I just don't get how the world and characters are somehow even more bland than the first game. everything else is fine, I guess a couple more classes would have helped.
The pawns also repeat themselves too GOD DAMN much

He means he didn't make it soulless

>>751305504
>>751305652
Thoughts on crimson desert?

>>751305504
he’s seething about Nintendo huh?

The guy probably thought he would be the next Aonuma or something.

>>751305679
never played it. No thoughts, head empty.

Itsuno haters are underage

He made 1/4th of a game again but this time with more Capcom meddling

>>751305652
DD is a game for fags by fags
Anyone who enjoy this series have brain damage

Shitsuno was a hack who made 0 good game, raped dmc and turned it into a mindless juggleslop
Crapcom should've fired his ass ages ago

>>751305994
>raped dmc
>look inside
>first game and sole, only kamiya game was resident evil with better melee combat

>>751305827
>with more Capcom meddling
If anything, he had full creative control over it, considering how retarded his decisions were, like releasing unfinished game to showcast his artistic genius, having only 4 active skills, etc

>>751306102
these faggots only ritual post to troll and act like petulant babies about dragon's dogma 2. They don't even know what devil may cry is.

>>751306145
>like releasing unfinished game to showcast his artistic genius,
Don't be such a tourist, the previous Dragon's Dogma games were also unfinished

>fag immediately goes back to spamming after 72 hour ban

>>751306173
I am vividly reminded of a very specific Final Fantasy 15 fanboy on /v/ trying to start a Kingdom Hearts 3 vs. Devil May Cry 5 flamewar over the vaguest similarities that they're both 3D action games, and getting mad when nobody fell for it

>>751305673
DD2 was pretty soulless on release. It's evident the series survived because he left immediately to make DMC5, it would've died on the spot if he made Dark Arisen.

>>751306196
This one obviously was intended to look unfinished, while first game tried it's best to look like a finished product.

>>751305504
He did good. It's just he needed another 2 years and a co-director.

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>Talks about how a boring game will making boring travel
>Makes both the game and the travel boring

Kwab

Itsuno's vision was good, could've been great with more time, but isn't as good as KINOshitter's completion of said vision

>>751305504
He didn't design it for fans of dragon's dogma either

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>>751305827
This.
>Capcom forced shitsuno to remove layered armor
>Capcom forced shitsuno to remove hairstyles and increase height limit in the character creator
>Capcom forced shitsuno to remove skill slots
>Capcom forced shitsuno to make the movement and animation clunky
>Capcom forced shitsuno to remove vocations
>Capcom put a fucking gun to shitsuno head and forced him to create smoke wizard

>>751306483
Much like Final Fantasy 14 threads with "yoshitpiss" I am immediately discarding any post that says "shitsuno", sorry I don't write the rules

>>751306442
Us single dads who work 5 shifts can be fan of Dragon's Dogma too, you know.

>>751306564
Go back to work hacksuno

No mystic knight, no buy.

>>751306914
He was too "gamey" for director's tastes

>>751306393
>Nintendo did ZA with fun travel with their first attempt
Amazing

>>751305679
Crimson Desert is so comically underrated it's kinda not even funny. Sure it has issues but it seems like everyone is laserfocused on those and not the good parts of which there are plenty. I don't understand. It's like if Skyrim was universally ignored and panned by critics because it has some bugs and clunky features but nobody cared to actually have fun with the fun parts.

Make it make sense.

>>751307305
>Crimson Desert
>Underrated
it was fotm, same as that one chink f2p game with ai dialogues.
They were good enough to not recieve hatred when paid shilling died, so if anything, they were rated just fine

>>751307041
That doesn't even make sense. He hated game mechanics?

>>751307230
Did we play the same game?

>>751307305
I don't think there are good parts. Just mediocre sludge. It's not bad.

>>751306564
>you HAVE to worship this literal who slantpedo or ELSE i won't read your post (i will, actually)

>>751306564
>yoshidaslopper is also an itsunoslopper
Yeah that tracks.

Is archer gameplay actually fun? I'm almost lvl 50 about to head into the dlc and I cant tell if I'm having fun.

>>751307230
>rehash LA
>but make traveling gay and lame by removing mounts
>then make exploration revolve around climbing random out of place scaffolding assets and jump from copypasted rooftop to copypasted rooftop with copypasted encounters because FUCK having actual pokemon diversity in a game that is only about catching pokemon

Kill yourself tendienigger, go back to getting mad at emulatorfags or something. This is a DD2 thread

>>751307557
To be honest, Yoshida did made good mmo, first director who managed to pull it out since wow.
Itsuno was fucktard from the start and dd2 was peak of his poor design decisions.

What if we made am massive map and 90% of it was completely pointless outside of seeker tokens which can give you rewards that are also pointless. We can have an entire language skill for a single town with one quest

>>751307716
Artistic value > game being fun, listen to what my fellow Itsuno fan saying >>751307619

>>751307716
Listen here, you little shit, 90% of the map being useless has been done for the sake of immersion and verisimilitude. Just like infinitely respawning monster ambushes that attack you on the road every 3 minutes. :^)

>>751307853
I touched a nerve didn't I faggot? Go back to exploring an even more pointless copypasted map.

>>751307305
Crimson Desert sold extremely well (mostly due to their humongous marketing budget sponsoring every second streamer on twitch) so I wouldn't say it's underrated, it just released in the beginning of the year and it's singleplayer so discussions petered out. The story is nonexistent, the characters are boring, beyond it's cool action-sandbox stuff it has basically no staying power in people's mind, no reason to replay and continue talking about.

>>751305504
DD2 is fun to play so I don't know why he's being so defensive about that.
Issue is that even fun combat becomes a chore when it becomes repetitive, and since this is an action rpg, character progression should keep things interesting through repetitive parts of the game, which is the open world traversal.
Now the trouble is that character progression stops when you've maxed a vocation you like so you have to switch to other vocations to keep things going and if you only like playing two or three vocations, that means that progression in terms of you character stops within 10 hours of gameplay. Stat growth doesn't matter much either and the things that make the player feel more powerful, is gear and unfortunately gear is boring as fuck in the base game.

>>751308020
Stop hating DD2 for having an artistic value

>>751305679
Why do you always try to stick your game in other threads? Make your own. They aren't even comparable.

>>751307305
they did it to themselves by releasing it as is. if it was released as enhanced from the start ign would have probably rated it 8 instead and nobody would have a pissing fit.

>>751308734
It's true, I'll give you that, if they were able to add this many improvements under such a short time, there was no reason to release it like that and they kinda fucked themselves with that, but still I think it doesn't get the recognition it deserves.

>>751307546
>you HAVE to worship
>he thinks anything less than childish seething namecalling is worship
wack nigga

>>751305504
It would be more liked if the game were actually complete. Like the first game, it really just needed more time to get finished properly. I had fun playing it and the Dark Arisen 2 expansion but I kinda wish it was properly finished before being released. this series is just cursed

>>751305652
For real. There should've been more character interactions and the characters should've been more than cardboard cuttouts of some good/neutral/evil alignment

>The pawns also repeat themselves too GOD DAMN much
You're right but that's also a problem with the first game as well.


>>751306150
I love this image so much.

>>751309226
>There should've been more character interactions and the characters should've been more than cardboard cuttouts of some good/neutral/evil alignment

I feel like you did not play the game because no characters role in the narrative is just being a good or bad guy besides one bandit dude

>>751308592
I usually ask to see if shills are intentionally shitting up the thread.

>>751309305
Outside of Disa when you find out about why she's doing all the machivellian bullshit and the bandit dude you can help out by making him a security guard, that's not wrong.

It's fine for some characters like Ulrika, Brant and Lennart since they seem the honorable martial types, but Allard and that one dude that takes over Melve are basically mustache-twirling villans. The Pathjanny and Rothais kinda escape this criticism since their conflict is a lot more multifaceted

>>751309091
i dont consider it better than dd2, especially with dark arisen v2. they sold about the same afaik (dogmas 4 million mark was reported years ago), so it seems like it got the recognition it deserves, which is to say a decent amount.

>>751309226
>I love this image so much.
Kinoshita's expression is just too good, it pretty much summed up the whole thing

>>751307604
No it’s dogshit. Ranger was one of my favorite vocations and I fucking hate what they did in 2.

>>751305504
1 is just a much better game. I literally started a new save today after getting bored with 2Dark2Arisen and already having 10x more fun.

>>751310120
>Archer needs to shoot itsead of hitting things with daggers

>>751310225
yeah right, post you and your pawn in gran soren right MEOW

>>751310225
No one is ever gonna convince me that losing options and playability is somehow le good thing actually. I’ve seen dumbification play out in a bunch of game series and it always leads to a worse game. Sometimes it even leads to the closure of entire studios.

>>751310396
>caring about replayability instead of recieving pure kino cinematic experience while playing through it first time
There no need to do 95% of content in Elden Ring during your second walkthrough, does that mean game is bad? No

>>751310396
Just use warfarer lmao

>>751305504
I really think he lost his touch when I saw what he did to DMC5.

The characters look horrible with the RE engine and realism.

The new direction for the music is dogshit.

1 single campaign shared among 3 different characters that swaps randomly instead of 3 separate ones, making the game awkward af to play.

Damn retarded story where Vergil is basically irredeemable for the amount of death and destruction he indirectly caused, how everyone just don't seem to care about said death and destruction and the stupid retcon of mundus eating a devil fruit to become powerful.

Very unappealing locations, even compared to 4.

For some reason, pretty sluggish movement. I remember 3 and 4's movement being more tight than whatever is happening in DMC5.

But kudos to him for jam-packing the game with shit tons of gameplay though. Nero's devil breaker is interesting, even if you can't swap the hands freely and Dante have interesting weapons with complex secondary effects than simply weapons that hit differently.

>>751305504
>Nagoshi
>now Itsuno
100% sure Kamiya would have shat on Nintendo if he didn't collab with them.

>>just finished the keepsake quest in Norgan
Damn, never thought these bit-cast characters would grow on me in the end.

>>751305504
no he made some rdr2 slop with suck to target and movement inertia instead woah

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>>751311104
Kamiya is not a hack unlike these two, still a faggot

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>>751305504
Dogmaballs

>>751306483
What is unfinished about DMC 3?

How bad would it be to play with mods on my first playthrough? I got to the sphinx and apparently the best way to deal with one of the riddles is to just mod the game and not deal with its bullshit. Which seems to be solution for most of the games problems

>>751309525
>Allard and “the dude that takes over Melve”

Oh sorry just gonna start complaining Solomon and the fucking Goblin king in 1 don’t have nuance then

>>751311638
The Sphinx part was fun, why mod that part of all things?

>>751305504
I don't like Nintendo and I've never finished a Nintendo game and I think anyone who does is mentally immature, but this smells like cope even to me.

>>751311702
Trying to remember my first seeker token 80 hours in is not fun. Especially after going through 60 locations and then finding out that the finders token does not spawn until after you restart the game

>>751305679
Don't know. No character creation no buy

>>751305504
>make the same game again
>waste your time on retarded shit like NPC relationships
>big twist with the DD2 title drop is just 4 hours of content that suck dick and then the game ends

>>751311764
Understandable. The best way to do that is to get the first one on top of one of the buildings in the encampment where you start the game, go there and pick up the Finder's Token and go to the scrap shop to clone it for the next playthrough. and do the last couple steps again whenever you want to do the Sphinx's puzzles in the NG+.

>>751305504
>>751306150

My very cool occam's razor for this situation is that Itsuno probably self-sabotaged this game to some extent, cause he's a bitter idiot, and/or, DESPITE EVERYTHING DD2 probably didn't get the time or resources it needed to actually be "as good as it could be". I'm partial to a 70/30 split though, if only because whenever Itsuno is out of the picture the game seems to improve dramatically.
Granted, I'm not particularly super-duper up-to-date on all the drama concerning DD2, but I know the self-deprecating cope of a creator when the thing they've put a lot of effort into isn't as well received as they had hoped for, or wasn't as "good" as they thought it would be.

>>751311764
Then just ditch it. It's only your first playthrough, why try to get everything?

>>751306483
They didn't force him to remove anything but it's highly likely that they cut his budget and he simply didn't implement a lot of the things he had planned like the "missing" vocations

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>>751311921
>My very cool occam's razor for this situation is that Itsuno probably self-sabotaged this game to some extent, cause he's a bitter idiot, and/or, DESPITE EVERYTHING DD2 probably didn't get the time or resources it needed to actually be "as good as it could be".
Original release date was supposed to be before monster hunter sunbreak. Capcom should have failed him right around that time for his failure of relesing game on time

>>751312028
>and he simply didn't implement a lot of the things he had planned like the "missing" vocations
But trickster got in

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>>751312028
I honestly don't think we're missing any vocations.

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>>751312028
>Shitsuno cuts Alchemist, Spirit Lancer, Shield Sage, High Scepter to add shitster in

This sounds too crazy it might actually be true.