>ruins shooters forever
>>750881569Yeah, fuck putting sprint on L3Actually, fuck sprinting, your character should just move forward that fast by default.
>using sticks for a shooterAuto-aimlets are pathetic. Mouse and Gyro surpassed them years ago.
>>750881850>gyro
>>750881910>faster than sticks>more accurate than sticks>no aim assist neededYes, gyro. The only people that moan about them are uncoordinated fat fucks
>>750882036gyro is a nintendo waggle gimmick since nintendo wii sports resortserious gamers use gen 2 tmr sticks. fucking magnets
nothing beats a good gyro
>>750881850left stick is movement lilbrobro
>>750882036>worse than mice
>>750881569why would you play a shooter with a controler ?it's the worst type of game that ever existed anyway
>>750882158it's not 2007 any moreWaggle was where you make a vague gesture and the character sometimes replicates it.Gyro is able to get 1:1
>>750882330>gyrolets generally believe thislmao
>>750882330More precise waggleshit is still waggleshit.
>>750882290having to design shooters around controllers makes them shit
>>750882613Thats just admitting you're uncoordinated then. You set it up right and moving the controller is no different to moving your mouse, it's just not on a surface.
>>750882702>copes
>>750881739Why can't they just add more buttons?Controllers are basically stuck in PS1 era.
>>750882251The only reason gyro is worse than mouse is that it's still attached to slow stick aiming. If you use a trackpad or flickstick, it's as good as mouse.>>750882158>serious gamers use gen 2 tmr sticksDoesn't help at all because sticks are just inherently shit at aiming. You need some type of 1:1 input like a mouse, gyro or trackpads.
>>750882864nope
>>750882186>The only way for me to eat a good gyro is to make one myselfLife is suffering.
>>750882864>gyro>1:1
>>750882864>sticks are just inherently shit at aimingfound the raw input faggot
Gyro is a pretty cool guy
>>750883004buddy shooters are unplayable on a joystick without aim assist
>>750882912>>750882961>cope>>750883004No. Aim assist doesn't count. The fact that raw input isn't enough and aim assist is required is in fact the reason sticks are shit. The fact that raw gyro, mouse and trackpad input is enough and they don't require any aim assist is why they are good.
>>750883174see >>750882828
>look at what they must do to mimic a fraction of our power
>>750881850Mouse is better but obviously not better for you.
>>75088347290% lg with this bad boy right hurr
>>750882828Increase your sensitivity bro...
>>750882828>>750883235What's supposed to be the point here? That he's playing badly? How is that the fault of the input method? I can just as well find a million videos shitters on controller or mouse to "prove" those are objectively bad input methods.
>>750883656why do that when i can just use a mouse
>>750883717show us one completive player that uses gyro, i'll wait
>>750883004
>>750883796Competitive players are outliers nobody gives a fuck about but sure
we need to go back
>>750883796Even now gyro is only barely starting to become popular enough that you can expect it to be in most games and even then it's not always a good implementation. There's no reason to put in the effort to learn an input method that the next fotm game might not even support when your career depends on you playing that game well. Especially when learning it would take away effort from getting better at using mouse. Besides, a lot of competitive gamers are using sticks now because aim assist is too broken in newer games. Doesn't mean sticks are better.With all that said, take a look at the entire splatoon competitive scene.
>>750884065>nobody cares about the best players of the game
>>750884065Maybe in casual nintardo land nobody plays competitive.
>>750884039>what no mouse does to a mf
>>750884113Yes. They play games in their own bubble and complain about mechanics to the detriment of the other 99% of players that simply find it fun.>>750884145He asked for competitive players and got them.
>>750884265just admit that you suck at playing fps with mice
>>750884096Please no.
>>750884065why don't they use mice? Oh right
>>750884325You've read me entirely wrong. I use mice, it's my preferred way of playing a shooter. If given the option between stick and gyro, it will always be gyro.My stance isn't that gyro is better than mice, it's that sticks are shite.
>>750884412then stop shilling gyro when mice exists
>>750882158The right analog stick has been a Sony waggle gimmick since Ape Escape. What is your point?>>750882290Why would you play anything on a modern first party controller? They're all budget-slashed, arrested development trash and aren't good at anything.The fact that Sony has a VR controller, an actual post-2010 controller rather than the 90s slop being peddled by Xbox or the mid 00s controllers that Nintendo is still pushing, and hasn't made that controller into its primary input device is just laughable.
>>750884465Not until the cretins with aim-assist learn their place.
>>750882860I think this is probably an issue with xinput. In someways xinput was great because it allowed easy plug and play of controllers when it used to be a real pain the in ass to get a controller to work for a game. But the spec defines 4 face buttons and so I think everyone is just stuck with that. Not sure how much effort it would take to extend it. It's definitely a shame that the 6 face button controller scheme lost.
@gyro-AnonUntil all cucksoles start supporting gyro there will be no wide adoption.kekbox-like controllers are the widely used for PC and *shocking* those don't support gyro.
yeah designing shooters around consoletards was a mistakeconsolejeet holocaust when
KB/M genuinely feels like shit and a crutch if you take game design seriously at all. Clicking icons on your desktop isn't a skill and people irl aren't making 180° twitch shots at random targets.
Yay gyro is great.>you can mostly only use it on pc where mouse would be the better choice most of the timeConsoles are retarded
>>750884803Sorry, but you need the mouse and a dense input device (not necessarily keyboard) for more varied verb/noun gameplay. Console shooters are shit, because you can't aim at anything without heavyhanded assistance (which forces games to oversimplify the things you can interact with by aiming at them down to just enemies) and you only have 2 buttons that aren't being being blocked by the mandatory ADS (need a walk button for your analog camera) and shoot button because bumpers and triggers are the only buttons that most controllers have that don't compete with the thumbsticks.Consoleslop is stagnating because games need to set themselves apart based on the functionality of what is often just a single context sensitive button.
>muh mouseHow are you going to use a mouse and keyboard while sitting on the couch? How are you going to get 360° analog movement with a keyboard?Besides, why are you all threatened enough by gyro to keep seething about it if mouse is so much better? What's the harm with another input method existing?
half life killed shooters. pckeks don't want to admit it but they know it to be true. a genre just starting out and it was killed in the cradle
>>750887132>muh couch
>>750887357>Doom killed shooters>Quake killed shooters>Half-life killed shooters>Halo killed shooters>CoD killed shooters>Fortnite killed shooters>We are here
>>750887357Shut up Tim nobody cared about Unreal
>>750884692>xinput is limiting PlayStation and Switch controllers when they don't even support it>microsoft couldn't just update xinput if they wanted toretard
controlfags should 1v1 gyrochads in the ultimate /v/ showdown
>>750881569Only bad thing is the lack of TMR sticks
>>750881569wrong stick, bitch.
>>750887556whats next? marathon?
>>750888950>being so wrong you have to ai-generate a comic because nobody actually agreed enough to make it before.
>>750889180Newfag
>>750887546>no argument
>>750887683>xinput is limiting PlayStation and Switch controllers when they don't even support itIt is because games can't make use of any extra features when they only support xinput.>microsoft couldn't just update xinput if they wanted toThe issue is that they don't want to.
>>750889573Then post that one dickhead.Still not reading all that cope though
>>750881569fuck this shit, when are we getting neural input methods?
>>750889573>controller trigger has a similar physical tactical feel of pulling a gun triggerIrrelevant>controller grip feels like holding a gun gripFalse>rumble gives you-Rumble sucks>adaptive triggersNintendo-tier gimmick>with controller you raise your hands up-No one does thatI'm sorry that your method of immersion is to roleplay like a child.
>>750887683>>750889723>>xinput is limiting PlayStation and Switch controllers when they don't even support itMicrosoft has been pushing GameInput as replacement for Xinput so it can support more controllers out of box.
>>750890615>cope>cope>cope>cope>cope
>>750887357This is the real answer to what killed shooters but nu-/v/ has an average age of 17 so of course no one ITT has played it
>>750889573So a bad cope to real authentic simulation>VRAND an overpriced replacement to perfectly efficient solution>mouse
>>750889846>>750890615>>750892653Tell me youre a PC vegan without telling me youre a PC vegan
>>750881850>>750882036>gyro autist still on /v/ post hack They ban the anti cat or butt thread autists but not this annoying shill asshole?
>>750881569That's the movement stick though, not the aiming one.
>>750892939You ever consider that I'm a whole other person with an opinion.Not everyone disagreeing with you is the same guy but they must have done some thing for you to flip out for just seeing the same thought.
Anyone else hate this fucking bastardized hybrid analog stick design that's somehow become standard since the PS4? Like not domed and not concave, but a raise ring surrounding a domed middle that isn't any higher than the ring?
>>750881569That's the movement stick though, and having analogue movement is better than digital with a keyboard. A mouse's analogue input is still the best for aiming though.
>>750892156Cope for what? I already have a controller, I just don't use it for FPS cause I'm not a faggy roleplayer.
>>750882186I don't like them because they get infested with mites.
>>750892765>coping because he's a consolepoor30fps ought to be enough for everyone, right?
>>750895727I have a gaming PC too and both look the same even at 4k
analog stick is great for movement, its just actually shit for aiming. we will never have analog stick + mouse.
>>750887132>How are you going to get 360° analog movement with a keyboard?That's literally what the mouse is for.>What's the harm with another input method existing?If the most common input methods are incapable of playing good games, then the volume of good games being produced is significantly smaller.
actually this is what ruined shooters forever
>>750881569Does the stick drift happen if youre not an unaware retard who mashes buttons and slams sticks with all their might, and gets angry and throws their controller? I wonder how much of this is self inflicted, ive seen some people play games and theyre like a mindless oaf with no grace
>>750897273>That's literally what the mouse is for.The mouse doesn't help you with analog movement at all. And you don't always want to use the camera to turn.>If the most common input methods are incapable of playing good games, then the volume of good games being produced is significantly smaller.I know. That's why I'm arguing in favor of gyro and trackpads. If they were standard on controllers, controllers would be comparable to mouse and keyboard so games wouldn't have to be simplified for them. Not only does gyro not harm you, it would actually actively benefit you even if you never touch a controller.
>>750897458The S controller was so bad compared to the Duke.
>>750897709>The mouse doesn't help you with analog movement at allthis is one of the dumbest arguments in existence. the mouse plus keyboard enables full 360 degree movement.
>>750897654Drift is an inherent flaw of potentiometers. The resistive strip gets worn with friction from use which leads to drifting. Obviously using it like a retarded caveman will cause more wear and make it happen faster, but even if you're gentle, it's something that will inevitably happen given enough time.
>>750897920Thats gay and jewish
>>750897826>this is one of the dumbest arguments in existence. the mouse plus keyboard enables full 360 degree movement.No, this is. Are you aware of the difference between analog and 360°? There's a reason I mentioned both, it's because they mean different things. If you read the next sentence, you'd see I know you can turn the camera to change direction.
>>750897654Dog I had a Nintendo switch 1 for like 5 years and used it in dock mode for hundreds of hours. I put a total of about 5-10 hours into Breath of the Wild and this year and got stick drift on a Joycon. I assume if dust/debris gets into the stick and it's not using magnets like TMR then it's game over
>>7508980725-10 hours on the joycons in handheld more for the first time* is what I meant to say
>>750896951It's not great for movement when you have to control the camera at the same time, so mouse and analog stick just becomes kind of pointless.>>750897709>The mouse doesn't help you with analog movement at all.It lets you smoothly walk wherever you want, it definitely helps with analog movement. If you want to walk slower, then some games use the scrollwheel to adjust movement speed, but even analog stick controller games usually have run buttons.>And you don't always want to use the camera to turn.This is a thread about shooters, why wouldn't you use the camera to turn?
>>750897458Halo didn't ruin shooters, every dev trying to make their game Halo for the next 15 years did. Two weapon limit, regen health, sticky aim, 70 fov, crouch-speed movement, the whole plague package. The controller was just the delivery mechanism.
>>750898120halo introducing auto-aim to first person shooters to make them playable on consoles is what ruined first person shooters anon. don't be dense. Were other shooters supposed to just not have auto-aim?
>>750898120The controller was the limiting factor that required almost all of those changes.The poor button economy, the inability to really look or move accurately and the split-brain movement all derive from the controller.
>>750898117>It lets you smoothly walk wherever you want, it definitely helps with analog movementIt helps with 360° movement. But it's still digital movement since you only have 2 speeds, still or moving.>If you want to walk slower, then some games use the scrollwheel to adjust movement speedThat's fair, but it's not as convenient or intuitive as just pushing the stick by the amount of speed you want.>This is a thread about shooters, why wouldn't you use the camera to turn?It's especially relevant in shooters. You might need to keep your aim on a specific target but also be able to move in a precise direction that's between the 8 available on keyboard.
>mfw xbox niggers still holding back the industry because the cheap jeets at microsaar refuse to put a gyroscope in their dog shit controllersLOL
>>750898072Thanks for sharing that youre a tendie, so we know to ignore your post
>>750882828this is like the exaggeration of how people say tendies look while playing on the switch lmao
>>750898120It sounds like you're saying that Halo DID ruin shooters by introducing all the bad things about modern shooters. It's not like those things were good in Halo and only became bad when another game did them.
>>750898530>you might need to keep your aim on a specific target but also be able to move in a precise direction that's between the 8 available on keyboard.yes, something that literally never happens is a good argument for sticks.
>>750898117the thing is, we never tried to see if it's not great for movement when you have to control the camera at the same time. games are hardcoded to use either kb+m or controller, with no inbetween. the moment any game recognizes a slight tilt of an analog stick, kb+m turns off to swap to controller support. we cant even take that first step to test the waters.
>>750898629I have like 4 games on switch and got it with a bonus check from my last job on salefor context I've played 93 games this year alone.but yes I am a tendie, you caught me
>>750881569Shooters are best played with an arcade stick, but a gamepad is fine too.
>>750898530>It helps with 360° movement. But it's still digital movement since you only have 2 speeds, still or moving.>That's fair, but it's not as convenient or intuitive as just pushing the stick by the amount of speed you want.You glanced over the fact that most shooters have run buttons, the analog thumbstick just doesn't have the fidelity to enable the full range of speed regardless, so it's not really a significant advantage since you're still giving up the ability to instantly switch from one button input to another in exchange for what is mostly a gimmick.>It's especially relevant in shooters. You might need to keep your aim on a specific target but also be able to move in a precise direction that's between the 8 available on keyboard.Most shooters designed for analog sticks are designed so that the player doesn't really use both analog sticks together with any significant coordination anyway, so this is a usecase that is mostly a hypothetical ideal that doesn't happen without heavy aim assist.>>750898826This isn't a universal limitation and there's still really no reason to do it. You've got two brain hemisperes controlling each hand and coordinating heavily between them in order to imagine how someone who isn't you will move is inefficient, just let one hemisphere decide where to go otherwise the game will need assist features just to make it possible for the average plebeian who hasn't trained the fine art of rubbing his stomach and patting his head at the same time.
Analog movement has absolutely no value outside of 3D platformers that have locked cameras. If it did people would use it in competition and they aren't.
>>750899415I move my anal logs into the bowl, which then go into the septic tank.
>>750898685>stand on thin walkway>enemy across the gap at an angle that forces you to choose between keeping your aim on him or walking offEven if that's not a common occurrence, it's precisely because WASD movement is limiting. Devs can't design maps with areas like that because it would only work with 360° movement independent of the camera.If mouse adopted stick movement and gyro became standard, it would allow devs to design more interesting maps that require more precise movement because they now have a better input method available.I don't get how someone who prefers mouse can possibly defend WASD when a stick is simply better for movement in the exact same way a mouse is better than a stick for aiming.>>750899214>most shooters have run buttons, the analog thumbstick just doesn't have the fidelity to enable the full range of speed regardlessTrue, but there's still enough precision for a good 4 speeds. That's more than would be intuitive on a keyboard.>since you're still giving up the ability to instantly switch from one button input to anotherThat's admittedly true but a stick really doesn't take much more time to switch.>Most shooters designed for analog sticks are designed so that the player doesn't really use both analog sticks together with any significant coordination anywayThat's a bad thing too and ideally wouldn't be the case. Ideally, people would use gyro+trackpads or a mouse with a stick for movement and games could be designed with that in mind.
>>750899214>talking about brain hemispheresbro, its fucking video games. analog stick good for movement, mouse good for aiming. why dont you put a bullet in the hemisphere of you being a faggot?
Mouse > Gyro >>>> Right stickLeftstick >> WASD
>>750889573Holy shit imagine being this bad at videogames that you need to make this toddler tier shit argument.
>>750899838>Mouse > Gyro >>>> Right stickI'd sayMouse ≈ Gyro + Trackpad ≈ Gyro + Flickstick >> Gyro + Regular stick >>>> Right stick
>>750899567>I don't get how someone who prefers mouse can possibly defend WASD when a stick is simply better for movement in the exact same way a mouse is better than a stick for aiming.Because the additional speeds and movement vectors do not matter in any scenario ever. Nobody in the history of PC FPS has ever thought "man, I really wish I had analog for this". If it did, people would use it in competition. They aren't.
>WASD is so limiting bro I'm not sure how many levels of brain damage you must have to think analog movement has any value whatsoever outside of 3D platformers with fixed cameras. Not even bullet hell scrollers give a fuck about analog.
>>750884692>when it used to be a real pain the in ass to get a controller to work for a game.Wow setting your input buttons was soo hard. Direct Input was 1,000,000 times better than XInput and microcock can go to hell for destroying PC controller input.
>>750901962>onscreen prompt says to hit b12>no anal log supportNobody will ever use linux, fatty. XInput is supreme and so is DX12 Ultimate.
>>750903640Direct Input is a part of the DirectX libraries.It has support for any number of analogue inputs. Button prompts are unnecessary.
i play shooter on controller with no aim assist. its really not that bad. aiming is usually more about positioning anyway
>>750881739If you ever wondered what causes all the stick drift it's because of mashing L3 to sprint all the time.
>>750903815>Button prompts are unnecessary>never did Zell's limit break
>>750901608Oh look at that, you posted something momentum based where the mouse is doing most of the work anyway.For genres where momentum isn't a factor an snap changes in direction matter: analog is superior.
>>750884816Based Splatoon
>>750904030Nonsensical inputs is retarded design.
>>750898632makes sensetendies are the ones pushing the gyro meme
>>750904474This sounds like lincuck cope.
>>750904628Direct Input is a windows library anon. It has nothing to do with linux.
>>750904683>lincuck seething that nobody wants to use his open source shit
>gyrops5 has only few games that support it, what a shamepc is different story>>750903930what shooters do you play?
Splatoon is and remains the biggest player using it. Fucking pinoneer that game
>>750905098It's not open source either. It's a closed source windows library. Are you retarded?
>>750906223>linux fat on suicide watch
>>750906265I see, you're a child retard who can't cope with being entirely wrong on a topic because they were underaged banned when they came out.. XInput and Direct Input are both Microsoft. Direct Input was released along side Direct Sound and DirectX. XInput was released alongside their dogshit cosolified Xbox game libraries for Games for Windows Live on Vista
>>750904053>For genres where momentum isn't a factor an snap changes in direction matterObjectively wrong. 2 fingers on keys can change direction faster and more accurately than analog.I'm still yet to see a single example of analog movement having ANY value and it speaks volumes my posts on it are being ignored.PCKINGS won again.
It objectively feels better to use for movement than WASD, half setup with analog controller/mouse might be ideal at least for me
>>750907279You mean objectively feels worse for movement.Also, you'd be pained to know that a half setup doesn't work for 90% of games. Controller input locks KBM in most games. The other 10% thay do work constantly flashes back and forth the onscreen prompts. Game devs are fucking retarded.
>>750889573>words words wordsShitty meme. You must be a <insert false choice tribal party here> shill.
>>750901336>people would use it in competition. They aren't.ackshually they are because analog is so shit that the auto-aim has to insanely over compensate to make it even comparable to kb+m which leads to tons of means to exploit the autoaim to be superior to kb+m
>>750899567>>enemy across the gap at an angle that forces you to choose between keeping your aim on him or walking offname two games that make common use of your extreme (literal) edge-case scenario.
>>750909201You fucking retard. Never ever respond to me again.
>>750881850>>750882036I think he died long before the invention of vidya
>>750889573this one gets me everytimeyou can tell the person that made this has never held or shot a gun in real life but made an entire copecomic to make controllers seem better than mkb
