The "Sages are dead" theory is... dead.
why is modern 'tendo like this?
It was always a flawed theory propped up by edge lords.
>>750954569How can a race that can't look left and right with both eyes at the same time because of their giant nose even survive?
>>750954569or that the original intention but they changed it in the remake.just like they changed the blood etc.
>>750954569Seems more like they aren't even aware that they are dead.
>>750954569Why is this game so ugly
>>750954569Nah, they are dead. Tardiooo didnt help with shit they died got awakened then show up here as a spirit. Or we are ok with naboruu getting brainwashed for 7 years before dying to link.
GERUDO QUEENS OWE ME SEX
>Zelda worrying so hard about their brand's family-friendly reputation>meanwhile new Fire Emblem has the loose implication that the main heroine was raped, extorted, and murdered by the protagonist's father
>>750954569This game is just unpleasant to look at. WTF were they thinking?
>>750954569Nabooru still SEXXO even though she looks like a weird doll
Why would they destroy the mythology of the sages like this? Less is more.
>>750955193You seriously don't know how predator evolution works? Did you fail every class in school?
>>750954569I can't get over Nabooru and those extremely smooth and wet looking lips.
>>750955321Because it's all based on ugly bootleg dools
Goddamn that's a big nose
They are effectively dead as they are no longer part of the real world and can only exist as spirits or whatever.
>>750955559You do know that meme image isn't remotely scientifically accurate, right?
>>750954569You still can't take away how ethereal and bizarre they acted in the original, pointless retcon
>>750955559Why do you think that nonsense is in any way relevant to the post you replied to? Did your inbred family even allow you to go to school?
>>750954569In the original they pop out in death mountain at the end, even if in the original they actually "died" they still returned so what is the fucking problem?
>>750954569oh that sucks. how incredibly lame
Nintendo is supposed to be a family friendly organization desu this never should have slipped through the censors back then
>>750955321keep crying sametrannying faggot
>>750955674>muh headcanon from when I was 10 and youtube man says they dead it’s le retcon
If a character has no relevance to the story anymore, it is okay to kill him off.
It was always a retarded theory because of Twinrova saying they planned to brainwash Nabooru again which they can't do if she's dead.
>>750954569I saw the ending as them coming back to life anyway so im okay with this
>>750955684They "pop out" in spirit forms and disappear in balls of light after looking on at the rest of Hyrule celebrating. It's literally pic related
If dead people could be Sages, then where are the rest of Rauru's generation? He's the last of the ancient sages, meaning the rest all died at some point, so you need new ones to replace Rauru's dead cohorts.
>>750955821you sound mentally unwell
>>750955917This. NOBODY had ever hear of this "sages are dead" shit until recently when people started making up crap that never made sense and goes against both the actual events of the game, and the timeline implications which, yes, actually matter given the game was made to be the imprisoning war of the sages not having descendants.
Next they'll remake Majora's Mask and make it clear that Link is alive.
Where's Rauru? Did they enshittify him into a goat-man?
>>750955917>>750956224>>750954569Nabooru is the only sage that has any narrative supporting her still living after the spirit temple. The others are completely unexplained.Saria is alive because... she just is, ok?!Darunia is alive because... he just is, ok?!Princess Ruto is alive because... she just is, ok?!Impa is alive because... she just is, ok?!Nabooru is the only one who can reasonably be assumed to be alive, and even then, it's not a guarantee. Because we don't know if Koume and Kotake actually meant what they said, or if they were just toying with Link by making him believe that Nabooru would suffer for longer.We also don't know where she was transported, and if she was ok on the other side.We also don't know if her safety was dependent upon the lives of the witches. If they died, then perhaps the magic that sustained Nabooru would collapse.Now in the remake they feed us a line that doesn't really make sense.How is Rauru able to save the sages, and why did he wait until they were in trouble before doing so? Wouldn't it be preferable to awaken them as sages sooner, so they can begin helping sooner? The explanation smells like a poorly thought out patch over a plot hole. Or rather, Nintendo scrubbing out mature themes again, as they typically do.
>>750956160you are mentally raped
>>750955559It's American Education
>>750957016Rauru is still human. It's just more obvious he's Kaepora Gaebora now, with the owl face, owl feathers, and them having the same voice.
>>750957016imagine still using this culture war trannynigger lingo after being absolutely raped into oblivion on a daily basis
>>750957103>Why did God wait until Jesus died to raise him from the dead?
>>750954569This was a theory? Only a retard would think that. You are literally implied to fight the bosses alongside the sages (sadly the lazy demake doesn't show that)
>erm the sages are le dead and termina is a dream link is having while dying also it represents the le seven deadly sins!
>>750957307What are you implying. Say it plainly. Because that analogy kind of sucks.
>>750957245why is he so ugly now and why does this look worse than an n64 game?wtf
This whole X IS ACTUALLY DEAD thing was just idiots trying to chase the next Ben Drowned viral meme, like how /v/ always chases the next TORtanic.
>>750956732>>750956959>>750957160WATCHING THE ENTIRE PLAYTHROUGH AND POSTING EVERY SINGLE THING THE REMAKE FUCKS UP OR CASUALIZES
>>750954569Why is there voice acting? It sounds so damn cringe
>>750955039>It was always a flawed theoryWhat were the flaws? I only became aware of the "sages are dead" theory a couple of years ago and it seems like everything lines up, based entirely on in-game context.
>>750954569retconned you mean
>>750957532Anon, there are games before the original that had voice acting, it's been industry standard for decades.
>>750955193>>750955651lol
Nobody dies, not even this guy
>>750954569The demake is non canon.
>>750957340>You are literally implied to fight the bosses alongside the sagesMay I see?
>>750957651Literally looks like UE5 shit
>>750955546Considering what they did to the Star Fox 64 remake, this is expected since they think adding more (inconsistent and useless) lore retcons is good.
>>750957464I'm implying there's a reason they had to face struggle instead of being turned into sages as babies
>>750955917Waaait wait wait, Kotake and Koume look THAT bad? Wow, that's literally ''Nintendo, hire this man!'' tier.
>>750957467Less talented devs.
>>750957757What is the reason they had to face struggle? I never read the bible. Why did Jesus need to die before being resurrected? As an outsider, it doesn't make any sense to me.
>>750957103>>750954569Doesn't this all make more sense if they died where they thought they last were (e.g. in the forest temple), and didn't remember anything between that point and when their spirits were summoned?
>>750957869That could work too. But it's a farther stretch of the imagination than before.
>>750957858I guess zoomers don't understand heroic self-sacrifice
>>750954569It was a retarded ""theory"" to begin with. Wind Waker required you to find new sages because the originals have long since been dead.
>>750958495Wasn't that the whole split timeline thing? The timeline where Link goes to the future and wins has the sages die/ascend, do their thing, then bounce. The timeline when he's sent back to being a child, the sages still have their inherent, inborn sagacity, but they don't die in the temples and so live normal lives, have kids, etc.The whole timeline is more fucked up than Fox's X-Men, but that was how I always interpreted what Tendie put out as "official timeline" canon. I think there's a third version where Link doesn't even win, so then they're still dead but ganondorf wins?
>>750958495>It was a retarded ""theory"" to begin with.Then why did they need to make so many changes related to this "theory"?
>>750954569Remakes aren't canon, sorry.
>>750954569Whats with modern devs taking all the mystery out of their games? Like damn man, just one less thing to talk about now.
Wait, the sages died? I haven't played OoT in 20 years I don't remember that!
>>750958894This kind of persecutory delusion is nearly as retarded as the thousand plus posts about Deltarune where the jannies are shrieking that Toby is personally embarrassing them by writing a cohesive game that they don't actually play.
>>750955467hot
>>750958412I'm 40.I'm sorry you're unable to articulate why Jesus's death was important.I'm perfectly able to understand heroic self sacrifice. What I don't understand is why sacrifice is needed for Rauru to pull these people into the sacred realm. Also, while these people did exhibit some bravery in life, they didn't exactly go out heroically. Especially Nabooru who was mindraped for 7 years and was last seen running for her life before turning into magic vapor.
>>750954569HOLY NOSE
>>750954569Nabooru kinda looks like she's midway through a bimbofication transformation
>Mario Easter egg removed from Hyrule Castle
>>750959195It was implied:Saria went in the temple way before LinkDarunia rushed into Volvagia's boss room before youRuto completely disappeared after a point in the templeNabooru pretty much gets blown up by the witches after the Iron Knuckle fightImpa ..............
>>750957635are you pretending to not know the difference between eyes that face forward and eyes that face sideways
>>750959771>I decided they died prove me wrongThat's not how stories work retard
>>750959771>Nabooru pretty much gets blown up by the witches after the Iron Knuckle fightThey literally say they're gonna brainwash her again.
Who the fuck is HokWai NG and why was he trusted with remaking one of the most beloved games ever?
>>750960020I highly doubt any of them are capable are taking on their respective bosses. Saria practically had a 0% chance at winning unless Phantom Ganon decided to just leave her alone or purposely lose.
>>750960021It's been a while since I've played 64, but did they actually say that in the 64 version?
>outta the fireI fucking hate am*rican ebonics english so much. what a way to bring me back to the real world and ruin the immersion by using informal lingo.
>>750957567Not him but Wind Waker confirmed that sages have to be alive to use their powers.
Does that mean Mido & King Zora aren't sad at the party anymore? And if they are, why don't these assholes just come back since theyre ALIVE?
>>750960080He's been working at Nintendo EPD for over 20 years, I guess he's proved himself. He was in charge of game design for Tears of the Kingdom.
>>750960112>No you don't understand I decided they died, you have to find specifically in the game where Spaghetti Marinara wrote that they didn't, but also if they did they that it double proves that they did because they specifically rewrote it to make me look stupid with this bullshit I just made up
>>750960328Rauru probably evicted the other sages and that's why they were launched at Death Mountain in the credits.
>>750954569I never thought they were necessarily dead or were killed but rather that becoming a sage ascended them to a higher state of being and purpose in the world and that they would never be able to return to their old selves or lives.
>>750960198https://youtu.be/8yTz8Mr8Uyg?si=2KvahHbLzpsd3T2a&t=147
Man this game is ass. They could have made The Wind Waker: Part 2 instead.
>>750955039How the fuck did Darunia survive Volvagia then?
>>750960112>Saria practically had a 0% chance at winningMaybe she had an empty bottle.
>>750956893that was ever a question?
>>750960578>They could have made The Wind Waker: Part 2 instead.They did.
>>750960198Yes. In the original Japanese too.
>>750955321at least it's not like DQVII reimagine
so do Mido and King Zora mourn for Saria and Ruto in the end credits?
>>750960691It's worse
>>750960761the OoT remake is like a Rankin Bass production. Then again Thunderbolt Fantasy ended last year so perhaps that too played a role.
>>750960578>They could have made The Wind Waker: Part 2 instead.Phantom Hourglass was made 20 years ago
>>750960558>>750960667Huh, my mistake then.
>>750960759they're only sad because they're missing and they don't know where they went.
>>750954569>the sages' descendants in ALttP don't die>the sages in ALBW don't die>Zelda isn't dead in OoTanyway, the sages are DEAD, because you need to DIE to become one, this game is DARK, end of discussion
Regardless of whether or not you believe they died it's still presented as incredibly somber that they've been plucked from their normal lives into this ethereal position so this is so fucking tacky especially for Saria and Ruto. I guess Nabooru being more excited about fucking up dorf after getting mindrape tortured for years isn't the worst thing in the world, that's the only compliment I can give this tasteless dogwater
>>750961051>>the sages in ALBW don't diethat reminds me, that one goron sage has human features and how exactly did a goron reproduce with a human?
>>750960307different game different setting
>>750961051And Wind Waker where some sages actually die but that means they can't be sages anymore, y'know being dead and all.
>>750955917>whitewashed twinrovaKEK
>>750961778nani
excellent. now that the remake is out perhaps we can get a musou with the OoT cast and Saria not get cucked by Lana.
>>750954569Holy retcon lmao. Im sure daruna just spared a bit with volvagia before calling time out
>>750955039many such cases>link is le DEAD in majora's mask
>>750961183Very painfully
>>750954569it was always bullshit that only retaded millenials believed
>>750960593Rauru sage magic, ain't gotta explain shit.
>>750955039R does equal U though
>>750955467>main heroineWho?>protagonistWhich?
>>750961051literal headcanon that has never been confirmed anywhere, get help
>>750960663Aside from having to go to the fuckass Ocean Temple every time you progressed the story, this game was pretty fun. Also the control scheme but you know.
>sages aren't dead>saria wont see Link anymore in the adult timeline
The problem with the doll thing is they didn't go far enough with the aesthetic so it's half realistic, half doll, and full uncanny.
>>750963883That's literally what zelda fans do. They just make shit up so they can link all the games to their convoluted timeline
why exactly did Phantom Hourglass take place in another world whereas Sprit Tracks takes place in a new land.
>>750961778which is weird since she's tan when they combine
>>750957340Its navi you dumbfuck
>>750954569they are going to tie this into the new Botw/Totk sequelmy grandpa works at company that sends mails to nintendo
does saria still cry for you help in a brief period when you talk to her via ocarina?
>>750960593>How the fuck did Darunia survive Volvagia then?Same way Link survived Ganondorf as a kid, sent to the Sacred Realm
>>750954569Absolutely based i hate the fags who always push their edgy theories on Oot and other zelda games
>>750964312May i see it?
imagine being a sage about to die and all of a sudden you're in a room with an old man who is the reincarnation of an owl
>>750954569look at that runway on nabooru
>>750959780Are you pretending not to be able to read >How can a race that can't look left and right with both eyes at the same time because of their giant nose even survive?
>>750954569Why is society so pussified, man? Death is something that occurs to everyone, so what's wrong with leaving it implied? Even as a child I would've thought this shit is lame as hell
>>750963883>>750964025is all that greentext invisible to you or are you just pretending to be autistic?
>>750957467To match the actual concept art of the original.
>>750957103You see and talk to them after beating their dungeons...
>>750954569>yeah, the theory was always bogus, that's why they added dialogue to retcon it!big brains ITT
>>750955039>edge lordsyou are such a fucking baby it's unreal.
>>750957340>You are literally implied to fight the bosses alongside the sages (sadly the lazy demake doesn't show that)It is never implied at all actually. That dialogue is Navi. It's also never implied that they died. People just made it up like the Starfox feet shit.
>>750964959...in the sacred realm. The same way Rauru is capable of communicating with Link from the beyond. He can't directly interact with the physical realm, which is why he uses an owl as an avatar.
>>750964959I also see and talk to dampé's spirit. I guess he was alive and well after all
So no Light Temple?
>no way to get the triforceSoulless. They could have made the urban legend real.
can i emulate it yeti know its going to be worse , i just have been on a kick of doing ship of harkinian randomizer runs and this would be good for a spinobviously i have no intention of giving nintendo money
>>750965269It was always findable. It's just that the method to find it has been lost.
>>750965214Dampe's spirit? You mean the guy they gave a halo to indicate he was dead? The halo that they gave to koume and kotake when they died and became spirits? The halo that none of the sages have because none of them are dead? That halo?You're dumb as hell, anon.
>>750965184>People just made it up like the Starfox feet shituuuhhhh what?
>>750963854But Squall isn't dead.
>>750955321It’s western
>>750965417they're amputeesand all because of the SNES boxart
>>750965389>goofy halo given to cartoony characters to emphasize their deathYou sure showed me
>>750954569bro wtf is that nose
Glad I will be playing this for free on my phone in a week or two :)
>>750965190As this guy just said >>750965389the game establishes that someone who dies either becomes a poe or a spirit with a halo.None of the sages become a poe or have a halo
>>750965417There was a really popular fan theory that the Star Fox crew all had their legs amputated and replaced with metal prosthetics. It was widely accepted and spread as fact by fans, despite never being acknowledged or event hinted at by Nintendo until the Mario Galaxy movie, where they referenced it by having Fox go out of his way to say that he is wearing boots.
>>750965609...because they became sages
>>750965643That's just Nintendo retconning
>>750965389>>750965609Sages are special. They exist outside the natural order of life and death, yet they still die in order to get there.Another reason we know that the sages passed on, is due to the stained glass murals in Wind Waker. They were made in the sage's last known image. They weren't made later in the sage's lives.
>>750965652And that is not the same as being dead, lucky for us Nintendo has made it 100% clear in the remake as the characters now state that they survived
>>750965764In the very game you posted, two Sages were killed by Ganondorf so you need to get their descendants to replace them
>>750965740Everyone was so focused on the Mario Mandate that they simply couldn't see another villain lurking in the shadows... the dreaded Star Fox Mandate...
>>750954569>THEY GAVE THE NEGRESS STEREOTYPICAL NEGRESS NAILSI'm gonna die dude
>>750954569Wait for the JP Script, they could've just sanitized it in localization the same way they tried really hard to pretend Link and Zelda are just GOOD FRIENDS WHO REALLY CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER in Tears of the Kingdom despite canonically living in the same home together.
>>750964436Sure! Just play the game! You enter to the sacred realm from the boss rooms as a very much alive Link and see the very much alive sages there as well.
>>750965858>two Sages were killed by GanondorfI don't remember that. Do you have a source on that? Are you talking about Wind Waker?
>>750965919This, Nintendo of Japan wouldn't dare to make kiddie shit.Original Jap OoT is fucking medieval.
>>750965882>2026>Still calling the most stereotypical Arab people you've ever seen in your life "negresses".The ignrance of racists knows no bounds.
>>750965852Just stop already >>750965116
>>750966004shut up, nigger.
>>750966005? your post doesnt say anything about him dying.
>>750966004I hate uninformed racists. They make true racists look bad.
JAPANESEPUPPETTHEATER
>>750966004Your words are wind. Blow away boy.
>>750963874>>main heroineYu Phas>>protagonistSolel
>>750966078you need to read between the lines, anonif you're concerned and hammerless you're a dead goron walkin
>>750966078>goes to face volvagia alone>admits to be worried because he doesnt have the hammer>last seen entering the boss room>is nowhere to be seen inside later while volvagia is neither dead nor sealed.Just fucking take the L already
>>750966004Glad I still have use cases for this image.
>>750966160Ah fair enough.
where's Impa's Sacred Realm dialogue.
>>750965764looking back, were it not for those cut dungeons, we could have had two more sages not just Medli and Makar.
>>750957467less detail = harder to find something to dislike
>>750966004it's false flag shitactual racist would know the difference
>>750954569these niggas dead as hell
>>750966215I'm not reading all of that. I get it. You're racist.
>>750954569What race are the Gerudo supposed to be based off in real life?
>>750966212He very clearly got rescued>>750966164He was concerned, but he still went to fight it, Link didnt take that long to get there.
>>750966415Middle eastern people
>>750954569>Taking out the bittersweet maturity of the original for muh fee feesI'm glad Nintendo is finally understanding the intellectual maturity of their audience.
>>750955387>dyingshe didn't die retardthe Twinrova captured her again to rebrainwash herthey explicitly say this in the game
>>750966418>he was rescuedNow that's what you call headcanon
>>750954569>theoryIsn't this just the explicit state of the sages? They literally become incorporeal spirits as shown in the end credits.
>>750966212We see him after the fight, sages are mortal beings, in Wind Waker we need to find living beings to replace the dead sages, in Twilight princess Ganondorf kills a sage
>>750966475remake confirms it, at this point you are fighting a losing battle.
>>750966518>the family friendly remake that removed blood and torture devices confirms itAlright chief
>>750966443Obviously but I always got a Moroccan vibe from them.
>>750956030This combined with everyone "disappearing", especially after charging into a boss room, is what convinced me as a kid they were dead. Didnt bother me though because time travel means they never died and the timeline is dumb anyways. I didn't even know people debated they were dead or not until it apparently became a big deal for some reason with this release, felt pretty clear they were. This whole "actually we got spirited away" added dialog feels dumb but I dont care as much as a lot of people seem to.>>750965643Iirc this came out of some "official" Nintendo magazine made for America/Europe but was just made up bullshit by the people who wrote it. I swear Ive seen a photo of the "fun fact" in a margin under a photo, but hell, that story could be bullshit too.
>>750966582fag argument, like the other guy said Sages are living beings. There would be no point to Rauru replacing sages if his own lineage could cover for the rest of the slots.
>>750966492There's a difference between dead and spiritual. The sages in TP never looked "living" and becoming a Sage in WW was portrayed as a sort of noble sacrifice.
>>750954569well they could still be dead af unless the game shows them interact with the living outside the chamber of dead af niggas
>>750966763>There's a difference between dead and spiritual. Sages are not spirits they are magical beings>The sages in TP never looked "living"Their looks are irrelevant they can be killed (with a physical attack even) so they are mortal> and becoming a Sage in WW was portrayed as a sort of noble sacrifice.They are alive regardless of the sacrifice
>>750956224>NOBODY had ever hear of this "sages are dead" shit until recentlySince almost the release of the game after seeing the credits scene, that's why Mido and King Zora are sad in a corner. You having the memory span of a goldfish doesn't change the fact that this "theory" is likely older than you.
>>750957340>>750965184>Its navi you dumbfuck>That dialogue is NaviCan you read, you illiterate niggers? Look what it says in Japanese.>気をつけるゾラ!!>ゾラ>"Watch out, zora!!"Ruto and King Zora ends their sentences with the "zora" gobi in Japanese. That sentence has "zora" at the end. Why would Navi, for no reason at all, suddenly put zora at the end of her sentence for one specific line in the entire game, zora?
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>>750954569Yet another reason to ignore yet another remake.>>750954803It's not just a Nintendo thing. Every modern remake seems determined to change whatever the crew remaking it retroactively finds icky or offensive.
>>750954569Christ
How are people playing the game already? Keeps saying "No" on my Switch :(
>>750969008Definitely not sharing my cocaine with her.
>>750969008>those lipsHnngghhh...
>>750957567They show up at the end of the fucking game
>>750955193Usury and mimicry mostly
>>750955039What theory?Someone give me the quick run down like Im 12
>>750955039I like the "the Hero of Time's life actually sucks" theory.It certainly helps explain Majora's Mask backstory and what a mope The Hero's Shade is.
>>750954569Bro this "game" (movie) isn't canon
>>750969174Seemingly unnoticed by anyone else and teleporting around, yes.
>>750967898nah
>>750969264Hero's Shade is just depressed because he couldn't find anyone who wanted to learn his wicked cool and highly advanced "stab a downed opponent" technique.
>>750968641>let me just slap this shitty watermark on stuff I don't actually own>featuring my completely original character, Σink™
>>750954569Death is forbidden in Nutendo.Not even the guard from the back alley dies in this remake.
>>750969008It’s not even the sheer size. Why is it completely FLAT and angular like that? No human has a nose shape like that.
>>750969008the artstyle works for gerudo's. meanwhile everyone else has this beak.
>>750957245I'm gonna assume he's a guy who took on the name Rauru and built a new Temple of Time after hearing legends about the original Rauru and the Temple of Time in the sky.
>>750959780>Eyes that face sidewaysEven children know that predator eyes face forwards, you clearly don't know what you're talking about anon
is the goddess statue in the game
>>750969456>Death is forbidden in Nutendo.Good job yelling loud and clear that you don't know shit about gaming
>>750955039even as a child I always thought they had died, Ive never even heard that it was a theory until this thread
>>750954569So what happens to them? Do they just live in a purgatory? Sounds kinda like........ death???
>>750967898>that's why Mido and King Zora are sad in a cornerNo, that's because they're both designated unlikable nnoying characters and nobody else want to hang out with them, that's the joke. Why the fuck would they be the only two people upset? You think the entire Kokiri and Zora tribes wouldn't be in mourning? You think the Gorons, the Gerudo and the fucking Hylians just wouldn't give a shit about Darunia, Nabooru, Impa and fucking Zelda being dead? You think anybody would be having a jolly party in this scenario where literally every major race just lost simultaneously lost their beloved leaders?
>>750965740You can't retcon something that was never canon to begin with!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTrpuvzU17k&t=1s
>>750969254Slow fellas think the sages are dead because they went alone into scary placeEven though we do see them safe and sound after beating the scary placeNintendo made it clear in the remake but slow fellas think they "retconned it" So now they claim they know better than the people that made the game and everybody but them is dumb
>>750969456The main cast of BotW literally all died
>>750970480story reasons
list of voice actors in different languages?
>>750954569I hope we're getting a nose fix. These models would actually look fine if not for the angle grinder noses.
>>750969901>open video>see vtuber>hear that voice>close videoi dont care. they have prosthetics.
>>750965237Was never in the cards.
>>750969092by not being born in the U.S.of A.
>>750954569>watched some footage of the game up until beating Gohma and leaving Kokiri Forest>Deku Tree has a bunch of excessive rambling that kills the pacing and impact of his death>Saria is waiting outside the Deku Tree's meadow with Mido instead of ambushing Link on the bridge>her new dialogue implies she is also under the assumption Link is a Kokiri and not a human, unlike the original>when we finally get to the bridge scene the execution is fucked and all the emotional beats are completely ruined>Link is casually strolling out of the forest instead of running and it's Saria that runs after him huffing and puffing instead of already waiting on the bridge and appearing behind him, catching him off guardI turned the stream off after that. I haven't given a shit about the art direction or noses or other things people have been getting up in arms over but it's clear Nintendo has no fucking grasp on what made the original game good and are completely incapable of preserving the integrity of the game. I already had no plans of getting a Switch 2 but this just set that decision in stone. There is absolutely no reason to ever play this when the original exists.
>>750971342What a pathetic way to live your life. Have you ever considered killing yourself?
>>750973668Who hasnt? Right?
>>750960663That game sucked ass
>>750954569Why does nobody die in this game at all?What the fuck is going on.
>>750955917>no longer greenBut... then pic happens.What?
>>750957651They're trying to pull something like:>they can't die because it's a puppet show shitTwin snakes was way better than this shit though.
>>750960663They made 2 even.
>>750954569>Ruto is now on a timer to rape link>Zelda actually saved adult link's ass by immediately sending him back in time to avoid royal dutiesneat
>>750955821uh oh melty
>>750965882Actually Gerudo are essential the Harem of Ganon 2bh, so they're meant to look like an Ottoman harem of belly dancers. As a kid I used to think they were Ganon's belly dancer slaves because that's why they hated him. They wanted freedom from this asshole that just exploited them. But no, to nintendo they're just like that. Kinda fucking retarded right?That could have been a cool story element.But not in a nintendo family friendly happy happy child friendly (and not financially predatory) game.
>>750969008She looks fine? Amazing even.
>>750954569Her nose... I've never felt this aroused
>>750969008She reminds me of that "Paper planes" chick... But hoter
>>750954569Why is it SO UGLY???
>>750974549SEXOOOOO
>>750954569I thought Nintendo quit with the toddler baby treatment after the wii.
>>750955321literally what I was thinking
>>750973517>her new dialogue implies she is also under the assumption Link is a Kokiri and not a human, unlike the originalNothing suggested that she knew Link was human, just that she had a feeling he was different and would leave someday.
I think its just censoring. The soIdier in the alley way doesn't die anymore either.
>>750974549https://youtu.be/5KO2IjWI9fA
>>750954803They have to remove every ounce of edge and uncertainty in everything to accommodate the modern sensitive audience.
>>750957103>saria died because... she just did, ok?>darunia died because... he just did, ok?>ruto died because... he just did, ok?>impa died because... she just did, ok?
>>750974549>brazillian gruntilda
>>750974672Hero of Winds is both WW and PH, but ST is Hero of Trains. Not that PH Link being the Hero of Winds makes any sense
>>750976614I've only liked one puppet show
>>750976614>Why are the faces so ugly? It's like they're made of wo-ACK!
>>750954569They are trapped forever in another dimension, it's akin to being dead
>>750955321Have you seen zoomers!
>>750974431Literally woman in charges on remake.
>>750976351darunia died because he walked into a soup pot without the super dragon-killing mallet., ok?
>>750957858the retard in question is using false comparison. in the bible jesus had to die because he needed to live an entire mortal life without sin in order to equal the karmic weight of infinate sins of humanity. now you can argue the philosophy of this but thats why. he was subject to all temptations including fear of death, sexual desire, etc. in the case of the sages theres no real reason they need to be awakened by rauru. it actually undermines their character growth and makes everything seem about him.
>>750976246In my country they suggest you give blood at 16 so this isn't a joke. It's real.And people have been caught buying it online, expecting literally this shit with it.>btw this will probably give you cancer, don't do this
>>750973517>saria is under the impression link, the baby boy she raised from infancy, is a kokirithe fuck....
>>750977123This show is fucking insane kek.
>>750976351Impa: "Despite my skills as a Ninja and a warrior, I don't have the tool that allows me to see into illusions of the ancient traps my ancestors set to keep people out.Darunia: "I'm scared about this fight, because I don't have the legendary hammer"Ruto: "I'm just a regular Princess with no combat training."Saria: "I have the strength of a 7 year old girl."
>>750976351>ruto>hesasuga jeet
>>750978410Saria raising Link is headcanon. She thought he was a Kokiri like her.
>>750978626fuck of jeet
>>750978615>esl doesn't have enough knowledge of english to recognize typosA tale as old as time.
>>750955321It's the bridge shaped noses on every fucking character.
>>750978615>>750978654>61 seconds apart>fuck ofNice samejeeting, Patel.
>>750954569The way her nose is rendered makes me want to break it off and eat it.
>>750954569nice nose lmao
>>750978694>>750978772bluewave :)
>>750977724>womanThey wish.
>>750954569If nose could kill
>>750977891They can't even make things logically make sense at all in the game.But that said, it was always sloppy with logic and a VERY overrated plot. MM was miles better.Nintendo doesn't like it because it reflected the mindset of the devs during development, when nintendo started to become this soulless husk of a corp at the time of y2k.So the moon crushing down on them and they're losing their minds while stuck in a daily cycle they can't escape from.Nothing has changed clearly.
Rauru is just Saint PeteHe brought them there as they died
>>750954569Holy FUCK, what the hell did they do to Nabooru? How are you faggots defending this shit???
>>750954569this demake really looks so fucking bad.in the one garudos actually have long noses so what do they do? make them even longer and remove the point to make it a square shape.it all looks so fuckign aweful.
>>750979232Nabooru is less egregious than others because her nose always looked like that in official artwork. All Gerudo have big noses.
>>750973517>>when we finally get to the bridge scene the execution is fucked and all the emotional beats are completely ruined>>Link is casually strolling out of the forest instead of running and it's Saria that runs after him huffing and puffing instead of already waiting on the bridge and appearing behind him, catching him off guardThey ruined the bridge scene? That's one of the most emotional scenes in the fucking game, what possessed these retards to change it to something lame? "I can do it better" or some other arrogant ass delusion?
>>750979307her nose isn't a flat square shape tho, it's supposed to come down to more of a point and the 3DS version made it slightly shorter than the concept art which was a good decision. Combined with the ugly plastic skin and clashing overly detailed clothes the demake version just looks visually repulsive.
>>750969589>predator eyes face forwardsHammerhead shark eyes do not.An orcas eyes do not.A Komodo dragons eyes do not.Piranha eyes do not.
>>750954569need nabooru goblin nosejob
>>750955193>>750969197There was a video recently showing a Jewish woman who had a nose so big she literally could not see to the sides of it, lmfao Who is that yenta in the OP by the way? She's kind of hot.
>>750974549thanks doc
>>750955039? It wasn’t really a “theory”. It was a pretty normal assumption, since they’re all ghostlike and you basically see darunia and the gerudo woman die
>>750980568No, you see the witches teleport Nabooru away so they can brainwash her again later
>>750955387>Or we are ok with naboruu getting brainwashed for 7 years before dying to link.The implication wasn't that she died to link, it was the witches seemingly vaporizing her
>>750960412>they didn’t die! They were transformed into an ethereal type of existence that separated them from the mortal world, severing their connection to their friends and family (who all talk about how much they miss them). This is a different condition from being dead because…. It just is!
>>750957467hes actually very jarring in the n64 game. he looks so out of place compared to the other characters, like hes from star wars or something.
>>750980739>picwhy didn't they just do the same with link there?what's he gonna do about being teleported away?just teleport him into a cage
>>750954569QRD on this theory? I never heard of it
>>750957358It's just basic media literacy heh heh
>>750954569>soulless demake
>>750954569GODDAMN THAT SCHNOZ
>>750980757They're physically alive, it's a "we can never go back to our old lives because we have to stay here to seal Ganondorf" deal
>>750957103Why would Saria randomly die?
>>750954569Every single Japanese person I have watched play this game reacts the exact same way because they all have a better cultural understanding about what the game is saying. They are spirits, they are bound to the spirit realm, they fly as orbs at the end, they can't interact with their friends or family ever again, Mido and King Zora are depressed during the ending credits, and every last one of them expresses gratitude or regret as their final message to Link after giving him their spirit medallion. >Twinrova capture Nabooru again to rebrainwash herShe is not awakened as a sage at that point. They only awaken as sages after you defeat the monster that has taken over each temple. They do not "teleport around". They are bound to the spirit realm like ghosts and are only able to leave once Ganon is sealed. They are still specifically shown not rejoining the rest of the celebrating people because they can't. Even in the English translation, Darunia and Saria say they can never go see their friends again. Darunia literally asks you to look after his son.However, they do not die in the physical sense. They become enlightened sages, which was most likely influenced by Japanese Buddhism. They are dead in that they have transcended the physical and become beings of spirit.>but Raoru saves themYes, because someone who physically and spiritually dies cannot awaken as a sage because they would no longer exist.But awakening as a sage means they become a spirit, which happens upon Link's restoration of each of their respective temples.Furthermore, even Raoru is shown to only be able to interact with the physical world as Kaepora. This further shows that they are no longer able to interact with the living via their own bodies. The only exception is Princess Zelda, who has awakened as a sage without throwing away her physical form because she possesses the triforce of wisdom.
>>750954569>annoucing Sages
>>750954569Why would anyone have thought they were dead?>they used powers to teleport around in the endingSo can Link. So can a lot of people with magical abilities. Magical abilities granted to them after becoming sages, magical abilities they used to seal Ganondorf away.How the fuck did people think a few small things = dead?
>>750981759Do you not recall what is inside of the Forest Temple? When you contact her as adult Link, she has this to say:>Great! You're safe!>I knew I would hear from you again!>I'm in the Forest Temple!>The forest spirits were calling for help, so I went to check it out...>But it's full of evil monsters!>Help me, Link!
>>750974930You're basically still right. Their goddess put them on punishment detail as belly dancing whores until they realized that trying to take over the world was stupid. It's Ganon's whole backstory, he's an evil bastard because he's the product of heartless ambition instead of hundreds of proud sisters and aunties.
>>750954569Did they bother even polishing this?
>>750981463You people must seriously be autistic if you can't tell she's trying to cheer Link up here by not flat out saying the obvious.Why does this need to be explained to you people Literally every context clue in the game is telling you they are no longer alive. They explicitly tell you they can never go back and will never see their loved ones again. Even after Ganon is sealed, they still don't go back to their families. Mido is fucking crying at the end.How can you possibly be this dumb?
>>750978227christians will shit and piss themselves over this, but jesus definitely sinned. he was human, and part of being human is sin.
>>750954569Why does nabooru look like wartime propaganda
>>750981993Why bother? Did it matter? They've already made millions.
>>750982057I just realized how stupid her eyebrow placement is. WTF.
>>750981463>erm I can never go back because we need to seal ganon>after that?? uhh no sorry I can't because... because I just can't okay
>>750969008The geurdo are descendants of the rito?
>>750957103>Nabooru is the only sage that has any narrative supporting her still living after the spirit temple. No she doesn't.>>750981818
>>750981959Yep, that obviously means death.
>>750981993>>750982057What am I supposed to be seeing?
>>750955039>teaching children about death tastefully is edgyguess we should let the local tranny show them snuff porn instead right?
>>750981818It's a tomayto/tomahto situation. In the west our most popular 'other worlds from which visitors may never return' are all associated with an afterlife. But that just kicks the can down the road to how you define death and its relevance. If they've gone from flesh-and-blood to fully ephemeral beings who exist in another world and can never return, the difference between them becoming Kami or Xian and becoming Einherjar or a Saint isn't all that big in the grand scheme of things.
>>750982196Yes, actually. She is explicitly in danger. Link never finds her. And then she appears as a spirit after the fact.
>>750982243>teaching children about death tastefully is edgyWhen I was 13, I never got the impression they died at all. I was just like, "Okay, so Rauru took them and now they're chilling in this pocket dimension with some new mysterious abilities."
>>750982036Bro doesnt know the lore.
Even if that was the original intent, I'm after games firmly establish that Sages need to be alive in order be Sages and that a Sage dying means a replacement is needed, so of course they would make things more consistent with later games
>>750982330>it's impossible for her to have escaped or been helped by the old man with fucking magical powers who needs her to be a sage>her next appearance is as a spirit because I said so
>>750974549she looks like a gecko
I really wish Nintendo hadn't hired that man
The entire theory completely collapses because Zelda is also one of the seven sages, she's very much alive and corporeal during the final events of the game, and clearly doesn't die afterwards either because her bloodline continues in every possible timeline.
>>750954569GoodThem being arbitarily dead / "ascended to a higher plane" was lame and felt like Nintendo just being allergic to actually telling stories>W-Wait, you mean we'd have to actually... THINK about what these characters are doing AFTER they're done helping Link in the Zelda Story Tee Em!? A-Aaaah, FUCK! I'm going INSANE! W-What could they POSSIBLY do besides help Link and then disappear into the cameo/reference dimension!?So boring>ERM ACSHUALLY, it's a really deep and meaningful Japanese cultural thing that you just...don't get, whiteboi!!Okay, then why are there so many other Japanese media franchises that introduce characters similar to the Sages and don't proceed to immediately put them in the camero/reference dimension? Could it not just be that Aonuma has been guilty of "And then the Divine Beasts disappeared because Ganon is dead even though he isn't really" bullshit from the start?
>>750982296I agree, but even if westerners aren't familiar with Japanese Buddhism, which is clearly the religion that would influence the people who originally made this game the most, if any did at all, we in the west should still be able to understand the sages become metaphysical beings like ghosts or spirits, when they awaken. This should especially be understandable when they keep saying things to link that sound like the last words of a dying friend and also when they outright tell you they will never be able to go back to their previous life.
What in the actual fuck is that nose?
By this logic, Link being in the Chamber of Sages means he's dead too. The Master Sword drained his life force and killed him, explaining why he's in the Chamber of Sages, and from that point on, Link is a spirit that's roaming Hyrule and going through dungeons. Nintendo even addresses this later in Breath of The Wild when you try to remove the sword and it begins taking away your health. Obviously you can only go to the Chamber of Sages if you're dead. And Link is nowhere to be seen in the ending party.
>>750982654>"ascended to a higher plane"You can have concepts like ascending to a higher plane without dying.
this obsession some "fans" have with trying to make nintendo games way edgier than they are has always been silly. It reeks of insecurity
>>750954569I hate everything about this remake
>>750955039trvke
>>750982409>>750982641>I'm after games firmly establish that Sages need to be alive in order be Sages and that a Sage dying means a replacement is neededThis is established in OoT itself, do the whole idea was always bunk. Likewise you hear Ruto calling to you in the Morpha fight *before* she becomes a sage, making it clear that the sages were meant to be incorporated into the actual boss fights somehow. Sages dying 'would' make sense, but is contradicted by pretty much everything and hence was never taken seriously or treated as "what obviously happened" until recently when it became a headcanon meme.
>>750982853In some peoples' minds, things are either made "for grown-ups" with "dark" implications and meanings like people being dead, or some other nonsensical twists and if it's not then it's made for 2-year old toddlers with happy themes where nothing bad ever happens. There can only be those two extremes, no middle ground.
>>750982654They aren't arbitrarily dead. They become enlightened spirits. AKA, they no longer have a physical existence. AKA, they are effectively dead from everyone else's perspective.What's unclear is if they actually physically died when they each entered the boss chamber in their respective temples. Saria calls for help from the forest temple. Darunia enters the boss chamber to fight Volvagia right in front of you. Ruto goes ahead to fight Morpha, but when you get there, she isn't in the room, BUT she yells out to you with a disembodied voice to warn you about the water. Most people think this is Navi warning you, but Navi's dialog is a different color. It was Ruto.So was Saria run through by Phantom Ganon? Was Darunia eaten by Volvagia? Was Ruto dissolved by Morpha?Probably, but we don't know for sure. But it doesn't really matter. They awaken as sages after "being saved" by Raoru, but that might be because Raoru was able to bring their soul to the spirit realm or something after they were killed.Ultimately, there was a reason why the original devs included the scene in the credits to show them fly around as spiritual orbs and then look out over their friends from the mountain instead of join them. There's a reason why they showed Mido and King Zora mourning while everyone else was celebrating and the music changes from happy to sad. You have to ask yourself what that final scene was trying to communicate. If they were still alive or able to go back to their families, they would have shown that instead of the opposite: the sages floating away.
>>750983151That is literally what nintendo thinks, considering they toned the game way down and reworked a bunch of puzzles to be easierTheir target demographic is children, which does in fact mean 2 year oldsNevermind the fact that you yourself were buying into that paradigm in the first place by considering spiritual topics to be edgy and dark
>>750983274>AKA, they are effectively dead from everyone else's perspective.Except for the fact that they could physically interact with everyone if they wanted to. They're effectively immortal.
>>750982243The game is filled with characters who very explicitly die and at least three of those deaths happen on-screen. The Deku Tree dies right in front of Link, Dampe dies during the time skip, that one soldier dies in an alleyway, Link literally murders Kotake and Koume himself. The game does not shy away from the topic at all so the writers suddenly deciding to be coy about it with the sages makes no fucking sense.
>>750983357>Nevermind the fact that you yourself were buying into that paradigm in the first place by considering spiritual topics to be edgy and darkI'm talking about people in general nowadays. And there's nothing "spiritual" about "The obviously deep dark secret about Ocarina of Time: the sages are dead!"
>>750969254Schizotheory that gained traction with some autists who were really, really obsessed with coming up with a tidy bow to wrap around the game's potential time paradoxes and gaps in overt storytelling. One such leap was "Why do you never see the characters again after you finish their dungeon and they go to that sealing chamber to get ready to pool their powers?" becoming "OH FUCK THEY'RE DEAD!"
>>750969008Looks like a Hotwheels playset with crazy ramps.
>>750969008>better face overall>Slope noseWell...alright.
>>750957103>Nintendo gets rid of characters dying because... kids game amirite?>Meanwhile, whole game you kill enemiesDo enemies not die also? Holy fuck, this demake is literally the worst demake ever.
>>750983531It's not secret that they're spirit beings who can't go back
>>750982970Ruto is "dead" by the time you fight Morpha. That is why her voice is disembodied. If she were alive, she would have been in the room or they would have shown her. She isn't able to awaken as a sage in the spirit realm until you defeat the evil corrupting the Water Temple.The sages being spirits is not a recent discussion. People who played OoT as children might not have been able to pick up on all the details. Meanwhile, the Japanese have always understood that the sages are no longer alive.Raoru explicitly tells you that he was one of the ancient sages that built the temple of time and the gossip stones tell you the owl is someone who once lived a long time ago. Which obviously implies that the sages can exist after death, if not outright imply that they are all dead.If anything, them being alive is what is contradicted by all the hints, dialog, and cutscenes in the game.
>>750957245How can he just construct an entrance to the sacred realm?
>Aonuma removed the countdown timer from the Ganon's Castle Escape sequenceDoes he think you are literally and physically retarded if you buy this game or something? What's even the point of doing shit like this?
>>750983370>Except for the fact that they could physically interact with everyone if they wanted to. They cannot. Which is why Raoru has to inhabit the form of an owl to even talk to you before you meet him. The game never shows or even implies they can physically interact with anyone, and in fact implies the opposite when Saria says they can never go back to their old life and Darunia asks you to look after his son for him.
>>750982420Not impossible. But improbable. Seeing as how the narrative never supports the idea that she was saved. But the narrative does support that she's surrounded by monsters and needs saving. It's much more likely that Link never saved her.>her next appearance is as a spirit because I said soShe is a ball of light in the credit sequence.
It genuinely pisses me off that people actually can't comprehend the belief that the sages died without having a direct confirmation. It is so damn obvious, especially them showing up in the credits.
>>750983381It's called good writing.Besides, no one cares if an old geezer tree dies (jk, I do). But even if other characters die in the game, they are not going to show a little girl get run through by a spear or your fish fiance being dissolved in acid.
>>750954569Game is not canon. Also game looks like it was made by a westoid foid with a botw layer on top of it. All the original charm and character is gone
>>750984010Of course they can comprehend it. It's just that they've looked at the available data, and determined that people who believe the sages are dead are retards inserting fan-fiction into the story.
>>750983881>Does he think you are literally and physically retarded if you buy this game or something?
>>750984010The credits scene is really what seals it. I seriously don't know how anyone could reach any other conclusion. The music even dramatically swells and reaches crescendo when they slowly fade in like ghosts.
>>750984065>It's called good writing.Such good writing that it's directly contradicted by pretty much everything else in the game
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>>750984280thank you! i really believe this whole thread is rage bait at this point.
>>750984147I thought the game was made by Ninteno in-house, but after seeing them turn Ruto into a trashy latina/gypsy, I have a hard time accepting that this was designed by a Japanese guy.
>>750964002PH is tedious as all hell and not just because of the backtracking.
>>750984294There is nothing in the game that contracdicts it. What part of the game contradicts it?
>>750968641Man, the new localizer sucks at writing. I'm gonna play in Japanese and use it to learn.
>>750969008
>>750980254>Who is that yenta in the OP by the way?She's an NPC whose only real involvement in the story is almost solely contained around one dungeon.
>>750954569I find it a little funny that they added context for this, yet left the scene where Navi leaves Link at the end still completely wordless. Some people theorized that she died or vanished as well.
>>750984408Are you looking at the image you posted? What about her design screams trashy latina gypsy to you?
Twinrova owes me sex
>>750954569Doesn't the ending show them basically as ghosts or is that MM? What's it look like now?
>>750984408It was made in-house
>OP image completely destroys the theory and renders it undeniably false>Autismos are still tying themselves in knots over it because they can't accept that the fanon they held onto for 30 years was exactly thatHow hard is it to just admit that you were wrong and that your supposed "high media literacy" just led to you massively overthinking things? It's a fucking Zelda game, you should know they don't do subtext.
>>750981818I can buy this, would fit with the style of OoT's symbolic storytelling.
>>750954569Why are they so gay doing shit like this
>>750984881So why can't they ever see their families again
seriously the sages never died just by being sages in other zeldas so why would they in OoT
The theory never held to any scrutiny considering Nabooru. Darunia is the only sage that fit it without many questions, literally everyone else are just huge assumptions based on nothing.
>>750984408
>>750965957Have you not played the game? Ganondorf killed Laruto and Fado so you need to get Medli and Makar to replace them.
>>750985616Can a nigga not remember things without having his gamer cred questioned. Sheesh. Just post the source, if you're right, you're right. I just want to see it for myself.
>>750955039It's explicit in the original that Saria can never return. There are several hints that the sages die in cutscenes too. This knowledge is only available to people who have actually played the game though.What else is it then? If the remake changed it then it's actively making the story worse.
>>750970235>we see them safe and sound after beating the scary placeFactually untrue. Go play the games stop consuming tiktoks of the remake and pretending to be an expert on the original.
>>750955917isn't that only explicit in the english version or something?
>>750960328sex with ryuko
>all these posts agreeing with this stupid revisionism that they're not deadYeah, I guess Saria just fucks off forever and is never seen again by a mortal being because she's just such a good hider for no reason. I guess the sage of light only shows up as an owl for fun and not because his physical form is dead.It's fucking OOT. How have NONE of you played this game? I'm not even a super fan and I know this shit. You're all dead wrong.
SIRS, WHY IS THE NOSE THE TOBLERONE?IT IS HURTING MY HANDS TO EAT.
>>750979952>The fuck you say, bitch?
>>750986560The sages being dead was as wrong back then as always.Nabooru is blatantly alive.And the whole reason the sages need to awakened is the old set being dead.
>>750986560This. Even i recognized the subtext in the original that the sages were dead or were going to die/fade to do their duty. And I was a bigtime retard kid. Like, serious retard.
>>750986734A sage is not necessarily eternal. They can die, continue as spirits, and then experience another kind of death where their spirit is destroyed.You see as much with poes.
Aren't the writers of Ocarina of Time alive? Their names are in the credits, why not just ask them? They aren't monks guarding the secrets of an ancient sacred text, they slapped together a videogame script in the 90s, they'd probably just flat out tell you.
>>750986860Koizumi is locked up in Nintendo's basement as per usual. I don't know how he managed to sneak out for Starfox.
so why are the OoT sages the only ones that have to die to be sages in all of zelda?
>>750986939They didn't have to die. The deaths were just coincidental.Also, they were the first sages in the series. Before that, it was 7 maidens in A Link to the past. So you should really be asking, why didn't sages after oot have to die?
so like do people who think they're dead think Zelda is dead too or does she have some kind of exception or what
Bros don't you love the same 12 union VAs who are in every localized game?Isn't that awesome?
>>750986860>they'd probably just flat out tell you.Writers explaining their work 30 years later is cringe.
>>750987134>union VAsThere has not been a single English voice acted piece of media good enough to listen to since the mid 2000s.
the alleyway soldier lives in the remake, so I have no reason to believe that the sages not dying was true to n64 oot.
>>750986860>>750986928Koizumi will confirm the kid in the graveyard dying during the time skip, but not the sages, apparently.
What does the Shrine fairy look like, does she deserve that big hylian dick?
oot kinda sucks huhure just a lad forced on this adventure with no voice, or autonomy then the bitch at the end wipes your memory of all your deeds????
>>750969008Yes that's a gerudo alright.
>>750987476yeah that's why people made tragic fanart of oot/mm link for the last twenty years
>>750959689There’s so many reasons to just stick with the original it’s really impressive.
>>750959689Funnily enough SMRPG Remake kept its cameos, what fucking excuse does OoT Remake have?
>>750982641Zelda has the fucking triforce
>>750987862No, she has the wisdom triforce
>>750988124yeah TP Zelda is the one with the triforce of sex
>>750954803Not allowed to have ambiguity. You vill have the disney happy end in all properties.>>750981159The original theory behind the sages is that you were talking to their spirits. Every single one was put in a perilous situation where they would have died if things played out aside from Rauru. Saria walked into a forest temple that had all of the monsters going nuts. Darunia gave a last "If I die I leave the gorons to you" speech to his son before walking head-first to fight a dragon with no hammer and then disappeared. Nabooru drowned in magic quicksand. Ruto got taken by Morpha and likely eaten seconds before you fight it. They also don't show up in corporeal forms ever again after they become sages. At the end, they're just balls of light. It's obvious that the original designers intended for it to be ambiguous if they lived or not. There would be no other reason to have them be so obviously killed off-screen. Nabooru and Ruto are the most obvious because you see Morpha literally grab Ruto and Nabooru literally goes down in a pool of quicksand cursed by Twinrova, Rauru isn't pulling her out of that unless their magic means nothing to him.
>>750988384> Nabooru literally goes down in a pool of quicksand cursed by Twinrovayeah I mean you might read this as a death if you ignored everything else about how it explicitly isn't
>>750988464Before she's shot in the temple or after?
>>750984715how do you know that?
>>750987519westoid foids should kys for trying to tranny gay Link so hard
>>750984881>It's a fucking Zelda game, you should know they don't do subtext.Lol I'm sorry but if this is your argument then you are crazy. The saged=dead idea is weak, but Zelda games have super nuanced thematic storytelling and means of exploring various ideas. There's a reason all the Souls lore fanaticism came out of the Zelda fanbase in the first place.
>>750986560>revisionism that they're not deadThem being dead is revisionism. They are bound to the sacred ream, but not *dead*, which is a fairly recent idea.> I guess the sage of light only shows up as an owl for funThe game never says that Raru is Kaepora. As far as we know he's an actually dead sage reincarnated as an owl, unlike Raru, who's actually continually been a sage for ages is is that last of the old sages who hadn't died (one of which would be Kaepora).>I'm not even a super fan and I know this shit.I am more of a super fan than you, and I was around for the old timeline debates, so I'm telling you you're making misinformed judgements.
>>750954569But this is fan fiction, not the original work.
>>750988384>you see Morpha literally grab RutoWut?
>>750954803For whatever reason people think that if something is for kids then it's not allowed to have even slightly dark undertones or be too "scary or adult". The opposite is that anything for "mature audiences" needs to have characters constantly swearing and be "morally grey" which usually involves having to kill dogs or "be an asshole" (what Reddit thinks is mature).
>>750959689Plumber man can't catch a break
>>750990004Yes, the "sages are dead" fanfic is fanfiction.
Less is more. But less will NEVER be allowed in a remake. All ambiguity must be removed. Every detail clarified with hand waving exposition. I'm actually glad I was never a huge Zelda fan, but I've certainly been in these shoes before. I was aware of the belief of the sages being dead, but wasn't super invested. Neat idea. Especially in a series that was previously defined by having a quiet somber tone. I appreciated the vague mystery of it. I have come to hate voice acting in video games (I don'teven know if this has it or not). The people that tend to do it are never that good at it, and all I ever needed was lines of text with maybe some garbled noise as the text appears. The lack of spoken dialogue adds to that somber, seriousness of the thing. Californian faggots hamming it up every cutscene takes away from it 100% of the time.
>>750981463What do they eat???
>>750982420Not impossible but when a damsel in distress asks to be saved from a dungeon by the hero and then he doesn't find her there that heavily implies death. "um she's ok and just got out on her own" is much less likely and you must believe the writer put her in danger for no reason other than to toy with the player.
>>750954569Reminder the demake is made by people who had nothing to do with the original. It is fan fiction.
Even in BoTW they threw back to this by having that game's version of the sages die. Now the remake comes out, murders the tone, and with no chance of anyone coming out to declare it as a separate canon or something. They are more likely to do the opposite and say that the remake and OG are the exact same story. If breaking free from this "remake culture" means total industry collapse, and the total erasure of everything, then so be it. I'm fine to see it all go away just to see some new things that aren't derivative l, pale imitations of something better.
>>750993489That doesn't matter when they have the full blessing and backing of Nintendo. The one industry giant that moves with more cohesion than individual studios. Also the same company that let the west take heavy liberties with their "Mickey Mouse of gaming" for his movie debut, and then retroactively changed the game stuff to fit the movie. I don't blame you for wanting to try to section off old Nintendo from Nu-Nintendo, but they have a track record for holding their image longer and better than anyone else. The fact that even they are playing these games is a sign that absolutely nothing is sacred.
>>750992613the remake slop is not canon
>>750994370As much as I wish what you say was true, the will make the new material the MOST CANON.
It was always a dumb theory that made no sense. Why would the good godesses demand multiple human sacrifices? Not to mention no game before or after had anything like that in it, neither the maidens from ALTTP nor the WW sages or the new warriors in BOTW need to die to do their duty
>>750994465They weren't sacrifices to the goddesses. I'm pretty sure it wasn't intended (assuming they actually were supposed to be dead in the OG, which I'm pretty sure they were) that their death was pre-ordained by the goddesses. They weren't killed to become sages. They became sages because they were killed. Because being a spirit is a prerequisite for being sage. Not because of decree by deity, but because that's just how it works. Because somebody that wanted to add a layer of tradgedy to the story probably wrote it to be that way. Obviously now that's all out the window because I am willing to bet that Nintendo will let it be a total retcon if that was how the original truly was.
>>750994667>they werent sacrifices to the goddesses>but they had to be dead to become sagesThat's sacrificing, anon. That's literally what it means, and it still makes no sense. Again, why would it have to be that way when Zelda is a sage but is very much alive, and Rauru can just very much physically fly around as a big owl that can physically carry Link. And once again, this has no precedent in games that came before or after the OG, Medli doesn't need to be dead in WW, Gulley doesn't need to be dead in ALBW, etc etc
>>750955039Made the conflict deeper and the stakes higher. Now it's like a lot of gun games where there sure is a lot of shooting but not a lot of dying.
>>750987856Shot by the soul extraction gun.
>>750954569>harem endingI feel kinda bad knowing that he won but it short lived because he fucking dies in majora's mask
>>750957103>Now in the remake they feed us a line that doesn't really make sense.>How is Rauru able to save the sages, and why did he wait until they were in trouble before doing so? Wouldn't it be preferable to awaken them as sages sooner, so they can begin helping sooner? The explanation smells like a poorly thought out patch over a plot hole. Or rather, Nintendo scrubbing out mature themes again, as they typically do.Ocarina of Time never had a good story. Hope this helps.
OG Ocarina of Time had an issue with not knowing what to do with most locations and NPCs once you were done with their part of the main quest, and the Sages not showing up after their Temple is just one mor aspect of that. Shall I remind you that the fuckin zora's domain remains frozen even after you beat its temple
>>750954569Why the hell would the sages be dead?
>>750978773As a dollfucker, I want to cum on her wooden puppet nose.
>>750978773Thats because it looks like a piece of Toblerone
>>750955917ngl I hated the early stuff I've seen of this game but I love how they stuck to the weird proportions of the original instead of just facescanning debrah wilson for everything. It's really just some weird shader that makes it look a little too glossy for my tastes
>>750978343>And people have been caught buying it online, expecting literally this shit with it.Source? Who was caught?
>>750954569Everyone thought they were dead back in the day, this isn't a theory, the remake has retconned. Don't blame ninty, blame the age ratings bs.
>>750997672No we didn't. I used to play pretend with my friends at the park that we were the Sages and Link after OoT and we all thought they were still alive
>>750997759Well everyone I knew* I was a gifted and talented child btw so I am more qualified to speak also my dog will knock your dog out on the park so watch your back
>>750997821o-okay dude, calm down now...jeez...
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>>750954569Modern Nintendo is a shambling, non-canon loving husk of pussies.
>>750955039There were zero flaws in that theory. Everything Koizumi does points to it and it was left intentionally vague to make the player question it. They're going to suck all the edge and soul right out of MM too and you fags will think just because some of the visuals are spooky that it's still the same because you're the exact kind of subhuman these demakes are made for.
>>750970235>Even though we do see them safe and sound after beating the scary placeNo you don't. You see them as ghosts, and it's even more apparent in the credits when they're flying over everyone and watching Mido and the Zora King depressed over the loss of Saria and Ruto. Everything pointed to them having died without explicitly saying it.
>>750954569Corposlop isn't canon
>>750955039Darunia 100% died facing Volvagia...
>>750997672>Don't blame ninty, blame the age ratings bs.This has nothing to do with age ratings, it's nu-tendo being run by suits and hacks while anyone with any semblance of talent left is doing dick all or thrown into an endless humiliation ritual like koizumi.
Dumbass theory on the same level as Squall dying in FF8
>>750954569They’re “dead” in that they can’t return to the saved future timeline after coming together in the temple of lightThe credits has them watching over the festivities from afar because they are no longer part of the world, just stuck in some kind of spiritual limbo
>>750954569the more I see of this game the more redundant it looks. So far I haven't seen any reason to play this over the original, all the little annoyances from the original being an N64 game are still there.
>>750954569Theres no precedent for it happening, and no mention of it ever being a thing. The narration and cutscenes make sure to delineate every single aspect of what needs to happen and how>we need the three stones, the ocarina and the song to open the door of time>we need all sages to seal ganon>the triforce gets split between three people>etcAt no point are the sacrifices of the sages ever mentioned or even hinted at
>>750994437I can't believe people who sperged about this for months were actually right and noooooticed.
>>750960307>Wind Waker confirmedZelda games can't go five seconds without retconning previous games.
>>750998781In that sense, the remake retconning the original is perfectly within the spirit of the series then
>>750968526This anon is right and the other two were wrong.
>>750998827Shitting on the originals is within the spirits of a remake, yes.
>>750970235>they "retconned it"They did retcon it.
lorefags should get the ropedoesn't matter if it's souls or zelda
>maidens in ALttP and Four Swords do not die to do their thing>sages in WW, TP, ALbW and TOTK do not need to die to do their thing>somehow it is a thing in OoT even though the game never mentions it, hints at it or shows it
Can we talk about the number of time they had to insert DEMON KING into the text?They did it with" hero of time" too to a lesser extent (the final owl dialog changed the "you're an adult" to "you're the hero of time" made me cringe)And I won't mention the other script enshitifications.Do nintendo not have competent writers anymore?
>>750998910>doesn't matter if it's souls or zeldaIt does Zelda has better lore and integrates it into the actual experience far more cleverly
>>750999008Not only do the maidens not die, but the reason they're captive to begin with is because THE BAD GUYS want to sacrifice them. Somehow OoT doing tha exact same thing but its the good guys doing it makes perfect sens for some people
>>750969008Not even N64 Nabooru's nose was this angular, hot damn.
>>750954803Because you keep buying $90 bingslop at 40+ years of age
>>750994259>they have the full blessing and backing of NintendoNintendo is dead there is a company using the name.
>>750969008She looks so hot
>>750955039People that pretend the sages didn't die in the original are brainlets. It was very obviously heavily implied. Nintendo just didn't want to outright state that child murder was happening with Saria, etc.The darker elements of OoT are what made it unique and memorable. Deku tree and sages dying, spooky dungeons and monsters including gory zombies, Ganon nearly winning and turning Hyrule into a hellscape, that guy who more or less suicided in the lost woods, brainwashing and implied torture of Nabooru. It's full of it.
>>750954569You'll never convince me that the sages teleporting to the top of Death Mountain and looking to Hyrule from above + Mido and King Zora sad faces weren't intentional>b-b-but Wind WakerCompletely different writers and developers
>>750960667>>750960021The way i see it, the witches were dead, so was the way for Nabooru to get back to the living world so she did die when they did
where does the theory that they are dead even come from?like they specify that their job is to be sages and to stay there
>>750955623Imagine that nose up your ass
>>750954569man fuck this disgusting art style
>>750957594Correct, which proves making everyone a mutie who can only say "hey" was an intentional artistic choice.
>>750959689Who's Mario?
>>750969819Did...did you play the game anon? The scene litterally shows they're sad because of Saria and Ruto disappearence, people they loved personally and right after that we get a glimpse of both the girls spirits passing through and they react to it
>>750969008Honest to god, I never really though about Nabooru or the Gerudo in that way in the original 64 or 3ds versions. But the way they look now honestly makes me feel horny. I want to nibble and cum on Nabooru's wooden puppet nose desu. Must be the doll fucker in me.
Gotta admit, i love the final boss fight, they even fixed the shit about Navi's fighting together with Link during the fightIn the original, she said they'd fight together but when you use her, she gives you zero advice, saying she has no idea just like the previous fight with ganondorf where she couldnt get info in ganondorf, here she actually gives some
>>751000419In the original you cannot Z-target Ganondorf, but you can Z-target Ganon. I always assumed that's what she meant, since Z-targeting is meant to represent Navi helping Link aim his attacks better
>>751000475>In the original you cannot Z-target Ganondorf, but you can Z-target Ganon.Only played 3DS game, maybe its different from the original but you could target Ganondorf on it but she you ask for info she says the same thing "no idea"
>>751000636Might be, im fairly certain in the original she says theres like a forcefield around him or something. Probably did it so itd be harder to shoot the light arrows at him
>>750954569I don't get why Nintendo is insistent on sanitizing so many things nowadays. Link and Zelda getting a cookie cutter bow and tie happy ending in TotK rubbed me the wrong way too. It's OK to have the heroes come out scathed after a major trial.Shit like OP has me worried about an inevitable Majora's Mask remake. They'll pretty much have to recontextualize the entire game. Can anyone imagine this scene as redone by modern Nintendo? They'll never let it happen in the first place.
>>750954569Good. Back then every game under the sun got this dumbass 'its actually le dark and depressing' reinterpretation that made no sense, like Majora's Mask being Link in hell or whatever
>>750974549I like her but I feel like her milf factor was lowered : (
>>751000059>where does the theory that they are dead even come from?>Rauru is an ancient who built the temple of time long before any of the other characters in the game existed. Implied to be long dead>Saria goes into the forest temple that is full of monsters and phantom Ganon and she is never found>Darunia is literally shown going into Volvagia's room and then is gone when Link enters shortly after>Ruto disappears in the water temple(King Zoro mourns for her afterwards)>Impa, Zelda's protector, is completely absent from the future>Nabooru is teleported away to some unknown fate by evil minons of Ganon>They all appear as teleporting spirits in the end cutscene
>>750989928>The game never says that Raru is KaeporaIt does make sense when you think about it, Child Link met all the 7 sages before pulling the Master Sword, then you deduce Kaepora must be Raru
>>751000865>Impa, Zelda's protector, is completely absent from the futureNo she is not, people in Kakariko mention she left to the Shadow Temple recently, and I'm pretty sure so does Sheik>Nabooru is teleported away to some unknown fate by evil minons of GanonThe witches explicitly say they're gonna brainwash her again, something that would be pretty hard to do if she was dead.
>>751000972>she left to the Shadow Temple recentlyDoesnt that confirm she never came back since they never saw her after going inside?>The witches explicitly say they're gonna brainwash her againKilling the witches might have destroyed her body in the process, since she has no way to return from where she was imprisoned
>>751001114>Doesnt that confirm she never came back since they never saw her after going inside?No, it confirms that she became a sage and her spirit was brought to the Chamber of Sages on the Sacred Realm, which is what happens to every other Sage.
>>751000972>people in Kakariko mention she left to the Shadow Temple recentlyYeah, she died in the shadow temple. My point was that she never left it to return to Zelda and we never see her in the dungeon.>The witches explicitly say they're gonna brainwash her again, something that would be pretty hard to do if she was dead.We don't know where they sent her but it couldn't have been somewhere nice and safe. She was probably lost forever when they were killed which it what is implied
>>751001315>We don't know where they sent herWherever they sent her it's someplace one can survive because they did the exact same thing to her at the end of the first part of the Spirit Temple and she's just fine (if brainwashed) the next time she shows up.
The only sage that is confirmed dead is Rauru since one of the gossip stones pretty much spells out that Gaebora is his reincarnation. Everyone else is pure speculation
>>750954569rauru killed them
>>751001382>because they did the exact same thing to her at the end of the first part of the Spirit Temple and she's just fine (if brainwashed) the next time she shows upThe witches were still alive then obviously. You're ignoring evidence and context just to be stubborn. Believe what you want but I think you're being silly
>>751001308Yeah, but she did die before, its the only explanation as to why we never see the sages when we enter the boss room (since most of them planned to head to that place from their respective temples except nabooru)
>>751001648What evidence? You're just jumping to whatever conclusion is more convenient to the point you want to make. We have no way of knowing if Nabooru was sent to some sort of pocket dimension or simply teleported to some holding cell in the Spirit Temple, and no way to tell.
>>751001382>Wherever they sent her it's someplace one can survive because they did the exact same thing to her at the end of the first part of the Spirit Temple and she's just fine Yeah but the witches were still alive back then, now they're dead, she cant go back, heck destroying twinrova probably destroyed their pocket dimension
>>751001734There's plenty of other explanations as to why that might be, they might've been captured or knocked out, or were defeated by the monster and fled somewhere else in the temple. We also never see a single corpse, death scene or mention of 'oh i died' when you speak to them afterward
>>751001810>probably destroyed their pocket dimensionWhat pocket dimension? These witches live in a huge-ass abandoned temple, why would they need a pocket dimension that we never see or hea
>>751001862Being knocked out or fleeing is too cheap considering the stakes and how much they are serious about their duty, especially when half of them were close to the boss room And when they awaken to their sage duty, they have other stuff to prioritize since it will be their last words to Link (besides Saria)
>>751001896Then where did they transport Nabooru after you fight her brainwashed form? Either that or the same shit Ganondorf did with his Phantom boss
>>751002056>Being knocked out or fleeing is too cheapWhat does that even mean? Sheik gets knocked around like a ragdoll by Bongo Bongo, and Nabooru gets teleported by the witches twice, sages can totally be taken out of the picture through nonlethal means and that is explicitly shown to us, unlike them dying
>>751002148The game does not show us, so it does not matter, but there is no evidence that is a 'pocket dimension' of any sort.
Also, while we're at it, there's a level of evidence that Darunia is still alive during the Volvagia fight, because when the rocks start falling they always fall around Volvagia and not Link, it's particularly easy to see when he's retreating into one of those fire holes on the ground. I always assumed that was Darunia dropping rocks on him from abovehttps://youtu.be/ARmpbhAKPw8?si=X40POytay7y1dCRK&t=110
>>751002202Sheik and Link are alive after that tho unlike Impa
