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I'm having fun so I figured I'd make a thread.
Currently tromping around in the depths of the Mausoleum.
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Also taking a break from the FUCKING Pandora Blade.
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More like Queer's Domain lmao
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Are there magic builds?
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Even aside from muh retro graphics I can take one look at this game and immediately tell it was made by a tranny, something about the UI and weapons just looks very troony
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>>750902115
Not really. You don't get to dictate your stat spread, your HP n damage just go up with each level. There are some magical weapons though.
Early on, you get a blue torch that sets things on fire and can chuck a ball of fire. Later, you've got a water mace, a wind sword, a wind rapier, a staff covered in the skulls of scholars, the one in the OP is a scythe that can throw out spectral diseased chakrams.
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Where are enemies #13, #14 and #15?
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Lunacid was kind of mid, I didn't like Labyrinth of the Demon King, and Dark Deception was so light on actual mechanics I got bored before the halfway point. Should I even bother checking this out?
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>>750901986
Mimics are tanky whew
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>>750901986
The duck merchant is so fucking silly and unsoulful
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>>750902323
15 is on the shopkeeper's island
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>>750902369
You clearly like this kind of game considering you keep going for it, so.. why not?
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>>750902115
Not until super lategame.
Although in true KF style you're kinda just great at everything by the end.

>>750902369
Give the demo a try if you're unsure, but I'll say I have the exact same opinion spread as you and I'm having a fantastic time with Queen's Domain.
All QD lacks is world depth/worldbuilding, everything is kind of a stupid joke. Which is a pretty big thing to lack but everything else is kind of in the bag.
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>>750902587
Thanks. Guess it's for much later, then. I've only completed the Mausoleum .
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>>750902227
It's 2027 anon. It's time to accept trans run everything now.
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Anyone able to confirm the flesh on the 2nd floor stairs in the tower only has 3 faces? My game crashed while I was killing them and I feel like that bugged the removal.
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>>750902682
by 2030 the male gender will be extinct
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>>750902323
#13 is there on the plateu with the centipedes.
hit the rock a couple times to make him show
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>>750902552
I wish it took things more seriously.
I'd say none of the humor lands, but the fucking skeletons do crack me up.
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>>750902678
Funny enough, I thought something similar, but you can probably reach it now. It was mentioned last thread, so I tried it and it just worked lol.
Assuming you have 4 Wind Gems, go to the top of the Mausoleum, go to the side facing the distant island, whip out a sword with a basic forward dash, then jump, wind dash, wait a short second, wind dash, repeat, then spam the sword forward dash ability, cause it can be used infinitely in midair.
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what am i missing here
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>>750901986
Is there ever a better way to kill things beyond spamming your throwables and then just kiting conga lines of aggro'd enemies spamming lunging attacks?
Defensive play feels pretty meager.

Like against that first big skeleton boss it was a lot of running in circles throwing daggers, because strafing and jumping didn't really seem to be a consistent way to avoid damage in close.
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I found this hidden door. I believe it was not too long before the whale?
>>750902859
>>750902917
Thanks!
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>>750903028
Running backwards will put you out of range for bosses, just bop them and run out of range, and for lunging enemies you want to run past them and hug their side because they can't track for shit.
Which means slow weapons are a bad fit for aggressive enemies since running resets your bar but that seems pretty obvious.
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>>750903028
you gotta do spacing. when the enemy does short range move you back off. when it does a charge you walk past it.
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>>750903293
Good job, now find the other 88 hidden doors. That's not hyperbole. There's a lot of hidden doors.
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>>750902957
Can't tell, your pic is pretty damn vague.
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>>750903028
>first big skeleton boss
A great example, you could avoid his huge overhead windup by just running towards and around him.
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>>750903365
I hope there are tons of hidden doors. That's what I loved in the King's Field games, I have written 30+ pages of secrets.
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>another KF like
how is it? my faves were 2 and 3
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The Ancient World has these buildings that are one room sized but have 2 seperate tunnels that extend well beyond the size of the building. The tunnels circle around so in your mind you'd expect the tunnel to return you back to that room but you're actually on the other side of the region now in a different building with 2 tunnels. If you back track and take the other tunnel it takes you somewhere else while doing the circle but counterclockwise.
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>>750903684
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>>750903629
Those are also my favourites (3>2), and I'm loving it.
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>>750903412
theres a door to the right of the statue, but i dont see anything that can open it. the only other way out of the room is by going back to where i came from, but its a dead end
i got this cube and a book in this area
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this game has too much SOVL
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>>750903629
It is the closest to KF2 map quality any of these games have gotten since KF2.

>>750903684
Yeah they're teleporters.
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>>750903748
I didn't even realize it was doing this until i loaded my save today and questioned the size of the building and then investigated.
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>>750903779
Ah, no idea then, never been there.
And given I have more HP than you, that's surprising.
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>>750903464
I figured that out.
But when you're in close and he does that one fast horizontal slash, it was not easy to avoid that damage through strafing, nor can you jump the attack with consistency. Obviously, you can outspace it, but that slowed the pace to a total crawl and with the club you'd often still get hit as you came in.
It was faster to just damage trade and have a stockpile of healing herbs to account for that.

It doesn't feel like there's a way to be actively defensive in tight.
More that you just have to bait the enemy to attack and use distance.
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>>750903836
yeah it's very well hidden
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Level up the club, whatever you do for the love of god LEVEL UP THE CLUB.
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>>750903827
Ya don't say??
What im getting at is that the trickery here is very cool. I wonder how its done behind the scenes.
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>>750903839
>and with the club you'd often still get hit as you came in.
full charge club hit staggers him
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>>750903987
>I wonder how its done behind the scenes.
You'll notice that the doors don't open until you're inside the building, the walkways are just not set to render until you're inside to hide that they'd poke out the building itself and then once you're halfway on the walkway they can just set player position to anywhere they want.
Don't even need to hide a loading screen since it's all in memory, since all stops are in the same area.
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>Herald of Okbujo
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>>750903839
>with the club you'd often still get hit as you came in
Wait for attack, right click. That's literally it with the club.
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>>750904117
To add to this, for anyone as stupid as I am: you don't have to wait for a full stamina bar to charge your weapon, you should be charging it as it's filling. Double DPS for free.
Took an embarrassing amount of time for that to click.
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>>750903963
Which club?
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What do i do about this puzzle in the water temple?
i have all 3 trident keys and humped every wall in the vicinity, but i can't find a way to reach that back wall that's very obviously needed to open up
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Does the wind rapier that you find in the tower of knowledge evolve?
I remember finding that leaf blade that appeared in the trailer pretty cool, so I'm curious if it's an evolution of that
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>>750901986
>finding lost pirates
>find cave round back of island
>pitch black rape sewers
>lost hour of progress because im a retard and didn't save
fuck
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holy fucking shill these threads just don't stop
we know one of the devs is a massive neck beard on the verge of transitioning so it's probably him spamming this slop
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>>750904635
just continue on for now
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absolutely stumped
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fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck I hate this shit
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>>750904635
it's a crack in the wall on the elevator after the boss
also there's a skull under the elevator
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AAAAAAHHHHHHH
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>>750904736
>nonono WHY are you enjoying a game that i dont enjoy?!!! im le hecking smart and have good taste and i dont like it so you must be LE SHILL
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>>750904713
No.

>>750904719
I circled back there way later, and the raping just continues as you get deeper. Fuckass Lake of Rot into Endgame Verdant Hollow rapeathon.
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>>750904776
where do you get the cube?
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>>750904713
nah, only rusty weapons/wooden club/mainblade/jarclub/gemtrident
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I seemed to encounter a bug with the Poison Knives or maybe Poison altogether.
I poisoned one of those Deerbugs in ancient world and turning my camera away to run while it died but it wasn't taking damage while i was looking away. So i tested it for a moment and I found that I could only tick damage to it while the camera was facing it.
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>>750904856
this nigga jumpscared me in the mausoleum
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>>750904763
>>750904817
>after the boss
hate when they tease you like this.
thanks, at least the boss is close
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>>750904856
who gave lil nigga a steel brew?
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>>750902369

Try Entropy, it's neat:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3940340/Entropy/
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how do I get there? crack in the wall near where the cook is
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does the thing in the jar club do anything or is it just for the coins?
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>>750904927
There's some jank. If you can get close to a ceiling and then spam wing blade you tend to get teleported through the ceiling.
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>>750904856
These and the centipedes or w/e still manage to jumpscare me.
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>>750905003
>crack in the wall near where the cook is
Left into the big chamber with the iron rod locked huge doorway. There's a treasure room in there and look where the skeleton in the coffin is pointing.
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>>750904986
no, I don't think I will
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>>750904625
the wooden club you get at the start
it is really really good
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If I like this game, which Kings Field should I try? So far the aesthetic + weapons stand out to me most. I love cool high fantasy weapons.
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>>750901986
This may be my GOTY, not gonna lie.
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Mimics are fuckin crazy. First enemy I actually bitched out and ran away from.
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>>750905182
got it thanks! I could've sworn I checked that wall spam clicking E
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>>750905307
shadow tower abyss
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>>750905307
KF 1-3, Shadow Tower and ST Abyss are all great. KF has framerate problems that you want to sort out first, though.
KF4 looks good, sounds great, but is kind of painful to beat.
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>>750905453
I met one like 15 hours ago and it's making me paranoid cause I haven't seen a 2nd one yet.
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>>750902039
jej
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>>750902039
when does it change?
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>>750905548
>when
It's changing constantly.
It gets redder.
I don't know anything else yet.
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>>750903963
It was my first evolved weapon, I am BLESSED.
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>>750905403
it's pretty awesome
been a pretty bad year though
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Now this is truly a big domain
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>>750904884
jump off the cliff where you light the blue fire by the cemetery, there's also a book for the tower in the same cave
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What are the Alchemy and Construction technique books?
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>>750905307
Shadow Tower Abyss is the actual closest.
Kings Field games are way slower than this.
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>>750904776
it's in the shortcut that you use to go to the Silence, you have to dash across instead of falling down and then do a turn in the air and keep dashing to a detached room
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>>750905935
rubedo
dams and weirs
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>>750904792
There's an egg when you fall via big hole between roots to the rot zone, if not that then perhaps an egg in the halls of torment
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>>750906025
Well then, guess I missed those or didn't get far enough (just beat the mausoleum).
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I did it
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Anyone tried it on switch? Hesitant with anything first person not on KBM but ive been enjoying the handheld and couch aspects recently
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>>750906198
It's fine on console, so I'd imagine the switch is good too.
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>ancient driller just one shot me from full health
okay
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>>750906198
I've just been playing it with a gamepad, didn't feel great on KBM. 3gb game is going to run fine on Switch.

>>750906090
You are still earlygame brother.
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>>750906167
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where the hell do I go in Ancient World
I talked to the scientist and went through all the orange doors I could find but I'm stuck now, also this area is fuckhuge and exhausting, it actually hurts my head a bit
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>>750901986
So is the game actually good/fun or are we doing FOTM Kings Field clunk nostalgia
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>>750906328
happened to me once too lol
Kept my distance since then
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>Wandering Stalker
Hate
HATE
HATE
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>>750906336
>You are still earlygame
VERY nice. I love the game.
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How is it compared to Verho?
I liked that Verho was actually very serious about its setting
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>>750906392
Teleporter has a stop with a cave that leads to a hut that'll have the blue sealbreaker in it you can use to fuck up the power pyramid things to get inside the Evil-Ass Power Palace.
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>>750906392
there is a small house with orange key lift that goes down that gives you a gimmick gun, in the area with a bigger dark cave with minigolems, go left after going up
then go to disable 3 power obelisks
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>>750906392
from the house/door where the scientist is, there's a small bridge that leads into a short cave and after that a building, enter it and circle around 4 times I think, that's the path where you should go next
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OJOJOJOJOJ HAHAHHA SKUNGA
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>>750906538
>>750906554
>>750906590
thanks bros
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>>750906520
Somehow haven't played Verho.
I'd call QD easily the best of the KF-likes I have played, but it is a chucklefuck game. Everything is kind of a stupid joke. It's honestly a problem.

>>750906590
You guys should be taking notes, 4 loops is just going to put you back where you started.
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>go to try out the demo
>see recent reviews for the demo are mixed
>lots of complaints about combat taking forever and enemies being too tanky
>try it myself
>enemies have resistances and weaknesses
Genuinely baffled by how fucking stupid people are. The demo was cool though and I think it's the only king's field style game that actually scratches the itch instead of just telling you it does.
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So when I cleanse a magic rune with the second sight glasses, how the fuck do I know what it did?
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stupid transgender itch io garbage. play a real game.
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>>750906819
bet most people didn't charge attacks
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>>750906819
>Genuinely baffled by how fucking stupid people are
You'd be surprised how many people hated King's Field because they didn't understand you had to wait for your stamina to go up before attacking and complained that it took 10 minutes to beat a single ennemy.
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>>750906167
nice, what is the mysterious ritual?
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what do?
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>>750907010
69 skulls
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>>750906830
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>>750907010
that's for ending 4, you need to collect all 69 silver skulls
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>>750907103
it's mostly streamer meme stuff, I have no clue if you can get anything hinted at in-game but here's a list
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1799840/discussions/0/563671973817356743/
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how long is the game?
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>>750907164
anon
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so is it good? I asked this yesterday but someone just called me a tranny
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>>750907435
50+
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>>750907595
I enjoy the game but you should simply try the demo.
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>>750907595
it's great.
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>>750907661
fuck me
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>>750907435
30 hrs
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Why do monsters respawn after a while even if you haven't rested
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>>750907595
I saw one screenshot and bought it
it's great, it's only $15 anyway
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>>750907802
where?
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>>750907802
I dont know
I think if you leave the area they start respawning, even if you don't rest
same thing if you quit and load
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>>750902039
>>750905548
>>750905627
Just FYI, I have seen a different anon that got the blade to level 100(the max) and it doesn't evolve. Just gets more and more scaling and color.
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>>750907718
I'm at 45 now, and still have a bunch of shit to do.
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>>750907802
that bummed me out as well
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>>750906978

So basically Morrowind
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I'm about 10 hours in and I think im bored of it now. I liked it at first but its dragging on.
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Melee starts to feel way to dangerous past a point, especially with the sentinels and wardens. Do I just need to go all in on ranged?
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>>750901986
Troon shill thread

Troons Gambit
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>19.6h playtime
>only 15 achievements unlocked
15 bucks well spent and dodged a bullet by not buying phantom blade at full price
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>>750908038
just circle strafe anon
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>>750907872
Everywhere
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I have to do that stupid orb puzzle in the tower and now i don’t want to play
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look at this scary skeleton
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Just got Ending 2, how ball busting are Endings 3 and 4?
Seems like other anons are going crazy looking for Bestiary entries and Silver Skulls.
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>>750908278
>Ending 3
need to finish all quests for NPCs, all data, all eggs, all bestiary, 60 food tickets + some other things
>ending 4
need to do 3 + 69 silver skulls
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>>750908224
Anon you don't have to do that stupid orb puzzles in the tower.
You have to do three stupid orb puzzles in three towers.

Just chase it down to a dead end, if you can find a line of 3 orbs you just cycle the second and third in the chain to get a full charge. The one after the boss doesn't have a dead end but it completes itself.
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>>750908278
ending 3 is all bestiary(except one) and all eggs, 60 meal tickets
4 is 69 skulls on top
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>>750901986
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>>750908418
The gayest thing in the game is still Wardens sitting on shield.
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>>750908418
dropped
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>>750908418
chuds owned
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>>750901986
still trying to shill this troonslop huh?
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I got the key from the trader and am now looking for yellow chests. I opened the one on the trader's island and I know I found another one somewhere, but fuck if I remember where.
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>>750904792
please help bros

>>750906049
I already got these unfortunately, if by halls of torment you mean the sin library then I'm also pretty sure I got those as well
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>>750908594
down the well
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>>750908662

Welp, down I go. Thanks.
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>Wins in game
>Die in cutscene
oh this is BULLSHIT
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>>750908359
>>750908413
>69 silver skulls
Jesus fuck, I have 7 and I figured there were 10 total.
Well I still feel like playing but I doubt I'm going to make it to 3 or 4.
Is there something to make it a bit easier. Feels like this Mirror ain't doing shit.
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>>750908590
wew, almost pirated the game. saved meself some hours. thanks laddie.
btw why so greasy?
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>>750908646
by halls of torment I mean queen's castle
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>>750908752
it sounds harder than it is, if you deliver about 30 skulls to the place they are supposed to go you get really powerful QOL items to help you with gathering, shit like xray vision through map to see the items, chests etc, super run speed and jetpack-like power for hovering
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Ummm I'm at the beggining area but where do I go? I'm circling around the beach and back to the first save point and I can't find anywhere I can go. Any tips?
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Music is fucking weird. Would it kill to have more atmospheric tracks and less in-your-face noise like the worst offenders in System Shock
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>>750908861
find the daggers on the beach
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>>750908910
Some are pretty cool like this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RsKjd7owUU&list=PLMVN4aIogaEw&index=17
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Finally found my next boss.
It's a duo
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>>750908910
the water temple or whatever it is will play in my nightmares
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luv luv LUV me iron fist charged attack
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>>750908780
ah I see, can't hurt taking another run around it I suppose
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tranny game
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>>750908851
I was aware of xray but the other stuff is nice.
I guess I'll just keep killing things and looking for skulls, ideally I get some of those things before I burn out to help the process.
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>>750909054
>selaco
>silksong
>inscryption
>lunacid
>this
why do trannies make such good games and where are all the chud games at
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Are the treasure safe to sell?
I have like 20 between statuettes and crowns
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>>750909226
just you wait the day of gamening will come and the chuds shall inherit the earth
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>>750909008
Holy shit, that was nothing.
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>>750909226
Divine Frequency is a chud game, dev uses his youtube channel to shitpost on comment section of videos
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>>750909367
yes I hope so, sold everything
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>>750909018
it had such fucking potential to be pso tier kino and then they fucking had to ruin it by shitty additions to the melody making it absolute DOGSHIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha48HU-QKiY what the fuck were they thinking from 0:40 onwards
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>>750909367
Ye. That's why they get their own menu slot.
Key items are kept away from treasures. Treasures are just delayed money gain.
Most of them get displayed around the shop for you to admire.
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>>750908910
You mean the best offenders in System Shock. In this house we respect Med Sci.
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Where the fuck is the Ancient teleporter? I'm already on the big boob lady but haven't find a way to return to the surface.
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>>750909637
Trannies can make good games but they cannot make good music
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>>750909685
1 not 2
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last one needed
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>>750904986
>turn based
Hhmmm. Wishlisted, but not bought until it comes out of EA.
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>>750908910
Agree, the game lacks an actual amazing OST, just like Verho lacked, besides that is 10/10 on any other part.

Lunacid had a decent to good OST but the game was safe compared to Queen's Domain.
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>>750909763
Oh. Yeah SS1's music fucking blows.
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>>750909637
>what the fuck were they thinking from 0:40 onwards
I think they just weren't very musically inclined, it sounds very novice
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>>750905935
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I'm lost for the first time in the Mausoleum: I've just picked up the Mask of second sight and the Knights expedition chest key (opened the chest in the mausoleum and the one in the starting area). Activated the warp gate as well.
Now I hate really no idea where I'm supposed to go. I assume the Mausoleum isn't even over since there was no boss fight.
Man am I fucking lost.
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>>750909840
gargoyle with a monocle near tower of knownledge teleporter
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>>750909947
Put the mask on
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>>750909698
close to the scientist guy
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>>750909856
Lunacid also just had a bunch of guest composers instead of keeping it all inhouse, which probably would've been much better for a game this gigantic.

>>750909947
You got the lens from the chick? Go break 6 seals with the mask. Also never take the mask off ever, it reveals hidden doors.
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My WHAT? I read the book and searched the beaches I've seen but I have no idea where it is, any tips?
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oh hell no
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>>750910008
>>750910062
I've got the mask, but what seals are you talking about?
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>>750910141
it's literally on the wall
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>>750910192
you gotta go through the area AFTER the one with the red water and the moving pillars with the mask on
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>>750909876
You are not human if you hate on SS1's soundtrack.

But I forget that this board is full of nothing but brown zoomers nowadays.
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>>750910171
Jerking off with the training bangle on to level my dick up and getting sad that it doesn't evolve once maxed.
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>>750901986
Half of my playtime is spent holding down left click, why the fuck does fully charging a swing take like 15 seconds, am I not supposed to do that?
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>>750910246
Oh, okay. Thanks. Confusing area, really.
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>>750910317
It's completely fucked up ingame with the procedural effects.
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>>750910327
You hold it down as the stamina bar is charging and it charges at the same pace.
I wouldn't bother charging with a full bar already, just bop the dude and charge on the next swing.
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>>750910415
Yes, idiot. Because you are running the game on modern hardware that cannot produce dynamic Midi tracks.

To actually play that game how it was supposed to sound you have to use a soundblaster/gravis ultrasound emulator. The Soundtrack in that game blows SS2's out of the fucking water. But I doubt you zoomer faggots in this thread would know anything about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kIkc9qrTu4
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What does this actually do? I got 2 of 'em, but don't wanna use them.
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>>750910141
start of the game beach
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okay smart-ass, let's see you take a crack at it
I have 5 books if it's important
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>>750910703
refills your weapons special
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>>750910581
Don't bother with these people, anon. All of the real niggas have left this shithole board years ago at this point. Just nothing but zoomershit's with the absolute worst tastes imaginable.
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>>750910836
Oh, that's it?
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Anyone try this game yet?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3645540/HAVKERMAN_X/

It looks schizo core enough for me to want to play it. I really loved post void.
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>>750910941
is that why you're here?
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>>750911070
>cruelty squad ripoff, in both visual style and gameplay
embarrassing
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>>750908590
I will buy a game from a tranny if they don't add tranny shit into their game. Did the dev make a normal game or did they infect it with their mind virus
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I have no idea where to even begin searching for the books that this room needs.
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>>750911070
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>>750911152
>cruetly squad is the only game with this aesthetic and gameplay.

Peak retard detected. Maybe read my post again, but you're clearly struggling to even read between the lines you chimpanzee.
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>>750911170
There are references to contemporary youtubers, does that count
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>>750911264
where?
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>>750911246
>instant spergout
embarrassing
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>>750911152
Okay, I gotta another question then just to rub it in your faggot face some more, since you clearly are too retarded to even know more than one of these games in a genre.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2530250/PARKSIDE_DECAYED_SOUL_MANIPULATION/
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I'm only like 1/3 through but this game is kino. BYE BYE NOW NO SPOILERS FOR ME
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>>750911007
your big storm fuckoff attack refills too, and the throwables
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>>750911264
I am aware of the iron pineapple and if that is the worst thing I have to deal with than that's fine
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>>750910581
yep, sounds like dogshit
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>>750911383
Now that is indeed pretty substantial.
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>>750910716
you need 6 specific books
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>>750911089
I wanted to check out this thread because of the game but then I was aghast at people shit talking the granddad of all Immersive sims and First person PC games in general. Before I realized I'm talking with a bunch of people that are born after 9/11 and thus don't know a fucking thing about anything. Also, this game looks kinda meh to me. Lunacid was shit, and so was Lantern of the laughless saint, and also Dread Delusion. Just shit taste galore in this thread, its embarrassing.
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>>750901986
This game might end up being my GOTY
Meanwhile the cattle is going insane over GTA6
Grim
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>>750911597
> I'm talking with a bunch of people that are born after 9/11
I'm 36 so you are already wrong. Also bold of you to showcase that you are a tasteless burgeroid
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>>750911480
>yep, sounds like dogshit

Massacre and flay every single zoomer alive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_nQF5gEzV4&list=RDb_nQF5gEzV4&start_radio=1
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>>750911597
ss1 isnt an immersive sim
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>>750911597
>instant pearl clutching spergout
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>>750911683
Well I guess I wrong in thinking that just because you are in your late thirties doesn't mean that you can't also have the worse faggot taste imaginable, thanks for correcting me.
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>>750911671
It's easily my GOTY. And it was a pretty good year for me, played some great games. Thought for sure Vholume had it in the bag.
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>>750911737
Yes, it is. Its the game that coined the term, retard. The lead designer of the game coined it himself.
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>>750911686
dogwater noise
time to change your diaper grandpa
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>>750911819
>Its the game that coined the term
it isnt, in the age of LLMs being wrong is a choice
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>>750911819
SS1 is a linear dungeon crawler. There's no alternative ways to solve things.
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Okay, yeah, wow.
Just got to Ancient World.
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>>750911993
I guess by this logic then SS2 is also not considered an Immersive sim. Because that game is also linear with no alternative ways to solve things.
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>>750912030
going from a medieval dungeon to a high tech underworld was pretty sweet.
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what's the hardest boss thus far, /v/? for me, it's the blood sisters
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>>750907802
I think it is just the game loading and unloading areas.
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Call me a retard but I can't figure out how to reach the last seal in the Mausoleum.
There must be a switch or something that I missed :(
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>>750911184
The books are scattered around the whole world.
I know of one that was behind a hidden door on the staircase behind the chef.
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>>750912194
Nah, I skill issued on one of the Ancient World orb puzzles for like 20 minutes straight and walked out to every thing respawned. It's definitely just a timer.
Kind of lame but doesn't really matter.

>>750912209
There's a path in a cave somewhere that leads to it.
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>>750911764
>heh what a bunch of young fags not knowing anything
>nvm it's a bunch of uncs lmao!
you are gay
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>>750912354
Huh, I must really have missed it all this time. Thanks for the hint!
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>>750912361
Yes, because one person came out everyone else in the group is suddenly identical. Kill yourself, retard.
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>>750912209
Go through the garden to the place with the Knight chest.
Drop down.
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>>750912209
You have to take a path from higher up/earlier on in the level.
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>>750911993
Not that anon, but Doug Church did cite that Ultima underworld and SS1 were Immersive Simulation types of games. Although he did say it after the games were released.
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>Get out of the temple place and finally unlock first teleporter thing
>Go through it
>think: huh, i wonder what happens if I walk off it
>go back to save point, return, do just that
>this happens

kino, 10/10, goty
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>just reached ancient world
>still have those underground dungeon areas, verdant hollow and rotting caverns
Was I supposed to have done those already? I'm wondering if I should go back to clean those up or keep going through the ancient world
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>>750912568
A good rule of thumb is to look at the bestiary entries. If there's a gap in the numbers, you may be a bit ahead, but it doesn't matter that much. Also Verdant is worse.
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>>750912568
Verdant Hollow is a fucking nightmare.
You'll find them eventually, don't worry about it. Would save cleanup until you have all the lenses.
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>>750912530
A place only for those daring enough to take the plunge.
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i bought this game yesterday and i've been playing it with my new controller and i think it's really good
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>>750912530
>solve the puzzle
>life ruined
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>>750908590
wew this post should be pinned
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Is kings field the proto-souls slop genre?
Holy shit there are some many Kings field likes now. The only ones I played were Lunacid, dread delusion and the demon king one and I couldn't finish none of them.
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>>750913061
Verho is the only one I've finished so far. This will probably be another
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>>750908590
didn't know trannies were this fucking based. they made some good shit.
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>>750912979
I did it way early because I already knew 2 of the statues and just guessed the other 3 since that's only 9 combinations. I spent ages fighting there since I was not equipped for that
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>>750913106
Nvm, I almost forgot about Fly knight. The very best modern kings field like. Mostly because it doesn't overstay its welcome. https://store.steampowered.com/app/3108510/FlyKnight_Enhanced_Edition/
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>>750912421
uh oh meltie
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>>750910000
thanks bro
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>>750913012
why? You guys are the minority, most people don't give a shit what other people do in their private lives.
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>>750913232
FlyKnight is okay but damn I got tired of the stamina regen riding your ass. Felt like there was no point to using anything but the lightest equipment.
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>the game wants me to 100% shit
Yeah, no. 25h for 90% bestiary and 5/8 mementos will do just fine, I'm watching the last endings on youtube.
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>unironically playing troonslop
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Anyone else excited for airframe ultra coming out in two days?
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>>750912354
>>750912469
>>750912475
Finally found it. That was one tedious dungeon. The lack of visibility didn't help.
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>>750913637
all the autistic game making nerds became trannies. you just gotta cope with it.
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>>750913612
weakling
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>>750913969
It's not my favourite.
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>>750901986
I hate trannys, niggers, faggots, and jews. I also have not had this level of fun since I played dark souls for the 1st time.
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any tips for getting all the skulls and secret doors? I've noticed some of them are unmarked which is pain in the ass, as for the skulls idk, I already did another lap through the map
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So how does weapon exp work? Per hit? Per amount of damage done?
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>ending 1
man, i must have tacked on a good 12 hours trying to find the last lens. I even checked for exactly what the solution was but i think I just turned retarded every time i was supposed to check the one side that mattered. at least the world has finally revealed everything to me, except what the fuck, why are there markers at the tippy top of the tower of knowledge? dont answer, it was rhetorical
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>>750914628
I think it's damage and a hidden multiplier. Tried grinding a weapon on a resistant enemy and it did diddly squit for XP, and also low damage weapons like rapiers or the projectile ones you get later just take forever to level in general.
Throw on the training bangle and hammers level up every 2 enemies.
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>>750908910
It's accurate to King's Field
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7rsHYqG5w
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I really wish I didn't save down here
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I got storm gem and now I'm lost. Feels like I've missed something really obvious.
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>>750915343
Grind up a bit of cash, go buy a Wing fragment, TP out of there.
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>>750915413
You're pretty close to a goal.
Just rotate the staircase.
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>>750915424
I just spent it all on that stupid fucking sword
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>>750915498
I figured as much.
It's cool, but it's not exactly good.
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Every secret I find in this game feels like stumbling onto the three fingers in elden ring. I don't know how they managed to pack it so densely with cool shit.
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>>750915343
don't go into swamp, go across into the stone corridor, open hidden wall, find another hidden wall inside dark area (hug left wall) to reach verdant grove(need to run past dark caverns) after reaching them head right, activate save, go towards the stony bridge with skeletons- on your right will be a teleporter
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>>750914489
you need the mask of second sight with all four lenses
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Where do I go to deliver the Silver Skulls?
Don't have many yet but I want to be able to get my rewards asap.
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>>750915937
that's for way, way later in the game, and you need all 69 of them
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>mfw the second light switch puzzle expecting me to use the slow-to-charge electricity gun
There's a point where it just feels like obnoxious bullshit and this was enough for me. Refunded.
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>>750902227
this just means its made by a nerd who actually plays and likes video games btw
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>>750916035
The what and when?
Cause I saw nothing like that in 2 hours.
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>>750916064
an elementary school tier puzzle 12 hours in
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>>750916064
You get a gun that shoots lightning balls (it does bad damage) and is used to hit energy balls and activate them all at once. It's a light switch puzzle. The first one is very basic. The second one is a tangle-fuck of at least fifteen lights. I've been told there's a third one, so no, fuck off with this game. It had so much good going for it but stonewalling progress with three light switch puzzles using a slow 'gun' is dog shit.
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>>750916013
Somebody earlier said you get shit like X-ray for 30.
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oh fug
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>>750916186
Ah.
I was under the assumption it was something surprisingly early given "Refunded"
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>>750902382
my first was legit traumatizing. I was chilling with a buddy drunk and on drugs while watching the baby and the eyes and nose poking out after you open it freaked all three of us out.
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>>750908910
for me its NIN https://youtu.be/up80FfzySFA
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>>750916241
I liked that fight. Great item you get off it too
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>>750916376
I guess I'll have to come back to it later since they nick me for 60% of my HP and I barely tickle them.
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>>750916437
I just wind bladed around the room while pelting them with poison daggers and torch fire balls. Coward strats can pay off surprisingly well sometimes.
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>>750915910
I'm deep into the late game bro, already did 3 endings, even with all four lenses some hidden doors are still unmarked
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>>750915937
>>750916013
Nevermind, found it.
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>find a literal mecha rocket fist weapon
>never see anyone talk about it
Holy shit this thing fucks. Yeah it costs a chunk of energy to use but damn it one-shots almost anything.
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>>750901986
erm wasn't this vibecoded?
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>>750916931
I have not seen a single claim of that until now lmao.
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>>750902227
whats the GOTY chud game this year?
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>>750916931
Naw bitch, this things got SOVL.
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Holy fuck why does the evolved club level up so fast
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How scandalous.
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>jump above the fence in the forest
>get close to the red pond
I was not ready.
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>>750917259
using healing counts as weapon exp.
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>>750917217
pax autocratica
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This game should have been called Fez Souls
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>>750916931
>>750916976
No one cares if a game’s code was vibe coded . People only care about the art
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>pretty sure i've scoured the world pretty thoroughly
>come here and see a ton of screenshots of rooms i've never seen
How
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>>750918013
>No one cares
erm I do
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>>750917619
>roguelite
kys
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>>750901986
Go woke... go /v/ loves this game.
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>>750918210
what in the game is woke?
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>>750917619
>roguelove
Live
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>>750918260
It has a book that shitposts about gay Jojo fanfiction so it's woke to schizos.
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>>750918260
There's one genderswapped jojo reference in a book that is called queer romance as a joke, and there's one retarded lesbian NPC who wrote journals about how she's trying to win the love of the autistic record keeper in the library tower who didn't give a shit. That's it.
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>>750918354
if you're crying about trooncore and then playing roguelites i have horrible news for you kek
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>>750902552
>>750902907
I was interested until I saw mention of this and that the whole reason it was added was because the dev is obsessed with some streamer, so they added this shit that completely clashes with the rest of the game's atmosphere just to get a chuckle out of some faggot streamer
maybe if it was some small easter egg that you see once it would be tolerable, but it seems it's the main merchant you have to frequent the entire game
even their previous game they released on steam revolves completely around said streamer, so I don't know if I can be arsed to play a game where the dev compromises their core vision for something like that
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>Nolifed all 4 endings
>still have the gamer crave

What the fuck is there even left to play in this genre?
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>>750906819
judging by streams ive seen of the game the average person doesn't even notice the stamina bar
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>>750918449
>if you're crying about trooncore
Who? You ok, schizo?
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Someone can tell me where to find the " II " in the wall where I can use the "cards" to open? I only found the one at the sea temple, rerunning entire mausoleum in search of another
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you know you can separate the arts from the artists right ? that is, if they don't yellow paint their politics into it which seems to be the case with QD. A trans person can still have skills and merit for their work. I don't give a fuck what their personal lives are if something great comes out of it. Its also called -meritocracy-, something this modern world has killed with a slow burn
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>>750911184
There's one hidden in the caves under the tower of knowledge. It's behind iron bars. You'll need to a few levels deeper to get it.
There's another one in a chest close to the sealed door underneath the mausoleum just before the boss arena.
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don't open, pretty late game spoilerish

uhhh what is the third save point in the game? I might've skipped it for whatever reason
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>>750918260
Isn't the dev a man?
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>>750918934
the person we're all responding to >>750917217
follow the conversation anon
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>>750918954
One behind a grave next to the upper save crystal on the main island, one in the library on the upper levels, one in the forgotten dungeon cells behind a fish dude, one in the lower levels of the mausoleum (I think in the red water area past the spider cave), one in upper verdant hollow. That's all I've found so far.
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Started the game and I already hate the first area of the game. I'm absolutely fucking livid by the amount of progress I lost due to the bullshit the game throws at the me right from the start.
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>>750919167
could have saved
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>>750918794
There's verho and lunacid who kinda hit the same spot for me.
Also arx fatalis, you might need a fan patch tho since it's an older game.
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>>750919068
You're crying about imaginary people crying about trooncore while also crying about roguelites. Methinks the lady doth protest too much
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>>750919167
You can run back and save without respawning enemies if you need to. Just don't rest.
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>>750919127
thanks, forgot about the one at the graveyard and now looking for the one at library.
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>>750919127
There's in at the building on the cliff where you first enter the Ancient world
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>>750906443
Hollow Knight : Metroidvanias :: Queen's Domain : Dungeon Crawlers
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>>750901986
This game looks interesting but all the retarded looking overdesigned weapons are putting me off. Can it be enjoyed using more plain swords, axes and maces?
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>>750919719
like i give a shit dude. figure it out yourself
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>>750919719
Yeah. All the regular weapons are pretty good.
You've got to use the Big Fancy Blueish Sword to fly but it's utility.
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>>750919719
Yeah. The rusted weapons and a couple of others that evolve get basic versions you can buy in the shop after you evolve them if you'd prefer a regular non-magic weapon.
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>>750919719
there are plain axes/swords/maces but I don't know how viable they are, the weird looking over-designed ones usually have special abilities
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is this the elden ring of king's fieldlikes?
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>>750920049
its the dark souls of lunacid
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>>750918508
That's the worst reason they could've had for what is a terrible addition. Fucking stupid.
>I don't know if I can be arsed to play a game where the dev compromises their core vision for something like that
I think the devs deserve a slap over the head for the unfunny shit but I think the game outshines that in pure map design. And also the worldbuilding is so lackluster that it's not like it's ruining something that was good, the story is already kind of a joke.

A fantastic megadungeon and skeleton fighting simulator even if it does have the story sensibilities of like a Fallout mod.

>>750919914
>I don't know how viable they are
You need one of each damage type but otherwise everything is kind of equally good, some exceptions, things mostly scale off your Attack Power. Switched to the Rusted Sword lategame just to evolve it and it was still doing fine.
I think most of the reason you see the dumbass weapons in screenshots is just that you don't want the Weapon XP to go to waste.
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If you like this, how come none of you played King's Field? Or Ultima Underground?
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>>750920137
king's field isn't available on pc and I can't be fucked to emulate it
I did play ultima underWORLD**
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>>750920137
Those aren't the current thing, unc. I don't play games unless I they're hot on discord or reddit.
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>>750920137
I have played all of those. And anything remotely similar like Arx Fatalis.
There are few joys in life like exploring a dungeon and fucking up a skeleton with a sword or perhaps a mace.
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>>750920137
I emulated all the king's field and shadow tower games years ago.
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>>750920221
>underWORLD
Shit. Got me there. Sometimes I can't spell.
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I'm in the mausoleum area and I think I might drop the game now. I did like it but I'm getting bored of it now
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>>750909910
I have all of these but I'm still missing one of the god books for the sin spire puzzle and whatever book goes on the right side of the top floor of the tower.
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does this game remind anyone else of Northern Journey?
I wish it had the sling
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until I see the devs say "no we didn't use AI" I don't buy any new indie game.
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Wait so its set in the future not in knights and wizards times?
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>>750920358
Little bit.
If it had Northern Journey complete freak NPCs the dumbass writing might have worked.

>>750920420
Just does the "ancient civilization has advanced technology" thing you see in like 80% of fantasy IPs.
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I made it out of the rotten lake
FUCK the dual axe guys
FUCK occultist manticores
and FUCK whales
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>>750916376
>their drop + health regen necklace
I've been borderline immortal for a while now
I don't even know how many heals I'm sitting on but I'm pretty sure I can easily facetank everything
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>>750920384
Kill yourself cuck faggot
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>suddenly the game gives you a gun and fucking grenades
What is going on...
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>>750919006
What the fuck is this, I've gotten ending 2 and haven't seen this
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>>750915687
Where the fuck is this?
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>>750918439
actually when you finish her quest and she dies she'll mention that she'll look for that npc in the afterlife :)
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>>750920814
Bro, your silver skulls?
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>end up in petrified garden
>enemies take a billion hits
>go down the well
>enemies take a billion hits
fine, I'll go to the stupid tower after I go through the water temple again to try and find the third trident head
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>>750902039
Maxed out pandoa blade only does 15 damage. It's really not worth the time
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>>750919297
I've already played these.
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>>750919006
where do you access this?
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>>750921010
do you want an answer for that spoiler? Its probably not where you expect.
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>>750921010
Just stick to the obvious progression route, any optional areas underlevelled are pretty fucking painful.
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>>750920654
Holy jeet
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>>750920137
They don't get daily shill threads by the Developers on /v/.
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>>750921010
The third trident key is kind of mean

Look at the description of the trident you picked up
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>>750921065
nah, I'm good. I love exploring a little too much.
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>>750921118
There's been King's Field threads.
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>Go back to the statue room in the mausoleum where the girl was and use the mirror
>She shows up as a ghost and tells you to follow her through the ceiling and she has a gift for you
>Come back much later and go through the ceiling
>There's just an enemy and a few consumables and that's it
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>>750920846
There's a cave area with a big blue opening below the Tower of knowledge. It's where the cave sytem(bats) intersects with the underground prison(skeletons). I had to do some sketchy platforming to get into there. The azure flame instantly kills you if you fall, so if you slip, immediately open the menu and TP out.
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>>750916186
The third one is easy too. It's just that second one that is designed to waste my fucking time
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>>750920846
If you know where the forgotten dungeon is, there's a little area there where you can see a red river. If you look up there's a little portion of the wall where you can see a stone altar. You can get up to it with some caestus fuckery and you'll see an altar you can put items on and that soul river with the four god statues. There's a door in the back of that room which is the actual way in I assume, but I have no idea how to open it or where the other side opens up.
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I'm gonna be really sad when the azure torch stops keeping up with enemies, being able to poke and run while enemies burn is too fucking useful
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>>750921587
good news, it's third best weapon in the game
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>>750921587
Nothing gets scaled out of the pool. You are the pool.
With the exception of the Rusty weapons but you get decent versions of those in the shop.
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>>750921659
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>>750921724
bro... rusty and wood weapons evolve when they reach 10... you didn't cuck yourself out of healing club?....
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>>750921926
When they evolve you get decent versions of the originals in the shop.
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>>750920721
wait until you get the actual gun
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Does the cestus get anything at level 10?
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>>750919006
Shopkeeper's island
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>>750921982
Most weapons don't I'm afraid.
Not that every weapon needed to have an evolution, but something would've been cool. Extra zazz on the charge punch or something.
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>>750921926
Learn 2 read
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Anons mentioned lifesteal weapons and boy am I a sucker for a lifesteal builds. When can you get the first one?
t. just unlocked the mausoleum, being terminally employed sucks
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>>750921957
you don't get them in the shop though?... they are special weapons with abilities?... you wouldn't just talk shit without remorse, right?...
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>>750922071
When you evolve a rusty weapon, a normal non-rusty version of the original weapon shows up in the shop, saar.
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>>750922069
you're pretty close anon
another one is a shop unlockable
you can eventually get a vampirism necklace that heals from all damage inflicted
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tranny coded forces soul
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>>750922119
but... they're dogshit?...
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>>750918794
The entire sub-genre of Minecraft "CTM" maps.
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>>750922069
In the lower part of the mausoleum past the spider cave and at the bottom of the crimson river area there's a lifesteal hammer that also has an SotN dark metamorphosis style lifesteal spell on it.
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That's fucking weird, I was here before when I got the skull detector and it showed one inside the wall here that I couldn't reach, but now that I have the means to reach it it's no longer there and the hole just results in a short dead end.
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>>750922160
>>750922386
Neat! Looking forward to it!
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>>750922539
Sometimes you'll see shit in other zones when using that.
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its more metroid prime than kings field isnt it
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>>750922039
is there a way to get to shopkeep island with 5 wind gems? i read someone say you could do it from the top of the mausoleum, but i'm not sure how to get up there
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first try holy shit i am so fucking good at this game bros
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>>750902859
I tried hitting every rock on that plateau multiple times and nothing happened.
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>>750923360
you jump out the top window above the door and to the left is a path you can land on. to get to the shopkeeper island you need to spam the rusty sword dash aafter you used up your wind charges.
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>>750922039
that was it, thanks, I think I didn't interact with it back when I found it out of fear of being trapped there haha
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>>750919127
Can't find the one at Mausoleum, where it is exactly?
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>>750924067
I'm trying to remember where I saw it. It might've been near those doors with the golden egg symbol on them.
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Where's the bell in STD lake??
That note clearly implies there's a secret but I've never seen the bell it mentions.
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Are all of the lost pirates outside the temple itself? I found two of them outside and I want to quit wandering around down here.
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>>750924532
You talking about the one for the whore? It's on the upper center area. If you look up on one of the cliffsides you can see a door and slightly next to it is the bell
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>>750924624
There's two outside of the water temple and two on the main island.
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>>750924067
here
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missing one throwing weapon for completion, does anyone know what/where is it?

I have:
Throwing Dagger
Chakram
Piercing Needle
Solid Stone Block
Wodaso’s Power Cube
Throwing Axe
Spiked Ball
Royal Throwing Dagger
Occult Knife
Vampiric Blade
Poisoned Dirk
Paralytic Needle
Epha Dagger
Mystical Nut of the White Tree
Bone Blade
Okbujo's Gaze
High Performance Blade
Grenade
Plasma Knife
Mr Quackers
Ring of Wind
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>>750924904
>and two on the main island.
I only just found one of those guys (the guy with the gravestone switch) and I'm up to the final area on the game. Where the hell is the other?
And speaking of gravestones, what gives with the lightning god's sigil on gravestones I've seen around the place? Haven't found anywhere that tracks your completion of them or anything.
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>>750925132
On a ledge right above the starting beach.
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>>750901986
how similar is this to actual king's field? is it actually a fieldlike or just first person fantasy inspired by youtube videos?
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>Oh i must be pretty close to the end
>Looks up challenges
>Literally only halfway done with all quests
I need a break
I don't even care that i'll forget stuff
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>>750925193
The latter. It has some King's Field energy, but it falls short in numerous regards.
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Any missable items or am I free to fuck around without worrying that I missed the secret moonlight twig because I killed a hostile tree?
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>>750925316
I only played maybe 1/3 of the game but everything seemed highly non-missable.
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>>750901986
Are there any plans for postlaunch content?
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How the heck do you get this? And also how do you reach the very top of the Tower of Knowledge? I can see there's a chest and skull up there but I don't see any way up.
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>>750925091
fuck, nevermind, it's not even in the game yet somehow
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>>750925316
Fuck around all ya want my dude.
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>>750925394
Turn in more skulls.
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I'm nearly 100% and I still don't know how to open this door from the other side, this is in the library near the teleporter and statue with the two outside places you can drop down to, I thought it connected with that grated area with the book skeleton lady but not such luck after spamming E on the wall on the other side, maybe it's one level lower? idk I just can't seem to make sense of it and I've pretty much looked everywhere at this point, I'm probably missing something very obvious



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