>wHy Is NiNtEnDo MaKiNg ThEiR gAmEs EaSiEr?
>>751067830why do you post twitter screencaps
Why can't metroid crawl
>taught to use fire for every spiderweb>all of suddenly you can't????????????
>>751067830>trouble hiring aerospace engineers? make the exams easier!
>>751067830never played oot and probably never willwhat are you supposed to do here
link looks small enough that he could slip through the web.
>>751067980>teachers not ensuring students understand the material cut their pay more!
>>751067954>taught to jump on every goomba>all of suddenly you don't can not jump on goomba??????????
>>751067830It's funny because you dont fire...
>>751067954This is the first web and you can't even het fire until you break it.I also don't know if its a Master UI thing but Navi never talks and its great.
WHY CAN'T ZELDA BURN
When playing the OG I kept trying to carry the fire from the torch up the vine climb down there with a Deku stick/trying to roll over it with the burning stick out so it could reach the web.
navi, use fire!
>>751068109master?
>>751068046haven't played in decades but you either have to go up top and jump to tear the web down, or use a deku stick on fire
>>751068109>>751068159*Main UI
>>751067830developers need to become comfortable with letting people fail againracing to the bottom will eventually cut off the top
Why bother making it easier when retards can just google the solution?
>>751068046The web is at the bottom of a spiral tower and at the very top is a big diving board. I quit playing at that point though, I had no idea what to do. :(
>>751068046There's a platform above it shaped vaguely like a diving board. You just jump off the platform on to the web and it breaks
I recall the solution being in the manual and maybe even on the back of the game box. I don't think people had to solve it intuitively back then. Everyone knew ahead. Was also featured in magazines of course.
>>751068046jump from up high to break through
>>751068221This always bothered me. Retards now have access to instant solutions, yet games keep getting easier.
>>751068159>>751068197Theres Normal, Pro, and Master UI. Master removes literally everything and Navi doesn't even pre-emptively fly to targets.
>>751068197>>751068109retard jeet doesn't know what he's talking about again
>>751068085>taugh to shit in the bathroom >all of a sudden mom comes yelling YOU'RE SHITTING YOURSELF ?????????????????
>>751068278they're terrified of people turning off the game
>>751068231kek
why do incels see someone post anything on twitter and then immediately generalize and make retarded assumptions
>>751068278I imagine there's some statistic somewhere saying that players are less likely to refund the game when they can figure it out without a guide
I think its about time people admit that OoT is badly designed and that you're only sucking it off because you were 4 back then and didn't know any better
>>751068231>I had no idea what to doHow were we supposed to know?
>>751068329not yet
>>751067830The reason we have mongoloids playing this game now is because Nintendo enabled them for fucking years.
>>751068159Yes anon?
>>751068462pablo melty
>>751067830
>>751068462it is well designed, but it's designed for 4 year olds
>>751068234it doesn't even make sense because a web that size would easily be able to hold many times a human's weight, even if you jumped from a tall height. Spider's silk has ridiculous tensile strength. Nintendo is fucking retarded AS USUAL.
>>751067830.
>>751068059this is why realistic graphics don't work for me
>>751068085you mean like mario 2?
>>751067830..
>>751068046you climb to the top, navi yells at you about how high up your are and that you should jump on the web. i didn't need to be told what to do back when i was 9 years old. 2 years prior to that, i thought i was mega man.
>>751068620It wasn't spider silk it was parasitic armoured arachnid silk. Very different.
>>751068659retard
>>751067830...
>>751067830Is this the same fag complaining about Kingdom Hearts or I mixed him with someone else?
>>751068713seething because it reminded you of your dilator and buttplugs
>>751068771>complain for decades over HEY LISTEN>complain that you don’t get it
>>751068763sup nigger how are ya doin
>>751068462Why did you post a random picture of a black doctor?
>>751068462>4yo back then could figure it outYou would think it would take more than 20 years to devolve human intelligence this much
>>751068867laughing at retards (You)
>>751067830But if this were an immersive sim fire could be a viable option. Why dont they do that?
>>751068462I was 12 and yes the diving board was obvious. I had more trouble with the Kokiri Sword as I thought the crawlway was purely visual and never investigated it.
>>751068954I was nine and it took me three weeks to get the Kokiri Sword because I was scared of the boulder.
>>751068060Sorry, we needed the budget for pride month and metal detectors.
>>751068462I was 8 when OOT came out
>>751069015yeah i spent hours in kokiri woods as a kid because the monsters in the deku tree scared me
>>751068046this is what confused this person btw
>>751069015That's fair he's pretty intimidating
>>751068462>because you were 4 back then and didn't know any betterObviously we did because we didn't get filtered by the first dungeon, LMAO
>>751067830People on this board are incessantly complaining about the "yellow paint," but than simultaneously post hundreds of reasons why the yellow paint exists. Zoomers are the most retarded peoples in human history. YOU might not need the handholding, but everyone under 25 does, and that's the target audience, whether you like it or not.
>>751068651>got oot on release>never forgot how confusing and frustrating the water temple was>replay oot maybe 10 or 15 years later>get to the water temple>it's actually not a problem at alli still dont know what exactly triggered that memory or why it was so widespread, outside of just being a retarded child.
>>751069264woooooooooooow How was he supposed to know??????
>>751069515There's one water raising/lowering station you have to hookshot to and if you miss it you could be wandering for hours. It's probably lit up like a christmas tree in the remake to make sure zoomoids don't get frustrated and get the grumpy dumpies.
Why can't millenials just admit that they were born and raised at a time where developing critical thinking was not only easier, but necesary for navigating the world during the advent of technology and that younger generations, growing up with technology that's easier to use and designed for less developed minds, didn't need to adapt and as such aren't as capable?
>>751067830thank God From Software exists
>>751069258>>751069015I couldn't see a nine year old doing that today. Things were just different in the late 90s. You could dick around in an area that encompasses 8% of the world map and have fun for three weeks.
>>751067830>tens of millions of ten year olds can figure this out>a few mouthbreathers who are literally dumber than ten year olds and probably get confused trying to figure out how to turn on a hose can't>"Quick, remove anything resembling a game! It's too much for our customers!"
>751069691>low quality baitwhy can't "insert generation here" use computers any better despite using them for their entire lives?
>didn't read the post award>F- in reading comprehension award
>>751069691ebin tranime avatar sis
>>751069691This is true but zoomers and younger generations in general are also faggots.
>>751068046Land on the center after jumping from the top. He probably landed on the side which just bounces you back up.
>>751067830yeah, nobody got past this part when the original came out
>>751067830You might have tarnished this website and your own soul with crappy pictures, but I'm glad to have proof of the cancer that is killing video games
I remember trying to jump from one of the ledges with a burning stick out thinking that the web stretching would get it to touch the fire, since rolling wasn't workingEventually I did the not retarded thing
>>751069691I'll admit that I never take part in these generation conflicts but no more than that.
>>751068462When ocarina of time came out I wouldnt be born for another ten years
>>751070317sorry to hear about your negrofied trannyfication cuh
>>751067918he only come there to show avenge his honour, he's a proud twitter veteran and dislike 4chans calling him names
>>751068059lol
>>751069691This. When boomers complain that zoomers dont know how to do something, its because zoomers DONT HAVE to know how to do it anymore. 95% of clocks are digital now, handwriting itself is essentially obsolete, much less cursive writing, they carry a phone 24/7 so theres no need to remember directions, phone numbers, etc. anymore. If they actually needed to learn these things, they would have
>>751070579>phone dies>bruh, how do i get home?
>>751070376It's "xuh" you fucking chüd
>>751069691>Why don't older people just claim they have better problem solving skills and claim young people have it too easy so they won't develop those skills?Huh? Isn't that how it is now? Isn't that how it always was?Why are you presenting this as an alternative?
>>751070619Why would their phone die? Ever heard of car chargers? They need it to live. A zoomer letting their phone die would be like a normal person letting themselves starve to death
>>751070579The more things you forget how to do on your own, the dumber you become in general. This isn't a meme, it's scientifically proven. By making things more convenient and automatic to get things done quicker we're ironically making ourselves less capable as human beings.
>>751070714>phone dies>so do you
>>751068046>notice the web wibble-wobbles when you walk on it>notice after exploring there's a place on the higher floors you can jump off of to land on web>use power of critical thinking to put 2 and 2 together
>>751069691I remember comedians in the late 90s trying to convince people that your average conservative on the street couldn't find America on a world map or handle basic arithmetic. That's when the left became obsessed with the idea that non-leftists are stupid.The level of problem solving and reflexes needed for some of these games is on par with what's needed to handle basic tasks like driving, finding the grocery store, finding your keys, filling out paperwork, etc. The simplest explanation is sampling bias, probably deliberate in a lot of cases to drum up attention and possibly get funding. No other living generation strikes me as being dumber than the television generation, the boomers.>65 IQs can't-.This isn't the way that the discussion is framed at all.
>>751070731Of course. But nowadays that incapability isnt a disadvantage, its just a fact of life. We're never going to go back to a pre-cell phone, pre-internet society where the total lack of independence zoomers have would actually affect them negatively
>just watched 30 seconds of zfg playingWait you REALLY can't have 2 different items assigned at the same time? You HAVE to use the BoTW/ToTK time freeze scrolling menu to switch items every single time? And this is the game where they also removed the need for a different button by making target and shield share a button? Why???
>>751069691Because we have critical think skills and understand that a single reddit tweet being reposted on /v/ is not indicative to the population at large.
>>751070923>pic relatedYou don't have to sign your post.
>>751069691Simple, because zoomers think they are human like the rest of us.
>>751070915>You HAVE to use the BoTW/ToTK time freeze scrolling menu to switch items every single time?It actually boggles my mind that they haven't made it a circle at the very least. This is very basic solved UI shit and Nintendo is still fumbling it.
>>751070915>controllers have more buttons than ever>can only map one tool to ZR>numerous buttons don't do anything at all>button wasted on dedicated jump button
>>751070619This does actually happen to people because they're just that dumb and complacent. Not only that, but even if they're smart enough to ask for directions or borrow someone else's phone to call a ride or look up a map they're too socially stunted and/or afraid to ask for various reasons.
>>751070915engine was directly lifted from botw they didn't want to use dev time to add multiple items or autojumping
>>751067830You should instinctively jump on the web from above because it looks sproingy and fun
>>751071059They've done circle before too.Twice.
>>751071083Auto jumping is still in the game.
>>751069264I mean I get it, most games teach you that jumps kills you 90% of time. This isn’t really that hard to figure out on your own. But if I wanted to idiot proof this without making it obvious I would put a small forced drop before hand with a spider web at the bottom to show that webs negate fall damage
>>751071175So why are they regressing? Is it just malice at this point?
>>751071227Modern games are made by dumber people, for dumber people.
>>751068308>>751068314https://www.theserverside.com/feature/Why-GitHub-renamed-its-master-branch-to-main
>>751071316Modern games are made by people who don't play them for nobody.
>>751068046>>751067830@NINTENDOLAWYERS!!
>>751071316Modern games are made by malicious jews and their pets for people who don't play games.
>>751071227More or less yeah.Editing the botw engine to support those functions would require dev time / tokens that nintenjew definitely does not want to pay for.
>>751069264>The remake literally persuades new players away from the solution by adding a "hint" that instills caution when the solution is essentially disregarding caution.Im honestly not sure this is entirely the fault of zoomers.
>>751071201Navi says something like "springy" as you walk over the web. It deforms showing that it just about handles your weight. When you jump from the lower platform, one that wouldn't kill you, you're hinted that it's almost there and the web deforms more. That jump is the end of the path and even gives a button prompt.There's multiple steps that bring the player to a conclusion that jumping is how they break through.
>>751070915That's gonna suck for the MM remake if they don't make the Great Fairy sword a normal sword.
>>751067830This is why you should never cater to the "QoL" crowd. Because it's never enough.
>>751071712>MM remakeshan't be even watching that trash knowing they'll be removing the timer
>>751068060>give more school funding>it all goes to administrators and crony contractorswaow how child stil keep getting stupider?????? we need mor funding
>>751071745>they keep the timer>you can rewind and go forward to any hour
Unrelated but I don't like puzzles that don't show you all the pieces or it's not explicitly stated or shown that you can even solve it yet. I'm fine with figuring out a puzzle when I know what's all involved. I don't want to have to figure out what a puzzle piece is or if I have everything needed or not.For example, if you have arrange 5 statues to open some kind of ancient door, but apparently the statues had to be enchanted first by some other character you have to bring along, you needed some ancient amulet you get later in the story. Something stupid that will cause you to waste time arranging shit over and over again that you couldn't have possibly solved.
>>751072074are there even any like that in ocarina of time? i've played the game on auto-pilot since the 2000s at this point, so i don't remember if anything like that exists.
>>751068596?? the bottom image seems to show disconnected platforms for you to jump across just like the top does?
>>751072126No idea, never played. Just figured I'd give my two cents on puzzles.
>>751072185beep boop
>>751069691Why can't you just face the reality that the average zoom-zoom is a room-temperature idiot that can't even operate a can-opener?
>>751069691>Young people were never taught these skills>Therefore we shouldn't teach them these skills
>>751072074The closest example I can think of in a LoZ game is in Wind Waker. When you're fighting the boss in the volcano you're supposed to grapple the dragon's tail, but you're not in range to do that at ground level. iirc the game didn't point out the platforms above that would put you in range.
>>751069515It's kinda. Pain in the butt if you don't do it in one sitting since it resets dungeon but you keep the items so you have to basically retrace your steps anyways or wander around trying to figure out what you did. If you do it in one sitting it's fine
>>751071336kys
>>751072074I adore "bad game design" and being "able" to solve a puzzle down to 99% completion but just missing some bs piece that's not even hinted at sounds awesome.Sadly, Zelda does not have these.
>>751067830people forget that nintendo heavily playtests their games with mouth breatherswhenever you see a puzzles becoming easier, know that there is a human somewhere, that somehow couldn't do it and they had to change itwhy cater to these idiots? because apparently they buy games and you don't
>>751069691>Y-YOU JUST HAD IT EASIER BECAUSE IT WAS HARDER BACK THEN SO YOU DEVELOPED THE SKILLS TO OVERCOME IThuh
>>751067830This is the results of games prioritizing graphics over interactivity for the last two decades, no shit people don't think of using the fire to light up the deku sticks, fire is just decoration on every single game that zoomer has ever played.
>>>/twatter/, tendietroonAlternatively, use your containment board>>>/vp/
>>751069691Yes we are better. Already knew that but thank you.
>>751067919That was legit the first question I had for Dread, where the Morph ball is the FOURTH unlock.Baffling decision to try to break sequence skipping.
>>751067830>nintendies smartest fanboy
>>751069691Because why do we need to? We know Zoomers are retards. I work with Zoomers, I know Zoomers can't handle computer systems. They're the reason I have job security. You don't need me to admit shit.
>>751069691Are you a millennial creating a strawman?You're essentially saying millennials should act superior because zoomers are objectively less capable, instead of presenting the possibility that zoomers are also capable of learning critical thinking If given the opportunity. Or are you just a defeatist zoomer?
>>751073375You're very close to getting the point. The answer is in your own post, even.
It’s actually a fair question because physics didn’t exist in video games until 2000
>>751073573it's not physics it's a hardcoded interactionin the original, if you jump attack with a broken deku stick, the web does not break even if you jumped off diving board
>>751069264I dont remember this jump in the original.
>>751073551If your point was to imply zoomers would be capable of learning problem solving skills if they had a reason to, you shouldn't have used the context of a thread defending the idea of dumbing games down for modern audiences.It reads as the opposite. As if you're saying there's no reason zoomers need to be challenged and that problem solving is an archaic skill made superfluous by technological convenience.
>>751071596>game indicates that the height of this ledge is significant>anon somehow reads that as a warning to ignore the ledgeno anon, i don't think its the devs problem if retards actually get this wrong.
>>751067830I never knew you could apparently use fire on it. I believe I just jumped down with a forward slash, assuming it would just break my fall, and it ripped. Although you're forced to burn some webs to climb up in the first place.
>>751068118Fire Tunic
>>751073974You're close enough to getting it now that I'll just tell you. It's both.
>>751074080I mean I didn't have that warning as a kid and I just jumped.
>>751068231How do I fuck this girl?
>>751073851Because it was built into the game so well, you naturally progressed through it like it wasn't even a puzzle.
>>751074213Anon, I presented two opposing views. You either want people to nurture their critical thinking by challenging them, or you submit to the idea that our age of convenience makes critical thinking a passe notion. There's no "both".
>>751067830>65.000 views>117 replies(guaranteed 90% blue checkmark bots)>199 likesLMAO musks pedoonazi shithole is so fucking dead and botted.
>>751071670“Springy” part would help, walking over it and seeing it deform not so much, there are games that have details like this that does not mean it would automatically hold true gameplay wise. The lower jump runs into the same issue as the top jump in that people are trained not to jump off ledges in games unless it’s the only obvious option forward like a tunnel for example
>>751074420You're talking to a bot or a 75 IQ brown who doesn't have a point, and is only looking to extract more responses from (You).
>>751068308>>751071336nice try jeet but your lie is too obvious and your izzat is in the negativesyour family will have to pay that debt across multiple generations
>>751074420They're not opposing views, they're both solid facts. There is nothing that necessitates kids these days learning critical thinking. However they are capable of learning critical thinking and should be challenged to do so. However they also ultimately gain nothing in doing so given the current progressing trends.
>>751074529Yes, Twitter was never botted. Now, turn around and say death to Israel.
If a 4 year old could figure this out 20 years ago there's no excuse for an adult to have trouble today. Individuals are just stupid sometimes.
>>751069691>Zoomzooms admit that they're subhuman non-sapient drones incapable of thinkingIs this what the kids call a flex
>>751073015You can sequence break to get morph and bombs early, though, and they even programmed in unique animations during the Kraid fight for if you did.
>>751075442>IndividualsSo true, ZOG-kun.
>>751075739Would you fail this puzzle because this person did? Are you a hivemind? Or is it more likely they are retarded
Zoomers and gen alpha are retards that need yellow paint to survive IRL.Curse vishnu btw.
>>751067830This is some lame engagement bait
>>751075814I'm just commenting on your choice of words, nothing more.
>>751067830a child would just keep playing and mess around and eventually find what to do this guy thinks he knows the solution and then gets mad that the game doesn't hand it to him
>>751075442Manchildren never grew up.
>>751067954that the first web in the game, you don't get taught that they burn until you progress past thereif you played the game, you might have known that
>>751068462>walk into the very first room of the the dungeon>see hole with web>"ah yes, this must be the exit">can't get past the web>ignore the rest of the room and give up
Imagine zoomers playing portal >.<
I never want to hear tendies complain about yellow paint again, when they can't even beat a 30 year old N64 game without handholding and constant hints.
>>751075159That's not "both" presented views, that's simply the latter. You believe that our age of convenience makes critical thinking a passe notion.Just because you think younger people COULD have their problem solving skills cultivated through challenges doesn't mean you think they SHOULD.>they also ultimately gain nothing in doing soSo from you're point of view, inserting challenge into a video game is an archaic force of habit.
>>751069739Harder access to video games back then meant you could have fun with anything, and games could be made harder / more challenging even for kids because you had the time and motivation to break themNowadays a game that takes too long to engage you is dead on arrival, there's so much to choose from
>>751071745I actually wonder how they are going to handle the saving system if they ever remake it.
>>751069691does it change the fact that zoomers are retarded or just excuse it?
>>751069264This would probably make me second guess myself too.Instead of just taking the fastest route back down after exploring the upper platforms, I'd be like>Oh fuck, is it a fatal drop from here?
man every new game release is like that now huh? full of retarded niggers posting their shit on xitter and baiting to get likes and replies and zoomers think it's all real and parrot the same shit IRL without thinking. It's so tiresome.
>>751067830Does the web at least wobbles when you walk on it? I also feel like it was an anintuitive design
>>751076787wobbles like a motherfucker, at least on the original
>>751068046you have to buy the Break The Web amiibo to continue in the N64 days you needed a code from nintendo power
>>751075863...what should he have said?
>>751074529grim
