My ADHD zoomie, it was explained.

It's completely explained.
>why does she want the relic
She doesn't, the Voodoo Boys do.
>why do they want it?
Because they are trying to contact Alt beyond the Blackwall. The Silverhand engram is the best way to do so, and they're proven right.
>inb4 "but why does she want to betray the voodoo boys and take the relic herself"
She doesn't want the relic, Netwatch do-in order to get an advantage over Arasaka and to fuck over the Voodoo Boys, who are fucking retarded.

it's funny as fuck that some retard tried to portray the VDB as heckin wholesome defenders of the poor marginalised creole community in Pacifica. The canon 2077 VDB are genuine tweaking brainlets just poking the blackwall with their dicks without rhyme or reason on the off chance rogue AIs don't instantly fry them all when it falls.

I'm trying to clear the base story but it is becoming increasingly difficulty to give a shit about any of these characters. I only like the protagonist and silverhand. I don't give a fuck about Panam. I don't give a single shit about Judy. Or Goro. Or Evelyn.

>>750905254
The voodoo boys wanted it she was going to sell it to them.

>>750905385
>I only like the protagonist and silverhand.
The closer you get to the end, the more it becomes about you two. The friends are mostly to unlock endings/do romances.

What stage of the story are you at?

>>750905646
helped panam get her car back and emp'd the transport. talked to the guy in it with takemura. now plotting some parade thing to talk to hanako with takemura while looking for evelyn with judy

>>750905768
You're pretty early on. The main story of Cyberpunk takes place in quite a short time (a few weeks/couple months) so it's intended to feel like you're doing a lot all over. The worst bits of the main story are pre-heist and pre-parade.

The Parade mission is very cool, and includes a pretty fun fight (provided you're playing on something above normal). The Evelyn questline is also good. I do like the characters you've mentioned but I likewise didn't give much of a shit until their questlines opened up and involved me more than "hello, come and meet all these people you don't give a fuck about." The main quest takes off quite quickly once you pass a certain point, and then you're suddenly at the point of no return-so don't be afraid to do side stuff. If you have the DLC, the best time to start it (to keep the plot momentum) is basically immediately after it becomes available. Opens up the new area+will add stuff to your open world (like car stealing missions, etc).

>>750905254
Everyone wanted the engram to contact Alt because she's some sort of digital Lilith. Evelyn basically double crossed almost everyone involved and ended up getting fried by the VDB.

>>750905379
The game also gaslights you into thinking Evelyn was some gigabrained genius who outsmarted everyone when in reality she was a dumb whore that thought she could outsmart the VDBs and got cooked remotely for it.

>VDB are heckin wholesome
I love how much all of the Dogtown haitians shit talk the VDB, especially Slider.

The only thing in the story I never really understood is why Yorinobu had the Relic with Silverhand's engram on it to begin with. I think he was planning to sell it to Netwatch, but IDK why they'd want it since it's not like Netwatch was going to try to broker a deal with Alt like the VDBs wanted to.

>>750905379
>on the off chance rogue AIs don't instantly fry them all when it falls.
I always find this outcome so fucking funny.
Just I dont get to destroy them all myself after.
Even siding with the glowies is better than siding with the VDBs and you never see them after anyway.

>>750906031
what would you say is the best romance? I have a mod that lets me romance anyone as male v

>>750905385
>Goro
Takamura is a cool guy though. i dont care about his plight but he was pretty cool as a person and he keeps his word

>>750906031
I didn't read your post in its entirety because I don't want to spoil myself but fine I'll push myself to clear it. All these errands, looking around for people are just really tiring me out. I did some side mission with a dude who wanted to be crucified or something and shit was exhausting.

>>750905254
The VDB's paid her to get a braindance of Yorinobu's suite, nothing else. She found out about the tech he'd stolen since she was fucking him, and brought it up unprompted to them and got shut down. She assumed she could steal it, and sell it to "someone" and get enough eddies to leave Night City. She didn't have a buyer in mind, she didn't know what was on it, she didn't know what the VDB's wanted it for, she had no idea what her next steps would be. She thought she could wash her hands of it when the heist went tits up and go back to life as normal like nothing happened.

>>750906031
>If you have the DLC, the best time to start it (to keep the plot momentum) is basically immediately after it becomes available
Which is straight after the vodoo boys.
It is best to start it straight away as you have to wait days in between the DLC quests to get shit moving, which is where you can be doing the base game side quests.

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>>750906075
>The game also gaslights you into thinking Evelyn was some gigabrained genius who outsmarted everyone
Yeah, it's pretty dumb. It's even funnier because basically everyone other than Jackie is constantly saying "you're working with Dexter Deshawn? That fat retard?" There are one billion signs that the heist will be a fucking disaster from the start.
>why Yorinobu had the Relic with Silverhand's engram on it to begin with.
Yorinobu is the secret good guy of the plot. He hates Arasaka, and hates his dad. He hasn't really "ended" his meme rebellion against Arasaka and instead wants to use the relic and Alt to bring it all crashing down; the game tricks you into thinking Hanako is the underdog good-guy of Arasaka when in reality siding with her is basically fighting to keep Saburo in control.
>>750906101
Panam by far is the best romance. Judy's is also great because of one mission in it which is absolutely oozing with soul, but the rest of her questline is very grim. Panam's is definitely the best overall. The real answer is the cut content Stout romance.
>>750906175
That side mission does blow, but if you play it again you CAN just shoot him and get paid+move on, kek. I would highly recommend pushing through, the story and characters are good-but the pacing in the first Act is weird as fuck.

>>750906075
The engram of the story is an in-house only prototype used to reincarnate yourself basically, as far as I understood they were still testing it and Silverhand was used as guinea pig due to some sort of sentimentality from Saburo remembering the good ol' days. Yorinobu steals that shit to sell the tech to rival corps and fuck over his dad.

>>750905254
She didn't know anything too, but she knew that messing everything gives her a slim chance to survive

>>750906410
>Yorinobu is the secret good guy
He's a petulant retard who hates his dad, but he does get points for wanting to bring down Arasaka. He reminds me of Johnny in a way, since both are self aggrandizing losers that never really accomplish anything.
>Yorinobu wants to use the Relic to contact Alt via Silverhand's engram
Where is that discussed in the game? I only ever remember some emails you can read (as Evelyn during the braindance) in the Konpeki suite about Yorinobu wanting to sell the Relic to Netwatch.
>the real answer is the cut Stout romance
My brother, you have superb taste.

>>750906575
The Relic product exists in the world because there are in universe advertisements for it everywhere. The one that Yorinobu stole was a prototype. Silverhand's engram was just one of millions Soulkiller took with the others being in Mikoshi, so there was nothing unique about it that would require it to be on the prototype.

>>750905379
Wait what? Who's trying to portray the people that attack you without provocation instead of letting you explain yourself?

>>750905254

She was only in it for the money so she could leave the city in wealth. Voodoo Boys used her because they know Johnny had a personal connection to Alt.

>>750906678
>He's a petulant retard who hates his dad
For sure.
>Where is that discussed in the game?
Apologies I misspoke, I meant to say he wanted to use the theft of the relic to bring Arasaka down, not by contacting Alt; only the VBD want to use it explicitly for that. The game uses le unreliable narrative to suggest Arasaka deliberately used it on Johnny but in reality it was Spider. But his motivation for taking it is very explicitly to fuck over Arasaka.
>>750906764
iirc some journos writing about the lore shortly after the game launched portrayed them that way, despite it not at all being the case in lore.

The original VDB (who the 2077 guys are named after, but unrelated to) were a bunch of larping white college kids.

>>750906075
>why Yorinobu
Because he was a rockerboy wannabe when he did that whole Steel Dragons shit. Tiger don't change its stripes.

It's explained.
Vodoo boys want the engram for blackwall shit.
They hire a convenient whore who neponaga is banging.
Whore decides she can do better and snatch the relic herself.
Gets in touch with the fat nigga, he gets in touch with you..

>>750906410
so what's the WORST romance

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>>750905254
>voiced one of my favorite characters in another game
>fucks off after the tutorial
Fuck you CDPR

>>750907130
River. It's boring, slow, and you get to be The Better Woman by being a surrogate mother figure to the bastard kids running around his trailer park. Thank god you can get that retard killed during the serial killer quest.

>>750907130
Kerry and River I guess. I didn't do either.

>>750906410
>Yeah, it's pretty dumb.
I dunno I think it works, Jackie and V are so eager to make a name for themselves they ignore all the red flags on the job, and are punished for it. Evelyn convinces them she has control over the situation by acting cool and professional during the short time you have with her, but it turns out her life was just as much of a mess if not more than yours. if the job was super legit it wouldn't be handed out to some no name mercs, it would've been handed off to professionals. that's the tragedy of the whole thing, I think. two naive merc are manipulated into an extremely dangerous job that in the end will cost both of them their lives.

>>750907146
Saya/Diva is Miss Wallgreens's best performance.

>>750907227
Worst part about this game was
>oh you don't wana kill yourself? Too bad

>>750905254
It’s literally explained bro.

What's the status of communism as an ideology in 2077?

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>>750906678
The one advertised is to just talk with engrams. Regarding what I said about Silverhand, I misremembered the diary of Saburo. I don't think there's a stated reason of why Johnny in particular is inside the engram, the only real possibilities as I see it are:

>Yorinobu wants to resurrect the one guy that nuked Arasaka to further nuke Arasaka
>Yorinobu was in contact with Netwatch to sell the tech to a rival corpo and destroy his family's legacy, Netwatch specifically ask for Silverhand to be uploaded into it because they are desperate about the blackwall's collapse and the total and absolute end of the world by rogue AIs. VDB caught wind of this and tried instead to steal the engram for themselves and secure Alt's protection in the apocalypse

>>750907341
Soviets are building weaponry for Arasaka on the cheap under the table. They produce meme guns and big trucks. China is owned by a corp just like everyone else.
That's it.

>>750907341
relegated to the USSR I think

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>>750907130
I rank the romances thus (very light mostly mechanical spoilers):
>Panam
Peak. Really good; probably the most thematically consistent with the story 2077 is trying to tell.
>Judy
Also really good, but kind of limited because Judy does not play as prominent a role in the main story/any endings. But the "we are now a couple" quest with her is probably one of my favourites in the game.
>Kerry
Good, but kinda clunky. It's really interesting and cool that it ties back to Johnny's history+has some cool moments, but it's also very late game and not as soulful as the others.
>River
The worst, by far. Part of the problem is that River and Goro were originally meant to be one character as part of an expanded Arasaka path (like Meredith Stout and a rumoured Militech Path) but instead they got split. Originally Goro didn't exist and River was a loyal Arasaka Goon who you'd have done the buddy-cop quest with. His romance sucks ass and has probably one of the worst missions in the game.

>>750907341
Still exists, in this timeline the USA fell instead of the USSR.

2077 ends basically right as another major corporate war is about to start, with the restored USA (NUSA under President Myers) is about to try and take Night City+fully reunify the former United States.

>>750905254
>why would some random whore want an engram with johnny silverhand?
she was hired by Mama Brigitte from the voodoo boys to get it.
They want to use the johnny engram to contact Alt Cunningham because she became some kind of AI machine god.

>>750907392
Johnny didn't nuke Arasaka though, it was Morgan Blackhand, right? Johnny is just a loser who imagines himself doing that when in reality Adam Smaher just merk'd Johnny somewhere else. I think Alt even tells you straight up that Johnny's memories are totally unreliable.
>Netwatch asked Yorinobu to put Silverhand's engram on the Relic because they want to try the same deal with Alt that the VDBs are
I could partially believe that, but it's not really mentioned anywhere and none of the Netwatch agents you find in the game or PL ever hint at it. Even doing internet research and debasing myself by going to leddit only comes up with "Nobody knows, it's probably a plot hole and just an excuse to get Johnny/Keanu in your head ASAP".

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>>750906575
>>750906990
in Polish language NetWatch asked Yorinobu to have Johnny engram on it. It was already plan for VDB to steal it to try to contact Alt so they can kill her

>>750907704
>Johnny didn't nuke Arasaka though, it was Morgan Blackhand, right?
Yes, Johnny's team were intended to tie up Arasaka away from Blackhand.
>Johnny is just a loser who imagines himself doing that when in reality Adam Smaher just merk'd Johnny somewhere else.
I do think people jump the shark slightly; Johnny is an egomaniac but he was still absolutely and rightfully considered an NC Legend. He was hugely influential in the Rockerboy movement and a very competent fighter. He did indeed get cut in half by Smasher though.
>>750907704
iirc the canon lore is that Arasaka didn't put Johnny on the engram, Spider Murphy did. Arasaka just held onto it because now that it had been used, they wanted to study it. Maybe there's a suggestion they too hoped to use it to get to Alt, but it isn't stated.

>>750907392
>can't romance Rita

I'm still mad.

>>750907938
Johnny was a rockerboy star, yeah, but he's not this legendary Solo badass he pretends to be. I like that, though. The self aggrandizing unreliable narrator you can be a bro with, and the secret ending is the best one.
>canon lore
Spider (who is based) somehow finding out about Yorinobu's deal and putting Johnny on the relic to spite Arasaka would be a great coincidence. My headcanon for a while is that the prototype Relic was going to be used like it was in the Arasaka/Devil ending where Saburo takes Yorinobu's body to reincarnate himself, and Yorinobu found out and put Johnny's engram on there so it would be Johnny who came back to life, not Saburo.

>Lots of hot women in the game
>Can only romance the stinky ethnically ambiguous nomad
Why?

>>750905254
To make it into a buttplug

>>750907984
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/9191?tab=files&file_id=54349

>>750907704
Those memories are based on an adventure module for the tabletop with multiple paths and endings. Johnny does get killed by Smasher in all of them, though most of them he does it as an afterthought, on his way to fight Blackhand who he sees as his actual rival. The funniest one is Johnny opening up on him with an smug, Smasher having an is this nigga serious moment, cutting him in half with his fullnauto shotgun, then going back to looking for Blackhand without a second thought.

>>750908148
Because her massive ass makes me happy

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>>750908148
panam is cute fuck you

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>>750905254
I know this is not a popular opinion here but I really wish we could have saved her.
Even on a game design level, not letting the player decide how to deal with her after all the bullshit she caused seems like a big cop out from CDPR, its an rpg.

>>750908268
You do save her but she still fucks off afterwards without talking to you.

>>750908268
it's okay, they put another manipulative lying whore that promises you to change your life but you can actually save her!

>>750908265
She’s cuter than Evelyn and Judy I’ll give you that.

>>750908148
unfinished feature-crept over-ambitious dumpster fire of a game, that's why

>>750908268
>I really wish we could have saved her.
Sadly anon on a second playthrough you will notice that the game is EXTREMELY heavy-handed with the "every single one of you is in way over your heads" narrative.

The sole reason V is not also dead is because of the relic. Plus what happens to Evelyn post-heist is indeed horrifically dark, I think people maybe misunderstand just how utterly (and literally) skullfucked she is by the time you get her back to Judy's. Absolutely everything was riding on the heist, and you+evelyn+jackie were basically retards for thinking it'd work.

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>>750908268
There's not much agency in this game at all, it's healthier for your sanity if you just consider it a pretty far cry clone

>>750908398
i dont understand why we're supposed to think she's so traumatized.

so the BD freaks buy her body from Fingers and have sex with her and that's supposed to be so bad that she can't live anymore?

Nigga she's a prostitute she already has sex with half the city.

>>750908439
>not much agency
Retardbro, have you played the game? Plenty of quests fork in different ways, including fucking them up so bad you fail them (and entire questlines) completely.

>>750907146
>obligatory autistic screeching about Legends
Geary was the best. My main was a Templar and if not for a Dame Julia, I would die out of boredom.

>>750906410
I missed the dildo weapon after the romance scene
can I still return to the motel and get it

>>750908475
>Raped by Woodman
>Raped by Fingers
>Raped and forced to make fetish BDs by scavs
>All while she’s conscious the entire time but can’t move/act
Pretty sure anyone would kill themselves after that.

>>750908342
Eh
It's different
You might argue Evelynn would, eventually, steal the chip (which you agreed to steal), but Songbird straight up kills people, her plan involves hurting others.
I feel more pity for Evelynn
>>750908318
Am I crazy? Doesn't she kill herself?
I distinctly remember her body.
>>750908475
She's been beaten, left with broken parts, gagged, tied to a tech that literally fries her brain, and used to produce EXTREME stuff, not just sex. Beatings and torture of all kinds are on the table.
That said I agree there was no reason to have the character just insta kill herself before the game even let us speak to her. You can have her kill herself later, at least let the player interact with a character who started the fucking plot.

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>>750908492
That's illusion of choice, not agency. Basically the equivalent of doing or not doing a quest, whatever you do you will always be "V" a solo merc with a preset personality and goals.

>>750908475
Woodman raped her for several days while she still had damaged chip inside her head, then Fingers molested her while "fixing it", then scavs recorded snuff films with her for several days before you get her.
>Nigga she's a prostitute she already has sex with half the city.
you forgot that dollchip wipes memories after session, so at most she'd remember Yorinobu

>>750908475
Did you miss her stumbling out of clouds like she'd just had a massive stroke? Because that's basically what the VDBs did to her, she not in he right mind when those scavs got her. Her suicide was her managing to pull enough of her old self together long enough to realize what kind of life was ahead of her, and deciding death was the better option. She was not herself, and was never going to be again, can't unscramble those eggs.

>>750908439
This is also true.

There are a million and one tiny choices in the game, but almost none have any real branching relevance beyond
>if you do this characters questline, you get an ending unlock
>>750908475
>i dont understand why we're supposed to think she's so traumati
This what happens to Evelyn in the aftermath of the heist.

>Instantly depressed and paranoid as it all falls apart, returns to work at Clouds (which she hates)
>While at Clouds, Voodoo Boys attempt to nuke her brain for fucking them over (you see this in the Clouds hologram)
>With her brain fried, Woodman rapes her multiple times then sends her to Fingers who messes with her but can't fix her
>Fingers then gets the Tyger Claws to come and sell her to Scavs
>Scavs spend several days using her for basically pseudo-snuff porn over and over and over and over again, with both physical and sexual assault
There is very obviously a big difference between shitty but liveable work in a luxury place like Clouds and being chained to a bed and raped over and over again while all your Cyberware falls apart inside you.
>>750908595
iirc all iconic weapons can be bought from that vendor in Dogtown if you have done quests were you encounter them but don't pick them up.

>>750907506
>Part of the problem is that River and Goro were originally meant to be one character as part of an expanded Arasaka path
Damn. They should have made Goro romanceable and delete River. Goro owes V sex.

>>750908708
It's not an illusion, it's actual choice. CP2077 is a role playing game and you're playing the role of V and can decide a lot of what happens, just like with Geralt in Witcher 3. No shit you'll always be 'V' because that's the main character.

>>750908772
I think the only ones he doesn't sell are the ones you get from the scanner hustles, you know, that stuff that actually shows up in your apartment armory.

>>750908825
Goro definitely feels like he was romanceable at one point, because femV can flirt with him. This is especially obvious if you choose to do the extended surveillance of the Arasaka base with him as part of the parade prep.

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I can always tell when people get filtered by Cyberpunk based on how they react to what Panam does if you take that one PL ending.

Remember that the events of 2077 take place over the course of at maximum a few weeks.

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>>750908928
Yup, I agree. But it's why Goro stays weirdly relevant despite also being kind of cut off from the rest of the story. Originally it was supposed to be:
>River drags you from the dump in the prologue
>He's a fiercely loyal Arasaka goon, now forced out of the organisation due to what happened
>This is why he can't "officially" investigate what happens with his nephew
>You can save him in that one building
>He is in the Devil ending

Goro looks cool as fuck in that one ending though (picrel)

>>750908691
>It's different
it's different in execution and stakes but baseline is same
>woman who is abuse victim
check
>tries to escape her shitty life
check
>made too many enemies and her life is on a clock
check
>too afraid to trust V so uses manipulation and promise of eddies/cure to string V along
check

>>750908683
She's also wanted at the very least dead by two of the most dangerous hacker organizations on the planet and the most powerful megacorporation and she actively fucked over and betrayed one of them so they might also want her tortured to death. She got almost everyone killed with her retarded heist plan and for all she knows V might be of a mind to take revenge on her himself once she comes back to her senses. Also every one of her prostitute friends and Judy might also get themselves killed or worse sticking their necks out for her.

>>750909027
is there a route where you do not side with arasaka but he's still buds with V
i hate arasaka but still like Goro

>>750909187
There's no outcome where he's friendly with V unless you do the Arasaka ending, because Hanako dies in any non-Arasaka ending, which Goro blames V for. This is why it's easier to just let Goro get killed during the apartment raid if you aren't going for the Devil ending.

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>>750909187
No. The one I posted (The Tower) is the closest as he is no longer with Arasaka and sees V as a catalyst for getting him out of there. Any ending other than the Devil has him hostile to V, sadly.

>>750909050
I wish there was an actual outcome of telling Dex in that meeting in the Afterlife that Evelyn tried to cut him out. Nothing really comes of it.

>>750909027
damn, Goro and Reed are literally the same character just different masters

>>750909103
thats an average day in night city. nothing to cry about

>>750905379
vdbs are the least likeable of the gangs. you could be black, even of Haitian descent, they would still treat you like a rag if you aren't from the old country.

>>750909459
She's not some bad ass borged out street ninja though, she's a fucking whore and not much more.

>>750909305
Basically everything pre-heist is meaningless. Dex is a retard and is considered a retard by seemingly everyone other than you, T-Bug, and Jackie.

There are one million hints that the heist will go wrong.
>V openly mentioning Fixers dropping merc corpses in a landfill
>Evelyn trying to get you to fuck over Dex with no real reason, Dex not being that disturbed by this
>Vik saying "Dex is not a chill guy"
>Misty telling Jackie "stay away from Red" before you go to the 99% red hotel
>TBug for some reason is surprised that Yorinobu's hotel has Arasaka security measures against hacking
>The fucking car you meet dex in has suicide doors
>In the car with Jackie there is dialogue for V that's basically "this all seems like it's fucked"

>>750909520
>you could be black, even of Haitian descent, they would still treat you like a rag if you aren't from the old country.
you mean they would treat you like a BOMBACLAAAT

>>750909459
>nothing to cry about
if you're solo or netrunner or anyone that can actually do anything about it.
for a prostitute with no money or skills her only option is just to die

>>750909305
yeah, I knew that fat fuck was useless so didn't tell him about deal with Evelyn and let him impose his cut (since I didn't plan to share any money with him). And it doesn't mean shit at all, CDPR played us like damn fiddle

>>750909556
This reminded me of how fucking stupid the "doll combat chip" thing was.
What a shitty fucking quest
>>750909614
To be fair, she doesn't know it but her problems could have already been partially solved depending on V's choices
>vdb fucking dead
>netwatch satisfied
>arasaka only cares about V
>scavs that had her are all dead
Obviously she doesn't know this, but this is why it feels contrived, if she even met Judy when waking up she would be up to speed and know she's actually not really doomed at all. It was a bit forced IMO.

>>750909574
There’s also Dex paying upfront for the Flathead like a retard.

>>750909578
Wrong island, ranyon.

>>750905254
Why would arasaka have an ingram and care so much about it?

Its like the US bothering to invest billions dollars into technology just to preserve Osamas head in a brain jar.

At some point spite can only go so far.

>>750909861
because it's a prototype that proves immortality is possible.

>upload your consciousness to a relic
>stick the relic in some poor loser's brain
>congrats you now have a brand new body
>repeat ad infinitum

>>750909861
>Why would arasaka have an ingram and care so much about it?
The technology is intended to essentially be immortality, and one main use is to allow the Arasaka CEO to live forever. It also allows them to trap people's consciousness for whatever they want to do with them.

>>750909861
Experimental tech
They just wanted to try it on Johnny while they were at it.

>>750909752
oh yeah, forgot second option, sticking with someone like V who would solve all her problems.
And yeah, extremely contrived. If V wakes up few days earlier and she might have survived as scavs wouldn't rape her

>>750909861
In the devil ending you get why they have engram tech. Poor old Yori gets implanted with daddy dearest by Hanako.

>>750910029
>They just wanted to
Saburo says it straight out during the flashback. Dead men don't tell lies. Motherfucker might play hardass in that interrogation room, but he won't with 30 years in their little slice of computer hell.

>>750909861
My understanding is saburo's son got Johnny engram from mikoshi and put it on relic.

Would YOU let Johnny Silverhand take over your body?
I would. I don't really have anything in life. He'd probably make something out of it

>>750910214
That ending is kino except for the fact that Panam is 100% going to shoot him in the head at some stage

>>750910214
I mean original v doesn't even survive in 99 percent of the ending, so why not give it to johnny.

>>750910214
No
Out of spite.
My body, my rules.

>>750909260
O didn't even know staying and fighting was an option, I got the fuck out because the game tells you to get the fuck out.

>>750910253
He just ghosts fucking everyone in that ending.

>>750910175
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>>750910016
I was always under the impression they had more ingrams lying around. Don't they have one of Jackie if you send his body to Vic?

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how different is the game is I play as a chick?

>>750910436
yes.

>>750910443
She says Evelyn Parker instead of Evelyn Porker

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I've already explained
There's correspondence between Netwatch and Yorinobu in his penthouse, they requested Johnny engram on it(in original language)
That's why they are in Pacifica, they wanted Johnny to lead VDB to Alt to fish her out.
Heist was setup by NetWatch and Yorinobu

>>750910436
All engrams are in Mikoshi, relic allows you to upload it into a person

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>>750908872
The only real branching there is in Cyberpunk is the Maelstrom deal because the choice affects how you deal with the quest, everything else except for the ending itself can be summarised into:

-Stealth/pacifist?
-Just shoot people?
-Reject quest?

Maelstrom's quest is the only REAL branching too because there's an actual change to the world state due to your actions like in The Witcher. Sure, Geralt is a preset character( which makes the game a worse RPG, especially for the third installment which pretty much forces you to give two shits about Ciri and Yennefer) but much of his personality can be swayed by the way the player chooses and much of Geralt's interaction with the world serve as a way to illustrate that. Like siding more with humans than monsters, deciding to be neutral or not when it comes to politics, what romance choice you make, etc.

In that way V is much different, he will always be a solo merc, will never be able to join or affiliate with any gang except for the Moxes for some reason. Your romance choice is locked to gender and you can only choose if you are fucking gay. None of the factions have any relevance beyond being scenery. All you do is railroaded cinematic experience (tm) and your choice is to sit and watch or skip content.

>>750910436
It's not like the chip was made for Johnny. He was just slapped on it. Reasons, several.
And yes, Arasaka has an extremely crude approximation with a thin veneer of Jackie if you drop him off there. Only so much that can be grabbed from a dead dude.

>>750909753
Well, in that instance Dex wasn't expecting a shake up i. Maelstrom's leadership. He had presumably dealt with the previous leader and knew he wouldn't fuck him over like that. No one was counting on Royce taking over.

>>750910443
Fem-V makes a more convincing corpo rat
River is the worst romance by a long shot and the dinner scene is beyond peak cringe if you have no desire to fuck him after

other than that there's not too much changes

>>750910603
Dex was a fucking has been. The entire operation was a clusterfuck from A to Z.

>>750910603
it doesn't matter how much you trust someone you never pay up front in the merc business
every other fixer in the game would call him a retarded amateur for it

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Did you know that at one stage Night City had a clown civil war?

>Gang called the Bozos emerged in 2017, mostly known for pulling silly hijinks like splashing paint on corpos and so on
>They dress as clowns and actually border cyberpsychosis due to all the modifications to look and sound like big OTT clowns
>In 2019 a new leader, the Great Bozo, joins
>pushes for violent, extreme pranks involving dangerous devices
>gang now responsible for murders, preying on people's fears
>canonically became gangstalkers of people they wanted to torment
>once a year they would stage "hilaria" where they'd cause as much chaos as possible
>in 2045 another clown, Big Top, formed his own gang of clowns and ended up declaring independence from the Bozos to form his own "circus"
>this started a war where the two clown gangs would terrorise Night City while also playing pranks on each other
>Bozo civil war continued to endlessly escalate until some Mercs were hired to kill him

This is the gang Ozob Bozo joined in the 2040s but later left

>>750910603
>not expecting leadership shakeup in Maelstrom
Yeah, which makes him a retard.

>>750910690
I felt bad for him when I booped him too hard.

>>750905379
>some retard tried to portray the VDB as heckin wholesome defenders of the poor marginalised creole community in Pacifica.

they are objectively assholes to you and everyone who isn't family.

>>750910743
Dex fucked up big time in 2075. 2077 is him desperately trying to salvage his rep and career while cutting corners all over the place.

Netwatch is always hilarious because it's literally the one corp who's existence is a good thing
People who don't do thinking for themselves on why they're hating corps end up hating them too

the VDB in Phantom Liberty even explicitly says he thinks those Pacifica VDB are fucking retards fucking around with shit they shouldn't be

>>750910214
Absolutely and staying in your body after Alt tells you it has maybe a month before it dies is peak retard anyway.

>>750910916
They're not exactly clean or saints, bud.

>>750910936
Slider is fucking correct too.

>>750910690
that sounds fun

>>750910391
Yeah, to save Goro, you have to get up to the floor he's on (which is a bitch if you don't have the jumping legs cyberware), kill the guys attacking him, and talk to him, then escort him out. He separates with you near the entrance.

>>750911000
Double jump is fucking mandatory for the game.

>>750910524
You're missing a few things, anon. A lot of the quests, especially the larger ones, have different forks.

>you can fuck off and leave Panam alone during the Rescue Saul quest and this gets Saul killed and Panam tells you to fuck off forever and the Nomad camp (and their quests and their ending) disappear from the game completely
>you can abandon River at the serial killer's farm, which gets him killed and fails the quest
>you can take too long to enter Dogtown after talking with Songbird which causes Space Force One to fly in and get shot down, which then locks you out of the entire PL main quest
>you can choose different approaches for quests, like being asked to deliver a car with a prisoner in the trunk, or choosing to let the guy out
And so on. There's more variability than you're presenting, which tells me you don't know that much about CP2077.

You're missing the point of cyberpunk the series if you're asking which corporation is the good one. Good corporations that try to be good don't last long in the cyberpunk world.

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>>750905254
Picrel might be the first cucked vydia character I have felt bad for. She would do anything, everything for Johnny... She even pays the ultimate price for him.

Sad.
>Inb4 Young and Gilf Rogue are absolute sexo

>>750910971
>They're not exactly clean or saints, bud.
Sure they're not, sure they've got blood on their hands, but they are still objectively better than the alternative

Netwatch flatlines a couple of morons trying to fuck with the blackwall a month, rogue AI's and their retarded cultists would wipe out entire cities

>>750910614
>Fem-V makes a more convincing corpo rat
This

>>750909574
Desu, V is also written as somewhat as a Naive in Act 1 and early Act 2, people all them a retard to their face all the time, they just have to learn to be professional quick to save themselves.

>>750911158
Think you can also rat out Panam to Saul for a car, which also makes her tell you to fuck off forever.

>>750911158
except none of those are genuine choices they're just bad endings
like in what world is leaving River alone at a serial killer's farm ever a choice other than to see if it would have funny consequences?
There is literally no in-character reason for you to do that

>>750906075
but it literally does the opposite at every single step?
hers is a sad and pathetic story. the only good from it was being partly responsible for activating the fookin' Legend that is Vee.
i think you might have brain problems.
>dumb whore that thought she could outsmart the VDBs and got cooked remotely for it.
yeah... that is what happened, isn't it?

>>750905385
The characters I think are OK are V (because you control them so you can pick the less retarded dialogue options), Johnny (by the end), Vik and Saul. I think Rogue and Alex may have been OK too but I can't remember their dialogue too well. I also kinda like Goro and Reed, they seem like good enough dudes even with their odd morals and I respect the loyalty, it's just the ones they follow aren't deserving of it.
Every other significant character was shitty in one way or another.

>>750911158
>you can fuck off and leave Panam alone during the Rescue Saul quest and this gets Saul killed and Panam tells you to fuck off forever and the Nomad camp (and their quests and their ending) disappear from the game completely
Skip content
>you can abandon River at the serial killer's farm, which gets him killed and fails the quest
Skip content
>you can take too long to enter Dogtown after talking with Songbird which causes Space Force One to fly in and get shot down, which then locks you out of the entire PL main quest
Skip content
>you can choose different approaches for quests, like being asked to deliver a car with a prisoner in the trunk, or choosing to let the guy out
Within the pacifist stuff I said, no real consequences beyond payout and flavor text.

>>750911397
I got really tired of Reed lying to me, but I respected his conviction, even if it meant getting shot in the head. Can't understand how there's so many morons who say "REED NEVER LIED TO V"

>>750910214
On my first blind playthrough I gave him my body desu. Once you're in Mikoshi as engram V you can always find a new body that isn't allergic to your psyche anyway, assuming you don't want to become an AI like Alt. As I saw it V was basically dead anyway and the choice was uploading a copy of V or a copy of Johnny onto real V's body.

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>>750905385
Peralez is a pretty good character, in a completely fucked up way

>>750910524
Uh... Was she modeled after Phoenix Marie™?

>>750911545
Whoever doesn't get picked gets tarballed into Alt, man. There's no going back from that.

>>750911000
>which is a bitch if you don't have the jumping legs cyberware
I took the stairs to reach him without jumping. The fight just takes forever. And I built for sneaking.

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>>750911561
I don't know, but I do enjoy using the photomode on her

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>>750905254
Because Soulkiller tech is worth a fortune..?

>>750911459
If you're expecting separate, full length, mutually exclusive quest paths, there's fewer, but they do exist, mostly in the main path you take to PL's ending and in the overall game ending path you go for.

The smaller quests having forks, even the simple ones I mentioned, are still good, because almost every other game simply railroads you into 'do the quest' without even having options for you to fail or fuck up.

>>750911535
When did Reed ever lie to you? He holds up his end of the bargain if you do, he follows all of Meyers' orders to a T, and is basically just a whipped dog of the state.

Isn't there an email in Yorinobu's penthouse from Netwatch asking why Johnny Silverhand was on the relic? Was this ever answered? I forget if Yorinobu responded to this

>>750911984
>When did Reed ever lie to you?
First, lie by omission: he knows exactly what NUSA did to Songbird and that's she's attempting to run away. Instead telling it straight away he's priming V against songbird by claiming that Songbird doesn't know what she's doing and he knows best
Second, Slider: first sign how Reed negotiates, he presented Slider quid pro quo, while having zero intentions of letting him live
Third, twins: Reed clearly isn't sure if V wants to kill them so he massages around it by using words "neutralize", the moment we steal a car he executes them and states that there was no options for them to live. They had to die
Fourth and most important one: every time he talks how he's going to help Songbird. There was never any actual plan to make her disappear. He always planned to send her back to NUSA and Myers.
If you help Songbird in Firestarter nature of her crimes doesn't change at all but boy does Reed tone changes. She's no longer part of a team but a terrorist who's going to face who has to answer for crimes

>>750912734
it's mistranslation from Polish. Netwatch tells Yorinobu that Johnny MUST BE on relic

>>750905379
VDB is a good example of a side story that doesn't matter much once it's resolved. Kille em all? Barely anyone raises an eyebrow. Spare them, not much interaction from them after that.

awful lot of posts for an OP that is clearly retarded

>>750912790
That's all really thin and a lot of your own interpretation, anon. I doubt Reed knows the extent of what Songbird is doing and is probably being fed bullshit by Meyers, which he just accepts.

>Slider
That's not Reed lying to V at all, that's Reed calling in a favor on a resource and then probably killing him after the fact. But since Slider got cooked indirectly by Songbird, we'll never know for sure.
>twins
I never took that as him lying to V, because he never said what would really happen to them. Him and the chick killing the twins just came off as ruthless pragmatism to me. RIP my French beauty
>he betrayed Songbird
Anon, Reed believes the only way Songbird can get help is through the NUSA. He's genuine in wanting to help her and save her. And if you both betray the NUSA, Reed gets a kill order (for V) and a capture (or kill if not possible) order for Songbird and, like the good glownigger he is, he executes that order.

There's no instance of Reed betraying V, I'm sorry. Songbird sure as fuck does, though. That's why I always give her ass back to the NUSA, so she can be tortured until death, and then collapse the Blackwall.

>>750912961
it's always people that didn't play the expansion

>>750913273
I played it, got amnesia. I only remember the mr. hands side quests being good.

>>750913230
he was there when Songbird was losing memories after doing Blackwall missions, he knows, not being fed bullshit by Myers
Half-truth and lies by omission are lies in my book.
Withholding critical information from V to prevent V from forming own opinion and just follow Reed orders is him being liar and manipulator.
>Reed believes the only way Songbird can get help is through the NUSA
no he doesn't, which is why first he feeds V bullshit about black clinic in Europe, away from NUSA, after songbird "answers some questions"
>He's genuine in wanting to help her and save her
He doesn't, as long as songbird is alive he doesn't give a shit, his guilt consciousness is sated and that's good enough for him. That's not trying to help Songbird, it's Reed helping Reed and only himself

>>750913891
There's no way Reed has the full idea of what Songbird is doing for Meyers, or Meyers would've had him killed.
>black clinic in Europe
Definitely exists and was probably an option he talked about with Meyers before she shut him down.
>Reed doesn't actually care about Songbird
Did you play the DLC? Did you even watch Reed's reaction when you do the bunker path and hand Songbird over? He's torn up over it.

Reed's behavior and motivations make instant sense when you realize he's being fed half truths by Meyers and might question some of them but doesn't rebel against any of it despite having an innumerable amount of opportunities to do so. He's what Johnny would've turned into (the jarhead that doesn't question anything) if Johnny stayed in the army, which is why that line is brought up later in the DLC. They try to position Reed as a tragic character, which is also why that bartender dies in the stadium when you betray Songbird.

>>750910443
You have worse romance options
River is boring as fuck
Judy sucks

>>750908268
>ts an rpg
it's not

>>750914578
>There's no way Reed has the full idea of what Songbird is doing for Meyers
doesn't need to know full extend, just need to know that it's no different from torture and he doesn't object.
>and was probably an option he talked about with Meyers before she shut him down
bull-fucking-shit, he is not letting Songbird go, it's the same shit as with Slider and twins, he presents position V can accept but the moment you'd hand songbird to Reed he'll become pragmatic. That's why he needs icebreaker, he knows why songbird doesn't trust him. Have you actually wondered WHY he needs to ask her few question and why they need to incapacitate her? If there is such black clinic he doesn't need to be part of it, he could give all the info to V and V can get Songbird there.

nothing about Songbird crimes changed before and after firestarter(if you side with her), all her crimes are the same, he already got an order to capture her and like good glownigger he is going to follow it. The only thing changes when he calls you is that V makes his position evident so there's no point of bullshitting
>Did you even watch Reed's reaction when you do the bunker path and hand Songbird over? He's torn up over it.
Yes, he cares about her dying. But he doesn't care about helping her, actually helping her. Her survival is enough for him. As evident if you hand Song to NUSA

Even V calls him out on bridge, Reed is not doing all of that for Songbird, Alex, NUSA or Myers, he is doing it all for himself

>>750905379
>VDB as heckin wholesome defenders of the poor marginalised creole community in Pacifica
The Voodoos in Night City proper deserve to get brainfried. The Voodoos in Dogtown seemed a little more chill

>>750915534
>it's torture
All Reed knows is that Songbird is sick/in a bad way from the aggressive hacking shit she does for Meyers. He's not a netrunner and doesn't know the details beyond the Blackwall being involved.
>he's not letting Songbird go
No shit. I'm saying the EU clinic could've been something he pitched with Songbird still being under full NUSA custody, and Meyers told him "No, we'll use our people."
>he cares about her dying but not helping her
u wot? He goes out of his way to make sure she's taken care of and watches over her like a parent when you do the NUSA handoff after the bunker. It's not at all the same kind of indifferent 'I'm a professional doing a job' shit you see when interacting with him throughout the DLC. The only time his demeanor hardens is when you're at the casino party and you both realize Songbird is lying to you.

>V calls him out on the bridge
What bridge? When?

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>>750905254
I guess you missed the part where it fits into the VDB's unique eschatology.

>>750911382
>letting Myers die is a bad ending
Explain

>>750910214
If I was gonna soon anyway then I would, Johnny is my choom

>>750910214
no, because I don't like him, ruined the game for me

>>750916347
>The only time his demeanor hardens is when you're at the casino party and you both realize Songbird is lying to you.
that's only him covering his disappointment, reed is deeply hurt by the near-death betrayal underneath his shell. normally a character like him is supposed to be a revenant like v, but because the job is all he knows he loses his humanity rather than seek revenge