I knew to hold back they got greedy and ruined launch before it started https://x.com/QuestTheLine/status/2117459052162904171
FOR THE HORDE!
>>750866273lmao
Classic uncs still think forever is for them lmao.
that's a good thing, classic gameplay is literally so fucking boring. most specs are literally 3 buttons. it can't attract any new players to the game
>Major balance changes 2 weeks before launchlol
>>750867323doesnt it launch tomorrow
>>750866273>ruined ityou dumb fucking monkeyyou're an actual feces slinging gorilla climb back into the trees
Will rogue still be doing neato stealth runs later on? I always thought that was cool and regretted not rolling one on classic release.
>>750866273Lmao, i can already see the waves of seething>NO NO NO, classic didn't fail because its not popular it fails because....they raised damage...or sharding...or they made the experience better...
>>750866273I'm glad i'm not a classic andy. Never played classic, (Retoileter here btw) So i'm just gonna go and play the game the way it is, and i'm gonna have a blast. Can't wait to have fun taking over (on his left) a crying andy with my 60% faster tauren.
>>750867323>weeks its out tomorrow
wasnt everyone already complaing that leveling was too easy?
>>750868497>>750869250Are you guys pretending to be retarded? They started the balance changes "Over the last two weeks"aka 2 weeks before launch
>>750869376You expect reading comprehension from wowtards? Bold
>>750866273>sign into bnet to predownload since friend give me a code>my whole internet shuts off What the fuck >try again>it happens againActually what the fuck is happening and why would i pay money for this
>>750870628Chyna
>>750866273These devs are just flailing around and not really sure what they are doing.They want their OP af retail spells in the game without balancing and this is going to nerf the spells on the peripheral. Stuff like balance druids hurricane, which has had no real support in forever but is still low-key a good spell for 5 mans because you can use it with an omen proc.These little situational spells are going to be even worse because the devs want spells like penance to turn priests into 1 button wonders who just press penance on cooldown to win in pve and pvp, so they are going to add a bunch of blatantly OP spells like they did in SoD and then it will make all other spells obsolete, just like the priests other healing spells were obsolete in forever 5 mans back before penance was nerfed.The rebuttal: >its low level content who cares if its balanced!and thats how you get retail where low level content is so bad its not even worth getting through for the "real game"These devs are the weirdest bunch i have ever seen. you have trivial buffs like enrage where its like >30% chance to deal 10% more damage after you are attacked! like what? all those conditionals on a measly 10% damage buff? and it costs 5 talent points.Then on the other hand they wanted to buff thorns because it wasnt good enough in classic (it cost no mana lasted 10 mins and would be doing 30-60 extra dps in 5 mans or aoe farming) so they buff it to the point it does more dmage than rogues auto attack and then melee cant even attack druid in pvp anymore or anyone the druid buffed for that matter.>>750867323rogues havent even had any balance changed all beta and all 3 of their specs are simming last place. The game isnt ready they are just vibe designing it. its actually insane how they have already made like 100 million from this garbage and the guys in charge dont know what they are doing.
Oh Classic+, so a few minor tweaks or some under performing specs and maybe a new dungeon and raid?>Blizzard: Umm.. Sooooo... were just changing the entire game so it's basically Retail but set in the pre cata world, ok sweetie, enjoy your "classic plus", that will be $79.99
>>750866273Removing new spells to bake their power into existing vanilla spells is the opposite of ruining it tho
>>750866273>after playing the beta we realized that we cannot develop the game if we stick to classic game design>iconic abilities which were i-win buttons stopped working because the old game wasn't designed around face-rolling >we cannot make classic+ so we're just gonna make retail again, plz understand
>>750871571>No no no it needs to suck just like back then..if i don't form a line to kill an elite it just isn't the same.I agree with it being pointless though...if you want to play wow just play retail. I don't understand paying the sub money just to play a gimped version of retail. Ignore the story and go do leveling in an expansion you liked. When you feel like you had enough unsub or maybe try another expansion. This whole Classic shit has gone far enough and i feel like the guy saying "you say that you do but you don't" was justified.
>>750871571Still trying to slip in a lie as if it isn't completely free with a normal sub lmao
>>750866273Good. Vanilla isn't, and never was, a good game. It's a diamond in the rough that needs a long list of changes to be good. First and foremost, class/spec balance, spec design, and itemization.
Even a month ago I already wanted to roll rouge, and now they have buffed the class so people will think I am a flavour of the month rouge. I'm hoping they will nerf rouge soon enough so I can go back to being cool and alternative.
>>750869026Didn't they end up nerfing pickpocket at some point during classic? As in, they reduced the amount of silver you get from mobs, or something like that. I hope they won't do that this time... It isn't as if it's a competitive gold farm, anyway, just cool to have that option.
>>750866273Why didn't they just make classic + like everyone wanted
>>750871802>just play retoiletgeg
Dropped.
>>750866273>classic powerlevels means retail powerlevels>horizontal progression means vertical progression>classic race, quest and zone design means retail race, quest and zone designKek, so glad I didn't bother with it, they really lost the talent and vision.
shamans not happy
>>750866273what a shame
I'm gonna roll troll warlock now that they've fixed the dot issue vanilla wow had.>>750873035>rouge
>>750875890>anti fascist>Normal/RP realmsbut all the fascists are on pvp realms?
>>750875948when will people learn having a couple of trigger-happy trannies be able to completely lock down discussion on your class is not a good idea?
>>750866273>All the Blizzjeets in the replies seething at anyone that dares question BlizzardThat's fucking grim.
>>750876275blizzard's been putting microsoft's shill jeet army to real hard work this past month shutting down anyone who could see thing coming a mile away (i.e. everyone who played retail or classic or sod)
>>750875948Typical hordefag behavior
>>750875948i'm getting a feeling of deja vu
>>750876231They are doing it because Ret Paladins did it first and it got noticed so they are hoping to get the same attention.
>>750876432oh great so it's something already normalized, sounds like wow players have fostered a very healthy community
>>750876214they're destroying our class fantasyI wouldn't expect a filthy subhuman m*ge to understand
I was only gonna play because it looked like shockadins was gonna be a thing again and they already killed it
lmao the retail dev faggots on their 50th number crunch just couldnt help themselves
>>750866273Tell me as a new player why is this bad?
Forever is designed to die quickly after release the entire monetization model of wow is trapping mazed retards into thinking they are le going home every 9 months or so
>bigger number means the ability is stronger!I knew they were incompetent but this is next level
WAOW THE COMPANY THAT RUINED RETAIL CLASSIC AND SOD SHAT THE BED AGAIN IN FOREVER IN RECORD TIME, THE GAME ISN'T RELEASED YETWHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING, ONLY THOSE OF US WITH EYESCERTAINLY NOT ME WHO HAS BEEN CALLED A RETARD AND A XIVTROON A TROONDLE AN ASCENSIONTROON AND EVERY OTHER NAME UNDER THE SUNFUCK YOU BLIZZTROONS AND FUCK YOUR MICROSOFT JEET YESMEN WITH YOU
>>750875948>do as I want or I will SCREAMFuck those entitled fags.
>>750875948DEJA VUI JUST BEEN TO THIS PLACE BEFORE
>>750876598they wont let game to play itself without ruining it each week
>>750876598It doesn't affect new players at all. Your expectations haven't been poisoned by faded two decade old memories of the game mixed with under/overtuned private servers.
>>750866273>More damage!>but enemies have more hp!So it did LITERALLY nothing? why even bother other than make pvp awful?
>>750873135>isn't as if it's a competitive gold farmphase 1 classic stealth BRD pickpocket runs were extremely lucrative if you knew what you were doing. I paid for my epic mount doing that shit.
holy shit they're already completely dropping the mask. we're going full-on retail button mashing philosophyget your refunds NOW
HORDE PVP SUPREMECY
>>750877108disgusting looking slop. you should consider killing yourself in real life and not minecraft
>>750877108>horde>slop-posting jeetchecks out
>retailchads now have 2 versions of the game to choose fromback to classic era little timmy, its time to pick flowers for molten core!
>>750877154wow a choice between half-assed slop 1 or half-assed slop 2, lavish!
>>750876708 Riptide was given 12 sec CD up from 6, and the instant heal component is now gone so its just a HoT. This means they feel forced into only using Riptide on tanks (due to its buff for Chain Heal) instead of being able to use it to slowly heal a party member and the tank at the same time.They also lose access to the talents that improve Ghost Wolf. And then the flexibility of "throwing" (i forget the correct verbage) your totems at range was taken away.All together these are particularly big nerfs to Resto PVP.They're also annoyed some nerfs couldve just changed power levels of spells instead of changing cooldowns which affects gameplay decisions.
>>750876623good thing hosting private servers is easy as fuck nowadays for friends and stuff, imagine paying blizzshit in 2026 kek
>>750877195Allah willing, we will never see such haram abominations in Forever
>>750877154There could be 50 retails and I'd remain entirely unaffected
>>750866273>We couldn't be arsed to buff weak abilities and classes in some exciting rework way, so heres a blanket power creep.Devs you can trust!
>>750875948>active immediately these people are so low iq
>>750877059>why even bother other than make pvp awful?dont worry they can add a new stat called "resilience" to the gear that reduces damage from other players fragmenting gear rewards from PvE and PvP so you have to pick a lane and stay in it
I am a priest and once again I am the most skill expressive and versatile healer with no downsides.
>>750877231>something is different than it wasDo you know the whole point of Forever? Are you a Classic Andy by any chance?
>>750877094>press this button ever 10 seconds or lose dpstruly fun and unique!
>>750877291>wow players>low IQsay it ain't so...
I was gonna play warrior but rogue is looking mighty tasty now
>>750877324Resilience wouldn't be bad if it only target critical hits.
Why don't game devs just use a simple simulation to find these balance issues sooner?
I'm very happy. I hope they will implement alot from retail, so the game will be in the middle of both worlds.Slower pace, always 60, but horizontal expansions. and alot of wacky and edgy content. Let retail be for gays and trannies, Classic for autists, and forever for normal casual players.
>>750877523theory crafting goes out the window when you can kite with your abilities
Nobody said it was Classic+ lmao
Retail minus it is.
The game will be wrath minusI will play it like a fun server and move on with my life in next year
>>750877639LITERALLY THE VERY FIRST SENTENCED UTTERED ABOUT IT BY THE HAG NOSED HARPY IN BLIZZCON YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT
Fucking kek even here in the thread half of you are addicted cucks that will ignore everything no matter what until its too late yet again (it already is) because you need your fix. Classic+ instantly went retailmaxing. Blizzard did it again. Brilliant.I will love seeing you people cry about it """""""somehow""""""" not being fun 6 months down the road.
>>750867204It's not for them
>>750872976You need to double check what "diamond in the rough" means, ESL-kun.
>>750877685That was talking about people talking about Classic+, not that Forever was Classic+Rewatch it, idiot
>>750877639Blizzard said. Literally Holly said it on stage when revealing Forever quote: "Yes, this is classic plus"Only Blizzard thinks this is Classic but continued with more content, and changes in the soult of Original WOW, and Classic andies religiosly believes that classic+ is just classic with a tiny plus that dev can implement in 10 minutes, and their museum of gaming is not tainted by modern slop.
ascension died for this.
ReminderAlways do the opposite of what /v/ doesAlways believe the opposite of what /v/ believesIf you ever agree with /v/ you are wrongIf /v/ ever agrees with you it is because you are wrong.
just use this build for shaman
>>750877735>Classic "andies"Asmon viewer lmao not talking to you making up stories about what a woman said.
>>750877794>the one spec that can still use imp ghost wolf>skips it20000 IQ
>>750875948>shamans getting fuckedits just like I remember
>>750866273I was hopeful that Forever could be good but this is pretty damning. Either they have no clue what they're doing and what they want this game to be, or are deathly afraid of every bit of complaining from streamers and redditors.
>>750877195this will be forever in 6 months and you will be playing it, raidlogging.
no draenei no buy
>>750877939i don't think i ever saw the turtle mount a single time before they gave it to everyone with... WoD fishing, i think?and that blood elf sure as fuck wasn't in classic
>>750877965really just going with be/drannys would have been better than fucking sky elves
I feel like i'm the only person who isnt hyped for forever. Whats the point of spending 200 hours leveling your toon + professions to raid braindead dungeons that i can beat hitting my head on the keyboard? The next weeks are gonna be insufferable with all the shilling.
You could all have just been playing a good mmo like OSRS for the past decade and not be constantly miserable and disappointed
>>750877965don't worry we're probably getting pink draenei with orange polka dots for the next race batch
>>750878073not playing foreverABSOLUTELY not paying 15 dollars+tax a month to play fucking cookie clicker where the content goes from afk to OSU tier out of nowhere
>Elwynn Forest - Jasperlode Mine and Fargodeep Mine are a little more deadly than intended for solo players, so we’re taking their candles away. We do not anticipate any fallout from this theft.R E T A I LM I N U S
>lava burst removed>buffed lightning boltONE BUTTON ROTATIONS ARE BACK BOYSCLASSIC CHADS WE FUCKING WON
>>750878180consoles next, but it's going to be really expensive psn or gamepass and you have to pay for wow sub, though blizzdrones will pay kek
>>750878314rip shamans if they ever find a nature immune boss or get nature-locked in pvp. cuck class lmao
>>750877239lmao same. Literally hosting a 3.3.5 wotlk progression server for me, the boys, and a small community i’ve managed to gather over the course of 10+ years. Blizzard have no fucking idea what they’re doing. Private, invite-only vouch system prog servers with the gang are looking like the way to go moving forward. Throwback to the old times when trannies, jannies, and fuckwits couldn’t join private communities because of both a lack of accessibility & social skills. It’s really the only way now
>>750878382based, do you have bots?
>>750878180i have actually managed to sort of a button scheme on my xbone controller that works really well for druid
>>750877735>some corporate suit said at a press conference It’s not classic +. There is no classic in the name. What some dipshit says is not reality. It’s like how Apple or google says their newest phone is the pinnacle of technology or whatever, how stupid are you genuinely? Must be a shill. No one actually takes what some corporate stooge says on a stage seriously
>>750878497doesnt sound too hardff14 is playable on controller and has way more buttons to press (atleast for now)
>>750878382That reminds me of an Australian server I joined years ago, it was basically 40 guys raiding and then some extras... I was excited to find a server with good ping but that annoyed the shit out of me when it turned out to be pointless
>>750878469yeah, 5,000 player-bots running in the background, ollama to simulate chat. The lads think they’re all real people, and you can be racist like it’s 2004 all over again without worry of some pink-haired mutant freak getting upset and reporting you with their gaylord faggot brigade. No zoomers, no SJW or gay politicking, no New Mumbai Blizzard bullshit; just good old-school vibes. Iykyk, yk?
>>750878512Maybe the term classic+ has become too colloquial and they couldn't get strong enough trade mark for it.
>>750878620>5000 bots + ollama + real playersdamn did you steal a supercomputer from nasa?
>>750878647Lol
blizzard doesnt understand how classic players are wiredthese addicts are going to have a full character list of level 60s and will be asking for fresh in two months tops they should have just stuck with seasonal content
>>750877687these absolute retards will blame forever failing on some irrelevant shit only a giga addict would care about anyway, like disallowing GDKP or not introducing the token
>>750878665doesn’t take as much compute power as you might think…but yes, I hacked the mainframe and stole the terminal responsible for making the movie that faked the moon landing and tricked all the americans into believing it wasn’t fake & gay (they’ll never know)
>>750866273Good. Killing shit was so slow and having just 1 good spell sucks. Classic Andy's think forever is gonna play just like Classic with all its boring shit. There will be changes.
>>750866273>Bear Form and Dire Bear Form: Threat bonus increased from 50% to 115%. This is to compensate for Blessing of Salvation being removed.
>>750878764you dont understand i cant wait for 5 sunders i have to POOOOOOOMP for my parse
>>750878764>Blessing of Salvation being removed.Why did they do this? Can I get a number crunch real quick?
>>750866273>ruined launch before it startedThey ruined it at the very announcement
>>750877736Ascension was worse retailslop than forever.You could grind 15 mobs at once with tank specs.
>>750866273add the dungeon finder next plz.
>>750878789i’ve crunched the numbers and can confirm that they have no idea what the fuck they’re doing. WoW: (jeeted) Forever
>>750878789Mostly so dungeons without paladins dont suck dick like they do in TBC.>Number crunchIdentical some items and procs are slightly better now.Its about 99% the same.
>>750878764>Blessing of Salvation being removed.you fucking what
I seriously don't understand what the fuck is going on here, literally none of the things they've added or changed are good, it ticks none of the boxes for classic+, it looks less like Vanilla than SoD. How did they fuck this up? What happened to the SoD team? Why does it look like it's being developed by the Diablo 4 team?
>>750875948>they didn't replace lava burst with bus shock
>>750877709It means that something has a good core but rough edges that need to be worked on, you absolute fucking retard.
>>750877195This is retail.
>>750878789If both factions have paladins then there's not much point to it. Removing Salv and buffing tank threat effectively just means don't need an extra paladin buffing Salv on everyone. The change makes sense to me.
>>750869082this but unironically you, and you fucking macaque know it
>Classic Andy's seething
>>750879014>it looks less like Vanilla than SoDthis is just an outright lie unless you literally mean the graphics. can you explain how SoD is more like Vanilla than Forever gameplay wise
>>750876095It's because they know that they aren't wanted so to stop themselves from getting permanently corpse camped they hide on care bear servers people are still going to fuck with them regardless>>750875948This shit is so fucking retarded, just like the Trannydins before them, they have been entirely captured by a handful of streamers/"pros" that try to push their personal vision on what each class is supposed to be and they are doing it in the most retarded way possible because the WoW devs are in full on panic trying to push the game out the door before Microshaft axes them and GTA 6 fucks up their player numbers>"YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO YOUR TRANNY-CLASS COMMUNITY BLIZZARD!">"Ok-ok! We will do whatever you want as long as you just play the game! So, what do you want?">"I'm not gonna tell you, I just like the attention, so that is why I'm holding an avenue of player communication hostage."
>>750878285>thought "hp" meant "health points" for the longest time>ackshually it's "hit points"No matter how long I invade anglo discussion spaces online, I am doomed to be the forever ESL
>>750879128No retard it means it's a gold amongst shit. The turn of phrase you're thinking looking for is "an uncut gem".
>>750875948why would they not list the changes they want specifically in their ransom note? what is blizzard meant to do with this, and wouldnt people just open a new server when the game comes out.
>>750879178>can you explain how SoD is more like Vanilla than Forever gameplay wiseBecause it mostly is vanilla with some crazy new abilitiesDo you see any retail races in SoD? Do you see some half-assed new dungeons worse than private server content? Did you see them copy paste locations from retail? Did you see them being totally confused about what end-game progression will be?
>>750878382Invite me now
>>750866273so wheres the problem? obviously its not 100% classic and if they want to keep it running for years then there will changes on the long run anyways otherwise they cant be adding anything. its not the point making it feel exactly like classic, the point is making it feel like it could have been classic if we didnt have addons down the road
>>750879178>can you explain how SoD is more like Vanilla than Forever gameplay wiseThey didn't go back and ruin old quests
>>750876470i dont play shaman to be furry
>>750879234>I'm not gonna tell you, I just like the attentionPretty much it honestly.>Prot paladins sucked dick, about a million graphs and videos explaining why>Got fixed>Mages arcane talents were stupid flawed and you had 15 points of dead talents. Lots of videos and such>Got fixed>Rogues had a bunch of issues, lots of community calls and dumb shit explaining why>Got fixedShamans dont do any of this and just throw a fit trying to copy rets.Amusingly the rets shutting the discord down was from sod as a protest to being forced into the god awful holy shock build that aggends retarded ass is obsessed with.I dont even know what shamans complaint is.They threw a shitfit over not wanting lava burst and now its gone.Enhance got giga buffed this patch, are they crying because they dont want free spellpower?Resto now that druids got nerfed are the best healers in the game.Also since pallies buffs got slapped shamans are probably the most wanted class in the game in raids where arguably them or druids are the best to stack.
>>750879303Might as well be the same thing if we're being perfectly honest t b h
>>750879325Sod had emeral incursions to skip questing, every class and spec was nothing like vanilla and had a million literal retail abilities aka the actual gameplay and feel, you could do massive pulls in dungeons. it was literally nothing like vanilla except the zones and race, which obviously wow forever would change because its classic plus. are you saying turtlewow is like retail? they had goblins and high elves and new zones like gilneas
>>750879014>retail dying>retail devs see the potential of ruining another product with sod>retail dead>sod just the beta
It was over when started banning people for funny names.
>>750879464>Resto now that druids got nerfed are the best healers in the game.by what definition of "best healer"? resto shaman is still third in hps on sims behind druid and holy priest, and its playstyle is the most boring shit imaginable of keep riptide up on tank then spam chain heal
>>75087930335, English-Only and white as a sheet. i've never agreed with it.'hit points' should add up. how many times you've been hit. adding tokens to your character sheet in a board game when struck and 5 tokens means KO. those in my mind are 'hit points'.if it's a full number/bar going down when struck, it represents your health
Why do any of you faggotniggers wanna play a shitty MMO anyway
>>750879636i don't i just like pretending that it's entirely the fault of devs that i never play MMOs
>>750879614>keep riptide up on tank then spam chain healOther healer rotations arent exactly much better
>>750869376>Pretending Lol lmao even
>>750866273Nothingburger. WoW Forever is perfect.
>>750879303Just learn the difference between "lose" and "loose" and we're good, ESL-kun.
>ruined anti-soul gas "remastered" graphics>now thiswhy do you subhumans keep gobbling this shit up? Fucking kek.
>>750880030>caring about the fucking grafix in a 2004 MMORPG
>>750879014SoD is 10x worse than Forever has been so far, but if you want an explanation for why "Classic+" didn't become a thing until recently>Blizz slowly ruins Retail over years of mismanagement with Sneedolands being the expansion that finally broke the camels back with it coming off the back of Battle for analfags>BoA was so bad that it forced blizzard into making a Classic version of their game beforehand>Their retail players run off in every direction in search of a new game to waste their lives in>Classic+ servers are slowly siphoning off the largest part of their remaining playerbase (Classic)>Blizzard panics and copies the most popular MMOs still around (GW2 and XIV)>"Our next expansion(s) are going to conclude the (shitty) storyline that we made up on the spot a single expansion ago!">"They are also going to contain everything from other games that you like to play instead of WoW! But we are making it lamer and gayer!">"Wait, why is no one playing our game? WHY AREN'T THE PLAYERS COMING BACK FOR OUR SLOP!?">"U-um... FUCK IT! We are just going to copy what the players themselves are doing with SoD! And making it lame and gay instead.>"W-wait... That didn't work and now players are mad at us for even trying...">"PLEASE COME BACK! WE WILL DO ANYTHING IF YOU JUST COME BACK BEFORE DADDY MICROSHAFT SHUTS US DOWN! PLEEAAAASE!">You are now in current day
>>750880030>making the game more fun is wrong!!!11dumb classic elitist
>>750878819so? it was free and the mediocre quality was expected for the price i had to paymeanwhile blizzard shits on your plate and demands 15 bucks from you
>>750880081i've actually never got into WoW, but considered trying this out as a definitive classic experience, but the moment i learned of the de-mastered graphics i immediately dropped it.
>>750879337get a vouch and i’ll send you an invite
>>750880167>i've actually never got into WoWSo why are you crying about it? Didn't read the rest of your LARP
tranny devs just cant help themselves, have to constantly shift and modify their identity every minute kekimagine funding this
>>750871882>Free>15 shekels a Month, goyim Why don't you kill yourself you apocalyptic faggot?
Still playing foreverStill laughing at turtlefags
>>750880140>WE WILL DO ANYTHING IF YOU JUST COME BACK BEFORE DADDY MICROSHAFT SHUTS US DOWN! PLEEAAAASE!It's going to be a long time before that happens. They are the only studio that Microsoft is even remotely happy with right now.
>>750878890Yeah, we can't have unique reasons for inviting certain classes because of the utility they bring, that's dangerously close to having diversity. Raw damage and healing is the only thing that matters ultimately.In fact, Windfury is such a powerful buff we should just make it baseline for every melee class, call it "Multistrike" or something.
>>750880484thank god multistrike only lasted an expansionit was funny seeing ele get that stupid rock toss mastery since their old mastery was essentially multistrike
>>750880382They are already begging players to stay, Blizzard is "listening" more now than they have done over the last 8 years of the games history combined, they are changing numbers and replacing entire class components at the drop of a hat with no real reasoning behind it, they haven't even been able to paint a clear picture of what the next 3 months of Forever is going to look like but the game is literally releasing in about 36 hours.Fuck man, even the retail devs were spilling the beans and saying how they "want" to do what Forever is doing and that is because they were completely fucking mogged by Forever team even if they are just flailing wildly and hoping for the best at the moment. Just think about that for a moment, Ion (who is the leading force behind why retail is so hated now) admitted to being wrong in the most roundabout way possible even though he has spent the better part of his career denying and refusing to learn from mistakes because he has a "vision" of what WoW is supposed to be, just like the fag Tigole before him.
>>750880484You are trying to be a sarcastic faggot but unironically they should have deleted windfury totem from the game because every single melee dps is being balanced around having it due to it being an absurd buff so you run into situations where any time you dont have a shaman aka soloing or 5 mans all melee are getting massively fucked over for damage in a way no caster is.Its the same issue with exo only being castable on undead/demons. You would think "wow you are going to be insane this raid tier" but in reality all paladins just eat damage nerfs on their itemization budgets in that raid tiers gear anyway.If a class/spec is being preemptively nerfed under the assumption that they will have a buff then it would be better for the buff to just not exist.
>>750880770Can you stop whining about dps already, the game is easy enough
>>750880140>Classic+ servers are slowly siphoning off the largest part of their remaining playerbase (Classic)Retail is 10x bigger than classic you retarded shitskin
>>750880898>"I-it has more players I swear!">Anon says, as he waits for 4 hours for LFG to pop in the latest content as a Tank at primetime
>>750880898>Retail is 10x bigger than classic
>>750880960LFG for what you stupid nigger, you use group finder for all relevant content and have for over a decade now
>>750879132ho ly fuck I had no idea it was that bad
the threat buff is actually kinda insane for warriors
>>750881148well yeah modern players can't be expected to actually engage with a real threat mechanic
>>750881052>"I-it doesn't matter that a cross-realm tool that covers almost 90% of the content in the game fails to put together groups after hours of trying and after having shit like level and faction restrictions lifted..."lol, lmao even. This is like admitting to there being no players anywhere except for maybe a handful of guilds at end-end game
>>750881217oh especially with the fucking auto rotation they wont be able to slow down on
>>750881217Or reading quests, or communicating, forming their own groups, deeper game mechanics, losing...
>>750881217classic fags just had dual wield warrior tanks top the threat meters anyway
>>750881217>>750881252>>750881285classic is there waiting for you
>>750881245What part of no relevant content is queueable isnt clear to your monkey nigger brainLFG only goes up to heroic dungeons, which are worthless, everyone is playing m+ and are at +10 or higher. LFG doesnt cover 90% of the content it covers less than 10%
>>750881217Engage meaning take your hands off the keyboardAggro is an irredeemably dogshit mechanic that nobody can actually defend
What's the most braindead class that is just press button for damage and nothing else?I guess hunter? Which specialization?
>>750881412its classic lil guy, all of them are braindead
>>750881148They removed salvation from the game.
>>750881356>absolutely 0 rogue changes throughout the entire beta>literally the day before launch: here's an entire talent tree rework and an unmissable offhand attack that generates energywhat the fuck is the thought process here, did their tokens finally refresh and this is what Claude cooked up?
>>750881492>what the fuck is the thought process hereThey had to do something because every other spec got new shit except rogue?
>>750881535They took the new shir away from ele and shadow lmao
>>750881598that ok lava burst is not from vanilla :^)
>>750881535So you're saying they ruined my incentive to play the game by changing the class I wanted to play...
I only played WoW very briefly in 2005 or so. Is Undead Warlock still objectively the coolest?
>>750881676If you like vanilla class design youre lobotomized
>>750881676I have no idea why you wanted to play rogue but you're the vocal minority as people wanted rogue changes to actually compete with other classes. Forever rogue is just like retail rogue, no dev and no idea what to do with it, the least popular class by far.
>>750881535why didn't they do any of this a month ago is my question
I'm going to play a druid or paladin because the game will die in two weeks and finding a tank or healer will be hard.
>>750881781There are a few reasons:>rogue is not popular>the game is incredible rushed>the devs focused on their pet classes like ret paladin>the retail devs are in charge of most of the development and there is no rogue dev since dragonflightNow they are just dumping random shit to let people know they are trying.
If I wanna play a Paladin tank, is it gonna be annoying when not playing with others? Can it do solo levelling ok when required?
>>750866273>These shaman elementalist changes>GhostwolfYeah its over.
>>750882079you can tank and heal with ret talents anon, there is 0 difficulty when it come to early dungeons
>>750881535I just read the rogue patch notes and I absolutely despise the new Shank skill. It sounds like an unfun button you now HAVE to press once every 10 seconds no matter your spec.
>>750881390It has issues but it gives tanks something to improve their character's effectiveness apart from the pass/fail "is your character capable of being the focus of this bosses attacks without dying instantly".
>>750882175you never played vanilla or classic. shit is way harder than anything to come out of wow in the last 10 years.
>>750882194at least memeshifting isnt part of your identityi dont know what it is about feral and having some of the most autistic rotations through the entire games history
>>750882194I would assume that's the point yes. People are probably going to macro it and forget about it lol.
>>750882194by what metricthe number one rogue complaint was that the entire gameplan was SS into SnD and then sit there autoattacking
>>750882387So like Classic wow should be?
>>750882387>melees damage breakdown is 45% auto attacks and then a couple abilities at 20%sounds like classic to me
>>750882263>vanilla>hard
>>750866273>raise damage>raise enemy health alsoso it's literally just to "make number bigger, big number make brain happy"?
>>750882387Not him but pressing this button every 10 seconds is not going to address the issue and people will macro it.
>>750882263>you never played vanilla or classicNot him but if you think you need to be prot for anything before, what BRD? then you have no idea what you're talking about and should probably just stfu before you say something even stupider.
>>750882194I think it's kinda fun, it makes combat rogue play a lot faster and it's just more damage.
>>750882448>the health of higher level creaturesYou're doing considerable more damage to low level creatures and probably won't see the hp increase on mobs till like lvl 50.
>>750867204No no no you don't understand, using different ranks of the same skills is <skill expression> and integral to maintaining the fidelity of the classic+++ experience. It doesn't matter that you can never go back, as long as you can larp like you were part of the original experience and inject modern optimizations to completely suck out the soul
>>750882387The reason I liked vanilla rogue was because how simple the class is. Shank is now the most important non-spec skill a rogue has outside of stealth/SS and it's on an annoyingly mid cd of 10 seconds. Short enough I have to CONSTANTLY keep track of it at all times I'm playing or else gimp my damage and long enough that I can't just spam the button.
>>750882469It's an energy-positive combo point generating ability, dummy. Pressing it every 10 seconds lets you press other stuff more too.
>>750882470Technically he's not wrong since paladin needed to go 11 points deep into Holy to be able to tank at all (badly), so trying to do that as a full ret would be pretty much impossible.
it's actually turning into retail lite so much faster than I imagined
>>750869376>channers pretending not to understand something so they can fabricate hate over itfirst time?
Shaman here, am I missing something, did they just turn Riptide into a shittier renew with a CD?
>>750882603>Pressing it every 10 seconds lets you press other stuff more too.Yeah but still most of your damage will be aa and that's what they don't like.
>>750882519>I think it's kinda fun>he says about an ability he hasn't had the chance to use at all because it was just added and there is no telling how it will perform at 60 in actual fights
>>750882608Y'know, something tells me that's not what he was talking about.
fell for it again award
>>750882532so it's so you don't have to play the game as much?
>>750882687I can envision in my mind's eye what an ability that gives you an extra 40 energy every 8 seconds will do to rogue gameplay and I think it's going to be fun. That's an extra Sinister Strike every 8 seconds, anon! That's OP!
>"Fell for it again" award.Don't worry WoWfags, just wait five years until Blizzard announce "WoW: Ultimate" or some shit that'll be a "true return to form" and feel exactly like booting up WoW for the first time in 2004 again!
>Rogue gets retail Shiv>also a ton of energy elsewhereDamn we won bigly
>>750882716Kinda? It's a weird change because there is literally nothing to do at max lvl but run dungeons (raids are locked for a month) and when people ask about the horizontal progression they only talk about the legacy system and how you're suppose to level every class to max lvl so you can unlock a hd bear mount but between the new crafted gear, the legacy points, the new dungeons and zones a AND this change you're going to level really fucking fast so I don't get it.
>>750882685It's a step in the right direction if you ask me. Gives them a new button to press that helps them press more buttons on top. I'll take this over just passive energy regen for doing what you were already doing (eg combat potency)
>>750882870You're not wrong but I can see why people are mad, is not enough for people like you who want more and it's le retail for the autistic people in denial about forever.
>>750880316Just out of curiosity, what did you think "with a normal subscription" meant?
>>750882949Yeah I guess.
>>750866273>doing bigger numbers is le bad
>>750881450I quit after cata because the game was only getting more dumbed down and easier. I remember they removed a bunch of class abilities and quests and made every elite quest normal. I can't imagine how brain dead the current version is
>>750882870I would much rather than reduced energy cost than a "Press this button every 10 seconds for free energy" button. It's just one more thing to keep track of and feels like a pain.
>>750875948>blizzard hating shamans and giving rogue infinite gibsThis is the retail I remember. Next comes the rugpull with every alliance racial nerf and horde buffs and opening up faction transfers
>>750883219>I quit after cata because the game was only getting more dumbed down and easier.fucking lmao people hated cata because it was too fucking hard compared with the meme content we had before
>>750883219lel funny since i remember the heroic dungeons and raids needing massive nerfs at the start of cata from shitters who couldnt hang anymore
>>750879128wow I've never seen an ESL so confidently incorrect before
>>750881491Yeah I know, but consider the threat modifiers on warrior abilities and how huge of a buff this is to those
>>750877384uh, yes, that's how it works
>>750876470Your fantasy of having a raid slot for a shaman in each party making up the raid?
>>750877348>Classic AndyI cant stress this enough, KILL YOURSELF
>>750877094I haven't played wow in a long time and was never big on addons when I did play it, can I just download something to automatically cast this spell when not stealthed on my current target? Otherwise this one thing makes me want to not play the game.
>>750883864>can I just download something to automatically cast this spellI'm sure someone will make bots for forever
>>750877384>why can't the game play for me while I'm unconscious
>>750883289>>750883359Ya they literally removed a ton of spells, class quests and unique abilities to make the game way more simple. I'm sure they did have to nerf a bunch of content too for the retards that stuck around for their dumbing downNot a coincidence that's when they started adding a bunch of gay shit too like the time dragon being bisexual or whatever
>>750883724UH OH classic andy meltie!
>>750877348What the fuck is that?
>>750884185Removing bloat was a good change and it wasn't a ton of shit lol you can google it right now.
>>750884185you guys are retarded if you think current wow is "simple", most of the reason why people want to play wow forever is to have a chill experience, any type of endgame content in WoW is sweaty as fuckof course, you can only answer to this post if you have done at least a +15 and have done heroic ula'tek.
>>750883993>Let's make the class more fun!>>How do we do that?>Add in a button that you have to press every 10 seconds or else your damage will be crippled! Every second you delay for that perfect cd key press will lower to total damage potential!>That means the entire class will now revolve around this one skill!This spell is retardedly anti-fun.
>>750884252Is this some esl saying from the third world or preddit or something?
>beta test>get upset that devs acted based on the results of the beta test gamer moment
>>750884315>removing abilities and lore events and quests and making all hard quests normal mode is a good thing actually
>>750884365it's a twitch meme unc, get with the times KEKW
To do list:>play tank>start groups for dungeons>ask people if they wanna group for tough quests>tell stories 'round the campfire>have funI'm gonna have a good time, bros.
>>750884472>tell stories 'round the campfireoh god this shit is going to be so cringe with all the 40yo trying to school the zoomies
>>750870628...Yoshi. He can't keep getting away with this.
>>750884521I meant fiction, not "remember back in my day" garbage. And even if that's cringe, I don't really care. People are far too concerned with being seen as weird or different nowadays.
Should I roll on PvE or RP? Annoying fag names got old on the Beta, hoping to avoid that with RP, also herd asmonroach and his army is rolling on the normal PvE server.
>>750884324Don't you have a huge warning screen on what abilities the boss is about to use, a cool down tracker for them, and a single button to press to activate your class's entire rotation? Honestly if you played anything that came after MoP I assume you're into DEI narratives and have your "preferred" pronouns on your social media, so your opinion on games and media means less than nothing
They got me. The temptation.
>>750884642Asmoncuck is rolling pvp so go pve
>>750879303Brown ESL
>>750884701You sure? heard he got camped relentlessly and swore of pvp servers
>>750884446Oh ok, I'm not a 14 year old faggot with no friends or an older child predator so I don't watch video game steamers or go on twitch
>>750871119>its actually insane how they have already made like 100 million from this garbage and the guys in charge dont know what they are doingSo, the same way that happens in retail and every expansion they keep missing the point.
>>750882263>hardNo, it was mostly tedious.
>>750884784Yes that happened back in 2019 but he said he was going pvp this time probably because he is more popular now and more people will orbit him
>>750884792>you have to be a pedophile to watch washed up balding male streamers interesting take
>>750877384>attack with your weapon every 1 second or lose dpsWhat were they THINKING??
>>750885064auto attack is retail slop tho
>>750866273Can't wait for onlyfangs> Be female streamer> Talk about how people keep suggesting there is something between you an male streamer> Talk about one story in particular> Fan comes up> Asks explicit questions about what she did with his cock> She says she has a husband> Wants them to stopGets gkicked for telling the story of what the fan said.
>>750884324Heroic Ulatek is a joke and I will not validate the people crying about it even to dunk on vanillatardsThe entire fight is just healers need to plan CDs for heroic which they never do, if you do that then you had a modest dps check that is completely negligible at this point
>>750884969They're there for the 14 year old faggots with no friends
>>750882532PvP on the other hand...
>>750884643You have all of that in vanilla except the boss doesnt actually have abilities and 1 button is truly min maxed
>>750878469nta but I'm also running 5000 bots on a i5 7600 and it's using like 20% of the cpu it's fucking crazy good
>>750885183kek that's going to be fun
>>750882263Retard
>>750867204Wish retarded zoomzooms would fuck off and play fortnite
>>750866273the game is gonna be a bigger shitshow than retail and classic combined can't wait for the meltdown
>>750885124Sounds like an annoying attention whore kept encouraging rumors for attention and then tried to get someone in trouble for asking about the rumors she kept encouraging. Good move kicking her before she could start forming a divisive faction within the guild. Probably a good idea to always kick any steamers really, especially female ones
do you guys think paladin will eventually be a plate wearing resilient healer? or stuck in a dress forever
>>750882263Its crazy that subhumans genuinely still believe thisIts been 7 years since classic came out and they still think theyre playing the hardcore version of the game
>>750885356Not on release but the noting to do plus store melty is going to be glorious >>750885385just use transmog
>>750885213You think there's no boss abilities and that there's any class that only has to use one button?
>>750878285They added this back a month ago dickhead
>>750878789>>750878902 Both factions having paladins makes Salv pointless. Paladins already bring a shit load of buffs and utility and were going to be the most stacked class because of it. Removing Salv and just baking the threat diff into tanks is one of the few good changes they made.
>>750885414lets see you wrangle 40 retards in naxx. and have like 20 whisper convos simultaneously with annoying loot goblins. vanilla raiding is million times harder logistically than anything in retoilet.
>>750885414remember when they ran mc with full greens and lvl 58s? that was so hard bro
>>750885518There arent mechanics the bosses are all tank n spank and vanilla mage, lock and hpal (along with probably others I didnt touch) are played optimally with 1 button
>>750885619t. put 'raid leader' on his resume (still NEET)
>>750866273Forever more like Foreddit, 0 direction from the devs and only implementing suggestions from reddit, and streamers, of course.
>>750885619>its hard because you get to play with the dumbest people aliveIf you put them into a heroic retail raid there would be literal meltdowns and rage quits by the 3rd boss
>>750875948Getting ignored by Blizzard (except when you're good) is part of the Shaman class fantasy. Zoomers really don't know anything.
>>750879128>he doubled down just give up ranjeet, you lost this one
it's actually extremely frustrating how much i wish i could stick my head in the sand and play this game pretending that they'll do the right thing eventually but every single word out of their mouth is either a lie about classic+ or an admission of retail-style game development.idk how they are so fuckin braindead about this. billions of dollars of net worth in blizzard and they can't fucking get this right when fuckers who did this shit for FREE did years ago.
>>750866273retail- bros....WE WONNED
>>750886289who the fuck asked nigga
>>750886289It's frustrating because you will never understand they are right and you're wrong.
>>750886289If it was retail styled it would actually be good you shit eating retardAll the class design is in the toilet because theyre cli ging desperately to vanilla mechanics and wont even go as far as wrath class design
>>750885619>vanilla is harder because only retards played vanillai cant disagree with you
>>750886416>>750886483>>750886524ok plebbit
I kinda like the new changes they've made to Paladin, especially prot, but they seem to have missed a massive opportunity with Shieldsworn and removing sanctuary>Shieldsworn is a minor increase in DPS (and therefore threat) with a massive increase in mana regen (4% mana regen every 6 sec) if you have shield spec>It doesn't trigger "on block" effects>With Sanctuary removed the paladins ability to deal passive damage is diminishedIt's a massive shame that on block effects can't be triggered at will and I seriously hope that they add some item that allows for it to happen and re-adds sanctuary, it would be fun if there were some way to build around it and it would fit right in with their "horizontal" philosophy, hell, if they add some plate gear that literally says "Allows Shield slam and Shieldsworn to proc on block effects" then both Warrior and Paladins could build around it and since they would both share a 6 sec cooldown then it wouldn't be that hard to balance between them either.
>>750886659Reddit loves vanilla, because theyre low IQ shitskins and dad gamers
>>750875948'class fantasies' has always been such a funny term to me. since when is my imagination about what should be possible in a game the final answer? it's the developer's imagination that i'm experiencing. i don't have a say. if i fantastically imagine that mario should be able to jump a certain distance and try for it and fall to my death, i don't then get to say 'the game didn't fit my fantasy of mario'. in a game you play by the developer's rules. when was it ever any different?
>>750886673>>It doesn't trigger "on block" effectsIt does though. It literally says in the talent that it triggers "all talents that activate when you block, without consuming charges".
>>750886992Its a buzzwords for "me and a dev think that canonically my class should be really overpowered"See release DK, MoP Warlock, release DH (in pvp mainly)
>>750887053Read what you wrote again anon, but much slower this time and really think about what it means
>>750866273Blizzard has never, at any point in WoW’s history, been capable of actually balancing the game, or properly tuning any of the content in it. Every time they just throw a bunch of shit at the wall, pull every lever at once and let their faggot golem playerbase playtest it live and maybe do another round of throwing shit at the wall
>>750884686have fun not being able to login to your account at some point in the future
What professions should I go as a troll hunter?
>>750871119The same thing is happening as in 2005. They are literally don't have time to prepare and develop the game. The joke is cosmic sized.
>>750886289Same. They should have just licensed it. The problem is the company. I'll be moving on.
>>750871119when you, as a company, focus on highlighting that >30+ percent of new hires self-identify as female!it's a given your product will suffer. sad
>>750888526Skinning/herbalism Max profit
>Try to get my wife to play>Realize that she is either retarded or pretends to be retarded when I have to walk her through the whole process of redeeming a launch code and logging inI just need to stop trying. Had to babysit her for a month solid playing Fallout 76 and that game is still clearly way over her head.
>>750866273So if you pay for a sub do you get classic and retail as well or is it three separate subscriptions?
>>750888930dont do it. getting my wife to play wow was the worst mistake of my life.
>>750889037You get>Forever>Classic>Retail (sans latest expansion content, you have to buy the expansion for that)on a single sub
I can't decide which ruleset to play
>>750889037You can also play retail for free til level 20 and for forever you can get a invite a friend code somewhere surely for the first week for free.
>>750888930Wow either clicks or it doesnt with women. If you do like gta evry girl I know of at least enjoys.fucking around in that game.
>>750885279wtf, is it vanilla and can they finish all dungeons?
>>750885279if you die in content do the bots just suicide so you dont get a free ride or can they just finish it for you
>>750875948Guess I know which class im playingEveryone calls it shit, and im quite the shitter myself, just take it easy on me bros, ill be an alliance jew shaman
>>750873135yes, bots were found in Blackrock Depths pickpocketing the npcs in the arena-stands 24/7, which turned out to be a crazy easy gold farm, they nerfed how pickpocketing works from that point on, even though it'd be easy to just remove any loot drops from neutral npcs in dungeons via pickpocketing.Yes, Classic WoW was horribly mismanaged when it came to bot-control and Forever will not be any different i fear.
>>750879234desu, if i was an alliance tranny in general, i would run far away from the pvp server too, because unless Asmongold declares a crusade on the pvp servers, horde will absolutely DOMINATE, and it wont even be funny.Which is a real problem, because Alliance has always been the soiboy redditor containment faction, the worst MMO social experiences of my life are post faction-transfer onto horde pvp servers. Terrible people.
>>750889635what if you dont get to raid because you play shaman?
>>750889897Playing with irl friends mostly, few online buddies are supposedly showing up too, probably going to have a 10 man group at the very least, the elitist of the group knows better than to press me in any vidya we play together by now too so im not worried
im an autistic retard with no friends or futureserver/race/class for this feel?
>>750889830Asmon is going to play an alt on PVP. Not sure if Alliance or Horde, probably Alliance though.
Are we still doing rppvp to avoid streamers?
TO THE SHADOOOOOOWS
How the hell do you do class fantasy fun without also pissing off pvpers?
>>750889897shamans are the kings of raid healing in classic wow, you will always get a slot if you put on the dress, always.
blizzsisters...the players are rioting...
>>750890212yeah im sure he'll mostly do it off-stream or something, which wont help. A healthy pop balance on pvp servers is absolutely critical, even moreso when we're all sharing the same soulless megaserver, and by all accounts, its gonna be ~80-20% in horde favour, which i do NOT want.
>>750889110why?
>>750877903I bet those pizzas cost 20 dollars now, and they have less toppings on them and get delivered by an untrustworthy gig jobber.
>>750866273Pajeets are not good a math and it shows on everything they touch.
>>750890702I don't know about that, he did PVP on beta and was very successful. It's easy to enjoy PVP when you have like 150,000 people at your back.
>>750890334OUT HERE GENERATING MANAHEALTHPUTTING OUT DAMAGEWE ARE DOING IT ALL HELL YEAH BABY
>>750890662I havmt played the beta. What are shamans supposedly mad about?
>>750890851Somehow Dominos is still dirt cheap. They've gotta be made with sawdust or something because they are legitimately the cheapest fast food on the market right now.
>>750866273i still haven't picked what ruleset i wanna play oni have to pick soon guys...
>>750891497layering ruined pvp
>>750891261the most expensive part of a pizza is the cheese, not the breaddominos doesn't use mozzerella cheese. they use 'pizza cheese'
>>750891553wasn't going to play on pvp server anyway
>>750886992It's very simple. The warrior has a class fantasy of bashing things with weapons. The warlock has a class fantasy of using forbidden magic. If you rolled a warrior only to find out actually it's primarily designed to cast spells or use guns, they would have failed to live up to the "class fantasy" sold by the class, it's not rocket science you mindless psued
>>750891561>>750891261I am sorry to say that I still actually like dominos. I know, I disgust even myself.
>>750891553I'll be coming out of the layer threshhold put two dots on niggas and dips back into the void while they die.I call that peak pvp.
>>750890787nta but why would you purposefully get your wife to play online games with other men?
>>750890787at first it was really fun to level characters and eventually do raids with her.but after some time she had difficulties to stop playing and tend to real life duties and it got worse with passing time. this has caused more and more friction between us over the years. in the end she got home from work at 7pm, went online without eating or doing chores, had 4-5 raid days per week and played until 2-3am or sometimes the whole night, even though she had work next morning. only the game mattered to her, nothing else. she treated it like a second job where (in her opinion) people from her guild depended on her to be online. she then ended our relationship after 11 years saying and i quote "i cant be myself if i dont raid at least 4 days per week".
kekazoo its going to be retail lite just like i said two weeks ago, LMAO!
>>750891561That might be why I don't like their pizza and I just never put my finger on it. That and the spam of seasoning all over it
>>750866273They had such a strong initial vision and then they started listening to feedback and the project instantly fell apart
>>750891752
>>750891701its alright. its my pizza of choice as well. well, their wings and cheese breads
Why would anyone believe the same devs that made retail what it is today would be able to do anything different when building off classic?The same people making the awful decisions in retail are the same people you are trusting to not fuck it up here.Its madness to think they ever would be able to deliver.
>>750886992"Class fantasy" is supposed to mean actually getting to fulfill that classes identity in a diagetic way the game world, ie, you fight like one and have the utility that class should have.However, 99.9% of the time when some trans freak brings it up, it just means "I should be overpowered," because their class fantasy is winning every fight easily and being highly respected with no effort.
>>750866875based
>*Saps you out of nowhere*
>>750891859but wait, the opposite of both those things is true!
Why get rid of lava burst. I liked that spell when it was first introduced. I guess rogue is my first character.
>>750891737I was just interested in that anon's story>>750891752yeah the abandoning chores and then life as a whole was my assumption. sad
Is the RP server gonna be dead as fuck, should I just roll normal PvE? How long did the RP servers in Classic last?
>>750890197Alliance pvp (NA if that matters)Or play with /vg/ but yeah I really wouldn't recommend that unless you're already in the cliques
>increased damage output and healthso nothing changed? just cooler numbers to look at
>>750885585they renamed it not removed it
>>750893581Grobbulus was peak classic and the only real community if we're being real. I don't think RPPvP will be as good but it's the closest we will get.
>>750878073I can't believe those British Jews charge more for that browser game than WoW.
>>750893581RP servers lasted into BC pretty long but the people who played on those servers were a different breed of person. Now anyone who is on an RP server is an insufferable tranny faggot
>enhancement shaman buffed across the board cool
>>750886289retail style gameplay with carefully designed classes, levels and worlds played in a game where patches dont invalidate previous grinds is exactly what i wanted
>>750893730They removed it totally in last night's patch notes
>took a week off>friend wanted me to join his guild and so I did and got a raid spot as a hunter>will enjoy the 5 mans with my buddiesit will be damn good for 2 or so months for sure
Will the add-ons that worked in the beta work day one?
amazing update the game will be an entire 5% faster!people will quit this game in 3 month when they realize it's the same game.
HOLY FK YOU RETARDS THE FRICTION IS WHAT MAKES THE GAME FUN HOW COME THEY DONT GET IT AT ALL
>>750897141>people will quit this game in 3 monthshitposters need to workshop this talking point more with their 'cord membersThis is not a negative lmao
>>750878382>>750878546>>750878620this ruins the spirit of an mmo and is honestly pretty sad. hopefully your private jerkfest is fun.>yeah, 5,000 player-bots running in the background, ollama to simulate chat. The lads think they’re all real peoplethat's fucking depressing
>>750897304it is. they'll quit after 3 months of playing 1-2 hours a day because the game is boring. wow is boring.
beartanks losing BERSERK which cleared fear and give immunity to fear for 15 seconds is objectively an infinitely worse decision and major nerf to druids all to buff priests and warlocks who are already infinitely scaled for deeps and heelz but you dont see all us furfags losing our collective shit about it even tho we should desu
>>750897436druids forma de melee are still going to rape though
>painstakingly came up with names for all ten characters that I would likely one day make (all 9 classes and a bank alt), which are:>RP friendly, appropriate to their race and class, and ALL innuendos (but not too obscene to get reported, or too subtle to not be noticed)I'm ready for Forever. Going to do so much ERPing.Some asshole better not have taken any during the paid name reservation thing, but I'm ready to grab them on launch.
>>750897320ok
>>750896292i guess it makes sense, paladins are useful enough, tanking doesn’t need to be totally different depending on whether you have a paladin in the group
>>750897628I hope you have fun anon but keep your expectation low
>He fell for BLIZZSLOP.. AGAIN
ive mostly accepted that gaming as a whole is dead. even if u wanna play 'good games' u have to get a $3,000 pc. u will unironically own nothing.
How many times will the devs will flip-flop on their positions? Even or odd number?
>>750866273>we couldnt add new abilities without nerfing old ones, so instead we buffed all the enemies!Why not just not add new abilities that make the old ones nearly useless?
>>750897141>it's the same gameit's arguably worse because it injects retoilet into classic
>>750875948>the colorsI'm nooticing.
>>750898597>guys i'm noticing there's water in the oceanwow you are so observant sis
>>750866875incel faggot>>750892387retarded and wrong
ban blizzfaggots
>>750878073>Grinding: The Game>Good
>>750867116Classic exists. Anyone that wants 1:1 vanilla (or the 1:0.9999 that technically Classic is) can go play it. Forever is another seasonal server; a new twist on an old favorite, like SoD.
>playing this fucking trash in 2027my dude you need to find a proper rope and end your misery already you are doing this to yourself
WoW players are peak goyim. Do they still believe Blizzard won't fuck them in the ass as they did for the past 10+ years?
>said the discord sisters, still pretending to be janniesLOL
Alexbros.....
>>750898097<it kept the cody lane nose piercingkino
I dont give a fuck about anything else, how's enhancement shaman tanking
>>750904339lol, lmao
>>750904339cmon man
>>750904339NEVER fucking EVER
>>750904339
It's over.
>>750904339It's fine for 5 mans. Stack agil stam and int, put points in the dodge and stam talents. The best part is your agro with chain lightning pulls, lightning shield, earth shock, fire nova on larger packs and the the new aggro related shit in the tree, mana regen is great when you get improved stormstrike. The drawback is you can't queue as tank and you should have an alch alt or alch on your shammy for agility exlixers and pots that give armor. It's five man tanking though, like just aim yourself at tanking five mans for your gold salary if you don't like other types of farming which is me and of course tanks get to roll on Ironfoe and neither resto, enhance or elie ever can.
>>750866273>we increased damage numbers. >To offset this, we increased health valueswow it's fucking nothing
>>750907462he says while executing a 20 million mortal strike onto a 99 billion hp 5 man boss in retail
>>750907462one is going to be higher than the other and it'll probably be the player power
>>750867116it was literally called classic plus by the devs, so yeah.
>we raised player damage>and also raised monster healthSo nothing changed LMAOOOO BLIZZTURDS
>>750907462I liked how there was no consideration for PVP balance, people are going to fucking rip
MASSIVE SHADOW PRIEST DMG INCREASE.... TO THEMSELVES
>tier pieces locked behind group contentgreat can't wait to ask people for help and get silence in response because there isn't anything in it for them
I cant be the only one who really wants to like this and go balls deep in with impregnation in mind. But i already set the clock to when blizzard finds a way to fuck this one up too. Lets be real here, everything blizzard touched for the last decade if not more, turned to liquid shit with no exceptions.So question is when? And How? Am i really allowed to enjoy it this time? Can blizzard just be not retarded for once?
>>750909747they already did. even if you ignore the pandora's box that is paygated races, they increased player power in the pre-release fixes and nerfed a bunch of caves that were """too hard for solo players"""
>>750909850did you actually play the beta? Monsters spawning the second they die was retarded as fuck You sound like you have no fucking clue what you're talking about
>>750866273>You deal more damage>But everything has more health...so, you don't deal more damage?
>>750910251mobs spawn more quickly when there's more people around! shocking!!!retard
>>750908435Isn't that how PVP already works in classic?>Shaman casts elementary mastery>Shaman casts Chain lightning>The moment it connects also casts Earth Shock>Graveyard.exe
>>750910319One of those is probably a bigger increase than the other.
>>750910319a pvp encounter lasts for 2 seconds now
Are you telling me blizzard fucked up? *gasp* how could this be?! We only had 15 years prior experience of bad shit, this time it was supposed to be different!
>>750910419is this bait? ele shamans are a joke in pvp, one interrupt and they're sitting ducks, they have no other elements for filler.enh was the only threat and it required proper gear and good RNG, only a guild lead by downie retards would give something like sulfuras to a fucking enh shaman over a warrior
>>750910328fucking tard
>>750911012go back to retail shitter how the fuck are you getting your ass handed to you in the starting zone. jesus christ. no wonder retail is full of guardrails if retards like you are playing
>>750879303Hey, I've seen this one before! This is a classic!
>>750875948So what specifically got fucked with shamans
>>750911934for elemental? they took out lava burst which means their rotation is lightning bolt and flame shock (just like real vanilla elemental)for enhancement? the itemization is still a clownshow managed by someone who's never played a shaman, which means they need caster gear (they NEVER used caster gear this in ANY version of retail)for resto? riptide was turned into a shitty renew that requires a 31 talent point investmentfor all of them? ghost wolf is so deep in the tree basically only enhancement has access to it
>>750911181>seething so hard he invents a person to be mad about doing a thing he invented in a situation he invented which does not reflect realitythis dumb fuck is still LARPing like he knows what that was about LOLfucking TARD
>>750912081hit a nerve i seedon't worry lil buddy you can always ask someone else to hold your hand in the scary kobold cave
>>750898097Is there a full video or just that edit?
>>750912721>hit a nerve i see>says the seething retard writing fan fiction about anons lol
>>750866273The game is coming out in 24 hours. They had an entire month of beta and they're still making radical changes.I think it's time for a refund.
>>750866273What's the best class and spec for comfy solo leveling?
>>750912954hunter
>>750912954warlock
>>750885619>logisticallyWho fucking cares. The easiest retail raid is a harder mechanical challenge than the hardest vanilla raid could ever be.
What's the best class and spec for balls to the walls hard and slow as fuck solo leveling?
>>750912989>>750913036Buying ammo/farming soulstones is very uncomfy. I just want to go out and have as close to 0 downtime as possible.
>>750913165this is classic. downtime is part of the game.
>>750912954Usually BM Hunter. (possible survival turns out to be even better this time though)
>>750913165>as close to 0 downtime as possibletroll rogue/warrior
>>750913165You don't have to farm soulstones while leveling. You just need 1 for your VW if you die
>>750913165You have to go back to turn in quests, and hubs will have an ammo vendor. Its a non-issue
>>750913165oh no you have to kill an enemy every now and then with soul drain how uncomfythese are the people giving feedback to blizzard, btw.
>>750898097sauce me up
>>750913764>just don't upgrade your skills or get new ones so you can buy ammo instead The game is too stingy with money for this shit.
>>750913165> I just want to go out and have as close to 0 downtime as possible.retailfag...
wtf is this game even supposed to be lol, who does it appeal to? It brought over none of the improved class gameplay from SoD and added some fag race from retail, for who? Who wanted this rubbish?It's like Blizzard saw what people wanted and just did the opposite
>>750914018>stingyAre you spending all your vendor trash and quest reward money on gift wrap?
>>750866273forever will flop
>>750914085Forever is for retail players.
Never ask an alliance player the race of his wife.
>>750914141lots of people, zoomie. these threads consistently hit 500 posts and tons of people have their friends glazing all over it and celebrating their gangs coming back together
>>750914347You mean the marketing wing of Microsoft which likely has a bigger budget than the entirety of Blizzard? Yes I can see you Raj
>>750914421meds
>>750914141Oh no, I was hoping for more vanilla quests that involve collecting 12 boar butts. I guess it’s joever, WoW forever will not recover from this.
>>750914479>Oh no, I was hoping for more vanilla quests that involve collecting 12 boar butts.Lucky you then, that's all there is
>>750885619Wow sounds difficult for 1/40th of the raid.What part of this is supposed to be difficult or challenging for me though?
>>750898097>>750904295>search for this because looks hot as fuck>these cody lane girls looks nothing like her>it's some sort of deepfakeWell shit
>>750886289Step 1: get the fuck off /v/Step 2: stop reading the screaming_baby.jpg retards on discord or reddit or whatever. Just play the game and live your life and dial back on looking to see every retarded nigger's opinion on everything.Games are pretty fun when there isn't a horde faggots screaming about how shit it is around you.
rofl"how can we make Vanilla worse", said the Retail devsWhen the nukes fly I sorely hope Irvine is the first to get hit
>>750914865>stop asking questions and just consume product
>>750914865>just pay for the dogshit goy"no"
>>750914923>>750914959Yes, you're such a free thinker.One day you'll learn.
>>750915457>One day you'll learn.I learned a long time ago that Blizzard is shit, Raj
>>750915457learn what? to be a hypocrite and tell people on social media to not browse social media and just throw their standards away? everyone sees through your ruse, ranjeet.
>>750914421Yes schizo-anon, every popular upcoming release is only popular because of paid astroturfers, bad games never flop, they just aren't advertised enough!Retard.
>>750914897The fuck?
>>750867204The people who want the accessible modernized slop you want will stick with retail.
>>750867204this is a retirement home for soillennials too disenfranchised with retail but too stupid to know it's the same fucking retards developing the gameit's not meant to attract new players
>>750915556If Blizzard is your problem then stop playing WoW. The anon I was replying to expressed that he wishes he could ignore all this. If he wants to ignore all that, then step 1 is to get off 4chan and step 2 is to avoid the rest of the "community", because nobody bitches and moans more about Blizzard than WoW players. What I say is true and you know it.>>750915558Learn that hearing endless negativity does you no good. Do you have reading comprehension issues?>throw standards awayIf you had standards you wouldn't be here on 4chan whining about how yet again you're going to play a game made by a company you hate. Just don't play the game. Have standards.
>>750877348Fuck off anon
>>750915686Based retard
>>750915628notice how you haven't supported your arguments with any reasons why this game is good or why people should play itall you do is attack people who observe negative things about the game
>>750867204they set up gamepad control primes the game for console releases and the mere fact it's a fresh start allows zoomies who don't want to touch retail because they've already missed on two decades of fomo to touch the game without feeling left behindif you think this isn't going to bring in any new players, you're just retarded.
>>750915809>If Blizzard is your problem then stop playing WoW.I'm not playing wow you fucking idiot, why even respond to me?
>>750915858it's not my job to sell the game to people you fucking schizo shitskin retardI don't give a single shit what some brown retard who can't even run the game on his PC thinks about anything
>>750916001then why are you in a wow thread? you might not play the game but the game sure lives in your head rent free
I don't know what server to play>pveif pvp is shit, but might be infested with streamers>pvp might be shit because of layering>rp pvemight be homosexual>rp pvpmight be homoesxual
>>750916001>it's actually extremely frustrating how much i wish i could stick my head in the sand and play this game pretending that they'll do the right thing eventually but every single word out of their mouth is either a lie about classic+ or an admission of retail-style game development.You literally said right here in this post that you wish you could stick your head in the sand and play this game. If you aren't playing WoW, you're saying you want to.
>>750915858no i just see drooling retards and schizo's with narcissism shit up threads with inane, easily-disproven conspiracy theories, and i want them to shut up and stop attention-whoring.Yes, there's shills for SOME games, no, they don't influence much, no you aren't special and this isn't all 'happening to just you' you autismal faggot. No, a super-popular game like wowforever is not being shilled anywhere, its all organic, cope and stfu.
>>750916098you aren't forced to rp. and people don't rp inside dungeons. it's just a pve realm with some theatre kids being cringe in the wild here and then.
>>750916030>it's not my job to sell the gameThen why are you replying?
>>750916057>then why are you in a wow thread?To warn people not to waste money on it
>>750916387and has the number of people you convinced reached single digits yet?
>>750916189>inane, easily-disproven conspiracy theoriesYet you've done nothing to disprove them
>>750916429What does that have to do with anything? Have you convinced people to buy it by attacking people who have real concerns?
>>750916156>You literally said right here in this post that you wish you could stick your head in the sand and play this game.I didn't post that and I think you misunderstood it anyway. The toothpaste is out of the tube Sanjay, you can't put it back.
>>750916548turning the question around doesn't work here, i'm not convincing people to buy the game (not that they need it). all i'm doing is calling out retards for making retarded posts
>>750916639>i'm not convincing people to buy the gameYou're a shill, that's exactly what you're here for
>>750916706
>shaman discord reopened after zero (0) changes announced from blizzardWhy are shitman mains such cucks?
>>750916726>still hasn't said why the criticism is wrong>still hasn't said why the game is good>still hasn't said anything about the game at allrofl
>>750885124>OnlyFangswhat
>>750916831So he hasn't done the things shills do? lol lmao
>>750916337because this is an image board and I want to, you fucking moronWhy are you even here?
>>750916791>the 2026 version of busshock was even more retarded and gayLOL sham men indeed
>>750885124you need to remove yourself from this 18+ website right now, twitchkiddie
>>750916962>shills >using the english language to make convincing argumentsLOL
>>750916482>>750916706>people keep disagreeing with my inane, schizo-spam>every poster on 4chan exists to either agree with me, or they're a shill upsetting meyou might be very autistic anon, but you're 5x more narcissistic. You, Aren't, Special. Nobody cares what you think, stop telling us, stop ruining threads. We will continue to like what you don't like, calling others shills does nothing but annoy.
>>750917593>disagreeingWhere? You haven't said how I'm wrong
pvp or rppvp, sisters?
