers because Steam is not actually real monopoly that the government could go against.So instead he just cries on Twitter all day and expects people to agree with him. Cause why make your own products better when you can complain about your competition winning all day?
>>750540235>the rich getting richer1 solo dev should pay less than a company that hires 100 people because... because the solo dev struggles okay!?
>>750536712>30% of gross revenueyet again, any major developer can negotiate this, and any smaller developer that meets a certain threshold of sales can negotiate this. 30% is just the starting base sum for folks, not a absolute.
>>750536712You can't review games on Epic. That's all you need to know.
At this point anyone doing the "30 PERECENT CUT IS BAD" lie is an utter fucking retarded niggerfaggot who shouldn't be alive. Back in GDC 2019 valve employees showed hints of how much backend server costs they had to do and that the Steam prepaid cards never made them money.
>>750540716Yeah they talk like every buyer is a potential indie dev, and every buyer cares deeply about the publishers/developers. To an extent I care about the devs if it's for a game I like, but they're corporations. It shouldn't be on me to try and push their raft for them.
The 12% Epic are offering aren't even sustainable. Timmy is eating a loss financed by Fortnite cash.Steam could of course do the same with Dota 2 and CS2 but why would they? It's not like they need to convince devs to use Steam. And Steam using 12% would also be too aggressive considering their market position. Sony, MS, Nintendo and retails would view Steam offering 12% as a declaration of war.
>>750536712Why are they so obsessed over the 30% number when it's the exact same as Xbox and Sony? Mind you these are the people who have gone full blown stage capitalism with fortnite crossovers milking the absolute fuck out of their largely adolescent playerbase worse than anything we've ever seen in the industry.
>>750536712JUST LOWER PRICESIT'S THAT EASYLet's do some quick math: 30% of 70 is 21, so 21 goes to steam, 49 to the publisherNow if Epic charges 12% instead of 70, the publishers could set the price at 60, 7.2 goes to epic, 52.8 goes to the publisherThey gain a little bit more even, and the price is 60 instead of 70Will they do it? NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE GREEDY FUCKSDoes Microsoft publish games at lower prices on their consoles or on their store compared to Steam where they have to give a 30% cut? NODoes EA publish games at lower prices on their store compared to Steam where they have to give a 30% cut? NODoes ANYONE publish games on Steam at 70 and at 50 on their store? NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE GREEDY FUCKSPHYSICAL GAMES COST THE SAME AS DIGITAL FOR NO REASONJUST LOWER THE PRICESThere, it's that easyI solved the steam monopoly issueIt's a pricing issue, just lower prices and you'll get customers
>>750540113>Money going to billionaire yachts instead of gamedevTim Sweeney is firing Epic staff and making the others do AI generating.
>>750540879I would care about the 30% cut if it actually reflected on prices. It doesn't. It's just publishers making more money.
>>750537426They're not kind to devs. They're kind to publishers.Devs already got paid, and get jack shit when the publisher gets the extra.
>>750540980see >>750540871
>>750540980How could you know that, my esl friend?
>>750536712>not that hard>trivial>they somehow can't do betterjust epic things (and amazon too for that matter)
>>750540909If steam went to 12% across the board all the other storefronts would mald to no end that they can't compete with that, just like game devs did with Silksong being $20.
>>750540980Yeah do the devs even see it if they aren't published and developed by the same company?
>>750540913Epic is offering lower prices than Steam often enough but people still don't buy shit on his store cause it's dogshit. >Tim buys the exclusivity rights to Tetris Effect on PC for a few months>EGS doesn't even have VR support>people who bought the game on EGS had to install Steam and make an account there to use SteamVR in order to get Tetris Effect working
>>750536712>Steam users loves Steam and having their whole library in one place. It works. It's dependable. It has sales and cards and achievements, oh my!This is somehow a fucking problem?
TL:DR. Get out of game dev and stop whining faggot.
>>750536712You must be better store fronts.It's that simple.
>>750540329>enjoying vidya games that come with a built in community, review system, and other tools from a storefront that also categorizes my games and offers steep discounts on a regular basis is bad
>Steam is just a smattering of services on the sideGigacope. Steam is basically a whole social, modding, and review hub rolled into one.
Most games Valve has made since Half-Life, except Half-Life 2, Ricochet, Artifact, and Deadlock have been a direct consequence of them hiring new people based on the cool things they made on their own, so Valve can own a better, more polished version of those good ideas.Counter-Strike was a Quake mod called Action Quake, turned into a Half-Life mod called Counter-Strike, which was made an official product.Team Fortress was a Quake mod turned into a Half-Life mod called Team Fortress Classic, then into a totally original overhaul called Team Fortress 2.Left 4 Dead started as a Counter-Strike: Condition Zero mod called Terror Strike.Portal was a student project at Digipen called Narbacular Drop and the Gel mechanics in Portal 2 were taken from another Digipen project called TAG: The Power Of Paint.DOTA 2 is a standalone sequel to a Warcraft 3 mod called Defense of the Ancients.And DOTA Underlords was supposed to be an official version of DOTA AutoChess, but the original team decided not to work with Valve, so Valve made their own version anyway.Even Half-Life Alyx integrated expertise that they bought out Campo Santo for.Tim and Epic Games make original ideas meanwhile Gabe and Valve just poach students from local universities, reuse the gameplay mechanics from the student projects and pass it off as their own and then hires and fires the students from Valve after a year or two while Valve makes off with millions of dollars. Gabe also had the audacity to claim Valve makes original products.
>>750536712>oh yeah cloning steam is easy i just won't ever ever ever ever do it>muh investment good ur investment bad fragment your library to not benefit right now i'm losing my mind aaaaaaaaaaaa money not going into fortnite skins is wastedEveryone who works at epic is a cartoon villain hellbent on looking the most unhinged possible at any given time. Once I saw one of those niggers in a retro handheld shitcord trying to defend the cost of AI, I shit you not.
>>750538587based & same
I'm not mad at the chef who gets more praise than a fry cook. Just make a better platform lol
>>750541071It is for Ebin, who offers none of that and less.
>>750541036Exactly. Why should i as a developer even make a PS5 or Switch version at this point? I would only release the game on Steam and tell my fans to buy the game there - cause i would make way more money with Steam copies compared to console copies.Steam would get attacked by Nintendo and Sony sharks over predatory pricing attacks. They would argue that 12% are not sustainable and that Steam are using their marketleader position to fuck over their competition and build a true monopoly, And they would probably win.
>>750536712unfortunately nobody will ever match steam if the end goal is making more money, that's the hard truth the poor investors don't want to hearsteam became the monolith it is by caring about players before customers
>>750536712>3 it worksThat's all it need to.Guess it's one of those "deceptively simple" concepts that are just too hard to grasp for anyone besides Valve.
>>750541029I can see Epic's prices. Same as Steam's, some are actually higher. I really don't care unless I'm the one saving money.
>>750541107>just poach students from local universitiesWhere the fuck do you think new faces in the industry are being hired from all over? Some dudes in basements becoming gigacoders and artists?
>>750538475Only time Ive seen a frogposter be correct. Streaming services are a more apt comparison in terms of market to gaming. And the idea of exclusivity coming to PC launchers is something nobody wants.
>>750536712>Users are locked into Steam>and therefore developers are stuck paying 30% of gross revenue to ValveOh is that how it works? Aren't us gamers the ones who bear the real cost and have to pay 30% on games?If that's the cause surely games will be cheaper on Epics no?
>>750536712>people don't want alternatives or split their collectionDoes gog simply not exist in whatever fucking world Epic lives in? Or fucking Blizzard? Or even UPlay as shitty as it was, people were using it since they wanted to play fucking Ubisoft games.
>>750541107>Tim and Epic Games make original ideaslike what? fortnite? lol
>>750540307Whatever the fuck he wants *takes aggressive bite from remote*
>>750536712I think it's extremely telling he didn't said anything about how a commission lower than 30% could mean lower prices for consumers
>>750541107Oh man, poor uni students getting handpicked and hired by one of the best paying companies in the world, that's a mark of shame on their resumes for sure, i don't know if i even could leave my house if i were them.
Corpos really have no other tricks in their playbook, other than to buy out a publicly traded company and then turn it into absolute shit, huh.
>>750536712I mean I agree it's retarded to rent games on PC but people can just pirate instead? Valve is evil like any other company but Epic aren't any better. Valve and Sony are the worst but whatever. Just don't support them.
>>750541063They don'tI just opened EGS and got Phantom Blade 0 on the front page, cost 59.99I opened Steam, looked up PB0 and the cost is 59.99Why?Put it at 49.99 on Epic and people might actually buy it thereBut they don't, because publishers don't want to lower prices, they like the extra profit, but don't realize that 49.99 on EGS is more than 59.99 on SteamBecause they're just retardedIf Epic wants to succeed, they have to force the publishers to lower prices on the EGS
>>750540018>We can't live without EpicWe know, we're all hoping you fucking die in fact.
I'm only interested in your "balanced ecosystem" if the products don't have DRM and so I don't need to run multiple different platforms to access my games. I know you won't do this so having DRM but on a single platform that has nice features that I regularly use like automatic gameplay capture and controller emulation is the next best thing
>>750537178imagine being a ceo of a big corporation and being so mad you spend your free time posting wojaks at people who don't like you
>>750541029By looking at Epic Games Store
>>750536712They could have just tried to create a better storefront for the users, insted of going all in on pandering to publishers, andtrying to bribe cutomers with free games into using their store.Or better yet, they could have gone the GOG DRM free route. That way users could add their games to their Steam collection without having to buy it from Steam.
>>750536712>muh 30%Every single fucking time only against Valve. Timmy must have some personal grudge against Gabe at this point, this retarded obsession isn't normal.
Is there really no one at epic that can just take these retards phones away, I don't care how many yachts gabe owns steam is a better service than epic. Fix that first, then you can rant about him throat singing while juggling daggers in the halls at valve.
>>750538558"I work at Epic and want a promotion and better job security, so I'm going to publicly parrot the same positions as my retarded CEO to hopefully get noticed and put on his good list."I think Sweeney even retweeted this guy, too.
>>750536712>1Than repeat the success.>2Industry standard.>3What? Weirdly petty.>4Good. Also I feel like Tim will fire you for saying this out loud.>5Have you tried actually competing?>the restpic related
Epic just perpetuates the same bullshit with less quality, less content, less effort, and then wonders why no one wants to flock to them besides for Fortnite. And nowadays you don't even need the Epic Launcher for Fortnite.
>>750540578ok, then do everything steam does and don't use itif it was a shit deal then everybody wouldn't be taking it to the point where competition is this starved
>>750536712kek he knows he's fucked steam is god
>>750540018If UE died tomorrow people would just use the next best engine available. If Steam died tomorrow PC gaming might not even be a thing anymore.
epic are becoming some of the most precious lolcows
doesn't steam not allow devs to sell on other stores with lower prices? i remember there was a lawsuit because of that, so it's understandable why devs don't sell lower on epic
Is EGS about to get axed or some shit? Why are they behaving like they have a gun to their head in these tweets?
>>750536862I dunno why these retards are so dishonest but just look at the doesnt fund dlc line. As if games dont launch with day 1 dlc anyways or info about upcoming dlc before the game is even announced
>>750540292>Reminder that Epic Games takes a standard 12% revenue cut (an 88/12 split where developers keep 88%)Incredibly deceptive because so many devs use UE and they get paid for devs using that as well. So their cut is technically likely around 40% if you use UE.
>>750539451I feel like this is the same kind of thinking as those retards who genuinely believe a 'Pay what you want' cafe can work when history continually demonstrates they never, ever do.
>>750541574oopsies my image is retardedsudoku time
>>750540578>Offer the same 30% cut you would get anywhere else>It's a shit dealWho's even offering a better deal aside from Epic that comes with a bunch of asterisks?
I still remember 2008 when Gears 2 came out and Epic abandoned the PC for Xbox exclusivity. They said piracy made PC untenable and consoles were the future. Right around the time Valve made Orange Box and doubled down on PC. Epic did not have that vision or ambition. They went for the quick Microsoft cash in, and now it's too late and they are coping.
>>750536712>No avid Steam user wants other stores to succeed>Competition is actively denigrated!Wtf, why aren't Steam users being arrested for this?
>>750540584>What exactly does Epic want to happen?They think that if they are extra negative about it, all their negativity might give Gaben a heart attack or a stroke one day. When that day comes, the Epic store guys will coom buckets and celebrate Gaben's death for a week
>>750541605They don't allow you to sell steam keys in other places at lower prices than steam.You can sell other games for less somewhere.
>>750536712Nobody has made a good Steam alternative. Epic's launcher is fucking DOGSHIT. I have nearly 600 games on there (virtually all of them are shovelware giveaways), and the library takes 10x longer to load than Steam. Hell sometimes I want to play a game I have on Epic, but the whole experience is so shitty I just buy a steam key on a key seller site and play it there because it's so much better. Gog is good but doesn't have every new release. I don't want to buy shit on EA or Ubisofts trash service because I have no faith they won't just shutdown the service at some point and take my games away. This is just massive cope because they were late to the game and Steam is resting on their laurels.
>>750540292>Standard 12%>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Standard
>>750541574>look at our vibecoded launcher that barely even functions and half of the users testing it can't launch fortnite, but it boots faster than steam on system startup, isn't that COOL that this is the only metric we provided?>days prior steam updated to boot faster, and the following day steam updated to boot faster again so their only metric didn't matterPrivileged money-rich manchildren that can't understand a lick of sense.
>>750541605>Be epic exclusive >Sell at lower price than standard >Once exclusivity deal ends rise prices>Blame steam for the riseSounds like an easy businesses plan
>>750541614ue5 is free for the first million then only 5% where the fuck did you get 40% from?
>>750536712If only Steam didn't exists... Trump probably won't be the President
>>750540018Just like how people cloned Adobe's programs, I would love for someone to just have Claude shit out a UE competitor that's 1/10th the price, as or more capable, performs better, and is compatible with all of the same asset formats Unreal uses.I bet Timdog would shut the fuck up real fast about AI if an Unreal alternative engine started eating his market share.
I buy games off GoG all the time if I can the entire idea gamers wouldn’t go for a better service is retarded. No one has actually tried to give as good or better of a service as Steam except for GoG in 20 years. Uplay is actual assMicrosoft is a subscription now, was so ass when it was games for windows Sony didn’t even tryEpic is vibe coded Chinese malware Origin let my account get hacked four times. The only two good online digital storefronts that have ever been made are Steam and GoG, everything else has been actively worse bordering on malware.
>>750541071they don't care about the consumer, they just want your money without trying
>>750536712why are these people so completely MINDBROKEN by steam and valvetimmy especially has an obvious vendetta against gabe
It was funny when they were giving games away to Fortnite zoomies thinking they'd grow to be their loyal costumers, instead of just developing the fucking launcher and making it at least half as good as Steam. How well did that turn out?
>>750541605And yet epic exclusive games all cost the normal amount. Almost as if it's just a retarded excuse.
>>750536712One works with Linux, one doesnt. That's it. I have no loyalty. I don't care.
>>750541819He'd just triple down on AI himself and sue someone else from using it instead of him.
>>750541608They're honest, too honest in fact. This sperg is telling you upfront his agenda is all that matters and any money not spent on perpetuating the worst game engine of all time to peddle hardware from the worst cartels in all human history and dogshit metaverse live service goes into a black hole. You are antiseptic for looking out for your best interests, unlike him, and you have to make your life worse to give the china capital owned billionaires a fighting chance.
>>750541819Timmy pretty much confirmed already that UE6 is going to be vibecoded, I do wonder if steam will force all UE6 games to use the AI label
>>750540292I'm sorry Tim, you look like a gremlin, EGS is blatantly inferior to Steam, and your main source of income, Fortnite, is getting its ass kicked by Roblox. And you'll never be Gabe, no matter how much you seethe about it.
>>750537426You should read the court transcript against Apple.Timmy admits that he has no problem with Apples cut and closed store front if they gave only him preferred treatment. They guy became the worst kind of CEO only out to make more dosh for himself, no matter the cost.Too bad that he has never learned the rules of the game to not openly shit on your supposed rival, especially if they beat you at every turn and laugh about it.
>>750541605They don't care, as long you aren't selling Steam keys for a lower price. They already don't take any cut from keys.
>>750536712literally LLM speak generated by Claude
>>750536712>dudes name is karenbrutal
>>750540502>epicstore only takes 12% i thinkWhy would I do business with them then? I don't want greedy publishers getting to take home more money when I buy a game.
I really hate this concept of "oh steam users are all in on steam", it's a load of shitIf someone made Staem and it was identical except every game was half the price, literally everyone would jump shipNobody, NOBODY, is as all in steam as these idiots love to claim
>>750538571The only thing there that actually matters is refunds.
>>750536712All this 30% shit is so tiresome. It means nothing to me, the consumer, when the game is the same price on both stores. If EGS wants to really compete, they should keep their game prices consistently lower than Steam. They'd still get blown out, but at least they'd have a selling point in their favor.
>>750537081actually probably true
>>750541642Lol forgot about that. They really had all the cards, even at the right time. Imagine if they actually used their influence and worked with all the devs using unreal, creating a consumer oriented storefront. Now I know why they are copebrained.
Tim Sweeney launched $70 million to help students meanwhile greedy Gabe poached students from Digipen, lifted the ideas from their student projects and put the ideas in Portal 1 and 2 and fired all of the students two years later while Valve made off with millions.
>>750536712Literally nothing is stopping any developer and publisher from selling their game on another store, or heaven forbid, no launcher at all
Reminder that Amazon tried to make a competing store to steam, and nobody even knew until they announced they had given up.
>>750541865I think Tim is upset because he really had the chance with fortnite and a newer pc boom to get people on his platform and was like 2 years too slow to realize it. By the time they got something functional, not even steam competitor status yet, it was too late and all those potential new pc users already had a budding steam library.
WHY DON'T THEY JUST SELL DRM FREE GAMES ON THEIR WEBSITES INSTEAD SO????????? That would be an actually beneficial to the customers alternative to steam. They could still sell their games on steam as well.
>>750536712epic are like the losers who hated the pc crowd for 20 years and is now complaining about how its not fair the crowd they neglected don't love them back.30% cut is all they can complain about meanwhile they ignored the platform for decades. its like someone complaining that the cure for cancer is too expensive after they spent years telling people with cancer to just hurry up and die.
Gabe should start a campaign where you tweet out a screenshot of you deleting your EGS account he will send you a -50% coupon for any game.
>>750537426>epic takes a smaller cut but the games cost the sameExplain the advantage of using EGS to me, the consumer.
>>750542020It either takes time and/or money to compete with Steam but companies don't want to do that.
>>750542108Customers? Fuck customers. Publishers will decide the future of- WAIT, COME BACK, I MEAN DEVELOPERS. YOU'RE STARVING THE POOR DEVELOPERS.
Does anyone else just picture Valve employees standing around a TV in the break room and laughing their asses off when someone pulls up retarded tweets from Timmy or other EGS employees?I know I would if I worked at Valve.>>750542148It, uh.. makes it really easy to send your data to Tencent and the CCP, I guess?
>>750537178Tim is a real autist not a fake one
>do nothing>your competition starts having a meltdown Steam will never get a true competitor right?
>>750541854Epic wanted to corner the industry for 100% profits, but as the player numbers dwindle, Timmy's panicking that mobile didn't expand the numbers enough to keep things afloat thanks to the years of legal battles with Apple and Google, even if he did "win". He wants to effectively try to use his fanboys or associates and find any means to force Valve to let Fortnite onto Steam so he can rapidly expand the playerbase again while minimizing any profit losses as much as possible, all the while frustrated that Epic Store is an abject failure to launch and no one seriously uses it for buying games or even playing them that much, not even the immense number of freebies they wasted money on out of their own pockets.This is just another step in the same shit as his rambles last year that Call of Duty and Roblox will one day be part of his big metaverse (now "megaverse") dream where you'll have Fortnite skins in both games as if he'll take over everything to be the Ready Player One king of all gaming and existence. He's desperate, and he's lashing out every other week now moaning that it's unfair that Steam gets so much success where he doesn't despite the sheer money he made. He knows he's a fad that's slowly falling out of fashion, and instead of actually taking steps to fix it, they half-assed all of those and are now falling back to "blame the competitors for unfair practices so you get a leg up."Tim wants to rule it all and the only way he can figure how is defamation and playing dirty while lying through his teeth every step of the way.
>>750542148their "free" game bribes suck too, they never come with the dlc and expect you to download their spyware. Meanwhile if i wanted to do that i may as well just pirate the game and buy it during a steam sale.
>>750540502Yeah and it's the reason why EGS is a gigantic money sinkhole that's never turned a profit.
>>750542108anon, they don't even allow reviewsthey are user hostile as possible, while pretending to be da good guys
>>750542148You get to use a poorly designed store with barebones functionality?
Nobody is stopping them from selling their games on GOG as well. But they dont want that. They just want some other shitty client.
DAILY REMINDERThis entire tantrum is because timmy tencent is mad that he missed out due to him believing that pc gaming was dead 18 years ago.https://news.softpedia.com/news/Tim-Sweeney-Says-the-PC-Is-Dead-for-Games-80714.shtmlThis was 2008. Literally the perfect time to start building a competitor to steam. Instead he decided that pc gaming was a shit platform and that valve can have it, only for him to end up regretting it years later.
>>750537284Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft do it too. Why is it bad when Valve does it?
>>750536712Keep paying your 30% it funds my game
>>750536712Let me access all my Steam games in your store without any noticeable performance hit while giving me all the features I use from it.That is all I ask. I'm not loyal to a fucking store.
>>750536712He's right tho.Steam is dogshit and any money spent on steam is lost to the gaming industry, Valve doesn't make games nor do they help anyone make games or even promote them. 'fraidaroo
>>750536712ok but give 1 (one) singular reason to use Epic over GOG if I don't like Steam
I wonder if you could send a letter directly to the CCP sayingThis guy tim sweeny is the front face of one of yours subsidiaries in the west and it's ruining the reputation of your country
>>750542253>>750540502they've been bribing devs to make their game a timed epic exclusive. if people remember over a decade ago using their fortnite money they kept paying devs to remove their games from steam upcoming and release it only on epic for like 6months-1year. we had a metro borderlands and stuff like maneaters that took the cash
>>750542331>nor do they help anyone make gamesverifiably not true
>>750542232Tim is fucking retardedHe pulled out fortnite on mobile and let pubg/cod/roblox take over thr audiences they could have gotten if he didnt go on that lawsuit spree
>person writes a blogpost>IT'S A HECKIN MELTDOWN!!!!!Copying the clickbait tactics of media is one of the gayest nigtard things newfags have brought to this site.
>>750536712Epic being based in Raliegh makes all the employees being retarded whiny faggots make a lot more sense
>>750539013It is against Steam's TOS to sell games elsewhere for cheaper
>>750542338Tim will wag his tail at you.
>>750542331>Valve doesn't make gamesDeadlock>Nor do they help anyone make gamesCounter-StrikeHalf-Life BlackmesaDota 2Deadlockhuh?
>>750536712How come Sweeney and co have been seething especially hard against steam recently? Theyre trying REALLY hard to convince people but its clearly falling on deaf ears and most people kind of know theyre full of shit.
There is literally nothing stopping the likes of Epic and EA and Ubisoft and Capcom and Activision and whoever else the fuck just selling an EXE download of their games on their own websites while still selling the games on steam. But they dont want to do this as when they complain about this shit all they mean is they just want their own client to profit from like steam.
>>750542331>nor do they help anyone make gamesSteam is basically the only reason the indie game scene is as big as it is.
>>750542380Guy on that pic is visibly mentally unwell and having a melty, yes. Try reading the funny picture next time, toxotranny.
I think I spent more money on EA App and Battle.net than Steam this year.
>>750542338Tim will come to your house and chew up your remotes if you don't use EGS
>>750541448idk why they didn't just make more f2p games instead of doing the shitty giveaways with 0 dlc or timed exclusive crap.Instead all their games like rocket league and fallguys were basically released titles that got a huge reception then got taken off steam by epic to be their exclusive. Like in what world is that consumer friendly.
They should really put Wow on Steam so I can finally uninstall Battle.net
Sweeney was 100% right about Steam's AI disclosure rule being a weird political crusade. Valve turns a blind eye to literal asset flips and hentai shovelware every single day, but the moment small indie devs try to use AI tools to level the playing field, Valve flags them so a toxic mob can review-bomb them. Tim is the only exec actually standing up for indie studios.
I love how capitalists pretend everything is hard numbers and things like:>reputation>credibility >stability>customer service>safety >etcDon't exist, you THINK your vibecoded storefront is technically the same as Steam because look all the code and numbers are the same, but your vibecoded storefront doesn't have 20 years of reputation of positive customer experiences that give users a sense of safety regarding their DIGITAL purchases which are easily pulled and undone on every other storefront. Customers also like doing business with a private company that isn't beholden to shareholders, and whose owner seems like a cool guy that loves games instead of a sleazy businessman looking for every opportunity to fuck users over to squeeze out an additional dollar. All of these are things that are much harder to build and obtain than the storefront itself, which Epic knows otherwise they'd be advocating for a splintered free market of storefronts where every game has its own launcher instead of solely trying to draw people over to their own shitty storefront that has absolutely nothing in terms of abstract human value.
>>750542487Cry about it, fag.
>>750536712This is not a meltdown. This is a well-put argument. I'm never going to leave steam or stop pirating games with goldberg, but he is right.
>>750542423I bet it's because he thought the "we vibe coded EGS to launch 0.000005 seconds faster, take that Steam" got immediately BTFO when Steam just dropped a regular update that improved its performance and made it launch faster than EGS.
How come devs ignore GOG in these conversations?
>>750540910>Why are they so obsessed over the 30% number when it's the exact same as Xbox and Sony?It's basically the only thing they have
>>750536712tl;dr
>>750542395If you generate steam keys and sell them for cheaper it is but it's hardly enforced because there are many websites that sell steam keys for cheaper
>>750541605its a most preferred customer clause, where you can't sell elsewhere for cheaper then what's listed on steam. Coke has a deal with macdonald for something similar.
>>750542487Sweeney, please.
>>750536712Any meltdown that starts with bitching about muh 30% cut is automatically disregardedThe 30% cut is industry standard across any gaming platform and Steam offers support and client services for online connectivity and steam hub integration that also services developers while asking no fees unlike other competitors for online services
>>750542487If you think we can't tell when a game uses AI you're fucking retarded
>>750542395Only steam codes, anon
>>750542487Valve turns a blind eye because customers turn a blind eye, customers want an AI tag, customers get an AI tag, wild concept
>>750542232What I don't get is that Epic was always in a good position? Why rush so goddamn much. Literally just take a clue from Valve and move at the right pace and maybe have initiatives align.
>>750542423probably tied to the mass layoffs and declarations of vibecoding their disney extraction shooter mode on fortnite; shit's behind schedule, things aren't working out right, epic isn't making their projected money they were hoping for, and now they've fucked up enough that disney may be eyeballing them for their tremendously increasing incompetence after a $1.5 billion equity stake deal in epic has resulted in jackshit over two years later. epic and tim are in full damage control mode via pointing fingers at "the other guy" to make them look less bad by comparison.
How come this is only a PC issues despite the consoles all doing the same cut?
>>750542423Because Fortnite is floundering, UE's reputation is being a buggy unperformant piece of shit, and people really don't like Tim's AI obsession, so all he has to fall back on by now is screeching that Steam is the bad guy.
>>750542574You say that. But then look at something like Borderlands 4. Was it made with ai, or is it just generic open world slop?
>>750542423Their 2 year long (with renewed focus in 2026) subterfuge campaign didn't work.So they are trying to go public. It won't work, either.Steam, if it can be beat, will have to come organically. No amount of social engineering will work because it is not a single society phenomenon.Fucking hell, it managed to penetrate the japanese market. Fighting game players have been using it for Street Fighter 6 there, something that has been console tidally locked for the last 15 years.
>>750542285Those 3 companies spend millions doing marketing for 3rd party games, you know the trailers and showcases while every dollar spent on Steam goes straight to Gabe's pocket.
>>750536712He's right but also just go without a publisher and release on itch.
>>750542487>Valve turns a blind eye to literal asset flips and hentai shovelware every single dayThose get filtered by the algorithm.
>>750542621They're rushing because they're in it for the money and this quarter like every other soulless capitalist company
>>750542621Because corporate says they have 6M to get X% growth or timmy's getting ball tortured again.
they made portal and portal 2 which grabbed all the normafags and girl gamers so they're just a permanent monopoly okay.... that's just how it is
>>750542523You see anon, you might had a point, but the code and the numbers are not the same, and that's a big point on why people don't go to epic.
The ebin games store doesn't seem to understand that even if Steam goes down no one will switch. People stick with Steam because of the perception of stability. You have reasonable belief that the games you own will still be yours tomorrow. But if Steam just died one day then the contract is broken and every user will suddenly find themselves turning to piracy. The very thing that Steam was created to combat.
>>750542395Steam keys. Which they don't even take a cut off.
>>750541670the only way i'd buy games on a different platform is it there was a large library of f2p games, fortnite's a nice start but not really my type of game epic has like nothing else and they keep doing shit like buying rocket league/fallguys and sabotaging the steam version which just pisses people off.Blizzard's battlenet would've been the only thing I could imagine that could get rolled into a storefront/publisher back when the sc2 arcade was free since there's a huge library of effectively f2p games there to make people install the client.
>>750542631The truth is, nobody gave a shit about the 30% cut until Tim did his whole astroturfed campaign about how evil it supposedly is
>>750541605>Epic exists>GreenManGaming exists>Humble Bundle existsNo. It literally doesn't matter.
>>750541324a lot of them are too far removed from the days of actually having to compete for their customers
>>750542685I was going off of the Epic dev's retarded hypothetical
>>750542548GoG users rage out if you try to sell them a game with always online live service DRM.
>>750542395Then why are EGS exclusives which aren't on Steam still as expensive as regular games?
>>750542548Most of us probably don't play games anymore kek. I get my games from there, but still tied to steam due to library. Would be nice to get a poll on /v/ for it though. I feel like a lot of people are using it quietly.
>>750542684Why can't you just make a good game that enjoys success, timmy? I thought the crux of the argument is that the cut is not going anywhere? Where's unreal? Oh yeah, you cancelled it.
>>750542153epic had the chance to do that instead they abandoned the platform and now are crying that someone else took their space. its like a guy ditching his ex for someone else and coming back 2 decades ago when she's married to a millionaire and screaming about how it's not fair that should be ME!!!
>>750542761As they should. I got into a rather niche genre lately and watching everyone turn a blind eye to online DRM usage has been maddening.
>>750536901I'm convinced it's this prediction turning out untrue that mindbroke Tim.
>>750536712I get it now. He wants Fortnite to reach Steam's userbase but they will never use another platform. He wants all the revenue.Turns out Steam users do not fall to propaganda like Fortnite children do.
>>750541884>antisepticKek. I know you meant antisemitic but that made me laft
>>750536712Roblox has captured the younger generation, steam will lose it's monopoly to them.
Photo of Gabe Newell and Jeffrey Epstein taken in 2017
>>750537284Protip: Unless you're a game developer, it's really not your problem. It's also not going to really change anything because the bitching and moaning won't convince most consumers to abandon one platform for another just so game devs can earn a few more dollars, most of people just don't care. You can mostly blame that on brand recognition, fearmongering, knowing where the fuck most of your friends are, launcher convenience, and/or being too lazy to figure out how to use a whole different launcher client's UI.
Epic is feeling the heat under their ass as Fortnite no longer makes the big bucks.So sad!
>>750542898Steam is actually in the best position to catch kids who graduate from roblox
>>750536712Epic Games is the nice guy.
>1. steam infrastructure is somewhere between "not that hard" and "trivial"Yet epic games store is at least a decade (if not more) behind it.>2. 30% fee for the privilege of using infrastructure services, but in reality it's just for steam's userbase30% fee only for games selling under $10m, the very games where building equivalent infrastructure is not economically feasible. For games above $50m, fee is down to 20%>3. Steam has sales and cards and achievements, oh my!Here's where it's clear he doesn't at all care about making good products for other people. He just wants to complain that the players he feels entitled to choose to give their attention to a better product>4. Not releasing on Steam destroys the business modelAny business model that could work would still work with Steam's 30% fee so this is really a non-issue>5. no avid Steam user wants other stores to succeedThere's really no reason to use other stores given steam's service is better unless you care about DRM or are very price-sensitive. Steam hasn't really fucked up in any major way in the past 3 decades, can't say the same about most other competing stores.The one valid criticism of Steam is that they will disfavor marketing games being sold on Steam at a higher price relative to other stores. This means Sweeney's idea of passing savings on to customers isn't a viable way to bring users over.That being said, if I were at Epic I would try to build an open game client library which can plug in to any store, supplanting a large chunk of the Steam network effect. This would probably be the one good move they can do if they cared about making PC gaming better instead of just fighting over market share.
People use GOGPeople will never use the Epic Game Store for anything other than to collect free games.
>>750542761Then sell the games with no drm as a benefit over the steam version. This is basic shit. You have to give customers an incentive to move away from the thing they are currently using.
I'll gladly pay the 30% because it means my players can super easily host and join eachother's friends in multiplayer using Valve's relay servers and they provide the Steamworks library/dll to easily interface with all that. It's much better than relying on some laggy multiplayer service that wants all your money forever or coding some bare socket shit and telling players to port forward.
>>750542898Pretty sure roblox is losing more and more of it's playerbase atm.
>>750536712to be fair they aren't wrong, steamies are cultists these days
>>750541605It's astounding how this line is still getting parroted to this day, when it's so easily disproven by just going to IsThereAnyDeal during a sale, where you can regularly find storefronts selling games that are on Steam for less than what Steam is selling it for.
Say Steam didn't exist. Valve was still just a game developer. You still had to buy PC games from retail stores in boxes, and install them manually from discs (or just pirate them). Would things be better or worse?
>>750538450If steam didn't take such big cut, the game would be cheaper, because the dev wouldn't have to compensate for the 30% getting ripped off him.
>>750541605>epic lowers their cut to 12% and say that this might mean that devs will lower their prices>devs never lower their prices in response to the cut so it doesnt make any difference to the consumer at allkh series on pc was epic exclusive for 3 years before it came to steam, was it cheaper because it was on epic? fuck no
>>750543008What is the benefit to *****ME***** as a customer to use something that isnt steam? I dont give a fuck about valve and I think all of their games are shit including half life. I care about what is the least amount of effort for me.
>>750543040worse. physical with ondisc drm is a bigger pain in the ass than digital with steam's shitty drm
It can’t be healthy for Timmy to be seething all the time solely and exclusively v cause someone else achieved and earned everything he wanted. It has nothing to do with putting devs and consumers first. He just wants valve’s success and reputation. But literally everyone in the planet views him as a fourth rate autistic weirdo
>>750542898Roblox is dying anon get real. Though it is funny that it can claim that one of its games had 25 million concurrent players at one point.
>>750536712This guy sounds like a kike.
>>750536712>another AI generated post timmy and his dogshit company needs to fuck off already
>>750536712>Huge emphasis on the 30%So does epic games sell its equivalent titles for less?
>>750543040I bought Starcraft and Diablo 2 on discs and I still used a nocd crack and an iso
Gabe please send me a million steam dollars.
Steam = MicrosoftGOG = LinuxEpic = Apple
>>750543119There's way too many unnatended kids using the internet while they shouldn't.
>>750542361Honestly all that timed exclu shit with squeenix a few years back had me not downloading epic games out of spite
>>750541605Yes but most of them didn't lower the price when they were exclusive outside of Steam
>>750543227steam = linuxgog = windows xpepic = android
>>750542898The Roblox kids graduate to Steam and play the latest friendslop. Meanwhile Roblox is eating Fortnite's lunch and is one of the reasons it's been on the decline the past several years.
>>750536712i would pay 30% more for video games just to keep insufferable faggots like this away from my video games
>>750537135Surely.
>>750543016It gets even funnier when you realize they didn't need to do that at all. And that they don't make a single cent with keys.
I'd have an issue with the 30% figure if that wasn't universalEpic is complaining about an issue that's decades old. You can want to change it, but don't point at your competitors saying they're evil for following a market trend, point at the market trend. On top of that, the entire conversation from Epic is just crying because they can't get their PC market up no matter how hard they try. The tactic of saying "we Will only take 10%, please" represents a dream of taking 10% of a huge part of the PC market which is still billions of dollars. Some activist that's trying to start a movement that, if it succeeds, nets them a billion dollars makes no one trust the activist even if they're right.
>>750538797> but 20% Damn and some games still skip out on xbox kek
By not installing EPIC you are killing these people. You are taking food out of their mouths. EPIC is dying and the blood is on your penis.
>>750536712I will never buy games from the company that developed the cancer that is Fortnite. Timmy is a net negative to gaming.
>i pay 70 dollars for a new video game, steam gets a 30% cut>i pay 70 dollars for a new video game, ebin gets a 12% cutawesome, amazing fucking difference for the consumer.
>>750536712>it's another "the devs and publishers are the customers and the consumer is the product" episodeYeah, no thanks. Go die in a fire.
The tides of Tim being happy makes me irrationally unhappy. I’d much rather there always be a reality where Gabe is getting more money and buying more yachts and o am not joking
>>750537135SURELY!
>>750543479
>>750543491you lack empathy to be a decent human beanbe a better man
>>750539997Oh sure, just like how selling games digitally made them cheaper because they didn't have to produce discs and packaging
>>750536712Pure bullshit.If another platform comes around with better deals and is at least as competent as Steam is I will jump ship in a second.Epic Games is not that.
he could just fling a few rubels to those guys and then it's steam bye bye
>>750543536timmy should be a better man by reducing the price of all games that get sold on his store
>>750543491If Epic titles were $60 and Steam $70. I'd still be buying from Steam.
Yeah I'm just going to buy games on steam. Epic had me for a bit with KH3 then as soon as it came to steam I bought it again and uninstalled that trash. It's not a meme that their launcher is aids.It's really that bad
>>750539683>Proton is a jokeProton is single-handedly turning people away from Windows and towards Linux>Steam input has been broken for over a decadeWorks on my machine>SteamVR has felt like pre-alpha shitware for a decade tooThat's VR in a nutshell. It's a cool environment, but getting a good experience is expensive and nobody's making games for it.Can't speak as to their gamepads, but Valve and Gabe also sink money into other avenues of research like the brain chip which afford paraplegics more freedom in how they live theire life, or that ocean research vessel.Not sure why Steam makes some people mald so fucking hard, they're the most lesser of lesser evils out there as profit-oriented companies go.
>>750543569>We're better for the industry!Tim said, Without offering a better or cheaper alternativeWhat the fuck is his endgame
and after 8 fucking years they have none of the extra features steam has. no workshop equivalent, no forums, no market place
>>750539451I've tried to buy stuff outside of Steam but more than once I've been fucked because of it.I bought Lisa the Painful on Itch, and eventually when the remaster of Lisa got released only people who bought it on Steam got the upgrade.I bought Buckshot Roulette on Itch, when he added multiplayer he refused to give it to people on Itch or generate Steam codes for Itch purchasers so he could force everybody to buy it again on Steam.I'm not dumb enough to put this on Valve, it's the devs who decided to be cunts about it. End result has just shown me if I want to buy, I'm less likely to get screwed down the line if its on Steam. Timmy's position doesn't hold any water because after all this time Epic's store is complete shit. I want more money to go into the dev's hands and any time they sell their game off their own website (Factorio, Starsector, Tales of Maj'Eyal, etc) I go out of my way to do so but a lot of the time people aren't confident enough in their product to sell it themselves I guess.
>>750536712Yeah... They really don't do much, and yet every single company that made a launcher (with the exception of GOG) has fucked it up MASSIVELY by repeatedly removing access to the digital purchase after a while.Pretty wild that no one can just make a simple store front other than steam that also functions as a chat client that doesn't eventually try and revoke access to your games....You think Epic would go ahead and make a competitive store front and client.... Yet here we are.
>>750536712Maybe he should try working for someone who isn't regarded as a sketchy merchant.
why are epicjeets so convinced that their barebones 12% cut model can actually survive in the wild and act indignant about steam not obeying their retarded decrees?that store makes no fucking money, people don't buy games there, it's subsidised entirely by fortnite
>>750543662imagine how dogshit their vibeslopped forums and workshop would be
>>750543235>UnAteEnDeD KiDs!!!!!!So were we back in the day before helecopter parents started invading every single thing their property oops I mean kids do. It's called freedom. If my parents had put spyware on my computer I would have been mega pissed. Had to show my little bro how to clear internet history, because my mom saw porn in the history, even that was kinda upsetting to me because he should be able to do whatever the fuck he wants in private.
>>750540182They won because they were there first, not because they're particularly good or care about developers in any stretch. Caring about developers is caring about costumers, the other way around just farms resentful and spiteful trash that think paying money to you makes you their slave. Costumers ask for more, developers can't keep up, Steam keeps taking your money = exhaust
>>750536712Epic and GoG clients do not run on Linux. Steam also has compatibility for older games.
>>750543040Some retards that can't have left their dad's nutsack before 2010 seem to think we'd have an UTOPIA of drm-free physical games, but the truth is we'd have a clown show of competing and increasingly intrusive drm solutions. Not to mention some other entity would make the first big digital distribution service, likely a huge publisher. IMAGINE if fucking EA held the keys to The Place To Go for pc games.
>>750543687because smaller number good versus bigger number baddespite the fact that every time you see the "BUT THE DEVS" argument, that shit only matters for truly small time indie devs running out of their own pocket; the vast majority of consumers don't even realize it's the publishers that get all proceeds, most devs just work their contracted time and fees and never see anything but a potential greenlight for more work for their success.
>>750543461we also know epic are massive hypocrites that would do a 180 if they ever got to be relevant like steam.
>>750543721>muh first mover advantageblockbustersears
>>750543726At least GOG is working on a native Linux launcher
>>750543040If Steam didn't exist something exactly like Steam would've taken it's place. There isn't a world where Steam doesn't exist.
>>750543479stop giving me reasons to not install it....
>>750543040Worse. It really is just the different between shopping online and going to multiple places to see if they have that one game you want.
>>750543806they would be much worse, we are talking about a company that don't user to review games on their platform
>>750542423I honestly think it's a desperate attempt to get a response, any kind of response from Valve at this pointTim desperately wants to be acknowledged as competition, but Valve still plays the game like he isn't even there, and functionally, he might as well not beAnd that makes Tim absolutely seethe
>>750543726Being worked on dough. But yeah, the fact that Epic still hasn't had one at parity with windows...It's literally like they don't want to compete or they have some kind of internal problem.
>>750543707Nah the old adage holds true. Until you’re legally an adult your parents are the boss of you and have complete superiority over all facets of your life
>>750536712I don't like Steam for banning my nipponese games. But I can get boxed copies for a lot of them thankfully. This guy acts like there's any advantage to using Epic Game Store. They don't even have exclusives other than like Fortnite. They just lost Barotrauma too. Looking forward to playing more of that with friends when the DLC lands.
>>750543040Worse. I always hated discs and just downloaded no-cd cracks for every game I owned.
>>750538907>Furthermorewhy does every reply have to be an essay?
>>750543875they don't allow user reviews? ew epic's like the failed reddit equivalent of steam, only echochambers and "good" politics allowed
>>750536712one of the reasons every other store fails is that they don't understand culture, steam has culture, look at this pic of the 2 different Halloween sales, EGS is just some text with no flair, Valve actually put effort into it, they try and make a sale fun and exciting
>>750543040We'd be into the 50th iteration of denuvo by now, the performance hit would be dozens of times worse, it'd be more aggressive with "activations" (any change in your hardware at all), plus probably demand some PCIe hardware to validate it and also datamine your entire block every 100 seconds. Half of this stuff was already happening in the 2000s with DRM on discs.
>>750543952To let you know he's been seething for minutes and only added that response afterwards.
>>750542026Reviews are useful too.
Why is literally every game garbage? What happened?
>>750543971I was going to take a print to show it but yeah
>>750537803Ths post right here is everything wrong with the current game climate. Armies of people who have chosen 'the good guy' and fuck anyone else delivering a legitimate point they're just screeching with a wall of text. So many ignorant people in game communities defending their para social relationships with who they determine are populist 'good guys'. You people are fucking EVERYONE over. And you're so fucking stupid you honestly put out images portraying strawmen of your opposition with wojaks. Not the tiniest bit of self reflection. This is generally a rot problem at the core of how gaming cultures create narratives and steam's parasocial cult influence is the biggest living example of that right now.
>>750543920>They don't even have exclusives other than like FortniteWell when they were nabbing exclusives it didn't really work out in the end
It's retarded to whine about Steam's cut but he is right about the cultist nature of the userbase, and it is ridiculous to witness. But they earn their money and are still the best option, so I guess I'll worry about it more once Gaben dies and the company goes to shit but people continue defending them and pretending they're flawless.
>>750544001>epic constantly tries to tout sales and free games to get people to come over>no one remembers what they even have in their libraries>steam has one artist make a pink-haired delivery girl for a couple seasonal events>people keep begging for it to come back or get some continuation since there's expectations of unique art every year for each seasonal / eventful sale
>>750540235It's funny because this image also proves that OP's image is extremely disingenuous: >Steam takes a reduced cut if the company/studio sells a lot>b-but the rich keeps getting richerAnd that's why you can't ever win lol.
>>750536712tim and his mooks are so full of shit. i own plenty of games on GOG. i was even buying on fucking uplay for a while before they made it so the rewards you got expired. i'm more than happy to support stores that bring actual value. i have games on fucking dlsite and mangagamer and jast because i'm a gooner. and ofc i own plenty of steam games too, i do actually like steam.you know which service i've never bought a game on? epic fucking games store. you know why? because there's no reason to. every single thing about it is worse than steam. they can cry and bitch all they want but at the end of the day, unlike GOG, they offer no actual benefit over using steam.tim can go shove a rod of molten lead up his ass. he's such a disingenuous lying fuck, every single thing he says is just pure bullshit.
>>750536712That's nice but EGS is a shit platform>steam is trivial to replicatethen do it
didn't Tim go full AI and it backfired and all he got is more hate? lmao
>>750544064you're literally mad at steam and siding with the guy who said pc gaming is dead we're being console exclusives because steam has open forums...like at least try to not be a bigoted shill.
>>750544128>people continue defending them and pretending they're flawless.stereotyping from the wokie crowd. meanwhile if you go on resetera they'll ban you for hate speech for rating last of us 2 a 7/10
>>750544290Tim went full AI and ended up with a broken storefront and launcher that didn't launch the right games
>>750544064Some of the points could be viewed as "valid", but the entire thing is disingenuous because EPIC would be infinitely worse than valve. Why? Because they are a publically traded company.
>>750544001I bet a dollar the EGS banner is AI generated.
>>750536712There's plenty of games that still release on other platforms. What's that minecraft clone game that released into early access on it's own website? How many people will buy GTA6 on rockstar platform? How many people will play wow forever on battle.net? That's just a blatant lie. Developers use steam for convenience. > a black holethis nigger is sucking up to wall street jews - "we can't take your money to fund DEI studios" basicallythese niggers are trying their hardest to get steam regulated for monopoly. Do they complain about microsoft Windows' 95% market footprint on OS? I mean, who's trying to compete with that monopoly.... oh wait... SteamOS is trying.
>>750542195>easy to send your data to Tencent and the CCP, I guessRiot's malware client already does that
