Post your wishlist:>more grounded OST than the PSP port>no censorship>extra Maya content
Persona started at 3
>>750772258I thought a remake of Persona 1 would be a great opportunity to combine the Japanese and American releases into some parallel universe bullshit. You would be able to have Masao AND Mark on the same team, shit like that.
>>750772258No social links please
Delete all copies of EP and send the story into the voidIS is the only persona 2
>>750772258Every concept for a major change they have should be put up to vote by verified owners of the original games.
>>750772258Take the structure of 1/2 but remake the combat, demon recruitment/fusion, and dungeons.No calendar shit. However there's a light relationship system based on dialogue choices and combat interactions, and after every dungeon the party takes a break or makes camp and you can have conversations.OST, aesthetic, and atmosphere should be as faithful to the originals as possible.
>>750772258Defend this
>>750774870The leak implied that they'll turn some of the party dialogs for each room into social link-esque cutscenes, also it seems there will be rotatable party members instead of having 4 party mandatory party members while the 5th one is determined by how late you decide to pick the party member or meeting the conditions for Reiji
Add a classic localization option to the game.
>>750772258Bring the nazi symbolism back.
>>750772258>Snow Queen isn't a DLC>Satomi and Tamaki don't get removed>Fusion skills of Persona 2 are kept instead of of being replaced with All Out Attacks>Demon Negotiation gets expanded to work closer like SMT IV or V>Make the conditions to get the Sengoku Personas more obvious>Keep Hitler with sunglasses>Keep Lisa's backstory>Keep the additional Tatsuya scenario from the PSP remake and not have it be DLC>Have multiple OST options for Persona 1 instead of just being stuck with a remix of the original PS1 OST or a remix of the PSP release>Add more rumor options in the Persona 2 duologyAlso even though it's racist and I'll probably won't use it I just want to have the western translation redesings available as skins because it would be really fucking funny and I doubt anyone who actually play games would be offended by it
HE WON
Maya not being a silent protagonist in EP anymore.
>>750777835Reminder
>>750774943high kegare post
>>750778098I want the translation redesigns because the American Persona was the first one I ever beat. They should do it for me, the one psycho who looks fondly on that version.
>>750778178Every Persona protagonist is silent, I don't think they are going to change that.
Remove the Jun romance because fuck faggots, they deserve nothing.Don't actually. But I find them always constantly pulling Jun as a reason to turn Naoto into a tranny to be one of the most annoying things ever and I don't want them to have it.
>>750777584Because JRPGs were really niche back in the day and they wanted the series to be more palatable to western audiences because nobody knew what a fucking weeb was
The P2 games have really weird amd messy plots. Hopefully they can separate the wheat from the chaff and make an actual decent story using the good ideas and ditch the crap.
>>750772258Make Hitler and Steven fight each other.
>>750772258Since this is probably being made by the same team that did the P3 and P4 remakes, just what are the other teams at Atlus doing?I'd imagine the Nocturne Maniax / SMT IV / Raidou team are making a Raidou 2 remaster/remakeThe Persona 3~5 / Digital Devil Saga* / Metaphor teams are making a Metaphor expansion or deluxe editionThe Etrian Odyssey / SMT V team are probably working either in a new Etrian Odyssey or preparing an engine for SMT VIThe Strange Journey* / Tokyo Mirage Sessions / Soul Hackers 2 team are probably desecrating another IPFrom my understanding the Trauma Center / Etrian Odyssey IV / Persona Q team got promoted and are currently helping the Persona remakes teamI'd imagine Persona 6 is being made by both the Persona 5 Royal / Dance All Night team and the Persona 5 Tactica team working together to have as much manpower as possible and guarantee its successThat just leaves the Growlanser / Devil Survivor / Etrian Odyssey Remaster team who seem to be in limbo or something
I wonder if they'll include things from the manga
>>750772258Turn Mark black again and watch the seethe.
>>750778628>visibly annoying guy calling others annoying
It'd be pretty cool if they made the city explorable properly. Not a huge open world but definitely make it more in depth. And not a menu.
Do you think they'll make unique 3D models for each Persona Sprite? Most of these designs weren't used for anything else and there aren't even concept arts for a good chunk of them
>>750779392Shut the fuck up, faggot
>>750778996Even though I'd rather they'd game new games I'd honestly be fine with the SMT V team remaking the first 2 SMT for the SNES and also the Soul Hackers 2 team doing remasters of the Trauma Center series for PC and Switch 2 since I'd imagine a remaster is harder to fuck up.The ones I mostly want to see doing new games are the Devil Survivor guys, I still don't get why it and Growlanser stopped getting games.
I know people hate it, but I hope they let me turn the battle theme into Lone Prayer
>>750772258Please god don't change the static cutscenes, they look so cool
I hope they at least offered to let Satomi Tadashi come back even though they kind of hate him now.
>>750782065It's funny how we reached a point where the anime cutscenes look worse than in engine graphics but then having static artwork ended up being way more interesting.
>>750782131Child Jin is also gay.
>>750782281All shotas are gay
>SHALOM>we came in peace
>>750782358Child Tatsuya has higher testosterone percentuals than an adult male.
>>750782229>even though they kind of hate him nowQuick rundown? All that I remember is that after Digital Devil Saga sold poorly him and Cozy quit, Satomi became a freelance writer whose most notable work was Caligula Effect and Cozy went on to make a new studio called Gaia whose games were published by Atlus, however Gaia would end up filing for bankruptcy and he wouldn't make a game again until really recently when he made a game with studio Compile Heart called Vilion Code which incidentally also had Satomi as head writer. I thought that despite not rehiring for anything they weren't on bad terms as they left Satomi and Tamaki in the PSP remasters of 1 & Innocent Sin in spite him having left the studio by that point.
did this nigga reiji just summon janemba
>>750772258they won't get remakes, and if they did it's going to be persona 5 green and persona 5 dark red
>>750772258Persona 1 and 2 don't exist.
>>750772258I hope they don't completely abandon the psp ost to be more like psx ost because this shit isn't that great
what the fuck I just looked up the requirements to recruit reiji
>>750772258I hope they fix Igor's penis nose.
>>750772258>no censorshipLmao with current year atlus? Good luck with that wish buddy.
>>750772258Did Atlus ever explain why Mark and Ayase don't show up in Persona 2 besides the in-lore reason of them being iirc in another country? >>750783097It's not that complicated as long as you make sure to interact with everything, the biggest issue is not knowing that if you pick anyone beforehand to be your 5th party member gets stuck there permanently making you lose Reiji as the intention for the devs is for you to play multiple times.>Brown: immediate option that's good for combat>Elly: 2nd option that gives you more occultism lore of all the demons you encounter, foreshadowes some stuff for the Persona 2 duology>Reiji: Hardest to get as unlike the rest requires you to meet certain conditions before hand before you re-encounter him and after rejecting the previous 2 in your party, is the most plot-related party member out of the 4>Ayase: The worst party member mechanically and pretty much a punishment for you failing to obtain Reiji
>>750783662>>Brown: immediate option that's good for combatI didn't think it would have even let you reject him when he offered to join so I didn't bother to try. Then I found out I missed out on the others.
>>750783662I'll be honest I forgot all about ayase my plan is to just finish sebec route with brown, then recruit eriko for a snow queen run then do another sebec run with reijikinda sucks that there are no ng+ bonuses
>>750772258I am playing Persona 2 on psp emulator right now but it's boring because it is way too easy.
>>750784195try playing on hard mode instead of easy :^)
bring back black Mark
>>750784195I found it to be around the same difficulty of every other Persona game I played (have yet to play 5), I find all of the Persona games to be considerably easier than an usual SMT game, the only fight I remember having some trouble in 2 was the ayylmaos here >>750782545 since they all look identical making it initially hard to remember which one had each weakness when the camera moves for an attack, in 3 I only had trouble against the optional Elizabeth fight which was insanely fucking hard, in 1 I found the Snow Queen route to have a fair difficulty like the usual SMT games.Can't help but feel that the easier difficulty is an overcorrection due to If reception since the goal of that game was to be a gateway for normal non-kodomo JRPG fans to SMT but failed miserably, so Persona was their 2nd attempt and was successful enough to be turned into a franchise then turned into their most successful franchise ever from 3 onward.
>>750784537I am but enemies aren't doing any damage. They do like 15 damage per hit. PS1 version has nice difficulty, but I wanted to play Innocent Sin first>>750784813That's unfortunate honestly, game being too easy makes it really boring.
huh, smt 5 reverse fusion is literally just guided fusion from persona 1
We don't need or want P1 nor P2-1 nor P2-2 remakes
>>750786024worst girl right below futaba
>Hitler comes back because you kept calling people literally hitler onlineRumours becoming true was the most cool part of early persona games. It's far more interesting than anything 3-5 did story-wise
>>750786084>People keep on insisting OP is a fag>He actually is one, 100% of the timeHoly kino...
>>750786059stfu, stupei
>>750786084>early persona gamesWhy are you lumping 1 together with the 2 duology? Or do you mean the mirror world counterparts since the rumor idea of 2 was sort of a narrative evolution from that?I wish another game made use of the rumor mechanic, with this era of information it lends itself well, the way conspiracy theories directly affected world of Persona 2 was awesome and also how you could use it as a mechanic by rewriting people's backstories to turn city spots into weapon shops. Persona 3 still has the best story imo but the parties of 2's duology and the rumor as a backdrop was really damn fun.
>>750772258>Post your wishlist for a P1 & P2 remake:Wish: Don't.Don't remake them.They're straight up hot garbage.If they are forced to remake them, I want the P1 PSP soundtrack as the ONLY soundtrack and I want the game to be unmoddable. And I want them to do the same exact treatment to P2 and give it a P1 PSP tier soundtrack. I'll still hate the games, but I'll at least have some banger music from them, the only half-decent reason to like P1. Cringe and gay old boomer fucks who want video game bleep bloop sounds of the originals can fuck right off and die of old age
>>750786341>Persona 3 still has the best storyNo ot doesn't. You may argue that it has the best narrative, but the story is shit
>>750779392I find him less annoying than you.
Is Atlus the AAA studio that has remained the most consistently autheur besides maybe FromSoftware? I mean both aren't as autheur anymore since Atlus milks Persona with a high output of spin-offs and FromSoftware mostly just does souls-style games and Armored Core but compared to other big studios I'd say so.I'm just bringing this up as a roundabout way to link the developer rant of Satoru to Erika by Atlus because it's hilarious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOb1iMMUSqc
>>750772258they scrap what they have and bring back the 1st person dungeon crawling and the grid based battles p3 ruined the series
>>750787074Their last first person game was the Etrian Odyssey remakes right?
They completely missed the opportunity to call the P1 remake "Persona: Revelations" to reference the English release and to make the titling fall in line with the other R titles of Royal, Reload, and Revival.
>>750787195from what i remember, its sad to see the mainline and all spin offs kill the first person dungeon crawling.
Do you people really like first person dungeon crawaling or are you just being contrarian? Because I've always hated it. I hated in wizardry, I hated it in persona
>>750787786Based! SMT started at Nocturne and Strange Journey fucking SUCKS.
>>750772258You already know you're getting none of that.
>>750787786its great, peaked with games like Etrian Odyssey on the ds/3ds where you could make your own map
>>750788080Damn. Never understood the appeal
>>750787786It's a little clunkier than third person dungeon crawling but I don't mind it at all. I've enjoyed EO, Persona Q, Labyrinth of Refrain
>>750786371baited nobody award
>>750777584It's genuinely funny as shit and we got two cakes so there's no reason to complain.They don't even have to make it officially for the remake because it 100% will get modded in like FeMC and Just A Phase.
>>750788229I'm being serious.
>>750788160thats fine, everyone doesnt have to like everything anon.dont get me wrong though I like 3rd person stuff as well, its just that p3/4 was worse for being 3rd person and only 5 warranted it
>>750787786I really like them, Kowloon Highschool Chronicle originally published by Atlus is my favorite Japanese one besides SMT 2, but I don't mind dungeon crawlers in the style of Mystery Dungeon or 3rd person ones like modern SMT, all that matters is that the dungeon design is good. In that regard Persona 3 and 4 suck because of the whole procedurely generated dungeons being really bland, but that has nothing to do with the camera.As long as the dungeon design is good I really don't mind this being 3rd person or 1st person.
>>750787786I like smt1I do not like etryian odyssey
>>750772258Think they'll ever port any of the 3ds games and remasters to modern consoles?
>>750788853It seems like money on the table not too. Even Castlavinia eventually did and Konami's way dumber than Atlus.
>P1 turned into a reskin of 5 right down to the one more battle system instead of the grid based kinoThis is the worst timeline.
>>750787786I've only enjoyed in moero chronicle
I want full remakes of all three games. I also want a Persona 0 remake of Shin Megami Tensei If
>>750788853They should. Remake all the SMT games with the SMTV engine. Anything persona gets Persona 5'd. Then they have immortal, timeless games that can always be played with decent graphics and all the content. Oh, they need to include ALL THE CONTENT. No cut shit. Do it ALL, the right way, the first time. None of this "It's a mish mash of all the best content" that Persona 3 suffered from.
>DLC>Igor says that he's noticed a time/space anomaly in the Thanatos Tower>Go there>P3MC superboss>Beat him>He joins your party.
>>750778178This. It's jarring to go from outgoing Maya in IS to her being completely silent in EP. Tatsuya being a silent protagonist is more fitting, but I liked his personality in EP, and wouldn't mind him being like that in IS too.
>>750789149Well it's not quite the same Maya. There's gonna be personality differences between the two, I think. Maybe EP Maya is just quieter than IS Maya.
please keep vocal tracks to a minimumespecially with how WACK the remixes are in 3R and 4R
>>750772258Atlus not being jews and selling the P2 dulogy piecemeal. If they combine IS and EP into one game the average playtime would be as long as a nusona game without adding extra padding and a social system but the P1 remake is rearing its ugly head with that shit.
Igor better have his iconic Bone Phone.
>>750772258hag sex like mark dreamed of
Do you think they'll change or expand on the rumor system in P2? Guess they can add some more sidequests associated with it.
>>750789757Probably add more sidequests that require you to use rumors to affect reality and expand on the rumormongers' personalities but reminder that Persona 2's remake isn't in development, they'll probably take feedbacl from 1's remake first to decide how to go about it
>>750788853I would lose it for 4 and 4a (I haven't played SJ yet)
Who cares we have the original fan translated now.
Is there any character or Persona from the first 3 games that you're hoping gets more porn now?
>>750789149Okay but you realize that's just an abstraction right? Silent MC's are only silent because they represent the player. With exception they're rarely actually mute. You're just supposed to use your imagination a bit. And even in EP Maya tends to gesture a good deal and you have other options.
>>750790623ErikoLisa
A direct port of the psp would probably be betterI really believe they will fuck this up
>>750790764Lisa is going to break people
>>750786084It hits to close to home for some people>kotodama, you know?
>>750791036I'd rather not think about that
>>750791036Get lost, blondie. Tatsuya is Maya's property.
>>750791386he's not the one who penetrated her
>>750772258but I want them to keep the censorship because it's funny
>>750791750>First time you see Fuhrer he's got his shades on>Immediately looks at the camera and throws them off
Are you ready to punch nazis, /v/?
>>750791869Can I summon Hellboy?
>>750772742Casual
>>750791869It would be kino if they made Hitler shoot himself in the head to summon his Persona like in 3.
>>750772258>Hitler-sama...>I kneel...
I really hope there's no stupid navigator. This annoys the shit out of me in every game it's in.>WOW! YOU USED THE WEAKNESS! I'M GLAD I TOLD YOU IN CASE YOU MISSED THE GIANT FUCKING WEAKNESS LOGO AND THE ENEMY BEING ON THE GROUND! >OH NO! SO AND SO NEEDS TO HEAL! GLAD YOU HAD ME TO TELL YOU? I'M NOT SURE YOU NOTICED FROM THEM BEING IN OBVIOUS PAIN AND HAVING LOW NUMBERS!
>>750772258>no censorshipThe sunglasses are soulful.
>>750772258>>750792253The king of chuds like Adachi
I heard a rumor the remake's going to be the best game in the series.
>>750772258I want the games to have good gameplay since the original games have worse gameplay than MT2, a game from 1990
>>750793214It'll change the entire future of the franchise. Rumor has it anyways.
>>750772258I want to play Hitler fighting asian schoolkids.
>>750772742It will now start with 1, a huge influx of Persona 1 fans will finally be able to experience the game for the first time.
>>750772742What's up with cases like Persona, Team Fortress and Friday the 13th were "fans" seem to have a visceral hatred for the first entries, I get there being a break through entry that made the franchise overwhelmingly popular and most entries after it following its example but I find the hate these games/movies that most of these people haven't even played get to be really weird, like there's nothing wrong with admitting not wanting to play them for being different but they try to unnecessarily turn this into a conflict for some reason.
>>750794615Vice versa I also don't get people that act as if they're superior for playing/watching the original entries but I see more examples for the former.
>>750794615>>750794668What each generation of fan likes about the series is very different
>>750794807That's why I said>like there's nothing wrong with admitting not wanting to play them for being different but they try to unnecessarily turn this into a conflict for some reasonNot wanting to play them isn't weird, it's the making a war of it that's weird.
>>750772258Just fix the fucking gameplay. It's unplayable compared to even SMT I and II
>>750795118>it's the making a war of it that's weird.You must new to this whole internet thing. Hell even before the internet fandoms would war. It'd be weirder if they didn't
>>750795282>You must new to this whole internet thingActually kinda yeah, I've spent most of my life in a small rural town and I mostly just got video games by gift and found info by magazines my siblings bought. Guess I'm not used to it yet.
Will they streamline the Persona fusion mechanic?Persona 1 and 2 have some pretty retarded fusion system while nu-Persona straight up reuses SMT fusion system that already works perfectly.
>>750777584what the fuck is that character design on the left?is he supposed to be some naruto copy?
>>750795567Kei Nanjo keeps mocking him for acting like a chimp by making monkey noise.English localization with black Mark doesn't change that aspect at all.
>>750787786>I hated in wizardryWizardry plays exactly like Final Fantasy 1 and I like both of them.
>>750795421Don't be surprised when you see people who like the exact same game, not getting along either, when infighting is a thing too.
>>750795834what the fuck should I play wizardry
>>750795567>naruto copyHoly retard
>>750796191Naruto invented inventing and was the first work of fiction
>>750792289I don't mind navigators but they definitely should let us turn off their voices during combat, it gets old pretty quickly.
>>750780591Starter and Ultimate Persona will get new models but everything else will probably just be the same bulk of demons they've been using since forever.
>>750786571Pathetic.
>uncs posting their p2/p-2-2 wishlist as if the p1 remake isn't already cancelled
>>750772742Not anymore
>>750787786What's contrarian about it? It lacks the bloat that comes with most third person and isometric RPGs which is great if you're more of a gameplay-first kind of guy with RPGs.
>>750796053You should, but only for historical context moreso than it being an enjoyable game. And I legit have no idea what the fuck anon is on about there, FF1 does NOT play like Wizardry 1 in the slightest other than the most minute simularities and FF1 conceptually being roughly based on it and Ultima.
>>750796053Play the Wizardry games that were published by Atlus, but only on an emulator since those games have the same issue as Shadow Hearts From The New World where the attack animations are really long and unskippable so having a turbo button helps a lot
>>750798989>FF1 does NOT play like Wizardry 1 in the slightestThe later ports of FF1, sure. But the original NES FF1 lifted the spell charge system straight from Wizardry. Sleeping is the only way for mages to recover MP instead of consuming ether.
>>750782229Truly a writer for our generation
>>750782897>I thought that despite not rehiring for anything they weren't on bad terms as they left Satomi and Tamaki in the PSP remasters of 1 & Innocent Sin in spite him having left the studio by that point.Didn't FATLUS specifically hire Satomi as a contractor to write the extra scenario for EP?
>>750800969Yes.
>>750800969Yes, and he's always said he's open to coming back to work on future games. Atlus doesn't hate him, though I suspect Hashino or the nu-sona team just don't like any of the old-sona guys with how much they've tried to avoid referencing old-sona.
https://youtu.be/PKcCiv_ie1s
When can we realistically expect SMT 6?
>>750802198Yes
>>750800231I feel like a Persona 2 remake is going to open the flood gates to the most annoying woke fans.>Tatsuya is bisexual>fight "Führer" as the final boss>EP has an adult cast>EP as girl protag with MayaYou're just going to get the most annoying people even though I think P2 really deserves a remake
>>750802271At a certain point you need to just ignore the fandom. If you can occasionally get a good thread that's enough but don't live for online engagement.
>>750802271The irony of a persona 3fag saying this.
>>750800571>But the original NES FF1 lifted the spell charge system straight from Wizardry.Vancian casting does NOT make play like Wizardry, you goofus.
Is that Trump?
>>750802401But P4 was the BIG normie magnet. For some reason using tactics filtered people when I think it worked pretty well in P3
>>750772258>no censorshipIt's gonna be censored as fuck. It's 2026.
>>750772258>no censorshipyes! homosexual relationship in persona 2! vive la lgbtq+!
>>750801284Oldsona's just kind of inconvenient. First off, Oldsonafags have this strong attachment to Philemon and Nyarlathotep and keep demanding for their return, but they're both incredibly 1-dimensional characters who don't particularly have a lot going for them beyond their very basic schticks. Nyarlathotep is just a shallow "evils of humanity" character who wants to destroy all humanity because that's his prime function. As far as character goes, he doesn't actually have much more depth than Nyx, Izanami or Yaldabaoth. His primary disadvantage is that he's too much of a generalist, whereas the other three are much, much more closely tied to the themes of their respective games.Philemon is just a guide who points you in the right direction. Philemon's entire purpose probably doesn't mesh all that well with what the Nusona team wanted to do. They didn't want a convenient spirit guide who told the player where to go and what to do. They wanted the main characters to be completely lost, unsure of whether they were going in the right direction or not. But Philemon's role is to be a guide. If he doesn't point you towards where you need to go, then he no longer has a purpose. It IS worth pointing out, though, that the Nusona games do actually have guides. P3 has Pharos, P4 has Teddie and P5 has Mona. The important distinction, however, is that none of these character start out knowing the whole story. Even Pharos doesn't actually remember anything. They're guides, but they're only helpful for getting the ball rolling. For the Nusona games, a guide that barely knows anything is much more desirable than a guide that knows everything.The continuity of the Oldsona stories completely hinges on the feud between Philemon and Nyarlathotep. They're at the center of everything. So if the writers don't want to bring either of them back, narrative continuity goes out the window and the new stories end up having absolutely nothing with the old one.
>>750802198Mauye after Persona 6 as to not overshadow it. We don't really what Team Maniax is up to while this is going on.
>>750791036Why?
>>750778996I am surprised by the amount of games smt and persona have locked away on the 3ds that have never seen a rerelease so i would hope a couple of those teams are working on bringing some of those games over>are making a Raidou 2 remaster/remakeDidn't raidou remake flop?
>>750802384We can ignore the woketards but that doesnt mean Atlus will
>>750789492Snow queen quest is going to be a DLC and you know it.
>>750802897So it's only censorship when they exclude things you don't like, right?
>>750772258>>no censorshipi hope they remove hitler just to troll all the niggers who didn't play the games and only refer to p2 as 'the one with hitler in it". not anymore fucker you were too slow.
>>750803130The problem is that even if NuSona doesn't have a GUIDE they do have a WEIRD that it feels like doesn't quite have the impact it should when the player can fuck around and go eat noodles. It just strikes me as especially bizarre that the parties find the most amazing thing to happen in the history of ever and they basically don't give a fuck if it's not an immediate threat and even in the instances where it is they really don't have much of sense of urgency. The fucktards in 5 get more excited when they get cash to burn on sushi than the greatest mystery the human race has ever faced. And while Phil and Nyarly aren't exactly complex characters they do still have more presence and agency than the later games last act reveal of collective unconscious bullshit.
>>750805023Well they're most just dumb kids. The P4 and P5 cast are especially shown to be kind of retarded.
>>7508051163 kind of has an excuse. The Dark Hour puts a real time limit on things and for all the party is concerned there are adults looking into things but it doesn't even feel like 4 and 5 are even curious. The potential for shenanigans in 5 was especially high.
>>750805241Palaces have a bit of a limit. Once you take the Treasure, they fall apart and you can't return to them. Akechi was the only one taking advantage of them, and he explicitly didn't go after the Palace Rulers prior to infiltrating the Phantom Thieves.Of course, gameplay wise, the majority of our loot actually comes from Mementos, but I don't think canonically we're supposed to look at it as some sort of treasure trove. It's just a bunch of train tracks.
>eating in front of a corpse and goofing around while people are getting killed and crying for help in the backgroundhah I like this group already
>>750805403The p1 group is hardcore. That dude's just luck there's not a casino in sight.
>>750805116And P1's cast isn't? Minus Nanjo, they're all fucking retarded assholes who constantly make fun of each other, and Elly even thinks she's a chosen one since she got Persona powers. But despite that they're by far the cast with the most agency that takes what happens the most seriously, when shit goes down the first thing they do is raid a police station for guns. Obviously this is more of a result of P1 having actual stakes instead of doing the retarded thing of P3-5 where everything interesting is in a dumb fantasy world, and the calendar system forcing the games to have the most glacial story pacing ever. But it just adds to why the later persona game parties just feel like they don't actually care about the world they're in and like they have zero agency.
>>750805353Well it's not like I really expect them to actively fuck with people, especially if they don't deserve it. It just seems like the brain diving thing wasn't really explored as well as it could have been. Like Imagine if the social links weren't you just talking around malls and stuff but you pulling an Ar Tonelico and going into your friends minds. Why not go into different subconsciousness..es to have more of an impact outside the current target dungeon.
>>750805403>>750805526The poses give me hope they'll lean more into "Naoya" being kind of an apathetic lazy asshole that just happens to be the best option for a leader among their group of conflicting personalities.
>>750805542There's nothing the P3, P4 and P5 cast can reasonably do. In P3, everything is barred by the Full Moon. It's literally impossible to be more proactive. The only thing they can reasonably do is keep exploring Tartarus, but that has limits. Their hands are completely tied. And even if they wanted to track down Strega, they can't fucking find the guys. In P4, the TV world was basically designed by the devs to be impossible to search for clues in. They could search every nook and cranny, but they'd NEVER find anything that leads them to Adachi or Izanami. I mean the only reason Adachi got caught at all was because the devs realized they wrote themselves into a corner and the Investigation Team had absolutely no fucking means of linking anything to him unless he fucked up on his own and let something slip. Despite P4 selling itself as a murder mystery, it is fucking IMPOSSIBLE to really find any clues at all in the TV World.P5's in a similar boat. The way the Metaverse App works is that you home in on a specific target and look for keywords that might link to their Palace. Prior to then, the Phantom Thieves have no means whatsoever of figuring out who has a Palace and who doesn't. They CAN search for targets in Mementos, but no one in Mementos has a proper Palace, nor do they have any links to Yaldabaoth.Even if you transferred the P1 cast into the Nusona games, their hands would be tied just the same. The settings of these games are very deliberately designed to prevent anyone from making any meaningful progress on their own terms. It doesn't matter how competent you are, you can't actually force the Full Moon bosses from appearing any faster than they already do, nor can you actually find any meaningful clues in the TV World, nor can you pinpoint Palace Rulers without their keywords.
>>750805542I give 3 more slack because there is more a sense of looming threat because of the way the full moon bosses work. In 3 you know something scary is coming and basically need to prepare for it through the tower. The dark hour also does have an effect on the outside world. It really is just a simple case of framing it but 3 makes it seem like a countdown while 4 and 5 make it seem like you're not in a hurry.
>>750805403was that last segment in the og as well? I like their dynamic if it was
>>750805620Because only very specific individuals can get pinged by the Metaverse app. Even if you entered their details into it, you probably won't get any results. The only one who got a ping was Mishima. Basically, the only Shadows you can find in Mementos are those who have the potential to form their own Palace.
>>750805921Whole scene is new.Also iirc that team composition is impossible to have in the og, you have to choose between the blonde gal and the red-haired guy.
>>750805938>>750805620See, you're not wrong, but I don't think you understand what people are actually saying. All of that is true, but that's also part of the point. The game puts more effort into trying to excuse why the player can't explore more in depth than they did actually exploring in depth. They could have written it any way they wanted and they chose to make it the most limited thing possible. And even if we accept those limitations it doesn't change how little the characters tend to reflect on what's happening around them. Their hands might be tied but they don't really seem to express a sense of wonder and curiosity. There's no heavy thought or discussion. They're simply to quick to shrug and call it day.
>>750806050Elly, Brown and Ayase can't be in the party. So you have three people who can't exist together.
>>750806067You're not wrong. Though I kind of feel like the writers did cover their asses by making the Phantom Thieves a bunch of retards. I can't even remotely imagine Ryuji or Ann really wrapping their heads around how absurd this shit is. They don't have the intelligence to really form any sort of discussion about it.Now, granted, the P3 gang actually do have questions about the Dark Hour from the start, but the only response they got from Akihiko was that they were trying to figure that very thing out. They bought it for a while, until Yukari started to suspect things, and then eventually Mitsuru admitted that it was all her grandpa's fault. The curiosity was there, but since the closest things they had the authorities told them "They didn't really know" (which was technically the truth, since even if they knew WHO was responsible, they didn't know WHY it happened), there wasn't much they could really do about it. At the very least, Yukari and Junpei were always curious about it. Junpei just gave up trying to figure it out because he knew it was way above his IQ.
>>750786912Atlus hasn't been auteur since the 2000s IMO. It wouldn't be possible to survive as an auteur studio for anyone after those days anyway. That's why every jap dev folded 15 years ago and the few that survived got stuck being rehash farms. Catherine was the last really out there thing they bothered to do before Personification became an exclusive studio mandate
>>750806267There's not even much of an emotional response. Nobody's at all excited or scared of all that they learn. Combine that with a lack of personal stories and nobody really seems to care much about anything. Dungeon crawling feels like it's getting in the way of the life sim.
The velvet room is going to have diegetic music once again with Belladonna and Nameless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGqoPQZyUsk
>>750806712>The party will get to chill with Igor again
>>750779045I like the dead twin subplot, it adds a lot depth to the MC who otherwise is just a walking cardboard in the game.
>>750806712>Sudden gymnopedie in the velvet roomFuck, I swear that's my weak spot, no matter where does it play(mother 3, persona 2, killer 7, gran turismo, Haruhi, Princess tutu, Komi-san) it is such a timeless masterpiece.
>>750806858I wonder if they'll change anything about the group being able to wield multiple personas and all visit the velvet room.Would that just mean the P1 and P2 groups are just simply better?
>>750807830>Would that just mean the P1 and P2 groups are just simply better?No, i'm pretty sure it's a restriction Phil Coleman put on the whole Persona system after the whole Innocent Sin/Eternal Punishment clusterfuck.So less being outright superior and more working under different rulesets.
>>750807830Pros and cons. In P1/P2, the Velvet Room gave standard, uniform services to all who enter. Starting from P3, however, the Velvet Room enters an exclusivity contract with a single individual. Only contracted Persona Users are granted access usually. Less guests, but the quality of service goes through the roof. I think it's still possible to support more Persona Users, but it's obvious that different Persona Users have different levels of quality. Under normal circumstances, it's not possible to use multiple Personas at all without the Velvet Room, whereas Wild Cards can do so with or without. It's just that without the Velvet Room, they can't cultivate their powers fully, so even if they have multiple Personas, they're not as strong.Mechanics-wise, I think it's just about balance. Persona 3 wanted to give the player as much freedom as possible in constructing their Personas, but balance falls apart if you can equip them onto any party members. I think you can still make it work if you restrict how much customization you can give each character. P1 and P2 were pretty damn restrictive at that. On top of not really having that much freedom in regards to how a Persona turns out, each character has limitations on what Arcana they can use. So if you want everyone to use multiple Personas, all you'd need to do is limit their skill customization options and Persona affinities. Soul Hackers 2 provides a good proof of concept for the premise. Combat mechanics-wise, that game is practically what a modern version of P1/P2 might look like.
Mandatory demon negotiation was fucking gay
>>750772258>more grounded OST than the PSP portArranged soundtrack based on PS1, with options for original and PSP (or even as dlc) seems likely. Every Persona game needs costumes and bgms from the other games these days
>>750791036she looks like she fucks old men for money
Only real issue is that if they use the fusion system, they might not have Igor call the demons on his cellphone.
A part of me wants the Fuhrer back in the Aviators.
>>750809432Put him in a different kind of disguise. Like he's got pilot goggles on this time.
I wonder if they'll update the Persona list. P1 isn't actually a long enough game to justify having as many Personas as the Nusona games, so 100 Personas might still be fine even in a remake. They should restructure the lists though. Some tarots only have a single Persona.
>>750803130Nyarlathotep's a generalist in concept but in execution he's got the most to do with every major character, all that needling of the party with shadows and Xilbalba/their dads is all him even if it's not directly upfront about his involvement, but when he does get personally involved it makes everything else fall into place, not just his own designs but his own downfall (Ms Ideal in IS, Tatsuya in EP)Which is about as closely tied to the theme of P1 and 2 as it gets, the overcoming of our self-destructive tendencies to achieve whole personhood/adulthood (and more esoterically Freud vs Jung), but even if you do consider that to be too general and fairly so, I think you have to forgive them for that to some degree by virtue of them taking the time to establish those things from the start, it's not like you can just drop the average player into a game and expect an appreciation for basically any of the source material, not just Jung but all the occultism and mythologyIt's good that later games dig into more specific elements of that overarching narrative/struggle, but only 3 really explores what their issue is and what it requires (Handling Thanatos = A lot of work), by 5 it's basically parodical how humdrum the work of the Phantom Thieves is ("People are giving up free will again"), but you can't really put all the blame on the writers for that, the market is hungry for spinoffs>a guide that knows everything.Not something I'd associate with Philemon, certainly not in Innocent SinHe drops in to hand you a Persona and point you in a direction but he's so hands off it ends up biting everyone in the ass including himself, EP really doesn't do enough to interrogate Phil's culpability because the most of the cast has amnesia and other fish to fryI do subscribe to the theory that it explains why P3 and onward are so different though, especially how each of the later guides develop their own egos and take a more personal approach to things, for good or ill
I hate character limits>>750809853Not just personas but demons/enemies as well, at least in P1Justice for Dribbler
>>750810150>Tatsuya being held up by ApolloWestern fanart is truly strange...
This leaked months ago, the names are Origins and Duality
>>750806050>>750806120wait wtf, you mean outside of the kid in yellow hat, you can only have one of the trio in the party like it's fucking pokemon?? That suck. I hope they change that considering 9 party members are common in the later personas. They look like good friends in that cutscene
>>750809881Philemon more or less knows everything that's going on, he just limits how much he tells you. After P2, we can no longer really trust him, meaning his effectiveness as a guide is shattered anyway. He's impossible to sympathize with.Pharos is, for all intents and purposes, a recontextualization of Philemon's archetype. He guides the player character and also acts as their other self. He doesn't necessarily know everything (since he doesn't remember his true role), but he understands enough to help things move forward. Even his relationship with Nyx is something of a subversion of the relationship between Philemon and Nyarlathotep. The latter are ultimately two sides of the same coin, reflections of humanity in opposite extremes in opposition to one another by the very nature of their relationship. The conflicts in the game came about as a direct result of their feud. In contrast, where Pharos/Ryoji and Nyx are ultimately the same entity and embodiments of the same principle, they are ultimately opposed. Ryoji has no means to fight against Nyx's awakening, but he also doesn't want humanity to die. Pharos and Nyx functioned as the protagonist's spiritual guide from beginning to end, both as the reason for their journey as well as their other self (albeit through artificial means).Even Pharos/Ryoji/Thanatos serving as the protagonist's Shadow/Persona is a a recontextualization of Kandori and Joker's relationships with Nyarlathotep. Death is the protagonist's enemy, his reflection, and his most ardent supporter.If you think about it, P3 really does feel like a remix of elements and themes from P1/P2. That's probably why the final boss's theme is a remix of the Velvet Room theme.
Large Persona 1 & 2 fans excited to finally play the games* for the first time! "I can't wait to see Mark dance crazy and I hope he's not raceswapped!" exclaims persona2hitlerfan69 on twitter.*remakes
>>750810324No. You get five. Four are chosen by the plot with your fifth being one you pick based on your actions.
>>750810339>for the first time!Just like you were excited to make that joke for the first time!
>>750791036She's a great filter to chuds and retards.
>>750772258Trish sexo
>>750772258sex with best hag Maya
>>750810587Clean your room
>>750778098Why do retards like you and the OP bring up the OST when you fucking know they're redoing the entire fucking thing from scratch? It's not a fan beloved game where they just NEED to keep the old songs with a new singer. The entire thing is going to be brand new.
>>750810596Did my weekly cleaning this morning, and washed my sheets and blankets too since the month ended
>>750810654I meant Maya. Her room a pigsty.
>>750789124>Remake all the SMT games with the SMTV engineThey already have a 4K modern model of Demifiend so SMT 3 would be the first remake, then 4 (with Apocalypse... As $40 DLC because Atlus is like that) and then MAYBE they'll remake 1 and 2. Personally, I'd like for them to remake Digital Devil Saga but that's just me.
>>750803142She's a real drug addict whore. Not even kidding.
>>750772258As much as i want this, Adolf is not going to happen.
>>750810689Fucking kek, I want to see her nasty girlfailure room in hd. I hope instead of just papers and clothes everywhere they also add tons of takeout containers, piss bottles, and a clogged toilet
>>750777584Standart american localization. You can't tell a mutt there's a world without blacks, he's not going to comprehend IT.
>>750810596This is the women everyone falls in love with
>>750805526P1 still had traces of MT in it where the protagonist reminds me of a silent Nakajima a bit
>>750810326>Mitsuru's Grandpa was basically another Kandori.>The Kirijo Group's motto, "Two in harmony surpass one in perfection" is a direct challenge to Kei's own motto and way of life. Mitsuru, likewise, is in many ways designed to be Kei's opposite despite following some of the same story beats.>The protagonist appears to be deliberately designed to look similar to the protagonist of P1. His origins being rooted in childhood trauma and his relationship with Death seems similar to Tatsuya and Jun, while at the same time being a deliberate subversion.>The story as a whole seems to be very, very loosely based off the Snow Queen Quest>Takaya seems to be loosely modeled after Sudou Tatsuya. Despite having a similar name to the protagonist of IS, their links are extremely weak and they don't really seem to have a strong reaction to one another. Even though Takaya's Persona is Hypnos, the brother of Thanatos, this is ultimately completely irrelevant, similar to how Sudou's Persona being a dark Apollo is ultimately irrelevant as well.>The girl that the Anti-Shadow Weapons are modeled after seems to be loosely inspired by Maki. She was a bedridden girl who couldn't move or even speak. The origins of the Anti-Shadow Weapon tech were initially to give her a means of interacting with the world. Even now, she can only see the world through their eyes.>Junpei has the same Persona as Jun, Hermes. This is likely just an easter egg though, since aside from his poor relationship with his dad, they two have largely nothing in common. Honestly, they're more like total opposites.>Episode Aigis seems to have a number of callbacks to Eternal Punishment, even evoking many of the same themes.
>>750803142She's a half gaijin living in Japan who doesn't speak a word of English and everyone is judgemental to her because her dad is Steve Segall so she dates old men for money.
>>750810272Lame names.
>>750810832I mean look, do you think YOU'D come out okay if YOUR dad was Steven Segall?
>>750810920No. No I don't suppose I would now would I?
>>750810806A significant number of women have places dirtier and messier than this
>>750810761she also does not care about tatsuya at all, until later in the game, despite being obsessed with him at the start. she only wanted prestige and acknowledgement for dating the hottest guy in school (tatsuya) she's all kinds of fucked up. pretty interesting character
>>750810934I love Fumi's fat tits. God, desu2 had the best girls.
>>750811139>pretty interesting characterNah just a typical foid which is rare for a Japanese game I guess. All women are drug addicted whore irl so it's whatever
The EN dub will be hilarious with everyone mentioning the Fuhrer (who has a stereotypical exaggerated German accent)Game is 100% getting banned in Germany lmao
>>750772258>more grounded OST than the PSP portisn't that pretty much confirmed going by the leak
>>750811215I mean, holy damn.
>>750810326>Philemon more or less knows everything that's going on"more or less" being the difference between entire timelines, he seemed taken aback at the end of IS>After P2, we can no longer really trust him, meaning his effectiveness as a guide is shattered anyway. He's impossible to sympathize with.That strikes me as a pretty interesting angle, considering how engrained into the system (humanity's collective souls) he is and how he still has an indirect hand in everythingLike it definitely verges on SMT's Neutral routes but having to deal with something so important to humanity's success that's also fatally flawed sounds like perfectly fertile ground for storytellingHell it's arguably what happens with Pharos, Teddie, Mona, even characters like Aigis and Sophie to a degree, they fail miserably at a point and have to build that trust back up, you could even say that's what Phil is attempting to do by allowing EP to happen at all but the fact that nobody's buying that is interesting in itselfNow I don't think you could hang an entire game off of Phil's Big Personal Redemption Arc, even the later games with their similar arcs don't do that, but his character and concept are one of the many elements of Oldsona that I don't think should be dismissed as an inconvenience (at least from a writing perspective, I know from a player perspective I'm in the minority)>Pharos and Nyx functioned as the protagonist's spiritual guide from beginning to end, both as the reason for their journey as well as their other selfThere's the other half of it to consider, Pharos interacting with the protagonist/humanity is what allows him to develop an ego and enough of a perspective to oppose Nyx as Ryoji, humanity affecting the CU is just as important as the CU affecting humanity, it's basically the entire premise of the franchiseI'm late to that other discussion about characters being interested in the mythos of the setting but I really like in 2 how they explore that
>>750810631Because they're entirely different soundtracks, you retard.
>>750811283>Game is 100% getting banned in GermanyThey stopped doing that a few years ago
>>750811368I wonder if there will be any consequences to Igor pulling the same game with Yaldy as Phil with Nyarly.
>>750811368I don't think Philemon can have a redemption, because he's ultimately just a side of humanity. He can only change if humanity changes, basically.What Pharos/Ryoji have over Philemon is that his personality was never really set in stone. He had a function, but that function didn't demand a specific personality for him, giving him a lot of freedom in terms of how he might turn out. But since Philemon's whole thing is being humanity's guide to enlightenment, he kinda does have to look down on humanity from up high. He's not malevolent, but his personality is just a fundamental element of his existence, much like how Nyarlathotep is humanity's malice given form. If he ever had a change of heart, then he wouldn't be the embodiment of malice anymore.
Best girl
>>750811523I'd say the big difference is that Nyarlathop seems to understand humanity better. How else could he so easily fuck with us. Phil basically just says "here's a persona. don't fuck up." And then we fuck up. Phil needs to learn more about humanity so he can guide them. That's grounds for redemption.
Something I like and miss om the old games is when you'd just sort of see demons and the like just kind of hanging around the city.
>>750811390Oh dang, I'm still in the HoI4 mindset.
I hope they put romance into the p1 remake, I wanna fuck Elly.
I would like a full remake of both 1 and the 2 duology, but to even think of selling they would need to add the social link system.Metaphor proved that waifus and social links are the only reason Persona games sell. It is sad and i wish it was other wise. But modern Persona fans would not buy the traditional jrpg formula of the first in the franchise.
>>750803190>I am surprised by the amount of games smt and persona have locked away on the 3ds that have never seen a rerelease They're all easily emulatable so it doesn't matter
>>750811878The manga author was a massive Elly fag
>New remix of>RONE PREARRRRRYou know i want it so bad now.
>>750803136Why would SMT 6 overshadow Persona 6
>>750811995I believe he meant the reverse
>>750811867Going from that video, it looks like Atlus is experimenting with a new social link system for the remake. It sucks for old fans, but Atlus is going to go for whatever makes them the most money, even if that means adding social links to older games.
>>750811995SMT will once again have better tech and graphics than Persona, just like it happened with SMT5 vs. everything else Altus put out
>>750812153I've accepted there will always be social links. It's the calendar and life sim business that would rub me the wrong way. You can easily put in some kind of affection system. Devil Survivor did it too and it worked well for that, though it didn't go full dating sim.
>>750811368contYou get inklings with it in Philemon and Nyarlathotep but for me it's more about how they actively exploit it with rumours and get it exploited back at them, it's really cool narratively even if it's not all that satisfying mechanically (though it still has its moments, just not in changing persona movesets)>>750810826There's a lot of that throughout the series, but I do find it interesting how it also functions as a wrapping up the influences of both Freud and Jung, you've got Freud's later work on religiosity (after his work on the Death Drive) feeding into P3 straight up involving true and false Messiahs, and Jung's own near death experience whose hallucinations involved going up to a rocky temple in space and would have achieved his perfect self if not for the fact he lived, the parallel there being pretty obviousI kind of wish that sort of thing carried forth into 4 and 5 but in a way it's almost a fitting trilogy the way it is, Death is Change in the end>>750811523>He had a function, but that function didn't demand a specific personality for him, giving him a lot of freedom in terms of how he might turn out.Pharos/Ryoji is what he is because he's a small enough part of a greater whole that he could be influenced by experiences and emotions on a scale slightly bigger than him, aka the protagonist's daily life, so the more of "himself" that he becomes by remembering and having the Full Moon Shadows recoalesce, the more his "persona" comes into conflict with his "true self", as a reverse of what persona users experienceI think you could argue that's why Phil and Nyarly experience their "downfalls", they develop just enough of a sliver of ego due to their interactions at Tatsuya's/Maya's scale that they make mistakes and bad moves, but I admit that's getting into "I want this to be deeper than it actually is" territoryThat's the kind of exploration I'd like to see in these remakes, there's enough of a (retroactive) precedent for that idea
>>750812228Sadly the Persona brand demands that there be some kind of life sim stuff in it. Just like how you expect there to be demons in a SMT game.
>>750811634Nyarly fucks with us easier because self-destruction is easier, even if you do the bare minimum of doing things that aren't actively detrimental to yourself (and that's a vague and surprisingly high bar already), you've always got Memento Mori in mind because if you don't destroy yourself first, the universe destroys you anyway, which can be a bit demoralizingPhil isn't the opposite of that or a denial, he's more of the "Yeah, and?" response, Living with Determination as it were, it's about channeling elements of yourself, including your shadows, into productive parts that will leave you satisfied with life and able to do what you willSo he's not even inherently positive because evil persona users exist, and combine that with the fact that a guide can only take you so far in life, because you ultimately have to be the one to live your life on your own terms, he's actually in a pretty fucky position because he can't do too much without defeating his whole purpose and he can't do too little because that's how Innocent Sin happensIt'll be interesting to see what these remakes do with these characters, if nothing else, whether they flesh things out more or strip them down for some reason>Phil needs to learn more about humanity so he can guide them.People here and elsewhere do talk about the VR attendants and him taking a step back being for that exact purpose, would be an easy way to tie these remakes to NuSona if that was made more explicit>>750811796Yeah that's pretty cool, I like how weird the world in P1 is and how weird it gets in 2>>750811950Well Elly is best girl
>Reach the final boss>he's weak as shit worse than regular mobs with bloated healthI never should've played the PSP version of ISAmazing remixed ost though
>>750772258They're probably gonna end up rewriting both games anyway to pad out the playtime into something like later Persona games. So I'd rather they just integrate Snow Queen into the main plot of P1. You could probably just merge IS and EP into a singular Persona 2 package as well
>>750779045Kazuya would make a great recurring antagonist
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>no censorshipcomplete and utter cope
>>750810392The first two Persona games threads can be summed up like1. *screenshot of Hitler*1b. *same as above but Hitler has sunglasses*2. *screenshot of black guy*We all know it's true. Stop lying.
>>750814245Did the PSP translation change this? I don't remember her being so into Tatsuya, I only remember the "taking for herself" comment which I thought was her joking
Thoughts?
>>750814245Sex with Ulala and Maya (but mostly Ulala)
>>750814245
>>750814245If Atlus weren't cowards they'd let this happen. Joker will probably stay the only hagfag MC.
Wait, there is romance stuff in oldsona?
>>750818213P2 even has a gay romance option
>>750772258Ideally both games will receive minimal rewrites / changes in terms of story and characters:>P1's cast still behave like asshole teenagers. I want Yuka to ruthlessly bully the fat kid and not really feel much remorse after he goes school shooter mode.>Lisa still does compensated dating, Hitler/Fuhrer is left untouched, Jun and Tatsuya can still be fags if you so choose.
>>750818213Not reallyIn 1 two girls crush on you and you get kissed by one of them at the end, and both of them want your babies at the end of EP, but there's no real interactions involvedIn IS you can pick between two girls, a gay, and Eikichi at a certain point and it gives you a special negotiation option unique to that character, and you get some little dialogue bits and pieces and it can affect a cutscene in EP, but again, there's not muchNot that there's much to Persona romance in general but it's a testament to how much a fanbase can do with so little
>>750778178I'd only want this if they brought Tadashi back to write her dialogue. You'd need to heavily alter EP's script to fit in a talkative Maya and I don't trust anyone else to get her character.
>>750818213No there isn't and don't listen to the retards who say there's a gay route because they literally use joke moments as proof because they don't understand 90s and 00s japanese humor. There's only one canonical romance and it's part of the story, between maya and tatsuya
>>750772258>>>no censorshipyou will get rap battle themes.
>>750786024Why would you say that while posting the most unneeded party member in p3r?
Damn Eriko, who lets you have TWO ultimate personas?
>instead of giving us more P5 content or working on P6 let's remake those shit mid ass games from 30 years ago that literally nobody but a handful of mentally stunted retards care about What were they thinking?
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>>750786059>worst girl right below futaba>>750819408>Why would you say that while posting the most unneeded party member in p3r?
>>750772258More songs like thishttps://youtu.be/wONI34aquiU
>>750772742I would agree 1 and 2 and essentially a completely different series, they are psudo life sims really.
>>750821134>Yukarifags are soijakersFalseflag for sure
>>750794615Because there is a clear line in the sand in how it changed. person 1/2 are weird horror cyberpunk jrpgs, person3 and on are friendship life simulators. You could remove all supernatural and jrpg gameplat from persona 3/4/5 and the fanbase would not care as long as the japanese high school simulator elements stayed.
>>750818363No it doesn't fujo
>>750818382>Hitler/Fuhrer is left untouchedThere is NO way this is happening
Does that mean Monkey Star Platinum will become popular?
>>750821662We can only hopeHe's cool
>>750787786Most people have not even played it
>>750821134She gets completely and utterly replaced by a shota
>>750786059Yumi? Marie? Makoto? Ohya?
>>750818213Not really, in Persona 1 there are 3 girls that are in love with you but they don't really dwell on it, it isn't a focus of the story nor do you get together with anyone by the end, in Persona 2 it's comfirmed the first game's protagonist didn't get together with 2 of these girls so it's heavily implied one gets together with the remaining one.In Innocent Sin there's a choice where you state who you're in love with between Maya, Lisa and Jun which changes some dialogue in one dungeon but that's it and you don't really get together with anyone, Maya is seen as the canon choice because how Eternal Punishment goes about things but even in that game you don't really romance anyone it's just heavily implied that Tatsuya and Maya will get together.
>>750821683I just realized that the protag start with Star Platinum, and has the World as his Ultimate.
>>750821346Retard
>>750821601just change him to conform to modern sentiments
>>750825734That wouldn't make sense, Trump isn't and will never get close to ever being Hitler. Academics change the meaning of fascism according to whatever political climate the world is currently going through to have an ideological enemy to fight, it's a pointless discussion.
>>750772742Based. Same as Final Fantasy with 7 and Elder Scrolls with Morrowind.
>>750826114it was just a joke, bro
>>750811369I know that you fucking mouth drooling mongoloid, point still stands. You and that other dip shit need to fucking die
Hope they keep Snow Queen or else I'll be pissed
>>750822996I never replace my harem party
>>750794379I still wonder why they went from p1 to p3 with no p2, i hope they do a p2 in the future!
>>750829094you just know they will sell snow queen as dlc ala the answer, unless they take the manga route but i doubt it
>>750791036Ann is just a hotter Lisa.
>>750830414>Slutter Lisa who doesn't use Kung FuFTFY.
I came from the future and this is a lie.
>>750794615Smt, Fallout, doctor who, kamen raider, tes...the fucking horse show. It happens all the time
>>750787786Megami tensei 1 is literal pokemon level of easiness compared to wizardry
>>750831573But Kamen Rider is still creative, the issue is with its writing and suit quality, modern Rider writing isn't bad per se but it's considerably worse than how it was before
The gameplay leak had Tatsuya, complete with UI elements for him, which is beyond placeholder material.So either its a anniversary title, or its complete bullshit.
>>750830414Also she's Lisa daughter.
>>750830414at the end of the day they'll both be in my p5x account
Choose
>>750833467Maki
>>750830414They're both best girl for their respective games at least
>>750833467Now post their P2 version.
>>750772258>anons actually wants a fucking demake of Persona 1 and 2, including extra contentWhat the hell is wrong with you
>>750791202Meant shit flinging between old fags and new fags of series entries
>>750834287
>>750834670I am not sure left is an upgrade.
>>750818382>Hitler/Fuhrer is left untouchedHahaha now THAT's a long shot, poor innocent anonAt best it'll be a shadowed portrait, and even then it'll suck>>750814245I still think Ulala's biggest setback is that fucking haircut, like what the fuck woman
>>750833467Eriko>>750834670god yukino is such a fucking downgrade
>>750777584
>>750777584American culture is centered around niggers.
But will they censor gas chamber?
>>750833467zero hesitation
>>750772258>more demakesSee, I knew /v/ was full of a bunch of poser faggots who love goyslop
>>750772258>picThere's no way they keep him even with the old censorship
Why are Twitter fags complaining about UI?
>>750836332because P5 invented UI and Jazz
>>750833467
>>750836580These faggots are having think pieces on why the UI is bad
>>750833467Yuka's a bitch. But she's a sexy bitch that I want to do lewd things with.
>>750836035I'm a P1 fan(like actually, it's the first Persona i played) and i want to see it getting the same love as the more modern Persona games.
>There is 17 elements according to https://persona1.wikidot.com/skillAin't no way this survive a remake kek.
>>750837557Iirc half of them are just kinda there and in practice just do the same thing as other elements.
>>750836332>>750836580Tribalists seething because Persona UI destroys their shitty games.
>>750779045they'd be retarded, the reason you remake shit is because it was battle tested to be popular before, not because some low tier manga spinoff you let some guy shit out between his real serializations filled space with it
Timing of the leak doesn't make any sense, there's not enough space between P4R and P6 releases and that video is like multiple years out. And after P6 comes out they'll have to raise the standard for remakes a lot. It was probably just a mockup for Sega and will never get made.
Teens with GUNS
>>750839401teens with medieval battle axes
>>750838950it can be to also gauge interest, then after p4r they do a small tease for P1R and full marketing for P6
>>750839516Teens with SWORDS and GUNS.Teens larping as DANTE from the DEVIL MAY CRY SERIES.
>>750838950if 6 is next year they're going to need to chase it up with something because 7 wont be out for a LONG time
>>750839565I think it wouldn't look so rough if it had any marketing angle. The resolution is so super low because the leaker wanted to "wash" any watermark fingerprint shit off it
I have only played 3-5. How is 1-2? Does it have good story/characters/ost as well?
>>750772258I've never played the original Persona. Can someone give me a quick rundown how the game work?
>>750840165They are more gameplay focused, good story is more or less, 1 is passable, 2-1 is good, 2-2 is ehhhCharacter wise 1 is ehhh, 2-1 and 2-2 are good though
>>750840165They're much closer to standard '90s JRPGs. P1 was from before even FF7 and feels like a SNES JRPG. If you have to ask you won't like them honestly.
>>750840227Imagine if persona was mostly just the dungeon crawling, its like that, its more like the old smt games
>>750840319No shops or city life?
>>750840381city life no, shops sometimes, there is also a casino but those are secondary to more dungeon crawling
>>750840381There's shops and cities.
>>750839652They can just do another decade of spinoffs like with 5.
>>750840165It's a generic jrpg with the smt demon system, no dating simulator.It was kinda very grindy and dull but plot stood out because of the whole modern setting thing.2nd game also exists in 2 parts so it's technically 3 games.
>>750840501arguable the most unique thing about p1 is having 2 routes and exclusive party members but both also came from smt if
>>750840381There are shops like as in JRPG shops where you buy a new battle axe. The casino stuff used to be something Atlus put in every single game in the '90s. They all had to have that Mastermind game.Also in P1 the casino is run by moustached transsexuals, that will probably still be in right
>>750840165>>7508402351 is so fucking bad I had to drop it like 2/3 in. There's a fuckton of esoteric stuff including a whole second route I have no idea how you'd find blind, getting personas is a pain and everyone has swappable ones so you can easily find yourself stuck in a position where a party member isn't built for a dungeon and lags behind everyone else, and it's grindy as fuck no matter what you do.I tried IS but it felt too similar to 1 for me to want to push myself through it.
>>750840632If P1 bores you P2 would kill you
>>750772258they're gonna double down on the psp music and then sell you the original music + arranged versions as dlc
>>750772258>wanting modern ATLUS to remake Persona 1 and 2you are literally begging for these games to be raped repeatedly and made lame, gay, and downright fucking trite. you are literally begging ATLUS to Persona 5-ify these games, knowing full fucking well they are going to be censored the fuck out and brutally beaten into utter fucking mockeries of their former selves just to fit the dogshit dumbed down SMT-lite turn based "match the -dynes to their weaknesses" retardation.at this point, i hope you fags get exactly what you want, and i hope this shit is all you ever fucking get anymore. can't fucking leave anything to rest, no, gotta dig them out of their graves and desecrate them
>>750840805Post a screenshot from your Persona 1&2 run.
>>750840718Boring isn't the right word, it's tedious. It's like the game didn't want me to play it without citing a walkthrough every 2 seconds.
>>750840805>just to fit the dogshit dumbed down SMT-lite turn based "match the -dynes to their weaknesses" retardation.bro original P1 was literally "spam the strongest attack", also ironic for your to say smt lite when in smt1 and smt2 you can't even fucking level the demons, smt pre nocturne was like the most boring shit ever
>>750840941It's boring too but you're talking about in particular is late '90s strategy guide bait shit like accessory crafting that needs you to refer to a big table
>>750840953ntagod not being able to level demons or even use magic SUCKED ASSI still have to go back and beat smt2
>>750841016*the rumor system itself is brutally designed for strategy guide referencing
>>750840805>u are literally begging for these games to be raped repeatedly and made lame, gay, and downright fucking trite.Just like on the PSP!
>>750840632Wouldn't a remake fix this problem? They'd make it have P5's gameplay.
>>750838950It makes a lot of sense if you look at it as a pitch video. The P4R team is likely wrapped up and now getting approval for their next project. This seems even more early development than the early P3R leak we got.
>>750840953Who gives a fuck about p1 combat that they let you speed up by 10x on the psp? It's all about the first person dungeon crawling.
>>750841331Why not just play etrian odyssey or something?
>>750841278main thing I meant is that there's every chance this is some shit that never happens rather than being a legit early development
>>750841436because when I open the game and see all the little girls I START MASTURBATING FURIOUSLY
>>750772258>remakes of remakesSo this series (and the industry as a whole) is officially completely fucking dead then?
>>750841525psp p1 was more a rerelease than remake
>>750841016Yeah, that's what made me hate it. Did IS and EP lighten up on it after all?>>750841192I'm not opposed to a remake in itself but making it P5 would still be dogshit. The only complete change that's needed is with persona acquisition/fusion. Everything else just needs to be properly explained in game and it's good. Faster pacing with the story and dungeons wouldn't hurt either.
>>750841436The only good thing about p1 is the first person dungeon crawling. And the psx ost. Did you even play the game?
>>750841474There is a very high chance that this may have even been uploaded because the pitch was rejected and whoever the uploader was some pissed off dev. Maybe by uploading it they are even hoping for what happened with Deadpool and by seeing such a positive response Atlus turns around and gives them the okay.
>>750772258Its going to be persona 5 but purple with the crazy addition of a super duper ultra move that bypasses everything
>>750841525Persona 1 never had a remake.The game is 30 years old and the PSP port is 20
>>750841624I didn't think P1 had intentional strategy guide bait. It's pretty early '90s style.
>>750840805Go back to Twitter
>>750841647You're missing my point. Why not play something actually fun instead?
>>750841723Tell me how the fuck you're supposed to stumble onto the ice queen route or know there are alternate party members that you have to avoid other characters to get or how you'd decipher fusion without spending hours upon hours recruiting demons to try every possible combination.
>>750841905The first person dungeon crawling is fun thoughbeit?
>>750841969There are first person dungeon crawlers with good combat thoughbeit?
I'm pretty confident 99% of this thread is pretending they played P1/2
>>750842037And? The only thing p1 has going for it is that it's a decent first person dungeon crawler? I'd rather dungeon crawl than spam shitty fusion spells.
>>750841947fusion is something you're supposed to understand by playing through a bunch of atlus games, same as like learning pokemon shit. if you just mash things together to get something your level it will work out for your first playthroughsnow queen is supposed to be a replay thing so it's designed to be missed until you hear about it. That's like schoolyard talk, not strategy guide bait. I can't remember how alternate party members worked but it's probably also supposed to be something you stumble through then see all the possibilities of for a replay
>>750842157I just think it's bizarre how people act like this remake is desecrating a beloved classic when most people who've actually played P1 think it's decent at best.
>>750777584It was an attempt at diversity. It failed bad.
>>750842236>if you just mash things together to get something your level it will work out for your first playthroughThat's what I did and I was getting hard filtered by the 5th dungeon. I would've had to painstakingly grind about 10 levels iirc to progress further.>until you hear about itThat's the thing. Where are you going to hear about it? I'm pretty sure there was no indication in-game for any of it.
>>750842336I mean you haven't played it but you're crying about the only good thing about it? >demake raped goyslaveOf course you are, paypig.
>>750838950Persona 6's producer (the only staff member we know of that game aside from the cutscenes director from CloverWorks) said that Atlus should remake the first 2 Persona games, he didn't say that he'd do it or that they're making one but there at least seems to be some interest for it at the studio.Persona 4 is releasing February so development is probably done and this is the team pitching it to SEGA since the leak reuses animations from the Persona 4 remake and a good chunk of the art seems preliminary, like you said this doesn't guarantee that this remake will actually get made but I'd say the chances of it getting greenlit are fairly high since it seems Atlus wants to do it and right now they're SEGA's biggest earners alongside the 2 studios making Warhammer games, that probably gives them some leeway when it comes to pitching games.
>>750842493Why would I, or anyone for that matter, play a game you, yourself admit is bad?
>>750842408>It failed bad.You joke but black mark is like top 5 remembered things about p1, the original ps1 translation was pure soul
>>750842535I said it's a decent first person dungeon crawler, you nigger.
>>750842479real life discussions or maybe a game magazine or something. I don't know where you're coming from but if you haven't, if you ever play some shit from the late '90s that systematically rewards having some giant matrix of data at your fingertips you'll understand the distinction I'm drawing
>>750842602You said the only good thing about it is it's a first person dungeon crawler. If the only compliment you can give a game is you like the genre then the game is ass.
>>750842408I mean they were trying to make the whole thing be set in an amerifat high school, complete with eat your jelly donuts
>>750842691Now that I think about it, the grid combat alone blows the fuck out of the rest of the goysona entries which are all shit by the anyway. You don't play games, you're a nigger and you shill shitty fatlus rereleases.
>>750840165P1 is my favorite in the series with one of my favorite casts of any JRPG. I don't get anyone who says its story and characters are "nothing special", the plot is simple sure but it's good and better than bloated modern JRPG plots that waste your time with constant filler, and you constantly get banter and development from your party members if you put in the effort to explore areas and talk to them. PSP 1's gameplay isn't bad by any means, people who say it's grindy haven't played any older SMT games or older JRPGs in general, it's very easy to get strong personas especially early on. I'm replaying the game now on Expert and not having to grind at all even though I'm intentionally underleveling myself. I genuinely enjoy the gameplay a lot and think it's far, FAR better than P2's, and a lot of other JRPGs of the era. Play the PSP version with a patch to give it the PS1 OST, the PSP OST overall has less music than the PS1 one and they completely changed the tone.>>750840941Nigga the game heavily telegraphs the snow queen route if you bother to go around and talk to people, and the only real bullshit obscure thing is recruiting Reiji, who the game CONSTANTLY drops hints about, even telling you directly where he is so you can try and find him on your own. The only thing that can really trip you up is getting the bad ending, but even then the choice that gives you it has a pretty obvious correct and wrong answer.
>>750842823Kek. Way to backpedal faggot. Just admit you hate Persona and only came here to shitpost.
>>750842038people want to look cool so they larp about it
>>750842910You don't play games, nigger. Kill yourself.
>>750774943Harsh but actually correct
>>750842992I play games I enjoy. Not like you who LARPs about playing games he hates so he can act mad on 4chan.
>>750840165Characters and OST are great (although 1's PSP soundtrack while a good listen as an album it feels really repetitive when you're actually playing the game), combat for 1 is different but both are about as easy, they lack the visual novel aspects but still have ton of optional dialogue building up the relationships between party members, the settings are cool, in particular 2's setting centered around rumors might be the best in the franchise.However the story is where things fall apart, 1's story feels like a horror B-Movie, it's fun but it's far much schlockier and simple than the other Persona games, 2's duology's story is conveluted, mind you it isn't complex as the story is quite easy to understand but its conveluted and kinda disjointed setup makes them less engaging than the other Persona games, also a considerable amount of 2's sidequests are centered around luck where you have to find a specific random encounter mini-boss and some Personas from the game are really easy to miss. Another thing is that 1 and 2 don't have rotatable Party Members, instead 1 has two routes, one of them is the main story with 3 fixed party members and the last one is determined by which one you reject and if you make certain specific choices, in the other route is a harder one centered around a super dungeon and a party member that leaves you very early on,in that route you have 2 fixed party members and you pick the remaining 2 but once you choose you cannot go back, the devs basically wanted you to play the game multiple times. In 2 Innocent Sin the last party member gets replaced depending on certain actions, in Eternal Punishment you choose between 2 party members which changes which dungeons you take in the middle, but regardless of which you choose they get replaced by another one by the end, basically Eternal Punishment has two story routes.
Why is everyone constantly hyped over remakes? Why do we need all these remakes? And YOU are why gaming is like this. YOU wanted this. Thanks!
>>750843070You don't play games and you're brown.>LARP>in the year of our lord Kill yourself nogaymer nigger.
>>750843143You're welcome.
>>750843134>about as easy as 3~5*Forgot to specify, sorry
>>750842608It's functionally the same in the current day where none of that exists as it did then.Regardless, I think it's shit game design. Hiding stuff is fine but only if there are breadcrumbs to follow on your own without anything external. >>750842867Does it? I don't remember coming across anything. It's been almost a decade since I first tried it though so I can't deny the possibility of it being a skill issue.
>>750843228Keep going man. I'm sure if you keep pretending to be an oldsonafag someone will be impressed by you.
>>750843382You didn't play the game. Kill yourself nigger.
>>750843275There's like 3 different students in the school who talk about Reiji, multiple people around town who talk about Reiji, and most importantly you can find his mother who asks you to be his friend. Snow Queen I could understand missing if you instantly rush out of the school during the part where you can trigger it but it doesn't really matter that much anyway since SEBEC is really the main route of the game and Snow Queen is supposed to be more a secondary thing you do for a second playthrough.There's also the choices that decide how many ultimate personas you get, but you're supposed to not know the game is grading you there since the choices are moral choices, and it's not like you really need them to beat the game anyway since there's so many other busted personas, pic very related.
you have to be autistic to recruit reiji and do snow queen blind
>>750843553Weren't there a couple others besides Reiji who you have to choose between without the game telling you it's one or the other?
Who's gonna be the EX-boss? ...The Belladonna?
>>750843862Reiji isn't that hard as long as you go into the game knowing that party members aren't rotatable, if you somehow manage to get Reiji in spite of not knowing that then yeah it's a case of severe autism or being a contrarian by rejecting the first 2 party members while interacting with everything but then deciding to agree to have Reiji in your party purely because "he looks cool", those are the only scenarios that come to mind.
>>750843864I mean, the game gives you the option if you want to take Brown, Elly, or Ayase (If you did Reiji's requirements). That should clue in the player they have choices for their 5th party slot on SEBEC. And the player can't fuck themselves over and miss a 5th party member entirely since Ayase will force herself into the party if you can't get Reiji. >>750843862>Actually exploring and talking to NPCs in this JRPG is "autistic" nowThe state of nu-sonafags.
>>750791036>>750809329Can you just start a rumor that Lisa lets you savagely rape her as a onahole and it turns into truth?
They'll probably take the player's choice out of the equation and make Reiji mandatory for SEBEC. Narrative, there's literally no reason not to force him in.
>>750833467Why are pixie cut girls extinct? I wish i was born 20 years ago so i could meet one.
>>750844329I imagine they will just drop the optional part and make it so everybody is recruited. Writing wise it would be a bit easier since then they can write around everyone being in the party.
>>750844206yes anon, setting off multiple flags and rejecting two party members BLIND and somehow getting reiji would be autistic
Remake DDS1+2 as one game listen to me everyone wants this thank you Konami
>>750844570They should let the original writer finish the story, i think she got sick mid dds2 or something
>>750844570why would they remake the worst games they ever put out?
>>750844464Didn't the gears game that released just a month ago have a bulldyke?
>>750844638I get the strong feeling it was mostly that them chopping it into something that could be a videogame made her go off the deep end
>>750844649they remade raidou 1 already though
>>750844563Because you're not supposed to get him on your first run retard. P1 is a short game and was made to be replayable.
>>750844464you have to be young and gorgeous to pull it off and it's probably ten times harder now that people might think ftm
>>750844563I mean, I rejected all party members my first run and got stuck with Ayase. Had I explored more I probably would've gotten Reiji blind.
>>750844513My assumption is:>SEBEC: Mark, Nanjo, Maki, Reiji>Snow Queen: Yukino, Ayase, Brown, ErikoP1's plot isn't large or complex enough to accommodate eight characters.
>>750844664Yeah but i want one that likes men and doesn't sound like she's a 14 year old kid that smokes 2 packs a day.
if this shit ever exists it'll be on a phone where they can still get away with 5-ified remakes after 6 comes out
>>750844804>Yeah but i want one that likes meSorry bud. Only dykes get that hairdcut because they imitate men.
>>750772258>more grounded OST than the PSP portThe teaser did seem to go with remixes of the original over the PSP OST.>>750801284>>750803130I really think it's more that the new team prefers to make the plot of each game standalone. It's not like P3 Nyx returned in P4 or P5 either, or Izanami in P5. That's why Philemon and Nyarlathotep have no space.P5R brought back Personas/demons that hadn't appeared since Persona 2, but they were just minor enemies, not big story characters. And they have DLC costumes for P1 and P2 in P5 and Metaphor. It's just the remakes that are only doing DLC for Persona 3-5.
>>750844767The Persona 1 manga had everyone involved for what it's worth.
>>750844982and also snow queen in the middle of SEBEC, the manga was interesting
>>750772742It started with SMT IF thoughbeit.
>>750844767>P1's plot isn't large or complex enough to accommodate eight characters.I mean, that's why they'd want a bigger party so you can have more dialogue and interactions even if the actual plot isn't expanded.
>>750844982By expanding heavily on the plot. But Maki basically has no business in the Snow Queen Quest so divisions are inevitable.Like let's not pretend that the manga didn't completely do its own thing.
>>750844697yeah they remade their best game I'm asking why they would remake their worst games?
>>750772742Heh... not anymoreeee
>>750844982>The Persona 1 manga had everyone involved for what it's worth.And Persona 2 implies that everyone went through SEBEC route together.
>>750845117The plot would likely stay the same. You'd just have a much larger peanut gallery offering nothing substantial. Giving you everyone at once would only reasonably work if you fused the two routes into one.
>>750845131>Like let's not pretend that the manga didn't completely do its own thing.We also don't know if the remake, if it happens, will do it's own thing. They just have to retell the stories. It doesn't have to be 1/1. The pitch video already shows something technically impossible with Ayase, Brown and Elly being in the same party.Wada, the current franchise producer, has implied on record he rather content stuff one option than have multiple options.
>>750845310The trailer shows they're intending to do fully new character interaction scenes though. It's not just about one off quotes during plot.
Bit off-topic but did the 3ds remaster of Soul Hackers sell well? I always thought that Devil Summoner and Soul Hackers would do well if introduced to a modern audience, hell Omori's plot is basically Six's backstory from Soul Hackers if it involved more characters.
>>750845450Well it sold well enough for soul hackers 2 to be made, now soul hackers 2 well things didn't go too well...
>>750845491It wasn't that good. The plot was asinine and the characters were insufferable buffoons.
>>750845450I don't think we ever got any sales reports for Soul Hackers. It probably did well enough they thought about doing Soul Hackers 2 at least - and before Soul Hackers 2 flopped they were attempting t promote "Soul Hackers" as a new series separate from the Devil Summoner brand.
>>750845450overperformed expectations, which is how SH2 came to exist. I doubt it was a hit in any absolute terms though
>>750845401I actually really like this scene.Mark is clearly meant to be the bro character, but you never get to actually be friends with hlm.
>>750845491I still don't get why they left it to the Tokyo Mirage Sessions team or why they haven't fired them in the first place. I get that team made the original Strange Journey but they were heavily tard-wrangled by Kaneko and Cozy, everything they've made since has been shit.
>>750772742FPBP
>>7507841952 IS has always been braindeadLike Pokemon, you can easily go through the entire game with just the starter personas + their upgrades for every party member2 EP actually forces you to switch Personas
>>750845597Because they desperately needed to train up new talents.
>>750845597wanting to train up staff for leadership on lower stakes games, instead of leaving everything up to elderly wizards like Hashino and only moving people up that have been in the middle staff on their heavy weight "AAA" shit
>>750845763It's still not that much harder. P2's combat system is fucking boring.
>>750845450Sold more than the physical release of Soul Hackers 2 amusingly enough
Would Ayase look better in the Yasogami inform or the Shujin uniform?
>>750845947who?
>>750845597>>750845597The Tokyo Mirage Sessions team also had veterans from Devil Survivor and Radiant Historia. I don't know why they went full retarded in later years.
>>750846407>The Tokyo Mirage Sessions team also had veterans from Devil Survivor and Radiant Historia.Yeah the Director was Eiji Ishida who directed Strange Journey and was involved with Nocturne Maniax, the Raidou duology and IV. He later directed Soul Hackers 2 and allegedly the game was mostly his brainchild
>>750846716My understanding is that Ishida really wanted to get the Persona director chair after Hashino moved onto another team, so the man went full retard with Soul Hackers 2 in trying to present the "Persona" he wanted to make.
>>750772258I just need 2 good reasons.
>>750846787Gotta respect his balls as he would have to compete with Metaphor and P6
>>750838717Omega retard
>>750845593>PayphoneAh the days before cell phones
>>750787786Stop being so fucking gay
>>750772742Not anymore, cope BITCHNaoya and Tatsuya just mogged every protagonist
>>750847464Tatsuya? guy is a literal faggot that can't even defeat his villain without a time loop, only Naoya is cool
>>750847464Tatsuya's the biggest loser in the series.>only protagonist to fail hard>needed a deus ex machina to fix his failure>fucked up the deus ex machina tooYou're supposed to pity Tatsuya, not admire him.
>>750842562I mean it's cringekino but it's not good.
>>750802401P2 has always been the gayest persona. This is a fact.
>>750802271Based giga woke Persona 2
Would like to see an IF remake, they surely will, right?
>>750778098>Satomi and Tamaki don't get removedBetter yet - will they remove the Demon Painter
>>750833467This is perfection.>>750834670This is gore.
>>750847991Not likely to do well. IF is a miseryfest from start to finish.
>>750802271already happened with p5 and smash bros
>>750847464Is that a bloody axe?
>>750847991IF is forever relegated to uniform dlc in persona
Reminder that Maki joins a wellness cult in P2.
>>750834670Short hair on girls is just never good, especially when they go from longer hair. It's a tragedy.
>>750848060I mean imagine a version of the game where world of sloth is fixed, the dream.
>>750834670holy upgrade>>750848135you gay
>>750848174The plot is just depressing. Remember that EP got half the sales that IS got because it demolished the tiny bit of hope left at the end of IS.
>>750848275I kind of respect them for doubling down. Way too many games just go for the happy ending.
>>750848060I only did Reiko but i head Yumi's route is hopeful too(well Reiko was neutral i would argue)
>>750848275The true ending is fine but the rest is kinda depressing. My favorite one is just "me and my bro found a way to escape so we came back from the demon dimension while our school and everyone in it is stuck there forever". Fucking hilarious.
>>750848103Probably. Mark does fight with axes.
>Your social lengths are your strengths and bonds give you power. Nothing is stronger than friendship! >Hah hah. no.
>>750847991I feel if an SMT game gets remade they might want to give 1 and 2 a go first. IF can come later as by that point they can reuse assets.
>>750848473P1, P3, P4 or P5 protags would have won. Tatsuya was just incompetent. Remember that P1 was a Nyaralthotep scheme too.
>>750842562>You joke but black mark is like top 5 remembered things about p1, the original ps1 translation was pure soulBlack Mark is so remembered that even in this thread, everyone is still calling him Mark. His name is Masao.
Is there a worse protagonist than Tatsuya?
>>750848275It's metakino thougheverbeit.It's (You) that can't let it go and yearns to jump into the new reality.
>>750848652SMT1 protag died alone in a cave.
>>750848546P4 and 5 probably wouldn't even notice someone was going on because they'd be too busy driving mopeds. It took you a fucking year to realize that the killer was the last person seen alongside the victim. Scooby Doo would have wrapped this case up sooner. Batman you guys were not.
>>750848652Vincent from Catherine, bro was just spineless, at least his ends are good>>750848714Never forgive lawkeks for that
>>750848534SMT 1 and 2 need sky high production values to make a modern game, while If... is set in a high school and then basically just "fantasy caves" after that. Seems a lot more in reach to me.
>>750848206Sneaky titty
>>750848549I tought he was named Masao but called Mark?Shit am i suffering from Mandela effect? I distinctly remember characters interchangwably calling him Mark and Masao
>>750848730There were no witnesses. Not even the police knew Adachi was the last one to speak to Konishi.
>>750848783Yeah especially with stuff like the post apocalyptic setting of 2 with the coliseum and shit.
>>750848652>>750848747Tatsuya is literally the biggest chad in the series
>>750848549>>750848829He's named Masao Inaba but has the nickname Mark.
>>750848829Nah he is named masao but his nickname is mark. But in the localization they dropped the msao and simply called him mark.
>>750848870Big talk for someone who got humiliated.
>>750848714Oh yeah i forgot about that>SMT1 is canonically a Neutralfag trying his best to mediate between all the retards left after the apocalypse>Lawfags ambush him while he's cave-diving and beat his head in with a rock>make a statue of him so that his spirit can she through the statue's eyes how Law rules the world he gave everything to saveSMT1-kun had a harsh life.
>>750848730To be extremely fair the P4 gang had>Adachi that killed 2>Namatame kidnapping 5>Mitsuo killing the teacherIt was like a mystery inside a mystery
>>750849056>sheSee*
>>750849114by the sea
>>750849110>>Namatame kidnapping 5>There was a similar truck seen at the sight of all kidnappings. It was driven by the same person. I question the efficiency of the Inaba police.
>>750849056It hurts even more because his statue literally cries when seeing the events of SMT II transpire, that moment hit me like a fucking truck
>>750849056Its telling that law in smt2 was so fucked up that Satan just said fuck it and judged that YHVH was evil too
Man, a lot of older games are just pure misery and suffering for the characters.
>>750849056damn I didn't know he died like that fucking lawfags
>>750849376There has been one reasonable law fag in all of SMT >God's will is absolute and we should accept it... but maybe we can convince him if we promise to be like really super good from now on promise.
>>750849569Devil Survivor 1 is strangely reasonable with all its alignments
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>>750849569To be fair to her bro was not feeling evil in that game
>>750849775Metatron was being a right cunt
Would be cool if Atlus used that unused route involving Brown and Elly. Where they try to escape the town like the Yuzu route in Devil Survivor.
>>750849982Was such a thing considered? Because leaning into the idea of alternate paths ala deSu would be pretty cool
>>750849751As much of a bro as Atsuro was, his ending was genuinely retarded. There's not a single universe in which that shit ends well for humanity.
>>750849569It's not fair that the girls from Devil Survivor don't have more hentai fan art
>>750849982I've never heard of this unused route until now, can't even find any into about it on TCRF. Where did you find this info?
