https://github.com/rsc-pl/Unicorn-Overlord-UnburgerThe game is finally playable.
Oh its that unburger anon, nice. They're pretty autistic, probably too literal for some, but getting to see XB2 uncensored was worth it
>>751322662>They're pretty autistic, probably too literal for someThat's exactly how I like it.
>>751322528What was the problem with the translation? I thought the dialogue was kino. I played with english dub
>>751322723>What was the problem with the translation?There was no translation, it was a shameless rewrite.
>>751322528Sell me on the game. I've always liked the art style of it, but never seen any gameplay. Is it turn based?Did it get the (((localization))) treatment?
>>751322723It uses big flowery language that ESL thirdies loath since they can’t read it without google translate. No, it’s better that dialogue be short, bland, and literal like muh fan-translated Japanese anime subs.
>>751322528>unburgerBased.
Nope. I trust official translations more done by native English speakers that got legal approval and permission from the Japanese company to translate and localize.
>>751322723The original was fine. This seems like one of the more unnecessary unburger patches. Unfortunately the guy just runs it through AI now so shit like this will get made.
>>751322835It's kind of the best version of an autobattler long before mobile games ruined the concept. You set up troop synergy and guide them in real time. The localization isn't FE Fates bad, more like FFT thee and thou injections
>>751322528The English translation is 100% accurate though what
More like fanfic translationsI hate localizers, but I also hate "in my head, it says THIS!" fan "translations"There is no winning, go learn japanese yourself.
>>751322528I’ll use it if it’s not AI mtl.
>>751323021The link in the OP literally has examples of it not being accurate though?
Already played it and enjoyed it, I'm good
The game needs a complete gameplay rebalance, not some autistic rewrite because ESLers cannot understand fancy English.
what happened? did they troonify the translation or something?
>>751323105Not really
Reminder that the same Discord troons why tried to brigade hate against Dragon’s Dogma 2 were trying to do the same thing with Unicorn Overlord, but when they couldn’t find a sexual censorship angle to tackle they tried to push the “b-b-but the localization BAD!” narrative to get people to preemptively hate it. And since these people never stop being schizos, they’re trying to double down on the belief that it always needed “fixing.”
>>751322723>What was the problem with the translation?L*calisers
>>751322723It was fine. The entire "controversy" was caused by one guy who doesn't know Japanese complaining that it wasn't identical to a machine translation.>>751323120Yeah, any sort of rebalancing would actually be significant.
>>751323021>The English translation is 100% accurate
There are "people" ITT who actually defend this
but I already played the whole game. If anything just make al the woman naked or take out the love events and turn them into anime
>>751323275Okay?
>>751322528Fucking based. I wanted to puke when reading that trash localization.
>>751323103Not only is it AI, all the documentation is AI tooThis example basically sums it up.>Ancient Dragon Skull -> Ancient Dragon Bone >Original: 古代竜の骨 >Explanation: 骨 is bone; the item is not specifically a skull.>pic related is the itemThis kind of patch for Fire Emblem Fates or Xenoblade 2 and other trainwreck localizations are good, but this one is just pointless slop
>>751323120The ESLers are the ones that feel smart when they play this game or WotL. An actual English speaker isn't impressed by theatrical dialogue.
>>751323105Just skinned through it and holy fuck is that shit the most autistic garbage ever. >”The originar Japanese had drinking sounds here. Dirty English put in a rine of actuar diarogue. Now it reads rike cum guzzring as it shourd!”
>>751323021You don't understand. It needs to incredibly direct, dry, and boring. Every character needs to say "It can't be helped." even though nobody says this except Japanese people.Instead of "Ms" or "Mr" "san" must be used even if its setting is medieval fantasy europe and Japanese honorifics sound retarded when paired with English. I am deeply insecure about my country's inferiority and believe I know more about how the English language should be used even though I only learned English to watch youtubers and american cartoons when I was 10 years old.This post was brought to you by hans miguel muller jansseens sanchez
>>751323361>it's good when localisers make up dialogue out of thin air actually
>>751322528How’d they manage /ourgirl/?
>>751322865you lost
>>751323445By the time I got to the north lands I dropped the game
>>751323287>>751323361Brought to you by the same sexless losers who cried about that Fire Emblem girl’s dialogue being reduced to “RAWR!” in the translation. Actual fucking retards.
lolicalization apologists doing damage control itt
>>751322528When's Eiyuden Chronicle?
>>751322528difficulty mod?
>>751323201normally i'm the type to nitpick about translations but these are fine? all the text has the same meaning with just a little fantasy fluff thrown in
>>751323287Why can't they just translate... There's nothing to "localize" about a gulping sound. There's not a single valid excuse for this.
>>751323503>using sexless loser as an insult on fucking /v/What happened to this place?
but i speak japanese fluently for 20 years so i played it in japanese alreadywhy would i want to play it in engl*sh?
>>751323503You defended Saizo and Beruka's C support, didn't you?>>751323571/v/ (4chan in general, really) has been infested by normalfags for years
>>751323541More likely the localizers themselves seeing as how they're all terminally online faggots.
>>751322528That's cool and all, but how about something really useful like translating the Dragon Crown's adventure book that we never got (which was the inspiration of Veritas Tales).
>>751322528>Ctrl + F "Yahna">0 resultsI don't care
>>751323571calling someone an incel is literally the only argument these people know
>>751323310He doesn't say the second line, retard.
>>751323787Not that there's a problem with that.
>>751323201I do have to agree that this fantasy writing where instead of saying 'Oh my god" they say something like "By odin's beard" or in that screenshot "Galerius's foot!" I'm sure they think they're the most clever writer in the world, as well.
>>751323787What second line, goynius.
>Thread immediately beset by localisers defending their rewritesUsually it at least takes a couple dozen replies before they show up, god damn.
>>751323863How is the english version there not accurate, in fact, even more so?
>>751323787And?Who fucking cares?
>>751322528Thank you anon, ignore the troons on this thread defending the trannylations.
>>751322723/v/ once again proving localizers were right all along, and they prefer punched up dialogue
>>751323358>stuck between faggot localizers and retarded AIGrim reminder
>>751323201I prefer it. UO is clearly a western-inspired game so I like the bongtalk.
>>751324028well i'm glad you like eating feaces but most people don't
>>75132386390% of people still posting on /v/ are just trying to get replies.They aren't posting their true opinions or even shilling for a definite purpose.The sole consideration that goes into writing a post is: will someone reply to this?
>>751323925How is it accurate at all? In Japanese he understands the situation and is sending his knight away, in English he's a scared kid who doesn't know what's going on. Beyond the translation being completely off it's not even the same character.
>>751323724Alain is so lucky to have Chloe as his sexretary and Scarlett as his wife
>>751323370>Every character needs to say "It can't be helped." even though nobody says this except Japanese people.Do you think characters should say redditspeak like "it be like that, eh?"
>switch version>Recomp is PS4 versionOh well
>>751324064But the right is better and more enjoyable to read than the more literal one. If purity matters so much learn Japanese.
>>751324101Take your meds
>>751323370>Every character needs to say "It can't be helped." even though nobody says this except Japanese people.The famous Japanese person, James Bond
>>751324205>OHH LOOK AT ME I LIKE STUFFING MY FACE WITH POOP NOM NOM NOM...okay?Don't bring it to me.
>>751323370>"It can't be helped."I was watching the 1970s movie The Wild Geese recently and they say that line. It just stuck out to me because I always see faggots on 4chan trying to say that no one ever says it. I think unread, uncultured otaku loser with no exposure of language outside of their porn addiction should not comment on what people do and do not say.
>>751322528Sweet, I'll use this next time I replay it.>>751323201When the fat fuck loses in combat the audio clip says "IEEEAARGH!" and the text box has a fucking wall of made up text. Pretty embarrasing.
>>751323370>It needs to incredibly direct, dry, and boring.Timmies can't handle spicy localizers.
>>751322528I'm glad ai is finally killing all the trannies
>>751322528How about one for Thirteen Sentinels? Now that's a godawful rewrite.
>>751323550There were a few that did some retarded shit like"This is where the Dark Elves live">"""localized""" to something like"This is where the Dark Elves live, not that theres anything wrong with them living here of course."
>>751324205it's worse and filled with reddit tier quips yet at the same time unnecessarily verbose
>>751324258This isn't a healthy reaction to someone liking something you don't.
>>751324430The same guys are working on that too, but there's no public release yet.
>>751322528What was wrong about this TL specifically? I didn't see any spergout during release.
>>751322662>probably too literal for someI bet the retranslation also takes many liberties it's just that those liberties are in good faith as opposed to being the translator's fanfiction.
>>751324472Not wanting to be near someone smearing themselves and eating literal dripping liquid fetal shit is not healthy?Sure thing, bud.You do that, I'll keep my distance, I don't wannt you to spray it on me when you chow it down like a good boy.
>>751324545From looking at the documentations, it seems there wasn't really anything wrong with the original and this is for people who prefer reading MTL output
>>751322528The only fucking PS4 dump is a shitty patch of the chinese version. Does this support it?
>>751324448I hate quips and I really don't remember any. Most if not all the characters are extremely dry and muted which I appreciated. You get this real sense that war isn't fun and it's taken its toll on everyone. If anything I thought the dialogue was too understated. Also I'm sad that the colosseum girl had so few interactions with others.
>>751324545Nothing, absolutely nothing.This is an AI thread made by AIthe "retranslation" is also made by AI lol
>>751324545>I didn't see any spergout during release.You had your eyes closed the whole time then? It had such a huge spergout it even had the big gaming sites like IGN running articles on it.
>>751322528coolthis was one of those games where knowing a little japanese was enough to make it obvious that localizers fucked it but not knowing enough japanese to just play it in jap sucked
>>751324545the script is really bloatedbut still way better than things like Fire Emblem localization which are just blatant rewrites
>>751324650It's for the switch version
>>751322865>it uses *western fan fiction*. No, it's better that the dialogue be *the original, the one made by the actual devs and writers*ftfy
>>751324595You realise you're mentally ill right? Seek help.
>>751322662>>751324593>original Japanese"We must go over there and defeat the bad guy.">lolcalization"Yeppers, well just got gotta mosey on over there and give the bad guy a good thrashing.">good faith localization"Let's go! The bad guy's over there"
>>751324736ffsNobody gives a fuck about the resolution?
>>751324545This example. Here's a line that pretty similar between games. It's also very basic. The fan translation of FE3 to the right and to the left Unicorn Overlord and a re-translation that's supposed to mimic UO. This is also basic Japanese, there's not really a ton of room for reinventing the wheel. Entire game is like this.
>>751324664It took almost a decade for people by hand to translate one Super Robot Wars game but in a span of 6 months there's been AI translations of over a dozen titles in the series.Fantranslations and unlocalizations have lost all meaning now.
>>751324759The game is western-inspired and I'm not sure Japanese even allows for olde-engish mannerisms even if they wanted to. I remember watching an interview with a Japanese Dev who actively courted British voice actors and localisers to give that more authentic feel to the writing instead of run of the mill American translations.
>>751324762Yeah the guy who doesn't like eating shit is mentally ill, NOT the guy stuffing his gullet with poop.Lmao.
More words = better writing
>>751324792>has to make shit up to prove a pointYou're no better than the localisers
>>751323201The localizations are better in this case, flowery dialogue works better in a medieval setting
>>751324851>It took almost a decade for people by hand to translate one Super Robot Wars gameSurely you don't mean Alpha where they spent 20 years sitting with their thumbs up their asses instead of actually doing anything with the game, right?Fan translations have a huge issue of dipshits claiming a game and spending years doing nothing, then some other group releases a partial TL for the same game and suddenly the original group is ready to release their version shortly after.
>>751324870Liking what you don't like != eating poop. I'm sorry you're so emotionally unstable it must affect you in daily life.
>wordswordswordswords
>>751323724
>>751325038No, not eating poop doesn't affect me in daily life.
>>751324884>>751325042>>751323201This is quite flowery but it's not out of place either. To be honest all you're really proving is that the Japanese dialogue was extremely sexless.
>>751324792>Says original Japanese>Posts EnglishMeaningless. I could take>母上に力になってくれAnd claim the literal translation is >Become mother's strength.Like 力になる isn't Jisho as "to be helpful". A lot of awkward "literal translation" is just someone being retarded and not using obvious solutions.
>>751325094I wish you the best with your scat fetish, jeet-kun.
>>751325165and that's how it should have beenyour job is to translate, tranny, not to punch up the script
>>751325165Your post needs more WORDS
>>751324854>I'm not sure Japanese even allows for olde-engish mannerisms even if they wanted toThere's old fashioned japanese talk, it's noticable in like period dramas. Super overly polite that if you talked like that to someone today they'd think you're retarded or being sarcastic.
>>751322528>AI sloppa that ignores the names Kamitani specifically told the English version to useEehh... I'll pass, thought it'd be an UO recomp which would at least be more interesting
>>751325372Alain gets to fuck THAT!?!?!?!
>>751325353How much did Buckley get paid as the obvious advisor to this project?
>>751325226>I could take>>母上に力になってくれ>And claim the literal translation is>>Become mother's strength.nta that is the translation what are you saying
I respect you, trannylators. But only in japanese (in english you're retarded)
>My reaction when I see a comparison picture of original texts vs translation >It can't be helped, haha
>>751325308You don't get to define what the job entails because you're not the one hiring for it. They did the job they were paid to do, and audiences liked it. You're an autist.>>751325353bottom is less words thoughbeit
>>751325226>see there's one sentence in the game that's pretty much untranslatable, that means we have to rewrite 99% of the script to fit the western lexicon
>>751325301Still not eating poop.Nothing you can say will persuade me to join in your sick fetish.
>>751322528Canon wife. Witchfags and cousinfuckers stay seething.
>>751322528Literal AI slop what the fuck?
>>751325552What are you guys arguing about becoming someone's strength is grade 1 japanese
>>751323105Some are fine but some of the changes are max autism, and not the "You are diligent so I'll call you an autist" but in the "Doesn't understand romantic undertones" autistic.This for example.--Another Ring conversation goes even further:Japanese:私でよければ、どうか…お傍にいさせてくださいOfficial English:I would love nothing more than to be your bride, Alain. I accept, a hundred times over.Revised translation:If you'll have me, please... let me stay by your side.Primm asks to remain at Alain's side. The bride, the acceptance and the hundred times over are all additions.--The translation is obviously exaggerated but the Japanese line is 100% a response to a proposal. You'd have to be giga autistic to not see the romantic undertones.
>>751322919And what does your girlfriend's bull think about that?
>>751325565But Chloe is the canon wife? She's the only one with the canon daughter
>>751325657The classic medieval fantasy marvel quip
>>751323934>"Lol bro who cares about inaccuracy and literal fan fiction, stop being such a nerd"Every time with you morons. You begin by saying it isn't inaccurate, then when shown inaccuracy you move the goalpost into saying it doesn't matter.
>>751322723Not trying to be mean, but do you even like jap games? Might want to try different mediums or games.
>>751325552>力になる is untranslatable.>助力する。助ける。>頼りにできる。頼れる。This concept just doesn't exist in English because as we know all English speakers are selfish motherfuckers who could never consider helping their fellow man.
>>751323934>The script is 100% accurate>posts inaccuracy>AND?
>>751325638>Some are fine but some of the changes are max autism, and not the "You are diligent so I'll call you an autist" but in the "Doesn't understand romantic undertones" autistic.This is very ironic because you're arguing for a line with a very obviously implied acceptance in its undertone to be replaced with a direct and exaggerated statement of overt acceptance. This is literally you demanding any subtlety be thrown out the window because you think people won't understand what's obviously being said otherwise.
>>751325770Are you okay?
>>751323201Playing the retranslation, the retards replying for "flowery" made up bull shit are fucking faggots.
>>751325716Watch out, you just triggered step 3: insult the guy who pointed out your bullshit. Get ready to be called a virgin.
>>751324792They did an unburger for the new Fire Emblem and some of the changes were really retardedLike they took characters who are canonically Chinese and have Chinese names, and rewrote their names using the Japanese spelling instead. Like Dadao became DaitoBut that's just not how Chinese names work in English
Oh shit.Translation was the reason I dropped the game.
I don't give a shit about the translation.Give me a hard mode, mod support and level scaling so you can do regions out of order
>>751322528Look at those tits
Where's that tweet that says something like liberals pretend not to understand the argument so conversation is impossible.
>>751325801No Anon, you don't understand. The people who are notorious for writing pathetic romcoms full of retarded misunderstandings and for using the phrase, "the moon is beautiful, isn't it" as a romantic appeal would absolutely be direct and straightforward when it comes to feelings and marriage!
For people asking about the translation, some bilingual guy talked about it.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk_D7lV9Eiw
>>751325801Don't get me wrong, I don't like the official one either since it is, as you say, far too on the nose. But it isn't wrong to lean more towards the fact that it is accepting a proposal. Japanese are very seldom direct, whereas English often is direct. You need some kind of halfway point.
>>751325638I genuinely don't understand you people the revised translation is better>she should talk like thisBut she doesn't, she has an established character with dialogue suited to it. You can't just decide her to be something else.
>>751325770>wooow look at that there's 1 added joke that isn't there in the original>what? you thought it was funny and harmless?>NOOOO THE GAME IS LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE NOW BECAUSE OF THIS ONE LITTLE NITPICYou're mentally ill, take your meds and calm down.
>>751322795retard liar
>>751325816Clearly you're not, retard. Go eat more glue.
>>751323934>Who fucking caresHim, me, the anons in this thread. Do you have brain damage?
>>751325924Incredible how quickly the scum has raided this thread, literal leftie mental gymnastics and goalpost relocation.
>>751326020You clearly do if one tiny cherrypicked line that doesn't fucking matter or change anything is enough to send you into a fit of seething rage.
>>751326015I accept your concession goynius
>>751325654>voiced by Touyama Nao >canon wifeHeh
>>751325165T'hou arst' thee retard'est
>>751322835>Did it get the (((localization))) treatment?YesIf you're a weeb, turn on the jap voices and balk at the eng script or make an unburger from OP's post>>751323541Every thread. Rehashing the same damage control script every time.
>>751326256>IT'S JUST MORE FLOWERY XD>JUST ONE OR TWO CHERRPICKED LINES BROS>THE INTENT IS THE SAME JAPANESE JUST CAN'T INTO NUANCEanything else?
>>751325942>But it isn't wrong to lean more towards the fact that it is accepting a proposal.It is, because it's not what she fucking said. There are other characters that respond much more directly and excitedly, and she isn't one of them. What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>751322723They added modern idpol bullshit like they did in 13 sentinels
>>751323183Dragons drogma 2 is shit not because of censorship but because the cat race is fucking ugly and they just repeat the same issues they did with og dd1 release and more. The presentation was absolute fucking dogshit, unlike in dd1, and the dark arisen 2 shit is just the same ""fix"", except the game has by default more unfixable issues than dd1 did on release. Ergo kill yourself you fuckng nigger
>>751323201the most amazing thing is people here defending this garbage. must be a tranny raid or something
I played the demo for like 5 minutes, liked what I saw but wasn't sure how long term playing worksDo you have to constantly recalibrate teams? Are they just set and forget?
>>751325936Blew my mind to find out that that was the guy who originally translated the Monster Musume comics here back when they were just a few one-offs and not even a manga yet.
>>751322528on PC when?
>>751326431He made it. Canonically married his waifu.
>>751326343I never noticed a thing. You must have /pol/ corruption in your brain
>>751326330I really can't explain it any better than that you don't understand Japanese if you think that line isn't caked with undertones. It is a shame that it has become so polarized that no middle ground exists anymore, you are either in the full on literal translation camp or the troon squad camp.
>>751322835>Sell me on the game. I've always liked the art style of it, but never seen any gameplay. Is it turn based?It's like Ogre Battle. Not Tactics Ogre. You pre-set a formation of characters in a unit and then command them around a map, and when they encounter an enemy it switches to a battle scene which is automatically executed based on the commands you set for them like FF12's gambits.>Did it get the (((localization))) treatment?In a sense. If you played Tactics Ogre LUCT / Reborn, it's like, imagine that style, except it was attempted by someone who has no talent for writing and a bad sense of humour.
>>751324214He's not on hrt like you.
>>751323445Sex
>>751325716It’s just a game. Calm down.
>>751326307Add ESLI really wonder how much free time they have to keep shilling their crap work
>>751326594>you don't understand Japanese if you think that line isn't caked with undertones.You fucking retard, I said it IS caked with undertones. That's DELIBERATE. Because THE CHARACTER IS NOT A DIRECT CHARACTER. OTHER CHARACTERS can be DIRECT because they are DIFFERENT CHARACTERS.You FUCKING IDIOT.
>>751323370
>>751325951Is this like Siege of Dragonspear, where the devs wrote one optional npc with one optional line about why her name was weird, and chuds had a ten year long melty over it?
>>751325770Getting so worked up about meaningless things won’t get you ahead in life.
emul only or apliable to physical switch with atmo?
>>751325042Localization: how a man of his stature and role would talk in a western fantasy.Original: quick fast dialogue because you dont have focus.
>>751326409If you play on normal mode, you can pretty much leave them like they are while updating their equipment.For anything beyond that, yes, you are supposed to reprogram and fine-tune your squads to work together or target enemies more deliberately and calculated.
>>751326757Their melty is about the line that's like"and that's where the dark elves live, not that there is anything wrong with that"The last part was just added as a joke because "dark elves".Apparently that warrants seething and sperging out for 170 posts and making an entire AI retranslation of the whole game.
SI will kill lolcalizers
Now that Muramasa is finally coming to steam, do you think they'll add the rest of Vanillaware's games?
>>751322528>Unburgerlel
>>751323370This post brought to you by an insufferable tranny who's never heard anyone say "it is what it is."
>>751326851>Localization: how a man of his stature and role would talk in a western fantasy.The problem is everyone talks the same regardless of stature and role, so it was just fluffling up the script for the sake of it.
>>751326871I would have called them lolcowlizers
>>751323201Right: if you played the game you know why the character speaks in a so strange way. Only he speaks like that, it's a character trait.Left: generic dialogue, it can be applied to literally every character.
>>751326871si señor
>>751326851>Localization: how a man of his stature and role would talk in a western fantasyBullshit.
>>751326934Literally no one says that.
>>751326949>everyone talks the sameLiterally no. You can distinguish dialogues and character hiding the subject. It's literally the opposite, in the original script everyone talk the same and says the same things. This is the problem of japanese since forever.
>>751326716I wanted to post that the sad reality of translating an indirect language into a direct one requires some rewriting else the English will come out as stiff, because in English you wouldn't speak like that. But saying that will immediately brand me as a troonslator despite the fact that what I'm saying is a simple fact and not a defense towards the lunacy that exists in today's translation sphere.Translation is shit precisely because you are expected to do this hence why you should just learn the fucking language instead of relying on either troons or AI.It is an extreme example, but how would you translate.>月が綺麗ですね
>>751326737Insane how goat farmers in india think their opinions on things are some kind of important political discourse to westerners.
>>751323201kino script, too bad it's turn based or strategy. don't recall. i only like leifthrasir and muramasa
>>751326976Not my fault you never read a book or well written dialogue that wasnt a netflix series.
>>751326851Your post: how a retard would post if he was retardedSee? I can do that too, I should start translating games
>>751327139You will never grow up from your battle shonen. Thank god localisation is always the majority instead of your dumb as shit machine translation.
>>751327047>This is the problem of japanese since forever.Ironic thing to say about a language that has role language which doesn't exist in English desu wa
>>751326515Probably never cause the devs are still eternally seething at pc
>>751326702At least one of those people is in this very thread right now
>>751327202Sorry, can you repeat that again in old english? That was too plain, needs more flowers
>>751323837>"Galerius's foot!"Its another bird pun. Gallus is the scientific name for Rooster.
This thread has convinced that the English version is better. I’ll get it at the next sale
>>751327068>I wanted to post that the sad reality of translating an indirect language into a direct one requires some rewriting else the English will come out as stiff, because in English you wouldn't speak like that.You keep jumping out of the way of the point you fucking idiot, it's fine for that character to say something passive because it's a passive character. Other characters will say different things. There is zero reason to change everyone's dialogue to be the same bullshit because that isn't conveying the character to a western audience, that's changing the fucking character.>It is an extreme example, but how would you translate.>>月が綺麗ですねAt this point you literally don't translate it at all because it's a famous saying and saying that in itself is a reference to be recognised rather than a natural statement.
>>751322919Same. One of these translations is quite literally worthless. If they attempted to charge a single cent for it, their "fans" would discard it because that's the real point. It's massive poorfag cope
>>751327258my bet is on Sami
>>751325638>Doesn't understand romantic undertonestrannymutt localizers and their defenders saying this is fucking rich
>>751327095>t. Niggerbrained zoomer who has no idea who Woes is
>>751322528For me, its that simple throwaway scenes become WORDSWORDSWORDSWORDS in every localization without fail. Readability and brevity are two important parts of writing.
>>751326594You're an aspie that doesn't understand that the Japanese has undertones and the official English HAS NO undertones, it's directly in your face. Specifically made for morons like you that can't gauge context or subtext without you actively getting curbstomped with meaning in sentences directly.
>>751323201>maybe if I dig deep into Merriam Webster it will look goodTrannyslators do this so often it's insane.
>>751323934>>751325816>>751323310lmao typical jew behavior
>>751325816>>751325951>>751326797holy sametranny. absolutely pathetic
>>751327427Who the fuck would? Do you make it a point of pride to know random Xitter thirdies?
>>751324026That's the fate of retards that has incapacitated cognitive capacity to learn languages. Sucking localizer dick and being fucked in the ass with AI dildoes.All hope is not lost though. If you kill all localizers, there's no dick to shove in your throat. Hang all faggot localizers.
I don't like how Japanese people talk to eachother so the english translation wins by default.
>>751322528>jap trash version is less romanticI'm not playing some cuck version.
>>751327347I'm not so much as jumping out of the way as trying to say that EVEN that passive statement means more than it does when translated into English. >At this point you literally don't translate it at all because it's a famous saying and saying that in itself is a reference to be recognised rather than a natural statement.Please. It is a famous statement to the Japanese and a select group of Japanese culture fans but it is hardly so well known that it would pass untranslated. My point with the example is to show that you have statements that literally mean nothing in English and thus requires a rewrite if you actually want to translate the meaning. You know that was my point, so why be obtuse?
It's a translation so bad that you don't need to know either language to know it's fucked up.
the real problem with the localization is that some skill translations are entirely wrong and if you don't know HOW they are wrong you'll be confused that your attacks don't work the say they do.The dialog is perfectly understandable. They made everyone sound Shakespearian or w/e they didn't change the plot or relationships they way that one fire emblem game did.
>>751327532lamayo
>>751327217It's a problem because japanese speaks like 12 years old, their language is complicated but it's "primitive" from our standards. Every language (not only english) had a constant evolution in 6-7 steps, japanese had like 2 different languages in their total history. They speak like shit.>>751327307This, but unironically. I can set a englishman in 5 different ages, and i can guess almost exactly, just seeing how he speaks or pronounce some words.A japanese? No.
>>751326851>would talk in a western fantasyits not a "western fantasy", whatever that means you retarded mutt
>>751327607>My point with the example is to show that you have statements that literally mean nothing in EnglishYou picked a bad example then given it doesn't mean anything in Japanese either.
>>751327217There is a trend going on right now where everyone tries to copy Jap translated text because Japanese people use the same exact way of talking constantly. They quite literally end almost every sentence with with ねSo yes this is a problem with Japanese
>>751327654>The dialog is perfectly understandable.Incredibly low standards.
>>751327728Oh yes unicorn overlord has shogun, damyo, wood armors and ninjas how could i not seen them?Now fuck off retard.
>>751327802>people in real life don't talk like characters in fiction
>>751327047You simply do not know Japanese. If you legitimately have a hard time distinguishing speaking styles, you just suck at the language. This is a deflection from your own lack of proficiency.
>>751327734Now you are just being obtuse on purpose. The meaning is different from the words used, but the phrase itself obviously carries meaning."The moon is pretty, isn't it?" has zero implications of confessing your love to someone when used in English. It can be taken as a romantic statement, but in Japanese it is very obvious what you are saying whereas in English it would not be clear.
>>751327654>They made everyone sound ShakespearianThat's an insult to Shakespeare.
Luv me Wotl translationLuv me Luct translationLuv me UO translation
>>751327924No japanese speaks like toddlers. It's a pratical language born to say two things in one second. It does that? Yes, but translated in real languages, like european ones, it's cheap and extremely basic,Japanese as a language has basically no evolution or improvement except a big spin in the heian period and the tasho perod. In heian because they litterally evolved from monkeys to humans, society wise, and in the tasho because they had to integrate a lot of western culture inside theirs.
Remember that all pro-localizer talking points are inherently bad faith and disingenuous and inevitably, INEVITABLY, culminate in "the original writing was bland and boring and the localization was right to SPICE IT UP!!!"
>>751322528BasedTotal Localizer Death
>>751327802>Jap translated textNot even Jap text Jap translated text because you can't be arsed to actually understand the thing you're mocking first hand.
>>751327925>"The moon is pretty, isn't it?" has zero implications of confessing your love to someone when used in English. It can be taken as a romantic statement, but in Japanese it is very obvious what you are saying whereas in English it would not be clear.You're just being retarded on purpose. The phrase has a hidden meaning separate to the meaning of its actual words which is only known by knowing what the phrase means, because it's a linguistic reference and not a natural expression. "You don't know what it means unless you know what it means" is true regardless of whether it's in Japanese or English. It's no different to any other opaque reference or euphemism.This also has nothing to do with your fundamental failure to understand that a quiet and demure character does not need to express her reaction to a confession in the same manner as a boisterous and outgoing character and that undertones are a perfectly valid form of character expression.
>>751328006this is entirely unrelated.
>>751327925Okay, but that's a cultural thing. You're not supposed to translate that as "I love you". You're supposed to understand the cultural implication of the phrase no matter the language.Changing that phrase because "people in other languages may not know what it means" would be like changing the middle finger for a target language whose culture does not have the middle finger mean "fuck you".
>>751328006Remember when treehouse just decided americans and europeans dont deserve translated DLC because of how they talked about their localization, so the american version of fates was just missing 2 dlcs?
Huh... You know I was always curious about this controversy but after reading through this thread I can clearly see it's an autistic nothingburger and the English localization actually added a lot of personality to the game especially for the confession scenes. Thanks for the info bros.
Not every translation in UO is terrible. Some are fine like pic related. I bet you won't find a single person complaining pic related was too bland or whatever. It's almost like the Japanese was written by actual writers and properly conveying their work leads to enjoyable experience for readers.
>>751323201I literally don't understand what is supposed to be wrong with this one, I think you guys are 100% autistic because holy shit. You guys just want anime sub tier translations, translated by ESL third worlders.
>>751328186>The phrase has a hidden meaning separate to the meaning of its actual words which is only known by knowing what the phrase means, because it's a linguistic reference and not a natural expression. "You don't know what it means unless you know what it means" is true regardless of whether it's in Japanese or English.And that's why, when translating, you can simply translate it to "I love you" and you have conferred the meaning. You don't have to have a TL note explaining the origin of the phrase and why it came to be synonymous with a confession.And that wraps around to my point that you wouldn't be wrong adding a little bit into the phrasing to make it more direct, since that's how English is.But no matter how much I say this you'll automatically think I advocate for the original phrasing which I've already said I don't.>>751328334>You're not supposed to translate that as "I love you".You have no choice but to, unless you want to have a TL note the size of the entire screen. It highlights the very issue with translation as a medium, the eradication of culture.
>>751328130And japanese also has no versatility. You can't integrate new words in it this is why they keep using english words for stuff they don't have as a culture while the rest of the world can integrate a foreign something in their language giving its proper word. They can barely adapted them phonetically.
>>751322528Sony is immensely retarded and incompetent letting these games become lost relics instead of just porting to PC. Literally the most retarded company.
>>751327607nta, I actually agree with your overall point, but that anon is right 月が綺麗ですね is a bad example. The phrase shows up in tons of Japanese media and it always gets translated to some variant of "the moon looks beautiful tonight"Obviously the english loses out on the historical context, but it's not some untranslatable line and always gets left as is. For the most part scenes where someone says 月が綺麗ですね are so obviously romantic that a reader can still get the idea even if "the moon looks beautiful" is a nothing phrase in EnglishAnd yeah it shows up enough times that most EOP otaku get the historical understanding anyway
>>751328467I think Dogen has a joke video that basically says the opposite. They have Japanese words for things but use English for whatever reason, giving up some of the strengths of the language.
>>751328450>You have no choice but to, unless you want to have a TL note the size of the entire screen.You have the option of translating it and not having a TL.>ohhhhh but then the unwashed masses won't get DA MEANING!!!And people who don't know Hamlet won't get why a character says "To be or not to be", tough shit. Not everything needs to be explained for people who are "not in the know".
Weebs will never accept that Japanese is a limited language and that games can be improved with an English localization
>>751325882stupid gaijin, giving mod support to a game is like allowing you to harvest a japanese man daughter's organs
>>751328186>The phrase has a hidden meaning separate to the meaning of its actual wordsIf you ask a young japanese nowdays from where the phrase comes from he'll probably doesn't know but he uses is it because it's "common".
This board needs thread IDs so fucking bad
>>751328576not sony's choice
>>751328639This is way I think. If TL notes are to be a thing they should be separate from the work and if you don't get something while reading you don't get it. The uncultured get fucked for their hubris.
>>751328616>>751328639I'll concede that it is a bad example since it is arguably one of the most famous lines in the medium. Sadly, I don't think that excuse is going to work in a "professional" setting, if you can call the current scene that.
>>751323201
>>751328813The "professional setting" needs to burn in hellfire. We are talking neither about profits nor about what the tranny localizer clique wants or will allow, but rather what is right and what should be.
>>751328450>And that's why, when translating, you can simply translate it to "I love you" and you have conferred the meaning.No, you absolute fucking moron, that would be an extremely stupid thing to do, because you'd be taking a deliberate use of an opaque reference that obfuscates the meaning being implied, and replacing it with a direct statement. That's not translation in any sense, you didn't convey the meaning of the words, you didn't convey that the character is hiding the meaning of the words behind someone else's opaque statement, you just replaced their words with some other words you think are easier to understand. I really fucking hope you never get put in charge of editing a script in your life if this is what you think is acceptable.>And that wraps around to my point that you wouldn't be wrong adding a little bit into the phrasing to make it more direct, since that's how English is.No matter how I try to explain it to you you adamantly refuse to understand that speaking indirectly is in itself a character trait and reflective of a character's personality, not some mechanical failure of language that needs to be corrected.
>>751326671Wife material. Many hybrid children.
>>751328619They litterally don't. One of the most stupid examples is ice cream. Every single fucking time you ear some iceacreammu or stuff like that. They, of course, didn't have ice cream and generally milk products were rare. They have kakigōri which is shaved ice, another thing you probably saw a shitton of time.Now italians invented ice-cream as you know it, and it's called gelato. You use the term gelato in your language? No. Do they call it gelato in german? No. In swedish? No.Those are real languages, that have history and evolution.
>>751323201These are literally fine?
>>751327319Based retard. Galerius' base word is galerus which means "hat" and was a name of an actual roman emperor.
>>751324205>If purity matters so much learn Japanese.....or I just pirate and play with a retranslation mod
>>751328434>I don't understand what's supposed to be wrong with replacing all of a character's dialogue with bird references
>>751328782I'd love it if more games came with an appendix to explain historical context.Frankly the arguments against translator notes are fucking retarded considering there are native language novels that benefit greatly from footnotes.
>>751329090>>751327319Wait, did they really think Galerius' root word was actually gallus and not an already existing Latin name with its own root word?
>>751324884Idk care about trannyslation conversion on 4chan since idk japanese so i can't judge, but from you're example they seem to give the same idea but with a different prose or ways of saying it, i get that in an extreme example it may mis-characterise the characters but it doesn't go that far in that image imo>>751325165I actually prefer direct prose to flowery bullshit that just shoots the shit, genuinely like 40% of the words in the disco elysium sequel are just there for fluff which is tiring for a game that is like 80% words
>>751328884And once again you seem to imply that I find Japanese to be a bad language or mechanically deficient when all I'm doing is explaining the incompability between the two languages and the consequences that arise from it.The entire thing you are upset about IS a consequence of translation yet you take it out on me as if I'm trying to co-opt a narrative when what I'm saying is the fucking basic of basics when it comes to the crapshoot that is JP-EN translation. You can't THINK like a Japanese when translating, you are supposed to be the retarded English speaker, that's the entire fucking issue.Anyways, we'll never see eye to eye in this so good day anon.
>>751327447Failed writers see a line that says "Let's go!" and they decide it requires their "artistic touch"
>>751325546>and audiences liked it.>he says to the audience who didn't like itLmao, nta but i thought this was funny
This one i'm not too sure about from some of the examples given. I mean, anyone with a passing familiarity for Japanese media knows that there are a lot of implying implications and things like >please let me stay by your side has a significant romantic implication or how you can ask someone to marry you and they'll literally say the same thing that means>Okay, I'm under your care / lets work well together but obviously has a different context than introducing yourself to colleagues with a new job/team. Removing flowery language I don't see as important as I do the overall context. When you see games like>FE Engage>FE Fates / IF and others where the Japanese is massively different from the localized version and often censored, I'd be more curious if that was what was happening here is much lesser than that. Lookinng at some of their contextual examples in supports and whatnot, its hard not to look at this as more the "literal translation, but without the awareness of implied information or relationships" thing that I'm not sure needs to be done. When they start talking about "oh the english made it more romantic, more dramatic, confrontational etc.." that is where I become skeptical of how they are applying this - after all this is a language where the literallyt written>Hm...You! can be inferred to be >You bastard! You unrepentant scum! based on how its written. I was hoping that a fan translation project would be the kind to resolve the kind of cut content that was put into some of the other games mentioned to be censored, but this..I'm not sure about it.
>>751327924>distinguishing speaking stylesWhat styles? They don't have speaking styles. If someone is from the boonies or is a sengoku peasant they just use the modern Honshu dialect, other languages had a "noble\commoner\peasant" different style, usually more of those depending on how much old or important their nation was.Japanese have to use regional dialects born from stereotypes because the emperor and the last of the beggars spoke the same for centuries.
>>751329251This. Is this much easy.But trannyslations basically are censorship and dei programs, so it's not their purpose anymore.
>>751322528I'm assuming this is an untested MTL from someone who knows zero Japanese and not much English.
>>751328957They have 氷菓. Which is a general term. And then if you look up アイスクリーム>生クリームに卵・砂糖・香料・ゼラチンなどを加えて凍らせた氷菓子 So they could use 氷菓子 probably add the kanji for 乳. I'm not native some how it would look I can't say, but the tools are there. It not being done is just because language is messy.
>>751328731Name one good board that has IDs.Protip: there are none.
SOMEONE TRANSLATE DRAGON'S CROWN TREASURE OF DEMON ISLAND
>>751329526Name one good board
>>751329317>all I'm doing is explaining the incompability between the two languages and the consequences that arise from it.There is no incompatibility in this example you can't pry yourself away from. A character made a subdued confession through undertones which fit her personality and you went full retard saying that it needed to become overt instead to sound natural in English which is wrong on multiple levels, because you fail to understand that a character's personality is expressed through their choices of words and actions and what they don't say as much as what they do.
>>751329390Recently an all ages version of Sengoku Rance was released and there are some errors. It's very obvious.
>>751323571You didn't gatekept them enough.
>>751322528>unburgerlol
>>751328731It literally doesn't matter with residential proxies. In fact, IDs would only help users of residential proxies while noncancer normal posters would have to argue with all their sockpuppet posting (considering it's not just a bunch of bots anyways using those residential proxies)
>>751329662And you can't use the name here. Rance has called himself ランス様 because he's egotistical. It's not the name, it's the overall speech pattern.
>>751329517>氷菓That's frozen confection, it's so generic as you are calling a steak "muscle and fat".>アイスクリームAisukurīmu, it's the phonetic adaptation of the English word. It's not a word, it's barely an attempt to write english in katakana.What is your point?
>>751329517>氷菓>ひょうか>氷菓子>こおりがしI hate Japanese
>>751329776>Which is a general term.>if you look up アイスクリーム>they could use 氷菓子 probably add the kanji for 乳.>but the tools are thereDidn't know cliff-notes were needed for fucking 4chan replies.
>>751322723>I played with english dub
>>751323661I want this instead. I don't even like UO that much.
>>751329856It's how they filter undesirables. Gatekeeping inherent to the language. Beautiful.
>>751329582If Muramasa's PC launch goes well I can hope this is the kind of thing that will get an official translation for the enhanced versions of older Vanillaware games. Though frankly at this point I have to wonder what the fuck is going on. The recent discussion said something like>Oh, Muramasa is getting an enhanced remaster because Marvelous pushed for it! We really didn't have any policy on PC before hand which if it is true then I owe Marvelous some thanks, but what about all the Atlus published titles? Considering that Atlus is owned by and finally under the thumb of Sega, shouldn't we have gotten PC versions of those games sooner? I mean, Sega basically dragged Atlus kicking and screaming to PC until they realized how successful it was, so I'd think thos would be first, but in the past there was some Sega or Atlus interview around the era of either 13 Sentinels or Unicorn Overlord that was >Well we'd love to release it on PC, but its kinda up to Vanillaware so uh..nothing planned?What exactly is going on here and who's making the decisions?
>>751329856>I hate JapaneseYou should consider a career in localization.
I have no problem with localization unless it's censorship or pure stupidity like the fucking hotdogs as onigiri. Asian languages are shit, just like them, they were created by people that needed the west to reach a modicum of civilization. They reached the wheel probably by sheer luck.
>>751330084Nice.
Why is this a thing but not a mod to make the game more difficult?
>talk about unicorn overlord translation>fire emblem fates is brought upfire emblem players are the scum of the earth and should be eliminated. Yes the translation of that game sucked but the translation team isn't even the same. It's like saying someone built a car that sucked so all cars must suck. fuck off. Fire emblem sucks.
>>751323201Jap dialogue is so fucking dry lol
>>751330071>If Muramasa's PC launch goes wellIsn't that mainly happening not because of VW but because of Marvelous? Still, it might make them consider other titles even if it isn't their drive.
>>751329772Here's an example of him calling himself ランス様. Also later there's a bit where he copies the pink haired guys speech. But that's an H-scene so take my word for it. Previously he talks to another bandit and tries to force more polite speech and it doesn't work. This is one character. Distinct enough portrait errors are very obvious and has multiple occasions where he tries to mimic someone else's speech and it's very obvious.
>>751330204If you're discussing if a car is going to burst into flames or not, then not bringing up the Ford Pinto or AMC Gremlin is moronic as these are some of biggest example of lemon-as-design bullshit.
>>751322528is there a mod that fixes the fuck-ass camera zoom in combat? shit made me nauseous.
>>751329913Still not a single word, still not a new word. You are not adapting a word in a foreign language in yours you are loophooling around what you already have.If i translate house with "a place with stone walls and a roof" i have not adapted a foreign word in my language.
>>751330289That's what I wrote - the question is "why"? If its up to the publisher like Marvelous, who published Muramasa originally, then why can't it be up to Sega/Atlus, who published all the more recent titles from Dragon's Crown, 13 Sentinels Aegis Rim, to Unicorn Overlord as I recall as Sega has already demonstrated they want to bring things to PC and started doing so ages ago. Sega once claimed thatthey were somehow 'stopped' by Vanillaware, so if that's the case why wasn't Marvelous "stopped"? I mean if VW is seeing the light that's great, but the idea that its up to the publisher when itts Marvelous on one hand yet somehow not up to Sega, doesn't make sense.
>>751330362except you can clearly see that the car being discussed doesn't have the gas tank in the back.UO loc didn't blank out entire conversations as a joke.
>>751322662Speaking of XB2, I just finished my first full japanese playthrough and man was it so much better than the trash localisation and dub. It's insane how much they censored the shit out of this game. The religious themes are so central to the game and they threw everything away, worst offender being the character names. Hikari best girl btw.
>>751327885why are you kikes so fucking dumb?at this point its not even pretending
>>751330514Instead it added random dialog to replace universal shit like grunts and sighs which is just as bad.
now put this shit into the fucking recomp.
>>751325165>Game is translated in 20 different languages>Only one of them is retarded and it's always the burger version>No one has any problem with any other languagesOr it's just that it's shit
>>751330458>If i translate house with "a place with stone walls and a roof" iOh you fundamentally don't understand kanji. So when you see a yoji you just get completely filtered.
>>751330545It's a western fantasy retard. Just post the "hurr durr i was pretended to be retard" so we can get a good laugh and you can fuck off.
>>751330683(2/1)When you see the word breakfast you must think >Break fast? I'm not fasting.
>>751330628no, it really isn't.expanding word count while getting the same message across may be objectionable but there is no loss of information.
>>751330490It's not that complicated.>sega lied>vanillaware didn't like working with sega>vanillaware changed their mindsPick your explanation, it could be any of them.
>>751330692>It's a western fantasyDefine western fantasy dumb israeli
UO needs a difficulty mod far more than it needs this stuff.
>>751324792Oh no?
>the localizer is still at it defending his "work"lmao
>>751330871i really want to change how item restrictions work. Instead of limiting the items used per fight while giving you effectively infinite items so you just use the 3 best items every map, give infinite item uses per fight but restrict the overall items you can buy/find making it worthwhile to use the weaker items in their use cases.
>>751323201And exactly what's wrong with these? is because the writing is a bit ahead of what would you read from Sanderson?
>>751322528wow FINALLY the english version is unfucked now.THis is one of those few games where OTHER languages like French for example is much muuuuch closer to the actual japanese script and text compared to the fucking butchered english version which is beyond fucked up.In french (and probably other european languages) the translation was TRUE translation and not bullshit Eng localization cancer. well now i can play this in english
>>751324851AGTP is kind of a dick sometimes. Allegedly part of it was SRW fans were pestering him about doing the translation that eventually he avoided working on it to spite them. However I heard that from a salty SRW fan so he may have been slightly biased about it lol.
>>751331000>And exactly what's wrong with theseshould be self evident if you're not a subhuman
>>751330871>>751330176Are you guys retarded? Translators make translation patches. Replacing text is not the same as overhauling the gameplay.
>>751330842Hmm lets see, i'll try to speak as simple as possible so a toddler like mind like yours can understand.>It has western design (iron armors, swords, pikes, iron shields, towered castles, western styled dresses) and even if the function of the same object like a pike is the same the design is clearly inspired by an historic western object.>Lore and worldbuilding is based on the west (thites, nobility titles, westernized abrahimic church and symbolism, knights, social class divisions).Satisfied? Now please, please try to counterpoint and post some examples.
>>751329628/a/
>>751331052Arent usually european non english translations based on the english one and not directly from the source?
>>751330514That's a reasonable point to bring up but that doesn't mean necessarily another vehicle doesn't also have a massive flaw or oversight. For what its worth I specifically mentioned that not seeing the of changes one would see in Engage or Fates/IF means that the necessity for this project may be lesser or unnecessary. >>751330628The question here is contextual - once you take away the florid "fantasy language" the question is if the implications behind the JP script's writing is accurate to what's being depicted in the EN. The issue in the fan translation seems to be the idea that each line being reverted to the exact Japanese, doesn't necessarily convey the same thematic content. Unless you're going to load the whole thing up with TL notes, a timid or quiet female character accepting a proposal from the love of her life is probably not going to say I LOVE YOU LETS BE TOGETHER FOREVER but when she says "....of course, I guess i'm under your care now!" it MEANS something similar to the above. Having this project's notes saying essentially "Well see that's not romantic at all, it just shows that one character is being looked after by another!" would be inaccurate as well, and from some of the examples that is what I'm afraid may be happening here. Looking too much for the literal language as opposed to the meaning. This is very different than a project where the meaning is censored, cut or changed and the fan translation restores it
>>751331119>i'll try to speak as simple as possibleI'll need you to be more flowery before I read your boring posts dumb kike
>>751331109It would just be a matter of giving enemies besides the infinite respawning fodder in stages better equipment than iron swords the entire way through the game. Doesn't have to be as balls to the wall as the Colosseum fights but it's definitely within the realm of moddable shit.
>>751323358That's not a skull. at best it's half a skull.
>>751329932fckin kek
>>751327728Yeah the holy city has fucking Brunelleschi's church domes but yeah it's not western.Fucking americans you have the culture of a nine years old kid.Go back to school.
>>751322528>making the translation worse
>>751331238>It would justThere's literally nothing stopping you if that's easy then. I wonder why you haven't done it.
>>751331190Thank you for your concession. Wasn't that hard right?
>>751331340more flowery little jew
>>751331324You first retard
>>751331381I know you reflect your inferiority complex calling anyone superior at you "jew" but i think only you inside of your disturbed mind know why you are using this term on me.
>>751331184Correct. USUALLY the european language localizations are indeed based on English in 99% of games, so imagine my surprise when UO actually did NOT follow the english localization at all and did their own proper work, and it was glorious.Anyway, if you know other European languages aside from English, then trust me play in those instead of the bullshit English localization.. it's extreeemely jarring when you hear japanese voices that absolutely dont match the english localization at all.In french for example the translation was much much more literal.
No wonder westoid localizations are so fucking bad. The trannylators spend most of their waking hours terminally online defending their awful work.Its the only language they are exposed to
>>751322528this is near the top of the list of great games i wouldn't replaybut good to hear
Why haven't you learned Japanese yet, anon?
>>751331456How the fuck someone knows who to trust with translation? I mean how do you know french uo is better than english uo if you don't know japanese?
>>751331454little jew starts seething in such a stereotypical fashion, might as well sign your posts with a star of david
Have you ever noticed the quality and iq of post in this website plummet down during american hours? Food for tought.
