CLASSIC SHAMAN DISCORD GOES INTO LOCKDOWNBlizzard just dropped the latest class tuning notes only a few days out from the WoW: Forever launch, but not everyone is happy.The Classic Shaman Discord has dramatically locked down the server, as they feel “completely ignored” by Blizzard, even going as far as to say that their “class fantasy is getting destroyed.”
>>750879269This community is entirely carried by Asmongold at this point
>>750879269Oh no, I play Shaman (Restoration)Am I in danger?
What did they do to shamans?
>>750879269troons really need to be segregated from the rest of the population
>our beloved classDo these retards no realized that Blizz change class balance every other week AND that half the shit that was removed will most likely be available via SoD-style skill unlocks? Watch Lava Burst be unlocked by level 20 with a quest.
>>750879402They turned riptide into a worse renew with a 12 sec CD and moved Improved ghost wolf to row 4
>>750879409they buffed enhance in the latest patch notes. absolute horror
>>750879269All the Shaman changes were buffs other than Ghost Wolf change, which is fine since i play TaurenPeople will constantly complain about any given topic, Blizzard needs to have some backbone and stop listening to feedback from shitass streamers
fuckin drama queens
>>750879536the trannies are mad cos lavaburst was removed?
>discordoh no...?
>>750879536Enhancement chads dunking on caster nerds.
>>750879589I feel like the ghost wolf change is pissing off pvpchads the most.
>>750879269>Shamans suck>Tears upSigh, just like I remember. #nostalgiamaxxxing
>>750879269Oh no not the discord trannies!
>>750879269>removed lava burst>nerfed riptide into oblivion>ghost wolf talent now row 4 exclusive to enhancerThe changes suck and we have to wait, at least, 4-8 weeks for them to maybe realize they fucked up and change things backShamans are pissed for a reason, especially considering other classes like mage/hunter/rogue are eating good this patchHave fun finding healers I guess, cause they fucked every heal spec real good in forever
>>750879536well that settles it for me, rolling druid
>>750880458if you're playing resto, that also got fucked over too, regrowth is a 3 sec CD now
>>750879269>Blizzard ignores community feedbackThey routinely ignore what their beta and QA testers say so it's not really surprising. The days where an entire spec gets designed trough the effort of the best players working with the designers together is long gone and even then I only know about the Council of the Black Harvest.
what class should i play on forever.
>>750879269Maybe XIV fags should have been this childish in response to our jobs getting ruined.
>>750879269Oh no, [generic pedocord server I've never heard of, don't use and will never use] is "on lockdown." Whatever shall I do now? Oh right ... same as before. Whatever I want, while ignoring these dumb whiny faggots as always.
>>750879269I read this as shadman and was deeply interested for a second
>>750879269Enhancement looked really fun? What happened? I was considering rollling an Enhancement Shaman desu.
>>750879269>tranny colored nameWell i am playing TES again, Fuck WoW and Blizzard for killing CoA
>>750880959>They routinely ignore what their beta and QA testers say so it's not really surprising.every single beta there was the same bugs or fucked up mechanics at launch after weeks of feedback.so yeah nothing new here it really is just like old times.
>>750879536>Mental Dex got buffedHoly fucking shit, they were already critting so hard at lvl 30 that they were rivaling lvl 60 swing damage and they buffed them even more? They are literally gonna be able to oneshot mobs before they get access to windfury and they are most likely going to be top melee dps unless they heavily shit on hybrid gearing on leather and mail
>>750879269>We will teach them not to ignore us by… shutting up! Forcibly even, for the ones in this server who don’t give a fuck!Whatever fags
>we want to use chain lightning!>no not like that!
>>750879269>meanwhile activision did an ok patch for AoE2 recentlyConfused.
Melee shammy was always the better and more fun spec, its pathetic to lock down the entire community over this instead of letting people talk, some power hungry fucks that think they speak for us all, watch Blizzard bow to this trash
>>750879409removed windfury basically
Name literally one time Blizzard has ever listened to feedback that WASN'T after spending months of ignoring that feedback and doing dumb shit.
>comes out tomorrow and shaman isn’t finished history repeats itself, reminder shaman didn’t have a working aoe rotation until around late cata
>>750879409aggrend has a hateboner against ele shamans
>>750882013its the elementalist shamans getting angry that they've been reduced to a stationary Lighting Bolt Turret while also having Fire nova and Chain lighting on a cooldown unless talented into a shitty three minute cooldown spell that removes it, And the talent that replaced Lava Burst is a boring 5% crit talent that feels skippable as fuck.Bad changes especially for PVP you might as well ignore rooting totem and go reverb and get those shocks off a second faster.
>>750883351>Wowfags are crying about a class getting to be a turretFeels weird because in XIV the turret class got its immobility taken away recently so we've been crying about that
>>750883351they can go play mop right now if they want chain lightning spam and lava burst
>>750883649You're a fucking idiot you could Chain Lightning spam in the OG version of classic without the shitty spell firenova existing, they fucked up simple as.
>>750882286>heavily shit on hybrid gearing on leather and mailWon't matter in the long run. If progression is actually horizontal there will be enough sources of similar power that'll be optimized for whatever spec after a while just because of the sheer volume of what would be relevant.
>>750883731looooool cd was removed from chain lightning in cata/dragon soul, dumb phony
>>750879269>WE ARE ACKING OURSELVES TO SEND A MESSAGE>I REPEA-ACK Why are they like this? Do they think anyone actually cares about them?
>>750879269>we dont agree with you!>and you know what we're gunna do about it?>we're gunna force people out of our space by acting like babiesm so that their alternative is your space!
>>750879536How did lava burst work in forever? Was it spamming lightning bolt and then lava burst procs to be instant cast like I remember?
>elemental is once again a one button speckino
>2.5s cast time chain lighting>imp ghost wolf no longer accessible to ele or restoyeah I would crash out also
>>750879492holy BASED
>>750882501QRD?
>>750879492they made it so 1h + shield with flametongue does more DPS the a 2h with Windfury
>>750884215>follow toggle on deerActually works, kinda like it. No one likes scouting for deer.>still didn't patch the onager dying and doing 1 damage bugI take it back.
>>750883731Chain Lightning had a cooldown in classic idiot.
I'm rolling Shaman to play Ench, and I will be having a fun time in NoThisIsntClassicWoWNotMadeForYou, thanks Blizz!
clueless shamans demanding retail gameplay tho i don’t blame them since ele was a joke for all of vanilla through wrath
>>750879583Now you're really getting the classic experienceShamans would loudly protest any change to their class on the forums back in the day, 'dot-shock' lmao
>that riptide nerf>that ghost wolf level nerf>that lava burst removalI knew they hated shamans, I don't know why I'm surprised
Ghost wolf removal is deserved
anons im sad >want to play wowforever >stay at home dad so tons of time to play>no friends so no idea what realm to pick >realm stability and health seems utterly dependent on what influencers are doing I don't like this. I don't "follow" what's going on with these people and I feel left out because of it.
>>750879536Lava Burst was one of the reasons I was going into this jaded. Nice. Hopefully they keep removing WotLK from classic.
>>750880423priest is goated tho?
>>750882072>tesHAHAHAHAAHHA, the most troonified MMO to ever existenjoy your fucking terrible weaving combat
>>750882501activision has nothing to do with age of empires 2retard
>>750884584>enchare you one of those mouth breathers who think its called enchaning shaman?
>>750885746>realms>in wow foreverhave you looked into the game at all?clearly not
>>750886371>playing ESOnigga im playing morrowind
>>750879269I mean they might as well rename "Elemental" to "Lightning" at this point since there's nothing "elemental" about it anymore. Just "lightningbolt chainlightning 1-2 1-2 lol"
>>750879536> Moved Improved Ghost wolf from 2nd row to 4th rowWhy? It is only good for leveling. At least most of the time.
>>750879269>taking anything on a goddamn discord this seriouslyThis and streamerfaggots are why everything is shit these days
>>750887514>ele sham lfg Sunken Temple pls pls help me
>>750879269As a druid i will ask: first time?
>>750879269If neither the players nor the developers can communicate that there aren't 3 specs then whatever else they say doesn't matter.
are they doing "fake buffs" like in retail? Where they say "oh yeah you do 15% more damage with this on!" but in reality it just makes your player equal with everyone else, and your class does not really exist without that buff button? If that makes sense? I don't like that.
>>750879269What a shame i thought it was a shadman discord, alas i dont give a flying fuck about some mmotrannypg containment group
>>750879269They're upset they don't get to click the red fire spell sometimes that does the same DPS as the blue lightning spell?
>>750888701Is it even worth using flame shock now? I don't know ele.
>>750888491Unfortunately.Do you remember when blizzard devs were tweaking on cocaine and ranting about how Overwatch and Esports is going to be the next NFL? So a lot of those guys got justifiably fired, yes, but their legacy still lives on. Enjoy your 'ultimate' attacks
>for the first time in 20 years elemental isn't the top most coddled shaman spec>instant meltdownLol, and might I add, lmao
oh well nigga what am I gonna do not play shaman?
>>750879536i dont play wow but all im seeing is extra after effects when you do a skill which would have taken blizzard more time to make and then balance, this is what the sperging is about? thats odd
>>750879269Always chimp out if you want something.
>playing tbc anniversary>shaman lightning vomit is ridiculous dpswhat is their problem exactly?
Everything I see about Forever is that this is being tailored to the tastes of a Paladin main dev
>>750882286They buffed mob hp as well. Retard.
oomkin is also a wrath turret because you don’t have enough mana to cast starfire
>>750879536Why the ghost wolf change?
>>750887548Because uuuh, otherwise shamans could use ghost wolf to pick up the flag in WSG?? And that would be OP????
>>750889798>Paladin main devDoes this really matter though? The main dev of WoW has never been a mage main iirc but it's consistently been one of the top classes in PvE and PvP for nearly the entire history of the game.
>>750889798Must be a faggoty retail paladin enjoyer, cause the change to the seal twisting talent is basically holy power and it's gayest vanta black gorilla shit they could have done.Fuck Cataclysm and everything about Cata paladin.
>>750889856Because it was an easy no-brainer pick for everyone and thats not allowed for shamans
>>750890036palagods are getting our reparations for being purposely ruined by tigole in vanilla
Shaman peaked as a class in 5.3. Moving while casting lightning bolt and lava burst procs that actually dealt damage made the class feel great. Think Holintard and Cefagstalon took over, and decided ele should play like an immobile turret that does no damage outside of ascendance.
>>750879409remove lava burst but they buff echo lighting or w.e its called 30% chance to cast another
>>750890429If your idea of reparations is holy power, you must enjoy 31 flavors of cock in your ass.
>>750879269YES YES STOP PLAYING SHAMAN PLAY PALADIN
>>750890807I know this is gonna be a hot take but HP was only ever bad on Holy. It’s fine for Prot and kinda needed on Ret.
>>750889798>>750890943Why do I keep seeing this, Holy was pretty much ruined in this patch as well and Prot and Ret are still both bad jokes
>>750890994It's bad for everything, builder spenders are fucking faggotry.Kill yourself.
>>750879536Call me braindead but I don't know what that animate additional weapon swing attack means. What does it mean exactly?
>>750891235windfury is supposed to do a tornado + two attacks animation
>>750891235It just means when Windfury procs the character does a second attack animation.
>>750891235Look at this ancient montage and check the animation on windfury procshttps://youtu.be/ja1j7xWpB3w
>>750891428so it's just a visual thing then?
>>750891090Mashing whatever is off cooldown isnt better
>>750882575wow fuck blizzard, literally the best thing shamanm has.
>>750882575Lol wut. That's the most iconic thing Enh had
>>750879536the ghost wolf change does kinda suck ass for every spec and resto putting riptide on the tank and then chain healing off the tank over and over again sounds really fucking boring so i can kinda understand why they're a little miffed
>>750879536Didn't riptide have some big animation on the target? Now it's just renew? Lol.
>>750887548100% PVP changeIt stops the other trees from getting mobility.
Lol, just make a new server and make sure to not invite that guy
>>750879269>sha(d)ma(n) discord
>>750879269the game isnt even out, how do they even know what the gameplay is like? retards. yeah you can imagine it, but until you actually play it and have a feel for it you cant know for sure
>>750892380By using your brain. It's like knowing how you would feel if you didn't eat breakfast today.
Shamans crashing out? Woah, it really is just like vanilla!
>>750879269stop crying and hold still while i sniper shot you for 3k from 50y
>Shamans doing all this whinging, yet will still sit in the 2 hour long launch queue to fight with hundreds of other players for tags on quest mobs
what clas should i play?
forever "we promise to make every spec fun and not memes" balancing :
>closing our gay discord will surely show the multibillion dollar companyWhy are they like this?
>>750893051the one you like
Prot Paladin seems to be in a very nice place.>4% Mana every 3s from Shield Specialization and Redoubt>Another 4% Mana every 6s due to Shieldsworn/Shield Specialization synergy>Both above means you can pretty much cast Consecrate on CD>2 taunts (Swift Judgement 1min CD and regular Judgement 8s CD)>Solid ST Threat from Auto, Seal of Fury, Holy Strike + Holy Shield proc every 6s and 2 Judgement spells if you need burst threat on a given target>Good defensive CD that works for both Physical and Magical damage (Templar's Bulwark)Sounds almost too good to be true. Am I missing something here?
Isn't this normal behavior for shamans anyway? I never played vanilla, but from Wrath to Midnight I feel like they've always complained or cried about their class in various forms. They get to sit there zapping motherfuckers and doing crazy burst damage on demand and they're ALWAYS crying about their class.
when are people going to learn that having your class discussion and theorycrafting all at the whims of powermad troons on a dogshit platform search engines can't even crawl is a bad idea?
>>750893175>Am I missing something here?No. Head developer is a Paladin.
>>750893181it was like that in vanilla and TBC as well. they even caused one of the blizzard devs to crash outi've never met a single shaman main that wasn't wrong in the head in some way. what is it about that cuck class that always attracts the worst of humanity?
>>750893223At long last, Tigole and Furor's curse have finally been lifted. After all these years.
>>750893089what do you like?
>>750879269https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja1j7xWpB3wfaggots saw this and think thats how it has always worked. you WILL press the chain heal
discord is legally Reddit
>>750893181I'd say they class playerbase never fully recovered from the Bus Shock incident.
>>750893181Shamans were pretty awful in vanilla. They had a few very useful utilities and could occasionally luck into one shotting someone. The lead devs despised hybrid classes.Itemization in vanilla was all over the fucking place.
>>750879269As someone who played shaman for a long time their demands are retarded. They're basically asking for>15 SECOND COOLDOWN INSTANT CAST AOE ROOT TOTEM THEY CAN CAST AT RANGE AND CAN REROOT>MORE SPELL SCHOOLS SO THEY CAN ALWAYS CAST IN PVP AFTER BEING INTERRUPTED>ABILITY TO SPAWN TOTEMS ANYWHERE WITHIN 40 YARDS>RIPTIDE AS AN INSTANT CAST BETTER VERSION OF DRUID'S REGROWN>TRIPLE EARTHBITER WEAPON THREAT BECAUSE THE OTHER TANKS ALL GOT THREAT BUFFS(according to beta testers shaman already had by far the most threat of all tanks)All overpowered stuff that is out of line with the spirit of the 'classic' WoW class design philosophy. Blizzard listening to these subhuman retards is the reason why I have no hope for Forever more so than smurf elves.
>>750879536Is thunderstorm in forever? I loved yeeting the people off in Arathi basin.
>>750894005no
>>750894005It's vanilla. Nobody has any knockbacks.You only way to knock people around is mind controlling them off cliffs as a priest but Mind Control has always been finnicky as fuck in PvP.
>>750879326and asmongold is entirely carried by his guild
>>750893647tldr: people leveled slow as shit in vanilla, like 6 months to 60, forcing bliz to knee jerk balance before most people were even 60 so they would stop bitching. certain classes like shaman and paladin are godly 30-40 but level off after that, so they get nerfed a shitload early in vanilla for no good reason, leaving them garbage at 60
>>750894027Damn, shame.
>>750893647If the damage from windfury weapon (totem) appeared on the shaman as their damage in damage meters you people would say they were the best class in vanilla
>>750894224yeah but it takes two to tango, if it wasn't for warriors scaling so well it would be useless dogshit so what's your point? besides in forever totems are raid wide so you only need 1 shaman max
>>750894328Only 1 shaman? Shaman #2 giving grace of air to 40 players is useless? This is why blizz should never listen to players, most of us are completely lobotomized
All I want to know is if they raped Mage or not
So you do what now as ele shaman? Bolt and flameshock? Just?
>>750894798SAME AS IT EVER WAS
>>750894798yeahit's just like vanilla
>>750879269>they feel “completely ignored” by BlizzardWow, now that they have no way of communicating, how will Blizzard possibly ignore them now?
>>750894798yes that is all you doyou do not interruptyou do not do totemsyou do not kite or slow thingsyou do not manage manayou are so smart
>>750893742These things are quite strong, but are they as strong as the wow classic classic>warrior with mediocre gear successfully right clicks the boss
>>750879269Im a dumbass I thought this said CLASSIC SHADMAN
>>750894489You can now two shot mfers with fb/coc crit but everyone else is gonna one shot as well so enjoy
what addons should i get for forever? i know things like a damage meter are already stock. i usually use gathermate to mark node spawns. anything else?
Imagine actually advocating for worse or more boring gameplay
>>750894881Yeah, but mage has flame, frost and arcane.
>>750883997no it was basically just a red lightning bolt that had a CD that hits harder if fire shock is on the target
>>750895143Imagine actually believing casting a red lighting bolt every 6 seconds makes for better and more exciting gameplay
>>750879269I posted in the last thread I would be a>Human>Male>Warrior>Tank>PvPand I've changed my mind, I'm going to be a>Human>Male>Paladin>Tank>PvP
>>750895215retardit's also a fire spell which helps a lot against nature immune enemies or when you get interrupted in pvp
>elemental>just uses one element
>>750895235Ok mate keep us updated
>>750879536This is a buff, why are they crying?!
>>750895298>NOOO THAT SPELL DOESN'T COUNT
>>750894489>need to normalize rage because exponential scaling is bad>put in (gimped) version of hot streak anywayMage is going to be fine. It always is.
>>750895398There will be no further updates.
>>750895215>had a CD that hits harder if fire shock is on the targetSo it was something that forced you to maintain flame shock and a cooldown. God forbid you give classic lobotomites even the simplest fucking rotation.
>>750895407the totem movement spell change really does fuck over the ranged shamans but enhancement was straight buffed in this patch so I don’t care
>Lava burst removedGood riddance.
imagine playing warrior 'classic' if you cannot have a 400 regen every 3 seconds with diamond flask
>>750895235>could have been anything>decided to be the peakPostan in a chad thread
>>750879269>get sweeping buffs>"why does blizzard hate us so much!?"Some people really are only happy in their anger.
>>750895529Rotations do not make games more fun.
>>750879269I intended to play Shaman in Forever, whats the problem?
>>750895865its not as broken as it was in SoD and >>750893358
>>750895529Yeah, instead of fire shock> lava burst > Lightning bolt you'll now instead do FS>chain lightning> LB LB LB what a massive change.
>>750895736Moving improved ghost wolf down from 2nd row to 4th is a massive nerf even if it doesn't make a difference on your autistic dps spreadsheet
>>750879269I didnt play the beta, I was interested in Survival apparently being reworked to be the melee focused tree? How is it.
>>750893051Hunter
>>750882501forgotten empires handles patches
>>750895927>chain lightning part of ST rotationDoes chain lightning ignore CC'd targets by chance? Because this sounds retarded.
Totems are an absolute shit, archaic design and need to bde removed entirely.
do shamans still have to have 4 bricked inventory slots for their totems?
>>750879269To be fair, Elemental Shaman has been bad most of the time in WoW, no matter which expansion. Was there ever a point when the spec was really good?
>>750895961It's only a "nerf" for non Enhancement shamans, and why should the other specs have easy access to it?
>>750896201To put this in perspective, Blade Flurry increases attack speed. It is an ability rogues should use in single target. Why is utilizing good positioning to use these spells in single target while avoiding breaking CC not considered skill expression, while pressing red lightning bolt on cooldown is?
>>750896256Boo fucking hoo. Warlocks and Hunters have to dedicate an entire bag slot
>>750896419Because ghost wolf is a fairly generic spell with no particular link to enhancement's identity? It is also a nerf to lower level enhancement shaman.
>new wow expansion>aw damn its shit>new wow expansion>aw damn its shit>all new wow classic>aw damn its shit>all new super wow classic the definitive version>aw damn its shitWhen will you idiots fucking learn? Im seriously asking. Everyone could see it from a mile away and warned but here are again. Its almost you are some sort of masochist loves getting tormented.
>>750896359Basically any time it had exclusive access to Bloodlust, and also Chain Lightning + Earthquake spam did tons of damage at many stages during nu-retail M+
>>750896521just answer the fucking question. i didn't ask anything about the clunky pet classes retard
>>750896239They are effectively this games "turret" class, so no.
>>750896420Nigga, we're talking about classic, skill expression is a laughable concept. There's gonna be 5 ret paladins I can invite at any given moment instead of the guy who has a 99% chance to just mash CL anyway because they're retarded or padding a completely inconsequential damage meter.
>>750896557Yes, but wasn’t Resto Shaman always the preferred spec? But yeah its true I remember melee classes fighting over who got a Shaman in their group
>>750896542You don't even play this game, you never have, you don't even have friends to play any of the versions of itl.
>mandated ~3 button gameplay >same old retail tier treadmill just lower numbers >one recoloured elf>slow vanilla gameplay just removed any nuance like mana and threat management just sounds a bit boring TO BE HONEST
>>750896990Those 5 retardins would break CC all the same by padding with their little piss puddle on the floor.
Even though they did this, they will STILL never get as much shade as Paladins got when their discord shut down in protest.
>still seethingDon't care, will play and enjoy Forever. Already have my Skyelf name reserved.
>>750897310yeah because paladins have been blizzard's golden child since, what, wrath? meanwhile shamans get shit on every fucking xpac
>>750897358lemme fix that image for you
>>750897384Some of the best spells in the history of WoW>Windfury Totem>Bloodlust>Spirit Link Totem>Grounding Totem>Wind Shear>Counterstrike TotemBlizzard dont hate us take your meds retard
>tauren changed to worst race except for tankingBrutal.
>>750879536>31 talent points for that riptidebrootal
>>750879269Who are bigger babies: paladins or shamans? At least paladins get to be giga OP for a patch every couple xpacs, it feels like the most shaman get is not being utter shit for a patch before being nerfed, but both classes are also the biggest crybabies
>tfw intend to be dorf shaman for rare class on alliance>all this bullshitGetting ringed out to dry...
>>750893175in a month when they "get the data" it'll be gutted again
>>750894881what do you do if a boss resists nature
>>750898093If you don't want to play an RPG go play Midnight.
>>750893175if they do any less threat than a warrior they will be useless
>>750898093you switch to enhancement. thats like saying "what do frost mages do in naxx?"
>>750897863>only need one shaman>get all the lootyou kidding? this is great
>>750898169no, but genuinelyIf I'm an ele shaman, and there's a boss that resists nature damage, what do I do
>>750898251go play cata where damage resistances don’t exist
>>750898251Cast frost shock, flame shock, searing totem, fire nova, use melee attacks, cast heals, use items
blizzard calling their reboot "forever" really feels like flaunting how hard they can whip their playerbase without repurcussions
>>>/vg/>>>/vg/>>>/vg/
>>750879536The ghost wolf change is really annoying. No reason to move it that far down enhance. Its so useful for questing and leveling that its still going to be worth going that far into enhance to get it. All they're doing is forcing ele and resto to delay even more to get talents in the tree they want.
>>750898251you now understand how locks feel in pvp and naxx
>>750889936I thought Foro/Afrasiabi was a mage main
>>750896760they were in vanilla but the changes they made make them like every other caster.
>>750890506Most fun I had as ele sham was Firelands set.Not only was it the best looking heroic set but having perma fire elemental uptime was broken.This looked really great with that hood of hungering darkness and the warforged nightmare horsey.
who cares about shitmans? they're buffing player damage across the board. we're literally diving headfirst into retail 2.0. i already got my refund.
>>750882575what!
>first char in vanilla 2004 guild to reach 60>get told I'm healing since I'm shaman>delete and reroll warlock immediatelytimes didn't change so good
Paladin, Warrior, Rogue.Which one is most fun?
>>750899058that's what they did in vanilla broyou weren't expecting to be those one in a million enh shamans who got fed a ragnaros did you? LMAO
>>750879269>paid bundle leak was confirmedoh no no noahahahahah
>>750879326>>750894114>Let's go boys>Everybody head to X>*swivel camera* oh shit>everyone running in place and teleporting>lag out server>disconnected>Wow we did it, amazing
>>750899306If furfag races are added i'll drop it that very second.
>>750895736pls be a boy
>>750898536uh oh xivtranny melty!!!
>>750899470uh oh the buckbroken wowtroons is projecting about his boogeyman again!
>>750898251use your healing spells for that encounter? you can dual spec anyway probably so you could even go enhance.
i thought forever came out todaywhat am i gonna do all day now :(
>>750898587no, he was a shaman and then a paladin iirc. at least in tbc.
what party comp best lets you do WOTLK Heroic faceroll every mouthbreather is going to try doing anyway?
>>750898251suck balls like usual
>>750899723enjoy one more day of not playing slop
>>750899971but i'm already on private servers
>>750900000
I'm going go to play Frost.Press Ice Barrier, spam frost bolt, press Ice Lance when available.
>>750900230dont forget imp coc shatter for extra salt
>play tbc anniversary on forever launch day>finally I can herb mana thistle>breaks glasses>no... there was time now!
>>750886502>he don't know about enchancement shamen
>>750889936>what is Ghostcrawler
>>750883351basedelementals are zappyboys, there's too much fire already
>>750879269Are WoWfags the most battered wife to ever have battered wife syndrome? I seriously haven't seen a group get beat so often and yet come crawling back thinking this time will be different.
>>750901581i don't think it'll be different but still considered playing because it's one of the few games my old vidya gang will still come together to play
>>750901718If you are just doing it to have fun with friends and have no expectations of this being the "retvrn to form" then that's fine. But I've seen it far too many times how people will complain Blizzard did this and that like they haven't already done this and that for YEARS.
>>750901581Battered wife? these people are FUCKING RETARDS. They cannot even fucking communicate properly. >Back in X year, the world actually FELT alive. Every mountain mattered. Every road had a PURPOSE. Every journey was an ADVENTURE.
>>750879326
>>750902352disgusting
>>750879536>literally all buffs>Shaman still crying and pissing and shitting their pantiesYou guys really are the biggest babies in the WoW community.
>>750905694but ghost wolf isn’t instant *cries*
>>750879269What is it about discord that everyone that uses it are even more insane narcissistic faggots than reddit and tumblr? Why does this happen?
>>750880423>eating goodI don't give a shit about the opinions of zoomers. The changes are fine and you are an over emotional retard
>>750905694>Forced to take Reverb. Lost mobility. still has mana issues.I hope the devs take away your pvp options tard.
>>750882512>lock down the entire communityIt's just some little discord server lmao. Who the fuck would ever even read or post there besides the most insufferable assholes? Just look at the retard in charge of it. I'd put money on the majority of poster itt never even hearing about it before this thread
>>750901581Yes. They are still chasing a high from a genre that was made completely obsolete like 2 decades ago
>only assassination rogues get relentless>they give all rogues a new spell, shank to make up for it>combat sims fucking awful now>completely ruined subs chance at pve.>new sub finisher is a fucking curse, can't wait for a druid or mage to decurse it.>shadow priest swd does 30% max health when it doesn't kill a target.lmao
>>750883941That's exactly why. Narcissism, a ridiculously over blown ego, a hilarious delusion of authority. Describes every discord or reddit mod. It's why they want and try to be moderators in the first place. Like politicians but too ugly/stupid to be politicians
>>750884050>one button>no chain lightning>no totems>no shocks>no heals>no debuffing>no tremor>no groundingMan you must fucking suck to be in a group with
>>750879269A pale copy of dot shock
>>750879269guys... hear me out..
>>750906620It's a platform made for you to talk to like 8 of your friends max. Only autistic retards can thrive in environments of thousands of strangers talking over each other
>>750884829Anyone remember an old WoW forum shaman meme about a lightning helicopter?
>>750879269why can't wow players just let go holy shit
>>750907925Why can't you let go of wow players?
>>750879269How do these people get so far up their own ass that they think anyone cares if their little tranny circlejerk gets turned off?
>>750879269these faggots acting like Enhance has problems just so they can complain more>oh noes we will use flametongue weapon for once! (stacking it with WF totem in raids)>muh intellect gear !god forbid flametongue imbue isn't a completely dead skill and gets a singular use while still keeping windfury on anyway.and int gear is whatever as long as they don't forget to implement some, professions will have it at minimum but eh.
>>750907741Autistic retards get sensory over load and need to have their own little private group chats that they can pretend is their server
>>750909279>crying about having a dot when mages would kill for one
game boycotts will do anything except stop playing the actual game.
>>750909279>NOOO MY CASTER DOESN'T PLAY EXACTLY LIKE OTHER CASTERS AND DOESN'T HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME TOOLSshitman mains need to fuck back off to retoilet
>>750909279Are WoW players autistic?
I like dual wield for enh better than 2h. They should've let us do either
I read that as Shadman at first and got excited
>>750879269>Classic ShadmanThe fuck does that have to do with video games?
why the fuck does enh use caster gear on forever??? the only time caster gear was viable on retail was a short moment during Ulduar because of a scaling fuckup and it got quickly stamped out. shockingly quickly for blizzard standards.
>>750879536>ghostform moved from 2nd to 4th rowholy tranny development department but then again I am suprised that retards are behind this? not at all they don't even play the game themselves
hey fucked up the entire game with that patch lmao like global damage buff and turned elites into spongessimply retardedit supposed to be vanilla not a modified version of it
>>750909762Int to ap/sp talent
>>750879269I have no idea why anyone would want to play with the kind of people who play WoW now.What a bunch of absolute faggots.
>>750910095yeah i know, but who the fuck decided that? that retard has clearly never even looked at enhancement
>>750879269This is why i play ffxiv
>>750909841Holy shit you cant outrun a mount for 5 seconds till 5 levels later. SHAZBOT!
this entire wow forever shill campaign is an embarrassment beyond salvageable fucking cringe
>>750910135Enhance needed a conversion talent to actually scale. Been like that since tbc.
>>750910303yes dumbass i know, but enh has always used agi gear (and str in vanilla/tbc)are you being obtuse on purpose?
>>750909762>shockingly quicklynah not really manblizzard has always favored and played horde and not alliance. any problem the horde has, it gets patched lickity-split, whereas the alliance had to wait through MULTIPLE EXPANSIONS to make a class even function correctly (paladin)
>>750910183>being this retarded and doesn't get itbe brown somewhere else niggeryour tiny brain doesn't get the idea of having a spec like deep resto with imp ghostform
>>750910412holy illiteracythat was during ulduar, alliance had shamans at that point too. even if you want to argue horde had more shamans, it was a nerf so it contradicts your favoritism narrative.
tranny devsdon't care didn't ask go fuck yourself imagine giving nu-shitzzard money in Q4 2026 absolutely triple neck yourself off a bridge
>>750879269who cares its all fucked up now
>>750899306>the leak is just "blizzard will re-use retail assetsNo shit
ahahahhahahaha dumb niggers moved a talent two fucking rows into the cellarwhat's next? mixing up rows and specs? stupid fucking inbred niggers
>>750899398wait, tauren aren't in forever?
>>750899306>Requires level 21YOU MEAN THE LEVEL RANGE FOR DUSKWOOD AND SHADOWFANG KEEP?????? WHERE WORGEN MOBS EXIST????YOU RETARDED GORILLA MONKEY YOU ARE THE BLACKEST GORILLA MONKEY IN EXISTENCE
>>750879269fucking... retarded.... schizoslmfao... shamans are the low tier spergs of this retarded game
>>750909462Not everyone is a conservative justice warrior out to punish companies or whatever
>>750879269Im out iof the loop, but isn't that like the opposite of what they should do if they actually care since it means removing a place for dissent to gather and organize some way that ACTUALLY might have impact and lets Blizzard continue unmolested? This seems to me like it is some "Turn the lights off for 1 hour and SAVE THE WORLD"-tier performative shit.Just cause Nuking and basically taking itself itself hostage worked for Belka doesn't mean it is a sound strategy.
>>750911426>gather and organizelmaothis isn't a riot against the government bro your choices are either unsub or keep playing like the good little cattle you areand blizzard knows which option you'll pick
>>750879536Literally all these changes are good. Shaman should look like this>Elemental: Lightning >Restoration: Water >Enhancement: Earth (and now a tank spec) >Flame: Fire (support spec)
>>750909762idk but I think it's neat, Ulduar spellhance was a lot of fun. it's unique and cool flavour for a melee spec to use SP gear. I think if they knew they were going this route they should have given enhance DW though. FT wep, MSW weaving, spellhance, it's all built around being able to dual wield. they didn't add DW to appeal to the 2H enhance memes but then also went spellhance so the spec is being pulled in two directions, and now more than likely you're going to end up using a SP 1H+OH which is by far the lamest of the three options.
>>750911616you're probably going to want to use flametongue even on a 2h and use a windfury totem so you have both effects. windfury isn't a temporary weapon enchant in forever
>>750909279So wait you can FT your weapon and WF totem and not overwrite your shit?
>>750911736see the post above yours
>friends decided to go alliance in forever for a change of pace (cringe)>only race i don't mind is dwarf>both rogue and shaman still in the gutter>dwarves do not have access to warlocki hate this
>>750879269who elected this retard king of the shamantards?
>>750911878>Shaman just got bufffed>Again>Was already strong >"Must be bad"
They've added chaos bolt
>>750896419the placement is bad for enhnancement shamans too; they already wanted to take 6 talent points on that row and now they need 8. plus it means you're locked out of instant ghost wolf for a long, long time.
>>750911972you're retarded if you think getting interrupted = getting silenced because you have no other spells means the class is strong. god forbid they implement a raid or dungeon with nature immune mobs, ele will be doing less dps than a hunter's pet.be silent if you don't know what you're talking about.
>>750879269Isn't this just like, destroying the gathering ground so your movement cannot gain more momentum?I don't see why blizzard would care that a server shuts gown since the voices are all just scattered around and nothing is organized anymore
mmo players try not to be unhinged insufferable crybabies mission impossible
>>750912071it's better than a replacement filler but good lord they really are just going to start porting over the entire wotlk talent trees huh?
>>750891074because pally enjoyers are retards who don't know their own classbut they know the holy light and looking swag
For me, I'm gonna play a Troll Rogue
>>750912071they also added tauren mage and nelf shaman
>>750912110>le class is bad because i am scared of things that dont happen!Nawww whittle baby doesnt understand how wow works and thinks people will take him seriously lmao
>>750911736Yes, and the other way around as well, with WF on weapon and FT totem
>game is releasing in 24 hours>devs still making radical changes
>>750911707I haven't looked at the classes in depth, mostly going in blind, but isn't the problem with 2H right now more so that it's not conductive to MSW weaving? in which case you'd want to go 1H+OH to weave crazy lightning bolts. I might be wrong but that's the impression I got from the limited discussion I read. which would be really lame, I am fine with either 2H or DW enhance, but 1H+OH would kind of suck for the class fantasy. I am still likely gonna end up playing enhance regardless because it's my autism spec.
>>750912312show me a fire mage clearing molten core or be quiet.
>>750912395>Waaaaah I dont know how wow works validate me!!!!!No.
>>750912071no where does it say they did, wtf are you talking about?
>>750912483I accept your concession. Shoo shoo little shill.
>>750912507>Has no argument>Bitches are cries over mechanics he doesn't even understand>Confirms he doesn't even play WoW (but posts in WoW threads daily because he has no life)PFTHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH
>>750912501they posted a video with a warlock casting chaos bolt, a tauren mage casting fb and a nelf shaman walking around and drinking potions
>>750912382We probably won't know until some autist does some testing because the tooltip is fucking worthless. Do 2Hs have higher proc chance to offset their slow speed? is it the same PPM for both? who the fuck knows
>>750912549>claims to understand anything of what's going on but provides zero evidenceI already accepted your concession. This shit is embarrassing. How many coffee beans are you being paid to damage control this trainwreck? You know you'll be out of a job soon right?
>>750912343vanilla has been out for over 22 yearswhat you are buying into is a modified version of WoW Faggotness
>>750912670Didn't read. Only people who play WoW can post here newfag.
Epoch had the perfect design of just taking TBC classes and modifying them a bit. Blizzard can't do anything right, fans don't know what they want. Just give me Epoch class design.
>>750912729>i-i can't hear you lalalalalEmbarrassing. This is the last (You) I'm giving you, you're clearing being paid by the post.
>>750912557lmfao they removed lava burst because its a "WOTLK solution" are they retarded
>>750912923I forgot to mention the video had a full hd retail warden of the grove mob
>>750879269is this what every discord tranny will do from now on, close down their servers until blizzard makes their class according to their wishes?
>>750913248it worked the first time with ret paladins so it's normalized now
>>750913538Ret pallies and druids, yes
>>750912773Thanks for conceding, not that you even had a single valid point retard.
>>750912071the dwarf shaman in the launch overview also casted lava burstit doesn't mean anything
>>750912071there's also a night elf shaman
>>750914670Makes sense, Alliance need another Shaman to add some variety and bring the Horde:Alliance Shaman ratio to 2:1 (which is the inverse of the Paladin ratio). Lore wise it makes as much sense as Tauren Druids, and Night Elves haven't received a new class yet.I dread what they will do for Tauren though.
>>750915086there's a tauren mage in that video toosee: >>750902352 on the left, he's casting frostbolt
>>750893306and yet people universally agree their tenure was the best incarnation of wow
>>750879326>asmongoldHis entire viewerbase is Eastern European.
>>750882617Ret Paladins did the same thing in retail and Blizzard pity buffed them
they already reopened the discord after a grand total of zero changes announced from blizzardshamans really are the cuck class.
>get a class tier token>i'm expected to help the people who didn't get the token (and are likely asshurt about it, they are wow players after all) to help me with the quest>their only reward is vaguely kumbaya vibesThis is going to be such a disaster.
>>750895251who gives a shit about that minigame lol
>>750917080yeah you're right nobody cares about WAR in WORLD OF WARCRAFTshut your mouth, spineless pvetranny, the men are talking.
oh no blizztrannies ruined my millenial retirement home!t. millenial who hates blizzcucks
>>750882575>Removed WindfuryBASED! Now maybe they can balance the class in its entirety instead of making it useless at everything but mandatory because of a broken super buff.
>>750916105i miss this nigga like you wouldn't believe
>>750917576Ret pally hands typed this
>>750917605I actually like Shaman and every attempt I've made to Paladin was boring as shit. Even if Shaman blows ass.
>>750917672Unless you played vanilla you've only known a warped version of shaman. You're like a wrathbab whose never played without dungeon finder, I would not expect you to understand.
>>750879269Lawl. What a powerful symbol that will certainly make difference.
>>750917796they already buckled and it wasn't even 24 hours
>>750910169That game's completely retarded. Every boss boils down to "do you stand inside the colorful circles on the ground when they appear of do you have to avoid them?"Say about retail what you want, but the boss design is still great.
>>750893358I love how the video mostly shows him oneshotting keyboard-turning, s-backwalking people with green-blue equipment who take seconds to klick on him to target and then even longer to click their abilities.
>>750917946it's almost like shamans suck and footage was cherrypicked
>>750879536rofl they have no idea what they're doing Where are all the playstyles from Sod? Why have they made shaman worse than its Vanilla version?
>>750915086>Makes sense, Alliance need another Shaman to add some varietyWhat the fuck are you talking about, Alliance shouldn't have Shaman at all, let alone Night Elf Shaman.
>>750882501>man in da computah do a patch for one game>dis mean he do a patch for da otha game ah playhow dented is your skull? please send me the measurements posthaste
>>750918115i don't think anyone on the forever dev team has ever played shamanwhich makes sense because they all seem to be blood elf mexican goblinas and TBCbaby paladin mains
>>750912923Nah game just does not need a 3rd fire caster spec, tourist.
>>750918115>Where are all the playstyles from Sod?Hopefully in the garbage bin where they belong.
>>750899306Where's the human bulging package trinket that stuns female goblins for 30 seconds
>>750879269Classic shaman move. Remember it was a shaman whining that finally caused based Tseric to snap.
>>750918458>who wants varietyHello shill
i was going to make a dwarf shaman. am i cooked? i wanted my main to be a dwarf...
>>750918820shaman looks good
>>750917770I've literally never played Retail WoW anymore then about 5 hours when I first gave it a shot. I've only played Classic and one or two Private servers of Classic WoW. Windfury is fucking faggy and Alliance being forced into having Windfury sissies is a net negative.
>playing a Blizzard game>paying for it >2026
>>750885746>stay at home dad so tons of time to playHOW? I'm also full time fathering and I don't have even one second to myself in a day. Mind you my guy is only two, but the only time I get to myself is when he naps, and that's usually a shotgun chore cleanup.
>>750919796what should i be playing instead?
>>750921209have you tried fucking back off to reddit? no one cares about your dadgamer blog
>>750879269if community decisions of this magnitude are made solely by those in charge and not by community vote then is it really the most accurate representation of the community?
>>750921316u mad lol
>>750879269Primitive oonga-boonga troons get the fucking rope.
OH SHA MAN. I thought this thread was about something else.
>>750899306>>750911330Gilneas is already confirmed to be a zone so no shit
>>750921234Adrullan online adventures (alpha is open this week) or everquest project quarm
what about druid? are we fucked too?
>>750910385because the class dev forshaman wants Enh to be a battle mageso they gave them a talent that makes INT give 1.5 AP per 1 point of INT, and another talent that makes INT give 1 sp per 3 points of int, and also int giving spell critStr only gives 2 apand Agi only gives melee critbut Ele has a talent that give 9% melee crit when you crit with a spellFlametongue weapon scales with SP better then Windfurry scales with AP
>gonna get made fun of randomly all because of some discord troonoutIt's not fair bros.
>>750917946most pvp videos are high warlords with pocket healers bullying shitters
I have kept myself completely information free about WoW forever and will choose my class blind tomorrow.Who else, GOING FRESH?
>>750922774Orc Shaman because it's what I played in 2005. No quest icons, no zone/continent hopping. Exploration, professions, exploration and completionism.
>>750922774Torn between Undead Warlock/Rogue, Orc Shaman or Tauren Druid. Would've liked to play Troll Druid with the colourful cat form models but they decided blue elves were a better fit for whatever reason
>>750882575>Windfury Weapon: Its extra attack now shows an extra weapon swing.>Windfury Totem: Its extra attack now shows an extra weapon swing.But this is the only change to WF. Why are you lying?
shaman mains have always been the biggest whinersbus shock 2.0
>>750897730Hey man, it's 1 talent point for a big boost to Chain Heal. It's still pretty damn fantastic.
>>750898538Well... Exactly. Instead of nerfing the talent (hurting enhancement) they just make it harder to dip into so it's more of a tradeoff for the other two specs.
>>750879536>31 points for a riptide that does no initial healingkek
>>750879269I have a genuine questionwhat the fuck are they trying to do? Blizzard won't care about discordthey care about discord if it's astreamer's discord since streamer = money
>>750923818A few years ago the ret paladins closed their discord because they wanted buffs and people think it worked because ret had really, really bad st damage so they got a buff unrelated to the event
>>750916949Can someone...decipher what the fuck this anon said?
>>750923418I think he means that with the new INT scaling for enhancement shamans, it's better to use a one hand+shield with flametongue weapon.
I heard healing stat gives spell damage now.so can I just stack healing on my [shadow] priest while leveling and stil keep good amount of spell damage?and maybe even at max level? how good is the scaling
>>750890506Man moving while casting just feels wrong to me. All my years of WoW has firmly cemented "cast bar = stationary" in my lizard brain.
>>750917130>pvp in babby's mmooooooh such skilllll i pressed 1 2 3 with tab targeting oooooh im so goood with all my twinked echant gear so my damage is based on gear not on my actual talent wooow im so epic
>>750923486>Shaman mainsAll 12 of them
>>750914670And just like that they continue to make the same mistakes the retail team have. So much for keeping the fantasy of vanilla.
>>750898207Difference there is mages don't have to re-gear for each spec.
>>750923486They have the worst class mechanic. If it were just damage dealing fire totems it would be a thousand times less horrible, but you just get to be individually weaker while leveling like 70% of the time unless you want to blow mana moving shit all the day.Even with the totem moving shit on a 30s cooldown, do (you) want to have to arbitrarily hit that shit every pull to move all your crap around when no one else has to deal with such fuckassery? Or move them around during boss fights every time there is movement?Then there's the problem with generally low damage for the actual damage dealing totems and as stupid as it is, totems that have their own threat table getting them fucking broken instantly unless the tank has aoe threat.Rogues with on target points blows but at least they can generally slap shit and get up and go whenever they need to, Shamans have been bothersome for the majority of their existence.
>>750923876Yes instead of getting tier drops you get an item and it will start a group quest to unlock the piece
>>750909279Why is Enhancement being more of a melee spellcaster a problem exactly? Just because it wasn't like that before? I really don't think WF being objectively the best DPS imbue is as core to the spec's identity as these clowns do. Furthermore, even if it was, I don't think it's a bad thing if that identity changes. If the new thing sucks ass, sure, that's no good, but I'm not going to shit my pants and whine just because I'm competing with mages and boomkin for gear instead of warriors and rogues and hunters and have a red swirly on my weapon instead of a white swirly.
>>750924645Seems highly jewish, knowing the faggot ass classic playerbase theyll be selling invites to tier piece quest shares rather than using it so everyone in the raid gets it
>>750924723just another time sink to keep people subbed because raid logging is not enough.
>tfw I play Paladin so I don't care
>>750924645So every tier piece is now a group quest? So you either hope people are willing to help you get shit or you group up with other people who won a tier drop? Are the quests a random or all identical?Sounds like a bad idea in nearly any direction though, you're already grouping up with the lads to fight shit to get the token drop in the first place so why do it more?
>>750924853There is no way to know right now but considering how rushed everything is the quest will most likely be identical and yes it is a terrible idea but like this guy said >>750924796 they are just trying to keep the raiders busy
>>750916949>>750924645So like the hunter and priest epics in MC? What's wrong with that? Sounds cool actually, now it's a little event with your mates after getting the loot.
>>750924943Loot should be loot :)
>>750889798I mean they changed spell cost so that every class would cost the same to buy all abilities 1-60. paladins only got a free mount because their spells cost more, so yeah,
>>750909646>>750881926>>>750894989kek same
>>750879269one more dyslexia anon reporting in, read it as shadman
>>750924853i think the quest idea is kinda cool for it but not a fucking group quest thats just retarded
>>750923948The sustained spellpower scaling option currently sims (because we only have sims atm) higher DPS overall than the standard WF? Then yes, it's a lie that they "basically removed windfury". WF still exists and is as good as it was, there just happens to be another option that outDPSs it if you gear differently. WF still exists and still offers the burst damage it always did.
>>750924853>>750924942They are trying to disuade pug culture
>>750925343>Healers get nothing for the raid>none of them want to help you with your questsDayum shame.
>>750925390The guild leader will force them to help you
Group quests...you think they'll ship you off to dungeons to make sure newer players / latecomers can still run dungeons when everyone else doesn't need them anymore?
>play mmo>quest solo up to max level>roll an alt>do it all againHell yeah motherfucker.
>>750879269this isn't a fucking news site, stop formatting your faggot posts like this
>>750925653What's your favorite solo pve class for Forever?
>Getting roped into doing pvp by my friend group
>>750925801Shaman, Warrior, Priest, Paladin.The ones where you actually have to try, unlike Hunter & Warlock.
>>750925556Makes sense to me. Have the raids feed back into dungeons. Bit like the badges dailies, but less of a daily obligation.
>riptide is just rejuvenation now>and I don't even have to choose who to chain heal now based on HP, just the tank for the buff to CH healingKind of boring but okay.
>>750925852Just make what you want since they'll be bored of the pvp server in 2 weeks
>>750898536Fuck barny for making this imageSeriously
>>750925859>priest>tryLol. Lmao even.
>>750926901Paladin too. The class that was famously so plays-itself that you could just click a mob and tab out to beat off, only tabbing back in to loot and click the next mob. And that was before Forever's buffs.
>Arms Warrior still barely touched>2H Fury sims better>try to buff rogues>they're still on the bottom of the list except Muti which is now midtier>Ret is now the 2nd best DPS and enhance 3rd best, while also bringing assloads of utilitylol. these fuckheads are incompetent.
>>750927661MUH SIMSstick to retail nigger
This is your dungeon healer
>>750927685kill yourself aggrend
