does preem mean mid?

>>750677945
I don't remember the last time /v/ hivemind was right about anything. It's easy to hate vidya today because of the state it's in so /v/ doesn't get credit for that.

>>750677945
its alright, played it 2-3 times, but still havent bothered going back since the DLC came out

just kind of soulless compared to witcha 1-3 (the ugly american setting doesnt help with that though)

>>750677945
cyberpunk 2077 is legit one of the best open world action RPGs ever made, /v/jeets only play gashit and coomer bait games.

>>750678203
youre 100% right. i dont know how it happened but after a few years of hating on everything something in me just switched, and i realize i was denying myself so many enjoyable things, not even just vidya. but im just gonna get called a lying troon anyway

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/v/ largely just uses
>muh shitty launch
and
>it wasn't the game they promised way back in 2012
and
>its just like GTA
as eternal stars to follow for why the game is supposedly bad while ignoring the reality of game development and all the post-launch patches and the dlc

>>750677945
It's another Far Cry 3 clone like a dozen other games

>Love eating literal shit
>Bite into a turd
>Its delicious
I dont know what you people are on about.

>>750678435
Because you are lying. No one masculine enjoys this shit. Youre all trannies or low test.

A lot of people here actually like the game. You just don't see much positive discussion of new games in general anymore because it always gets overshadowed and drowned out by the highly dedicated shitposters that will post in bad faith until everyone gets bored of it and fuck off.

This game altered by vocabulary for a couple months. Only game where the futuristic slang doesn't feel cringe.

>>750678497
The game is ok for what it is but the blatant and intense lying from before release should not be forgiven.
This game was supposed to have branching storylines and crunchy rpg mechanics. The only branching storylines are the ones from the 2 quests they showed before release.
Their patching has honestly not fixed shit. I'm someone who played at release and encountered almost no bugs. What have they even added? Some convenience features?
The game doesn't even have unscripted car chases.

>>750678274
It feels more like Neo Tokyo than California (if we’re forgetting about 50% of the characters) thoughbeit

>>750678974
You've been whining about this for six years now. SIX YEARS.
Yes, we get it, the game didn't do what the marketing promised. Welcome to video game marketing, everyone else stopped giving a fuck five years ago, just your autistic ass cannot let go.

>game is mid
>make anime to get goy to buy game thinking that game is like anime (its mot its meh)
>do it twice
>works twice

>>750677945
It was fun to parkour in. And then once I completed all the quests I ended up playing it like GTA. It’s actually kinda fun when your police notoriety reaches the peak because you get to go up against those heavily augmented super cops (forgot their name) and it proves to be a real fun challenge. It does get easier once you have a good katana and the sandevistan augmentation.

I barely remember anything from this game. I remember jackie plots, panam’s fat ass, that nude bitch in the tub, johnny bombing the tower, kidnapping the sexy jap bitch, and thats all.

>>750679190
the first season didnt even look good, ill admit the second one looks like it could be good though

>>750678974
>What have they even added? Some convenience features?
They've overhauled several of the core systems that use to severely impede the flow of character progression and build development

>The game doesn't even have unscripted car chases.
Yes it does

>>750679210
>those heavily augmented super cops (forgot their name)
maxtac

>>750679298
That’s them. They were tougher “bosses” than any of the story ones, which sucked mind you.

>>750678613
okay. enjoy refreshing the catalogue to find things that trigger you

Glad I didn't pick it up at launch because the shit was unplayable.

Now it's addicting.

>>750679190
its funny how people who havent played it keep parroting this over and over. the game was "fixed" by the time the first anime came out, it just convinced a huge surge of people to give it another chance

>>750679501
The anime came out at 1.6. The schizophrenic perk system of pre 2.0 was still out and the game's looting and crafting systems were god awful slogs where you had to use some random garbage you didn't like or craft the same gun over and over because you needed a specific damage type. Not to mention that iconic you like was going to become worthless in 10 levels.

>>750677945
I liked the game at launch. Have yet to play the DLC though, will do that soon.

>>750679190
I'll admit the anime is what got me into the game, but the game is better than the anime because I actually get to PLAY it.

>>750678435
you were basically reddit but the opposite where instead of being relaxed and trying stuff out by yourself and see if you end up liking it you became one of those yelling meme heads for one reason or another. very bad habit when combined with reddit or 4chan.

I feel like instead of having to wait for a lock on, Smart guns should have an expanded reticle where you still have to aim roughly where you want to shoot but the bullets will correct themselves to hit approximately the point where you were aiming at to produce a much more forgiving aiming experience compared to Power guns. Something more analogous to smart weapons in 2020 or cpRED. With perks simply improving the size of this reticle more and more based on the player's actions.

I really dislike things like the ricochet system of power weapons or the KNEEL! Mod on a shotgun rewarding the player for aiming at the dirt instead of the weakpoints or at least a meaty torso shot. It feels very dumb

>Played it a few months after it came out, before the full rework and the anime
>Fun as fuck
>Play it again now
>Still fun and with more things to do
Can't wait to see what happens when the mod train gets really moving

I'll never trust anyone who sings this game's praises. The writing is abysmal, simply dogshit. Can't take anything in the game seriously when the writing in an rpg is cringeworthy

>>750680814
the writing is ok for a game, it's just not very compelling, really no reason to care about anything happening in it

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>>750680814
>The writing is abysmal, simply dogshit
dogshit how?

>>750680814
what about trying things yourself? wish I wasn't replying jokingly btw

>>750680814
Examples?

>>750678974
>The game doesn't even have unscripted car chases.
One of the big parts of 2.0 was the inclusion of car combat including ambient car chases

>>750680895
>the writing is ok for a game
I hate this excuse, because it has forever made the implication that video game writing should be held to a lower standard, or that audiences should applaud substandard writing.

>>750680948
made me lol

>>750681097
poat webm

>>750677945
It's a generic ubislop open world game.

>>750680948
There is very little investigation into the purpose or meaning behind almost any of the antagonists regarding quests, both story and side. Often they plainly just tell you straight up that they are doing X because of incredibly selfish and unabashedly reason Y or you read one email/text that says they're basically demon incarnates. The three (3) quests that break this mold involve multiple endings based on your actions that all lead to the exact same general resolution so ultimately it never matters what you do, or why you do anything. The road only takes you to one place.

>>750681160
no it's just that most games have much worse writing than cyberpunk, look at how bad BG3's writing is for example

>>750677945
I'm glad that I'm not a GTAfag nor a consolefag because I got the game I (mostly) wanted out of CP2077 at launch on my PC
Still, the updates and the DLC especially made it better

>>750678274
The DLC is actually really good.

>>750681040
I did
>>750681059
The baseline tone of writing is that of a juvenile who still snickers when he hears the word "cock". When the game attempts gravitas, tries to elicit profundity of emotion, like Johnny's "fighting the forces of entropy" speech, or sinnerman's philosophy, or the heart-to-heart with skye, the writing is simply flat and predictable. It's like tasking a high schooler to write the character of an old man at death's door, what he would say, what regrets he would have. A child will never be able to verbalize anything profound because a child does not have the lived experience to say anything profound, so anything he does write will come off as naive. That's what the game's writing is like.

TL;DR: polish retards can't write, sincerely, a slav

>>750681168
Just look it up on youtube, it was like one of the main selling points of the update outside of the skills and cyberware being revamped. Some cars have built in weapons too.

>>750681556
idris elba facescan put me off playing it
idris is such an overhyped mid actor

>Games gives so many perk points you can go 20/20/20/18/3
It's a very weird spread. I get people like mix and matching and I certainly appreciate being able to pick some of the quality of life perks in something like Reflex later in the game, but in my experience I generally don't want to leave my core attribute at all until it's maxed out so I'm mostly just upping the Attribute I want to be able to roleplay as.

>>750681610
you can kill him

>>750679213
That's what happens when you pause every few minutes to watch tiktoks. I bet you second screened twitch streams while you played too

>>750681296
Only game that made me feel something through the writing was planescape torment, and that's hardly even a game.

>>750681646
interesting, im assuming that happens late rather than early though?

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>>750678497
I have never seen a single piece of compelling gameplay and I cannot be added to pirate it either.

>>750681585
I like how your critique of the writing was just to say variations of "It's childish" three times in a row, without actually dissecting or analyzing any lines, just citing a scene and insisting it's bad.

>>750681610
He's alright in it even though I also think he's overrated as an actor. The real breakout character is Songbird. I'll echo that anon and say that the DLC is really, really good. Pretty much everything about it is a huge improvement over the base game, I kinda wish we got at least one more DLC of that caliber.

>>750681607
>Just look it up on youtube
so you don't even play the game you are advertising on my board?

>>750681716
Yeah, you meet up with him halfway through the story and about 2/3rds through you can side with either him or another character then the main mission diverges significantly and in one of the paths you can choose to kill him.

>>750681716
>>750681883
He's a glowie and you can basically give him shit for the entire time though.

>>750681763
>>750681883
ill give it a go then thanks

>>750681750
He is not wrong tho.

>>750681861
More I'm not making the effort to offer bespoke video footage when it already exists

>>750678497
2077's launch should be brought up every time CDPR releases a game. I like 2077 but that shit needs to hang over them like a cloud so it doesn't happen again

>>750681763
Without giving too much away-
Your condition is due to Arasaka.
Songbird is basically Militech you.
She doesn't have an engram overwriting her brain, but it's equally whack.

>>750677945
is the game actually good I only played like 10hrs when it launched

>tfw it has cross-save so I got the switch 2 version on sale.
Fuck it lads, I will double dip on games this way if it offers cross-save, getting witcher III next, any other games that let's me use the same save file from steam on the Switch 2?

>>750681750
Yes, variations, or in other terms, multiple examples. We're on 4chan, if I hypothetically say that sinnerman's explanation of his ethos feels extremely underwhelming because "if infinite love exists so must a god" is a lousy representation of christian epistemology and his entire rationale thereafter is weak, all it takes is for some random to say "nuh uh I thought it was good". So it's really pointless to go into details.

>>750682101
To be fair, the coof kind of fucked things in particular for them. It probably would have been a bad launch regardless but I feel having to deal with a year of that bullshit ended up making it a whole lot worse than it needed to be and probably fucked up a lot of their initial plans for post-launch support. Witcher 3 also had some issues at launch but it was nowhere near as bad so I lean on assuming a lot of the problems stemmed from that.

>>750677945
I pirated it and it's irremediable dogshit.

>>750682351
the company also went public after TW3 released

>>750682095
pathetic
so the game sucks so bad you are not even willing to open it for 10 minutes

>>750681296
Ehh... I prefer bg3 writing over Cyberpunk, much more reactivity and dialogue is more interesting.

Idk but i didn't like Jackie, and Johnny was too edgy. The romances were solid but not that memorable. The story & its themes were good but they sit on the lower end for Cyberpunk, i pretty much prefer GITS, Blade Runner and Deus Ex over it.

Cyberpunk has too much irrelevant dialogue choices, and the RPG part of the dialogue was weak, in the sense that a dialogue options can alter a situation, it didn't capitalize well on that. felt too shallow.

>>750682535
>Idk but i didn't like Jackie, and Johnny was too edgy. The romances were solid but not that memorable. The story & its themes were good but they sit on the lower end for Cyberpunk, i
I agree, but I could discount all that if the game had more systems keeping the world alive. I feel it's stale as fuck. Enemies just keep there waiting for you, the AI feels retarded quite often. Man, I truly hope AI fixes the game since anyone with a good idea, some money and a nice attitude can fix it.

>>750682424
Why does it need to be from *my* gameplay if footage exists? I don't want to spend 10 minutes on any game to make a webm just to prove a point when I can just point at shit already uploaded.

>>750682717
so they don't even give you a key to the game they pay you to advertise
that's really sad hope you can renegotiate your employment terms

>>750682424
Based Chad bully

>>750682535
They really should have done more to make V feel like his own proper character, but him being sort of a cardboard cut out is a result of initially promising and planning for a bunch of life paths, which even long before launch I thought was going to be a mistake instead of just making him a straightforward Solo, at least narratively. If a game isn't a CRPG with a party of supporting members, I really don't care for the blank slate idea for an MC.

While stat checks and dialogue are fairly few and far between, I find that at least Body and Int are fairly decent for making V look competent, but Reflex and Cool are generally crap with Reflex typically make some random comment or snide remark where as Cool feels ironic half the time since the "Cool" things V says make him sound like a huge fag.

>>750682697
They should keep the same map and improve upon it, like what Nintendo did with Breath of the Wild.
Although Nintendo just decided to make it big and recycle ten times more. CDPR should just keep the same map of Night City and add more depth into it, make it more alive and dynamic.

CDPR are good writers but they make a lot of fluff dialogue that feels like (explain more to me) rather than (let me roleplay) and also the IP itself is kinda shallow. With all respect to Mike Pondsmith but he isn't that good at writing.

>>750682835
I think Cyberpunk's definition of what is considered "cool" was always meant to be kinda faggy and that was part of the charm. It comes across as being intentionally tryhard.

>>750677945
if you're impressed with this game, you either don't play a lot of games or you don't have standards. it's barely average, at best

I for one dont understand why people who dont like a game want to discuss them not liking game 6 years post launch. I dont care about your opinions, no one does. You're insane.

Have you considered doing anything with your life, like, play a different game and talk about that, read a book, watch anime, go outside, start a family, etc.

>>750683063
I have no idea how the OG material is, but I think they did great, at least when it comes to worldbuilding. There's a certain verisimilitude, or perhaps cohesiveness about the world that I quite like it. I hope they don't rehash Night City too much and come up with different stuff in Chicago, but the true way to improve upon and deliver on the promises of CP77 indeed is to keep the map, for as much as possible.

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>>750683421
>start a family

>>750681097
having actually played this pile of shit, I can inform anyone curious that these "car chases" are alpha-quality shit that usually ends with the AI participants having a halfassed fight while simultaneously reaching the end of their ability to function correctly. it's pretty pathetic, like most of the little features they've tried to hack in here and there

>>750677945
ive been telling you its a masterpiece since day one

>>750683421
I think I see your confusion; you don't know what discussion is. If you walk into a room and say "everyone told me this game sucks actually it rules" then you are going to get some unfavorable responses. Even if you walk into a room and say "hello I would like to have a big circle jerk about my favorite game" you will get some unfavorable responses. Maybe start a discord that only has die hard Cyberpunk 2077 fans in it if you don't want to actually hear people's opinions

>want to play it all the way through
>have to do the intro I've done twice and dropped it
I forgot what even happened in game so I'd have to start over doing shit I already did.

>>750677945
cyberpunk 2077 is a great game if you're a glop redditor, tranny, or person who does drugs and has tattoos.
all with iqs in the 90-110 range

I think they should swap Power Weapons "niche" away from the Ricochet thing and instead give them Ammo types or firing modes you can freely switch between. Tech and Smart guns are good at what they do but I don't enjoy charging up shots in a shooter, and while I like smart guns in conjunction with hacks I like more "honest" gunplay. I love the way the perk system rewards specific style of playing but the weapon trees being limited to narrow categories definitely hurt early game variety.

>>750677945
The game was pretty fucking bad on launch, they did massive overhauls to all gameplay systems. All those skill trees are new features.

Its one hundred percent worth a playthrough and maybe worth two. But after the second playthrough I can't be arsed to sit through that long ass five hour prologue before you can actually explore the city and after 2.0 they really fucked over the stealth quickhacking. I want to be able to play the game the way I want to play it from the very beginning I don't want to have to wait until I have cash and rep to install the cyberdeck I need to stealth quickhack and kill everybody without ever firing a shot. I preferred the game in 1.5 honestly

>>750683679
No. You can just skip that.

>>750683679
If you're talking about pre-Phantom Liberty, you can now skip the entire Arasaka heist portion of the game. You miss very little decision-making (and decision making basically doesn't matter in this game anyway) so if you already own the game + PL it's a no brainer

>>750683603
Discussion relies on people having accurate up to date information, shared philosophy of what discussion is, what playing a game means and such
So if someone plays cp on a modern pc fully to completion and you have opinions about it, great. We share relevant understanding of what the game is today, what playing is with our similar computer, we likely share some sort of living standards and morals which make discussion easier.

What you're proposing isn't discussion, its an unhinged bot repeating an algorithm ruining discussion for people who play videogames.

>>750683874
"What I'm proposing?" What the fuck are you talking about? Some people played your game on PCs better than yours, they didn't like it, and they're entitled to their opinion and will share it on a forum if you ask them to. Which you do, by starting threads. If you can't deal with it, make better OPs than this, or alternatively, fuck off

>>750683764
No. That was a good change. Even now Hacking is too strong in the late game. Honestly direct damage and instant knock outs should be remove from hacking entirely unless you fulfill some requirements like how System Shock becomes much more affordable after a take down. They should immensely flesh out environmental control and enemy behavior manipulation.

The whole point of having Int and Hacking is using your hacks to facilitate the ability to fulfill multiple playstyles and approaches to a level you're not technically specialized in. Having access to an instant knock out against anything you look at is dumb.

>>750677945
The like jargon in this game is so unbelievably awful and cringy that I have to stop paying attention to anyone who uses it. I tried to watch the first season of the anime when it came out and the subtitles were just dubtitles and I dropped it. Disgusting westoid shit, sounds like what 35+ year old wine aunts would think sounds cool.

>>750684000
what a wonderful cp discussions you must be having in your reality

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>>750677945
Great game. Just took about three years of patches to become that way.

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>>750683445
>I hope they don't rehash Night City too much and come up with different stuff in Chicago
They'd kind of have to unless they go totally off the rails from the established canon. A barely rebuilt city in the NUSA, located far further north, can't realistically have even remotely the same vibe. That'd be a huge failure.

I feel like there should be a late game shotgun with a stock and a fat drum magazine and an insane rate of fire without sacrificing much damage. Phantom Liberty gave ARs got the Hercules, Sniper Rifles got two prototypes, Pistols had the Malorian. Shotguns have Ba Ching Xong but that more of a rocket launcher. I feel like shotguns missed out and of course LMG variety is pathetic.

>>750681273
This isn’t an investigation game. You’re not a detective.

>>750684128
In reality, I've replied to people about the actual game here and in many other threads, because I have both good and bad things to say about it. Aside from whining, your contribution to this excellent thread has been what, precisely?

>>750677945
Tendies and jeets hate the games they can't play. DD2 is also kino

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>>750677945
>Very hard now just means 4 skull heavies per encounter, your armor is paper, and grenades do a tenth of the damage
>Only fun build still chews through them being a war machine
>Swap around to try the new pistol cheese ebin build bro
>Sum total of build is just mashing heywood hurricane into guys heads until you flatline from being stationary
>Stacking damage bonus doesn't matter because it's consumed by the first and the guy you dump 5 of them into from point blank sandy range will kill you with his heavy machine gun if you chase fodder enemies who do no damage first
>Cool tree pistol perks barely have synergy with dual pistols and stamina seems to get eaten by focus, the only cool pistol skill, regardless because the whole time you're killing guys it's overfill
>Doesn't matter because stamina is a meme and the tree never was good
>Pisses through ammo worse than smgs by a lot
>Literally worse than using not pistols without perks
>Go back to real build
>back to melting guys in seconds on YouTube short flex difficulty


The only thing they didn't fuck up was modders got shit working by the time I redownloaded. Not their modders though, the inbuilt mod manager has 39 mods and 30 of them are NPC hair ports with pictures pulled of nexus in the slut outfits that'll never hit the PS5. Also anime2 was mid and aimless.

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>>750684308
>tendies can't play it
huh?

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aight lads im done with vanilla. what are some mods worth checking out? qol mods, and ones that expand the game preferred.
coomer ones too, im thinking of going fem v this time around.

>>750678435
The problem isn’t in liking cyberpunk. The problem is in enabling CD Projekt Red’s anti consumer practices and setting a worse precedent. You can enjoy the game for what it is and demand better.

>>750684610
Oh, definitely the AGP mod then (Immersive First Person)

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>>750684263
>You’re not a detective.

>>750679169
> Welcome to video game marketing, everyone else stopped giving a fuck five years ago, just your autistic ass cannot let go.
Why should the consumer let it go? They were lied to. There’s a major difference between lying about a game being the best ever vs downright selling a game that doesn’t exist. You’re well within your right to love the current game and IP as is, but you should demand better if you want a better game. What’s the harm in having a good Cyberpunk sequel that is more like what they promised?

>>750684924
The people who are still whining about the prerelease marketing for the first game are not looking for a better sequel. They just want to whine because they're whiners.

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>>750682697
>I feel it's stale as fuck
Not him but I super agree with this, I like this game but the open world definitely feels dead. Besides various flavors of quests there's nothing to do just walking around. All these casinos, strip clubs, shady nightclubs, etc and you can't enter 99% of them. And the ones you can enter are only there for a specific quest. The whole city just kinda feels like set dressing with no interactivity.

I also think the game would be massively improved with some skyrim-style random encounters, like getting jumped in the street by a mugger, having people trying to break into your parked car, people approaching you asking for an autograph (after you get to a certain reputation level, etc). Like that 'quest' where you get robbed in a diner or the clothing store you visit that gets attacked by a cyberpsycho, would have been a lot more fun if they weren't obviously marked as quests on the map ahead of time. Just anything to make the city feel more unpredictable and alive would go a long way.

>>750677945
ngl, definitely a game worth 1-2 playthroughs. It's unironically a better story+immersive-sim type game, rather than being known as something like an open-world sandbox. There's enough role-playing elements to call it an RPG, but ultimately your character will always be a teminally-ill V. the 2.0 update made combat a ton more fun and the game in general feels more well-rounded, enjoy OP

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>55 BURGERS 55 FRIES 55 TACOS 55 PIES 55 COKES 100 TATER TOTS 100 PIZZA 100 TENDERS 100 MEATBALLS 100 COFFEES 55 WINGS 55 SHAKES 55 PANCAKES 55 PASTAS 55 PEPPERS AND 155 TATERS!!!

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this game was released when the fastest cpus in the world had 4-6 cores. your game was released in the era of 32 core threadrippers, surely it has superior gameplay physics?

>>750685129
While nu-Deus Ex is far from perfect, I wonder if it hits the balance of im-sim vs. action game a little bit better? 2077 has all these traits of a more action/gameplay-oriented game, and has a true open world, whereas something like Human Revolution or MD had simpler gameplay and smaller, more tightly-designed maps and hubs. That seems like a better fit for a story-driven experience

>>750677945
gonna play this tonight I was forced to pirate it cause steam wants my CC

>>750677945
It's boring dogshit in general and overused dialogue that gives no actual real choice with dealing with any consequences.

What the fuck are you doing night city beside outside mission? Driving around and shooting a bandit for a thousand times? There is absolutely nothing here to do. Zero mini-game activity, unlike what GTA, RDR and even fucking Yakuza have a fuckload of mini-game activity.

>>750678203
You have to understand that the internet these days is full of retarded jeets gone braindead from drinking cow piss and there's no gate to keep them off 4chins so the level of retarded opinions will inevitably be much higher than back before they used low caste slave labour to get internet across their stinky lands.

>>750685548
Have you tried GoG?
Maybe they dont ask your payment info

>>750685968
the developer should not be given any money for this game. save it for gta6

>>750685513
Why is the road made out of ice?

>>750685886
I dont play it for minigames.

>>750686276
Why bother making an open-world sandbox then, dipshit?

>>750677945
Good on them for sticking with it and attempting to fix how horribly broken it was a launch, it's the only high profile example I can think of apart from No Man's Sky. The only gameplay bug I ran into when I played it in 2022 was sandevistan slowmo not activating and going on cooldown like 10 percent of the time

>>750677945
>game's gonk
Gonks are people
Would wouldn't say "the game is an idiot"
Bro doesn't even get the lingo

>>750678203
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>>750685940
Who's discord is this?

>>750686881
You missed the opportunity to call OP a gonk

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>>750686217
post yourself on a frozen lake and I may consider an earnest answer to your query.
this is on 10 year old low end studs, I have since switched to micheling x-ice north 4s like all the big guys

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>>750684239
the weapon selection is pretty lacking overall, there's some great stuff but it's stretched way too thin. I think not adding more old-world weapons was a missed opportunity, the Burgerclaps made at least three-dozen icons and the game doesn't have any of them. It's weird having a gonzo shooter set in America without a classic M1911 on the roster, or a Thompson, or an M2.

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here are my north 4s

post that roman scene
you know which one

>>750684610
>600 3rd party plugin dependencies everything relies on (thankfully updated)
>The mod that makes ncpd hustles replayable with generic loot.
once you've cleared enough of them X many begin to reactivate on a cooldown so the map isn't literally fucking empty
>Non canon romances and the I want to stay at your house unfucker so the game isn't actually broken anymore
The 4 romances are numbered and rather than roll between the two the mission defaults to the higher number locking off the other(s). Think about how 0 people have ever romanced Judy and river or panam and kerry at the same time for that jeet code to still be in the game.
>Wade through sea of depreciated body replacers, outfit refits, and physics mods to find one that still work and work together
>Lizzie's braindances is crashing the game atm and that's the big sex mod that does more than play the prostitute sex animations it's still basically just the prostitute sex animations
>Dark futures for survival mechanics that add minor consequences to taking 90,000 points of damage in an in game day without sleeping or doing some drugs. (Might also be broken now, didn't check)
>Atelier shop for custom outfit purchasing interface
>3rd person mod I assume is broken and neither are all that good, but better than forced Skyrim first person while wandering around

there isn't much really. A lot of old mods became update content and custom weapons are rare/non-existent. Sluttier npcs and better panam/Judy are half the load order of a modlist.

Takemura should have been romancable before the random cop.

>>750687834
Do foids even like River?

>>750677945
Nah, you are just retarded.
It's still shit - with gazillions of mods it becomes somewhat tolerable and that's about it.

>>750687930
No one likes river

>>750678274
The skill system was improved since then. It's worth starting a new game + playing dlc

>>750681160
Can you name 5 games with good writing?
Games like Nier and Soulsbourne (with great atmosphere and lore but sub mid actual writing) don't count

All games have bad writing. Hopefully that'll change but that's the world we live in, and how games should realistically be judged

>>750678969
>choom
>preem
>not cringe
LOL

>>750688529
That lingo is streets ahead

>>750688239
>fat female v
go back to your own internet thridie and stop shitting up the board

>>750688529
look at this gonk get with the times old man

>>750688631
>fat
nigga that is solo body lethal curves that shits pure muscle not your fat fetish self projection

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>>750688631
Let's try that again in proper English, shall we?

>>750683720
yeah that was my biggest complaint with 2.0 there is more build variety but it is also pigeonholed, mixing and matching is less viable

>>750688794
that shit is fat as fuck. sorry you're a mind broken brownoid who only has seen american women

>>750678974
Yes that is the biggest problem. The game is good, but I am tired of people pretending you are a miserable chud if you point out that CDPR outright lied in a lot of ways. But then you have the other group that calls you a miserable tranny if you say the game is actually decent anyway... Why must centrists suffer so...

>>750677945
First time I played it was on PS4 Pro at launch, broken as fuck. Had to restart because my saves got deleted every update. I now hate the beginning of the game so much I never want to touch it again

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>>750689202
>brown
>american women
oh i see your a europoor jeet self project harder faggot

>>750677945
I like the idea of it more than anything 2bh. Lots of wasted potential

>>750678497
It ain't no good game by any means but yeah it gets good song and OST i can't help but keep coming back to it every once in a while. But playing the game? Pure suffering in every fiber of my being. Phantom Liberty was a step in the right direction however in term of narrative quality.

>>750677945
>competes for one of the worst launches in relevant videogame history
>still a shell of what it was sold as
>wonder why people say it's shit
How about you speak in english and not literal turdworld-tier dystopia language too.

>>750689410
the fat-loving thridie can only redirect his anger. hes been found out. no one likes fat chicks, most burgers have been brainwashed to think a bmi of 30+ is normal.

>>750688794
>pure muscle
so you like masculine features? you gay bruh?

>>750689071
sorry shitskin, advanced english users start skipping punctuation because it's redundant on basket weaving forums
identifying pajeet typing and just normal english internet typing is super easy for anyone who isn't brown

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>>750689960
>>750690268
>self projecting so hard

>>750678115
yeah, short for medium premium

>>750678613
Post physique (you won't)

>>750689960
>to think a bmi of 30+ is normal
That's because in the USA, it IS normal
Genuinely, if you have lived in America all your life and move to, say, France or Slovakia or whatever, people will all look extremely skinny to you

>>750677945
The gameplay is fun and the graphics are good, but everything else is mediocre. I already tried a melee and then a ranged build, and I don't see a reason to boot it up again

>>750677945
Gameplay is really good. Setting as well, but the vanilla story is boring as hell. DLC story is a lot better.
I had hoped the story were more Deus ex rather than muh chip, and muh corpos.

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>>750681731
Here's a clip of someone shooting cyber-niggas.

>>750691341
>to think a bmi of 30+ is normal
>That's because in the USA, it IS normal
and thank God for that

>>750693261
Yeah mostly, the populace being uneducated bible thumpers is to thank for that in large part

>>750677945
anime is good
game is mid

>>750677945
anime is dogshit
game is great

>>750693330
this!
>>750693687
not this!

>>750677945
I WANTED DEUS EX ON A GRAND SCALE AND INSTEAD I GOT A FUCKING BORDERLANDS RESKIN THAT DIDN'T WORK AT LAUNCH AND EVEN IF IT HAD IT STILL WOULD HAVE SUCKED JUST LIKE IT DOES TODAY, FUCK CDPR AND FUCK YOU

>>750692926
Can you dual wield a pistol with melee?
I wanna shank a nigga after shooting a nigga.

>>750681883
Was it implied that Idris’ character was fucking the president or did I just imagine that?

>>750694417
This. I wanted glowie conspiracies. Not the stupid neural chip

>>750678203
>I don't remember the last time /v/ hivemind was right about anything
maratroon

>>750694981
imagined, probably because Reed is a dog in human form and Myers is white woman

When should I do the DLC? ASAP or just before Embers?

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>>750677945
Isn't it unplayable bugged mess with mediocre plot full of pretentious characters that returned to spotlight shortly because of that anime with loli in it?

>>750695641
not ASAP but not before Embers either

>>750695748
It's quite playable, as evidenced by all the people who played it a lot. You may want to update your opinions, it seems they're five years out of date.
>>750695641
After getting Body 20. I will not elaborate.

>>750695641
I started it right after wiping out the Voodoo Boys and then do another mission every so often between main game stuff.

>>750696416
>fter getting Body 20. I will not elaborate.
you can do body 14 + gorilla arms

>>750695175
No one cared for it and that's why it died. That's what I'm saying about it being too easy to dislike things because if everyone already knows a game is going to be trash and it turns out to be trash then it's not like you can say /v/ was right when everyone else was right too.

>>750686935
>Who's discord is this?
>Who's
:)

>>750680814
it's like PR had one day to be edgy and they wrote everything in one day then let the game devs work with that over a decade

>>750681585
>or sinnerman's philosophy
I'd love to hear your take on a reformed prisoner who still believes he needs to die as punishment.

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>>750696584
>everyone already knows a game is going to be trash
Sony didn't and neither did plebbit. They are still blastmaxxing.

>>750678346
Too bad they rebranded it to just an action game before release

>>750696454
Won't work fir what's required

>>750679169
>You've been whining about this for six years now. SIX YEARS.
So what? Other devs don't even get the same easy pass on principle, but people keep carrying water for CDPR just because "I like the game". Spineless.

>>750697361
really? I thought it would work, it's not treated as check?

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cyberpunk sisters
we won

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>>750685395
kek

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>>750697709
I hate edgerunners because whenever theres a cyberpunk collab with anything its a 95% chance gonna be edgerunners instead of anything else
like it gets more collabs than the videogame its based on

i'd love something like a morgan blackhand skin in fortnite or whatever, but thats never gonna happen because edgerunners gets first priority, then 2077, tabletop isn't even in the equation

>>750697451
Gorilla arms only help to boost environmental attribute checks like opening doors. They don't help for dualogue checks

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>>750698130
it's a good thing legendary characters remind a legend

>>750678613
Ok fatso

>>750698130
>waah my favourite characters won't get ruined by Fortnite!

>>750698395
fortnite is just an example you get the point

>>750677945
The anime was pretty good. The game is ok

Started today after years of being on the fence and surprisingly pleased so far, it's all right. Also Dexter makes me kek, he seems like a bro

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Ludonarrative dissonance: the game

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i was expecting the game to be a lot cooler/better than it was

>>750700665
they took this from us

>>750700632
I hope Witcher 4 doesn't also have a "HOLY SHIT THE WORLD IS ENDING WE GOTTA HURRY but also relax and do as many side quests and play as much gwent as you like" plot

>>750678346
/thread

>>750700750
It's honestly not that bad in cp77 when you factor in that you don't have a specific timeframe, the timeframe you have is weeks, not days, and it's given by someone who is competent, but not "has confidental information about secret Arasaka research projects" good.

>>750700750
i genuinely do not fucking understand anyone that has this complaint, you can do whatever the fuck you want and ignore the main story quest with no downside.

>>750697268
Sony thought fucking Morbius would sell. Get off your high horse, retard.

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Guys
I really want to fuck Capri

>>750698130
Morgan Blackhand was not even allowed in the cyberpunk videogame because Mike Pondsmith feels weird about having his character interpreted by someone else. It's never happening.
Techincally edgerunners itself is a genious move for collabs as it allows for anime games to have anime characters from it instead of mishmashing artstyles. They clearly care about it which is why no CP2077 character shows up in edgerunners and viceversa, it's only telephone voices in the new update. Sadly western companies who jump on the hype train though want to larp as animes and do butchered interpretations of the anime characters instead of asking for Panam or something

>>750701228
You are agreeing with me. No reason for you to be hostile about anything.

>>750701321
I'm not. Just because Sony is even more retarded doesn't mean you know shit.

>>750687491
I actually felt closer to the opposite. I feel that the tier 1/2 guns were generally okay proxies to real world modern firearms you'd find in use by gangs, but I was hoping that by Tier 4/5 you would start getting more exotic and advanced guns taken out of Corpo Armories that more explicitly require cyberware to operate properly. Instead they mostly stayed analogous with conventional fire arms unless they were tech/smart.

>>750701361
>everyone knows when something is going to flop
>sony didnt know look at maratroon
>HUH YEAH AND MORBIUS FLOPPED TOO SONY IS RETARDED
You are agreeing with me.

I liked the story and combat/stealth mechanics, but the open world hurts the experience by being far too static with nothing organic happening. It only works if you go straight from mission to mission and don't pay any attention to the world around you.

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>>750701068
>you can do whatever the fuck you want
Ok I choose to complain about the story and how it leaves a negative impression on every choice irrelevant from this life or death situation. It turns out that context matters. I also choose to turn off the game.
>bro it's WEEKS bro just ignore the motivation behind anything you're doing bro just turn your brain off

>>750701287
>Mike Pondsmith feels weird about having his character interpreted by someone else. It's never happening.
Several pre-existing characters are already present in CP2077 and Pondsmith worked extensively with the studio developing the game. He's said his agreement means CDPR can't use Blackhand as a character without explicit approval by Mike but aside from that nothing he's said implies he never wants Morgan to appear in the videogame.

>>750677945
Do you need mods to play this shit or is it fine to play vanilla?

>ping enemies
>tech gun spam
peak lazy mode

>>750701564
>Do you need mods to play this shit or is it fine to play vanilla?
IMO you SHOULD do vanilla on your first playthrough.

>>750701534
We all know the reason he's not in is because they want him to be the central character in the next game like Johnny and Reed were in 2077 and they want a similarly high profile actor to play him. What they said about the next setting being "chicago gone wrong" also fits him. Sadly Bruce Willis is out of the question now, wonder who they could get. Maybe Josh Brolin?

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this was epic

>>750701490
The world isn't great for just wandering aimlessly but I think there is enough window dressing as you walk along that the setting feels passable alive, the issue is that you can't interfere or interact with it and it never interferes with you much either, outside of cops showing up when you accidently blast some kid's mom during a firefight. I think it's ridiculous there isn't a single mission where Trauma Team shows up after you kill one of their clients, particularly when dealing with corpo types.

The other day I was surprised to see a completely random event where a Trauma Team AV pulled up next to a highrise, unloaded a shit tonne of gunfire on one of the floors, flew in and flew away, presumably with their client. It was a nice little thing to see, but again, this is window dressing more than anything

>>750701564
Every single mod is just AGP enabling shit anyway.

>>750701490
the open world is clearly just there to immerse you along the main story, you do a couple of side quests/hunts some people down/drive around from place to place and then you complete the game and youre done. it's clearly just suppose to be a linear game that you aren't suppose to really play forever.

>>750701564
CDPR's development process for this game has essentially been to slowly incorporate major mods into the game properly, and generally do so with a bit more quality and detail than a single modder can do which is nice. At this point, several of the must have mods from around 2.0 are already implemented.

There are still some nice mods that give a bit more oomph like the Gang Wars mods that makes the gangs feel much more alive and active outside of their Gigs.

>>750701743
>Every single mod is just AGP enabling shit anyway.
There are some good ones that greatly improve the game, like enhanced weather effects.

>>750701819
The problem with this approach is the multitude of quests you lose by playing like this. Some important too. I was cleaning up jobs and more and more kept appearing. But yeah, the open world is quite bad I would be perfectly fine with a level selection screen in a hud in v apartment like in No More Heroes 2 or something. To me the problem mostly lies in driving in streets being way more tedious and uninteresting than the open fields of Witcher 3 or RDR2. I had the same problem with GTA5 actually

>>750677945
Only thing I liked was hacking cameras and going from one to the next marking dudes and causing things to a-splode. Reminded me of the only thing I liked from Watchdogs.

>>750701687
>Thanks CDPR... I feel represented... She's... me...

>>750701934
Driving around the city is peak SOVL

>>750677945
Repeating the same thing I've always said: The intro made me want to refund it. Exploring on my own made me realize this was a great game.

>>750702060
Maybe if the streets were actually functional and I wouldn't have pedestrians gluing themselves to my car causing all cops to follow me or other cars having blind drivers who can't see the light is green

>>750702178
I literally have no idea what you're talking about.

>>750700632
True. But every game has its flaws, mate. Looking past the dissonance was worth it for me.

>>750702060
NTA, some parts of the city are much better than others in regards to sight seeing and vibes. City Center, Japantown, Heywood are great. It's good that the city has some industrial sprawl but I think the developers made a mistake adding a big suburban area and the badlands.

I remember Sunfags from before launch, they had something of a point but always for the wrong reason. Even Neuromancer has writing that references that cities like Chibi mutate from a lightshow of Neon Lights at night into something like a pile of sunbleached bones in the day. That is part of the dichotomy so daytime stuff is fine, the issue is that the game spends too much time outside of the city's heart. If the time taken to add those areas was instead diverted to expanding on the verticality and feeling of density in the game's better areas I think CP2077 would have been better off for it.

>>750702172
I say that too. The actual gameplay is amazing but man, do i ever hate that story. Holy shit. The first mission you go on to save whatsherface is good, I like that. All the missions leading up to the heist are fucking brutal and all the ones after except for the last one are even worse.

>>750702647
maybe you just don't like RPGs?

>>750702763
I like role playing in my RPGs, not watching semi interactive cutscenes where the characters take 50 years to make even the most minor movements.

Going through the forced BD training, even though you tell it to skip, is more painful than pulling teeth.

>>750702763
NTA. It's liking RPGs that make the gigs underwhelming in the base game. The DLC is better in that regard. Since many gigs are often relegated to a single building with maybe 2 stories and under a dozen enemies your builds don't have as much room to shine and the alternative routes in the gigs are generally pretty underwhelming, like forcing open a back door or being able to jump up to a balcony for a shortcut.

In Phantom Liberty gigs often take place over much larger areas with more unique problems and solutions and often come with a moral conundrum near the end you can give input on and effect.

>>750700981
Yeah I never understood why everyone takes Vik's immediate diagnosis to heart. Like sure, he's damn good at what he does, but at the same time it's not like he has a lot of medical case studies of "the digital ghost of a Rockstar/Terrorist is taking over someone's brain while he is still alive" to draw from either.

>>750702647
The developers overtuned way too much after they got the feedback of very few people going through until the end of Witcher 3 and rushed the main story way too much even if you were to include the optional Panam/Rogue/Kerry/Judy quests as main story the pacing is still fucked. The Nomads take up way too much time and the Vodoo boys and Evelyn are rushed as fuck by comparison. This leads to core night city to feel like the peripheral part of the game while the badlands are, in fact, where you spend most of your time in. Part of this problem is, in fact, due to te game's plot being built on the urgency to remove Keeanu Reeves from living rent free in your head. Act1 with Jackie really should have been not a prologue but an entire first act. The game really should be structured like this:
Act 1 - Jackie, same plot some more story quests, game forces you at least 2 ingame weeks to explore in this city state. Badlands and Pacifica are not available but you can go outside watson otherwise
Act 2 - Johnny: Vodoo/Panam/Rogue where /V/ doesn't know he is dying. At least 2 months in-game must pass.
Act 3: Takemura and ending this is where the game tells you your time is over and Takemura contacts you for the Hanako haste. This is the aprt where they should reallys tart rushing you to the end.
Phantom Liberty should add an act 2.5 of about one month in-game time. If you don't like the time-gating idea to force you not to rush through, then tie it to street cred or level progression.

radio pebkac is the only station you need. all the others are for gonks

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Will you play as Weak?

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>>750704016
D?

>>750704016
dude is chromed tf out no wonder he went psycho

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>>750704063
Talia?

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>>750704159
Or Roman?

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>>750704210
roman feeeeeet!

>>750677945
It sucked when it originally released, full of bugs, looked like shit, bad performance, boring story. It's "fixed" now after years of updates. Phantom Liberty wasn't bad though, they should do more like that.

>>750704083
It might not actually be canon, but for the benefit of the doubt, let’s go with the bare minimum. Both his arms and legs are chromed, he has optics, some kind of Cyberware that makes him fast, and maybe a Pain Editor or some other stuff. By 2020 or RED rules, he’s already at a huge risk of Cyberpsychosis with just the stuff I’ve stated. He really must’ve been built different to handle all of that for as long as he did.

cp77 was ass at release
then we got an anime
they fixed the game with dlc
and now it's okay

still stuck with photorealism and open world slop
hope they will drop that in the sequel

>>750704528
Nah.

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>>750704159

>Lizzie

Should have been Chaos or Doom Doom.

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>>750704607
More like 2. This nigga was retarded.

I just find it, what's it called, "mid". Not a bad game but I struggle to put enough effort into it to care, and some characters are insufferable. And the dialogue.

>>750704816
Classic case of INT versus WIS

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>>750704582
She’s a not a real Maelstrom member, and her tiny pistol is pink.

>>750700729
There's nothing in the pic there isn't in the game

I don't like how the world/loot/rewards/shop gear strictly level around the player, it's so casualised and immersion breaking. I think I read it was different at release but I didn't play it back then due to the buggy launch.

I'd much rather the world had zones like a heatmap, some parts safe for low lvl players, others you'd get stomped in for going in guns blazing too early, but good rewards if you can pull it off.

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>>750704883
He wasn’t even that good of a Netrunner. Lucy was better by comparison because she was using the base Paraline, and she still managed to be pretty good.

>>750704920
Where do I find the attractive female NPC all I find is uggos

>>750704920
>cops arresting a live cyberpsycho

I don't remember this happening in the game, there's no cyberpsychos outside of the ones V deals with in quests. Actually very lazy of CDPR to not add a small chance for random cyberpsycho's to spawn into the world and start rampaging.

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I think it's a really good game but there are a lot of things about it that bother me. What stood out the most iirc was
>unkillable irl influencers and youtubers
>lack of life sim activities (city is huge and incredible looking but there's almost nothing to do in it besides combat, even the street racing side quest has to be about a story about a tranny psycho instead of just street racing). Could have had gambling, yakuza style minigames, dating, 1 minute short films with those replayable vr things, some kind of sport, etc
>narrative implies an urgent ticking clock, which was actually a cool story, but disincentivises doing ANYTHING apart from racing to heal yourself making side quests awkward from an immersion standpoint
>"hey guys we got idris elba! and Keanu Reeves!"
>romance options are disappointing
>some of the quests are cringe
>The RPG elements are always tempting you to stop the action in order to loot a weapon with 0.2% more damage than your current one, either go full rpg or full action fps.
Among others.

>>750691106
>advanced english users start skipping punctuation
Lame deflection saaaar

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>>750705631
>unkillable irl influencers and youtubers
yea i agree with this

>>750677945
>you choombas lied to me.
You should know better than to trust the poorfags, browns and queers on /v/

>>750679190
>Get people to buy game thinking its like anime but its not
Yeah its better.

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>>750705360
>small chance for random cyberpsycho's to spawn into the world and start rampaging.
That happened a few times with me by exploring the world, making me stumble upon a side quest. Maybe if you explore more instead of going through the letter with the game.

I WANT MORE CYBERPSYCHOS

>>750677945
It's sort of boring
Sure the map is big but there really isnt shit to do

Pon Pon Sneed is the best song in the game
Chipping in is a close second
Almost all the other songs are dogshit. I wish I could just make my own radio with MP3s like in GTA

>>750701687
Sasha still got it

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>>750707635
NTSG but you said yourself you accidentally stumbled into scripted sidequest involving a Cyberpsycho, that’s completely different from a Cyberpsycho randomly spawning wherever you’re currently at while minding your own business.

If you’re going to argue in favour of this hack job jalopy of a game while insulting people, at least get your facts straight.

i seriously do not understand why people hate the open world so much, or how a mission based game wouldve been better

>>750677945
>people say its a great rpg
>rpg elements are witcher 3 tier
People don't even understand what makes and RPG and RPG anymore.

>>750710665
Elucidate, Choomie.

>>750710125
bunch of gonks thinking Deus Ex level based slop is better.

>wow the road is barricaded by blocky cars, such good level design woooww

>>750710125
Because everything relevant for the game has a marker on it and there is nothing interesting if you go out of the way to explore.
Compare it to RDR2, where you have a gajillion hunting sidequests, unmarked strangers which can spawn in different places and stop you to ask things and many other little things you get by slowing down.
In Cyberpunk 2077 if you drive from point A to point B nothing happens during the drive. It's effectively dead time.

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>>750678203
>slander opinions from individuals as "hivemind"
>in defense of npc praise of mainstream globohomo goyslop

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I keep trying to give the game a chance but whenever I boot it up I'm stuck in some mission where panam drives me around like a dog and I have to sit there in silence because the dialogue options are gay. I finished one after dropping the game for a year and got put in another one. Fuck off and let me play the game why do they think I wanna sit in the passenger seat

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>>750710863
no i'm not gonna agree with this retarded fucking take, deus ex level design is good, but that doesn't mean level based is just fundamentally better, it just means deus ex is good. the world for cyberpunk provides the immersion that the devs clearly want you to partake in. it could be better if it had stalker's a-life in it but so would every single open world game in existence.

>>750711843
I love the game and I agree.

turret sections and riding shotgun moments are the weakest parts of this game, or any fucking game in general. I hope the sequels gets rid of them.

>>750711843
You can skip all car transport scenes. Literally press the button it tells you to press to skip it. Its in the lower right corner.

Reminder what they took from you
https://youtu.be/vjF9GgrY9c0?si=9U1wsi1UMoinehFS

>>750710908
This is my biggest issue with the game. Its edging on verge of being 10/10 masterpiece, but it falls short on so many simple things that just take you out of it.
- Add a handful of dynamic interactions in the world, so all NPCs arent just standing around
- Make generic shops available: El Dorado Pawn Shop should function as generic garbage vendor. These already exist in-game. It feels weird that 99% of shops arent accessible. Recycle interiors with minor changes if necessary.
- Improve how generic non-combat NPCs act. They should be able to enter buildings and interact with generic street vendors. I dont give a fuck if the guy entering a building has an invisible wall preventing you from entering: I just want the illusion that the buildings are actual buildings someone can enter/exit

>>750711843
This is what stops me from replaying it, I gave it two plays (one was Phantom Liberty) where I did pretty much all there was to do. Usually I'll return to a game like that at some point but I won't with 2077 and the two main reasons are how dead the game world is and all the walk and talk/drive and talk sections that are so relentlessly dull and padded out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enpgxaWtW30

mod that adds capri

>>750710125
The issue is that its so blatantly smokes and mirrors. All games are, but you HAVE TO MAKE AN EFFORT. For such a great overworld, NPCs being such obvious bots are an issue that detracts the graphically 10/10 world into 6,5/10. Have them exit and enter buildings. Have them interact with vendors pretending to buy something. Have them interact with eachother beyond just scripted "these 2 npcs are here talking to eachother". Have interactive world events like gangs fighting eachother, a car fleeing from NCPD, guys fleeing an alleyway voicing how they were lucky to flee from cops/another gang, NPCs ordering cars like you do, NPCs getting angry about you bumping into their car and getting out for fisticuffs, have hidden sidequests triggered by being in place X and so much more. The game feels more like a static 3d model instead of actual world. Like the other anon said, look at RDR2 for how to make much better open world.

Does everyone die in edgerunners 2? Because im not watching it if everyone dies again

Cyberpunk is so popular and loved that threads can last days lol It must be a really great game with a lot of fun gameplay lololololol

>>750712959
the sarcasm is clear, but yes, it is one of those games that has a rabid cult primarily because its most diehard fans have internalized a much more impressive and interesting version of it than the actual product. this is pretty common with games that had much more potential than was realized. as a great man once said, "many such cases"

that said, I hope Orion sucks less. as someone who was very disappointed with, but still played 2077, I wonder how many people are like me: not willing to be an embarrassing cultist apologist for 2077 but also willing to give CDPR the benefit of the doubt and entertain the idea that Orion will be a better attempt. maybe it's too charitable, but 2077 felt like they were trying a lot of things that were new to them, and now they've at least had the chance to learn a bit

>>750713514
Phantom Liberty improved over base game in a lot of aspects, they are moving in right direction