>Japanese otaku market>most popular franchise is KoreanBA's domination over comiket is embarrassing...
>>751248492>2nd biggest>vtuberits so over
>>751248492I don't think you can call something as mainstream as comiket otaku anymore.
>>751248579It's being attended by smelly otaku nerds, it's just there happens to be tons of them in Japan, I don't see the issue.
Gooks pretending BA isn't completely carried by Japan is pathetic.
>>751248492have you seen japanese games lately? what the fuck is there to be a fan of?
BA is very astrosurfed, those doujinshi/fanarts are mostly on commission
ACTIVATE THE KOREAN MICRODICK GRIPPER! HURRY!
>>751249502People love to say this because of that one incident with a guy posting fanart before an alt was announced, when in reality, every single gacha does the same.Blue Archive isn't even considered to be a flagship title by the people running it, there's no way this dominant was bought using commissions.
Lolis sell.Developers take notes.
>>751249571I don't understand why koreans in particular get triggered by it.
>>751248492Japan likes loli, nothing more to it.
>>751248492BA is Japanese, the character names, voice actresses, and art style are Japanese. There is no Kim or Seong or Hwang there.
>Korean>look inside>it's japanese styletotal cultural dominance
>>751249779Another misconception about Blue Archive. There are three middle school aged characters, an equal number of 18 year old students, and the entire rest of the cast are JKs. For every "loli coded" character like Kisaki, you have 5 or more normal teenagers.
>>751248492Fuck off.
>>751249708As you said, there is just no organic reason for BA to be huge, none.Game is meh and old, anime was meh, girls are whatever, the fucking doro memes are the only mainstream thing they got.No way they can be bigger than huge jap franchise like fate, the idol sport stuff with still popular games and the literal biggest female streamers worldwide doing "anime girl but real, also a idol".
>>751248492Modern otaku culture is Idols and gacha. Yes that includes japanese speaking people. The world will never go back, you need to cope.
>>751248492>BAWasn’t it confirmed they were paying artists to make doujins but when the game came out it bombed?
>>751250043Doro isn't even from Blue Archive.>no organic reason for BA to be hugeWhat organic reason is there for touhou to be huge? Or chuubas? That argument is empty, it doesn't mean anything. People really just like the characters and setting.I think Blue Archive's popularity can be explained, at least partially, by its art style. I believe most people on /v/ are familiar with the phenomenon of Genshittification, which is championed by China. Meanwhile, BA's characters are much simpler but easily recognizable. There aren't as many games that fit that sweet spot of simplicity in design. And if you look at Astrae Oratio, you'll see that it follows this design direction, too.
>>751248492Should nexon really be spending that much on commissioning doujins when the game's revenue is cratering to shit?
>>751250120>modern otaku is a simp paypigyeah i agree
>>751249708It's also like, sure Blue Archive makes a ton of money, but not>buying out all the artists all the timemoney. And if that is how it consistently worked, wouldn't it sometimes just completely flip to some other gacha game, because they "paid more this time"?
>>751250693Always has been.
>>751248492>troomahaven't seen anyone playing that shit IRL
>>751248492>when your circle rolls up to Comiket with its latest Blue Archive doujin
>>751248492>kantai collection that high>azur lane that lowdid kancolle get a revival?
>>751248492>Touhou so low...>sixth biggest oneStill seems great considering how old it is and how little it has going on in terms of gaining more popularity, meaning that is mostly core audience. Or maybe I'm out of touch and there is actually constantly new Touhou content. That Azur Lane is still on there is also crazy. You know what will never be on there? Azur Promilia.
>>751251148>Or maybe I'm out of touch and there is actually constantly new Touhou content.You are, Reitaisei is the main Touhou doujin event
>>751248492The Gacha market has become extremely competitive
>>751250717Precisely. Those gacha earning charts are mostly speculation and guess work but, by every metric that can be grasped, Blue Archive is not even among the most profitable gachas.
>>751249708According to the antis, BA is simultaneously losing money but also has all the money in the world to pay artists
>>751248530You gotta stop letting your bias for that entire concept be controlled by the>we have vtubers at homewestern knock-off version. If my first contact with it was twitchfag streamers trying to co-opt a streaming trend in the most soulless half-assed way possible to just do more twitchfag content with it, I'd hate it too, so I get it.
>>751250920>did kancolle get a revival?No, it just keeps on doing what it has been doing for years. AL on the other hand is falling, the artists have moved onto other gachas
>>751251397i just hate streaming in general. it's so uninteresting.
Based nexon paying for all these loli doujins, kek. Every time, it's okay to hate BA but don't go seething like this.
>>751249907Like it or not it's Korean
>>751251148I think that the most impressive thing is not the fact that Azur Lane is still there, but that >>751250920 Kantai Collection is and sitting higher than AL.Kancolle is a relic of a bygone era. All the factors that led to Azur Lane eclipsing it are still there, like being JP exclusive and browser only, the shitty artists lineup, all of that is still in Kantai Collection. Yet, Azur Lane came and went but KC is still going.It didn't get a revival, it's just sitting in place while AL is dying.And isn't it wild that something like Girls und Panzer can still make the list?
>>751251148Touhou has its own dedicated events and the biggest touhou event is Reitaisai.
>>751248492Kpop is more popular than Jpop. They exported their obscure hobbies to expand the market only to later get bested at it. Student beating the Master and all that.
>>751248492BAbros...
>>751251592Perhaps these new popular gacha will end up like AL as well. Super popular but not as long lasting as Kancolle.
>>751251496Based and fair take.
>>751251397Are you trying to make a case about how "JP chuubas are actually so much better"? Because they aren't. It's still just streamers with an anime girl avatar.By itself, the concept is not a problem. The issue with chuubas is that otaku have chosen to transplant the concept of idol worship into chuuba fandom, wholesale. That shit is poison for a man's soul because it poses as wholesome while being moraly deviant. And they somehow exported that to the west, and now we have white people who actually think that the entertainer is their girlfriend and so, she must never ever interact with a male or say anything that proves she ever had contact with a male.>>751251723Breaking into the gacha market is very tough because you need to wrestle market share away from people who have a very profound sense of sunken cost. If you look at the gacha demographic, you'll see that they can broadly be split into two groups. Players who once played Genshin, and players who once played Fate/GO. Smaller, newer games grow from market share that the big ones lose over the years, and as much as I like Blue Archive, it's starting to look like it's starting to lose its players to other games, though it will stay relevant for a long, long time still.
>>751248579As long as there's lolis then it is otaku
>>751251592>And isn't it wild that something like Girls und Panzer can still make the listI mean, it got a film last month and they're getting a new VN from MAGES. I think Kancolle having the staying power that it does is a lot more impressive.
>>751249989Well supposedly it's the biggest loli gacha there is currently.
>>751251895>That shit is poison for a man's soul
>>751251717Clearly the only way to stay afloat is for them to make an official eroge
>>751251895That parasocial thing has always been there on twitch and celeb worship before you've learned "le evil idol culture"
>>751251385anon losing money and spending it unwisely are not mutually exclusive
>>751248492comiket is simply a trend indicator among artists that want to sell for a quick buck, they don't actually follow the source material for the most part, like when a genre fad drops, either zombies, battle royales or friendslopsit's just that no other franchise has surged in japan to displace it yet because japanese IPs are stagnant and Japanese game development lags behind Chinese and Korean industries, and other gacha IPs also have not managed to become memetic eitherin picrel for example, the same characters are popular again despite new ones being released since the last comiket, so they failed to capture interest and artists just are using the same trend to sell the little booksby the japanese own admission the game is not good so its popularity will plummet once another thing becomes trendy to sell the fan made merch
>>751251717>gachafag schizo babbling
>>751251148Touhou has had massive surges in popularity over the past few years mostly from kids in Japan. 40% of the popularity poll voters are under 20 now and that's not counting the kids that don't vote on that. Touhou doujin releases are also mainly in reitaisai and have been for a while
>>751251973It is honestly not.>>751251963If you look at that list, you'll see that it's filled with IPs that are designed to take your attention on a daily basis. That's the core of gacha design, really. Make people log in every day, make them see fanart on social media, keep the game alive and relevant in the minds of players. If you've played a gacha, you know what I mean. It lives outside of the game most of the time.And then you have GuP that's just a very popular manga/anime that happens to have a few games and movies. It's popular, but it's fundamentally different from everything else in the list (except for Gundam, but that's a juggernaut of an IP).>>751252098Yes, simps have always been a thing, but it was an unsightly thing. Chuubas dress up the uglyness into a cute, neat little package that, again, looks wholesome while being profoundly deviant.
>>751252223What is better then?
>>751248492>LoveLive still exists
>>751252245Talking to wome
>>751251973>Well supposedly it's the biggest loli gacha there is currently.
>>751252223>And then you have GuP that's just a very popular manga/anime that happens to have a few games and movies...including a gacha that's been going on for over a literal decade now.
>>751248492Can't wait for the new loli doujin
>>751251592>>751251723Having played a lot of Azur Lane I think it's very much a product of its time, like I started playing it (from the beta btw), because Kantai Collection wasn't an option and I happened upon art of Graf Zeppelin and loved the whole Iron Blood mecha shark motive. But not only is the game out-of-date (I mean it's still a classic png collector gacha and the actual gameplay is pointless), in my opinion the designs kinda fell off. There are still some bangers now and then, but from what I'm seeing from my Iron Blood's occasionally, it's mostly just dragon succubus now. They also moved further away from the concept that sizes of shipgirls directly correlated to their ship type, and that lolis got a lot less fanservice content irked me a bit, because I like everything, but just getting every flavor of titcow gets boring after a while.
Nips sure love to brag and gloat about their honorable culture and then backstab themselves. Bunch of hypocrites.
>>751252257It'll fade out eventually since it no longer has any games, no new anime is in production and its idol groups have been reduced to just a handful and like a lot of idolshit made in the 2010s it was not built to last, its just that it was forced to live the longest out of it all.
>>751252223You seem like some uninformed guy who is trying to dress it with long paragraphs
>>751248492I feel like vtubers are boosted by the additional perverted appeal of it being an avatar used by a real person.
>>751252245It would be better if people had an understanding that the avatar on the screen is not an anime girl, it's a real woman who's probably 30 years old and has sucked just as many cocks. This is an issue caused by the fans, really.These chuuba agencies were created in the mold of celebrity agencies in Japan, so they're partially responsible for this phenomenon, since they applied the same logic to an entirely new type of entertainer.>>751252387Almost every show has a gacha, but nobody plays those.>>751252520I disagree. The people who enjoy chuubas the most are the ones who most strongly disassociate the avatar from the idea that a living person is behind it.
>>751252414agreed, it has changed quite a bit since it's release. Another thing that has changed is the fact that they swayed away from making "historically accurate" shipgirls
>>751251592That is because Kantai is a national product and pride for the japanese.Typemoon aka Fate, FGO, is also still there and that game still makes a lot of money it just lost trend status but its core loyal fanbase is still large and strong meanwhile Azur Lane being a foreign product and having a really weak game and story plummeted way harder, so the core fanbase it retained after all this time is that low in the chart
>>751252414AL has this issue too where nothing its trying out is really that impressive anymore, there are far more perverted games, there are games with much better, consistent designs and with skins that are easier to get or not as ridiculously expensive. Its coomer appeal is lost in the fact it keeps focusing on a handful of designs out of a roster of hundreds + whatever new botes come out and that most of the designs are barely even subtle about their erotism and the skins always go all out with the same few flavors of ecchi (bikini, nightwear, some sort of latex shit), its boring. And to top it off it barely attempts to tell a story worth selling its characters with, most gachas have shit stories but they at least try to make their new characters do things that make you think "wow this is cool i should get this girl/dude", AL doesnt have that.
>>751251397>whores taking advantage of lonely incels: ...>whores taking advantage of lonely incels, Japan: SUGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOI!!!!!
>>751252365This seems pretty meaningless when you can easily put a bunch of the 16 and 17 year olds into the loli category, because I can guarantee you the appeal of characters like Hina and Iroha isn't them being teenage schoolgirls.
You people really gotta just start your own conventions instead of crying that the biggest comic convention in the world will be taken over in two more weeks.Nobody will ever even make threads about the cons anywhere else.Every year the same talking points, every year 90%+ of the convention deliberately ignored because you can't come up with braindead metrics to spread about it.
>>751248492other games would be at the top if they simply appealed to actual straight men too
>>751252439Whatever happened to that one Ikizulive thing? I thought it was supposed to get an anime this year/next year.
>>751252609>they swayed away from making "historically accurate" shipgirlswait, seriously? wasn't that a big part of the appeal?
>>751252769Hina and Hoshino are petite flats but they don't have what I'd consider to be loli bodies. Both are presented as cool and aloof, never as childish girls. Even the Game Development Club, which has been acknowledged in-game as being "full of little girls", isn't even THAT loli coded.But even if you add all these petite flat characters, the number of curvy JKs would still be the large majority.
>>751248492What's embarassing are the lengths for which certain gachafags whiteknight for their gamba corner of choice, even when gacha system nerfs like picrel happen (you're up next 2moro, Global)>>751252179He's got a point though, at least a few gachafags can stop pretending they ever gave a shit about """games""" of this kind if it wasn't for the porno-tangent fan production
>>751248492azur lane could be doing numbers but they have long abandon the most important audience
>>751253064The changes to the gacha are actually coming today. The free rolls are after maintenance.
roll for sagsuki
Next year is going to be interesting
>>751252145It's a shame how some girls get relegated to side-characters or will only appear alongside others.Obviously they can make doujins about whichever character they want but they must realise if 50 people make one for Kei then works will bury each other. If one author makes something for someone seen less often like Mashiro or Renge, that book will get more attention.
>>751252715>watch cute anime girl live and free on the internet>AAIIIIEEEEE I'M GETTING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OFF!! SAVE ME STREAMER BROMAN!!!Just don't be retarded, it's that easy.>b-but they aren't real anime girls, there is a 3d w-w-whore behind that avatar!You mean just like in regular anime? Again, just don't be retarded about it.
>>751253256What does Fareidolia's gameplay look like? Astrae looked okay but then revealed that it has Honkai Star Rail gameplay on top of being WEAPON GACHA, and I immediately lost interest.>>751253275I think it's more about making books for characters that they like. Choosing who you're going to draw for comiket is probably not too different from when people dickroll on gachas for characters they know are bad.But yes, I'd love more Mashiro.
>>751253256>no pc client in current year for Astrae OratioWhy are the Japanese like this? It's like they want all the money taken from their table.
>>751252968As you had said earlier the designs have changed through time. I still think they try to make them "accurate" but it just feels less important now. There have also been some dramas like the Anson drama about ship designs which seems like yostar randomly assigns names on some characters like manchester for example, but as of lately i'm not sure if they made any similar mistakes
>taking the opinion of a retard that doesn't know that Touhou's main convention is Reitaisai seriously
>>751253506Fareidolia is some pseudo turn based real time strategy game, and we are not escaping from weapon banners from that one either, that's how things will be from here on out thanks to hoyo>>751253518that game is also korean, Japs are not making anything noteworthy these days
Will get into BA once it gets the granblue treatment and they release a real game for it.
>>751253661Even if you played Relink because its good Granblue the gacha is unplayably bad
>>751253256Fareidolia looked way too barebones to be coming next year, though it's probably better from the Blue Archive perspective if it does end up failing so
>>751253661With the split from Yostar, that might actually happen.
>>751253137>heavy gun holstered in tiny bikini panties, pulling the string downWhen AL still had that cute and funny soul
>>751248492Jap media is completely alien from the quality and edge it used to haveGay lame superficial shite
>>751253157>revenue already cratering>the gacha changes weren't even applied yetbruh
>>751253696Also played versus, those two are very high quality and I like how they both give you a summary about the gacha's initial plot, which I assume is very contrived.
>>751253640>that game is also koreanWow, so the money was already taken from their table. They have to step up their loli anime game again, it's a tragedy.
This was the last subculture japanese gacha to have a serious shot at becoming a hit.
>>751252365Well it's in the top 2 then.
>>751249779BA don't even have the best lolis
>>751253064>He's got a point though, at least a few gachafags can stop pretending they ever gave a shit about """games""" of this kind if it wasn't for the porno-tangent fan productionGOOD. Everyone should only care about the characters and the art. Imagine simping for a gacha company.>noooo gacha devs, the chart says your game is le failing! Plllease stop supporting artists and go back to extracting as much money as possible out of lonely people with the least amount of effort!
>>751254051Every kodaka project that is not Dangan is doomed to fail.
>>751253064>even when gacha system nerfs like picrel happenthat's just one thing, the game has been getting pounded to dust over drama back to back, baggies are just the biggest slurpers imaginable
>>751248492What makes blue archive good anyway? Tried it at launch and the gameplay is just an autobattler which is very dated especially these days. Tried doing bond stories but most of the students are just walking stereotypes.
>>751254051>temu DanganronpaSurely not>>751254121>Plllease stop supporting artistsIt's not really though, is it? It's not like they receive a cut from doujin sales. Unless...
>>751254078mogged by BA lolis
honkai is like on its third game, meanwhile japs are still playing flashplayer looking NTR fueled crap like FateGo Update your shit, japbros
>>751251148The gap between Comiket & Reitaisei on Touhou gets wider every year. Even Reitaisei Fall is bigger for Touhou at this point. I think Touhou artists just don't see the doujin spirit in the franchises they have to sit next to anymore, and you can't really blame them.
>>751254214>most of the students are just walking stereotypes.that's the appeal, they are just sex dolls people can self insert their headcanon into without issues
>>751252245he wants people to watch pewdiepie on youtube
>>751254214the game is a non factor, the only thing that matters is porn and memes, you said it yourself>are just walking stereotypes
>>751254214that the issue everything else literally cant compete with something that simple
>>751253696Granblue's actual gameplay is fun it's everything around it that's annoying. I enjoyed building teams and getting equipment grids up and running
>>751248492>1110 booths wasted on SFW trash
>>751254282There's been a lot of circles in all doujin spheres that have moved away from comiket since it's become so crowded and commercialized. There's dedicated events for doujin music, original comics, specific niches like shoujo manga etc. all over the place now that a lot of the more doujin spirit minded folks gravitate towards. Like you can't stop and chat to a vendor in comiket that's just not gonna happen. Smaller events are just way better for people that want the actual community
>>751254402hard to compete when you don't have a megacorp with gook gubmint money mass-sponsoring doujins
>>751252145no pale and brown maidsSHIT TASTE AS ALWAYS
>>751253916It's hard to say if they are cratering becaus, again, those gacha charts are Trust Me Bro sourced. The reception to the gacha changes were VERY negative but, from their perspective, it doesn't make the system significantly more profitable. The odds of getting a character at all are statistically higher, it's only worse if you want multiple copies of a given character, but most people just don't play the game like that.>>751254214It's a Visual Novel, people got hooked by the story and world building. At release it was nothing special.
>>751254462Shit like this is what has killed comiket for a lot of folks. The doujin sphere isn't about giving you titulation and a fresh batch of porn every 6 months. It's about people coming together to create art they are passionate about in all sorts of mediums and expressions
>>751254546>It's a Visual Novel, people got hooked by the story and world building. At release it was nothing special.I legitimately haven't seen a single soul that gives a shit about BA lore or even talks about it beyond like 2-3 generic shounenshit "aura farming" moments.
>>751253305>3D whoreBold of you to assume it’s actually a woman you’re simping to. Lmao.
>>751249779Not everyone is a gooner
>>751254214I played it simply to better understand the characters and enjoy the fan material more.You play it for the VN stuff more than the actual game and don't need any monetary investment to get that.Some characters are stereotypes but others have more to them.
>>751254546>it's only worse if you want multiple copies of a given characterwell exactly, accompanied with the new eleph packs, it's more predatory for whales that want to max a student fast and compete in GA/TA, this will eventually trickle down onto the lower spenders, people don't see the silver lining yet because it's not apparent to them
>>751254612to be fair it's very hard to really have a sense of community when most people putting up booths are just there to cash in their nexon paycheck
>>751254647BA threads are like that. Not the "post gacha girl" ones, the actual Blue Archive threads.>>751254726I wish the gacha rules wouldn't change but I don't think it's a particularly bad exchange. The new system lets you carry pity progress forward unto the next banners, which fundamentally changes how we think of spending Pyroxene. The current system is designed in a way where, unless you have enough to go all the way to pity, you shouldn't roll, no matter what, because you can come out with literally nothing. But with the new rules, if you want a character, you can just roll what you have, and even if you don't get it, you haven't actually wasted your currency.
I still love my big tiddy boats and will until AL dies for good. There's just something about them which shit like BD2, Nikke or other coom gachas are lacking.
>>751254728Well yeah which is why other events are becoming more and more popular. Touhou split mostly off with reitaisai like over a decade ago and the amount of people bringing original or out there interesting things to comiket has kept falling consistently. Why would you with some super autistic specific art you've made go to comiket where no one has time to stop and look at what weird shit you've made? You're not gonna be able to chat with people about your autism project either since everyone is rushing to the next target on their premade shopping list
>>751254968>But with the new rules, if you want a character, you can just roll what you have, and even if you don't get it, you haven't actually wasted your currency.there's a problem if you get what you want your pity counter goes back to zero, so rolling everything you have is not recommended either, you are still better off saving for FES and going all out in it
>>751254546>The reception to the gacha changes were VERY negative but, from their perspective, it doesn't make the system significantly more profitable.Which raises the question of why they changed it at all. Despite all the math coping, they would only change it for their benefit, not anyone else's.
someone missed math class with Kim
>>751254612I love porn and all but I feel bad for people who never get to experience reading fan doujinshi and taking part of the culture because that's where a lot of the fun is. I wish people these days could go back and experience the Type Moon community when the memes first started coming out and when sites like Gaku Animal Land are where translations popped up
>>751255079Yes, that's the drawback. You can get the character on your 19th 10-pull and end up with no pity.>still better saving for FESThat's always the case because of higher rates but you still need to roll for limiteds. The good part of the change is that you can actually think of doing so without having a full spark.>>751255195The whole thing is a net negative. They communicated VERY badly. But like the other Anon said, this is about making more money on stuff that isn't the gacha. They want to sell you eleph packs now.Their real strategy is probably to try and retain friendliness so that they can keep making a killing on the physical merch, but they handled that announcement so badly that it backfired.Kicking off Yostar was such as ???? move as well. They were the ones doing all the extra soulful stuff like the mini videos.
>>751251397I'd rather be playing the fucking video GAME than be watching it NIGGER
>>751253696>Granblue the gacha is unplayably badI can't imagine anyone getting into Granblue after all the drama and nonsense it's had since. Seriously, a Valentine's unit where the girl just lusts over a different dude? GBF has fallen over the past 5 years.
>>751248492In other words, Korean games only appeal to otaku in Japan.They're kind of like what we call “doujin games” in Japan.
>>751248492And now let's see Blue Archive's monthly revenue
>>751252439>no new anime is in productionOne is airing in two months
>>751255484>this is about making more money on stuff that isn't the gacha>Kicking off Yostar was such as ???? move as well.You answered your own question before you asked it
>>751255826Yostar was a positive on the game. Losing them is going to hurt in the long run.
>>751254462Sure because it's better to have 80% of your booths be porn
>>751255826>>751255484isn't their best selling merch the chocopuni plushies? and those are already under nexon's jurisdiction
>>751255436I love wakaruman
>>751255909That's not what I've been hearing
the game sucks and the porn is bad and there's way too much of it
>>751255717>They're kind of like what we call “doujin games” in Japan.Wrong, most of them are not indie.
>>751251148>and there is actually constantly new Touhou content.Having a 1 year gap helps, also the unoficial gacha also helps, kinda
>>751256301It helps that a lot of the old fan creators are still around and making stuff too. Beatmario, IOSYS, Sound Holid, everyone still makes Touhou stuff.
>>751255484Nexon split from yostar so they can exploit the merchandise profits, it's just that simple, the game doesn't make that much to justify giving a cut to Yostar
>>751254702There is very little loli gooner stuff.There needs to be more gooner stuff.
>>751256497Is telling that 90% of these people are the ones doing music instead ilustrations
>>751257038Reimu should be AI generated to show ZUN's true vision
ah yes comic marketthe drawn child porn convention
>>751255484I wish girls were real
