>>750568040
I never had any interest in the japanese language.
I had interests in genociding localizers, and LLMs are doing just that.

>>750568040
Take your shirt off or I’ll have Claude take it off for you.

>>750568040
I intend to migrate to japan this year as a student.

>>750568040
I learned JP years before AI was even remotely good at translating. Even then I had people tell me; "You'll just waste your time bro, when you get good enough AI will already be translating everything bro".
Guess what, it didn't fucking happen.

I don't even know English!

>>750568040
make your language easier to learn if you want people to care, you fucking stupid cunt

What would I even play? A couple Konami games?

>>750568236
>Guess what, it didn't fucking happen.
Except it literally did happen and you did waste your time.

>>750568195
Whats the point of that if she is covered by the book and its not a full body shot anyway

>>750568040
I'm glad I learned Japanese. It's a great feeling not having to rely on cucklations and being able to interact with Japanese media the right way.

>>750568236
Nigga we are literally seeing tons of games being translated and quickly fixed. And trannylators are at least trying to finish things faster instead of letting years pass for donations

but you told me i can't do it...

I'm already too deep to quit but translating stuff by hand has started to feel like fools work
I could turn days of hard work into mere hours if I just swallowed my pride and proofread what AI churns out
It has made TL work feel cheap and meaningless, like anyone could do it. Well, I guess the one thing I have over the average guy is that I can actually proofread while they must trust the machine blindly
I see games like MGQ paradox take years upon years to be translated due to its gargantuan size and it's making me think what's the point, the end result is not going to be so different from what MTL can already do

>>750568528
>proofreading machine translated output
Professional translators have been doing that for years, obviously sometimes you have to correct things due to wrong context or whatever but it's been a meme tier profession since like a decade or more

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>>750568040
I'm already doing it. Enjoying the process.
Yesterday I started Higurashi since I wanted something spooky to fit the season

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AI makes it insanely easy to learn any language now, it's quite literally the best teacher at any practical question you can ask.

>>750568676
They haven't. Language isn't code, if you know the language on a near native level, it requires zero effort for you to translate something from it. It's unironically easier to translate without any assists if you're a professional. HOWEVER the cost of translation still went down to nothing because of google translate, wages went down too and it did become a meme career. Even thought it didn't get any easier. Absolutely cursed skill to have

japanese is way too easy on the eyes and ears to not learn

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>YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO LEARN JAPANESE YOU BETRAYED ME FOR PAJEET
b4k is funny
why haven't we had new word filters for a decade now

>>750568824
>Grok, why is [insert something in JAP that makes no sense]
>ummm because that's an exemption to the rule you'll just have to remember that
Repeat 9000 times and you have Japanese language. Thanks for the help, Grok

I learned Japanese because I wanted to, not because it's useful.

>>750568856
>easy on the eyes
>literal thousands of boxes full of random lines

>>750568965
maybe it's shit to learn but they do look pretty especially in games
all eng translated shit might as well be in comic sans it always looks lame by comparison

>>750568856
Agreed, it's a beautiful language. Elegant, expressive. Efficient in its compactness, even.

>>750568929
If you have no use for the language, you'll forget it right away, assuming you even learn it at all, having such flimsy motivation. Surely you have a use for it, even if it is just personal satisfaction.

Oh JOPpies

>>750568350
>>750568483
Reading comprehension you idiots. I've been using JP for years already, long before AI got good enough, that's my point.

>>750568236
retards will say they were right about AI meanwhile they will read literal slop of translations that convey non of the original intent
a decade of anime is all you need to notice how fucking garbage translations still are

>>750569019
>inb4 anon realizes that kanji is literally Chinese and changes his opinion on how pretty they are

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I still am, Dekinai-chan. Not because I believe AI bad but because I genuinely enjoy it. I would rather read one thing careful than binge 5.

>>750568824
If only it didn't get shit wrong half the time

>>750568040
Why does the book have tranny colors?

I'm actually glad I learned before the AI shit got good. Now the people that didn't start yet have so many copes not to start and just take the blue pill, it's so fucking hard to start anything these days because of AI. Glad my hobbies formed way before.

>>750568486
You need to talk to more women.

>>750568920
nigga that's all languages

>>750569170
I don't have a problem with 2000 year old chink hieroglyphs and the japs improved them with kana

>>750568824
>ai is the greatest teacher ever
>ai is also the best translator ever and makes learning pointless
monkey paw'd

>>750569326
Japan adds a unique twist of adding RND to how words are written. You have to memorize every single writing along with every single reading, there are no rules really, only suggestions

>>750569369
not pointless when it saves you time to whip out a device to translate, speaking yourself is also more desirable

>>750569326
Nah Japanese is fucked due to its isolated evolution, most European languages share the same logic of expression and are easily learned if you're European etc, meanwhile Japanese uses its own circus logic that doesn't make sense unless you're born into it

>>750568920
that's just slang, at the AI still teaches you the meaning

>>750569089
I play games and watch shows in Japanese all the time. There's almost always an English version available, but being able to practice a foreign language makes it feel less like a waste of time.

>>750569423
Gotcha, I mean got you (understand you), I'll keep that in mind, jot down a memo (remember that).
Languages aren't special, everyone is kind of lazy in every language and has 10 ways to express any given thought.

>>750568851
>translating a whole script with AI is harder than doing it by hand
What is this translator nonsense?

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>>750568040
458 days of duolingo here, I'm slowly getting there

I do flashcards and duolingo, but it's hard

If I had $200k and time I'd go back to college

>>750569285
Like what?

>>750568040
I have learned Japanese, but I won't blame anyone for relying on AI instead.
While still far from perfect, MTL has gotten extremely good.
For anything your life does not depend on, it's more than just fine.

>>750569365
Kana is horrible. Japs took a perfectly reasonable logical system of kanji, realized it doesn't fit their verbal language very well and just added a bunch of random kana to it here and there as a crutch and used kanji as a mere suggestion of meaning rather than something you can actually reliably read. So everything got fucked because they didn't want to commit to either system, now every kanji has 2-4 readings depending on context. What the fuck
>inb4 ummm actually there are rules to what readings you use
Everything is an exemption, there are no rules, the whole language is vibecoded

>>750569542
He said a decade or more, we didn't have LLMs back then, we just had google translate. Yeah it's easier to do it from scratch than deal with that nonsense

>>750569713
You are a massive retard for saying kanji are a "perfectly reasonable logical system".

>2-4 readings depending on context
Go check out Mandarin, a version of japanese with only Kanji and no kana. There's about 50 interpretations for every character.

just completed kaishi 1.5k yesterday. I expected a kino writing moment for the final card like the 開始 card but there was nothing. should've put the 開始 card at the end, that would've been pretty good

where do i go from here?
>inb4 mine
can you mine on iphone? because all my anki studies were done on the commute to work each morning on my phone, so i don't think mining is an option for me. I need some advice on this

>>750568442
The book hiding her boobs is part of the appeal.

>>750569713
>Everything is an exemption, there are no rules
I hate to break it to you, but this describes every natural language.

>>750569540
Saskishockster. Note how you could read that out loud even though you don't know what it means? Well in Japanese you fucking can't. So no, it's not the same. You need to memorize writings of words in Japanese because you can't even fucking read them if you don't

>>750569790
>There's about 50 interpretations for every character
Let me guess, 49 of them are regional dialects?

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>Irlen syndrome
>worst economy crisis in the history of my country
>harrased by freemasons
>practically all alone all my life
>image guides all pixelexted
>nihon typography font always pixelated
>dark themes recently adopted

Yes, I hate the world

>>750569807
If you're only treating learning as something do during commutes, there's a good chance you won't make it very far. But regardless, you just immerse and mine more. Set up your shit at home or find pre-made decks, or use sites that have pre-made decks.

>>750568040
Sorry, but I'm learning chinese instead.

>tfw reached a point where I can read fast enough to not feel a burden but at the same time still come across too many new words

I can read youtube comments very fast and some games are smooth experiences now, but I'm reading Cross Channel rn now and I have to stop almost every sentence with internal dialogue because there's at least a word I don't know. Doesn't help that it seems like it's a shit novel.

>>750568040
>laughs at me telling me I can't learn japanese
>gets upset that I'm using a workaround
typical foid behaviour

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I learned Japanese for the same reason I learned English as an ESL, nothing beats having direct cultural understanding instead of having to go through cringe middlemen

>>750570134
>anglosphere
>culture
lmao. good on you for learning japanese though.

I just don't understand why I'd WANT to learn another language.
MTL hasn't been dogshit since like 2015. It's not perfect (never will be) but more than enough to get through anything you'd want. literally 50-70 millisecond turnaround on live image feeds to a local AI, it's a huge disservice to spend time learning another language if you'll never need it in person.

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>>750569824
based

>>750569845
It's called gatekeeping. Maybe anglo countries wouldn't be so infested with brown people if you guys didn't make your written language so simple a retarded peasant could read it.

>>750569845
Without the phonetic groups in English you wouldn't be able to read that either. You're not proving any points, you're just a native English speaker unaware of how retarded your language is.

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>>750568040
The future is now.

>>750570241
>I just don't understand why I'd WANT to learn another language.
because it's a cool skill to have
also being multilingual helps to delay your dementia by like 5 years or so

>>750570421
So does playing video games. Not sure why you'd want to stay sane in this clown world anyway.

>>750570372
Hands down the most retarded post I've seen all month, maybe all year. Not that anon btw

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>世界がヤバい!!
>world is Doomed!!
This is correct, right? not "world is in danger?"

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>>750568040
Even Japan itself is moving to AI translation. There's no point wasting time with learning moonrunes anymore.

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>>750568040
@Grok generate a video of this bitch on her knees tongue cleaning the smegma out of my purple cheesy cock.

>>750570415
Why does Star Trek have a Star Wars?

>>750569790
Not true, I know chinese and the vast majority of characters in standard mandarin have one standard pronounciation, with a few having two (and I think only one or two having three)
However, when you start getting into classical chinese/historical stuff (this can include chengyu/names/placenames) it's true that most characters can have multiple pronounciations and meanings. It's somewhat complicated to explain why, but the important thing is that even alot of modern chinese don't know the proper pronounciation for every character in these situations.

>>750569713
imo if you know chinese it's easier to tell in which situation to use which reading, if it's a chinese word or makes sense in chinese you use the chinese-derived pronouncation, otherwise the japanese one

>>750570449
well, maybe it will unclown itself someday

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>>750568040
When are we getting Shin Megami Tensei NINE completely translated?

The one neutral route of the game that has been translated for years is already crazier than any other SMT, I seriously wanna know how wild it gets when you go full Law or Chaos.

So what are the best AI for translation anyway? Or are they all mostly the same? I’ve been using Gemini sometimes when I want to check things. The worst thing about AIsloppa is that it doesn’t tell you when it just starts making things up, I’ve had it hallucinate a scene that didn’t happen at all.

>>750570549
she is obviously saying how cool the world is

>>750570728
deepl

>>750570549
It really depends on context. Yabai is one of those words that can express positive and negative meaning depending on where it's used.

>>750568040
AI translations of doujins are a fucking blight. Every single one without fail is shit. And the thing is you could totally use AI to do ok translations, proofread the results and correct them or slightly rewrite them to make them sound less awkward, and typeset shit yourself while just using AI to clean up the image first. Boom, instant massive improvement. But AIfags DESPISE the slightest modicum of effort and so I have never ever seen a single example of someone doing this.

>>750570549
It can be a trillion things, from extremely good to extremely bad.

>>750568040
>DUDE IS THAT 4CHAN CULTURE???
>NO, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AI RIGHHT NOW
BUY
A
FUCKING
AD

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>>750570774
>deepl
So much for the world's most accurate translation
I just use it alongside real traditional translators just to waste their bandwidth.

>>750570782
5 years ago deepTL or whatever the fuck they were using to TL shit was all the rage back then and people convinced themselves that it spits out coherent dialog.

>5 years later
>AI TL still hasn't got any better
now that shit is everywhere and I hate it.

>tfw it took me 1 year to finish JLPT N5

At this rate it will take me 5-7 years to reach a good place in the language.

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I've been playing AI translated hentai games for a while now and it's passible.

>>750571017
>JLPT
to vvhat end?

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>EOPs believe you can properly translate a language
I almost feel bad for you, subhumans.

>>750570776
so it's like "fuck"? alright.

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>>750568040
>I don't need to learn moon AI will translate everything for me!
>"ERMMM excuse me that's a heckin' problematic page I'm afraid my code doesn't allow me to do that one for you mmk?"

>>750571018

Pervert.

>>750569845
Now try colonel lieutenant leopard debt wednesday indict aisle comfortable hyperbole without knowing them in advance

>>750571041
I just use it to structure my learning, JLPT levels are used on most Japanese videos in youtube.

>>750570701
There is actually one translating it using ai

>>750571112
>AI is the future, it can do anything!
>like realistic pornographic depictions of underage girls?
>"I'm sorry Anon. I'm afraid I can't do that."
Truly the shit future that AI cattle deserves.

AI translation is most effective when done by the actual author. The author does not need to know the target language, but the AI does need to know about the characters, their traits, what's a pun, what information should be hidden (like when an unseen character's gender should be specified vs hidden for a classic "it's a girl!?" reveal), etc.
Of course, this requires involvement from the author.

>>750571218
You should structure your learning around stuff you actually want to read, not tests.

>>750571218
Well, don't. At least don't do that for vocab. The kanji divisions by level are bull.

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>>750571238
not my problem
t. mother-in-law NTR chad

>>750570782
The average AIfag is a third worlder who can barely write a coherent sentence in English, let alone make English sound natural.

>>750571374
You will remain forever unenlightened
t. lolibaba mother-in-law NTR GigaChad

>>750571083
I just need 90-95%ish understanding, I don't care about missing a shitty pun that only people from 川村山森丘市, 岩手県 would laugh at.

>>750571407
This is the actual fucking problem. AI shit could actually be useful. But the vast majority of people using it are fucking subhuman

>>750571374
>not my problem
Yet.

>>750571374
Christcucks will block you too.

>>750571112
Still better than trannylators pushing their agenda.

based french named AI dabbing on japanese whore lmao get fucked bitch ass nigga no cap

https://youtu.be/ziliNlhc39s?si=4kM2fzR9T08Nd-P7

That great feeling when you understand 95% of the video.

>>750571229
one what?

>>750568040
AI TL Replaced this bitch's self important moralizing to learn Japanese.
You can easily AI TL any jap games now in a matter of seconds.
Trannylators malding because they wasted time learning a dying language that can easily be translated by AI.

>>750571624
Sometimes I wonder how does it feel to never have a single original thought.

>>750570701
brother
https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7847/

it's crazy how stupid people in the jap learning threads are and yet so many of you are still willing to participate with such fervor which by extension probably means you're at least as stupid yourself. it's not looking good for you

>>750568040
You mean betrayed you for Google Translate? What difference would Claude make?

>>750568040
>YOU BETRAYED ME FOR CLAUDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvkVlywIjIE
Me

>>750571513
Holy COPE

>>750571624
>>750571718
Not paying for your slop lol

>>750568316
How can you not learn japanese? is easy af. You are retard

>>750570552
>japanese boomers had a terrible idea
I'm 100% positive they used a fax to send the instructions.

What is your current level in Japanese and how long have you been studying?

>>750568040
you still need to learn japanese to actually talk to people or consume japanese media.
needing to constantly pause the anime or having someone wait for you to whip out your phone to use AI to translate is tedious.
maybe there'll be a time where you can implant some chip in your brain to translate in real-time, but even then people will probably not respect you for relying on AI to talk with them rather than putting the effort in to learn their language.
AI can be beneficial for learning, but using it as a shortcut is a crux that will ultimately result in failure.

>>750569134
I bet your japanese sucks and you can’t even communicate with native japanese correctly.

>>750571938
Without a doubt. No one who actually knows japanese refers to it as "JP."

>>750571897
Enough to read all I wanna read acceptably with some OCR help. I don't know what each N entails nor I care. 4 years and a bit, but it's just one of several things I do.

>>750571897
>What is your current level in Japanese
I can read kana, and the kanji used in porn. Grammar is easy either way.
>how long have you been studying?
Over 9000 hours, give or take.

Am playing Shenmue on flycast in Japanese and i gotta say i'm having so much fun, you can change the language to kodomo mode which makes everything written in the notebook in Hiragana only.

The game is really easy to understand, i don't get why it doesn't get mentioned in the Japanese language learning communities.

>>750571624
>You can easily AI TL any jap games now in a matter of seconds.
Last time I tried that, Claude refused due to copyright reasons. I had to send it very small chunks of text, otherwise it'd sperg out. Far from ideal.

>>750571897
Four months, been reading Harry Potter and watching Naruto, I can understand a lot now

>>750572052
Is the voice acting as stilted as the en version?

>>750572125
Liar, you can't understand much in 4 months.

>>750572076
Not trying to be combative but that's unironicallly a promptlet issue

I dont like Katakana.

i just take photo of kanji and have gronk translate it for me, fuck your gay language

Japanese is just a lesser language compared to English. If it weren't, nu-Japanese wouldn't be half English but with that ugly accent of theirs.

>>750569713
Japanese was a language long before any writing system got involved.
When the Chinese characters made it across the sea, the Japanese used those characters to write down their own language.
While they also gained words from Chinese at the time, they forced new readings onto them to make them fit their own language.

>>750572213
You're right, I actually started in the summer of last year, bu due to a man exhausting career change I wasn't consistent and only did an hour a day at most. So in practical terms I do have more time but I didn't properly start until this summer.
However I dispute that because there are people who do six hours a day for months and get to a level that would take someone else a year in like six months.

>>750572250
If you're so smart show proof of claude translating an entire game

>>750572319
An anon literally had it translate Bomberman Land 2 like a day or 2 ago, there was even a thread a little while ago.

>>750572125
I'm very interested in both of these, how hard are they?

>>750572319
You have a lot of old games being translated recently

>>750571083
I speak three languages. Of course you can.

>>750572319
Someone translated doraemon games in 2 days. SRW is being clauded hard translating a lot of games and even adding qol
Original Metal Max 2 was finally translated
One faggot translated some weird psp game
And more cases

>>750572461
>SRW is being clauded hard translating a lot of games and even adding qol
Oh my god I just realized, please tell me someone is bringing Moon Dwellers to PC

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>>750571687
>https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7847/
Holy shit, that was fast. What a good OG Xbox emulator. I'm about to go buck wild on this shit.

It's not about the translation, there is a joy in playing a game in Japanese and understanding it.

>>750568824
if only AI also doesn't make people so lazy even breathing feels like chore to them. Seriously how the fuck some people would rather just exist and never do anything at all.

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>>750572773
Probably either had their brains fried by countless tiktok videos or wageslaved their souls away.

>>750572684
i use xemu

>>750568040
For Claude? What a faggot.

>>750572919
Nah, it's just the overabundance of things to do. When you can do anything you do nothing, or at most you lock in into a few simple things. Like people who download entire romsets then never actually use them because having 3000 roms appear on screen at once is (understandingly) overwhelming.
Not saying that short form content and waging doesn't have an effect tho. There are times you just want to drop in bed and idle doing nothing.

>>750571112
What in tarnation is going on with that JP typography, I was sitting there trying to read it vertically and it felt like I was having a stroke

>>750572409
Naruto is very standard, idk why everyone claimed it was so difficult, and I watch everything raw with no subtitles as a personal policy as well
If you are a beginner the thing to watch out for is a lot of dropped words and particles, kakashi in particular does this sometimes and you will double take

>>750573087
I hope it's just to fuck with people who atcually read porn lmao.

>>750568040
But you kept being mean to me...

>>750569824
This

B-but anons told me that LLM translation wasn't very good or accurate? Is it superior and more accurate now compared to just learning the language?

Hell, we've always had translation apps on our phones. I just think it's a bit awkward and weird to walk around Japan holding my phone up to anyone I'm talking with so it can translate my speech and then translate their speech. To me it would still feel cooler to actually learn the language and be able to speak it, read it, and write it. That shows more skill/talent and dedication to something.

>>750569326
>learn jap alphabet
>Practically useless since most words use fucking kanjis
Why are they like this?

So can i rely on Claude to give me Japanese lessons without any mistakes?

>>750569558
You've actually been studying Japanese every day on Duolingo for 458 days? What would you say your mastery/level is at this point? Like how confident are you in speaking and reading the language? Are you N4 at least? N3? I don't actually know how proficient Duolingo will make you, figured it won't take you all the way to N1 level.

What is the best and easiest way to learn Kanji if i don't like WaniKani or Anki cards?

>>750573391
Wasn't duolingo a confirmed scam?

>>750573412
Either actually moving to Japan or Anki cards, whether you like them or not. The only way to learn vocab is by repetition and/or usage and for 90% of actually used kanji hoping to see them in the wild enough is not viable either.
>tldr: stop being a pussy and do you're reps faggot.

>>750569558
Duolingo is pretty shit at this. It favors instant gratification. I tried it and really didn't see the point. I don't mind gamification but it forces my brain to take shortcuts to "win", and shortcuts don't lead to information retention.
>inb4 just don't do that
If you're not wired to take the path of least resistance, you're ngmi.

>>750569824
this nigga gets it

>>750569713
Kanji and kana are very helpful for beginners to Asian languages, they're just an early filter. I'm intermediate and reading kana only text slows me down considerably. If you split reading and listening equally from the start like 90% of learners do, your brain is hardwired to primarily associate kanji with the meaning when reading. If you are a native you do not have this as you learn by listening and speaking for a couple of years before you learn to read and write.
>>750573391
>>750573481
>>750573591
Duolingo is designed to keep you from progressing, the same as every single paid language service. It also teaches you absolutely nothing about the real language apart from the absolute basics. Duolingo anon, I hope you also immerse a lot, but either way please move to Anki instead and you will notice your gains skyrocket.

>>750570205
Fish don't know they're in water

For those of you who claim to know Japanese, do you know how to handwrite? Could you write on paper without looking up the kanji you're thinking of?

>>750573412
RTK and Kanji Koohii

>>750573761
I still don't understand how kana walls get past editors. Like OK I know it's a baka gaijin (me) thing but there is still just something wrong with them in principle.

>>750573870
No lmao why would I bother with that I just wanna read. I am not even sure I could fill a katakana chart by hand. It's just not what I set up to do when I began.

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>>750573870
の...

>>750573832
How do you know? Are you a fish? Have you spoken to any and heard their perspective?

>>750573870
Yes, I did RTK first and my vocab deck had both recall and recognition cards, it's actually quite simple when you get into the radicals and patterns, the hardest part is remembering e.g. which gi is being used in 義務 (義 議 儀) etc than drawing the kanji itself, sometimes they make sense based on the kanji meaning but a lot of the time it feels random

>>750573870
Japanese people can't do it either.

>>750574247
Is RTK a good resource for learning radicals? I got pretty good vocab but I still don't remember or recognize all the radicals

>>750568040
But I did learn Japanese. I even got a Japanese wife out of it.

>>750568040
ATTENTION ANKIDRONES

Struggling with motivation for your reps? Want the best results in the least amount of time spent per day? Here are the settings for your main mining deck:

>New cards/day: 10
>Maximum reviews/day: 10
>Learning steps: 10m
>New/review order: Show before reviews
>FSRS: On

You should not be spending more than 30 minutes on Anki.

>inb4 "oh muh srs, i need to have the max review limit at 9999 and review hundreds of cards everyday otherwise ill forget them"
FSRS is smart and takes the time spent with each due card going unreviewed into account, just relax and enjoy the smaller Anki workload every day. Also even if that weren't the case, until you reach fluency, extra time immersing is x100 more valuable than spending more time reviewing cards. This is why Anki tryhards are usually failing to make significant language progress, they spend most of their allotted Japanese time doing reviews instead of immersing.

>>750574413
I personally didn't like the radical names it used and preferred to find the real meanings online even if it took some searching, the important part of RTK is the order it introduces radicals in and the mnemonic logic you use to remember them (I also thought the mnemonics RTK used were iffy and made my own)

It goes from the simplest kanji and builds up to the complex ones so when you get to them you can just remember them as combinations of the simple kanji and radicals you already know

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>>750568040
I learnt japanese and now modern japanese media is fully and utterly pozzed, even the fucking niche media like eroge since they want stea money

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>>750568195
>>750569824
Still waiting for it.

>>750573870
You aren't going to make it without writing practice.
As for the question I can't write every kanji I can read from memory but I am confident I can write most common a few hundred from memory correctly.

>>750574541
I do 800 reviews in 25 minutes every day, literally skill issue

>>750574628
Luckily anon you can just engage with older media.
Nothing obligates you to engage with the "current thing".

>>750574541
I did 50 new a day and it was fucking brutal but i also read for 2 hours a day so it worked out.
Requires some goddamn dedication though.

>>750571938
Swing and a miss considering I've spent an entire day with a Jap who couldn't speak English and it went smooth despite my mediocre speaking skills.
>inb4lolnicelarpbro
Besides you don't need native-tier communication skills to utilize the language in text form. Both reading and listening is far easier than production. Keep crabbing in that bucket faggot, one day AI will solve all your shortcomings.

>>750574670
Sorry, but I don't believe you. I see this boasted all the time but conveniently nobody can provide the evidence for it. Why don't you show your chart and stats to prove it?

I know all the kana and some of the most basic kanji that you'd see in manga. I understand the very very basics of conjugation and masu and mashita

How do I get to the point where I could have a basic conversation with someone? Should I watch NHK with two sets of subtitles or something?

Learning Japanese is useless now, why would i learn something that takes hours and years without any benefits?

>>750568040
>YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO LEARN JAPANESE
For what purpose? It's literally useless if you're not working with a cling clang.

>>750574704
これ

>>750574952
For the love of the craft? For the love of the language? What an unmotivated attitude.

In this day and age you only need to learn English if you are born in a non-English country.

>>750573870
Fuck no. I barely even handwrite shit in my native language these days so why would I learn how to write kanji? It helps with memory retention so if you want to add another layer then by all means do that, but unless you live in Japan the use case is zero.

>>750574952
Husslers deserve to die in a ditch with all the stress they love chasing for some extra money.

>>750574849
i think something a lot of people overlook is that natives will adjust to your level automatically and you arent a bother to them if they do this
think about the number of times you have spoken to a non native english speaker
you will automatically switch to more comprehensible language or slower speaking as necessary
people just overthink the whole speaking thing desu
just try your best

>>750568824
It really doesn't. You just don't notice the mistakes. The best teacher is hearing from a native

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>>750575201
Oh I'm sure he toned the level down and also forgave my pronunciation being all over the place but we managed to get our point across without any real roadblocks so I chalk it up as a win.
I also quickly forget about keigo when I get stressed because I have next to no speaking practice, but I made sure to say that before we started and most Japanese don't even expect a gaijin to use keigo anyways.

>>750568856
>>750569059
I've for some reason never heard anyone say this but I think it's not the language itself necessarily, but how Japanese people are highly skilled at using their voice. It's seriously unique in the world (as are many things from Japan). Things like changing the pitch and voice quality to sound cute or cool, and then just continuing to speak like that throughout your life. Even just the basic way to pronounce Japanese without "changing your voice" is at a higher level than other languages.

Learn my native language Arabic, you will have better chances at gaining more money since we love foreigners unlike Japs.

>>750574541
I have never spent more than 40 minutes in anki a day and I rushed through 6k at 25 new/day at first and 15-20 later on. When the numbers started going down I added some extra decks because I feel like at least spending 20 minutes a day on something Japanese is important, as I don't really have the time to read every single day.
I do not care about schedulers because they assume I want to learn every word with the same zeal and that's just not true. I manually put words wherever I want when I fuck them up according to how much I care.

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>>750575313
oh wise sage of the anki lords
how do you review so many cards in such short time

>>750574952
I wanna keep my brain braining after finishing university instead of having dementia at 35.

I fucking hate asians.

>>750568142
i want to breed japanese woman on demand

>>750574952
Learning a language is one of the best methods to prevent brain related degeneration. I don't even want to imagine how brain dead the modern generation will be in their olden days when they have let AI do all the thinking for them.

>>750575371
the first time i spoke to another japanese native was my sisters friend
because she didnt start with politeness i didnt either and so when she introduced me to her family they picked up on that and assumed there was a level of familiarity and also didnt bother
but for me its the opposite problem because i usually "think" in keigo for work reasons so it was hard to speak in a plain register so i made a few mistakes

I use Claude to learn Japanese

Play Sonic Adventure!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1jkwHK3Ars

>>750575427
it seems too difficult but i like how it sounds

>>750568040
but I can japanese, look!

اخرس أيها الأحمق الغبي

>>750575427
>doing hobbies for money
that's not how it works ahmed. suicide bomb something in minecraft.

>>750576053
That's French

>>750576158
same thing

>>750575434
Give each card 2-3 seconds max and don't sweat about perfect button presses on rare words, just don't let cards you're not 100% sure in escape into the 1+ month interval. Learning the kanji in advance also helps.

>>750576214
Arabic and French are different.

>>750574952
To shock Japanese angels and make them want to have sex with you

Any time I try to find a language learning partner online they disappear after one chat. Should I just speak with AI? What's the best one for that?

Ngl I'm kind of impressed at the ankibros actually a) spending months doing hundreds of anki reps b) actually putting together hundreds of anki cards.

I tried doing anki and ignoring how tedious it was to setup every pre-made deck I could find was insanely difficult/outright impossible despite the fact that I can muddle through video games in Japanese and grok like half of what's being said/written. I don't have the patience to spend dozens of hours putting together cards.

>>750576521
You get what you pay for. Pay for a teacher on Italki instead of wasting your time trying to wrangle a study partner, finding a time that suits both of you, and spending half of that time speaking to them in English or whatever language they're trying to learn.

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>>750576053
Allahu snackbaaar habibiiii! even better than nihongjese

>>750568040
No way people use Claude for this.

>>750576593
you can create anki cards with one click using yomitan anon
nobody is spending hours making custom cards these days

>>750576521
Dont listen to this faggot ass boomer : >>750576641
You CAN talk with AI with the language you want, like japanese... hell even 8 months i could talk to freakin Grok in japanese pretty dang fine and they can understand you well as long as your accent is NOT terrible, and they can switch between english and japanese and go along with your pace well enough.
Now 8 months later i bet Grok and maybe some other AI can surpass human silly ass teacher like that anon babbled about.

>>750576593
Mining is so easy you can go overboard without realizing it. I read on a tablet and there are nice OCR options nowadays that have anki integration. Sadly the most complete has the worst OCR and the best OCR is abandonware but oh well crutches being annoying help discipline.

>>750576731
Time to add learning what yomitan is to my backlog then I guess.

Might have helped when I was prepping for the Terraform and AWS exams lol.

>>750576882
also look at gamesentenceminer which you can combine with yomitan
i played through all of ffvii remake and rebirth with it and i learned so much

>>750576521
yes please listen to this sir: >>750576782
do the needful and use the ai, you will not be regret

>>750568236
Never listen to niggas who tell you that a hobby is a waste of your time. It's not like they are doing anything productive with their time.
Also, no translation can ever be the same as the original.

>>750575427
I hate you though

>JAPANESE
Thanks God I didn't waste my time learning this useless piece of language.

>>750576882
I'm pretty sure any serious guide will tell you to install yomitan as step -1. Don't reinvent the wheel anon.

>>750568040
Sorry babe, but Claude puts out and you don't.

>>750577007
keep seething and coping about AI and your imaginary jeet boogeymen living in your head rent-free.
AI has already surpassed teachers. But sure, keep closing your eyes and ears see where that takes you lol
>inb4 ur brooooown, do not redeeem etc etc
Nothing you respond with will be correct either, but keep coping all you want.

>>750568040
My dad got angry at me for learning this instead of Chinese.

>>750568885
Wasn't 4chan sold to a new owner about a decade ago?

>>750577304
You have to be over 18 to post here anon
>>750577307
A decade? goot has been the admin longer than moot for around a year anon.

>>750568040
I did somewhat learn it, I even (poorly) translated one light novel this year. KanjiTomo and Weblio were consulted frequently. I never used AI for translating from Japanese unless manually checked Kanji OCR counts as AI. Also, she looks so much hotter with that expression.

>>750577304
Sometimes I also think that I should have started learning Chinese instead. But I hate the language, the culture and the people, so I don't think I could learn it

>>750577132
It's ok faggot.

>>750568528
>MGQ Paradox translation
Is....is it done yet?I haven't checked in years.

>>750568920
>>750569326
>>750569503
English has it's own issues, they teach you all these gramatical, pronunciation, and spelling rules in kindergarten and grade school, but never bother to mention that half our language is either French or words pilfered from other languages, and none of them have ever been anglicized, so you have no idea how to spell it if you hear it, or how to pronounce it if you read it.
I can only imagine the headache it must be to ESLs.

>>750577304
Your father is a fucking retard.
Nobody sane wants to deal with the chinese.

>>750577347
I'm 20. What has age got to do with it anyway?
>>750577379
Nah, it's boring. My dad was only annoyed because he thought I would be a millionaire if I learned Chinese. Boomers are clueless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdXM43Tcurc

Is he right? the feeling of not knowing everything will not disappear.

>>750577464
>I can only imagine the headache it must be to ESLs.
Not that bad. I admit I was blessed by going to an elementarys chool that had english class every day ever since I was 5 thoughbeit.

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FUCK KANJI
FUCK CHINK
FUCK YOUR STUPID WRITING SYSTEM

>>750577609
Being taught it young helps you grasp it and makes you far less of an ESL. One of the reasons American education fails is because it puts off learning a second language until high school.

>>750574143
As a fish I can confidently say

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO OOO O OOOOOOOO OOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOO OO

>>750577568
He's not

>>750577226
You forgot to call me a luddite, isn't that part of your script?

>>750568040
Claude and ai translations are for nigs and jeets. In messing around with it, it's no better or worse than the blue haired fag that messes with our scripts already. I'm pretty good at reading now, but still struggle to speak it. I won't let ai or brown retarded shortcuts ruin my hobby and goals

>>750577568
Not even natives grasp 100% perfectly everything they read in any language mate. Don't feel bad for dumb shit like that.

>>750577609
I went to a religious school so I started learning Hebrew in kindergarten. I know the alpehbeis, I know the grammar and the punctuation, I can read it and write it.
I just can't understand it, something makes it impossible for me to remember new Hebrew words, even though I can pick up obscure English words after hearing or reading them once. I have a gigantic English vocabulary and a tiny Hebrew vocabulary and I wish I understood why.

>>750577757
i also blame the way its taught
here in scotland there is often minimal separation between the language used at school and at home and it can get very bilingual sometimes due to the high volume of chinese and arabic immigrants
kids are constantly changing language to talk to each other and learn other languages naturally
not even mentioning the scottish dialects which can cause even fluent english speakers confusion sometimes
as a result of the culture its a non issue

>>750577687
I gave up on anki it's easier to learn by listening
>reading
just use ocr + tts

Hahahaha I knew being lazy and spending all that time gaming instead of learning how to draw or learning a second language would pay off
Grok, render me a fat tit and ass having naked anime babe flipping off OP then translate this obscure jrpg for me