No wonder Tim Sweeney is always seething over Valve.
>>750877645THE FUTURE IS NOW, LUDDITE! AI IS CREATIVE
>>750877645Why would he seethe over Valve for this? Valve uses AI, Gabe supports AI, there's no filtering out AI projects and you don't have to mention AI usage if it's for coding.AI is here to stay. No one's going to go back to writing everything by hand anymore, AI assisted coding isn't even the future, it's the present.
Timmys plan is to kill PC and Steam with endless floods of AI slopYOU are NOT ready
>>750877905So how bout that market downturn
I don't play games made with unreal engine. They all feel the same.
>>750877905So now you're memoryholing how Timmy cried hard about the AI disclosure several times?
will it run on on 2010 hardware? because if no then it doesn't matter.
>>750877905open up timmy tencents twitter and count the tweets bitching about valve not giving him attentionhe's a little faggot who deserves the bubble that's coming his way
>>750877956Tell me honestly anon, do you believe that businesses will simply stop using AI? You think they won't use a locally hosted in house AI?Worst case scenario is that it won't be writing entire systems, tests and projects but will still be used for busywork.If the AI bubble pops, your quality of life will drop overnight, so will mine. Has that happened? No, so it's a nothing burger until your money has been inflated into nothingness and you and I are struggling so much we can't afford to post on 4chan.
>>750877645Is Tim retarded? Multiple of his staff are against this. They are going to leave and make their own engine if this continues. Removing legacy features also is fucking insane to do considering many people in the industry worked using them for years. It's literally fucking over developers overBy the way, NOTHING is actually stopping developers to just keep using the previous version too. Some are already doing this, even AAA. I suspect this will be a lot more common in the future.
AI is useless.Can't decomp.Can't goon. Why else do I need it?For Wikipedia?!
>>750878020No I don't know anything about him.Steams official policy is that you only need to disclose AI usage in assets for the final game. Temporary palceholders during development and AI generated code in the final product can be used without having to disclose it.Per Steams policy.>>750878025Yeah I know he's a faggot but it's not related to UE6 unless UE6 is going to AI generate assets to.UE6 AI generating code isn't anything for him to bitch about because Steam allows it.
>>750878080>Is Tim retarded?Sure looks like it if you observe his behavior over the last several years. Pretty sure he's got AI psychosis now too, it's only getting worse.
>>750878112UE6 isn't just adding a new feature though, look at what was announced, it's literally built to make regular coding more complicated and literally erasing all of the blueprint feature, all to push this AIcrapAt this point I'm starting to believe Tim did some partnership with a company behind the scene and it's why he's pushing this. Either this or he really want to be part of the silicon valley "elites";This new version of the engine literally makes making game more complicated for existing developers. It's targeted at people who never were going to make games before. It's the engine equivalent to replace the iconic main character with some annoying girlboss to "hit a new audience".
>>750877956Eh. All an "AI bubble" means is that there won't be a bunch of smaller companies running try to compete with OpenAI, Anthropic and such. It'll be like the dot.com thing where all the "bursting" does is consolidate everything to the ones already in the lead. The idea of it meaning that AI disappears is the most idiotic take you can have.
>>750878024haha... 32gb ram minimum for a 2d game
the prison bars are a nice touch
>>750878243Ah, so you read the OP but don't actually know what UE6 changes?The change is away from blueprints and visual scripting completely. It's going to be entirely code based that compiled which very surprisingly means the visual scripting/blueprints which is no longer supported doesn't actually work anymore.>more complicated for existing developersNo it makes it more complicated for UE5 "game designers" that can't code and are losing the guard rails that enabled them to produce slop.The swap is purely because AI interfaces with coding easier because visual scripting is a niche gimmick in the real world. If AI could do visual scripting as cheaply and efficiently as it can coding, they'd never abandon the guard rails.
>>750878447You are fucking stupid, blueprint was used since before 5 and it also became industry standard everywhere. There's a shitload of developers, including veteran, who now does most things using it. There's literal games made almost only using it including very successful ones, and many new hires also focus on using it. Removing a beloved feature to push something most people don't want is utter bullshit.You know nothing about the video game industry you pretender.
>>750878580Not to mention the whole blueprint system was just taken from asset creation softwares like video editors and animation programs.
>>750877645I bet 20 bucks they won't fix the horrific stuttering issues.
>>750877645Tim looks like he should be in a nursing home. What happened to that spry little guy climbing trees....
>>750878580>>750878814Oh I get it, you're one of those no code fags and you're upset that not only is UE pivoting back to code, AI can surpass any attempt you make at learning to code.
>>750877763>I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
>>750877645Unreal 6.....7
>>750877645I have plenty of "old" games to play and keep me occupied. This doesn't affect me in the slightest.
>>750879173And you are a man pretending to be a developer when you never ever made anything or had any interest before this, as it's all a grift for most of you people. YWNBAD
>>750879143>Timmy looks sickly>Gaben looks like a gigaCHADMy my my how the turn tables
>>750877645i hope it's dlss 5 with zero performance inpact and zero stutters at 10x pass!
>>750877645>Israel Engine
>all ue5 games will get -70% fps tax they can't dodge because mandatory updatesAre you ready for the live service implosion?
>>750877645>NNOOOOOO I MUST HATE AI EVEN THOUGH IM NOT AN ARTFAG OR A PROGRAMMER I MUUUUUUSSSTTTTactual mental illness
>>750880932Fuck yes, please link association with Jewish people. When people see the Unreal logo, they should immediately think of Gaza.
>>750877645@UnrealGPT6Make Unreal Tournament 4.Make no mistakes!
>nukes visual scripting spaghettiThe impact of this planet killer asteroid is being greatly overlooked.
>>750877645Based Tim "Yer gunna learn ta swim in AI shitslop Sim's" Sweeny.Hes a man that knows the future and wants to stay ahead. He really has our back.
>>750881068>Unreal Tournament (UE4 reboot/UT4) was the ninth installment of the Unreal series and fifth installment of the Unreal Tournament series. It was under development for Microsoft Windows, OS X, and Linux. It was meant to be the first main entry in the series since 2007's Unreal Tournament 3, being developed by Epic Games with contribution of the community. On December 14, 2022, during Epic Games announcement of the shutdown of all their online services in order to concentrate everything on Epic's own Epic Online Services, it was revealed that this game would be rendered inaccessible starting from January 24, 2023. Since then, the game survives via the fan project UT4UU.
>Nuking C++, actors and blueprintsGenuinely why?For all of UE5's hiccups and problems the blueprint and actor system were genuinely a great way for entry to mid level programing knowledge people to make games and visually see what the fuck was going on.Why not just keep those systems AND add your AI horseshit to complement each other?
So what i'm hearing is that many developers will stick with unreal engine 5 instead.
>>750881157>the game survives via the fan project UT4UUDecompile it and make it play like UT2k4.NO MISTAKES!
>>750881171The "AI" can't deal with the visual crap.
>>750881248Unpopular opinion: progress stalled because what was there wasn't all the good in the first place. UT3 was just awful (hoverboards). And based too much of what they were doing on UT2k4. Also a janked mess.
>>750881325God, I had forgotten about the hoverboards. I remember pirating UT3, playing 15 minutes of it, getting disgusted by the roided out models and the game's feel, and going back to u2k4 to frag egyptian and bdsm whores.
>>750877645Gaben supports AI too retard.
>>750881325>>750882012Retard. Hoverboards were great for Warfare, and they were only there and in VCTF. Why? Because mobility. Slow-ass movement and traversal where the few things that made 2k4's Onslaught a drag. So they fixed that with hoverboards, and that added an extra gameplay mechanic, which was great.>by the roided out modelsYes, that was a genuine issue with 3 - too much baggage from Gears of War. And it was not just roided models - some UI elements and shaders too.>and the game's feelThat was indeed engine's issue AND Gears of War shaders and art-direction. It made the game feel a bit claustrophobic and compressed.
>>750881171>Why not just keep those systems AND add your AI horseshit to complement each other?Because you don’t burn any tokens when using C++ or Blueprints.If you train your future developers to work within your engine solely through AI only, you may end up making them hostage, when you rise the costs of using AI in the future
>>750877645I already assume everything made in UE5 is low effort AI slop with some asset store slop sprinkled on top.
>>750879173>you're upset that not only is UE pivoting back to code,Blueprint is just another new optional interface. Toon Boom has 3 interfaces you can choose from, traditional animation Xsheet, Photoshop-style layers or Network modules which is the same as the Blueprints in UE. The benefit of the interface is simply you being able to visually see hierarchies between layers and effects better. The ones below are subservient to ones above.
UE always looked like slop
>>750877645If AI is so smart, it's going to lower specs requirements for vidya by half, right?
>>750878043>If the AI bubble pops, your quality of life will drop overnight, so will mine.Speak for yourself
>>750878043>If the AI bubble pops, your quality of life will drop overnight, so will mine.I'm already poor as fuck. GPUs and CPUs falling in price would only be beneficial.
>tfw you can't code your dream game because the AI takes offense to something you want to include
if every game uses AI then AI disclosure doesn't even matter.>well i'll just boycott everything except for games made by autistic east europeans who built their own damn game engine!DOMINATING and Styg-pilled.
>>750878043>Tell me honestly anon, do you believe that businesses will simply stop using AI?If/when Claude stops being subsidized and price skyrockets, then yes.More importantly: regular people will stop using it too. All those free tools are a retarded money sink.>You think they won't use a locally hosted in house AI?Probably not but that adds complexity and they would need employees to do AI-related shit.>If the AI bubble pops, your quality of life will drop overnight, so will mineNo, it won't. I will stop seeing so much slop online and employers might actually start hiring people again.
Can't wait until companies reverse course in 5 years about AI and realize it was more work to unfuck shit than to replace people withBesides ofc jeets bc AI is about as smart as them, if not just more reliable for the baseline bare minimums
>>750878043>If the AI bubble pops, your quality of life will drop overnight, so will mine.Explain how, please.
>>750877645Windows and Linux both use vibecode now. It's over you can't escape it
>>750889924>More importantly: regular people will stop using it too. All those free tools are a retarded money sink.AI chats are now so cheap that there's no point turning them off. Google will always have the AI answer thing in it
>>750893194well you see trillionaires will lose billions of dollars this will affect you because it makes the magic economy numbers like gdp look smaller even though literally nothing changes for you and you'll live just as miserably as you're living right now
>>750893194nta but the entire US economy is based on AI psychosis right nowIf the bubble pops, everything pops. I remember 2008, your quality of life will not improve
>>750893372>literally nothing changes for yout. not old enough to remember the last financial crisisOh you'll feel the changes alright
>>750877645>c++ gone >replaced with python Holy fuck ue6 performance is going to be absolute ASS
>e33 devs shill blueprints to everyone and say they made the game entirely due to that >removed in UE6
>>750893405>prices collapse because companies still need to move product>things get cheaper (except the price hikes that are only from the cost of petrol because hurr durr let's start more middle east wars and rape all the petrol availability)>the only people who actually lose are the subhumans who invested in cleverbot 2.0
>>750877645Why is it that 20 years ago no one had a problem making their own engines but now this shit has a monopoly and games still take the better part of a decade to make?
>Verse is so dogshit they want the standard to be developers not having to write it themselves wwwwww
If UE5 makes every computer go 120%fans what will happen if you launch a UE6?
>>750894636graphics API's kept getting more and more needlessly complex.the golden age was at the height of directx 7-9, piss easy to develop for with basic code.now you need 700 lines of boilerplate to get one triangle on screen and a phd in computer science to even begin to attempt to optimize for it instead of just letting the driver handle the hard stuff.they kept saying libraries would appear to replace the old high level functionality, but it never happened.
>no C++>no Blueprintswhat?
>>750877645Who is this for?
>>750895008Investors.
>>750894636Once upon a time it was just a cost-cutting measure, so developers could skip right to the game part for quicker turnaround (and not have to specifically hire engine programmers). But then it turned into a trend, which became the standard, then the AAA started scaling up, so UE was easier to learn than a company's specific C++ codebase. >>750894886graphics APIs are not to blame.
>>750877645Isn’t that all of the scripting systems? What’re they gonna do?
>>750894920Timmy hired a famous Haskell developer to help him design his new language.So he's gonna force people to use it so he feels like it wasn't a wasted investment. https://verselang.github.io/book/00_overview/
>>750877645>rugpull every single developer out of the workflow they've been maintaining for over 20 years of engine's existence>expect devs to just start learning a brand new experimental, untested workflow from scratchIt's gonna be an absolute shitshow. Most devs will just stay on 5.9 or 4.27 or jump ship to forks like Vite or even other engines like g*dot. I've gotta admit, watching Tim slowly kill your source of income kinda fucking sucks.
>>750877645epics going bankrupt! epics going bankrupt! mmm the smell of desperation when AI can just clone your entire engine and business.
>>750895136they absolutely are. making a basic opengl or dx9 engine is piss easy, having to micro-optimize like john carmack just to get anything to render is retarded
>>750894636>Why is it that 20 years ago no one had a problem making their own engines but now this shit has a monopoly and games still take the better part of a decade to make?Its just layer upon layer of requirements, starting from scratch and you have to get modern level lighting, shaders, animation rigging. Its just stupid to try building it yourself even with AI assistance its really impractical unless you're doing a retro game with PS1 level graphics for fun.
>>750877645Which part of this says the engine is going to be built fundamentally on AI slop? That's your claim. Point to the part of this picture which supports any part of your claim.
>>750895884Sweeney has been a vocal AI shill for a long time.
>>750894636>see Renderware logo>turn game off and refundWOW lazy fucking devs not making their engines from scratch the soul is GONE
>>750895649>having to micro-optimize like john carmack just to get anything to render is retardedYou're confusing concepts.Vulkan/DX12 are just explicit APIs which cause the verbosity or the "1000 lines for a triangle"(which is a meme in itself). But by default, naive programs in them will be faster than naive opengl. And Vulkan exists because AAA developers were reaching the ceiling of what you could do with OpenGL. It's why Vulkan isn't the same blackbox that handles everything for you like opengl.It's a graphics API with a purpose.
>>750877645Nothing wrong with AI assistance. Letting the AI do all the work without anyone reviewing it is the only real problem
>>750893354Google said their AI answer thing was causing them to lose money just last week. Their plan is to spam even more ads in hopes of subsidizing the AI generated losses but there's no telling if that will work or for how long.
>>750896032Agreed. So where is the part about UE6 being built around AI?
>>750896106All AAA games where you can choose between DX11 and Vulkan, DX11 runs way faster. Even AAA's can't make proper use of it. The only game on Vulkan that actually ran well was Doom 2016.>But by default, naive programs in them will be faster than naive opengl.That's just a lie. Low level API's can't even be programmed naively in the first place.The extreme complexity for basic implementations is a massive barrier to indies developing their own tech. Indies made their own (impressive) engines left right and center when XNA was supported, now they all use unreal.Low level API's are just corporate ladder pulling, nothing more.
>>750896363kill yourself.
>>750878370Companies didn't survive the dotcom bubble bursting by "being in the lead," they survived because they were already making enough money to continue operations off of their own revenue after the investor hype vanished and the free money disappeared.Please point to the AI company that generates sufficient profit to continue their normal business without a constant inflow of investment money.
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>>750896442>wahhhh just let me post my clickbait spam in peace you're just supposed to read my title and believe it you're not supposed to check what the image actually says
>>750893194>number go down>investors/finance guys panic>stop existing investments >more mass layoffs to drop costs in uncertain times>people stop buying shit because mass unemployment>companies get less income from consumer spending>the spiral turns>inflation due to government bailouts given to the companiesThe only ones benefiting are people with a lot of liquid assets to both whether the storm and buy assets at fire sale prices.>>750894185>things get cheaperDude, come on. You know that's not how this shit works, companies will fight tooth and nail to keep prices high. You only get a reduction through competition, which gets reduced by economic crisis.
>>750895884Found the other one too.
