When did you realize that Miyazaki was the cause of the sloppification of fromsoftware?
DS3 made it painfully obvious that he's a one trick pony
I'd take the worst souls game over the entire KF franchise along with Shadow Tower, Eternal Ring, etc. Most people would because they're funner to play.
>>751386441>When did you realize that Miyazaki was the cause of the sloppification of fromsoftware?Retarded nu-king's field fan take and I like them.
I listened to some rant by Plague of Gripes about Demon Souls/Dark Souls and the shift in ownership in that game and that's when I first thought about it. He made a strong argument at least.
>>751386990Why? KF4 has better level design and exploration than all souls games, has better combat because it's not rollslop, and isn't an unfinished mess like all the souls games.Everything good about the souls games were taken from it, everything bad about the souls games were created by souls games.
>>751387264I won't reply seriously unless you elaborate all those points.
>>751386441Any way to play KF4 without ps2 emulator?
>>751387398What's wrong with the PS2 emulator?
>>751387668Prolly nothing. I'm just liking bloodborne recomp so now i want recomps of everything, because it's so convenient.
>>751386441Dark Souls 3. It was a pretty weak follow-up to Bloodborne and relied very heavily on nostalgia bait. It doesn't help that From was very much past their "we're not going to nerf bullshit if it's fun" phase. They were nerfing shit before DS3 even hit the US and From can't balance for shit.
>>751388017We're gonna have to kill you
>>751386539You could cynically say that DaS3 was made for money, but it's also an excellent gameits worst sin is probably that they sanded off too much of the friction of the previous games
>>751388675It's still a solid game with gorgeous levels. You can't call this slop with a straight face.
So Demon's Souls is no longer the Fromsoft game that contrarian hipsters flock to, I see.
>>751388819Ringed City was fun but it's probably one of their weaker DLCs level design-wise, mostly straight corridors with tiny extras off the beaten path
>>751388831I never liked that shit since day 1. World tendencies are the most dogshit mechanic ever made.
>>751388952Oh yeah I agree. DS3 was very linear compared to the earlier games. But that's because FS was forced to make a new Dark Souls and Miyazaki was done with it, the whole world connection in DS1 was very hard to make. I was already glad they made another one.
>>751388819>You can't call this slop with a straight faceIt's derivative slop
>>751389195Your brain is dopamine addicted slop.
>dark souls 3 isn't slo-ACK
>>7513892674chan is a dopamine addiction too.
>>751389457you NEED both
>THIS IS SLOP!!!!!!! AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>751388819>DLClmao
King's Field is more about the exploration than the combat, and Demon's Souls is the only Souls game that sort of gets that.
>>751389457The fire in the DSA's boss room is so strange to me. It would actually make sense to have one there because it would be close to the shortcut to the brothers at the end of the castle but they put it at the wrong end of the room so you have to run across it every time. It's like they told an intern to put a bonfire in that room and he didn't think about it at all.I think one of the biggest signs that they didn't give a fuck is that Gotthard's body was given 2kat instead of the swords he's supposed to have and AFAIK they still haven't fixed it.
>>751389810first half of dark souls*
>>751386441What a terrible example. So much of Dark Souls 1 is airlifted straight out of King's Field 4. New Londo is almost 1 to 1 with the Darkling's city.
>>751389810Dark Souls 2 is literally Demon's Souls 2 exploration wise
>>751389810A more retarded take I don't think you'll find
>>751389946>I will never ever explain my point
>>751389908Sure, the good parts about dark souls 1 that everybody jerks off is taken from KF2/4 and it only last on the first half before they teleport you.
>>751389810Ah yea, Elden Ring surely lacks exploration. Absolutely mental.
>>751390047>He doesn't know about the teleports of KF4Kek, as I said fake fan contrarians
>>751386441I mean, look at him.
>>751390146>retard thinks a teleportation mechanic is the same as transporting the player to a completely separate isolated unfinished area
>>751390262You have to literally teleport to a level to access it.Play the game.
>>751390262>>retard thinks a teleportation mechanic is the same as transporting the player to a completely separate isolated unfinished areaWhere do you teleport to an unfinished isolated level in Dark Souls 1?
>>751390306Ok retard, where do you teleport? Do you mean the yellow guide which is literally in the same area but a different floor or the final area which ends in 2 minutes? Both of which aren't remotely the same as DS1.
>>751389457
>>751390491>Both of which aren't remotely the same as DS1.The same as teleporting to previously visited bonfires for the last half of the game?Stop being mad at nothing
>>751390391Why are you pretending to be retarded?
>>751390579Nice ant pic, I'll make sure to show it to my resident ant nest
>>751390574You're full of shit lol. The way teleportation works in KF4 requires all areas to be completely connected to give the player freedom of setting up their own destination and moving the very limited markers manually.It's not the same as every single bonfire being a teleportation point.
>>751390734>KF4 lets you teleport to already visited levels>DS1 lets you teleport to already visited levels
>wojaktrannoid>is braindeadNo more (you)s for you
>>751390568yeah its the exact same terrible slop, whats your point
>>751390887>my hecckkkkin anti wojakkerino safe space!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You lost.
>>751389701Boring, uninspired skybox. Slop confirmed.
>>751390065AND YOU MAY FIND YOURSELFIN A COPYPASTED CAVE FOR THE 10TH TIMEAND YOU MAY FIND YOURSELFFIGHTING ANOTHER TREE SPIRITAND YOU MAY SAY TO YOURSELFMY GOD, IS THAT ANOTHER USELESS ASH I'LL NEVER TOUCH
>>751386917I firmly believe that eternal ring was held back by tank controls, and i say that as someone who played it and loved it even with tank controlsBut the game was made well after the dualshock had thumb sticks and fromsoft decided tank controls were still the best way to approach movement and camera controls when far better options existed by the time of its release Play it on ps5 now and using the thumb sticks is 1000% better and makes the game actually feel enjoyable instead of a slog where youre contending with the controller more than the game itself Has some good moments, love when the village gets wiped or the secret dungeon giving you busted equips to flush the end game with Really not sure what held fromsoft to tank controls for such a long period of their dev history
>>751390065Lol, lmao even
>>751391326>it's another one of these "dungeons"
>>751390825Nice picture, these guys are retarded and happy, not retarded and angry like we are.
>>751389457>>751390568>>751390962This is always just multiplayer zoning for summoning and invasions.
>Heh DS2... is good>Heh DS2 original version right? Scholar ruined it>Heh you like souls slop? Armored Core is better>Heh King's Field is better (You are here)>Heh Kuri Kuri Mix is better>Heh Déraciné is peak
>>751391775>Heh video games? How about sumerian tablets?
>>751391326And you may ask yourself how does game still have a dozen more different environments and a dozen times (X) as many enemy types as King's Field 4?
>>751391775there is no limit to the larp
>>751391326Letting the slop go by
>>751391831
>>751391775for me it's
>>751391775>he didn’t mention dr.radiaki
>>751386441ngl been playing this game due to queer's domain which I will now never play lmao and all it did was make me very angry at the current state of fromsoftware level designwhat an absolute fall from grace
>>751391974Fake News
>>751392027huh?
>>751391974same but i'm playing the first game thoughbeit
>>751391819>It's good because it's big!
>>751392639It's good because it's bigger, more complicated with more and more complicated enemies to encounter, yes.
>>751392228You can never play an old game, it's lost technology. You must buy remakes and fotm spiritual successors ONLY
>>751392769>It's good because it's biggerI'm not buying your game, Todd
>>751392537i already downloaded the other 3 gamesthe plan was to just play 4 for a little bit to get a taste of what queen's domain is trying to copy but the game is so good I just went ahead and finished itnow i'm gonna go back to play the other games and forget about queer's domain lolpeople online say the other games have better level design but fucking hell this game is already better than all the new fromsoft games
Explain in 5 paragraphs minimum why ER dungeons and exploration are worse than Dark Souls and before. Name at least 3 examples of good and bad aspects each.
>>751392840Todd's game is bigger than KF 4 but with a fraction of the enemy variety and without any actual level design because it's a sandbox. Elden Ring is bigger than KF4 but with ten times the enemy variety and the same style level design as KF 4 applied across the entire map. I hate you stupid millennial larpers so much it's unreal. Play an actual video game instead of regurgitating e-celeb hot takes
>>751392934troons domain is nothing like kf anyway so your not missing out on much by not playing it>i already downloaded the other 3 gamesemulation or recomps?
>>751392973Well ER dungeons lack verticality. No wait. They don't have branching interconnected passages. Damn that's not true either. They lack interesting traps and gimmicks. Oh no, they do have that. Oh I know they reuse tilesets some of the time even though there are overall more tilesets than ever before. Yeah we'll go with that one.
Finished KF1 and 2 recently; complete dogshit games. I have no understanding why someone would actually like them. The combat is interesting the first mob and then you figure you got 15 more hours of doing that same thing over it's done.These games have nothing going on for them today than the jankiness and 'le From Software xD' factorWill probably torture myself later to play KF3.
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>>751393169I just started playing it and other than not dying instantly for falling of a cliff, it seems very similar to KF 4's opening. The lack of instant death is actually kind of weird because otherwise the game will happily murder you.
>>751393169emui had no problems playing 4 on the emulator, i just changed the key assignment
>queen's domain posers think they're king's field fanshilarious
>>751392934>Fighting spastic anime boss who is 10 times faster than you =^l>Fighting spastic anime boss who is 10 times faster than you old game =^O
>>751392934Hate this dodging motherfucker. He costed me like 7 herbal liquids to beat. At least the soundtrack to his place is cool.
>>751393462this but also i'm not spamming iframe slop
>>751393462>Satan in person with empty eyes and a grin>Anime boss
>>751393041Let me know when you're done moving the goalposts, lil bro
>>751393852If having to apply a defensive mechanic annoys you so much don't use it. You know you can Unga bunga all these games too right?
>>751393978When you stop making shitty comparisons than don't actually work, I'll stop shitting on your arguments
>>751393920It's the current year, the modern 4chan userbase has never even been in the same room as anime.
>>751394013iframes taint the purity of a good combat, there's nothing more retarded than phasing through an attack instead of moving out of the way
>>751394160DS2 addressed this with ADP but everyone hated it lol lmao even. Still my favourite souls game combat because of how strong early on you can become if you ignore that garbage stat.
>>751394160>iframes taint the purity of a good combat,Can you explain why? This is a meme, nobody thought there was an issue until Dark Souls became popular. Like anything if it's overturned it CAN be a problem, see games like Nier Automata where you can infinitely chain the dodge button. But that isn't has never been an issue for any Fromsoft game.
>>751394061I'm mocking you, not arguing, no need to get tilted about it
>>751395248>nobody thought there was an issue until Dark Souls became popularYeah because everybody played dark souls with a shield when it released. Parrying was the more interesting mechanic people used and rolling only became a prominent thing for speed running combined with naked runs. DS2 was the same, everybody played with a shield. DS3 was when it became obnoxious and the flaw or iframe abuse became apparent because the bosses were designed for it. Then elden ring came with peak rollslop fatigue.
>>751393920>>751394083The term anime boss refers to how bosses act not how they look. For example, Knight Artorias is an anime boss because he is a chuuni doing cartwheels mid air to slam his sword on you, he in fact looks like a grizzled man in realistic suit of armor
>>751395583Elden Ring has infinitely better shields and like 10 parrying mechanics than Dark Souls
>>751395628I would add to this Elden Ring also has attacks you can't I-frame through without the highest adaptability roll. The landslide attack Rykard uses immediately comes to mind
>>751386441Bloodborne genuinely hated everything about that game other than the setting/atmosphere
>>751395881super agree.
>soulslop>rollslop>iframeslop>parryslop>sloppification
>>751395628Sure then you have garbage like blocking heals the enemy.
>>751396095Nu-fromslop is garbage lol
>>751388819The Ringed City is trash, It merely looks good from one point for screenshots.
>>751390065It has some cools points, but you're just hopping around on a goat, fast travelling everywhere and following a map.
>>751387398probably, but youd still want to play on an emulator so you can play at a faster speed.
>>751396095it's even worse, there are also the checkpoint statues in front of the boss fights which ruin the whole "punishing game" aspect
>>751392973How about I say this: you know how half the content is filler [forgettable name] Catacombs/Tunnel/Cave that are all practically identical visually? You have to ride a horse between them in the open world, open worlds like that are boring.
>>751386441Armored Core 4 when that shit was super dogshit playing the series up to that point.
