I've never seen a fighting game with this budget and IP prowess just... subside into irrelevance as quick as Tokon has..Steamcharts says Tokon only peaked 300 players on Steam lately.... THREE HUNDRED!!!Didn't they fix the PC port?This was supposed to be a 10 year service from the devs btw.. TEN YEARS for... THREE HUNDRED PLAYERS?
you don't remember mvci?
>>750810507not OP but curious, how bad was mvci's reception compared to tokons?
>>750810582Worse, much much worseIt was a new MvC that people were wanting for yearsThen we got... Shitty graphics.. broken ass gameplay until they fixed it... shitty shoehorned in MCU tie insTokon's probably is that it's just... boring
The game is just boring at a high level which means it has no longevity, it was designed to be enjoyed by casual players and they played it on release and then moved on like they always do
>>750810445>Team game>Except you dont have to learn more than 1 character because they all share the same health bar>So everyone just picks 1 or 2 characters and 2 broken assist>Entire game revolves around god assist spam because its active tag and the defense is super weakglad this shit is failing
>>750810445Arc sys should just make a full-fledged 3D action game instead of sticking to this dead genre.
>game doesn't have Luna Snow>is stillborn on release and diesa shame! but an important lesson for future marvel releases.
>>750810445>I've never seen a fighting game with this budget and IP prowess just... subside into irrelevance as quick as Tokon hasyou didnt see marvel vs capcom infinite?Game didnt even last 2 weeks
>>750810445Should've use this for the bait OP
LMFAOOOOOohttps://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3787240/view/687519061335082801?l=english
>>750810445It still is falsely advertised regarding the accountIt doesn't matter if it was even free and needed no accountIt's completely shit. The creen vomit is too much for a fighting game. The gimmick of a team fighter where it's better to just master one character doesn't workEven then if you ignore the health bar issue you're still looking at one simple fact: it's just shit to play
>>750811725>$8 for just a character>$5 for skinsRidiculous
>>750810507>>750810725even mvci sold more
they have seemingly fixed all the issues in this patch, not sure what the new assists will be like. especially not sure if this will bring people back
>>750811969Skins are how the fighting games grift the playerbase.It carried SFV and financed the game. Same shit for MK games
>>750811004What's the progress of Varvarion? Wasn't it just an ArcSys dev making this in his spare time?
>>750810445>I've never seen a fighting game with this budget and IP prowess just... subside into irrelevance as quick as Tokon has..You have to be 18 to post on 4chan kid
The one health bar ruined the game.If each character had their own health bar this game would have exploded in popularity.
>>750810725It also did not help it was aggressively shilled by a couple of top mvc3 players at the time, particularly Fchamp who later got busted for trying to leak images of the dev version capcom gave him. It was cringeworthy watching them on the evo stage trying to make one the most unappealing looking fighting games of all time look exciting
>>750810445>owning the season pass doesn't give you the cyclops costumetop kikeHope they pull the plug soon, they deserve it.
>>750810445>PSN account requiredSony killed this game D E D.
>>750810827Literally sounds like a Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm game...
>>750810725>Tokon's probably is that it's just... boringIronically, one of the things that made it more boring was them going from the initial beta design to the current release design.All the typical tag combofags wanted Tokon to have thirty second long TOD combos, and all eight characters on screen at once via assist spam, and no wall-breaking, they got it, and everyone hates it.Shit was better when it was an actual fighting game with something closer to actual neutral, and not "Mahvel 4"
>>750810445The problem here is the fact that FGC is a very small niche that can't sustain more than 3 games.
>>750814093wallbreaking, as arcsys does, is a dogshit mechanic that completely kills the momentum, in Kekken you get to continue the combo but having to watch that shit animation only to get reset to neutral fucking sucks.
Why didn‘t they just make FighterZ but Marvel? Are they stupid?
>>750810445>Fighting game>Steam chartsThat's a dumb fuck metric. Fighting games are overwhelmingly a console thing. That said, Tokon didn't sell for shit because they made an open beta and the game was more of the same single button press spam that DBZ Fighterz made popular and that shit appeals to nobody that actually keeps fighting games going.
>>750814250>Fighting games are overwhelmingly a console thing.It's time to move on, unc. Everything's on PC now.
>>750814236Yes. Look at the roster choices and character designs.
>>750814113Not really, there are communities for each subgenre that generally play whatever the newest release is(3D, MK, Vs, Anime, SF, etc.) The newest anime and vs games just haven't had the staying power to make the community hop on them long term, and tokon was a miss for both of those groups
>>750810507>people complain about mvci's graphics and lack of x men/boring roster>Tokon tries to fix that but now the problem's the gameplayjust can't please everyone
>>750810445They unironically should have created another Marvel Ultimate Alliance to last longer
>>750810507This is the Greatest MVC Promo Poster Ever
>>750810445>bought the deluxe version on PC>Cyclops Phoenix dropped 2 hours ago>I can't play him because he's still locked on PC>He's working fine on PS5Yeah they gave up PC version for that game. Moreover, Sony does everything possible to make the PC version bad.Patch notes are just some minor fixes.Only 2 pros are : Inputs fix and Assists cooldown.Game is dead. Also Jane Foster comes in 2027, no one will play that shit when SF6 has Tifa incoming, even Yujiro with Tekken 8.
>>750814696feel like shit just want her back
>>750814696I like all the characters looking like George Clooney
>>750814887apex actor
>>750814236They tried to, just like FighterZ Tokon tries to walk the line of being easy to pick up but hard to master, then they added fucking active tag which is a lot more degen than any of the bullshit you could in FighterZ post season 1
it would get more attention if marvel rivals didnt exist
>>750810725MvCI got shit on immediately because they didn’t put a filter on the models to make the characters look presentable like they did in MvC3 and cut too many characters because they weren’t MCU relevant. Tokon only immediately repulsed people who hate tag games and its own unique system but became a punching bag post release for selling a pc port that doesn’t work for full price
>>750814236>Why didn‘t they just make FighterZ but Marvel?Motherfucker... That's Marvel TOKON
>>750814982Hero shooter and fightan game seem like genres without much overlap. In fact I can't think of any hero shooter characters that appear in fightan games as guest characters, huh.
>>750814982Rivals playerbase is like 40% women (female) the userbases don't overlap.
>>750810445Every fighting game that isn't street fighter in NA and Tekken in EU is like this
>>750811661Obviously Tokon will win automatically for best fighting game in TGA simply because it's "AAA". TGA aren't that based.
>>750814696Every MVC has great art. Capcom in general have always had amazing visual artists
>>750815535what else even came out this year?
>>750815595>launcher vs jump heavyWolverine's going to feel this one.
>>750815610AvatarInvencible
>>750815638It's fine, he's motivated.
>>750815047Nigger or retard?
>€70 for a fighting game>mandatory psn account on pcmake it $20 with no psn and i'll be there
>>750815645Oh yeah right.
>with this budget and IP prowess justIt's a casual shit show... The fighting aspect of it is incidental to the retina searing VFX bukkake and blind button fiesta that the unequivocal turd is.
>>750815693There's also 2XKO which I can predict it's gonna be nominated again because it's a "full game" lol and there's DB Sparking Zero new expansion which is also gonna get nominated again because it's an expansion. Pretty much both of them are just to fill the best fighting game nomination spot.
No one wants to invest in a game when the upcoming characters are all fucking boring CHARACTER BUT IT A GURRRLLLL XD
>>750810507>narrative was that MVC:I did poorly because of no X-Men>Tokon has an entire team of them, one more on the bad guy's team, and there are more slated to come as DLC>game still didn't do as well as MVC:IX-Fags, your excuse? It even has your favorite, Cuckclops, in the game!
>>750815828I thought 2XKO died.
>Corny generic ADHD tag assist with 4 characters with all the cast playing the same and constantly interrupted by gazillion assists blasting powers with visual effects going on everywhere Fighting games developed by Arcsys for other companies are absolute slop and this one takes the cake
>>750815850It's TGA anon they already once nominated games for the wrong or out of touch reasons or bribed.
>>750815830This. A fighting game lives and dies by its roster and the Tokon Roster sucks, you don't even get the full Avengers; Spic Rider, Ms. Muslim and Womynx Panther are wasted slots they could've used on real characters people actually like. It's still another year until Jubes and they're adding Jane Foster instead of the actual Thor for some deranged reason.
Push fags like that maxcuck guy and sonicfox to big the game up. Yeah no thanks. Scam customers on prices over dlc. Yeah no. Give the team 1 life bar between all characters....who's idea was this?You then get 18 (is it?) Characters in total. If you fight 3 vs 3 (example) your going to be fighting the exact same characters over and over
>>750814093>have thirty second long TOD combosi mean, they expected the usual from an Arcsys game...
>>750815178i think both genres are bait for people who don't really want to play videogames but purely consume, in this case capeslop
>that Joe Fixit skin shadowdropAh FUCK!!!
KINO.
>>750816141That's a pretentious pseud way of saying you haven't played one you enjoyed, but okay.
>>750816178>make dogshit default design>release good costume as DLCThis is every character in Tokon.
>>750816192Last fighting game i enjoyed was Sovl Calibvr 4... everything else I've played (from SF, Tekken, Injustice, DBFZ and MK) were boring to me so I guess it's not my genre...
>>7508104452XKO was such a laughing stock but hey they got it for free and got skin refunds.This failure costs $120 for deluxe edition, money they never see again and some PC's still can't run it properly 4 months later.
>>750810445Literally Sony is to blame.
>>750814982Truth Supernova
>DP vs Cyke outro screen is from Children of the AtomSOVL.
>>750817316It was very brave of Tokon to make Deadpool constantly reference better games that I would rather play
i'm glad it flopped cause as a long time arcsys fan (yes even strive) i really did not want to engage with capeshit. I was seriously afraid people would drop everything else to play this garbage, than fucking god we avoided it
In the end, by trying to appeal to everyone, they somehow managed to make no one happy.Casual players find it too chaotic, while pros find it too restrictive and dull.While both suffer because a hell of a lot of things simply don’t work.You constantly see reports about people waiting an hour for an opponent. sure it makes sense now that the game is dead but it was like that from day one because they just can’t get their matchmaking together.It also swallows your inputs like no other game you literally can't play.Developers didn't do anything for half a year, they are well aware of said issues but been like: soon or lied that their patch did something.
>>750817546marvel comics are a lot more tolerable than dbz honestly. also>long time arcsys fan>strive fanpick one
>>750817624i played every gg game, i like strive too, dgaf if it's different
I really wish Tokon was half as fun as MVC2 or 3. But it's just not that fun of a game despite how cool it looks.
>>750815595The PS1 MVC1 Loading Screens were extremely soulful
>seething at CapeKINO
>>750817676>dgaf if it's differentwell the chickens came home to roost. guess you should have given a fuck otherwise they could've corrected course and avoided this.
>>750810445The PS5 barrier is just too strong
>>750815830SNK Heroines?
>>750817745i don't care and like i said i'm glad it flopped, i hate capeshit
>>750815971Remember when Multiversus won an award over KOFXV? Good times
I'm praying for this game to eos quicker so they can get back to doing the real important stuff like rising s3.
>>750817819I remember when this board was full of shills pretending like they were interested in literal whos.
>>750817819And that time when Sifu got nominated on the category? Good times indeed.
>>750817946https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2026/sep/15/arc-system-works-new-ip/https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2026/oct/15/new-studio-arc-system-works/Wait in the line pal
>>750810445People don't understand that nobody gives a fuck about fighting games. Nobody wants to endlessly 1v1 others, especially when the netcode is shit and the opponent is using wifi. Look at the biggest fighting games in any generation since the 90s, and you know what they had? Single player content
>>750818090NTA Arcsys already has the strength supporting multiple fighting games now. From Strive to BBCF to the new fighting game IP they can just toss Tokon like it's nothing, steal Marvel and Sony's money and put the manpower to Granblue and others.
>>750818215fighting games are the only multiplayer genre i enjoy. Everything else is pointless, team slop is not fun when you are not the mvp and even there a shared victory kinda feels hollow when you are not the one who put all the effort imo
>sells 10 million copies why the fuck didn't they just make DBFZ2, a fighting game selling as much as Xenoverse is fucking insane
>>750811661Pragmata is pretty much a given but aside from that, SEA countries have horrible taste.
>>750817958like... today?
>>7508158282026 has been a dogshit year for fighting games, huh.It's bad that this is the only exciting thing for me this year and that's just out of morbid curiosity.
When is someone going to make a five dollar friendslop fighting game and bury this genre already? I can't imagine paying full price for an unfinished game and then buying the same game but with three new characters a year later
>>750818474i guess they wanted to sell 750k copies in 4 months, personal preference
>>750818474DBFZ is already DBFZ2. The roster, balance and system mechanics are completely unrecognisable from launch. The only difference is that you don't have to buy a full priced new game that added shitters like fucking Raditz and Zarbon to the roster to meet the obligatory new character quota.
>>750819153Avatar is supposedly really good but I just can't bring myself to care about that franchise.
>>750819430Actually is fun if you're already decent at fighting games. Curse and blessing of IP you gain some you lose some.
>>750810445Its not hard to understand why the game failed. The answer is quite simple in fact: bad marketing.Modern fighting games attempt to cater to casual audiences and groom them into becoming hardcore fighting game consumers. Thats what Maxdood, Sajam, Yipes, Justin Wong, all the shills are paid to do. The reality is you will only see a 10% return. So if 1000 casuals buy a modern fighting game only 100 of them will become hardcore fighting game consumers.One thing about fighting game consumers is that they are loyal to the genre. So when you add in the fact that older fighting games players are not getting any games anymore they all choose to play older games rather than engage in the new uninteresting games. Now that the market has completely removed them from the picture you are stuck with nothing but casuals playing your game and that 10% that'll become your new loyal consumers.What THEY THOUGHT was that the older players would all stick around and guide the new players to becoming the next gen of fighters. Thats has failed and you only see it with content creators but never outside of content creators. Like think about it, when's the last time you taught a new player first hand about fighting games? With all that said Tokon did not fail because of a PC port being bad at release. Do I need to remind you that Sony published a game before Tokon called Street Fighter V. When you compare SFV 1.0 to Tokon 1.0 Tokon is hands down the better product (please dont old boomer react to this statement and begin comparing gameplay. I meant the entire quality of the product)Tokon is an example of failed marketing
>>750820226I can do the Wolverine bnb in MVC3, does that count as decent?
>>750820791That's very specifc anon but I'm proud I guess. Like if you want to give it a shot go ahead but it's still a fighting game if you don't play them or enjoy them even a "good" one like Avatar will filter you is what I was trying to say.
>>750820716>Do I need to remind you that Sony published a game before Tokon called Street Fighter V. When you compare SFV 1.0 to Tokon 1.0 Tokon is hands down the better product (please dont old boomer react to this statement and begin comparing gameplay. I meant the entire quality of the product)Noobs may not understand how low that bar is: SFV dug a hole to launch so bad. I defend how SFV ended but the start was worse than all the fumbles of this year.
>>750820716I like SFV but the game genuinely deserve to die with how absurdly bad it was at launch. Gameplay was ass, roster was atrocious and their idea of balancing was making everyone shit.
>>750820978>>750821048Abd the difference with SFV and Tokon is that SFV still had the loyal consumers to stabilize the games community and push SFV to the #1 spot eventhough it was a terrible game at release. Everyone hated SFV but they didnt give up on SFV and that why it was able to survive.Tokon only has those loyalist in the form of content creators that shill the game for a small period of time before moving onto the next game to shill. Its a community of casuals with no old heads to keep the game in the spotlight, and casuals are not going to push the game at all. And even the the ones that become hardcore Tokon players dont want to be the ones in charge of pushing the game. They will just go play something else. Modern hardcore fighting games players have an entirely different mindset about grassroots. They barely care lol
>>750821483SFV also had dedicated shills. Daigo straight up said that he continued streaming SFV despite thinking that it was ass, because he knew that the game would've died without any shilling.
>>750821529Exactly. And SFV had hundreds if not thousands of people who shared that mindset who arent even content creators.Tokon... it only has paid shills and casuals. Thats it. No old heads. No hype locals. Just content creators.
>>750810445>Didn't they fix the PC port?You only get one first impression.Besides that all the things they did to try and make the game more appealing to casuals just make it suck (as usual). A tag game with one health bar feels bad, the combo system doing away with hitstun scaling makes execution braindead easy, and the massive tag windows mean the shenanigans is off the charts. It's not fun at any level.
>>750821048>>750820978I used to think launch SFV was the biggest fighting game blunder Then I played SF6Capcom is incompetent
did they fix the pc port? what makes you say that the pc port is "fixed"?
>>750822126The game is like 30 gigs smaller now and the last patch halved my CPU usage, don't know about this one.
>>750810445It's a boring, shitty game at it's core Even if they fix all the technical issues at this point people understand it's not worth playing regardless
>>750819153the only thing good about this year is recomps of older games
>>750822216You was never their target audience
>>750810445This game doesn't interest me because the characters don't even look like themselves.>Muh creative licenseI don't give a fuck, at least Marvel vs Capcom kept to the basic designs.
>>750822397It seems like no one was their target audience
When will tag niggers understand that active tag is a dead sentence for your game >MvCI>2XKO>TOKON Earn your fucking mix with a knockdown instead of doing some wildly unsafe shit into assist, into a 4 way mix.
>>750822487this. literally every one of these game's "meta" devolved into>do the longest blockstun move possible into tag into free mix
you think they'll try to salvage it by overhauling stuff and converting it to a proper tag game?
>>750822598Define proper tag game
>>750822451>>750822487Truth nukes
>>750822635mahvel
>>750822191what about the sony trash it insisted on running?
>>750822451Just like the "GOOD" legendary arcsys games no one played. XX? No one played itXrd? Even with the best graphics on 7th gen leaving all graphic devs in awe, no one played it lmaoBlazblue? No one played itUNI? Dead on arrivalAt least Dragonball and Granblue and Strive was played. They should keep making those games instead of making more slop
>>750822635games with sauce
>>750823005People did play blazblue tho
>>750823182In your dreams LMAO
>>750823005>>750823204Nigga arcsys is retrofitting BBCF because the game still has a community of people who are still playing it.
Is cyclops any good in this
>>750823352Delusional. Strive alone made more money than old GG and BB combined. You can stop being Delusional now. Now one said 300 people arent playing that steam rollback shit. I said no one played the game meaning when Mori was at Arcsys when the game was run at tournaments
>>750823204...which are reality. BBCF is way older than Granblue and they both hover around the same player count currently.
>>750822910Still as annoying as it launched with. Sony decided instead of removing their aids, you now don't get to play online if your PC can't handle all of their malware, cpu rape, bitcoin farming running in the background.
>>750822910Still there, but that one was never the problem regarding the performance, it was just annoying to deal with. What crippled the game was the (completely useless) anti-cheat.
>>750823512Bro granblue is like 8 years old it survived this era. Imagine trying to make it seem like Granblue didnt thrive lmao. In fact Granblue will be the new Blazblue in about 5 years. It'll be the game the anime fgc will always play and go back to
>Hulk doesn't have a command grab What the fuck were they thinking
>>750822635You either Tag OR AssistNO Assist-THEN-Tag
>>750824009His catchphrase is HULK SMASHnotHULK SNATCH
>>750824078
>>750823816which is ironic because the pirated version runs amazing without it
>>750824334Sony does not want PC to work on purpose
>>750810507I remember MvCI, but OP said:>I've never seen a fighting game with this budgetDid we already forget that MvCI had a leak where it was said the whole budget of the game was equivalent of a single season pass of SFV? All it had was the IP.
>>750825307that obviously is not true
>>750820716SFV didn't require a PSN account, include kernel level anti-cheat or include an anti-tamper program that tanks performance at launch. As bare bones as SFV was, at least it ran as well and didn't make you jump through hoops just to play it online.
>>750825307>>750825357Sorry, I'm mistaken. The whole budget was equivalent to half of the whole post launch DLC budget for SFV. That was the leak. You can google it, apparently it came from a guy named Liam Robertson.
>>750825462>SFV didn't... include kernel level anti-cheatNot at launch. But mainstream news sites posted instructions on how to remove Capcom.sys because it was being considered malware, as kernel anti-cheats were not common at the time. Funny enough it was not added to prevent online cheating, but because people were cheating the fight money grind to unlock costumes and characters.
>20 roster probably worst FG roster in any game
Unironically how can ASW fix Tokon?
>>750810445Its woke as fuck
>>750825817it's a marvel game, yes
>>750825815It's too late and the game consists of 90% issues. Start over
>>750810445Fighting games all fall off. Only the big boys with entrenched legacies hold their userbases and even those aren't that huge. Your only hope to break in as a newer IP is piggyback off an existing IP, and Tokon and others show that is no guarantee of a userbase. Fighting games fundamentally kind of suck because there is no shared experience and nobody like getting their ass beat by themselves for hours. The social environment these games grew in is gone forever and the current one is full of psycho sweats and groomers trying to follow WWE storylines they invent for top players. It's funny to watch Smashfags ponder WHY the smash ripoffs cannot break into mainstream success, blaming all kinds of stuff, but it's the same with normal fighting games as well.
>>750810725when they first announced the game i was so fking hyped the watched these shitty anime designs and i was no way in hell im playing this, a shame loved MAHVEL but you cant make comic book style in anime style and think diehard marvel fans were going to buy that DISGUSTING ANIME STYLE , game was dead since day 0 with that animu artsyle
A particularly dumb marvelfag that hates anime thinking the biggest appeal of the game was the reason it's not doing so hot and not sony shooting the game at the starting line like snk is a good bit.
It shouldn't have been tagslop.When will devs learn?There are only 2 tagslop games normalfags played, and mostly because of mashing/novelty
>>750810445Street Fighter X Tekken is still the biggest fighting game flop of all time.
>>750825815By building a time machine and making a 1v1 instead.
>>750822487forgot the king kusoge bbtag
I need KINO characters before I buy.
>>750822487>>750827414And Invincible Vs. And HxH Nen Impact
>>750810445The gameplay is horrible.I miss XMen VS Street Fighter gameplay style.And the season 1's character choices was the final nail in the coffin.
People who hate tagging sure like lying to others on the basket weaving board. anti-taggots gonna anti-tag I guess.>>750825815add fucking 4 player co-op online queue, that would be the hypest shit ever and was what people who looked at the Tokon Sony website were expecting at launch anyway.
>>750827414It's genuinely astounding how bbtag is such a piece of shit complete with the retards that defend it to this day like the 2xko devs, but it ended up the most successful bb fighting game solely because of dubniggers and rwbyfags. If that shit failed as hard as xrd did strive and tokon probably wouldn't be the way they are.
>read the patch notes>no balance changes>you can still get free assist calls from plus frames or jump cancelswhat the actual fuck are they doing
>>750827860>add fucking 4 player co-op online queueThe weirdest thing is that I was sure the Strive 3v3 mode was a test run for this, as they launched it before revealing Tokon. Sure they were experimenting with systems they were gonna use for their secret Marvel project, right? Well, apparently not.
>>750829113I've got the exact same opinion, duos in 2XKO was one of the better received features of that shitshow too
>>750829209Party battle 3v3 with randos was the most non-gay part of DBFZ online as well. WITH RANDOS. NOT EVEN WITH ROLLBACK.
No Sentry=no buy
