>Japan is slowly censoring games to meet western standards>meanwhile South Korea
>>750837030is that speaki
>>750837030Chibi cheeks are funny.
Why can't they just make normal video games?Why does it always have to be gacha?How can people enjoy gacha?
are we in the chili sex era?
>>750837030>been wasting my time with Trickcal when I could be playing THAT
>>750837030Chibi sex.
>>750837030"western standards" are just the standards of a few people.
>>750837030jame?
>>750837030What game?
japan willingly pozzed itself for the olympics which basically never happened thanks to covid and are now importing brown hordes they havent been based for a long time
>>750838663Why make a normal videogame when gacha is 100x more profitable? If people actually cared about real games as much then developers would make them.
>>750838663South Korea has no idea how to sustain a video game industry around home releases without the need to inject a shit ton of p2w and microtranactions.
>>750840585>Games not trying to extrort every last penny from their players is a bad thing.
it's basically a sport in SK to emulate regular porn with softcore porn
>>750837030>slowlyIt’s been going at lightspeed since 2018 and the COVID years, ever since the platforms themselves (PlayStation, Nintendo, Steam) got compromised. Not much room for being based when the penalty is not even being allowed to release your game. Meanwhile Google and Apple barely give a shit for some reason, which is why gacha is able to get away with the things it does. You can’t tell me something like Caladrius 2, a simple bullet hell shooter with light Senran-style fanservice mechanics, would be facing the issues it does if it were a Play Store gacha when Snowbreak and Brown Dust 2 are on there. It feels like the major retail platforms are just not interested in entertaining anything but the GTA and FIFA audiences these days.
>>750840354wish korea was less gay about lolis
>>750841327They are, at least less so than Japan at this point.
>>750840281“Western standards” is whatever Sony, Nintendo and Steam say it is and if you don’t comply you aren’t allowed to release your game. This is why Japan fell. There’s a gap in the market for anime fanservice games that no one can fulfill because Sony Nintendo and Valve just ban ban ban and censor anyone that tries.
>>750841813Have you already forgotten? It's the credit card companies that start throwing a fit whenever the market for lewd games becomes too big and public. It can only exist as a back alley market that is small enough that you can pretend it doesn't exist.The ultimate bottleneck will always be the ability to transfer money. It's like j*ws, there's all kinds of problems in society but none of them can truly be fixed until the root of the problem is addressed first.
Low effort bikinischizo kimchi-slurper thread
>>750840307trickcal patima
>game failed badly>accidentally hit lightning in a bottle because one character became a meme>people enjoy the mostly wholesome characters and memes>go full SEA coomer with the sequel
Holy Sexo!
boring bikini schizo shitter
>>750841270It's ever since Abe was outed and then killed. The new female Prime Minister is following the kike playbook to ruin Japan.
>>750843303The original Trickcal failed miserably.Trickcal Revive did quite well in KR for two years before the Speaki meme took off.
>>750837030Why do chibis look so cheeky?
Trickcal... but sex??
>see japanese devs being successful by creating these kind of games>for whatever reason, they decide to shoot themselves into the head to pander to Western boomers who don't play video games anyway>market niche is now unserved>soak up all the easy profits
>>750838663because they are popular. you can shit on them as much as you want, but there are clearly an assload of people who enjoy playing these less complex games with a fixed content release cycle that runs more or less indefinitely (*as long as the whales stay around)
>>750838663this I would love a game where I can spank my girls during combat that doesn't rely on gacha shit
>>750838663>Why can't they just make normal video games?Because constant returns on investments from even a minority of users > one singular purchase + maybe some DLC.>Why does it always have to be gacha?Because that's how the monetary model works. How would you force someone to keep paying for an action RPG? Constantly releasing new dungeons next to no one would buy or play because they're endgame which only 1% of people even reach? I hope you understand that the majority of spenders in gacha games are people who don't even touch endgame, the statistics from consoles even show that because in all of Mihoyo's games most people haven't even cleared their endgame modes or have even gotten past the half way point of the games even with quick starts. ZZZ literally puts you at the latest chapter if you want.>How can people enjoy gacha?Autobattlers turn your brain off. You don't need to think and just pull for designs you like. They're also exceptionally easy to boot up once a day for two minutes and put away again.Actual games like Genshin Impact, ZZZ, Wuthering Waves, Neverness to Everness, and Arknights: Endfield are actual singleplayer games. Their gacha aspect literally does not matter and only amounts to you being able to do endgame modes which, again, only a very small percentage of the population even play. Yes, you're mostly roaming their worlds to get paid currency but that generalizes the games to such a degree it's extremely disingenuous. They are actual games and in the case of something like Genshin or WuWa legitimately could not have been made in the scope they are in without being live service gachas. You'd have a game that's the first area, maybe one or two extra areas, and then that's it with paid DLC being a third map and the end of the story.
>>750840585cuck mentality
>>750837030New chibi kino just dropped?!
>>750837030>AGP chibi troon shitYou can keep it sister.
>>750843303that's wrong though. the first iteration failed, and for good reason if you look it up on youtube. looked like absolute garbage.the reboot is way higher quality and was successful even before speaki (although she sure helped overseas)
why the fuck does /vmg/ exist if gachaslop is still allowed to shit up /v/? what was the point of that board?
>>750844506at least gachaplayers actually do play their games, contrary to the rest of the board
>>750844597>gacha>gameslot machines are not video games.
>>750844506Because /vmg/ is for avoiding the unusable board that is /vg/ and talking about extremely niche mobile games or mobile issues that otherwise would be impossible to talk about on /v/.
>>750837030>country where porn is legal>country where porn isn't legalyou need 5 seconds to understand why that happens and why it actually isn't a good thing
>>750844506go to /vmg/ and figure out why
>>750842083>It's the credit card companiesAll three major platforms implemented their current policies well before credit card policies came into the equation. CCs only really care about porn games, not simple fanservice RPGs that can be sold at Walmart or Amazon.
>>750841813>GekiNoireIt didn't get blocked because IFI never even bothered trying to release it through NoA/E.
>>750837030what game is this
Porn is literally illegal in SK
>>750837030>human beings actually get aroused at these freaky misshapen goblin creatures
>>750844708if you think games like genshin are just slot machines, you clearly have no fucking idea what you're talking about and your opinion is as worthless as the rest of your existence
>>750837030At least Japan can have outright porn.
>>750844708Is this the level of retard that posts anti gacha stuff here?
>>750845106mobile "gaming" isn't gaming>b-bb-b-but i'm playing this on my PC!you're playing a mobile game on your PC, yes.
>>750844125this. it's just a good mix of old and new that appeals to a lot of people.they get to keep playing the same game they've already been playing for a while, so they know how everything works and don't have to start from scratch, but every few weeks there's a new character or story part of event that changes things a bit so it feels like it got a fresh paint./v/ is completely schizophrenic when it comes to gacha games.people laugh a companies like BioWare being shut down because they refuse to make games people actually want to play, but then also seethe hard at gacha devs for the audacity of making games people want to play.basically all foidbrained>I don't like it, therefore no one should be allowed to like it
>>750844128It's the foundations of the economic system. If an economic niche exists, then somebody will fill it. If South Koreans didn't want gambling-adjacent activities, they would whip their wallets out at the first sign of titty drawings.
>>750843978>less complex gamesGacha games have more depth than equivalents on console
>>750837030How do I sign up?
>>750844125>They are actual games and in the case of something like Genshin or WuWa legitimately could not have been made in the scope they are in without being live service gachasYou can’t say the gacha aspect of these games doesn’t matter and then out the other side of your mouth say they couldn’t exist without the predatory gacha model. Being able to make such large amounts of cash off such a model necessitates that the model is fulfilling its function (of creating and milking whales). F2P players can only exist because they are subsidized by whales. Your enjoyment comes from the exploitation of some other player, if every player was F2P there would be no gacha. So downplaying the predatory aspects of gacha games is incredibly disingenuous, you cannot deny that the model exists to psychologically exploit and extort players and every game that adopts it necessarily engages in the same practical.
>>750844974Because after the Re;Births got blocked, why bother? Every other CG in Hyperdevotion is a fanservice CG.
>>750845382If you're going to post the same image 70+ times at least get your facts right.
>>750845291Name examples of this because Honkai: Star Rail is the first JRPG that I've seen where party members are not allowed to do more than 3 things.
>>750845180>third worlder who has never played anything other than gacha games on his phone thinks that gacha is an actual gamesad
>>750845471And the fact is that Hyperdevotion could not be released westward on Switch. IFI handles every other Neptunia game, they would not have outsourced this to a company that specializes in Asia-English releases if there wasn’t a problem.
>>750845603Gacha players on /v/ primarily third worlders who have never owned any kind of hardware other than a smartphone. Gacha games are all they really know.
>>750837030Wait, is this tricktal?
>>750845298what recruitment!?
>>750837030lol
>>750837030I don't get it. I recognize Nikke characters but it's not nikke gameplay
>>750838663That's like asking why casinos don't replace all their slot machines with arcade cabinets
>>750845382Reminder EAS accidentally admitted their claims of getting blocked even on nintendo japan were nothing but a lie to try (and fail) farm sympathy sales.
>>750845307>You can’t say the gacha aspect of these games doesn’t matterIt doesn't matter in terms of being able to play the game. The majority just pull to get a character they want and nothing more than that. They are not caring about any other aspect other than it being a character they want. The only use these characters have is in endgame content and only that as normal content is balanced around default free characters or gimmicks free characters can grant you. Autobattlers are the only genre of gachas where your progress is impossible without pulling.Yes, the games only exist because people pay for them, but pretending like you NEED to pull for anything is ridiculous. Unless your goal is to participate in endgame modes to get a whopping 5 pulls every three weeks there is no reason to ever pull on anything unless you want to.
>>750845054>human beings actually get aroused at these freaky misshapen goblin creaturesYeah that's me. I'm human being.
>>750837030>only korean game with actual gameplay has 0 fanservice and a twink MCPottery.
>>750845603>HSR>JRPGIt's an autobattler, it's not a JRPG.>>750846048
>we want the nigger audience AL, Nikke, and ZZZ have
>>750846048
>>750846179shoo shoo dalit
>>750846108
>>750846059>0 fanserviceGay fanservice is fanservice too, gay
i dont care anyone says but I'm having TWO CAKES
>>750846179
>>750846108Literally can't skip a lot of fights in HSR, pseud
>>750844506fuck off janny reject
Did the game do so bad that it had to be reworked into a coom gacha?
>>750845603>party members are not allowed to do more than 3 things100 party members with 3 skills vs 10 party members with 30 skills, same difference. The complexity in HSR comes from building your rotations out of those 300 skills
>>750846108me when im retarded
is Patima ML-coded cause I already dropped Trickcal because of yurislop
>>750837030That doesn’t even look like a game. If you play this, you’re no different than a mobile gamer, which is to say a brownoid niglet turdworlder. We are not the same.
>>750845298>CBT RecruitmentWoah
>>750846323If you think men are fanservice that's a (you) problem.
>>750846357more like>damn, one japanese cake and one gook pile of sludge decorated with frosting and hoping i dont notice its not a cake>gooks really need to stop clogging the table with their literal slop
>>750845291>more depthGacha games have no mechanical depth or complexity. If they did, they'd alienate the whales and other casuals who make up the majority of their income.Planning for shit and then taking months or years to execute it due to RNG and arbitrary daily/weekly lockouts gives the illusion of depth because of how long it takes to do. But the actual combat component is always braindead simple.Then in late-stage gatcha things get fucky because you're trying to balance the people who've been playing for years against the new people with heavy wallets. You don't wanna piss off your veterans by invalidating their "effort" (read, mindlessly logging in to spam daily autobattle content), but also don't wanna chase new potential whales away.
>>750846468>100 party members with 3 skills vs 10 party members with 30 skills, same difference.Matters in a game where you're stuck with only 4 of them during a whole fight.
>>750840585>developers care about money>but also if people cared about games developers would make themWhat?
Fanservice can only exist in gacha now.
>>750838663normalniggers contaminated every media already
>>750838663I know what you mean.I don't even hate gacha on principle. I've tried to play many of them. I can even deal with the monetization.But they all have the same time gated incremental progress simulation that eventually turns into a daily habit more than an experience you really look forward to. Hell the more different ones I play, the more quickly I recognize the patterns and grow uninterested all over again.I'd rather these crazy ecchi games just be games you're intended to play through and experience in full over a short time than just be bait for eternal engagement.
>>750846582You get to pick the ones you're stuck with. I guarantee that figuring out rotations WITHOUT A GUIDE in HSR is way harder than picking Firaga or Blizzaga in Final Fantasy
>>750837030>gacha troon gameplayNo thanks
>>750845691JP games stopped being able to run on third world 2015 hardware office PCs larping as gaming PCs around a decade ago, now they require a modern office shitbox larping as a gaming PC.Are you surprised third worlders can't play those real games anymore and settle for literal phone copycat cash grabs?
>>750844125>Actual games like Genshin Impact, ZZZ, Wuthering Waves, Neverness to Everness, and Arknights: Endfield are actual singleplayer games.
>>750846664>You get to pick the ones you're stuck with.no, you dont get to pickyou either get stuck with what RNG gacha gave you or fork up money until you can "pick" by just rolling to the point you spark who you actually wanted
>>750846619You literally don't need to even level up beyond lvl1 to do anything but the endgame in most AAA gachas. The only real progression gates they have these days are account lvl gates that basically force you to do some side quests before marathoning the main quest, those are not even tied to dailies. You choose to grind the game and then complain about the grind.
>>750846725i get what you're saying but those third worlders only made up a tiny percentage of 4chan back in the day too so i never had to deal with their shit until relatively recently
>>750846848Yes? Are you retarded? They're all single player, some have optional coop by invitation
>>750846848He isn't wrong. All those games feature super long storylines that you play through. They have gameplay even if the gameplay typically comes down to party rotations.
>>750846664im up to date with the content HSR and i have no idea what youre talking about
>>750837030Korea will be next, it just that easy, they only prioritize japan for now, then they will move to korea, enjoy it while you can.
>>750846850We're talking about HSR not FGO, there's a pity system. If you want to get a character you get a character, you can only fail to get them once, the second one is guaranteed
>>750838663Non-Jap Asians don't know how to make video games that aren't glorified digital slot machines.China and Korea are starting to dip their feet in that market by making a bunch of Souls clones, but that's about it.
>>750846963You have no idea what rotations are? How are you playing, just by spamming random skills?
>chibi sex thread>fags posting full size girls
>>750846664>is way harder than picking Firaga or Blizzaga in Final Fantasyseeing gachanogs desperately throw shit at the jp equivalent of asscreed to prop themselves up instead of something with real depth, and still losing, is so fucking funny to me for some reason
>>750847051no i just play like a normal jrpg
>>750837030Oh, is that where these hot chibi bitches are from? They have some nice porn but there's no way I'd actually play this.
>>750846908>>750846961Yeah, I bet none of them have any time gating mechanics like a stamina system, or limited time contents, right?
>>750846908>>750846961it requires a constant internet connectiontherefore its not a real game nor its single player
>>750847138gachaniggers would shit and piss their pants in rage if they had to play an actual trpg
>>750846857The only meaningful and remotely engaging "content" these games have IS the endgame. Which really only amounts to a mildly entertaining puzzle where the solution is either:>shell out big money and gamble for the winning piece who is either perfectly tuned for the current event/update or has arbitrary buffs for the duration of itor>condition yourself into doing mindless dailies for years so you can execute some kind of esoteric bespoke solution with the dregs you've cobbled togetherYou either spend a lot of time (which can't be done in one lump-sum) or a lot of money (which usually isn't guaranteed) - if you don't do either then you can't engage with anything fun.
>>750847051>spamming random skillsHard to do that when there's only one available for most of the time.
>>750847196The only time constraints are for upgrading your characters which only takes about a week per character. If that is the only thing that makes a game not singleplayer then may I point you to The Battle Cats' standalone Switch release that still has an energy system? Or DragonSword: Awakening?
I will never play your soulless gacha slopI wont do your daily choresI wont play your lootbox tranime girl collection slop Sorry, your sluts are hot but your games are not
I just want a good game with cute sexy girls, not this gambling shit that'll eventually die.I would rather play Bullet Girls 2 for the 3rd time, and it's not even translated. You know how much I would kill to have a good Sonic Riders clone that's cute anime girls in pantiless miniskirts?
>>750847631Have you tried Queen's Blade games(console versions)?
Did you know? Most anti gacha posts are AAA marketing firmsThe more you know
>>750847772Gacha is slop and I say this for free
>>750847565>The only time constraints are for upgrading your characters which only takes about a week per character.So that's about 2 and a half year if I want to ugrade all 120 characters in genshin. Holy shit.
>>750841813How is it every leftist studio is getting raped and shuttered but these storefront operators still won't purge them? Are they holding blackmail or something?
>>750838663whats wrong with gacha games?
Legitimately engaging with bikinischizo is monkey behavior worthy of capital punishment.
>>750847861Realistically if you are just starting a gacha you are just going to focus on getting a single team built and that single team should be more than enough to carry you through any kind of story/exploration content because that content is never going to require following meta. The longer you play the more stamina refills you are going to get which turns progression into your own pace.
>>750847965Daily tasksLootbox mechanicsFomo marketingFemoid worship simp shitCellphone games
>>750848064need internet connection
>>750848064forever unfinished by nature too
>>750848064You don't have to do dailies you know. What's wrong with lootbox mechanics? And honestly if you fall for fomo marketing you're just a manchild.
>>750848263>just ignore it!Okay, I wont play gacha
>>750847965>They demand all of your time and/or money>They are balanced around selling retards microtransactions so they can feel strong, instead of fun, if there is any gameplay at all.>They full of fomo limited time contents>You can never own gacha games, and they EOS and you left with nothing>You can never fully access all content>Always online>Infinite claim menus for dopamine addicts>They are full of ads for theirmicrotransactions>Their story revolves around selling you the latest banner>They are only enjoyableby 30 IQ people
>>750845291Entering this thread just to call you a total retard. Have a nice day.
>>750848417You don't have to pay if you don't want to, you know.
I actually do like the gameplay of gacha games but the actual gacha shit is what kills me
>>750848417Trickcal has none of those things though? All of the story is unlocked instantly, and you don't need to do any of that shit for it. And 99% of the draw of the game is the story, as seen in this image, in which the big plot point of chapter 1 of the game is getting through a toll booth, the chibis you have to tard wrangle didn't think of pushing up.
>>750848482But that's the thing.Even if I pay I get nothing.If I spend 60 bucks on a regular game, I get access to everything in the game.If I spend 60 bucks on gacha, I get a dick up my arse.
>gachafags when you ask them what's good about them without mentioning the hot girls
>>750848776>it doesnt count
>>750838663They did at one point. Then some Korean walked into a room and said >"WHY ARE PEOPLE BUYING GAME ONCE?!"and that's what kicked off their "Games need to always be a live service" craze starting with MMO's throughout the 2000's.
>>750848482Okay, I wont play gacha at all then
>>750841813Fearmongering.
>itt poorfags coping
>>750849085>its actually based to gamble for cartoon womenLolAt least at a real casino you could get money
>>750837030DAMN LOOKS GOOD
>>750848417I've completed about 2/3rds of the main campaign and watched all of season 1 without spending a dime, all in only 2 months
>>750838663CD is a great game, but /v/ is full of bots that shit post it. Also I imagine that a lot of the SEA monkeys that play gacha do so because all they have is a phone so they couldn't play something a full fledge game like CD anyways.
>>750849553What is CD?
>>750837030feminists might have been right bruh...
>>750849371How many hours a day
>>750849680>What is CD?this is the future sony wants
>>750837030>trickcal but even more coomerKeep they same fun writing style and sign me the fuck up
>>750838663Because they make gachaslop for people who don't want to play real video games.Normal gamers don't want oversexualized games despite the loud gooner minority.
>>750849680CDeez nuts!
>>750849872I'm a gamer and I say strip 'em all!
>>750849872Yes, real gamers are well known prudes.
>>750838663This
>>750837030Meanwhile South Korea has banned porn and is so ridiculously sex negative that mild titillation in gacha games and Stellar Blade is the only interaction with sexuality most men get
>>750847861First off, you're not going to have all the characters at any point. You're going to have maybe 40% if you're lucky if you're not paying at all, 70% if you buy the BP + subscription.Second off, you only need a single team and even then a single DPS can carry the entire team for any singleplayer content meaning you don't even need a fully built team. You also outright cannot upgrade everyone fully as level 10 upgrades to your skills are tied to a material primarily only given through events.The only reason you would ever care to build a full team or kit them out in high tier gear is if you are going to do the endgame meta content explicitly made for people who pull characters whose only reward is more pulls to pull more characters. If you do not care about that you can literally use whatever team you want, with only main stats on your artifacts for that character not even considering substats, with completely random weapons you obtain.
>>750849872>Because they make gachaslop for people who don't want to play real video games.people that CANT play real video games due to either ADHD or straight up being a poorfag to the point their PCs only run phone games these days>Normal gamers don't want oversexualized games despite the loud gooner minority.nah i want both real games and fanservice, westoids need to glass themselves already
>>750850264>Second off, you only need a single team and even then a single DPS can carry the entire team for any singleplayer content meaning you don't even need a fully built team.So much for muh gameplay depth and muh teambuilding choices.
>>750850264>First off, you're not going to have all the characters at any point.Then it's not a real game.
>>750849872>Normal gamers don't want oversexualized gamesIf that were true why is the western AAA games industry collapsing like a morbidly obese fuck trying to reach the top shelf in a Walmart from his mobility scooter?
>>750850336The overworld doesn't care about that, it's use whoever you want whenever you want. "Muh teambuilding" is for endgame modes. Cryo Traveler (Free) + their 5* weapon (Free) can clear all singleplayer content for you as long as they're paired with any Electro character (Lisa is free), and you can throw Qiqi in there too if you want (Now free and guaranteed from a selector starting with the next patch, or just lose the 50/50). Fourth character can be Kaeya (Free).This all assumes you don't pull on anything at all and get any other 4* or 5* characters either for the overworld.
>>750850385uh oh, now the shitskin will use AI to search for some godforsaken game from the SNES or PS1 era where technically you can't get literally everyone due to a handful of characters being locked to either a specific route or endingcareful now, the gachanog will pretend to have won the argument while throwing their pajeet feces everywhere
>>750850385and if that's how you view it that's fine. It's still a singleplayer game you can fully complete outside of collecting all the characters or weapons with a paid system that is completely irrelevant outside of pulling on more characters or participating in modes that put you on a treadmill to pull more characters.
>>750850570>paid system is irrelevant Then why is it in the game...
>>750850570>It's still a singleplayer game you can fully complete outside of actually completing the game.bruhsomehow gachanogs get more pathetic by the day
>>750841093South Korea and China have a major piracy problem; no one who makes a normal game can support themselves on it. Gravity made Arcturus, and it was hailed as the Korean RPG of the decade (despite some controversies), but after using its engine to create Ragnarok Online, it changed everything. Every game needs to be online, and it needs to be hosted on a server to prevent pirate low-budget pirate servers.And by pirates, I don't mean low IQ leachers like you, I mean another game company who puts zero work copying the game and selling it to low IQ leachers who'll buy a disc with every game in existence; there's no any developer they can compete with this. Every game has to be online to combat it.
>>750849076Every one of those games was actually banned or censored, often by multiple platforms like Tokyo Clanpool. That one managed to slip through the cracks means little. Nintendo, Sony and Steam all have censorship policies disproportionately targeting ecchi games and fanservice in Japanese games has overall declined sharply since they were implemented.
>>750850693To fund the game and keep people interested past a singular week or if they're lucky a month. If Genshin Impact released as a retail game it would be Mondstadt + Liyue, Dragonsine would be the free update a few months into release, and then the only paid DLC would be Inazuma where they finish the game by handwaving the story to a finish. If Wuthering Waves was a paid game it would be only Jinzhou, Mt. Huanglng and the Black Shores would be paid DLC, and then it would have ended the story at the Black Shores.Fundamentally these games wouldn't exist without the systems. You'd have extremely small games than what they actually are.>>750850701You can fully complete every location, the story, the side stories, the events, and everything but the endgame modes. The concession is you will only be able to obtain a handful of characters. If you want to collect all the characters that's fine, but it doesn't prevent you from doing anything else in the game.
>>750844125>Autobattlers turn your brain offTheir brain was never on to begin with. Gacha fags can never explain themselves.
>>750837030Porn is illegal in the Koreas. You will only get blue balls.
>>750837030>meanwhile South Koreais also censoring things, don't make me pull out the examples
>>750850859The majority of these titles come from companies with their own self-censorship policies and/or retarded publishers that refuse to release outside of a specific platform. Most of them also refuse to challenge the platform holders. Konami on the other hand has balls and refuses to be bullied.
>>750850495I wonder if they understand at all that the way they shill the game is really obviously two-faced.>IT CAN BE PLAYED FOR FREE AND IT'S ALSO DEEPER THAN MANY OTHER GAMESActually translates to>You can play for free but it's as deep as a puddle of pissor>You can pay pig like an addict and chase a meta that is super complex(for a phone game)The very base, default level issue these games have is they're made for phones. You can't make overly detailed controls since they need to be doable on a touch screen. You're never getting a DMC3 or Ninja Gaiden 2 tier combat system from these games since the inputs are too demanding for high level play. Even a step down like Oneechanbara is still too complex since there's extra mechanics at play that require extra inputs(blade cleaning and blending that into your combos)The comparisons they post when trying to claim they're equal or better also shows their fuck up. Flashy animations aren't what we're talking about. As a wise woman(Does Kagura count as a woman?) once said>There's all this slashing going on but for all we know it could be a rhythm gameIt's not the animations we care about, it's the inputs. And inputs for gacha will never be as complex as high or even mid tier action games as your complexity level is set incredibly low by default for needing a touchscreen in the first place.
i love how this thread barely discusses Trickcal or Patima at all lmao
>>750845291Yes, but 99% of player can't partake on your "complexity".and the 1% are mostly autist trying to min max for nothing since the 0,1% whale are doing to destroy them while also min maxing
>>750850421Japan made many fanservice games like senran kagura and they all were just niche because the mythical wide gooner audience just doesn't exists.They still make many porn games with gameplay and most people just pirate it.
>>750850889>You can fully complete every location, the story, the side stories, the events, and everything but the endgame modes.The goal of a video game is not just to complete it. It's to have fun. Most gachas are intentionally super easy, and made accessible for people with touchscreens, so they are hardly ever any fun to play.
>>750850767What's funny is they wouldn't have this problem if they were a higher trust society like japan or if they made IPs good enough to get fans that are loyal enough that they feel bad about pirating and end up buying the games/media properly like even overseas otaku tend to do.
>>750850859Why would westoid releases matter? That just means we are back to the 90s golden era where only goyslop got localized and you had to be a JOP to play actual kino.
>>750851092Piracy is a service problem.
>>750851092fucking poland and ukraine have a more relevant AAA industry than those two and theyre objectively less "high trust"
>>750851065>The goal of a video game is not just to complete it. It's to have fun.Which you can. Many of these big ones exist because the fun is in the exploration, not filling out a character list or the combat. The combat is a means to an end that is the exploration. I do agree with you that they're easy though, make no mistake. WuWa at least has the boss simulations that gain special attacks for people like you who want the combat to be involved, but when I and many people go into a mobile game I am looking for something casual, not serious. It's why people revolt when the endgame modes get way too difficult because it's not why anyone is playing them.
>>750851001>The very base, default level issue these games have is they're made for phones. You can't make overly detailed controls since they need to be doable on a touch screen. You're never getting a DMC3 or Ninja Gaiden 2 tier combat system from these games since the inputs are too demanding for high level play. Even a step down like Oneechanbara is still too complex since there's extra mechanics at play that require extra inputs(blade cleaning and blending that into your combos)It's a double edged sword with a sharpened handle.On the action side they can't have anything complex, it has to be dumbed down "press x for awesome" trash that keeps getting increasingly dumber because the average IQ of a phone user keeps getting lower.In theory in the turn combat side they could have shit as complex as they could possibly want, even surpassing the autistic turn based JP games in complexity, in practice they always end up making games where each character has like 4 moves tops because they NEED to make the menus huge ass buttons for their phone apes to mindlessly spam.I cannot fathom how can gachaniggers claim their slop has any real complexity when even their "complex" turn based games like shart rail end up less complex than pokemon, a game for literal japanese toddlers.And this is ignoring the powercreep issues which means every new whore will always trivialize all past content by just spamming shit at random with no real power cap, which long term ends up breaking the gachas with 90% of the roster at any given time being literally useless, 9% being barely usable, and the other new shiny 1% needing you to fork over money or save the free gibs for a literal year because they are a super duper special limited, only for her to get powercrept next limited banner anyway.
>>750851065Gachafags don't want to have fun.They want to build accounts.That's why they do the daily chores in gachaslop.
>>750849076i love this anon shilling it for free like you wouldn't believe
>>750851140Piracy is a shitskin problem.High IQ people, even when poor, have no issues saving up then jumping through the hoops needed to larp as a JP buyer and use JP storefronts.Meanwhile low-trust "modern audiences" can be given a PC port with no DRM (besides steam itself) in their language and for cents due to a -90% steam sale and they will still just pirate it and do mental gymnastics to justify it.
>>750837030>Oppai loliYou have my attention good sir.
is this the Trickcal thread?
>>750851661It's actually a thread.
>>750851575Gaben is never wrong.
>>750850973>Most of them also refuse to challenge the platform holders.And even then you would be surprised what nintendo japan allows without issues nowadays.>Konami on the other hand has balls and refuses to be bullied.Because they don't care about releasing overseas the games they actually care about.A lot of devs are realizing how chinks like CH and tamsoft leaving the ecchi market left an easily filled money printer pie on the table completely up for grabs.
>>750851056>They still make many porn games with gameplay and most people just pirate itWait... I thought we were talking about Japan, but now you're talking about chinkland, gookland and other third world shitholes.Why aren't you being clear?
>>750851748>steamgoyim supports the fat kike's donations to AIslop which are trying to kill the PC market entirelygrimola
>>750851140I see, let's make a quick addendum to that statement>Piracy is a service problem in the first worldThird worlders are thieves and rats by default. They pirate regardless of ease of access or high quality service because they're predisposed to think like niggers.
>>750851843>Gachanigger needs literally every single thing properly labeled and sorted for toddlers.And then you wonder why nobody wants to waste their time with you apes.
>>750837030Wait, THIS is what that that speaki gacha game looks like? What the fuck?
>>750837030>slowlyAlso came here to yell how MUCH I LOVE CHIBIS.>>750837320The ones from the face?>>750851092Japan pirates a lot of anime and vidya too, they just don't admit it because mah honol-dayo.>>750846901It all began since jews gave internet access to jeets.
>>750848263>Dude, like, just don't play the game?I'm doing alright, then.
Call me when South Korea puts T&A in a real game.
>>750838663>censor every bit of fanservice out of regular games and then go the extra mile and make everything lame and extra off-putting>people would rather pay multiple games worth of money to get a single appealing character than to buy one "real game" that was made to spite themGo figure. You wanna know what's extra hilarious? The west can't even be greedy right anymore. Ever notice how they don't have your best gaming experience in mind and STILL try to make everything live service, pseudo-gambling and microtransactions? But they just ultra fail at it, because their monetization schemes are based on attempting to sell you the >grandma's old wool sweater legendary skin for concord and veilguard tier characters. Remember the Suicide Squad game? That they constantly tried to pull that kinda shit and are too brain damaged to pull it off anymore, is why you think this is somehow exclusive to the east, because those games make a shit ton of money by understanding that you give the people who pay exactly what they want. Retards will say it's the "gambling", but to get to the gambling part you have get people to install and play your game in the first place, which is what they do by advertising the characters.That you probably believe this is somehow beneath "real gaming", should just be further proof that nu "real gaming" often can't even pass this low fucking bar. Nothing is stopping them from doing exactly this type of game with deeper systems, better gameplay and without the gacha. But no one in the west attempts it, they don't even try the shallow greed slop version, because they are too far gone. Remember Nikke and Stellar Blade, best selling PS exclusive on Steam? This could be the western gaming industry funding their "real games" by not being retarded, but alas, studio closures will continue until moral improves, I guess.
>>750852043Otaku can keep their industries afloat.Westoids start pandering to shitskins and foids and suddenly their empires collapse due to lack of funding to the point they can't turn a profit even with literal goverment gibs from MULTIPLE goverments.Wonder what the difference is between the two audiences.Thinking a few rando native japanese people pirating sometimes (and often just buying it later anyway) is comparable to the entire west now pirating by default and extremely rarely buying is disingenuous at best.
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>>750852137Wanna know something really funny? The ones who whine the most about gacha games are niggers who spend their EBT on NBA mtx and niggerball gacha.The european counterpart are britbongs and FIFA. Even before the cultural enrichment movement.
>>750852314>>750852137All microtransaction slop and the "people" who play them can go to hell. None of them are video games.
>>750852304sucks they hired a literal sony DEI specialist to "fix" the gamewouldn't even mind the AIslop much if it actually sped up the development (it wont lol) but all hype for it from me evaporated when they made that announcement
>>750852314>The european counterpart are britbongs and FIFA.anon, historically brits have always been albino shitskins at best
>>750852494Yeah, also true, we will see how that turns out.
>>750852190Old otakus pirate, anime and vidya are like air thus you must do everything to survive, even pirating.New otakus are normalfags and goycattle, they spend thousand of yen in merch only to be NTR'd of their 2nd because is not generic shonen shit.Also not desingenous when japs tried to blame it on americans (at first) only to be BTFO'd when proven by statistics how they are two-face yellow niggers who pirate anime, vidya, hentai and manga. Macacos from Brazil can't even come to close to how much japs pirate TOO. But mah honol-dayo makes them say they are saints who only buy merch and original stuff from the most virgin (actually gangraped) idol's anus.
>>750851836>Because they don't care about releasing overseas the games they actually care about.Edens Zero came out globally retard.
>>750852550They're called eternal anglos for a reason
>>750852550... good point. Don't know why they have to import so many shitskins though.
>>750851038my thought so, paniggas are lying again. The gameplay is so ass not innovative so people talking about censorship instead. It is a setback from og trickcal if anything.
>>750841004>South Korea has no idea how to sustain a video game industry around home releasesChrono Ark-chan... Don't look...
>>750852304Already bought it. For some reason I thought they were Chinese.
>>750837030CHIBI SEX
>>750852593>pirate anime>buy merch to still support the creator/seriesThis is bad somehow but>pirate anime>don't buy anything nor support creator/seriesThis is good somehow?>whines about idolsAh it's a shitskin. Of course.
yomi!
>>750852719>TFW some bipolar gook started with 2 vidya and then got stuck in gacha temptation to fund future vidya in 20 years>started from sandwich restaurant >will finish a game studio building soon enough >his autism and control freak psycho mania won't let him make anything beyond gacha>same director got betrayed THREE TIMES beforehandDistortion Detective game on 2 weeks. Trust the plAn. Saddest part the gacha is generous because the director doesn't know how to make gacha. lol, even lmao
Gacha isnt vidya
>>750852719>Chrono Ark-chan>-chanyou know gooks have no culture when even their memers subconsciously default to jp lingo
I was surprised when Stellar Blade came out. I didn't even know Koreans could make a singleplayer game. I thought it was a joke at first but then it turned out it was an actual video game.
>>750852945>Distortion Detective game on 2 weeks.After how many years of limbus? Can you remind me? I conveniently forgot.But I do conveniently remember they promised they would use the gacha money to fund more real games literally right after limbus got announced (not released, announced) to try calm down the playerbase.Can you remind me how long they took to reach this point?
>>750852824Anon, JAV actresses are cleaner than jap idols at this point.Only gook idols can be worse than any of them, and the idea that anyone who notices the idol industry situation is a shitskin says a lot about you and your hygiene culture.
koreanbros are ahead of us when it comes to realizing you should never listen to women
>>7508530471 limbillion years. In a serious note, I don't even know.I remember when El Perro promised Lobotomy Corporation 2.>>750853084Do they still have feminist cult problems?
>>750852981Korean games piggyback off of JP extremely hard to where people don't realize a lot of the bigger Korean gachas are Korean and not Japanese. China will do the thing where they badmouth anything Japanese while turning around and consooming everything JP related
I hope the game embraces the lewd and has collectible panties of the characters.
>>750853084lollmao eventhey are the one market that listens to foids more than jews, their gubmint is still run by feminist cultists (literal cultists) using puppet males
>>750849076this game is also censored anyway the groping tits part was removed
>>750847965>Gacha>GamesLOL LMAO
>>750853672what the fuck? if you're going to play a 3d open world gacha like Genshin one of the reasons to play is to explore the map. just play ZZZ or PGR at that point if you just want to combat.
>>750853672how do i get into doing this
It's just another coomerslop anime-themed gambling machine in the oversaturated sea of coomerslop anime-themed gambling machines.
If I were to get into a "live service gacha video game" what would be a good one to start?I want the essential experience of "rolling for 5 stars" and "new events" that I do not have a reference point for.
>>750853672>$300 for the whole map.What a horrifically bad deal. It's a bare minimum of like 1000 hours to do it which means he's making $3 an hour.
>>750854076$3 an hour is a lot in some places.
>>750854040if you want to actually play something pick any of the big 3d ones from Mihoyo or Wuthering Waves, Endfield. There's also Arknights or Uma Musume if you don't want to play a 3d one.If you want a bonsaige for logging in and doing minimal stuff there's Blue Archive and Trickcal. SD Gundam Eternal works too I guess since there isn't much to worry about in that game.
>>750854040The Battle Cats (You can actually track your seeds for your pulls so you know what you're getting which is an almost unheard of thing in gachas.)Genshin ImpactWuthering WavesNeverness to EvernessZenless Zone ZeroArknights: EndfieldWhere Winds Meet (The gacha is for cosmetics, nothing else)That's basically it in terms of ones that are worth your time. Genshin and WuWa are the best ones out of the lot if your goal is exploration and enjoyment. Everything else is going to be a chore simulator where you log in, do your dailies like raids and guilt content, and then log out.>>750854136That's a bare minimum estimate though. It's more like 1500 if not 2000+ hours which drops it to like $1-2 an hour. I started back in 2.7 and have 100%ed the game minus the Hangouts (Another like 20 hours if I forced myself) and picture related is my playtime according to one of the Miliastra Wonderland time trackers that aren't even 100% accurate as they don't count time paused.
>>750850973Tokyo Clanpool targeted both Switch and PC and nearly got banned from both.You can’t challenge a platform holder and make them sell your game, they hold all the cards in the relationship and your only recourse if banned is to go to another platform, which is already difficult when your audience is concentrated on that platform (as the weeb audience was on PlayStation when Sony started censoring), but is outright moot when every platform now has the same policies. >Konami has ballsHave you not noticed that Bombergirl never got a console or PC port and remains arcade exclusive? There’s a reason for that.
